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This is off track.
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Oh man, it is.
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It's the May hangover. The May hangover's a real thing.
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It's a really real thing. Yeah.
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Could you imagine if you were also hungover right now?
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No. I, IM not.
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I sure can are. I sure can imagine that.
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Yeah. I thought, Hmm, nevermind.
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Um, yeah, but in, in, in our defense,
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or to counteract your point, you didn't really work as hard
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as the rest of us this month.
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You weren't even here the whole time. So
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You didn't even, he didn't even
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run a marathon in the same trip you were here.
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Yeah. That was totally the last trip.
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Wait, okay. No, you did do the gp.
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I was gonna ask if I was the only one of the three of us
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that finished a race this month,
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but you did do the GP at Barber.
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So , I guess you did.
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Yeah, dude, we worked Barbara, then we worked the gp.
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I mean, you talked, talked about it.
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Do you have any idea how much work that is? Sometimes
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It's so hard.
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It's so hard. It's so hard. Let's not talk about,
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let's not talk about the 30, no, what was it,
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40, 50 something hour?
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I forget how many hours we did of broadcasting this month
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on top of several live show podcasts and charity events
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and et cetera, et cetera.
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I just don't wanna talk. But guys,
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we're gonna be on a podcast for the next hour. So
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Giddy up special.
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Two parter this week, to really just keep talking, right?
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We figured, you know,
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technically this is a Tuesday episode, but it's post 500
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and everybody wants to hear about the 500.
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We don't wanna wait till Thursday for that.
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So we're gonna do the main show,
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which is gonna be an extended main show,
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cut up over two episodes Tuesday and Thursday. It's part
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One's coming at you hot. It's part ones heavy,
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Coming at your hard, just like there's,
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We're on fire.
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Um, wow. Where do we even start? , there was so
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Mean, do it chronologically
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Do we go back to,
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because what's important
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to remember is our last show was recorded on a Tuesday
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and on Wednesday is when everything post qualifying drama.
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Oh, God. Exploded. I wasn't even thinking about
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that.
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Yeah. So like, we have not talked about the Penske firings
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and the cars getting kicked to the back and,
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or maybe, maybe we knew they were going to the back.
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I don't remember exactly the
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Criminal, I think we knew they were going to the back.
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Yeah, I think we did. Yes.
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Yeah, we didn't talk about Centric
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and Yep. All you would
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Say the other two names,
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Mm-hmm. Kyle Wire and Ron Raki.
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Anyway, yes, I did know that. I just woke up.
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Um, it feel, that feels like it was a month ago.
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Yeah,
I mean, honestly, it's like,
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not even that interesting to talk about
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anymore
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Like that's how, that's how rapid things move.
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But no, um, listen, oh, my, my, my apologies guys.
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I'm, I'm quite ill. Um, thanks Tim.
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I'm still gonna blame this on you.
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Uh, even though you probably didn't do
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it, I'm still gonna blame it on you. Pretty sure
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I didn't, but
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I like it. So
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I think, I
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we covered a lot in last week's episode about, um, you know,
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our thoughts and opinions and,
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and all of these things that happened.
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And I don't think it was, it was necessarily a surprise, um,
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that there was some action taken in terms of personnel.
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Um, but the magnitude and the amount I think was a surprise.
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Wouldn't you agree with that, James?
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1000% on all points.
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Like, 'cause I mean, when,
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when things happen in corporations, forget motorsports, um,
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and there's a kind of black eye associated
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with said corporation.
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And if it happens once, you know, there's usually a, a bit
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of a grace situation and then it happens twice,
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and there's usually things that are adjusted
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and changed in the hierarchy of that organization.
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So like, I, I guess all of that is understandable.
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Um, but then when you look at like, the severity
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of the punishment versus the crime committed, right?
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I think that's another thing you have to
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take into consideration.
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It's like, I think, I don't know
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that those two things necessarily add up.
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Yeah, it was weird. It was weird
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because one thing I know we did cover was that the,
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the, the issue in qualifying was not some,
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like ASEP was some
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Software hacks,
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Secret performance, performance enhancer, get an extra,
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extra 50 horsepower kind of deal.
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It was a very minor detail that everybody agreed.
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Like I've heard other drivers on interviews
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and stuff publicly saying that like, yeah,
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from a performance standpoint it wasn't a big deal.
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It's a black and white rule.
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So yes, action needs to be taken, whatever.
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Um, so to Alex's point, especially given the previous,
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you know, season
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and the issues that that had, there
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some changes were probably not surprising.
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The yeah, surprising part was you look at Cindrich,
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Zuki and Moyer, those are like
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the three top guys at the program for Penske's IndyCar deal.
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So you're, you're just removing, like,
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it's like looking at an org chart
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and just taking the, just ripping the top off the page
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and kind of starting from scratch.
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That's a monumental thing to do.
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Now again, this, this is where it gets kind
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of weird is like, was that done?
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Because Roger, just as a team, o let,
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let's say he didn't have any say in anything else
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and was just the head of Penske racing.
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Is that the decision that he makes
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because he doesn't like that twice in two years, something
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of this magnitude happened,
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or do we think it is, it was an exaggerated response
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because of everything else?
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Well, based on the penalty, you'd, I mean,
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I guess we'll never know, but based on the penalty,
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you'd have to bias towards the latter, right?
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Like, again, this is a attempt to, you know, show,
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um, that he is not approving
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of his team not being held to the highest
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standard of accountability.
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He's showing that he does not want the series
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and its reputation to be tarnished because of his team.
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And so actions are taken are
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arguably incredibly severe because of that, right?
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Had he say, chip owns the series, right?
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I don't think three people get fired because of this, right?
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I don't even know that one person gets fired.
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One person might get moved or demoted
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or suspended for a period of time, right?
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But like, if you think about these guys, I mean,
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especially Tim and Ron who have committed their entire lives
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and, and careers to, to team Penske and, and everything
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and have been there through some incredible times,
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both positive and negative, like the, it's a,
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it's a huge, huge decision.
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And, and I'm sure it's not one that Roger came by lightly.
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I'm, I'm not saying that Roger is wrong for doing this,
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I'm not saying that this is something that, you know,
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he wanted to do, but I feel like he probably felt
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that his hand was forced
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because of all of the, the conversation
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that was surrounding this issue.
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So, um, I feel just like, I felt bad for the,
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the, the kind of hate that Joseph and Will were getting.
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I feel terrible for TC and Ron and Kyle
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because again,
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I don't think these people were in boardrooms being like,
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we need to, we need to putty the attenuator.
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Like that's not, this wasn't some
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directive that was coming from them.
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Are they ultimately management?
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Does the buck stop with them?
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They like it has to with someone, right? But mm-hmm . Yeah.
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I, I feel, I do feel very bad for them.
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It's, I I, and again, I feel bad also for the drivers
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because, you know, uh,
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TC has been on Joseph's stand for a very long time.
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Um, Zuki Hass been on Wills stand for a very long time.
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Moyer's been on McLaughlin stand,
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I think his entire IndyCar career.
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Mm-hmm . And these are, these are like team like, you know,
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Critical people. Yeah.
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This is like at mission critical position here, right?
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You got driver engineer and,
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and team manager slash strategist.
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That's, that's the guy on the radio to you.
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That's the person, you know, like you've had
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that voice in your helmet for however many years
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and then they're just gone three, four days, whatever it was
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before the biggest race of the year.
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It's that, that's a huge adjustment to make.
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Um, and it's, uh, yeah, it's crazy.
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But again, we don't know.
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We don't know what goes on behind closed doors.
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We don't know all the facts and,
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and we don't know the whole story.
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It is what it is. It's done.
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A lot of people feel bad for a lot of people involved,
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but, you know, people thought, certain people thought
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that was the move that needed to be made.
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So here's, here's a wild, a wild scenario,
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and I'm not gonna say who I was,
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who I was talking to about it.
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Um, but I was talking to someone at,
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at Team Penske and I was like, who
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Was it?
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No. And um, they were like, oh,
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do you wanna know what's like, I'm not really
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that concerned about this weekend in terms
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of like the restructuring and everything.
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It's like, I mean, the ship's already sailed
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and we're, we're pretty sorted and all this sort of thing
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and it's strategizing the Indy 500
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and calling that race as a group effort anyways.
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Right? Right. It's never just one, one person's decision.
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For sure. He, he, this person was like,
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what I'm terrified about is showing up Monday to the office.
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'cause like all the people that are responsible
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for getting everything to Detroit
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and turning everything around and doing X, y, and z
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and logistics and all of this stuff are gone,
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Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Like it's, it's now it's not making race
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cars go fast, right?
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It's a concern. It's like, oh, how do we do the simple shit?
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Because I've never done that before.
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Because like we said, they are,
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they are strategists slash team managers
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for those individual cars, right.
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And it's the team manager part. That's the bigger stress.
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Yes, a hundred percent
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leave the racetrack. And
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I was like, that's a, that's a great point.
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Good luck with that.
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Managing the team is actually evidently the trickier
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bit. So Yeah,
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I I know we have a lot of other things to cover,
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but I did have two questions on this.
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I mean, one, how quickly do these three guys think get job
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offers at other places?
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I mean, they'll get offers, they got offers eight minutes
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after the press release came out.
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But I imagine that there's some sort
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of like non-compete clause
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I apply when you're fired.
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I have a question. I have a, I don't know.
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Yeah, I was about that ask. I don't, it does like can you,
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'cause Indiana's a right to work state now this is Charlotte
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I guess, but like if you leave,
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If you quit, then there's the non-compete
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Maybe, right?
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But if, if you get fired,
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non-compete, at least in Indiana.
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Okay. So maybe, I mean, again, we don nothing.
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This is pure speculation. Yeah, yeah.
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I have no idea what if the team was like,
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of position, I'd be like, yeah, yeah,
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we're super firing you,
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but like sign this, here's a big check
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and you're now quitting
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and you have a non-compete for six months or whatever it is.
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But I don't know. I have no idea.
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I guess, I guess we'll find out, but um,
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'cause you, you never want anybody to lose their job.
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No, no, exactly. And the,
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but the answer to your question, Tim, is all
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of their phones were ringing off the hook
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as soon as the news came out.
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Um, and then I guess the other follow up question,
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we don't really, there's no real answer to this,
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but I just think it's worth bringing up.
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You guys have talked about how
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it's silly if you're blaming the drivers on that.
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Completely agree.
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Taking that in and already understanding that it's silly
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to blame Joseph or, or will for this.
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Why do you think it is that so many people are mad at Joseph
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and not that many people are mad at will?
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Well, because it, it all ref it, it all reverts back
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to the push to pass thing.
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Right? Okay. So ultimately will didn't do it.
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Ultimately Scott did it but immediately turned it off
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and Joseph did it multiple times, right?
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So there's already this like idea
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of Joseph intentionally trying to do things.
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Um, and so
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wrongly this also gets attached to that also
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Because, because Joseph is not
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putting Bondo on the car Of course. No, no, no.
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Also, also because, you know, there was, there's a lot
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of differing opinions about how 2023 Indy 500 ended.
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Right. Okay.
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And the confusion about like,
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why are we seeing something we've never seen before?
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And a Penske car ends up winning on a decision
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that was arguably made by Penske people
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to finish the race under green.
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Right. You've got that. And then
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Bondo shows up in the museum on his car in 2024.
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So I mean it's, it's all things that are
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actually irrelevant to Joseph.
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And Joseph is an innocent kind of bystander of it,
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minus the push to pass thing.
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Um, but that's why like, it's,
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it's just things have built up and Yeah.
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And Will hasn't been a, a party
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to really any of those other things.
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Yeah. That makes sense. Thanks.
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Okay. It's funny 'cause I feel like I just want to,
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I just want to, nah, I won't even get back into it.
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It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Um, alright,
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Well then we had, uh, we had everybody,
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you made up two spots, um, after qualifying
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before the race starts because of that.
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We're gonna skip over Carb day. Tim.
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No, we
No, I was gonna get into that, that
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and then carb day and then was gonna point out later
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that you made up another spot.
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But I was just gonna, okay.
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It was a thing in my head. I'm tired.
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Yeah. Say I feel like your head's
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in a great place for us to be. Um, I
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Don't want being in it. Well,
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I mean there was Monday practice, which was fine. I guess
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We talked about that talked 'cause we did a live show
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in the Tower Terrace after that.
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Oh yeah, that's right. Thanks again. Fun.
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James Schwarze coming on board. That was cool.
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Um, so yeah, so Carb Day. You heard the Carb Day show.
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If you're a good human being, um, good
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For all of us for making an appearance by the way.
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Good for all of us for show.
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Well, good for you and I for showing up.
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And big, big props to Tim and Joey for being
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Out. No big props to Joey. Yeah,
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Props to big props to Joey.
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I had to be there. That's true. Joey didn't .
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Um, big props. Hi buddy.
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Oh s he looks so cute right now. Sorry, can
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I just say, I know we have other actual carb day stuff,
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but if you haven't listened to it yet, the, the interview
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with All American rejects at the end of that was awesome.
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Those guys were so cool
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and just, I could have hung out with them
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for hours on those couches. So,
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So Tim, so Tim, you're not a big music guy.
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No. Um, I spent the rest of that night listening
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to All American Rejects.
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Again though , I felt like I was back in high school.
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Okay. Did you, I mean, would you say like, what,
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what is your favorite like nineties punk rock band?
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I don't even know if I have one. Um, sugar Colt.
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Does that count or were they more early two
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thousands Sugar Colt?
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I'm not sure I know who that
Is. I know what that is.
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They're a good one. I'm gonna stick with that.
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That's probably a smart move.
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'cause neither one of us can comment on it. Yeah.
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And thus criticize you for it.
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So that was probably a good play. Good play.
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Interesting. Anyways, um, I'm
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Gonna golf clap that. So
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What was, what was, what was so, uh,
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what was so cool about 'em? Like I I'm not gonna
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Listen.
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They came out and just immediately made fun of Joey
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and I like, I love that they hit it.
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They, they got the vibe right. Maybe I'll listen so quickly.
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They were just fun. Cool.
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It was every, they were
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engaged, all the questions were cool.
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And don't get me wrong, creed was also awesome.
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Um, just all American rejects felt like four
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guys I just wanna go hang out with. So
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Let me ask this question.
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'cause I tried really hard to beat this into you beforehand.
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While you were interviewing Creed,
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did you guys make silly Creed puns using their lyrics?
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We did a little bit. Mm.
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It was, it was kind of hard
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because we were up against
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the Oscar Meyer Wienermobile race,
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which is just like an absurd statement that,
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like we were interviewing Creed while Oscar Meyer
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wiener mobiles were racing.
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Well, let's, let's get to that.
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So to lost a lot of crowd for that.
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Right? Okay, let's, let's get to that. Um, the fix
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Suzanne, right? They faked that.
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Your, your car. I, I don't know.
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Um, your carb day practice was kind
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of irrelevant 'cause you broke apart.
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Actually no, sorry. I do need to ask this question. Oh boy.
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So watching, watching the broadcast,
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you have five laps on the board
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and we see the 20 rolling back through gas alley
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and the report back from one of our pit reporters was
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there is a water pump failure.
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Is this correct?
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I mean, yes.
Cool water pump failure.
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And so you were leaking fluids.
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Very happy that that didn't cause an accident.
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'cause water leaking onto your rear tires
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at speed could be bad.
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Don't worry. We tried something like that later.
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Cool, cool. You did sort of do that. That's true.
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Um, here was my, and then,
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and then it was cars not expected
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to make it back out in practice
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because they had to go to Detroit to get a new part.
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Um, they did not have to go to Detroit.
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Detroit had to come to us.
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Sorry. A a part was having to be Yeah. Sent from Detroit.
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So my question was my here's, I could not fathom
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that there was any part of an IndyCar
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or the engines or the electronics or the whatever.
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I could not fathom that there's any part
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that bolts onto a IndyCar at the in 500
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that there wasn't one spare of on the entire property.
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So fair, you're taking this incredibly literally.
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Um, there was a water pump. The water pumps are internal.
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Um, this was the last
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that we were not gonna get an
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opportunity to run the car again.
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So they wanted an engine builder to come down from Detroit
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to tear apart the engine, to reinstall a water pump.
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So it, it had nothing to do with the part not being there.
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It was because there was gonna be no leak check.
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They wanted the right person no install.
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They want an engine builder to do it.
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And here's what's badass about this guy.
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He got the call, um, and he was like, yep, no problem.
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Got on his motorcycle. Nice.
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With a little, with a little like I i you no borderline Ikea
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like all in one toolkit.
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I mean it wasn't that, but like
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that same size and look right?
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Yeah. Yeah. Rolls down to Indianapolis, drives his bike up
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to the garage, hops off bike, boots on the car's,
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already prepped and ready, does his thing 25 minutes,
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doesn't take his bike boots off, gets back on.
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Heads to Detroit. Thank you very much. No problem.
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Like pretty, I mean as far
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as like mechanics, that's pretty cool.
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And like nerds go like, that's
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badass
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That is pretty, that's a long,
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that's a lot of riding in one day.
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That's about a four hour ride.
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Unless he was just ripping it. Um, okay.
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So that, that clears that up.
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Thank you for clearing that up. 'cause I was a little bit
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surprised by that information.
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Um, yes.
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So then the weenie 500 Oscar Meyer with a
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objectively brilliant marketing move to have all six
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of the Oscar Meyer Wiener mobiles racing
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around the speedway.
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Tim, you didn't watch it
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because you were interviewing Creed.
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Alex, I assume you had it on the garage
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but weren't really paying too much attention.
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Um, well no. 'cause I was at a Java house activation.
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Um, and also don't care.
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Like, I'm sorry, I don't think it is.
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I don't, I I I didn't like it. I thought it's dumb.
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I thought it's a little bit lame to have.
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I mean, that might not be a popular opinion,
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but like, this is the Indianapolis 500
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and we're watching stupid hot dog trucks go
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around at 25 mile an hour in a stage race.
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Like, what are we doing? Like, I'm sorry,
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I objectively don't disagree.
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I was very like, joke,
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I was very shocked when like the idea first was pitched.
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I'm like, that's really happening.
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I remember T Bell and I looked at each other, we're like,
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there's no way Roger knows this is going on ,
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this is gonna get k this is gonna
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get canned before it ever happens.
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But dude, the buy-in from the audience, like
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fans loved it. We
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Are very Do you, you think you could love it if you are
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not under 10 or sober?
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The the second one makes it tough. I don't know.
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I'm not sure. I think yes, I think you could based on really
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Like as a 30-year-old sober
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person, you think you'd enjoy that?
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Me personally,
No. Any,
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Yes.
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Interesting. And I'm only saying that be like the post
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that we made on it was like the most, I got more responses
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to a story about the weenie 500
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before it happened than any other post I Do you think
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It's just 'cause it's the word weenie.
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I think it, it doesn't matter.
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It's it's the absurdity of it, right? I think
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It doesn't matter. Yeah.
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It's taking people talking Wiener mobiles, drag
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Taking, there was prop bets on like the length
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of the anthem, which was the Oscar Byer Wiener
505
00:21:32.905 --> 00:21:34.905
song, which was also very funny. Like that was, that was
506
00:21:34.955 --> 00:21:35.955
Funny.
507
00:21:35.955 --> 00:21:37.145
It was, it was done well
508
00:21:37.325 --> 00:21:38.865
and like all the pi, all the pilots,
509
00:21:38.885 --> 00:21:43.145
all the drivers had like, you know, like corny names
510
00:21:43.415 --> 00:21:44.745
that were hot dog related
511
00:21:44.805 --> 00:21:48.665
or whatever it was, it was done very well.
512
00:21:49.585 --> 00:21:51.985
I was shocked to see it happen at the Indianapolis,
513
00:21:52.045 --> 00:21:54.265
but if we were in Milwaukee Yeah, I get it.
514
00:21:54.265 --> 00:21:56.385
That makes sense. That makes a lot of sense in Milwaukee.
515
00:21:57.185 --> 00:21:59.265
I was floored that it happened at the Speedway.
516
00:21:59.725 --> 00:22:02.385
Um, and obviously we had to call it,
517
00:22:02.385 --> 00:22:05.865
and we had to call it using just an absolute boatload
518
00:22:05.865 --> 00:22:09.145
of puns and, and terrible wiener jokes.
519
00:22:10.045 --> 00:22:14.865
Uh, but it was, it was, there were people on their feet.
520
00:22:14.865 --> 00:22:16.745
They were like, like hundreds
521
00:22:16.745 --> 00:22:19.745
of people in full co hotdog costumes in the stands,
522
00:22:20.085 --> 00:22:22.585
having a blast, having a great time.
523
00:22:24.085 --> 00:22:28.195
It was, uh, look, if we can't have the freedom 100,
524
00:22:30.865 --> 00:22:31.865
No, don't say that.
525
00:22:33.335 --> 00:22:34.725
don't put those in the same kind of case. I would
526
00:22:34.725 --> 00:22:35.885
Rather have the Freedom 100.
527
00:22:36.635 --> 00:22:38.045
Just so we're clear. No,
528
00:22:38.045 --> 00:22:42.925
I mean, I don't, okay, here's this is,
529
00:22:42.925 --> 00:22:44.085
this is a good comparison.
530
00:22:44.705 --> 00:22:47.205
Um, and maybe I'm just scrooge,
531
00:22:47.745 --> 00:22:49.845
but like, I also think the Puppy Bowl
532
00:22:49.845 --> 00:22:51.285
during the Super Bowl is stupid.
533
00:22:51.785 --> 00:22:53.445
Yes. Do you agree with that? Yep.
534
00:22:54.195 --> 00:22:55.525
Okay. All right. So we're the same.
535
00:22:55.815 --> 00:22:59.045
We're the same. But okay, here's, but here's the thing.
536
00:22:59.595 --> 00:23:02.935
This is the thing. Let's say,
537
00:23:02.985 --> 00:23:06.935
let's say you can't be over 30 and sober and still like it.
538
00:23:08.715 --> 00:23:09.855
We want a younger audience.
539
00:23:09.855 --> 00:23:12.575
Like if this got a bunch of 10, 12-year-old loved
540
00:23:12.915 --> 00:23:15.055
to think it was awesome, then awesome.
541
00:23:15.405 --> 00:23:18.095
Cool. Like Hazel loved it. That's a great example.
542
00:23:18.715 --> 00:23:20.575
So, but again, I do think
543
00:23:20.575 --> 00:23:24.615
To the point where she left my show , her dad,
544
00:23:25.125 --> 00:23:28.615
like us doing the live show, which I, I call it mine.
545
00:23:28.775 --> 00:23:30.295
'cause you weren't, you and Alex weren't there,
546
00:23:30.315 --> 00:23:34.895
but she left watching me, her dad on stage talking
547
00:23:35.035 --> 00:23:38.615
to a massive band to go watch the Oscar Meyer Wieners race.
548
00:23:39.035 --> 00:23:41.695
And honestly couldn't blame her. Like No,
549
00:23:42.115 --> 00:23:44.695
It was, no, I was, again, I, I'm not gonna lie,
550
00:23:44.775 --> 00:23:46.965
I was skeptical, but then when I saw the fan reaction,
551
00:23:47.025 --> 00:23:48.765
I'm like, okay, it's, it's something.
552
00:23:48.905 --> 00:23:50.765
And if there's, if there's a day to do it, I mean,
553
00:23:50.765 --> 00:23:52.525
carb Day is, that makes a lot of sense.
554
00:23:52.525 --> 00:23:55.365
On Carb Day. I'm kinda, I I I definitely get that part,
555
00:23:55.785 --> 00:23:57.965
but I think it'll be back next year.
556
00:23:58.045 --> 00:23:59.445
I think it's gonna be a new thing.
557
00:23:59.625 --> 00:24:03.095
You know, Nathan's has their 4th of July hotdog getting
558
00:24:03.095 --> 00:24:04.215
concert or contest
559
00:24:04.875 --> 00:24:07.255
and Oscar Meyers gonna have the, the Weenie 500.
560
00:24:07.675 --> 00:24:11.255
So my biggest fear is that we've got, we've gotta come up
561
00:24:11.255 --> 00:24:13.815
with a whole new raft of, of wiener jokes
562
00:24:14.195 --> 00:24:15.495
for the broadcast we used.
563
00:24:15.555 --> 00:24:17.495
All I'll say, I will say, I will say, um,
564
00:24:17.815 --> 00:24:18.895
I watched Relish the,
565
00:24:20.355 --> 00:24:23.415
and it was, it was incredible.
566
00:24:23.765 --> 00:24:25.695
Like how well you three did
567
00:24:25.975 --> 00:24:28.135
because like, I, I don't know
568
00:24:28.135 --> 00:24:29.495
how you even talk about such a thing,
569
00:24:29.495 --> 00:24:30.855
like I was flabbergasted.
570
00:24:30.855 --> 00:24:33.495
But, um, dude, good job.
571
00:24:34.295 --> 00:24:36.535
Constant Professionals, uh, Tim, our producer is texting us,
572
00:24:36.675 --> 00:24:38.215
uh, telling us what to do on the show, guys.
573
00:24:38.235 --> 00:24:39.935
So sorry for the abrupt change.
574
00:24:40.155 --> 00:24:42.175
Uh, he wants us hang to talk about, no, hang on. Okay, hang
575
00:24:42.175 --> 00:24:43.175
On.
576
00:24:43.175 --> 00:24:44.495
Let's just get through one more thing on Carb Day. Sure.
577
00:24:44.495 --> 00:24:45.935
Then we could talk about Tim's topic
578
00:24:46.075 --> 00:24:48.175
and then we can, I don't know, end part one.
579
00:24:48.875 --> 00:24:50.335
Um, 'cause Carb Day's not over
580
00:24:50.365 --> 00:24:52.295
because it went to the Pits Stop competition.
581
00:24:52.515 --> 00:24:55.455
Mm. And the Pits Stop Competition was
582
00:24:55.815 --> 00:24:57.255
absolutely blitzed by Penske.
583
00:24:58.075 --> 00:24:59.075
Um,
584
00:24:59.525 --> 00:25:00.525
Shocker.
585
00:25:00.525 --> 00:25:02.295
Which dude, it was shocking
586
00:25:02.315 --> 00:25:04.735
how fast they broke their own record by like seven three.
587
00:25:04.765 --> 00:25:07.335
Like Joseph broke his own record like three times. Yeah.
588
00:25:07.875 --> 00:25:10.775
And, and it was like seven tenths faster than the record
589
00:25:11.085 --> 00:25:12.095
from previous.
590
00:25:12.475 --> 00:25:15.815
But my favorite part about , the favorite part about the
591
00:25:16.525 --> 00:25:20.695
base up competition was you won your first round.
592
00:25:21.105 --> 00:25:24.995
Right? And first of all, I love the piss up competition.
593
00:25:25.175 --> 00:25:26.755
I'm just gonna throw that out there objectively.
594
00:25:27.305 --> 00:25:29.715
It's an awesome event. I love that the crew gets
595
00:25:29.735 --> 00:25:30.875
to be the spotlight.
596
00:25:31.145 --> 00:25:32.355
It's about what they do.
597
00:25:32.715 --> 00:25:34.075
'cause what they do is very difficult
598
00:25:34.135 --> 00:25:35.595
and they put a lot of effort into it.
599
00:25:36.095 --> 00:25:40.195
And Rocket, the, the tech guy that puts it all on, I mean,
600
00:25:40.195 --> 00:25:43.155
it's $150,000 worth of prizes all in.
601
00:25:43.865 --> 00:25:45.235
It's awesome. I really, really love it.
602
00:25:46.295 --> 00:25:48.955
So Alex wins his first one and he gets outta the car
603
00:25:48.955 --> 00:25:50.395
and he is walking back towards the
604
00:25:50.395 --> 00:25:51.635
staging area and his helmet.
605
00:25:52.335 --> 00:25:55.355
And, and like Alex walking through the paddock
606
00:25:55.355 --> 00:25:58.235
with his helmet just cuts this very like,
607
00:25:59.955 --> 00:26:01.035
specific figure, right?
608
00:26:01.055 --> 00:26:03.315
You just, your body language when you're just kind
609
00:26:03.315 --> 00:26:06.595
of walking, it's, it's, it's tough to explain.
610
00:26:06.695 --> 00:26:08.035
But, so we've got, and I was like,
611
00:26:08.035 --> 00:26:09.995
and you're just like, you, you could be walking
612
00:26:10.345 --> 00:26:12.075
through a shopping mall.
613
00:26:12.075 --> 00:26:15.275
Like you just, there's nothing to decipher what kind
614
00:26:15.275 --> 00:26:16.635
of mood you're in or whatever.
615
00:26:17.095 --> 00:26:18.275
So I was making this joke.
616
00:26:18.395 --> 00:26:20.755
I was like, oh, that's, Alex is very happy with that run.
617
00:26:20.775 --> 00:26:22.195
You can see it in his body language
618
00:26:22.195 --> 00:26:23.795
and you're just walking like as normally
619
00:26:23.795 --> 00:26:24.915
as you could possibly be walking.
620
00:26:24.915 --> 00:26:27.435
Right? And then you lost when you lost,
621
00:26:27.595 --> 00:26:28.755
I forget if it was the next one or the one
622
00:26:28.755 --> 00:26:30.195
after when you eventually got eliminated,
623
00:26:30.195 --> 00:26:31.675
you're doing the exact same walk back.
624
00:26:31.735 --> 00:26:32.835
I'm like, oh see here.
625
00:26:32.835 --> 00:26:34.915
Notice the subtle differences in his stride, .
626
00:26:35.295 --> 00:26:38.195
And I was trying to get them to put, I was trying
627
00:26:38.195 --> 00:26:41.035
to get them to put a side by side of the two
628
00:26:41.035 --> 00:26:42.835
of the two shots of you walking
629
00:26:42.835 --> 00:26:44.765
Back to like circle the very,
630
00:26:44.795 --> 00:26:47.445
very noticeable differences in your body language.
631
00:26:47.585 --> 00:26:49.445
Mm-hmm . That were identical. Yeah.
632
00:26:49.505 --> 00:26:51.325
But I couldn't get it in there, but I really wanted to.
633
00:26:51.545 --> 00:26:53.125
It was just funny. Anyway,
634
00:26:53.505 --> 00:26:55.005
Uh, congrats to Team Penske.
635
00:26:55.075 --> 00:26:56.645
They came first and second in. It was
636
00:26:56.645 --> 00:26:57.645
Competition.
637
00:26:57.645 --> 00:26:58.645
It was pretty cool. I've, I've done the piss out competition
638
00:26:58.645 --> 00:27:03.045
now this is, uh, I think my third time I did it once
639
00:27:03.045 --> 00:27:06.125
with Andretti, once with McLaren, and now once with ECR.
640
00:27:06.465 --> 00:27:08.125
And this is the first time I've ever not gotten
641
00:27:08.125 --> 00:27:09.245
eliminated on the first round.
642
00:27:09.305 --> 00:27:11.645
So there you go. I was pretty, pretty happy. Pretty cool.
643
00:27:12.115 --> 00:27:14.845
Made it through. Made it through. Uh, okay.
644
00:27:15.225 --> 00:27:17.085
So Tim now wants us to pivot.
645
00:27:17.655 --> 00:27:22.045
We're gonna skip ahead, um, excuse me,
646
00:27:23.855 --> 00:27:27.715
to, uh, discuss the post-race penalties
647
00:27:28.425 --> 00:27:31.075
that were assessed on Monday.
648
00:27:31.895 --> 00:27:36.235
So Monday after the race, uh, three post race
649
00:27:38.375 --> 00:27:41.305
tech penalties were announced. The 28
650
00:27:41.305 --> 00:27:42.945
Executions
Ex Yeah. ,
651
00:27:43.885 --> 00:27:46.985
the 28 Marcus Erickson, 27 Cal Kirkwood
652
00:27:47.005 --> 00:27:48.985
and the number 90 of Cal Ilot.
653
00:27:49.565 --> 00:27:52.025
Uh, both the Andretti cars for the same infraction,
654
00:27:52.145 --> 00:27:55.625
a different one on ilo got, uh, bounced from the race.
655
00:27:55.625 --> 00:27:57.385
Essentially. They, they, I guess it's not a
656
00:27:57.385 --> 00:27:58.745
disqualification, they got moved
657
00:27:59.125 --> 00:28:00.665
to the three last positions.
658
00:28:00.665 --> 00:28:02.305
So they finished, they were classified
659
00:28:02.305 --> 00:28:03.865
as 31st, second, and third.
660
00:28:04.765 --> 00:28:09.445
Um, that's like a, that's a,
661
00:28:09.605 --> 00:28:12.565
I mean, as if Marcus's day wasn't already bad enough.
662
00:28:12.835 --> 00:28:13.835
Well,
,
663
00:28:13.925 --> 00:28:15.805
I mean like,
He thought it was bad.
664
00:28:16.465 --> 00:28:19.085
He thought it was bad. And boy did it get worse. Yeah.
665
00:28:19.105 --> 00:28:21.445
Boy did it get worse? 'cause now not only are you looking
666
00:28:21.505 --> 00:28:23.285
at, you know, oh my God,
667
00:28:23.285 --> 00:28:24.925
what could I have done differently And just,
668
00:28:25.035 --> 00:28:26.565
just missing out on the Indy 500.
669
00:28:27.145 --> 00:28:30.125
Now you also lose like 40 points in a million bucks,
670
00:28:30.255 --> 00:28:32.725
which is a pretty big kick in the nuts. And like he was,
671
00:28:32.725 --> 00:28:33.725
He was having a tough season.
672
00:28:33.785 --> 00:28:37.565
So like he went from like getting himself towards the top
673
00:28:37.565 --> 00:28:40.205
10, the championship, to now immediately being 20th.
674
00:28:40.435 --> 00:28:43.325
Like it a big kick in the Yeah.
675
00:28:43.345 --> 00:28:45.005
For Marcus, just from a points perspective,
676
00:28:45.065 --> 00:28:46.645
forget the, the glory of it.
677
00:28:46.665 --> 00:28:48.285
Forget the money like that,
678
00:28:48.345 --> 00:28:50.565
that's painful in the championship for him. Do
679
00:28:50.565 --> 00:28:53.005
We know what the infraction was?
680
00:28:53.905 --> 00:28:55.085
Yes, Tim. We do.
681
00:28:56.405 --> 00:28:58.165
I don't, I tried to look it up yesterday
682
00:28:58.185 --> 00:28:59.965
and I didn't see anything about it.
683
00:28:59.965 --> 00:29:01.965
It just said there were modifications to the car.
684
00:29:02.965 --> 00:29:07.785
Listen, um, IndyCar is as, as much as it is a spec series,
685
00:29:08.285 --> 00:29:11.505
um, there is a lot of, okay, when you've had a car
686
00:29:11.505 --> 00:29:15.745
for this long, there is a lot
687
00:29:15.745 --> 00:29:18.145
of optimization that is done to all
688
00:29:18.145 --> 00:29:19.385
of the components, right?
689
00:29:19.845 --> 00:29:22.105
In terms of you've, you've had the thing long enough
690
00:29:22.765 --> 00:29:26.225
and you fiddle with things in our six month off season
691
00:29:26.445 --> 00:29:28.865
and you find little ways to install stuff better
692
00:29:28.965 --> 00:29:31.065
and you make body fit better.
693
00:29:31.165 --> 00:29:32.825
And all of these little things that we, again,
694
00:29:32.825 --> 00:29:33.905
we talked about last week
695
00:29:33.935 --> 00:29:37.385
with the Bondo on the attenuator, if that's what we're calling it.
696
00:29:37.385 --> 00:29:39.705
Like it wasn't, that by itself was nothing.
697
00:29:39.895 --> 00:29:41.690
It's all these little things you're trying to do
698
00:29:41.705 --> 00:29:44.925
to subtly improve the level of the, the build of the car.
699
00:29:45.865 --> 00:29:49.965
And so the components, at least on the Andretti cars, um,
700
00:29:50.425 --> 00:29:53.405
it was, it was purely a build quality situation.
701
00:29:53.625 --> 00:29:57.485
Um, on the, on the 90 car, like the thing that happened, I,
702
00:29:57.485 --> 00:29:59.805
you could argue that maybe it's a new team
703
00:29:59.905 --> 00:30:03.205
and they don't maybe understand all of the, the ways
704
00:30:03.205 --> 00:30:04.405
that the regulation works.
705
00:30:04.545 --> 00:30:06.805
Or maybe I talked to Callum in the race
706
00:30:06.825 --> 00:30:08.805
and he said that he had some contact
707
00:30:08.985 --> 00:30:10.165
on that side of the front wing.
708
00:30:10.225 --> 00:30:12.885
So maybe that was enough to, to put it outta spec.
709
00:30:14.255 --> 00:30:18.045
Again, though, we are seeing a, a ccra not a crazy,
710
00:30:18.365 --> 00:30:21.525
a very new trend in the series where these are not
711
00:30:22.075 --> 00:30:26.445
intentional, um, malicious cheats if you will.
712
00:30:26.855 --> 00:30:30.845
These are people working in the gray area of the rules.
713
00:30:31.055 --> 00:30:32.485
These are people, you know,
714
00:30:32.615 --> 00:30:34.805
maybe not fully understanding the rule book
715
00:30:34.805 --> 00:30:36.965
because they've been doing things for this way
716
00:30:36.985 --> 00:30:39.445
for the past decade and nothing's been said about it.
717
00:30:39.705 --> 00:30:42.005
And so they just don't even realize that it's not legal.
718
00:30:42.275 --> 00:30:43.605
It's been going on for so long.
719
00:30:43.945 --> 00:30:46.485
So I wonder how much of that is existing. Um,
720
00:30:46.505 --> 00:30:48.365
So that, yeah, that was gonna be my follow up.
721
00:30:48.585 --> 00:30:50.805
Is it, was it, is it like a new rash of this
722
00:30:50.825 --> 00:30:52.765
or is it just getting caught now?
723
00:30:53.025 --> 00:30:54.685
Is it just getting punished now?
724
00:30:54.985 --> 00:30:58.205
Is it a little bit of all of the above or we don't know.
725
00:30:58.325 --> 00:30:59.525
'cause we're not in race control.
726
00:31:01.425 --> 00:31:02.965
We don't know. We're not in race control .
727
00:31:03.905 --> 00:31:08.125
Um, it is, it is interesting though, you know, with,
728
00:31:08.355 --> 00:31:10.365
with everything that happened after qualifying
729
00:31:12.105 --> 00:31:14.645
and the way that
730
00:31:17.075 --> 00:31:21.865
the paddock reacted, which led
731
00:31:21.885 --> 00:31:25.665
to what felt like an exaggerated response.
732
00:31:28.035 --> 00:31:30.795
I can't help but feel, and I could be totally off base here,
733
00:31:31.645 --> 00:31:36.245
but like Alex's point, like a lot of this stuff's been done
734
00:31:37.145 --> 00:31:41.725
and there are gray areas that are, you know, look, it's,
735
00:31:41.725 --> 00:31:43.085
it's, it's engineer's jobs
736
00:31:43.265 --> 00:31:45.645
to like interpret things a certain way to try
737
00:31:45.645 --> 00:31:46.765
to find a competitive advantage, right?
738
00:31:46.765 --> 00:31:48.405
Like that's the, that's the game, right?
739
00:31:48.675 --> 00:31:51.165
It's not intentionally trying to break a rule.
740
00:31:51.755 --> 00:31:54.525
It's, well, I read it this way, so I think this makes sense.
741
00:31:55.665 --> 00:31:59.485
Um, but is it, have we now set a new precedent, right?
742
00:31:59.785 --> 00:32:01.845
Is is what happened in qualifying
743
00:32:02.665 --> 00:32:04.085
in the subsequent response?
744
00:32:04.665 --> 00:32:08.565
Now the level at which we're gonna be seeing tech
745
00:32:09.505 --> 00:32:13.595
operate and the level at which penalties will be issued.
746
00:32:14.295 --> 00:32:17.435
If that's the case, fine, as long
747
00:32:17.435 --> 00:32:19.195
as it stays at this level now
748
00:32:19.765 --> 00:32:22.275
until there's some announced change.
749
00:32:22.305 --> 00:32:24.515
Because if you know
750
00:32:24.515 --> 00:32:29.275
that being 0.01% outside the tolerance of the rules
751
00:32:29.805 --> 00:32:30.955
leads to this level
752
00:32:31.095 --> 00:32:32.715
and this severity of penalty,
753
00:32:33.695 --> 00:32:36.635
you are gonna back off your adjustments
754
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to leave a slightly bigger margin,
755
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which is fine if you want every rule to be black
756
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and white in or out.
757
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Harsh penalties. Cool. Awesome.
758
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Everyone's just gonna have to recalibrate their, their deal.
759
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It just seemed like the timing of it seems a little strange.
760
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Yeah. I mean, I also wonder how much of this is, um,
761
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is this, I don't wanna put words in in his mouth
762
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because he hasn't said this,
763
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but is this the type of IndyCar that Doug Bowles wants?
764
00:33:08.245 --> 00:33:10.345
You know, Doug Bowles was, was brought into the head
765
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of competition for IndyCar and, and all this sort of thing
766
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and it, you know, he's worked in on the team side before
767
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and all this sort of thing.
768
00:33:17.285 --> 00:33:20.985
So did he, is he of the, is this a,
769
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is this a mindset shift because it's a, a personnel shift?
770
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Is, is he like this? Listen, this is the rule book.
771
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It's not my job to make sure you follow the rule book.
772
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You've had the rule book, your professional race teams,
773
00:33:31.425 --> 00:33:33.145
your professional organizations follow the rule
774
00:33:33.145 --> 00:33:34.305
book or you'll be penalized.
775
00:33:34.405 --> 00:33:38.185
And, and that could just be the way that he wants to do it.
776
00:33:38.285 --> 00:33:40.625
And, and also, like you said, James, that's totally fine
777
00:33:40.765 --> 00:33:42.625
as long as that's the way it's done.
778
00:33:42.845 --> 00:33:45.865
Um, but I, I certainly think
779
00:33:46.995 --> 00:33:50.785
teams are probably now like reconsidering a lot of things,
780
00:33:50.785 --> 00:33:53.945
especially going into Detroit, like holy shit, like yes,
781
00:33:54.185 --> 00:33:55.985
this is legal, but it's barely legal.
782
00:33:56.005 --> 00:33:57.385
Should we pull it off the car?
783
00:33:57.935 --> 00:34:00.345
Like what do we do about this, this, and this?
784
00:34:00.345 --> 00:34:02.905
Because like, these are, again, we talked about the points,
785
00:34:02.905 --> 00:34:03.945
like that's a huge deal.
786
00:34:04.265 --> 00:34:05.905
A hundred thousand dollars is not a small
787
00:34:05.935 --> 00:34:07.105
fine. Right? Like that's,
788
00:34:07.105 --> 00:34:08.425
Especially when you're also losing the
789
00:34:08.425 --> 00:34:09.465
price money Exactly.
790
00:34:09.775 --> 00:34:11.305
That you
Would've been earning. This is
791
00:34:11.345 --> 00:34:12.345
A big penalty.
792
00:34:12.345 --> 00:34:14.825
So I think teams are now probably feeling
793
00:34:14.825 --> 00:34:16.025
like they're walking on eggshells.
794
00:34:16.025 --> 00:34:18.105
So I mean, it's, it is interesting.
795
00:34:18.175 --> 00:34:20.945
It's a, it's a, it's a strange thing to have this sort of
796
00:34:22.065 --> 00:34:25.995
seemingly monumental shift in the middle of the season.
797
00:34:26.635 --> 00:34:27.835
I mean, I can't imagine
798
00:34:27.835 --> 00:34:30.355
that nothing in the gray area was caught in the first five
799
00:34:30.445 --> 00:34:31.675
races, but thi
800
00:34:32.105 --> 00:34:33.955
This is the part that I find weird, right?
801
00:34:33.955 --> 00:34:36.075
Like if that was the deal from the get go, cool.
802
00:34:36.075 --> 00:34:38.395
But to your point, it seems weird that it's only
803
00:34:38.405 --> 00:34:40.715
after all this sort of came out in Yeah.
804
00:34:40.815 --> 00:34:44.595
At the speedway that, but again, look, as long as it, yeah,
805
00:34:44.595 --> 00:34:45.835
it's, it's a, it's a tough one.
806
00:34:46.255 --> 00:34:48.995
But at the same time, I'll remember, I never will forget
807
00:34:49.885 --> 00:34:53.635
Texas 2016, we come second in the race.
808
00:34:55.195 --> 00:34:58.815
My, my floor was, uh, worn.
809
00:34:59.355 --> 00:35:01.575
Oh, I'm aware.
Point six
810
00:35:01.995 --> 00:35:03.615
Giving everyone spark showers.
811
00:35:03.795 --> 00:35:07.095
Yep. Point. But it was 0.6 of a millimeter
812
00:35:07.955 --> 00:35:09.895
to too far past the thing.
813
00:35:10.305 --> 00:35:13.815
Right? So is it an advantage?
814
00:35:14.045 --> 00:35:17.295
It's certainly not a disadvantage. Right? Excuse me.
815
00:35:17.325 --> 00:35:20.175
This was at Texas and uh,
816
00:35:20.275 --> 00:35:23.735
and we got docs 25 points and $25,000
817
00:35:23.735 --> 00:35:27.355
or whatever a few years prior to that.
818
00:35:28.555 --> 00:35:30.855
Justin Wilson won the race with Dale Coin
819
00:35:32.045 --> 00:35:33.745
and he had full on
820
00:35:34.335 --> 00:35:36.945
aerodynamic components bolted onto the car
821
00:35:37.035 --> 00:35:38.685
that were not allowed to be on the car.
822
00:35:38.685 --> 00:35:41.445
Correct? Correct. That add down force, right. Won the race.
823
00:35:41.625 --> 00:35:44.085
He got a $5,000 fine. That was it.
824
00:35:45.065 --> 00:35:47.725
So when our penalty got announced, I text Jay Fry,
825
00:35:47.825 --> 00:35:49.285
who was in his first year at the series
826
00:35:49.825 --> 00:35:52.445
and said, Jay, this is respectfully, this is bull
827
00:35:52.715 --> 00:35:55.685
because a few years ago Justin won the race
828
00:35:56.155 --> 00:35:59.725
with very obvious bolted on parts that he shouldn't have.
829
00:36:00.545 --> 00:36:03.525
The, the race that I got, you know, uh, docked for,
830
00:36:03.905 --> 00:36:06.045
we showed up, we had a 10 minute practice session
831
00:36:06.115 --> 00:36:07.965
that we weren't allowed to adjust the car after.
832
00:36:08.245 --> 00:36:09.965
'cause it was that August race. So the right
833
00:36:09.965 --> 00:36:11.085
heights were a fraction off.
834
00:36:11.465 --> 00:36:14.965
It was 0.6 of a mill. Mm-hmm. And I get a 25 point penalty.
835
00:36:15.465 --> 00:36:19.125
And his response was, I wasn't running things back in 2012.
836
00:36:20.295 --> 00:36:22.075
And I was like, that's a good argument.
837
00:36:22.375 --> 00:36:25.155
That's kind of the only argument that I would've not like,
838
00:36:25.465 --> 00:36:26.915
continued to lose my mind over.
839
00:36:27.095 --> 00:36:30.075
So now it's, now it's a different person in charge.
840
00:36:30.255 --> 00:36:31.595
And so maybe that's just the shift.
841
00:36:32.535 --> 00:36:37.425
It, it, there's a lot of talk about all the tech stuff
842
00:36:37.685 --> 00:36:40.665
and the conflict of interest that exists or whatever.
843
00:36:41.365 --> 00:36:42.465
The other thing that we sort
844
00:36:42.465 --> 00:36:45.945
of missed last week was the interview with Roger.
845
00:36:47.325 --> 00:36:50.745
And in that interview he said something
846
00:36:50.745 --> 00:36:54.065
that I think was music to the ears of a lot
847
00:36:54.065 --> 00:36:55.105
of people in the paddock.
848
00:36:55.445 --> 00:36:57.385
And don't get me wrong, there's still a lot of details
849
00:36:57.405 --> 00:37:01.585
to work out here, but IndyCar is in the process of
850
00:37:02.785 --> 00:37:06.545
creating a system whereby tech
851
00:37:06.925 --> 00:37:10.105
and race control would be independently run
852
00:37:10.605 --> 00:37:13.625
and not actually controlled by IndyCar.
853
00:37:14.405 --> 00:37:18.025
So there are, there are different ways to go about that.
854
00:37:18.165 --> 00:37:21.385
And I know that they are exploring a few different avenues.
855
00:37:22.265 --> 00:37:24.305
I think there are pros and cons to the different ones
856
00:37:24.305 --> 00:37:26.145
that I've kind of heard, uh, being kicked around.
857
00:37:26.885 --> 00:37:30.345
But ultimately, you know, this is something that
858
00:37:31.455 --> 00:37:35.265
IndyCar has been actually working on for months
859
00:37:35.765 --> 00:37:37.745
and is not being done in reaction to
860
00:37:37.745 --> 00:37:38.865
what happened at the Speedway.
861
00:37:39.585 --> 00:37:42.025
I kind of wish they had shared more of that, you know,
862
00:37:42.055 --> 00:37:43.185
what was happening behind the scenes
863
00:37:43.185 --> 00:37:45.065
and maybe people wouldn't have lost their minds so much,
864
00:37:45.445 --> 00:37:47.025
you know, over qualifying weekend.
865
00:37:48.245 --> 00:37:52.155
But if we can get to a point whereby next year race control
866
00:37:52.375 --> 00:37:54.635
and tech are independently operated
867
00:37:54.975 --> 00:37:57.275
and can't be influenced in that respect,
868
00:37:57.655 --> 00:37:59.675
that's a huge step forward for the series.
869
00:37:59.955 --> 00:38:00.955
I think.
870
00:38:01.715 --> 00:38:05.515
I, I couldn't agree more. Um, I think that it's, it,
871
00:38:05.615 --> 00:38:10.155
it shows that despite all
872
00:38:10.175 --> 00:38:12.875
of the accusations or opinions or,
873
00:38:12.935 --> 00:38:17.075
or anything like the priority of, of Penske Entertainment
874
00:38:17.335 --> 00:38:20.355
and Roger is the health of this series,
875
00:38:21.175 --> 00:38:23.835
and he does care deeply about it more than just, you know,
876
00:38:23.835 --> 00:38:26.035
it's a, it's an avenue for the Indy 500
877
00:38:26.615 --> 00:38:30.755
and he wants it to be a, um, championship that is,
878
00:38:31.415 --> 00:38:34.315
uh, held in high regard and is some of the best teams
879
00:38:34.335 --> 00:38:36.805
and drivers competing, you know, across North America.
880
00:38:37.065 --> 00:38:38.805
And, and that that is,
881
00:38:38.835 --> 00:38:40.645
that is very clear through all of this.
882
00:38:40.675 --> 00:38:43.245
Like, he is not, this is not just a, a byproduct
883
00:38:43.345 --> 00:38:45.405
of something that he purchased as a package deal.
884
00:38:45.545 --> 00:38:47.685
So, um, it'll be interesting to see how
885
00:38:47.685 --> 00:38:48.765
that, how that evolves.
886
00:38:48.765 --> 00:38:50.965
Obviously none of that's gonna come in 2025,
887
00:38:51.225 --> 00:38:53.045
but would be very cool.
888
00:38:53.065 --> 00:38:56.005
And I think exciting for everyone, not only teams, drivers,
889
00:38:56.945 --> 00:38:58.245
um, and the such,
890
00:38:58.265 --> 00:39:00.125
but also fans, um, to know
891
00:39:00.125 --> 00:39:01.645
that there would be an independent body
892
00:39:01.645 --> 00:39:02.725
going forward in the future.
893
00:39:03.835 --> 00:39:05.845
Well, we look forward to learning more about that
894
00:39:05.985 --> 00:39:07.325
as more becomes known.
895
00:39:07.985 --> 00:39:11.085
Um, and we've kind of covered now everything up to the race,
896
00:39:11.185 --> 00:39:13.285
so we're gonna stop it here for Tuesday.
897
00:39:13.905 --> 00:39:14.965
Uh, thanks for listening guys,
898
00:39:14.965 --> 00:39:16.285
but make sure you check in on Thursday
899
00:39:16.285 --> 00:39:18.005
where we're gonna get into everything.
900
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