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<v Speaker 1>This is, is off track.</v>

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Oh, I'm sorry, Tim, did you have a busy week?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, actually ,</v>
<v Speaker 1>Why don't you explain</v>

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to the listeners, Tim, why your week was so

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<v Speaker 2>Hard.</v>

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Oh. 'cause I had to work for a day.

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I pulled in all day, or I didn't even take a nap yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, dude. That's, uh, one</v>

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of the more relatable things you've said on this show. Do

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<v Speaker 3>You think, do you think it was hard</v>

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because your brain's compressed from that stupid

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<v Speaker 1>Hat?</v>

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Yeah. Why are you still wearing that thing? Like, I thought,

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<v Speaker 3>Why are you still wearing that?</v>

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I thought that was just a guy

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<v Speaker 2>Because I was having another, I was</v>

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having another bad hair day.

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<v Speaker 3>You,</v>
<v Speaker 1>I didn't think you had bad hair days.</v>

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That always looks the same, Tim. That looks, you

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<v Speaker 3>Haven't taken it for like a week.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>I, this morning.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Take your hat off right now.</v>

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That's how you look. Going to like a

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wedding
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There's no difference. Well, you know, to say you,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting a bad</v>
<v Speaker 2>Hair day.</v>

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I'm getting a lot of comments about my hair lately

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and I'm, I'm getting sensitive about it.

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Well, I'm, who's busy today?

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<v Speaker 1>Who's making comments about your hair? People online?</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Or</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Your girl.</v>

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Oh, girlfriend. Do we listen to to them now?

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Is that what we're doing? And

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<v Speaker 2>Her as well.</v>

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And her. Yeah. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. Here I was thinking you were falling into the trap</v>

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of listening to Haters online, but it's really just

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<v Speaker 2>Girlfriend.</v>

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She did find that pretty funny. That's what I thought.

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No, she likes the longer hair.

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She just prefers that I, you know,

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do more and just wake up with it.

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Yeah. Um,

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<v Speaker 3>It's very, it's very LA</v>

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director producer of you though, to wear it. You look like

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<v Speaker 1>You should be.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>You're always wearing a hat.</v>

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James, you're wearing a hat right now. Did Vic? That

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<v Speaker 1>Is</v>
<v Speaker 2>My head. This is a big</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Hat.</v>

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Doesn't No, that's a very LA yes. Producer, director of you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's, it's a big hat, but you have an enormous head.</v>

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And like, this is like this, this hat has some structure.

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That's one of those completely unstructured hats

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and that's very popular in

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<v Speaker 2>The film world.</v>

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A hat that I need to shop for. The options are limited. I

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<v Speaker 1>I Nobody's criticizing your hat selection.</v>

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We're just saying I'm, it feels like

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<v Speaker 2>You're criticizing my hat.</v>

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Alex is very, he's being very open about criticizing my hat

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<v Speaker 1>Selection.</v>

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No, no, no, no. It's, it's just comments observing that

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that is also a style of hat that is common on criticism.

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<v Speaker 2>Lemme go ahead and ask. Hey Alex,</v>

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were you just observing Alex?

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<v Speaker 1>Nope. Alex,</v>
<v Speaker 2>I sure wasn't .</v>

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<v Speaker 3>No, no. Like I'm observing to criticize.</v>

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So you are both right. .

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<v Speaker 1>I, I support his statement in its observational capacity.</v>

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I do not support it in its critical capacity. You do? Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah,</v>
<v Speaker 1>You do. No, I mean, it</v>

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looks terrible. That's not what I'm

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saying.
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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I'm</v>
<v Speaker 2>Gonna need you both to examine your hair lines</v>

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before you criticize anything going on up here.

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All Alex to me Looking pretty good. Yeah.

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you mean you mean

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that I've actually found out I have a pretty

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weird hairline too.

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It's just, it's hidden it really

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<v Speaker 1>Long hair, it very angular.</v>

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You gotta bring angular hairline.

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<v Speaker 2>It's weird. Like it has the ridges. I don't like it.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's,</v>
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, ridges. That's why Zoe</v>

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de Chanel with the bangs.

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That's not all I have in common with Zoe De Chanel most

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of my life is modeled after her. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>Let's stop, let's stop there.</v>

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I feel like that's not great for any

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of us to learn about who's girl. It's

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Tim
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<v Speaker 1>To be fair, that show is ridiculously funny and that</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Entire cast love that show.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Excellent. It's a great show.</v>

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Um, yeah, so, so Tim had to work really hard this week

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and I'm glad that you did.

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'cause it worked out well for everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was a, that was a new one for us actually.</v>

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Breaking news. I mean, we didn't really

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<v Speaker 1>Break it considering it was announced like several hours</v>

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before our, our stuff came out.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, part of it was first interview,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Right? Like the Colton</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Stuff interview broke an hour before our episode released.</v>

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The Will stuff broke Right. As our episode released.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, it was the first, it was the first interview I saw</v>

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with, uh, either guy.

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So I feel like we get some credit there. Yeah.

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And after, after the second only interview

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with Mark Miles post the Fox announcement of buying IndyCar,

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that's like two kind of scoopy things that we've done.

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We're getting pretty scoopy on off track. But

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<v Speaker 2>Can I talk about like, what made me really realize the</v>

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difference between like us and actual journalists?

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So James, you

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and I talked about this over the weekend in Nashville

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and we're like, okay, you know, we're gonna do this

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and here's the timeline.

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Here's what stuff's gonna come out.

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I don't text Alex on race weekends,

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so he was filled in after,

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<v Speaker 1>Um, unless it's Can I go drink on your bus?</v>

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<v Speaker 2>No, I text Kelly for that now.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Fair</v>
<v Speaker 2>. Anyway, uh, right</v>

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after you tell me this, everybody stresses like exactly

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how secret all of this has to be.

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How like, nobody can know that we're gonna be doing this

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or any of the news that's coming out.

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And probably within 30 seconds of that,

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I got a text from Nathan Brown saying like, can't wait

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to listen to Off Track this week here.

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It's going to be important. It was just like, oh.

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So that's how like a real journalist gets

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information that quickly.

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Like I would never be able to do that.

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Like any illusion that I had that I was Woodward

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and Bernstein went away when it was like, oh no, no,

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James just told me what I was doing for work that week.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, in turn, instead of like you having to go out</v>

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and find a story you mean? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Got it, got it, got it, got it. Yeah.</v>

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No, we're not real journalists.

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I want that to be very clear.

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Um, but I, uh,

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but like there we have some semblance of like a real

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news outlet now .

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'cause we had two kind of stories,

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which is pretty neat guys.

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Okay. So yeah, let me do, we wanna talk about like,

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as we did the interviews, but you

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and I haven't got to like discuss Yeah.

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The topic of the week. Yeah.

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So should we talk about Coleman probably stepping away from

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IndyCar Yeah.

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To be the Cadillac development and test driver

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and willpower stepping likely meaning he's gonna do F two

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unconfirmed, but kind of, uh,

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and then willpower stepping into the Android machine.

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So, I mean, let's start at Colton. Holy man.

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Like that's, I know we said it on the show like we said it

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to him, but like the balls that it takes to make that move,

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it's hard to, it's hard to overstate

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what a ballsy move that is.

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<v Speaker 3>You're right. Um,</v>

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but at the same time, I think when you're faced

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with that decision

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and the ballsy move is the only opportunity you have

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to potentially fulfill a dream

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that you've had since you were a kid, it's also

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a no brainer, right?

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Like, I, I feel like the majority

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of people in his shoes would do that.

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Not saying that it's an easy decision,

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but I completely understand why he's doing it

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and I don't second guess it whatsoever.

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Like, so it, it makes sense to me regardless

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of the inherent risk that goes along with it.

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It makes sense, does it? Not to you

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<v Speaker 1>On paper from 30,000 feet.</v>

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Okay. But when you are leaving the IndyCar race

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that you just won

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and you're on your charter jet back

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to your mansion in Las Vegas

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and you're gonna golf, you know, two days that week

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and you're like, oh, I, I've gotta pretty much give up all

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of that to maybe make this dream come true.

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I'm not saying that you wouldn't do it,

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but it's like, it's, it's so easy for us

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to sit here and be like, yeah, it makes sense.

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But like, dude, people get comfortable, but,

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<v Speaker 3>But you're not giving it up forever.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>But you don't know that there's no</v>

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guarantees in this business, man.

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There's no guarantees in this business.

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You know, like Will power could be winning championships

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till he is 50 or like I was gonna

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<v Speaker 3>Say, it's not like anybody good is taking</v>

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<v Speaker 1>His seat. He doesn't need to</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Worry about .</v>

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Let me, I mean, let's, let's stop, let's stop

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that conversation for a second

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because I think this is a very different situation to a,

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let's use the Sebastian Bordea example. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you said that.</v>
<v Speaker 3>Dom dominates in Jam car</v>

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wins four titles.

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Is it Newman Ha is in the, the best equipment and

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and the best situation that he can have there leaves a,

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a championship winning organization

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and goes to an Italian kind of B team at the time

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in, in Toso,

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<v Speaker 1>But at the level he wants</v>

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to be at right? In formula. But at

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<v Speaker 3>The level, at the level he wants to be at</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Much easier call.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>No, and here's where</v>
<v Speaker 1>Guarantees,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.</v>

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No, but here's where I disagree with you

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because ultimately Colton has in,

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in some ways he has his cake and he's eating it too.

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He is leaving the team that he is employed by

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to go work for the team that he is still employed by.

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Yes, sure. Who is still gonna have a team that

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exists under his current employer in the

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foreseeable couple of years.

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If this all went terribly wrong,

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and don't tell me that Dan would be like, oh,

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this whole thing was a disaster.

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Sorry kid, you're out. I I like my three guys now.

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Thanks for playing. I don't believe that would happen.

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Whereas Bordea said, thank you Carl Haas, I'm outta here.

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I'm gonna go do my own thing

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with this whole new group of people.

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If it works out, I've achieved my dream, great.

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If it doesn't work out, I'm gonna have to now renegotiate

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and find myself in a different landscape.

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Potentially. Maybe Newman host still exists

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and maybe Newman host will have him back,

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but he's leaving the same employer.

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He's under the same employer.

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He is just going to a different department of that employer.

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Right. So I don't agree

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that while you say there's no guarantees,

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I think in some respects this has a safety net in

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<v Speaker 1>It.</v>

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So the, I I completely understand what you're saying

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and that is completely logical and

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that is the more likely scenario.

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If for some reason things over in Europe don't work out,

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the likely results would be colding,

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a backend Indy car with Andre.

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Right. That is highly likely, but it's not a guarantee.

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And like the, the analogy I would give is waking

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<v Speaker 3>Up tomorrow isn't a guarantee.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. Absolutely. Great point.</v>

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But like in a, I actually think he meant that as a threat.

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, uh, the, the analogy

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that kind of, kind of comes to mind right?

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Is let's say, okay,

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so when I decided to stop racing,

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any cars full time happened to coincide with

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a time where the TV broadcaster had an opening in the booth

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that they were trying to fill.

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And I had showed an interest in that, whatever.

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Okay, Tim, it is

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infuriating that you're a part

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of this show sometimes for viewers at home.

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He just left and came back wearing a cowboy hat

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for an inexplicable reason.

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Oh, I'm sorry. Criticizing.

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Oh, I'm just against another hat. See, it's just No, just

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all your choice of hats though.

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The only hats that we dislike anyway,

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had I decided, oh, you know

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what I'm gonna, I'm gonna do one more year.

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Jesus Christ . What?

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<v Speaker 3>This is</v>
<v Speaker 1>Not good enough for you. Why is this?</v>

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Why do you even know that's the best one?

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That's the best one you've got. Why do you even have that?

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It's Hazel's that explains why it doesn't quite fit weird.

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<v Speaker 3>It's weird that it fits your well. I disagree. It</v>

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<v Speaker 1>It sure doesn't .</v>

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No, it's, that's very real hair hanging out the side. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, got it. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. James a time where it</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Coincided.</v>

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No, no, I'm, I'm gonna let him change two

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or three more hats before I continue.

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There's one more, but it's

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<v Speaker 3>Upstairs so I'm probably gonna</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Unrelated.</v>

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I'll be right back. Yeah, that's what I thought.

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So if I had decided to, like, you know

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what I'm gonna do one more year,

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but these guys have said they want me in the booth,

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but just one more year and they'll fill it with somebody

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and then I'll stop at the end of the next year

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and then I'll go in the booth

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and whoever they put in for

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that year ends up being like really good at the job.

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They all of a sudden, like, eh, I don't know man.

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Like you pass up an opportunity and,

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and he's here now and he's pretty good.

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So,

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<v Speaker 3>But James Sure.</v>

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Um, fortunately for Colton, uh, Andretti Global,

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which is um, has lots

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<v Speaker 1>Of booths.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>no, it's Yes. Is owned by his current employer,</v>

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um, has plenty of booths.

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Yeah. Uh, so just because his his booth number is gone,

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it doesn't mean that there's not Booth 27

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and Booth 28 that exists. Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>So, yes. Okay. That's fair. Um, again, I agree with you.</v>

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I do think it's solid point, an awesome move.

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Yeah, good point. Um, but yes, it is.

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You just have to accept that there are no where,

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<v Speaker 3>Where I think where I think the risk comes into play</v>

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and where I agree with the, the balls that it takes

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is we all know in this sport you are, you're

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as good as your last race.

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I mean, and, and that's just the, the fact of the matter.

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So his stock value from a global perspective

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could potentially drop if, if the formula right?

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Let's say he's racing in F two.

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Again, that hasn't been confirmed,

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but we're just assuming that could be,

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for me, that's the bigger risk.

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I fully think that if he finished 20th in F two next year,

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which he is not gonna do, he was still come back to IndyCar

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and race Indy cars and go win races

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and everything that would hurt his stock value.

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That would hurt IndyCar's stock value.

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And he would be left with this.

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Like, I mean, that's a, that would be a tougher pill

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to swallow than had he never stepped out of his comfort zone

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and never done anything else

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and just was seen as one

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of the elite IndyCar drivers of this generation.

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So his, his reputation is at risk per in,

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in that regard.

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I don't think his career

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as a race car driver is in jeopardy

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by doing this decision. Is, I guess is,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's my final point.</v>

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I think it's great. I think it's great.

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And I think you brought up another really good point

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that we did not ask him about

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and did not make sure we pointed out to add just

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a fairly significant amount

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of pressure to the whole situation.

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Uh, yeah. IndyCar's reputation is on the line here.

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Every driver that's on the current grid

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who has lost races to Colin Herda is like, bro,

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don't, you don't &lt;inaudible&gt;

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don't &lt;inaudible&gt; this up for me.

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Don't ruin this for us.

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So that's actually kind of cool

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'cause all these people that he used to race against are now

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gonna be cheering him on so hard.

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Like the amount

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of support he is gonna get from the IndyCar paddock is more

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than he ever got when he was driving an IndyCar paddock.

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<v Speaker 3>No. Yes.</v>

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Like everyone is gonna be like, bitch,

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you better not miss an

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Apex
<v Speaker 1>.</v>

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But here's, here's where I feel you better see the good

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<v Speaker 3>About it outta those tires, pal. Yeah.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Here's where I feel good about it is</v>

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he's been in an F1 car

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and we have heard the reports from

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that very positive hello has been in an F1 car.

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I saw that with my own eyes, very positive.

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Patto has been in an F1 car. I've seen him do that.

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Very positive. Colton is he races these guys like this is

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the same, these are the same level of driver.

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So the, the, the weird thing about F two is that,

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you know, certain drivers have kind of bad seasons in F two

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and it makes them look really bad.

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But like look, I like, I made the joke,

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I think at some point probably on the show, it's like,

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it was pretty fortuitous that Ollie Bearman

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and Kimmy Antonelli had F1 deals kind of lined up

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before their last season of F two

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because neither one of them really killed it.

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You know, they had a couple good races,

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but not like, oh my God,

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the whole F1 grid's gonna be rushing to sign this guy.

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Uh, you know, they didn't finish top

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five in the championship.

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I don't think. I kind of forget,

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but they certainly weren't running up

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there at the beginning.

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'cause teams are different and not all of them are great.

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So even if he doesn't do well in F two,

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and I say that in a relative sense,

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let's say he finishes fourth in the

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championship in F two, right.

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Wins a couple races, but three other guys beat him handily.

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The the judgment call is gonna have to be made on

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how his performance is in fp ones in the F1 simulator in TPC

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testing because F two is just not always the most

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accurate barometer.

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<v Speaker 3>And, and, and the reason for that is it's very,</v>

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it's very hard.

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It's not very hard from a standpoint

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of the cars aren't complicated.

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Um, the cars are actually pretty straightforward

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and cold is way, way too qualified.

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Yeah. From a technical standpoint and understand

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<v Speaker 1>Probably less, probably less complicated than Indy car.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah. Yes. Um,</v>

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but the people that

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usually are good enough to have been doing it for a couple

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of years mm-hmm .

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And so yes, you obviously have these rookies

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that are outliers that adapt very quickly

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and they're in a very good situation.

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And it just so happens that that year's car

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and tire just blends

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with their driving style and all this sort of thing.

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But ultimately there's guys that the latter system to F1

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is very similar to that of IndyCar.

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Like, you don't go to Indy next regardless of your pedigree.

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And immediately as rookie, just you're,

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you're not guaranteed to dominate.

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It doesn't matter what you did in previous categories.

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Obviously Kyle Kirkwood is an,

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but Colton wasn't, paddle wasn't, um,

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Christian Rasmussen wasn't like it.

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It takes a little bit of acclimation.

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And when you're going up against guys

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who might be in their second or third year

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and have seen these tracks before in these scenarios

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and the tires and this specific race craft that you have

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to have to make the tires last for the whole distance,

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considering there's only one pit stop and,

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and this sort of thing.

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That's where I think it's gonna be really hard.

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But ultimately, as we said on Tuesday, you're putting one

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of the best guys in who is up to the, up to the task

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because he's not someone who is stuck in his ways.

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Like he's very adaptable.

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Um, you know, I was concerned for him when I first knew

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that he was going from the B-M-W-G-T-L-M car

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to the Acura GTP car, which is a, a very, very

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difficult car to drive from a technique standpoint

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and a complete departure from an Indy car.

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I would say the GTP actor's pretty close to

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how you would drive an F two car or even an F1 car.

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And he immediately was like, bam.

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Ricky Taylor, who was his teammate,

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was like instantly on the pace he actually finished

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the race for the team.

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I think it was in, um, one of the endurance races.

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I don't, I don't wanna quote which one.

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And if you're finishing the race,

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it means you are the quickest driver throughout

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that entire kind of day slash weekend.

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So I think he is, he is the best guy in IndyCar,

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aside from maybe a Alex Pallo, um, suited to adapt

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to this sort of thing and,

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and change his driving style on, on the fly.

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Like he's gonna have to. So it's gonna be, I'm just, as much

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as I'm excited for 2026 for IndyCar, I'm excited

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for 2026 just to watch that.

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We need to figure out how, how are we gonna stream that.

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<v Speaker 1>I, I'm also like, I'm kind of, I'm kind of annoyed</v>

471
00:19:44.555 --> 00:19:46.195
that it got announced so early

472
00:19:46.435 --> 00:19:47.635
'cause now we've gotta like wait,

473
00:19:47.785 --> 00:19:49.635
like it would've been better to not really know

474
00:19:49.645 --> 00:19:51.795
until November and then he only had to wait a couple months.

475
00:19:51.865 --> 00:19:53.675
Like, we gotta wait a while now for him to,

476
00:19:54.695 --> 00:19:56.475
to get making some some moves if he's

477
00:19:56.475 --> 00:19:58.455
<v Speaker 3>Doing it,</v>
<v Speaker 1>If he's doing it.</v>

478
00:20:02.795 --> 00:20:04.455
And then, all right, let's move on to the other side.

479
00:20:04.645 --> 00:20:08.775
Will power coming in to Andretti that I don't think,

480
00:20:09.035 --> 00:20:10.815
was it, it was so interesting

481
00:20:10.815 --> 00:20:13.335
because like nobody thought there was an opening at Andretti

482
00:20:13.825 --> 00:20:18.335
until one of these rumors of, of Colin going to f two star,

483
00:20:18.335 --> 00:20:20.575
like Milwaukee, somebody,

484
00:20:20.655 --> 00:20:22.735
I think Marshall Pruitt said it on his podcast

485
00:20:23.035 --> 00:20:25.055
or something like that was the first time it had

486
00:20:25.055 --> 00:20:26.495
kind of been circulated. Really?

487
00:20:26.875 --> 00:20:30.615
<v Speaker 3>No, I mean it was July publicly mid July. But yeah.</v>

488
00:20:30.915 --> 00:20:33.055
<v Speaker 1>And so as the, as the Will news kind of gets more</v>

489
00:20:33.055 --> 00:20:36.505
and more, hey don't look like he's going back to Penske.

490
00:20:37.165 --> 00:20:39.785
It was, oh, he's going to raha.

491
00:20:40.085 --> 00:20:42.945
Oh they're gonna straight swap Ma Lucas for power

492
00:20:42.965 --> 00:20:44.385
and he's gonna go to the four car.

493
00:20:44.655 --> 00:20:46.425
Like, there was all these scenarios being played out.

494
00:20:46.505 --> 00:20:48.205
I heard, I heard somebody say that

495
00:20:50.025 --> 00:20:53.175
Nessi was going run a fourth car for him at one point.

496
00:20:53.365 --> 00:20:55.095
Like all these crazy, you

497
00:20:55.145 --> 00:20:56.615
<v Speaker 3>Knows PLO was going F1.</v>

498
00:20:57.365 --> 00:20:59.095
<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, true. P was going F1 at one point</v>

499
00:20:59.155 --> 00:21:00.735
and like I feel like Andretti was just the bottom

500
00:21:00.755 --> 00:21:02.615
of the bottom of most people's Bingo cards.

501
00:21:02.635 --> 00:21:05.855
And then all of a sudden this happens and, and there we go.

502
00:21:06.075 --> 00:21:09.775
So how do you think, sorry,

503
00:21:09.775 --> 00:21:10.815
Tim, did you have something there?

504
00:21:11.425 --> 00:21:13.655
<v Speaker 2>Sorry. I was just gonna say, it's also interesting</v>

505
00:21:13.765 --> 00:21:16.655
that uh, you know, I think we, we commented on it,

506
00:21:16.655 --> 00:21:18.095
everybody else commented on it about

507
00:21:18.095 --> 00:21:19.895
how it was in his contract that he couldn't talk

508
00:21:19.895 --> 00:21:23.535
to other teams until, what was it, the first of this month.

509
00:21:23.755 --> 00:21:27.655
And that ended up, you know, we, we learned yesterday

510
00:21:27.655 --> 00:21:28.975
that Roger let him do

511
00:21:28.975 --> 00:21:29.975
<v Speaker 1>That.</v>

512
00:21:29.975 --> 00:21:30.935
Yeah, no, it was, I think it was even before that.

513
00:21:31.095 --> 00:21:33.775
I think, actually, I think didn't Dan say that

514
00:21:34.315 --> 00:21:35.455
or will say one of them say

515
00:21:35.455 --> 00:21:36.735
that Road America Roger gave him after?

516
00:21:36.735 --> 00:21:38.975
Yeah, it was like after Detroit. So like Road America time.

517
00:21:39.435 --> 00:21:41.655
Um, yeah, he was allowed to start talking teams. Yeah.

518
00:21:41.835 --> 00:21:42.855
And I'm sure he spoke to you.

519
00:21:42.895 --> 00:21:44.135
'cause like I said, on Tuesday,

520
00:21:44.345 --> 00:21:46.935
every team in the paddock would've picked up the phone

521
00:21:46.955 --> 00:21:49.135
and been like, Hey man, what's, what's going on?

522
00:21:49.275 --> 00:21:53.785
But dude, how about the fact that at the end

523
00:21:53.785 --> 00:21:57.115
of the day they did offer him a

524
00:21:57.115 --> 00:21:59.375
deal and he turned it down.

525
00:22:00.965 --> 00:22:04.875
How about that? How about 17 years of the team, all

526
00:22:04.875 --> 00:22:07.275
that success, the start of the year saying,

527
00:22:07.275 --> 00:22:08.355
yeah, no, I want to be here.

528
00:22:08.775 --> 00:22:10.795
But by the end of the year it was like, you know what?

529
00:22:10.915 --> 00:22:12.515
I don't know if this is the right spot for me anymore.

530
00:22:12.535 --> 00:22:13.675
And he actually turned out.

531
00:22:13.775 --> 00:22:18.075
So like that means Penske was really still trying

532
00:22:18.075 --> 00:22:20.315
to figure out what they were gonna do if willed said yes.

533
00:22:21.745 --> 00:22:26.585
Is is Lucas just back at Fot for another season now

534
00:22:26.585 --> 00:22:28.785
that they've said now that they're like, oh no,

535
00:22:28.785 --> 00:22:31.425
we do want Will, but then Will said no.

536
00:22:32.315 --> 00:22:35.475
Now are they like willingly taking the guy

537
00:22:35.475 --> 00:22:37.595
that they had kind of already decided wasn't ready,

538
00:22:37.655 --> 00:22:39.155
or at least wasn't better than Will.

539
00:22:39.155 --> 00:22:41.355
Like this is a interesting situation is,

540
00:22:41.775 --> 00:22:46.215
<v Speaker 3>Is Reus vk in in,</v>
<v Speaker 1>Oh my God, yes.</v>

541
00:22:46.215 --> 00:22:48.335
In the game here announced today

542
00:22:48.335 --> 00:22:50.975
that Rena's VK is not returning to Del Coy racing.

543
00:22:51.835 --> 00:22:54.895
So that's an

544
00:22:55.095 --> 00:22:56.935
interesting development.

545
00:22:57.695 --> 00:22:59.735
I think a lot of people assumed that was happening.

546
00:22:59.735 --> 00:23:02.175
That had been such a successful pairing.

547
00:23:02.475 --> 00:23:04.815
And yes, Reinas had said, we, I was talking to their teams

548
00:23:04.875 --> 00:23:06.415
and whatever, but like you do the math on

549
00:23:06.415 --> 00:23:07.415
what seats are available

550
00:23:08.115 --> 00:23:09.935
and there wasn't really a lot of options.

551
00:23:10.125 --> 00:23:11.855
Certainly not options that were running better

552
00:23:11.875 --> 00:23:12.975
in points than he was.

553
00:23:13.915 --> 00:23:15.055
But he always said he is like, yeah,

554
00:23:15.055 --> 00:23:16.655
willpower's kinda the big domino here.

555
00:23:17.475 --> 00:23:19.095
And we thought that was

556
00:23:19.095 --> 00:23:20.375
because, oh, maybe that opens us up the

557
00:23:20.405 --> 00:23:21.455
Foyt car or whatever.

558
00:23:21.595 --> 00:23:26.055
But man, uni dubenski question mark.

559
00:23:28.975 --> 00:23:30.295
<v Speaker 3>I mean, potentially.</v>

560
00:23:30.615 --> 00:23:34.275
'cause here's, here's, um, well,

561
00:23:35.685 --> 00:23:40.105
is it true that Reus has more podiums in 2025 than Lucas

562
00:23:42.015 --> 00:23:43.015
<v Speaker 1>Reus?</v>

563
00:23:43.515 --> 00:23:45.485
Doest have a podium this year. Does he?

564
00:23:45.485 --> 00:23:49.285
<v Speaker 3>Toronto?</v>
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, of course. No, Lucas was podium.</v>

565
00:23:49.915 --> 00:23:53.245
Well he was, he ended up net second at the 500. Right,

566
00:23:53.395 --> 00:23:54.395
<v Speaker 3>Okay.</v>

567
00:23:54.395 --> 00:23:55.965
So same. Okay. I just,

568
00:23:56.145 --> 00:23:57.405
<v Speaker 1>He, he also, I mean, and,</v>

569
00:23:57.425 --> 00:23:59.965
and Lucas's defense, he got boned out of a couple,

570
00:23:59.965 --> 00:24:01.565
like not guaranteed podiums,

571
00:24:01.565 --> 00:24:05.245
but races he was running right up front in Iowa.

572
00:24:05.545 --> 00:24:06.805
In Milwaukee?

573
00:24:07.305 --> 00:24:10.765
In Nashville, no,

574
00:24:10.765 --> 00:24:12.565
not Nashville, but Iowa and Milwaukee.

575
00:24:12.625 --> 00:24:13.925
He had two where he got, was running

576
00:24:13.925 --> 00:24:15.205
up front and got totally bumped. But

577
00:24:15.205 --> 00:24:16.205
<v Speaker 3>Anyway.</v>

578
00:24:16.205 --> 00:24:18.565
Okay. Well, regardless, I I, um,

579
00:24:20.235 --> 00:24:21.365
<v Speaker 1>It's always more top tens.</v>

580
00:24:22.795 --> 00:24:24.325
<v Speaker 3>It's, it's always been an interesting,</v>

581
00:24:24.425 --> 00:24:25.965
an interesting thing for me, right?

582
00:24:25.965 --> 00:24:28.005
Because we all, we all can see

583
00:24:29.185 --> 00:24:33.965
and know, um, that David is, is is probably the future

584
00:24:34.105 --> 00:24:35.645
of, of some organization,

585
00:24:35.705 --> 00:24:40.525
but very, very similar to college quarterbacks, right?

586
00:24:40.755 --> 00:24:43.325
Like, that doesn't mean that when they get in the NFL,

587
00:24:43.395 --> 00:24:47.915
they're immediately at the level of whatever organization

588
00:24:48.025 --> 00:24:49.035
that they're playing for.

589
00:24:49.995 --> 00:24:54.955
I still don't know yet if David is at the Team Penske level.

590
00:24:55.195 --> 00:24:56.915
I mean, maybe he is and,

591
00:24:56.915 --> 00:25:01.515
and maybe that that's just me as competitor talking, um,

592
00:25:01.515 --> 00:25:03.395
without having all of the information that

593
00:25:03.395 --> 00:25:06.915
that clearly they do considering they're the, the kind

594
00:25:06.915 --> 00:25:08.195
of force behind the four car.

595
00:25:08.415 --> 00:25:10.675
Um, but you know, we, we talked about it a lot.

596
00:25:10.695 --> 00:25:13.955
It was always a weird, that was always a weird move, um,

597
00:25:14.385 --> 00:25:15.875
that was happening

598
00:25:15.875 --> 00:25:17.875
that Will was finding himself in that position.

599
00:25:17.975 --> 00:25:20.755
But again, to your point, I think we touched on it

600
00:25:20.755 --> 00:25:23.515
after Portland, you know, when Will made

601
00:25:23.515 --> 00:25:25.955
that comment saying, who says it isn't up to me?

602
00:25:26.295 --> 00:25:30.835
And I think that so much had happened over the past,

603
00:25:31.025 --> 00:25:35.795
over the summer where will felt that he wasn't being valued

604
00:25:35.895 --> 00:25:37.635
and he wasn't being cherished.

605
00:25:37.735 --> 00:25:40.155
And, and after all of the, the time

606
00:25:40.175 --> 00:25:42.915
and commitment that he had put into the organization,

607
00:25:43.055 --> 00:25:44.555
he felt that, you know, he,

608
00:25:45.205 --> 00:25:47.595
especially being the highest running Penske driver

609
00:25:47.845 --> 00:25:49.355
throughout the entire season,

610
00:25:49.905 --> 00:25:52.355
shouldn't have been put in a position to be waiting

611
00:25:52.455 --> 00:25:53.955
for a contract sort of thing.

612
00:25:53.975 --> 00:25:56.275
And I think that that really weighed heavily on him.

613
00:25:56.935 --> 00:25:59.835
Um, so I wouldn't be surprised if, if ultimately

614
00:25:59.835 --> 00:26:02.995
that was the catalyst for, for his decision post Nashville.

615
00:26:03.135 --> 00:26:05.635
<v Speaker 1>What's, what's, what's important for, like,</v>

616
00:26:05.635 --> 00:26:07.315
what's important for me, for myself

617
00:26:07.315 --> 00:26:10.075
to get out there is I I do feel like we've spoken a lot

618
00:26:10.075 --> 00:26:11.395
about the Power Lucas thing

619
00:26:12.015 --> 00:26:13.875
for the last several months, right?

620
00:26:14.535 --> 00:26:16.955
And it was always like a what,

621
00:26:16.955 --> 00:26:18.275
like why is this a conversation?

622
00:26:18.275 --> 00:26:20.675
What's happening here? And I wanna be very clear that like,

623
00:26:20.935 --> 00:26:24.315
it, it, that is not an indication of, of the ability

624
00:26:24.375 --> 00:26:26.755
or the talent or the potential I think that Lucas has right?

625
00:26:26.755 --> 00:26:28.635
And correct. And we've both said this,

626
00:26:28.655 --> 00:26:30.635
but I just wanna be very clear about that.

627
00:26:30.865 --> 00:26:34.315
This is in no way trying to put David down or,

628
00:26:34.455 --> 00:26:37.715
or undermine his success and his potential at all.

629
00:26:38.585 --> 00:26:40.555
It's just that we were talking about willpower here,

630
00:26:40.775 --> 00:26:43.565
who is right on a different level from a

631
00:26:43.565 --> 00:26:44.565
<v Speaker 3>Lot of that.</v>

632
00:26:44.565 --> 00:26:45.365
I don't think a single driver in the paddock,

633
00:26:45.385 --> 00:26:49.165
myself included, is in a place to be replacing willpower.

634
00:26:49.315 --> 00:26:50.885
Like let's just put that out there.

635
00:26:50.885 --> 00:26:52.125
Exactly. Let's just say that. Perfect.

636
00:26:52.335 --> 00:26:56.115
<v Speaker 1>Thank you. Perfect. So, so now</v>

637
00:26:56.115 --> 00:26:58.635
that willpower is not an option for the 12 car

638
00:27:01.555 --> 00:27:04.695
Penske have an opening and of the available drivers,

639
00:27:05.505 --> 00:27:06.695
where do you rank David?

640
00:27:06.695 --> 00:27:08.735
Because like, he's gonna be at right

641
00:27:08.735 --> 00:27:09.855
at the top of that list, right?

642
00:27:10.135 --> 00:27:12.055
Reus is obviously now a free agent. Mm-hmm .

643
00:27:12.195 --> 00:27:14.655
Um, you know, Foster's locked up,

644
00:27:14.655 --> 00:27:17.215
but even if he wasn't still probably too young

645
00:27:17.235 --> 00:27:19.335
and too inexperienced and not enough, you know,

646
00:27:19.355 --> 00:27:20.535
not proven enough for that ride,

647
00:27:20.955 --> 00:27:23.975
who else is in a contract situation?

648
00:27:24.235 --> 00:27:26.375
You know, the McLaren guys are all buttoned up.

649
00:27:26.815 --> 00:27:28.815
<v Speaker 3>Graham's not. No, I think,</v>
<v Speaker 1>I think, I think</v>

650
00:27:28.815 --> 00:27:31.935
<v Speaker 3>You're, it's purely between Lucas and,</v>

651
00:27:32.155 --> 00:27:35.735
and Reus at this point, which is, so, so Reus was on a,

652
00:27:36.915 --> 00:27:41.455
on a similar trajectory as Lucas minus the

653
00:27:42.305 --> 00:27:47.255
Lucas supported, sorry, the Penske supported entry, right.

654
00:27:47.435 --> 00:27:50.015
You know, reus was, was tipped as kind

655
00:27:50.015 --> 00:27:52.015
of the next hot young shoe.

656
00:27:52.715 --> 00:27:57.115
Um, you know, we all saw that, um,

657
00:27:57.655 --> 00:28:02.355
Penske put a lot of credit in what, in what Joseph did with

658
00:28:02.915 --> 00:28:04.835
SFH, which became ECR.

659
00:28:05.465 --> 00:28:08.275
Obviously Joseph turned out to be one of the best drivers,

660
00:28:08.895 --> 00:28:11.835
um, of, of this generation of IndyCar.

661
00:28:12.955 --> 00:28:14.555
Reus was kind of doing the same path.

662
00:28:14.695 --> 00:28:17.115
He, you know, ECR was was a small team.

663
00:28:17.175 --> 00:28:19.195
He was winning races, he was winning Poles.

664
00:28:19.535 --> 00:28:21.315
He almost won another race in Barber.

665
00:28:22.055 --> 00:28:24.635
Um, he was very fast at Indianapolis,

666
00:28:24.815 --> 00:28:27.595
was consistently the best Chevy, um,

667
00:28:27.705 --> 00:28:29.315
even against Team Penske cars.

668
00:28:29.415 --> 00:28:33.235
And I think for a while he was kind of slated as, you know,

669
00:28:33.595 --> 00:28:38.355
a, a tip or, or a one day a, a future Penske driver just

670
00:28:38.355 --> 00:28:39.835
because of, of his trajectory.

671
00:28:40.655 --> 00:28:41.715
And then, you know,

672
00:28:41.975 --> 00:28:44.035
timing is everything in motorsports, right?

673
00:28:44.815 --> 00:28:45.875
Penske, you know,

674
00:28:46.005 --> 00:28:48.555
ended up getting a pretty stout driver lineup

675
00:28:48.555 --> 00:28:50.835
with McLaughlin coming on and being as good as he was.

676
00:28:51.305 --> 00:28:54.835
Obviously Joseph was winning championships

677
00:28:55.055 --> 00:28:58.435
and five hundreds Will was doing what he's doing.

678
00:28:58.535 --> 00:29:00.155
So there wasn't really, at the time

679
00:29:00.155 --> 00:29:02.035
where Reus was maybe peaking,

680
00:29:02.525 --> 00:29:04.315
there wasn't really a spot for him.

681
00:29:04.855 --> 00:29:06.475
And so Reus, you know, had

682
00:29:06.475 --> 00:29:08.235
to continue down a path that he was on.

683
00:29:08.975 --> 00:29:11.875
And now that there is a seat

684
00:29:12.055 --> 00:29:15.835
and now that Reus had the year that he did in a team that,

685
00:29:15.895 --> 00:29:18.395
you know, is viewed as probably the bottom

686
00:29:18.415 --> 00:29:22.905
of the barrel in IndyCar, why wouldn't Penske be like, Hey,

687
00:29:22.905 --> 00:29:26.765
we were looking at this guy four years ago, we know

688
00:29:26.765 --> 00:29:27.925
what he's done.

689
00:29:28.355 --> 00:29:30.565
What he did this year clearly has shown

690
00:29:30.565 --> 00:29:32.285
that he hasn't lost any of the ability

691
00:29:32.285 --> 00:29:34.365
that we knew he had, right?

692
00:29:34.945 --> 00:29:38.165
Is he our guy? Because maybe through the last couple

693
00:29:38.165 --> 00:29:40.845
of years at, at ECR, they had kind of been like, ah, he's,

694
00:29:41.395 --> 00:29:43.085
it's, it's not gonna be the right fit,

695
00:29:43.105 --> 00:29:45.125
or we don't think he's, he has the potential

696
00:29:45.125 --> 00:29:48.005
that we thought he had or whatever, but now that's all back.

697
00:29:48.145 --> 00:29:50.245
So I don't know, maybe, I don't know.

698
00:29:50.465 --> 00:29:54.525
That's just my guesstimations without knowing anything.

699
00:29:54.795 --> 00:29:58.785
<v Speaker 1>What I love about the REUS</v>

700
00:30:00.025 --> 00:30:03.845
2025 situation is,

701
00:30:04.025 --> 00:30:08.005
it is another example of which there are dozens

702
00:30:08.065 --> 00:30:11.685
and dozens in IndyCar over the years that

703
00:30:13.105 --> 00:30:16.935
proves how important the environment

704
00:30:16.935 --> 00:30:20.775
that a driver is in is to their success.

705
00:30:23.295 --> 00:30:25.035
You would not look at Delco racing

706
00:30:25.375 --> 00:30:30.115
and ECR as equal teams

707
00:30:30.345 --> 00:30:32.355
from a resource standpoint, right?

708
00:30:33.175 --> 00:30:35.435
Things at ECR did not work out for Reuss.

709
00:30:36.325 --> 00:30:38.945
The results weren't there. Like that's, that's, you know,

710
00:30:39.005 --> 00:30:40.505
as, as I, I know he was shocked

711
00:30:40.505 --> 00:30:42.385
that he was let go at the end of that term.

712
00:30:43.285 --> 00:30:45.885
Um, but I, I think

713
00:30:46.265 --> 00:30:47.485
that's probably more just based

714
00:30:47.485 --> 00:30:48.605
on conversations that he'd had.

715
00:30:48.605 --> 00:30:49.605
And if you like, just look at the

716
00:30:49.605 --> 00:30:50.605
outright performance of the team.

717
00:30:50.605 --> 00:30:53.205
Like I, I get why I had wanted to make a a change, right?

718
00:30:53.385 --> 00:30:57.665
It needed to happen. But then you take that guy,

719
00:30:57.815 --> 00:31:00.545
that same dude a year later, put him in a team

720
00:31:00.545 --> 00:31:04.025
with less resource and they make magic

721
00:31:04.025 --> 00:31:05.745
happen more often than not.

722
00:31:06.765 --> 00:31:10.025
And it just proves that to me, in a series

723
00:31:10.025 --> 00:31:11.145
where everything is so close

724
00:31:11.205 --> 00:31:14.785
and so tight, the people that you have around you, it's

725
00:31:14.925 --> 00:31:16.105
so critical, man.

726
00:31:16.125 --> 00:31:19.425
You have to have the right engineer, you have

727
00:31:19.425 --> 00:31:21.105
to have the right data person,

728
00:31:21.805 --> 00:31:23.265
you need the right crew chief,

729
00:31:23.525 --> 00:31:24.745
you need the right team owner.

730
00:31:25.045 --> 00:31:26.785
You need the right culture, environment

731
00:31:26.785 --> 00:31:29.025
and atmosphere to let you thrive as a driver.

732
00:31:29.325 --> 00:31:30.945
And every driver's different, right?

733
00:31:30.965 --> 00:31:34.065
In which environments make them reach their peak.

734
00:31:35.445 --> 00:31:40.245
I I is unique. And so what I love about the, the reus

735
00:31:40.845 --> 00:31:44.805
DCR experiment is it shows that yeah, reus found a place

736
00:31:44.805 --> 00:31:45.885
that he's very happy in

737
00:31:45.885 --> 00:31:47.765
and he's still very capable of,

738
00:31:47.765 --> 00:31:49.165
of delivering as a racing driver.

739
00:31:50.865 --> 00:31:53.955
What would be interesting is if he did go to Penske,

740
00:31:55.975 --> 00:31:58.875
is that environment one that allows him to thrive and,

741
00:31:58.895 --> 00:32:00.315
and still be his best version

742
00:32:00.465 --> 00:32:02.355
because that's kind of known to be a bit

743
00:32:02.355 --> 00:32:04.915
of a unique environment even within the IndyCar world.

744
00:32:05.305 --> 00:32:07.235
<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean it's that, that point</v>

745
00:32:07.375 --> 00:32:10.595
and that parallel, we have an example of that not

746
00:32:10.595 --> 00:32:13.555
to the scale of DCR to Penske,

747
00:32:13.575 --> 00:32:16.435
but we have it with DCR to Andretti, we have it

748
00:32:16.545 --> 00:32:18.755
with DCR to Nessi.

749
00:32:18.975 --> 00:32:21.515
And, and a lot of people forget about Ed Jones, right?

750
00:32:21.535 --> 00:32:24.195
Mm-hmm . No, ed Jones is not Reuss vk.

751
00:32:24.475 --> 00:32:27.355
Ed Jones is not Rome Mount Rojan in terms of a talent level.

752
00:32:27.855 --> 00:32:32.595
But people, ed Jones in a coin car had some as,

753
00:32:32.615 --> 00:32:35.515
as a rookie, like, had some really good results

754
00:32:35.575 --> 00:32:37.915
and good drives and good finishes and, and,

755
00:32:37.975 --> 00:32:41.525
and accomplished a lot and got put in the 10 car

756
00:32:42.385 --> 00:32:45.545
and it was a disaster immediately let go.

757
00:32:45.975 --> 00:32:48.065
Okay? You do the same thing

758
00:32:48.215 --> 00:32:52.785
with Rojan in the 18 was on pole at NDGP

759
00:32:52.885 --> 00:32:54.825
should have won probably two races,

760
00:32:54.885 --> 00:32:57.625
but that team in pit lane and,

761
00:32:57.625 --> 00:33:01.025
and just can't compete quite at the level that it needed to,

762
00:33:01.045 --> 00:33:02.225
but from a speed perspective,

763
00:33:02.505 --> 00:33:04.545
probably should have won two races, goes to Andretti

764
00:33:05.675 --> 00:33:06.855
and doesn't.

765
00:33:07.515 --> 00:33:09.255
Yes, he probably should have won a couple

766
00:33:09.255 --> 00:33:10.495
of races than Andretti too.

767
00:33:10.835 --> 00:33:12.975
But the point is, the end result at the end

768
00:33:12.975 --> 00:33:14.535
of the year was substantially worse

769
00:33:15.115 --> 00:33:16.575
and the environment was worse

770
00:33:16.795 --> 00:33:19.095
and it didn't, it didn't end up being successful.

771
00:33:19.355 --> 00:33:23.895
Mm-hmm . And so he ends up out of a, out of a, out

772
00:33:23.895 --> 00:33:26.015
of race car after a year at Juncos, right?

773
00:33:26.155 --> 00:33:28.015
So it's a very interesting point,

774
00:33:28.075 --> 00:33:30.695
but the same point could be said for really anyone,

775
00:33:31.035 --> 00:33:32.495
you know, Lucas, a hundred percent.

776
00:33:32.555 --> 00:33:33.775
If we take that example, right,

777
00:33:34.455 --> 00:33:36.335
I mean it's, it's pretty cool.

778
00:33:37.275 --> 00:33:40.975
You look at, let's use Red Bull F1 as an example, okay? It's

779
00:33:40.975 --> 00:33:41.975
<v Speaker 1>Just a guess thing.</v>

780
00:33:42.085 --> 00:33:44.175
<v Speaker 3>They're different cars, I understand that,</v>

781
00:33:44.355 --> 00:33:47.655
but ultimately, you know, you've got Red Bull, which is,

782
00:33:47.665 --> 00:33:49.055
let's call it the Penske, right?

783
00:33:49.915 --> 00:33:53.335
And then you have Racing Bulls, which is the AJ Foyt.

784
00:33:53.435 --> 00:33:55.535
So you're getting the technical support,

785
00:33:55.535 --> 00:33:57.455
you're getting the help, you're getting the engineering

786
00:33:57.455 --> 00:33:59.695
support, management support from the big team,

787
00:34:00.195 --> 00:34:03.095
but you're in the younger kind of more relaxed,

788
00:34:03.365 --> 00:34:04.535
more fun environment.

789
00:34:04.675 --> 00:34:06.495
No one's really expecting anything of you.

790
00:34:06.495 --> 00:34:08.335
It's just go out and drive as fast as you can.

791
00:34:08.355 --> 00:34:10.135
And if you get a result, wow, you're a hero.

792
00:34:10.235 --> 00:34:11.575
And if you don't, it's like, yeah.

793
00:34:11.655 --> 00:34:13.935
I mean, okay, that's to be expected, right?

794
00:34:14.265 --> 00:34:16.175
Again, same thing in a, in a Foyt car,

795
00:34:16.205 --> 00:34:18.935
it's like you're driving for Foyt, we're not expecting you

796
00:34:18.935 --> 00:34:20.775
to win races, but you're qualifying on the front

797
00:34:20.795 --> 00:34:22.015
row, blah, blah, blah, all this stuff.

798
00:34:22.125 --> 00:34:23.335
Boom, you're in the 12 car.

799
00:34:23.355 --> 00:34:26.255
Now we need race wins challenging for five, five hundreds,

800
00:34:26.255 --> 00:34:27.295
dude competing for championships.

801
00:34:27.575 --> 00:34:28.615
<v Speaker 1>I was having this conversation</v>

802
00:34:28.615 --> 00:34:32.495
with someone yesterday when you are in the Foy car

803
00:34:33.795 --> 00:34:35.815
and, and, and like, again, this is, this is very kind

804
00:34:35.815 --> 00:34:37.895
of specifically the, the Lucas situation, right?

805
00:34:37.915 --> 00:34:40.535
And again, I feel like we, I feel like I, I hope he knows

806
00:34:41.085 --> 00:34:43.045
this like I'm a fan, fine.

807
00:34:43.045 --> 00:34:44.285
Let's, I'm a David Luc fan, right? Let, right,

808
00:34:44.285 --> 00:34:45.405
<v Speaker 3>Let's, let's stop using this as an example.</v>

809
00:34:45.455 --> 00:34:47.765
Let's talk about the Shenk guys. 'cause it's the same thing.

810
00:34:48.195 --> 00:34:49.365
It's the exact same thing

811
00:34:49.525 --> 00:34:50.725
that Armstrong's dealing with right

812
00:34:50.725 --> 00:34:51.725
<v Speaker 1>Now.</v>

813
00:34:51.725 --> 00:34:51.965
Okay. But, but let's look.

814
00:34:51.965 --> 00:34:53.205
Well, but it's it's in reverse though.

815
00:34:53.205 --> 00:34:56.485
So like, my, my point about, about Dave was, you know, he,

816
00:34:56.485 --> 00:34:58.645
so he switches to Foy and there's the, the Penske Alliance,

817
00:34:58.925 --> 00:35:00.845
whatever find cool when you're at that team,

818
00:35:02.865 --> 00:35:04.525
bad days are kind of glossed over

819
00:35:05.265 --> 00:35:08.215
and good days are celebrated a lot, right?

820
00:35:08.215 --> 00:35:10.255
People really remember those pop performances

821
00:35:10.395 --> 00:35:13.255
and they kind of just, the, the 15th place finishes sort

822
00:35:13.255 --> 00:35:14.615
of dissolve into the ether

823
00:35:14.615 --> 00:35:16.775
because everyone's like, well it's a white car anyway.

824
00:35:16.795 --> 00:35:18.575
Say you're focused on the winter, whatever, whatever.

825
00:35:19.155 --> 00:35:23.295
But when you're at Penske, the baseline is so high

826
00:35:24.005 --> 00:35:26.275
that bad days are probably

827
00:35:27.595 --> 00:35:30.035
actually focused on more than your good days.

828
00:35:30.035 --> 00:35:32.315
You're celebrated. 'cause the good days are the expectation

829
00:35:32.375 --> 00:35:34.515
and the bad days are the standouts

830
00:35:34.515 --> 00:35:36.595
that are actually gonna get a lot of focus and attention.

831
00:35:37.145 --> 00:35:38.525
And that's just a really different

832
00:35:38.525 --> 00:35:40.005
environment for a driver to be in.

833
00:35:40.345 --> 00:35:42.965
And you know, there's, Dave's done nothing to say

834
00:35:42.965 --> 00:35:44.885
that he can't perform under that kind of pressure.

835
00:35:44.885 --> 00:35:47.165
Like the way he jumped back into MSR

836
00:35:47.215 --> 00:35:50.045
after getting dropped by McLaren was cinema.

837
00:35:50.155 --> 00:35:51.565
It's beautiful. It was, it was incredible.

838
00:35:51.615 --> 00:35:52.925
Still injured, still coming back.

839
00:35:53.385 --> 00:35:55.085
Not sure how he was gonna do and he killed it.

840
00:35:55.085 --> 00:35:57.285
Like that's what led to this opportunity in a lot of ways.

841
00:35:57.465 --> 00:35:58.965
So I'm not saying I don't think you can do it,

842
00:35:59.065 --> 00:36:02.125
but it is gonna be a very, very different kinda kind

843
00:36:02.125 --> 00:36:05.125
of situation where, you know, your good days, you're kind

844
00:36:05.125 --> 00:36:07.445
of like the gentle pat on the back, like, good job,

845
00:36:07.945 --> 00:36:09.845
you did your job and the bad days.

846
00:36:09.845 --> 00:36:12.405
You're like, well what's going on here? Like, this is bad.

847
00:36:12.425 --> 00:36:15.205
We need to fix this. And it's, it's an interesting,

848
00:36:15.275 --> 00:36:17.965
it's an interesting situation to know you're going into if

849
00:36:17.965 --> 00:36:19.005
that's, if that's the move.

850
00:36:19.185 --> 00:36:20.565
<v Speaker 3>But I think it's the exact same thing</v>

851
00:36:20.565 --> 00:36:22.685
with the MSR. I don't think it's the opposite

852
00:36:22.945 --> 00:36:24.085
<v Speaker 1>For Armstrong. How do you mean?</v>

853
00:36:24.915 --> 00:36:29.725
<v Speaker 3>Well, so Armstrong is a Nessy employee, right? Ultimately.</v>

854
00:36:30.035 --> 00:36:34.645
Sure. Not having, well he is, he's under contract with CGR

855
00:36:35.505 --> 00:36:40.335
but ultimately is not in CGR at CGR

856
00:36:41.175 --> 00:36:43.675
and he's not Alex Pelosi's teammate.

857
00:36:44.345 --> 00:36:48.635
Okay. He is Felix Rosenquist teammate. Oh no.

858
00:36:48.705 --> 00:36:50.955
Because no, you gotta call a spade a spade.

859
00:36:51.175 --> 00:36:55.875
Ma Lucas took the same exact car that will did

860
00:36:56.695 --> 00:36:58.555
to ninth in the championship to 13th.

861
00:36:58.735 --> 00:37:01.675
So you'd say that despite all of the discrepancies between

862
00:37:02.705 --> 00:37:06.595
Willpower and David Lucas or Willpower, or Team Penske

863
00:37:06.595 --> 00:37:08.395
and AJ Foyt, like it actually,

864
00:37:08.395 --> 00:37:10.275
the end result ended up being pretty close.

865
00:37:10.525 --> 00:37:12.995
Right. David had some bad luck, will had some bad luck.

866
00:37:13.195 --> 00:37:15.075
I mean, he beat Joseph in the championship.

867
00:37:15.775 --> 00:37:19.935
So my point is the, the smaller team,

868
00:37:20.145 --> 00:37:21.855
subsidiary team expectation,

869
00:37:21.855 --> 00:37:25.535
because people are, are hailing the year that Felix

870
00:37:25.595 --> 00:37:29.055
and Marcus had, which is granted it was the best year the

871
00:37:29.175 --> 00:37:31.255
MSR had had from a championship standpoint,

872
00:37:31.255 --> 00:37:32.415
both cars in the top 10,

873
00:37:32.645 --> 00:37:34.415
both cars were on the podium at different points,

874
00:37:34.645 --> 00:37:37.055
they were good across all tracks, yada, yada,

875
00:37:37.085 --> 00:37:38.335
yada. And that is true,

876
00:37:38.475 --> 00:37:40.055
<v Speaker 1>And that is</v>
<v Speaker 3>Correct first and third, but</v>

877
00:37:40.075 --> 00:37:41.255
PLO and Dixon were first and third.

878
00:37:41.875 --> 00:37:44.415
<v Speaker 1>So wait, and so, so you can't say that, you can't say that</v>

879
00:37:44.415 --> 00:37:46.295
that Armstrong's not Polo's teammate

880
00:37:46.315 --> 00:37:47.575
and then compare them in the

881
00:37:47.575 --> 00:37:48.975
championship in that way, right?

882
00:37:48.995 --> 00:37:50.695
You have to accept like, what's the definition

883
00:37:50.695 --> 00:37:52.015
of a teammate in this sense?

884
00:37:52.405 --> 00:37:54.575
They share engineering, they share setups like

885
00:37:54.575 --> 00:37:55.935
for all they share data for all intents

886
00:37:55.935 --> 00:37:57.135
and purposes, they're teammates, right?

887
00:37:57.235 --> 00:37:58.495
<v Speaker 3>But that's the exact same thing</v>

888
00:37:58.495 --> 00:38:00.415
as I guess the Lucas situation at Foyt.

889
00:38:00.845 --> 00:38:01.975
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah. I'm saying if you're,</v>

890
00:38:01.975 --> 00:38:04.815
if you're gonna compare Lucas and power for having the same

891
00:38:04.835 --> 00:38:06.535
<v Speaker 3>Car, no, that wasn't you, that wasn't my point.</v>

892
00:38:06.595 --> 00:38:09.175
No, that wasn't my point. My point was echoing

893
00:38:09.175 --> 00:38:10.575
what you were saying in terms

894
00:38:10.575 --> 00:38:12.095
of when you're on the smaller team,

895
00:38:12.755 --> 00:38:16.055
people are celebrating the Right, sorry, yes.

896
00:38:16.195 --> 00:38:18.055
The big days. Yes. Right. And

897
00:38:18.055 --> 00:38:19.695
<v Speaker 1>Not really</v>
<v Speaker 3>Thinking about it because it's like, oh,</v>

898
00:38:19.695 --> 00:38:21.695
he drives for MSR Well, it's like, no, not really.

899
00:38:21.935 --> 00:38:24.815
I mean, he drives for asse, right? So it's the same.

900
00:38:24.815 --> 00:38:26.335
Yeah, yeah, it's the same thing.

901
00:38:26.515 --> 00:38:27.935
So whereas the media and,

902
00:38:27.935 --> 00:38:30.415
and ultimately this is all really we're discussing the fans,

903
00:38:30.415 --> 00:38:32.295
we're discussing the media perception, everything.

904
00:38:32.895 --> 00:38:35.885
I can guarantee you internally Penske is analyzing

905
00:38:36.195 --> 00:38:39.165
what David is doing every single session for sure at Foyt.

906
00:38:39.165 --> 00:38:42.405
Yeah. So if, if they're gonna put him in the car,

907
00:38:43.195 --> 00:38:45.045
they are gonna, they feel that he's ready.

908
00:38:45.045 --> 00:38:46.485
It's not like they don't have the information.

909
00:38:46.485 --> 00:38:47.885
It's not like they're just looking at a,

910
00:38:48.045 --> 00:38:50.005
a score box at the end of, of the weekend.

911
00:38:50.025 --> 00:38:52.485
So I guess full circle, what I'm saying is,

912
00:38:53.095 --> 00:38:57.765
while it's all maybe a surprise to everyone

913
00:38:58.425 --> 00:39:01.845
as we discussed that someone would be replacing willpower

914
00:39:02.625 --> 00:39:06.005
if he is given the nod, it's because they've seen

915
00:39:06.065 --> 00:39:07.645
and they know way more than all we do,

916
00:39:07.955 --> 00:39:10.165
that he is more than capable of filling those shoes.

917
00:39:10.425 --> 00:39:14.365
So I guess that's a hundred percent, that's my end end point

918
00:39:15.085 --> 00:39:16.415
<v Speaker 1>With the slight caveat being</v>

919
00:39:16.415 --> 00:39:17.615
that they offer Bill a contract.

920
00:39:17.835 --> 00:39:19.495
So of the allegedly guys available, allegedly.

921
00:39:20.435 --> 00:39:22.535
No, I think Penske had said that in their thing.

922
00:39:23.475 --> 00:39:26.285
<v Speaker 3>Did okay, or Yes.</v>

923
00:39:27.205 --> 00:39:28.045
I don't think they said they offered,

924
00:39:28.045 --> 00:39:28.805
offered him a contract.

925
00:39:28.955 --> 00:39:31.485
They said Will, will decided to go his own way

926
00:39:31.905 --> 00:39:33.685
and decided something else was good for the future.

927
00:39:33.955 --> 00:39:38.445
There's a lot of times where teams had been asked to put it

928
00:39:38.445 --> 00:39:39.885
that way so that it doesn't look

929
00:39:39.885 --> 00:39:41.605
as though the driver's getting fired. That

930
00:39:41.605 --> 00:39:43.285
<v Speaker 1>Is true. I just wanna check.</v>

931
00:39:43.345 --> 00:39:45.445
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I guess the counter to that would be that, uh,</v>

932
00:39:45.545 --> 00:39:47.445
you know, we heard from Will that he claims

933
00:39:47.445 --> 00:39:48.925
that they, they did offer

934
00:39:48.925 --> 00:39:50.645
<v Speaker 3>Him so Well, I was, I was not on that part</v>

935
00:39:50.645 --> 00:39:51.685
of the show, so my apologies.

936
00:39:51.745 --> 00:39:53.325
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I forgot. Yeah.</v>
<v Speaker 3>Anyways,</v>

937
00:39:53.635 --> 00:39:54.885
that point doesn't really matter.

938
00:39:55.305 --> 00:39:57.365
Um, what does matter

939
00:39:58.265 --> 00:40:01.245
is people watched in Nashville. Hell, oh,

940
00:40:01.265 --> 00:40:02.265
<v Speaker 2>Bro, yes they did.</v>

941
00:40:02.595 --> 00:40:04.765
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Like, look, we're gonna save talking about Nashville</v>

942
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for next week 'cause we don't have a race to talk about.

943
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Uh, so, and we're outta time,

944
00:40:09.225 --> 00:40:11.845
but let's just, let's just high actually, yeah, I do wanna

945
00:40:13.115 --> 00:40:16.885
quickly touch on this incredible, uh, run.

946
00:40:17.705 --> 00:40:20.365
So yes, the Nashville Race, uh,

947
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delivered 1.1 million viewers peaked, I think 1.3

948
00:40:24.425 --> 00:40:27.085
and over the course of the year, let's round of applause

949
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for Fox Sports in year one.

950
00:40:28.645 --> 00:40:31.005
Obviously we know any 507 million

951
00:40:31.525 --> 00:40:33.885
averaging over the entire season.

952
00:40:34.225 --> 00:40:36.925
1.362 million viewers,

953
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which is a 27% year over year increase in the most watched

954
00:40:40.765 --> 00:40:42.005
season in 17 years.

955
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Most audience growth for plus 27%

956
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for any sport averaging at least a million viewers.

957
00:40:47.955 --> 00:40:50.445
Massive lift in the 18 to 34

958
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and 18 to 49 demographics, 81 and 51% respectively.

959
00:40:56.665 --> 00:41:01.125
Uh, huge increase in female viewers with females 18

960
00:41:01.125 --> 00:41:02.845
to 34 up 72%

961
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and females 18 to 49, up 30%. Thanks

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<v Speaker 3>Patto.</v>

963
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<v Speaker 1>Thanks Patto. So yeah, guys, look, big deal.</v>

964
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It's a, it's awesome

965
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and I can tell you it's to a lot of hard work, man. ,

966
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I saw it all happen in the background.

967
00:41:20.975 --> 00:41:23.555
Uh, I contributed very little, tiny little bit myself,

968
00:41:23.695 --> 00:41:27.075
but the, the, the group at Fox that, uh,

969
00:41:27.145 --> 00:41:28.355
that jumped into this program,

970
00:41:28.495 --> 00:41:30.275
and we've talked about it a lot at the top of the year,

971
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so many people were brand new to IndyCar.

972
00:41:33.645 --> 00:41:37.565
A bunch were brand new to motor sports, and they showed up

973
00:41:37.625 --> 00:41:40.085
and it, it improved, I think every single week.

974
00:41:40.705 --> 00:41:43.845
The efforts from, again, every single member of, you know,

975
00:41:43.845 --> 00:41:45.925
people from IMSP, the people from Fox, everybody

976
00:41:45.925 --> 00:41:49.725
that touched the broadcast, uh, was, was a monumental one.

977
00:41:49.905 --> 00:41:53.525
And it was one that, uh, I watched a lot of people that,

978
00:41:53.525 --> 00:41:55.365
again, were brand new to this sport, kind

979
00:41:55.365 --> 00:41:56.845
of slowly fall in love with IndyCar racing,

980
00:41:56.845 --> 00:41:58.485
because that's what happens when you

981
00:41:58.485 --> 00:41:59.605
get exposed to IndyCar racing.

982
00:41:59.745 --> 00:42:00.965
You fall in love with IndyCar racing.

983
00:42:01.305 --> 00:42:04.885
And, uh, and this year obviously 1.3 million people on

984
00:42:04.885 --> 00:42:06.005
average, were watching IndyCar racing

985
00:42:06.385 --> 00:42:07.365
and we're slowly getting

986
00:42:07.365 --> 00:42:08.565
more of the country to fall in love with it.

987
00:42:08.625 --> 00:42:13.285
So, um, yeah, huge credit to Fox Sports. Huge applause.

988
00:42:13.395 --> 00:42:16.885
Huge thank you for year one and more exciting stuff to come.

989
00:42:17.025 --> 00:42:21.125
But I think we in there and we talk Nashville next week and,

990
00:42:21.345 --> 00:42:24.205
and Markham, so, oh, and Markum, oh God.

991
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We might even have a schedule

992
00:42:25.345 --> 00:42:26.485
by the time we record next week.

993
00:42:26.545 --> 00:42:28.685
Who knows? God, Marco, there's no chance.

994
00:42:28.685 --> 00:42:31.125
Yeah, we gotta talk, we gotta talk about Markham.

995
00:42:31.155 --> 00:42:33.245
Very excited. All right, thanks guys.

996
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