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This is, is off track.
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We just had to cut the first minute 17 of this episode
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because Tim thinks he's funny, which
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for the teenth time we've established he is not.
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But welcome to Off Track with Hin Rossi.
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Rossi breathing heavily into the microphone as he does.
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I just love making work for Tim. Scratch your bait on it.
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I can't do it on this one. Do the beers crash?
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He hates that.
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Not in a mood. Um, oh no.
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To do that. Are you in a bad mood?
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I'm not in a bad mood. I'm just a little bit, I'm,
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I I've just, I'm a little,
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I'm a little indifferent about this show
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today, but that's, that's fine.
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Um, mostly
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because I, I feel like we're gonna really struggle
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to find things to talk about.
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Um, but, but that's not for you guys to worry about. Well,
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We'll get, we'll get to Nashville next week, but we,
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It's more Yeah.
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Before we, before we focus on not
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having enough stuff to talk about.
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Right. What, what is,
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what model iPhone do you guys have? Ooh,
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I don't know. Okay.
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Let, don't know what it is. Let's,
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let's ask this an easier way.
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Does your, is your silence switch still a switch?
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Or is it now a button? Switch a button. Okay.
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So you've upgraded to the button,
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Alex, you still have the switch?
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Yes. I, I'm gonna urge you as strongly as I can
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to never upgrade your iPhone for the rest of time
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unless they bring back the switch.
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'cause the silence button is the dumbest thing
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that I think iPhone's ever done.
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Interesting.
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Like you can put your hand into your pocket
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and silence your iPhone with the switch and you know,
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because you know that the switch,
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this direction is silent in this direction.
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Sure. It's not silent. It also vibrates in a fun
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way when it's silent.
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Right. The button.
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What makes it fun?
It does like it does
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because it's a click.
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Like it's a satisfying, like sure. Right. Like it's right.
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Yeah. Now the new ones just have like a button
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that vibrates on both silencing and not silencing.
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And if you, I'll never, I'll never
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Change.
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It vibrates a lot more on silence.
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It's a built-in fidget spinner for me.
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Do you like that sound, Tim? Oh yeah.
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Like I'll never, I'll never.
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I've actually had to get a new one
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because I've broken off the switch.
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Yeah. You're gonna hate the new funnel.
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Well, I won't do it. That
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Know more.
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Yeah. Does it vibrate more on on silent or on on loud.
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It vibrates more when you go to silent. Right?
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Right. So why does it vi Here's the thing.
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It, it's confusing you also.
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It's like an acknowledgement of receipt.
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Little buts just letting you know, Hey,
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you hit it, you got it right, you're
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Good. And it also,
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Oh, you're silent then.
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Yeah. It's not differentiated enough.
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And it's harder to remember which is, which also,
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if you turn your phone off
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and then turn it back on, you have to do it again.
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I don't think it, like remembers what position it was in.
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'cause now it, because it's not a
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real position, it's just a stupid button.
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And like you can click it once
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and you don't hold it for enough.
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And so it doesn't go. We're like,
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I always knew a hundred percent
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that my phone was on silent with the switch. So,
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So speaking of iPhone it are, are we just gonna continue,
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I think we touched on this before.
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Are we just gonna go for numbers forever?
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Like the new one that came out Is the iPhone 17?
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Are we gonna at one point be at the iPhone
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136? Like is it just,
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Honestly, I would rather that than trying to come up
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with clever names for everyone.
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Okay. Because like, yeah, 30 years from now,
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what are we gonna like, we can, there's only so many, like,
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Society's going to have collapsed long by then. . That
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Is true.
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It's not gonna be iPhones. In 30
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Years, a AI will have rendered us all
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useless and taken over the world.
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Wait, have you guys seen the, the new meta glasses
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with the hand switch thing
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and like the heads up display and the lens and everything?
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Have you seen that? Mm-hmm .
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No.
Dude. So it's like those,
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those ray band meta glasses with the cameras and stuff,
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but now there was a heads up display on the lens mm-hmm .
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And you wear like a whoop style wristband. Mm-hmm .
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And you can do like, hand movements
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to control like messages, maps.
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So it's augmented reality like Yes.
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At your fingertips now. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. I dunno if it actually works or not,
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but in theory it's trippy.
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I don't know. I still think the greatest
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technology innovation, um,
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Was the automobile
Was no, in 10 60,
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when you get verification codes sent to your phone,
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it automatically like copies it.
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So you just have to hit paste and it goes in. That is
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Absolutely a game changer.
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That's a great point. Yeah.
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That's the greatest thing that, that like
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All this ai smartphones augmented reality.
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Yeah, exactly. Without a doubt.
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And the, the shake to unsend an email,
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that's pretty cool. You could do that.
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That's cool. Not as cool. Yeah. Yeah. You can shake. I
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Didn't know you could do that
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Typing and then you can shake.
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You have to do it within like two minutes, right?
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Yeah. So if you hit send
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and then in 90 seconds, two minutes,
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you're like, I shouldn't have done that.
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If you shake it, it'll take it back.
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So what does that mean though? Does that mean
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that they're like waiting two minutes to send my email?
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Yes.
Basically.
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Huh.
They're not like pulling it back from an
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inbox if it already got to someone.
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So, so they're just so, they're just like,
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it goes into an email purgatory for a second
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or two minutes. I dunno if I
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Like that when I send my email, I want it sent.
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Here's the thing. If it's, it might save you one day if
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matter to the point of two minutes being the difference,
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you should not be able pick the somebody you should have a
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phone call at the very laziest a text message. Good
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Point.
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What if it's like a deadline thing?
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Like if, if somebody's gotta turn in a paper by midnight
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and they send it at 1159, be I made
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It.
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Well then you need to know it needs to be turned in
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by 1157. I don't
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Like that.
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No one, I'm against it. One asked
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You. Right.
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Clearly. Well, let's,
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Let's undo that undo feature for Tim as long
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as we can bring back the switch for the do it human jager.
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I sent you guys what, what I saw.
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Apparently it was only news to me.
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Everybody else had already seen it.
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That they, like they're doing the live translate in
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your AirPods now.
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Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah.
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Again, it's way more helpful if the person you're talking
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to also has AirPods in Yeah.
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And is doing the same thing.
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Or else it's a very one-sided conversation. I,
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I saw a pretty funny, I don't even know if it's a meme,
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but reaction to this announcement.
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And it was like, nail salons are gonna be, uh,
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very different now because you're gonna be able
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to hear what the
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Oh yeah.
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Are saying that. I
Did see that. Mm-hmm . Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah. . I did see that
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The nail techs are saying it.
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Yeah. When they're speaking, speaking their language.
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Now on that translation note, so
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what we were just in France at the Canada House
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that I was telling you guys about last time.
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The wonderful woman who owns a place,
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she spoke decent English, much better than my French,
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but like wanted to tell certain stories at a level
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and into a, a detail
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that she was not comfortable doing in English.
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So I brought up like the Google Translate app
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and it was phenomenal.
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Like I would hit it, she would talk, tell a story, you know,
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two, three minutes long,
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it would transcribe the whole thing.
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I could then relay it to the rest of the group
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and it was like spot on accurate.
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And then it was also really cool
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because I wanted to make sure that I could go back
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and sort of transcribe that conversation
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or like pick out some of the points to like, make sure
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that everybody that was there had some sort of record of it.
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And you're gonna save the entire
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transcript of the conversation.
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So that's been a super helpful app.
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And like even just traveling to all these weird places,
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like taking a picture of a menu
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and having it just instantly be translated.
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Very helpful when you're in a country
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whose language you don't speak.
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Because like, I think I was mentioning this when I got off
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the plane in Hungary in August.
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It was the first time I've ever gotten off the plane in a
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country where I knew literally zero words of the language.
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Not a single one. And it happened again last weekend.
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I don't know a single word in Azerbaijani.
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Do you guys think anybody's ever actually learned a
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language using Duolingo?
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It's a great question. Assume
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I feel like, no.
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I'm gonna assume they learned enough that once they were
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immersed in the place, they could start
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to actually pick up enough
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to become fluent. I don't think you
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Could.
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I'm like, I do, I do my Duolingo every day.
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'cause I like, I just, I have, Hazel does it and my mom
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and I, she does it.
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And we all just try to compete on who can do it first.
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'cause then you get to nudge the others
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and be like, Hey, do your Duolingo.
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Like there's an option in the app that says nudge them
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to like annoy them for not doing it.
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So I purely do it for that reason to annoy Hazel and my mom.
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But like, I've been doing it for a year
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and a half now with Spanish.
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And I don't know how
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to say I've been doing Duolingo in Spanish. What?
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Do you know how to say?
Very little.
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Yeah. It's not set a stone
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I, well but you know,
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I don't know if I wanna actually learn the
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language. I think I just like the app.
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So you know this about me. I'm not a soup guy. Okay.
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Right. I'm not a big soup guy.
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There's like one kind of soup that I like
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and even then I don't love it.
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I just clam
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Chow. Right?
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It is, no, it's not clam. It's not French onion.
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It's chicken tortilla.
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Okay. We can all agree he's wrong. Definitely
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Wrong.
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'cause that's not even like in the top five soups.
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No. Right.
I wouldn't say it's
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Onion soup
Top 10.
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Ah.
It's not top 10 soup.
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It's a top 10 soup. Chicken tortilla is a 10 soup.
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No, it's not every, it is not even week. Every stink.
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It might not even be top 15. No.
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You can't even name 15 soups,
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Bro.
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Sure can can
French onion. Definitely. No. Hold
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On.
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Stop. No, no, don't help him. Let's hear 15 soups.
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But I agree with him. Okay. No
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One cares.
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French, onion, tomato, basil, lobster bisque, clam chowder.
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Chili. Uh oh.
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No potato. I'm not giving you chili soup.
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No, I'm not giving chili soup. Why?
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Because it's not a soup. It's a stew. It's
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More a collectional, a chili.
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It's its own. It's, yeah.
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Okay. Yeah. That
Does a count. Uh,
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Lee and potato. Okay.
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Bean.
That's five. Um,
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Bean with six
Lee and potato bean.
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You missing some good ones?
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Only nine to go, bro.
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Tim said nothing. Okay. I mean, no, Tim,
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I wanna say so many.
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Okay. Well, okay.
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You haven't even gotten to a continent yet.
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There's a continent of other soups
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that you're missing. Really big
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Soups.
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Okay. I mean, all right. I named six soups. Any
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Of the Asian soups you could, but,
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But like, oh, mis
Miso soup.
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Hot and sour miso. Come on.
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Yeah. Yeah. Um, egg drop soup.
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Um, I don't like hot and sour soup. All right. I'm at eight.
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I'm at eight. It's easily, I can think of many more
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before I get to chicken tortilla soup.
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Broccoli. So it's not a good, so
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Soup.
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Mushroom soup. Could've thought it's a great soup
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anyway. No, look, all sos
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Mushroom soups great. Are
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Not great soups.
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You didn't even say chicken noodle.
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You didn't say, uh, cream mushroom.
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You, you get a chicken noodle,
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Which is pretty funny. .
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Alright, look, point is I don't like soup. Okay.
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But I also don't like hot drinks. Right. We know this.
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I don't like coffee. I don't really drink tea.
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I don't like hot chocolate. So maybe that plays into it
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because somebody once put it to me,
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they were like, you don't like soups?
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And I was like, no.
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And I was like, well, like what about it?
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Like a gpac? I'm like, no, that's even grosser.
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That's like a cold soup.
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That's like the only thing good about
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soup is that it's warm.
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And then he was like, well, do you like smoothies?
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I said, well, yeah, I love smoothies.
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And he goes, isn't that kind of a soup?
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And then I got thinking, get out. Holy.
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Isn't if you really think about it.
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Isn't a smoothie just a cold soup in a cup?
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So then why is chili not a soup?
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I think there's an argument there.
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If, if smoothies are a soup.
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I think chili is, although, hold on, let me,
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because chili has like more of the solid stuff.
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The smoothie is like pureed to a stable consistency
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where like chili is fruit.
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A bunch, bunch of solids altogether. Right?
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Right. Yes.
Do you eat it with a spoon?
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I usually have
A Yeah, but ice cream is not a soup.
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If it's melted. It is.
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No. Yeah. It's actually really good when it's like cold.
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Yeah, that's a good one. Just because
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Just because the form is different doesn't mean it's any,
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Okay, let's forget chili for a second.
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Let's focus on smoothie. Okay.
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It's like going back to the whole,
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is a hotdog a sandwich debate?
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Is this smoothie as soup or,
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Or
So then is a milkshake a soup? No.
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'cause it would, it would have to be
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Ingredient.
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That logic. No, it has to
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It.
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Ice cream and milk. Definitely too.
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Well,
Yeah, sorry.
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Plus flavors.
Yeah. So it's a dessert soup.
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Ice cream only really has two ingredients too. Ice and
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Cream. Ice and
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cream.
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Yeah.
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Sugar. Um, okay. You can say no. Okay.
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I'm just saying, I, I'm trying
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to acknowledge my own hypocrisy.
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'cause I was like, I don't like soups, but I love smoothies.
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I mean, so if you, is anything melted than a soup?
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Is anything liquid? A soup? Is butter a soup?
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Li melted butter. The corn popcorn a soup. Yeah,
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But there's a difference, right?
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Because it's not, it's, it's a, it's how you eat it.
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It's a liquid that was made from the solids. I guess.
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Does soup has to be cooked.
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So liquid butter,
Does a soup have to be cooked?
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Is that part of the definition?
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Is it the liquid that you cook's?
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A good question. I'm trying to think if there's examples
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where you don't 'cause like even a cold
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soup, like a GPAC cooked and
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You were worried we weren't gonna
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have anything to talk about. Alex. I don't
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Think a gazpacho is cooked. .
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That's what I'm trying to try.
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I never had it. 'cause I don't like soup.
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I thought a GPAC was cooked and then cooled all.
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That's
What I'm asking. Or it might just be a cold brew
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or it just might be a tomato smoothie.
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Iced coffee or cold brew. Very
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Different.
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No, a tomato smoothie is ketchup. So
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It's ketchup soup. That's,
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There's not even no ketchup's a condiment.
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Relax. Ketchup's not a meal. Ketchup is
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A tomato smoothie.
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I sometimes have a knife to make
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Smoothie.
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It's blended up tomatoes
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with a little bit of sugar in there.
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Is peanut butter in a soup?
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No. 'cause again, that's not an entire meal.
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You don't just get a bowl of peanut butter.
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Like if you took a smoothie and poured it into a bowl,
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Ben.
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But a lot of times you don't have soup
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as a full meal. Hey Ben.
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No, it
Can Ben weigh in on this.
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Ben, I got an honest question, buddy. I love you.
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You are freaking adorable.
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But where did all your hair go? Oh,
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Oh yeah.
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Baby's hair falls out. Sometimes
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The the new ones have to grow in Uncle James.
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It's so funny. You see so much
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before now he looks like a baby.
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Before he looked like a little man.
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Oh, he's got some, he's got a little bit
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of a skull going on.
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He's got the old man haircut going.
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Oh, what's up buddy?
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No, you okay. So you do not, you do not cook gpac Ben.
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Right? I knew that.
I, I was telling Ben. Oh,
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Okay.
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So that's still a soup then.
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So dude, a smoothie's, a soup, a smoothie's, a soup.
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If you put it into a bowl with a spoon.
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Sorry Ben. I didn't realize your dad,
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His ear earphones in or gazpacho is a smoothie.
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I do. Oh, you have one in, or gazpacho is a smoothie.
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That seems weirder to me.
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But like if you just took a smoothie outta the blender
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and poured it into a bowl and ate it with a spoon,
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are you eating a soup or are you being a weirdo?
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Eating a smoothie out of a bowl
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with a soup. With a spoon does.
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Okay. No, here's where it, it all changes. Thank you. I
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Don't think gimme something definitive
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here. 'cause I'm losing my mind.
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I don't, I don't think there's a savory smoothie.
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A smoothie has a sweet element to it.
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It could be a, a very faint sweet element
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and just it's a banana or an acai berry
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or a little bit of honey if, if it's all spinach
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or something.
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Right. It's got some element of sweet to it.
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Whereas there's no sweet soups.
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I mean a tomato soup is probably your closest
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thing to a sweet soup.
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But it's still Yeah. Not served as a sweet item.
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Whereas a smoothie is sweet.
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Okay.
And also no one is
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eating no one.
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If you are eating soup with a straw, you
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have mental problems unless you're in a hospital.
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So there are sweet soups, dessert soups and Asian
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and Scandinavian cultures. There's
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Not
Cares. Warm or chill
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Care?
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No. No one cares about a population dessert.
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A tiny little town that has a traditional thing
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that they make a fricking, I mean Asia
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Has population
Soup.
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But no, I'm saying it's like some small demographic
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of people do this weird thing.
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Vietnam. Come
On .
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It's
Not just a small thing. Alright.
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Alright. Let's
Just say's
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Vietnamese have a dessert soup.
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The Filipinos have a dessert. Soups.
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Scandinavians have a dessert's
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Too far fact check.
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Tim, a staple of this show is we do not fact check.
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So you're going too far. Oh
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No, we don't fact check racing. We fact check dumb
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Stuff.
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I'm just gonna say, I'm just gonna say I was, I was
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very caught off guard by the question
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and I appreciate there's some hypocrisy on my side.
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We can all establish. I think we can all agree
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soups are not smoothies.
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Smoothies are not soups. But it's a little bit weird
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that I like one and not the other.
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'cause I, it's not like I don't like savory stuff.
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It's not like I've just got a sweet tooth
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to use your kind of,
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Okay.
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I think, I think I know,
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I think I know what your problem is. I'm
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Only one use for this.
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You don't like hot liquid?
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I don't, but I don't like gazpacho either.
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No, I know. But you don't like gazpacho
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because really no one likes gpac.
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GPAC is not good. That's not true.
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That's the reason that you don't like soups. Yeah. Um, yeah.
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No that's, I'm saying you don't like hot liquid.
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I don't, I don't, it's not my gym unless hot.
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I do like a hot Todd. We kind of touched on that.
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I kind of said that that was Oh, if
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that was part of the, because I don't drink coffee.
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I don't drink tea. I don't drink hot chocolate.
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Oh yeah, my bad. I wasn't listening. Yeah,
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That's right.
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You, you, you were picking up
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Ben actually I think when we started this.
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Okay. Um, well anyways, we have 20 minutes left guys.
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Uh, yeah, we got a lot to talk about.
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But first off James, what have you been doing travel wise?
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Yeah, so my background's changed again guys.
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Uh, this podcast was supposed
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to be recorded from my hotel room in Baku,
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but an electric change in travel plans meant
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that rather than leaving Baku at 9:30 PM on Monday,
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I left at 2:20 AM Monday
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reason being the original flight would've got me to Italy
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where I am currently at noon on Tuesday on a red eye
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with two layovers going through Doha
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and Frankfurt, which seemed like an ill-advised move
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where this one was just one layover and was half the length
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and got me in a full day sooner.
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Still overnight, but full day sooner was important
510
00:18:15.875 --> 00:18:20.515
because later this week I have to drive a Formula One car
511
00:18:21.095 --> 00:18:24.675
and I figured the earlier I could have my overnight flight
512
00:18:25.175 --> 00:18:26.835
the better so that I can rest
513
00:18:27.455 --> 00:18:31.155
and be prepared to go drive that thing.
514
00:18:31.375 --> 00:18:32.915
And yeah, we kind of alluded
515
00:18:32.975 --> 00:18:35.395
to this when you were getting your seat fit and you
516
00:18:35.395 --> 00:18:37.115
and I happened to be in London at the same time,
517
00:18:37.175 --> 00:18:39.715
but I don't think we've actually like talked about it much.
518
00:18:40.775 --> 00:18:43.115
So what are doing? Why are doing
519
00:18:43.115 --> 00:18:44.115
That?
520
00:18:44.115 --> 00:18:44.835
So yeah, it kinda,
521
00:18:44.995 --> 00:18:48.155
I mean it's been out like they announced it I guess at some
522
00:18:48.155 --> 00:18:51.635
point on F1 tv, but it came out again this weekend
523
00:18:51.635 --> 00:18:52.755
because I guess it's coming up
524
00:18:52.755 --> 00:18:54.315
and all of a sudden everybody paid attention.
525
00:18:55.015 --> 00:18:59.075
So yeah guys, I'm getting to do a a half day
526
00:18:59.865 --> 00:19:04.755
test in a 1-year-old, 2-year-old ha F1 car.
527
00:19:05.375 --> 00:19:06.435
Uh, which is insane.
528
00:19:06.435 --> 00:19:07.995
Which is incredible and which is awesome.
529
00:19:08.615 --> 00:19:11.235
And it's all being done as part of a feature for F1 tv.
530
00:19:12.215 --> 00:19:15.315
So, you know, I've obviously never embraced an F1.
531
00:19:15.345 --> 00:19:17.115
I've never had the chance to test an F1 car.
532
00:19:17.255 --> 00:19:19.875
Unlike my esteemed colleague here, Mr.
533
00:19:20.085 --> 00:19:23.315
Rossi and just being someone that does a lot
534
00:19:23.315 --> 00:19:26.515
of work in F1 now I've been like trying to find a way
535
00:19:26.535 --> 00:19:30.395
to angle my way into a car for three
536
00:19:30.395 --> 00:19:31.435
and a half years now mm-hmm .
537
00:19:32.295 --> 00:19:33.875
And it was always a long shot.
538
00:19:33.935 --> 00:19:35.875
It was never something I ever thought I would actually get.
539
00:19:35.995 --> 00:19:38.035
I thought maybe at some point someone would offer me the
540
00:19:38.035 --> 00:19:40.355
chance to test like some vintage F1 car.
541
00:19:40.555 --> 00:19:42.795
I could still say I drove an F1 car or whatever, whatever.
542
00:19:44.305 --> 00:19:46.715
This opportunity came up through a very good friend
543
00:19:46.715 --> 00:19:48.955
of mine named Stuart Morrison, who works for ha
544
00:19:50.095 --> 00:19:51.385
I've known Stu for a long time.
545
00:19:52.165 --> 00:19:55.265
And he saw an opportunity through a day
546
00:19:55.265 --> 00:19:57.425
that they're doing at this track in Italy called ma,
547
00:19:57.515 --> 00:19:59.665
which is a bike track primarily.
548
00:19:59.725 --> 00:20:03.185
But F1 did race there like once or twice in over COVID
549
00:20:04.685 --> 00:20:06.665
and hold some strings.
550
00:20:06.665 --> 00:20:09.025
And I talked to the guys at F1 tv, he talked
551
00:20:09.025 --> 00:20:10.865
to the guys at Haas and we managed
552
00:20:10.865 --> 00:20:12.785
to put together a half day run
553
00:20:12.805 --> 00:20:15.265
for me in this thing, which is insane.
554
00:20:15.535 --> 00:20:18.505
Like it's exciting for all the reasons that are obvious,
555
00:20:18.935 --> 00:20:20.385
like getting to drive an F1 car.
556
00:20:20.655 --> 00:20:24.105
It's not like five laps on demo tires. It's like a half day.
557
00:20:24.105 --> 00:20:26.025
There's a run plan, it's like a program.
558
00:20:26.635 --> 00:20:28.105
We're gonna do a bunch of different stuff,
559
00:20:28.115 --> 00:20:29.665
which I'm really excited about.
560
00:20:29.925 --> 00:20:31.745
But dude, I was thinking about it a little bit
561
00:20:31.965 --> 00:20:36.065
and I've got a feeling that like this has a chance,
562
00:20:36.455 --> 00:20:39.985
this has a potential to be the fastest era
563
00:20:40.125 --> 00:20:41.785
of formula one in history
564
00:20:42.615 --> 00:20:47.565
because the amount of downforce they generate now is insane.
565
00:20:47.945 --> 00:20:50.405
Mm-hmm . The mm-hmm combustion engine.
566
00:20:50.405 --> 00:20:53.445
Hybrid engine combo is like a thousand words.
567
00:20:53.515 --> 00:20:56.925
It's a ton of power. And the
568
00:20:56.925 --> 00:20:58.765
2026 regs are very different.
569
00:20:58.765 --> 00:21:00.685
Faster straight line, way slower in the corners.
570
00:21:00.925 --> 00:21:03.925
Probably gonna be slower over overlap in 2030 when they go
571
00:21:03.955 --> 00:21:06.085
back to V eight, the cars are gonna be smaller,
572
00:21:06.485 --> 00:21:08.805
probably less arrow and, and probably not as much downforce.
573
00:21:09.385 --> 00:21:11.525
So there's a, there's a chance that this is like,
574
00:21:11.665 --> 00:21:13.005
at least the highest downforce,
575
00:21:13.065 --> 00:21:15.925
the hiring highest quartering speeds kind of F1 car
576
00:21:16.155 --> 00:21:17.445
that there will ever be.
577
00:21:17.945 --> 00:21:19.805
And getting to, to test one of these
578
00:21:20.345 --> 00:21:22.205
in like a relatively current spec
579
00:21:22.345 --> 00:21:23.445
is a pretty cool proposition.
580
00:21:24.045 --> 00:21:27.765
I, yeah, but here's, here's what, um,
581
00:21:29.235 --> 00:21:32.215
here's what's so cool about F1 cars
582
00:21:32.435 --> 00:21:35.015
and what you're gonna realize the moment you
583
00:21:35.015 --> 00:21:36.135
leave the garage for the first time.
584
00:21:36.155 --> 00:21:37.935
And I want you to think about me telling you this
585
00:21:38.525 --> 00:21:39.735
because when you do it,
586
00:21:39.735 --> 00:21:41.455
you're gonna be like, oh, I get it now.
587
00:21:43.765 --> 00:21:47.065
It doesn't matter if it's the current spec
588
00:21:48.365 --> 00:21:50.265
two years old, this generation,
589
00:21:50.335 --> 00:21:52.105
last generation, the future generation.
590
00:21:52.665 --> 00:21:54.425
I think you're right. Like you're definitely driving
591
00:21:55.065 --> 00:21:56.265
probably what will be the quickest.
592
00:21:56.845 --> 00:21:59.465
But even driving the absolute heaps of <inaudible>
593
00:21:59.935 --> 00:22:04.665
that I was fortunate enough to race , it still was,
594
00:22:05.085 --> 00:22:07.505
it still was the greatest piece
595
00:22:07.505 --> 00:22:08.545
of machinery I've ever driven.
596
00:22:08.655 --> 00:22:10.865
Yeah. Yeah. And it's just it,
597
00:22:11.525 --> 00:22:15.425
and so like I'm just happy for you that you get to, you get
598
00:22:15.425 --> 00:22:17.945
to tick that box because Yeah, you can,
599
00:22:18.045 --> 00:22:19.625
you can thi you can hear about it
600
00:22:20.325 --> 00:22:23.105
and you, you are very intellectual obviously,
601
00:22:23.125 --> 00:22:24.985
and you've been around racing for a very long time,
602
00:22:25.005 --> 00:22:28.025
so you understand like what the capabilities are,
603
00:22:28.605 --> 00:22:31.185
but until you actually sit in the thing for the first time
604
00:22:31.485 --> 00:22:34.035
and you actually go do a day,
605
00:22:35.155 --> 00:22:36.485
it's, it's just cool.
606
00:22:36.545 --> 00:22:38.365
You, you just can't help but have a smile on your face
607
00:22:38.365 --> 00:22:41.365
because it's like everything that you've been chasing
608
00:22:42.145 --> 00:22:45.005
as a professional race car driver, it finally happens.
609
00:22:45.505 --> 00:22:47.085
You and you finally can come in
610
00:22:47.085 --> 00:22:48.765
and you're like, they're like, how's the balance?
611
00:22:48.785 --> 00:22:52.185
And you're like, good. It's good.
612
00:22:53.695 --> 00:22:54.695
What do you need
613
00:22:56.055 --> 00:22:58.145
More talent, tires
Just, yeah.
614
00:22:58.455 --> 00:23:00.025
Just, I need to be better.
615
00:23:00.895 --> 00:23:03.545
Yeah. You tell me what, what do I need?
616
00:23:03.655 --> 00:23:04.665
What do I need to do
617
00:23:04.665 --> 00:23:05.665
Better?
618
00:23:05.665 --> 00:23:07.065
Yeah. Yeah. It's really, really cool.
619
00:23:07.325 --> 00:23:09.385
So I'm fun for you man. That's awesome. I'm excited.
620
00:23:09.385 --> 00:23:10.745
It's like, it's like, and
621
00:23:11.295 --> 00:23:12.785
Fingers crossed the weather's good.
622
00:23:13.005 --> 00:23:15.825
The region at the moment is not the greatest forecast,
623
00:23:16.285 --> 00:23:17.665
but I think it's one of those things
624
00:23:17.665 --> 00:23:20.105
where like it's gonna rain at some point in the day.
625
00:23:20.265 --> 00:23:21.825
I just hope it's the afternoon and not the morning
626
00:23:21.885 --> 00:23:23.265
or I hope it's like overnight
627
00:23:23.405 --> 00:23:27.185
and my four hours of running is relatively fine.
628
00:23:27.845 --> 00:23:29.385
Um, 'cause the other thing is mm-hmm.
629
00:23:29.385 --> 00:23:31.065
It's at ma jello, which is hilarious.
630
00:23:31.265 --> 00:23:33.705
'cause all the guys that I was talking to about this,
631
00:23:33.705 --> 00:23:37.105
they're like, oh man, when we raced there in 20
632
00:23:37.165 --> 00:23:39.705
or 21, they're like, my neck's never been so sore.
633
00:23:40.125 --> 00:23:42.065
And these guys are like career F1 drivers.
634
00:23:42.165 --> 00:23:43.945
And it's like, why is this the first place?
635
00:23:43.945 --> 00:23:46.965
Like I've not driven an open wheel car in anger since 2021.
636
00:23:47.715 --> 00:23:49.285
I've been doing what I can in the gym,
637
00:23:49.825 --> 00:23:52.285
but as you know, there's nothing you can do in the gym
638
00:23:52.435 --> 00:23:55.445
that makes your neck ready for even an Indy car.
639
00:23:55.745 --> 00:23:57.565
But honestly, honestly, honestly, burl,
640
00:23:57.605 --> 00:23:59.125
I wouldn't worry about it because it,
641
00:23:59.305 --> 00:24:01.125
you could be at fricking Mazda
642
00:24:01.465 --> 00:24:03.165
and your neck would be screwed.
643
00:24:03.665 --> 00:24:05.205
So it doesn't matter. So like
644
00:24:05.275 --> 00:24:07.285
It'd be less screwed at Monza than it will
645
00:24:07.285 --> 00:24:08.325
be a evangel, but
646
00:24:08.475 --> 00:24:09.525
Sure wouldn't. Nope.
647
00:24:09.595 --> 00:24:10.595
Well, it's still the breaking
648
00:24:10.595 --> 00:24:11.565
Right?
649
00:24:11.565 --> 00:24:13.245
Disagree. I disagree. Yeah.
650
00:24:13.475 --> 00:24:15.685
There's nothing that you can do that will get you ready
651
00:24:15.705 --> 00:24:16.965
for it because it Yeah.
652
00:24:16.965 --> 00:24:17.965
Just is gonna kick your ass.
653
00:24:18.385 --> 00:24:19.365
So I'm just gonna pat it out.
654
00:24:19.365 --> 00:24:20.485
But I've, that's working really hard
655
00:24:20.485 --> 00:24:21.485
On the coolness of it.
656
00:24:21.655 --> 00:24:23.645
Right. I've been working really hard on like the
657
00:24:23.685 --> 00:24:25.845
longitudinal element of my neck training
658
00:24:25.845 --> 00:24:29.005
because you can't stop your head from like looking down.
659
00:24:29.325 --> 00:24:30.525
I can put pads on the side
660
00:24:30.545 --> 00:24:32.205
so laterally you can have some help,
661
00:24:32.705 --> 00:24:33.925
but like if you just hit the brake
662
00:24:34.065 --> 00:24:37.405
and don't do that, oh, I'm 100% doing that.
663
00:24:38.845 --> 00:24:40.685
Absolutely. I'm not, I'm not,
664
00:24:40.855 --> 00:24:41.855
Don't do that.
665
00:24:42.065 --> 00:24:43.525
No, I'm not too proud to be like, no,
666
00:24:43.525 --> 00:24:45.165
I don't need a pad, I need a pad.
667
00:24:45.265 --> 00:24:48.045
I'm gonna, I need a pet bro. I'm gonna pad it, dude.
668
00:24:48.725 --> 00:24:50.165
Absolutely not. Absolutely not.
669
00:24:50.555 --> 00:24:55.445
I'll be patting 1000% so disappointed.
670
00:24:55.705 --> 00:24:58.645
Oh, that's devastating. You're the only one.
671
00:24:59.005 --> 00:25:01.125
Everyone else is like, dude, totally pat up.
672
00:25:01.125 --> 00:25:03.605
Like, don't even try . Oh, come on.
673
00:25:03.605 --> 00:25:05.895
Either way, it's gonna be great.
674
00:25:06.085 --> 00:25:08.855
It's gonna be a fun feature on F1 tv, so
675
00:25:09.745 --> 00:25:10.875
sign up for that if you don't already.
676
00:25:10.875 --> 00:25:13.155
That's awesome. That's awesome. That's awesome.
677
00:25:13.185 --> 00:25:15.395
Yeah. Um, so that's why we're in Elite. And then, yeah,
678
00:25:19.615 --> 00:25:21.635
So last question I have on that,
679
00:25:21.905 --> 00:25:24.195
like obviously two years ago
680
00:25:24.195 --> 00:25:25.355
these cards are pretty advanced.
681
00:25:25.425 --> 00:25:28.195
Like how has your homework and preparation
682
00:25:28.255 --> 00:25:29.915
and such been going into this
683
00:25:30.405 --> 00:25:33.315
Whole, so I got given situation a, um, pamphlet,
684
00:25:33.755 --> 00:25:38.035
a notebook, a document as you would imagine. Was it, um,
685
00:25:38.335 --> 00:25:41.035
Is it as cool by chance as what I had um,
686
00:25:41.505 --> 00:25:43.155
with Penske and Acura?
687
00:25:43.155 --> 00:25:44.515
No, with the DPI car? No, with like a
688
00:25:45.155 --> 00:25:46.155
Bummer.
689
00:25:46.155 --> 00:25:47.715
It's, there's not an iPad with like tests
690
00:25:48.055 --> 00:25:49.915
and uh, animated steering wheel.
691
00:25:50.255 --> 00:25:53.115
No, no. Yeah, it's actually, it's actually
692
00:25:54.035 --> 00:25:57.515
surprisingly straightforward for how complex the cars are
693
00:25:57.515 --> 00:25:59.075
because they've Yeah.
694
00:25:59.075 --> 00:26:00.715
Automated so much of it. Right.
695
00:26:01.055 --> 00:26:03.555
And I'm obviously not gonna be like tuning the thing
696
00:26:03.575 --> 00:26:05.235
to the nth degree of its life.
697
00:26:06.395 --> 00:26:08.635
I know the basics. I know. Should I,
698
00:26:08.895 --> 00:26:11.115
You should definitely, you should definitely dick around
699
00:26:11.345 --> 00:26:12.875
with the diff Yeah, because it's cool.
700
00:26:12.935 --> 00:26:15.035
I'm gonna mess around with that. That's just the fact
701
00:26:15.035 --> 00:26:16.955
that you can do that on the flip of,
702
00:26:16.955 --> 00:26:18.795
of a rotary is incredible. Yeah.
703
00:26:19.705 --> 00:26:21.115
Yeah.
Um, balance
704
00:26:21.115 --> 00:26:22.195
And then you'll you'll to chase
705
00:26:22.615 --> 00:26:24.275
and break balance stuff For sure. Balance.
706
00:26:24.275 --> 00:26:26.955
Yeah. So that stuff I'm excited to just try and,
707
00:26:26.955 --> 00:26:29.555
and then like the other thing is like understanding the,
708
00:26:30.015 --> 00:26:31.475
the recharge and deployment.
709
00:26:32.935 --> 00:26:34.255
'cause obviously it's quite a bit different than,
710
00:26:34.255 --> 00:26:35.415
than the IndyCar system.
711
00:26:35.955 --> 00:26:40.815
You know, you can, you can burn it all over a lap to
712
00:26:41.335 --> 00:26:42.695
maximize a single lap.
713
00:26:43.265 --> 00:26:47.125
You can do it so that it burns, it's, it regens exactly
714
00:26:47.145 --> 00:26:48.565
as much as it burns and you kind
715
00:26:48.565 --> 00:26:50.165
of keep the battery at a certain state.
716
00:26:50.165 --> 00:26:51.525
So if you ever need like it for over.
717
00:26:51.665 --> 00:26:53.725
So just kinda learning a little bit more about
718
00:26:53.725 --> 00:26:54.765
how those systems work.
719
00:26:55.365 --> 00:26:57.405
'cause even after the race and backhoe, you know, talking
720
00:26:57.405 --> 00:26:59.885
to some of the guys in the post ratio,
721
00:26:59.955 --> 00:27:01.565
they were talking about energy management
722
00:27:01.565 --> 00:27:03.005
and how like, oh yeah, this guy got by me
723
00:27:03.125 --> 00:27:04.125
'cause I I didn't have enough
724
00:27:04.125 --> 00:27:05.445
energy at this point or whatever.
725
00:27:05.635 --> 00:27:07.325
Like it's a pretty big part of,
726
00:27:07.585 --> 00:27:10.565
of F1 racing right now is drivers being smart
727
00:27:10.565 --> 00:27:11.605
with their energy management.
728
00:27:11.785 --> 00:27:13.845
So yeah, just, just learning about that side
729
00:27:13.845 --> 00:27:15.845
and that's the whole point of this, right? Like you mean
730
00:27:15.845 --> 00:27:17.325
Every, everything that IndyCar hybrid
731
00:27:17.425 --> 00:27:18.685
should have been Correct.
732
00:27:19.025 --> 00:27:21.725
So a huge part of this is so
733
00:27:21.725 --> 00:27:23.645
that I have a better understanding of
734
00:27:23.645 --> 00:27:25.645
what the drivers are going through as a quote unquote driver
735
00:27:25.645 --> 00:27:27.085
analyst in F1.
736
00:27:27.945 --> 00:27:30.045
The more I can understand about what the drivers are going
737
00:27:30.045 --> 00:27:31.445
through and what they're dealing with and,
738
00:27:31.545 --> 00:27:34.605
and you know, what tools they have, uh, at their disposal,
739
00:27:34.625 --> 00:27:35.645
the better I can do my job.
740
00:27:35.705 --> 00:27:38.805
So that was, uh, a big part of the push.
741
00:27:39.385 --> 00:27:43.085
And F1 TV bought it suckers and Haass bought it suckers
742
00:27:43.625 --> 00:27:45.165
and, uh, no, I'm kidding.
743
00:27:45.165 --> 00:27:46.805
It's gonna be great. I'm, I'm really, really excited.
744
00:27:46.805 --> 00:27:48.565
Really, really excited. I just hope the weather holds out
745
00:27:48.565 --> 00:27:50.485
so everybody do an anti rainin dance for Friday.
746
00:27:50.555 --> 00:27:51.645
That would be greatly appreciated.
747
00:27:52.105 --> 00:27:54.125
And, uh, deal, watch this space for more updates.
748
00:27:54.865 --> 00:27:56.445
Um, but can't wait man.
749
00:27:56.645 --> 00:27:58.605
Speaking of F1 while we're there, uh,
750
00:27:59.105 --> 00:28:01.685
the race is on the weekend, did you watch
751
00:28:02.105 --> 00:28:03.285
and you think, Ben, did you watch,
752
00:28:03.555 --> 00:28:04.565
were you watching with daddy?
753
00:28:05.005 --> 00:28:06.725
I, um, I watched, uh,
754
00:28:06.865 --> 00:28:09.285
the last 14 laps, which is all I needed to see.
755
00:28:09.985 --> 00:28:11.005
Did you watch qualifying?
756
00:28:11.165 --> 00:28:12.645
'cause the race was actually quite dull
757
00:28:12.795 --> 00:28:15.725
because qualifying was insane. I
758
00:28:16.035 --> 00:28:16.925
Fast forwarded through
759
00:28:16.925 --> 00:28:19.325
qualifying, so I saw the key moments. Yes. Well,
760
00:28:19.325 --> 00:28:20.325
Yeah.
761
00:28:20.325 --> 00:28:22.645
So you, you fast forward the hour of filling that we had
762
00:28:22.645 --> 00:28:25.965
to do because of the six red flags, correct? Yes,
763
00:28:25.965 --> 00:28:26.965
Correct.
764
00:28:27.125 --> 00:28:28.285
I think it's important.
765
00:28:29.085 --> 00:28:30.645
I I didn't like how many memes
766
00:28:30.665 --> 00:28:32.685
and stuff afterwards we're talking about.
767
00:28:32.685 --> 00:28:35.365
Like, like I saw this one, this one tweet of course
768
00:28:35.795 --> 00:28:38.525
that summed it up in the most dramatic way, which was
769
00:28:39.455 --> 00:28:42.405
after watching that, I never want to hear anybody say,
770
00:28:42.405 --> 00:28:45.365
these are the 20 best drivers in the world ever again.
771
00:28:45.665 --> 00:28:47.085
And it's like, okay, first of all,
772
00:28:47.145 --> 00:28:48.645
we all acknowledge there's a lot of very good drivers
773
00:28:48.645 --> 00:28:51.885
that aren't in Formula one, but you're insinuation is
774
00:28:51.885 --> 00:28:53.445
that these guys aren't that good.
775
00:28:53.585 --> 00:28:55.365
And that's why there were so many accidents.
776
00:28:55.795 --> 00:28:58.085
It's like, dude, trying to understand
777
00:28:58.395 --> 00:29:01.005
what driving a car like that around a track like that
778
00:29:01.115 --> 00:29:04.285
with 30 mile an hour gusts of wind is like, it's
779
00:29:04.285 --> 00:29:06.245
so infuriating hearing people try
780
00:29:06.245 --> 00:29:08.125
to Monday morning quarterback that stuff.
781
00:29:09.085 --> 00:29:11.165
I mean it was hard like you were standing in Penland,
782
00:29:11.165 --> 00:29:12.205
you could feel the gust.
783
00:29:12.205 --> 00:29:15.525
Like imagine going into turn one at Baku 340 kilometers an
784
00:29:15.525 --> 00:29:16.645
hour and then right
785
00:29:16.645 --> 00:29:18.045
before you hit the brakes there's just a 30,
786
00:29:18.105 --> 00:29:20.525
30 mile an hour tailwind gust.
787
00:29:20.645 --> 00:29:21.725
Nobody's making that corner.
788
00:29:21.995 --> 00:29:23.605
Nope. No, no, no.
789
00:29:23.675 --> 00:29:26.405
It's the, I watched the onboards, I never got to race there,
790
00:29:26.405 --> 00:29:29.525
but I watched the onboards, um,
791
00:29:30.675 --> 00:29:33.245
from these guys and it's just like, I don't even understand,
792
00:29:33.645 --> 00:29:35.205
I don't understand how they make it
793
00:29:35.205 --> 00:29:37.365
through a third of the corners.
794
00:29:37.835 --> 00:29:40.485
Yeah. Like it is so tight, but it's so quick
795
00:29:40.705 --> 00:29:43.125
and committed at the same time. Um,
796
00:29:43.235 --> 00:29:44.445
That castle section isn't the same.
797
00:29:44.505 --> 00:29:48.005
The fact, oh it's an, it's ridiculous man.
798
00:29:48.185 --> 00:29:49.685
So once again,
799
00:29:49.685 --> 00:29:51.645
like the internet's full of a bunch of idiots.
800
00:29:51.785 --> 00:29:53.885
Uh, but I don't, I I wouldn't even,
801
00:29:54.045 --> 00:29:56.285
I wouldn't have even thought that as like a,
802
00:29:57.395 --> 00:30:00.365
that wouldn't even be something that came to mind is like,
803
00:30:00.365 --> 00:30:02.045
oh, I can't believe these guys suck so much.
804
00:30:02.045 --> 00:30:03.125
There were so many red flags.
805
00:30:03.155 --> 00:30:04.645
Like the first thing that would come to my mind
806
00:30:04.645 --> 00:30:07.245
and I'm pretty judgmental , the first thing that come
807
00:30:07.245 --> 00:30:10.245
to my mind is like, it's hard.
808
00:30:10.345 --> 00:30:12.925
And like when you have sprinkles of rain as well,
809
00:30:12.925 --> 00:30:15.405
like people forget that you're on like slick tires
810
00:30:16.265 --> 00:30:20.125
and they don't do well with any sort of moisture whatsoever
811
00:30:20.625 --> 00:30:24.445
and you're driving a race car at 160 miles an hour,
812
00:30:24.495 --> 00:30:26.725
three inches from a wall, it's pretty easy
813
00:30:26.865 --> 00:30:30.085
to have a little mistake and to uh, put in the tires.
814
00:30:30.445 --> 00:30:33.565
I will say it is surprising to see And
815
00:30:33.565 --> 00:30:37.485
and this is just a affirmation of how difficult it is
816
00:30:37.485 --> 00:30:40.525
because how often do you see Oscar ptri make a mistake?
817
00:30:40.695 --> 00:30:43.405
Right? How often do you see Char make a mistake,
818
00:30:43.405 --> 00:30:45.085
especially at Baku, like that's kind
819
00:30:45.085 --> 00:30:46.565
of his backyard in terms of
820
00:30:46.755 --> 00:30:48.285
what the success more consecutive run
821
00:30:48.285 --> 00:30:49.325
that he's been on lately.
822
00:30:49.515 --> 00:30:51.805
Yeah. And qualifying, he had like a 15 mile an hour
823
00:30:51.885 --> 00:30:53.765
tailwind, which is not nothing.
824
00:30:53.905 --> 00:30:55.565
So that contributed to that the race.
825
00:30:55.705 --> 00:30:57.165
He just made a mistake on the start
826
00:30:57.625 --> 00:31:00.965
and then kind of just made a misjudgment it I think on the
827
00:31:00.965 --> 00:31:02.405
actual lap where he went out.
828
00:31:03.105 --> 00:31:05.085
Um, but those things compound a little bit.
829
00:31:05.705 --> 00:31:07.125
The McLaren did not have the pa like
830
00:31:07.125 --> 00:31:08.165
the race was supposed to be.
831
00:31:08.165 --> 00:31:09.805
It was expected to be a lot sportier
832
00:31:09.955 --> 00:31:11.205
with all those cars outta position,
833
00:31:11.385 --> 00:31:13.685
but it was just so hard to race because there was no day.
834
00:31:14.025 --> 00:31:17.005
So everybody could just cruise around, hit a lap time,
835
00:31:17.265 --> 00:31:18.925
go faster as a fuel burned off and,
836
00:31:18.925 --> 00:31:20.845
and there was no real opportunity for people to pass.
837
00:31:20.985 --> 00:31:23.525
What's crazy to me is you can have a two kilometer long
838
00:31:23.845 --> 00:31:27.605
straight with a DRS zone and still it's impossible to pass.
839
00:31:27.825 --> 00:31:29.365
So like the DRS zone, there's clearly not
840
00:31:29.545 --> 00:31:30.545
Big enough.
841
00:31:30.545 --> 00:31:31.925
Let's, let's fast, let's fast forward, let's fast forward
842
00:31:32.545 --> 00:31:34.525
or I don't know, let's fast forward
843
00:31:34.665 --> 00:31:35.925
to that part of the race.
844
00:31:36.315 --> 00:31:38.765
Well, okay, no, let's do a quick summary of qualifying.
845
00:31:38.785 --> 00:31:40.685
So Max curb stomped everyone.
846
00:31:40.945 --> 00:31:42.885
Um, yeah, a lot of quick cars
847
00:31:43.115 --> 00:31:45.405
that were in contention were not in contention
848
00:31:45.525 --> 00:31:46.605
'cause they had three corners on them.
849
00:31:47.265 --> 00:31:50.805
Um, it was also very disrupted session with all
850
00:31:50.805 --> 00:31:52.045
of the reds as we said.
851
00:31:52.145 --> 00:31:55.685
But Max, um, as he does capitalize when everyone else can't,
852
00:31:55.785 --> 00:31:58.405
Carlos signs starting on the front row with him.
853
00:31:58.405 --> 00:32:03.165
Incredible. Uh, Liam Lawson starting third right.
854
00:32:03.585 --> 00:32:07.365
Was a huge result for him, especially in a time
855
00:32:07.415 --> 00:32:09.365
where he's under serious pressure
856
00:32:09.425 --> 00:32:11.885
to continue having a career in Formula One.
857
00:32:12.105 --> 00:32:13.645
And I would say those were the high.
858
00:32:13.705 --> 00:32:15.765
Oh, the other thing that was very surprising
859
00:32:15.865 --> 00:32:18.365
and disappointing for me in, in some ways, so,
860
00:32:18.465 --> 00:32:22.085
so Ptri crashed in Q3, he had put a lap time on the board.
861
00:32:22.385 --> 00:32:25.605
Um, so he was only gonna be ninth, is
862
00:32:25.605 --> 00:32:27.165
that correct? Did he start ninth? Yes.
863
00:32:27.355 --> 00:32:30.685
Because because, uh, LA Clara already crashed before
864
00:32:30.685 --> 00:32:31.685
That.
865
00:32:31.685 --> 00:32:33.005
Yeah. And, and I, and I was expecting, all right,
866
00:32:33.005 --> 00:32:34.605
this ISO's shot, you know, he's,
867
00:32:34.715 --> 00:32:37.165
he's miles back in the championship at this point.
868
00:32:38.025 --> 00:32:41.065
His teammates out in qualifying his biggest threat,
869
00:32:41.175 --> 00:32:44.145
like he needs to start at least on the front row.
870
00:32:44.175 --> 00:32:45.665
Like, okay, he might not be Max,
871
00:32:45.685 --> 00:32:48.065
but he's got the, the tools to, to start on the front row
872
00:32:48.085 --> 00:32:49.265
and he only qualified seventh.
873
00:32:49.565 --> 00:32:52.705
So already there, you know, Oscar was breathing,
874
00:32:52.705 --> 00:32:54.825
breathing a sigh of relief that
875
00:32:55.555 --> 00:32:58.225
Lando hadn't capitalized more on Saturday when,
876
00:32:58.255 --> 00:33:00.385
when he was a bystander watching at that point.
877
00:33:00.605 --> 00:33:02.225
Yes. It's a, it's an interesting point.
878
00:33:02.505 --> 00:33:04.585
I mean, part of me and I, I kind
879
00:33:04.585 --> 00:33:06.305
of made this argument in the post show
880
00:33:06.305 --> 00:33:07.785
that I don't think the McLaren was
881
00:33:07.785 --> 00:33:09.185
that good in those conditions, right?
882
00:33:09.375 --> 00:33:12.185
What McLaren's been so good at this year is managing tires.
883
00:33:12.725 --> 00:33:14.985
And that comes into play when there's de
884
00:33:15.085 --> 00:33:16.465
and it's hot and there's no dig.
885
00:33:16.465 --> 00:33:18.225
And it was cool. So I don't think they
886
00:33:18.245 --> 00:33:19.425
had the massive advantage.
887
00:33:19.845 --> 00:33:21.745
He did make a mistake on his qualifying lap.
888
00:33:21.765 --> 00:33:24.665
So like, yes, he did not maximize Q3.
889
00:33:24.665 --> 00:33:25.865
Yeah, I don't think he was gonna,
890
00:33:25.865 --> 00:33:27.185
even if he hadn't brushed the wall,
891
00:33:27.185 --> 00:33:28.385
he wasn't gonna be Max's pace,
892
00:33:28.385 --> 00:33:29.625
he wasn't gonna be Carlos's pace,
893
00:33:29.965 --> 00:33:31.305
but I don't think the McLaren was actually
894
00:33:31.565 --> 00:33:32.865
as strong in those conditions.
895
00:33:33.645 --> 00:33:35.545
He led, he led P three though,
896
00:33:35.565 --> 00:33:36.665
bro, which was that morning.
897
00:33:36.665 --> 00:33:38.425
Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know that I agree with that.
898
00:33:38.965 --> 00:33:43.505
He did, Devin got a lot cooler in, uh, in qualifying.
899
00:33:43.505 --> 00:33:46.465
Okay. Um, but yes, no, he did not maximize. Okay.
900
00:33:46.465 --> 00:33:48.545
He did not maximize. That is true. That is true.
901
00:33:48.725 --> 00:33:52.345
So then we go to the race and everyone's expecting all the
902
00:33:52.345 --> 00:33:54.905
cars outta position, both McLaren, both Ferraris
903
00:33:55.365 --> 00:33:56.425
to make headway
904
00:33:56.965 --> 00:34:00.105
and the other cars conversely outta position the science
905
00:34:00.285 --> 00:34:02.265
and the Lawsons of the world
906
00:34:02.445 --> 00:34:03.865
to maybe fall back a little bit.
907
00:34:05.355 --> 00:34:06.455
Not exactly how it happened.
908
00:34:06.675 --> 00:34:08.615
Max again stormed everybody
909
00:34:08.795 --> 00:34:11.255
and made it look easy as Max does.
910
00:34:11.315 --> 00:34:12.815
George Russell, your favorite
911
00:34:13.575 --> 00:34:15.255
actually drove a really good race, sick all
912
00:34:15.255 --> 00:34:17.095
weekend, did a great job.
913
00:34:17.255 --> 00:34:18.375
I hate to say it, I don't wanna
914
00:34:18.375 --> 00:34:19.415
upset you, but you did a good job.
915
00:34:19.435 --> 00:34:20.455
But how about Carlos signs?
916
00:34:20.455 --> 00:34:23.375
Listen, credit work credits due, credit work credits do.
917
00:34:23.555 --> 00:34:25.735
Um, Carlos signs, man, I'm, I'm happy for him.
918
00:34:25.795 --> 00:34:29.895
You know, it was, uh, it was one of those weird situations,
919
00:34:30.155 --> 00:34:31.935
um, very willpower
920
00:34:32.115 --> 00:34:35.455
and Penske esque in the sense that, well,
921
00:34:35.495 --> 00:34:38.055
I guess the one difference is Carlos was replaced
922
00:34:38.055 --> 00:34:41.015
by Louis Hamilton and Will was replaced by David Lucas.
923
00:34:41.875 --> 00:34:46.095
Um, but still someone who is doing a very good job
924
00:34:46.275 --> 00:34:48.735
for the team that they're driving for is well liked
925
00:34:49.045 --> 00:34:52.655
amongst the team, is competitive with his
926
00:34:53.295 --> 00:34:54.895
superstar teammate in in Char.
927
00:34:55.655 --> 00:34:59.215
Char loves him. Carlos is doing, they're doing nothing wrong
928
00:34:59.475 --> 00:35:02.865
and, and really elevating the team when he can
929
00:35:02.865 --> 00:35:04.505
and has the opportunity and challenging for race wins
930
00:35:04.505 --> 00:35:06.345
and backing up char and, and all this sort of thing.
931
00:35:07.765 --> 00:35:12.225
And he gets, he gets replaced, um, by somebody, uh,
932
00:35:12.405 --> 00:35:15.505
who ultimately once, as we've seen this year, once
933
00:35:15.735 --> 00:35:19.105
that somebody is in the car wasn't, isn't doing as good
934
00:35:19.105 --> 00:35:22.385
of a, of a job as Carlos had done.
935
00:35:22.885 --> 00:35:25.545
And I think especially for Carlos having
936
00:35:25.545 --> 00:35:29.065
to take such a far step down, um, in the team
937
00:35:29.065 --> 00:35:30.545
that he ended up for and Williams this year.
938
00:35:30.545 --> 00:35:33.065
Now Williams is obviously exceptionally better than they
939
00:35:33.065 --> 00:35:34.385
have been over the past three years,
940
00:35:34.805 --> 00:35:36.625
but still you're going from Ferrari to Williams.
941
00:35:36.625 --> 00:35:38.885
You're not, not going from Ferrari to Mercedes
942
00:35:38.985 --> 00:35:40.685
or Ferrari to McLaren or whatever, right?
943
00:35:41.385 --> 00:35:44.285
And so for him to have to come to terms with that
944
00:35:44.465 --> 00:35:46.245
and realize that he's gonna be a part
945
00:35:46.385 --> 00:35:48.005
of a rebuilding process
946
00:35:48.385 --> 00:35:52.285
and a rebuilding program, which has a lot of upside to it
947
00:35:52.425 --> 00:35:53.885
and has a huge amount of benefits to it,
948
00:35:53.905 --> 00:35:57.645
and clearly he's with a team that supports him massively
949
00:35:57.645 --> 00:35:59.325
and, and loves that he's a part of it.
950
00:35:59.325 --> 00:36:01.045
So it's a good environment for him to be in.
951
00:36:01.045 --> 00:36:03.605
But still as a racing driver, you know, James, that's a,
952
00:36:03.705 --> 00:36:06.205
that's a tough pill to swallow, especially as I kind
953
00:36:06.205 --> 00:36:08.085
of mentioned, when the guy that replaced you isn't really
954
00:36:08.085 --> 00:36:09.325
doing a better job than you were.
955
00:36:09.745 --> 00:36:13.125
So for him to go out, for him to execute and qualifying
956
00:36:13.745 --> 00:36:15.005
and be outta position
957
00:36:15.105 --> 00:36:18.205
and still come away with a podium, still have hardware,
958
00:36:18.945 --> 00:36:21.245
you could hear it in his voice after the race.
959
00:36:21.505 --> 00:36:24.125
He said, you guys, he said back to his team, he said,
960
00:36:24.125 --> 00:36:26.845
you don't even understand what this means to me.
961
00:36:26.875 --> 00:36:28.565
This is the best moment in my career.
962
00:36:28.665 --> 00:36:31.045
And that just goes to show you this is a
963
00:36:31.045 --> 00:36:32.205
multi-time race winner, right?
964
00:36:32.395 --> 00:36:34.405
This goes to show you how challenging it's been
965
00:36:34.405 --> 00:36:35.485
and how much that was needed.
966
00:36:35.485 --> 00:36:36.725
And that was really, really cool to see.
967
00:36:37.045 --> 00:36:40.045
I completely agree. I mean, it was, it was amazing to see,
968
00:36:40.045 --> 00:36:44.525
it was amazing to see his faith in Williams be repaid.
969
00:36:44.665 --> 00:36:46.845
It was amazing to see James Vals
970
00:36:46.845 --> 00:36:50.085
and Williams faith in him be repaid crazy to think
971
00:36:50.085 --> 00:36:53.365
that he got a podium before Hamilton did for Ferrari.
972
00:36:54.385 --> 00:36:55.485
Um, he's got a podium.
973
00:36:56.285 --> 00:36:57.765
Alban does not have a podium for Williams.
974
00:36:58.625 --> 00:37:01.565
So in so many ways I I completely understand why
975
00:37:01.565 --> 00:37:03.445
that was such a special moment for him.
976
00:37:03.545 --> 00:37:05.565
And yeah, you could see in his face, you know,
977
00:37:05.565 --> 00:37:06.645
you could hear it in his voice.
978
00:37:06.825 --> 00:37:08.485
He saw in the, the crew in park
979
00:37:08.585 --> 00:37:10.285
for me just like losing their mind
980
00:37:10.345 --> 00:37:11.725
before the car even got there.
981
00:37:12.345 --> 00:37:14.605
You know, his manager, who's also his cousin was sitting
982
00:37:14.605 --> 00:37:16.885
there just like screaming to himself like, you know,
983
00:37:16.885 --> 00:37:18.645
like he was, he just kept, kept just like looking down
984
00:37:18.645 --> 00:37:19.765
and be like, yeah, he just couldn't
985
00:37:19.765 --> 00:37:20.845
believe that it had happened.
986
00:37:21.505 --> 00:37:23.405
Um, it's probably a massive like, you know,
987
00:37:23.405 --> 00:37:24.925
podium bonus in that too, but whatever.
988
00:37:24.985 --> 00:37:26.605
But no, it, it was great man. It was great.
989
00:37:26.745 --> 00:37:28.645
And like, what I really like about it though,
990
00:37:28.645 --> 00:37:30.965
in all honesty is neither, neither Carlos
991
00:37:31.265 --> 00:37:33.165
nor Vals are sitting there being like,
992
00:37:33.385 --> 00:37:34.845
oh yeah, Williams is back.
993
00:37:34.845 --> 00:37:35.645
We're gonna be on the podium
994
00:37:35.775 --> 00:37:37.045
every race of the rest of the year.
995
00:37:37.195 --> 00:37:38.965
They completely understand the situation.
996
00:37:39.715 --> 00:37:41.765
They are patting themselves on the back
997
00:37:41.785 --> 00:37:44.685
for executing brilliantly when those opportunities present
998
00:37:44.685 --> 00:37:46.245
themselves, which is what you always have
999
00:37:46.245 --> 00:37:47.445
to do in this sport,
1000
00:37:47.815 --> 00:37:49.925
especially in F1 when you're a midfield team
1001
00:37:50.425 --> 00:37:51.685
and they're like, yeah, the next
1002
00:37:51.685 --> 00:37:52.885
couple races might be challenging.
1003
00:37:52.905 --> 00:37:54.085
We got one or two tracks left,
1004
00:37:54.085 --> 00:37:56.125
we think we can be strong at maybe fifth, sixth place.
1005
00:37:56.185 --> 00:37:58.165
But like, this was, this was huge for everybody.
1006
00:37:58.585 --> 00:37:59.965
And uh, and it was awesome.
1007
00:38:00.185 --> 00:38:02.325
So Max was great, George was great, he was great.
1008
00:38:02.415 --> 00:38:03.525
Lewis actually had kind
1009
00:38:03.525 --> 00:38:04.965
of a good race compared to everybody else.
1010
00:38:04.965 --> 00:38:06.445
Like he actually moved up a couple spots,
1011
00:38:06.445 --> 00:38:07.525
but no one else really did.
1012
00:38:07.785 --> 00:38:11.085
And that was, that was sort of a coup. And then, and then
1013
00:38:11.125 --> 00:38:14.885
I mean the only other thing we gotta touch on is, um, is
1014
00:38:14.885 --> 00:38:15.885
so Oscar goes out
1015
00:38:16.465 --> 00:38:20.045
and again, golden opportunity for, for Lando to capitalize
1016
00:38:20.305 --> 00:38:21.965
and he was outta position for sure.
1017
00:38:22.465 --> 00:38:25.485
Uh, I mean you might say that their car wasn't super suited
1018
00:38:25.485 --> 00:38:27.365
to the tracking conditions, which might be fair,
1019
00:38:27.505 --> 00:38:29.765
but still, I mean, Anna McLaren in seventh,
1020
00:38:29.785 --> 00:38:33.725
he was outta position and he had a really bad stop on his
1021
00:38:33.725 --> 00:38:37.645
last stop, which I think ultimately cost him two spots.
1022
00:38:37.865 --> 00:38:41.005
You know, I think he should have beat Lawson and Sonoda
1023
00:38:41.065 --> 00:38:45.685
and maybe even had a run at Antonelli who was in fourth
1024
00:38:45.945 --> 00:38:48.045
and McLaren just let him down in pit lane again.
1025
00:38:48.105 --> 00:38:50.565
So I mean that's, that could have been a big swing for,
1026
00:38:50.905 --> 00:38:54.685
for Orlando and, and for whatever reason it wasn't again,
1027
00:38:54.685 --> 00:38:57.205
and it is just shaping up to be one of those situations
1028
00:38:57.205 --> 00:38:58.965
where it's, it might not be his year.
1029
00:38:59.045 --> 00:39:00.565
I mean there's still quite a few races left,
1030
00:39:01.105 --> 00:39:02.845
but I mean it's just, it seems
1031
00:39:02.845 --> 00:39:05.245
to be compounding a little bit at this point, especially
1032
00:39:05.795 --> 00:39:08.285
when you think about Oscar had a big old goose egg
1033
00:39:08.285 --> 00:39:11.485
and Orlando can't, can't close the gap that much. It's,
1034
00:39:11.485 --> 00:39:12.765
That's one of those things, right?
1035
00:39:12.765 --> 00:39:17.245
Where on the race where Lando has the DNF
1036
00:39:17.265 --> 00:39:20.645
and Zandor, the McLaren Stout, their one two,
1037
00:39:20.705 --> 00:39:24.405
so Oscar wins the race on a race where both were struggling,
1038
00:39:24.715 --> 00:39:26.645
both struggled with qualifying, both started out a position.
1039
00:39:26.735 --> 00:39:27.765
Oscar has his problem,
1040
00:39:28.625 --> 00:39:29.965
but it's not like it's a track
1041
00:39:29.965 --> 00:39:31.645
where they had that massive advantage.
1042
00:39:31.645 --> 00:39:33.365
Orlando could just like bag the wind and,
1043
00:39:33.425 --> 00:39:34.605
and close up 25 points.
1044
00:39:34.705 --> 00:39:38.325
So now the gap is 25 points, which is exactly the number
1045
00:39:38.325 --> 00:39:39.965
of points that Oscar got over Orlando
1046
00:39:39.995 --> 00:39:41.045
when his car failed him.
1047
00:39:42.115 --> 00:39:43.965
Oscar's issue this weekend was a DNF,
1048
00:39:43.965 --> 00:39:45.085
but it was not a mechanical failure.
1049
00:39:45.115 --> 00:39:46.565
This was a driver mistake.
1050
00:39:47.145 --> 00:39:51.165
So now is when people can start doing the like, you know,
1051
00:39:51.585 --> 00:39:54.285
woulda, coulda, shoulda math in their heads again.
1052
00:39:54.285 --> 00:39:56.725
Still a lot ofra. I mean Oscar might still beat him
1053
00:39:56.725 --> 00:39:58.085
by 50 points and so it's moot,
1054
00:39:58.085 --> 00:40:00.565
but like if they stay tight, sure there's a lot of people
1055
00:40:00.565 --> 00:40:02.525
that are playing that game, but that's racing, right?
1056
00:40:02.545 --> 00:40:04.245
Its something you do about that. I, yeah, I,
1057
00:40:04.245 --> 00:40:05.285
the, the team let him down.
1058
00:40:05.635 --> 00:40:06.645
There's no doubt about it.
1059
00:40:06.705 --> 00:40:09.205
He led the team down in Canada and gave away points there.
1060
00:40:09.425 --> 00:40:11.045
So that's, that's part
1061
00:40:11.045 --> 00:40:13.645
of racing being a team sport at the end of the day.
1062
00:40:13.695 --> 00:40:14.765
Right. Good point. Good point.
1063
00:40:14.765 --> 00:40:17.085
Liam Laws got his best finish. Yep. Doing a good job.
1064
00:40:17.465 --> 00:40:19.325
Uh, Kimmy Antonelli off the back
1065
00:40:19.325 --> 00:40:22.085
of being told he was underwhelming in Manza Elk qualifies
1066
00:40:22.085 --> 00:40:23.525
George Russell and finishes force.
1067
00:40:24.865 --> 00:40:28.725
Not bad. Uh, we'll see if he can continue that sort of form
1068
00:40:28.945 --> 00:40:30.525
and yeah, I guess we'll cover national next week.
1069
00:40:30.625 --> 00:40:31.925
Oh wait, you mentioned them.
1070
00:40:32.145 --> 00:40:36.005
We should touch on Lil Dave signing with Penske.
1071
00:40:36.145 --> 00:40:38.205
Not that it's a shock, everybody kinda saw it coming,
1072
00:40:38.265 --> 00:40:40.885
but it's now official and yeah man, time
1073
00:40:40.885 --> 00:40:42.965
to step up into the, into the big leagues.
1074
00:40:42.965 --> 00:40:46.405
That's, uh, that's a crazy kind of moment for him.
1075
00:40:46.465 --> 00:40:49.005
Listen, we, we've, we've shared our thoughts
1076
00:40:49.005 --> 00:40:51.925
and opinions on it because it, it is not a surprise
1077
00:40:51.925 --> 00:40:54.725
to anyone, was a very poorly kept secret even,
1078
00:40:54.885 --> 00:40:57.685
I don't even know if it was tried to be a secret to be fair
1079
00:40:57.685 --> 00:40:58.805
with how many people knew about it.
1080
00:40:58.865 --> 00:41:02.485
So I'm gonna, I'm gonna hold, we should hold all
1081
00:41:03.265 --> 00:41:07.205
future opinions and comments until, um, this time next year.
1082
00:41:07.985 --> 00:41:11.685
But I think an interesting nugget that has come out
1083
00:41:11.685 --> 00:41:15.245
of this whole situation, and James, you being who you are
1084
00:41:15.395 --> 00:41:17.165
with, you know, understanding the ins
1085
00:41:17.165 --> 00:41:19.165
and outs of the, the various sides
1086
00:41:19.165 --> 00:41:20.845
of this sport at this point, um,
1087
00:41:21.105 --> 00:41:23.405
and always having a voice for the drivers and,
1088
00:41:23.405 --> 00:41:25.485
and you've been very vocal about contracts and,
1089
00:41:25.485 --> 00:41:26.845
and how they need to be honored and,
1090
00:41:26.845 --> 00:41:28.085
and all this sort of thing in the past,
1091
00:41:28.275 --> 00:41:30.725
usually on the team side, two drivers in terms
1092
00:41:30.725 --> 00:41:31.965
of compensation and,
1093
00:41:31.965 --> 00:41:34.925
and letting them see out the, the term of, of
1094
00:41:34.925 --> 00:41:36.285
what their contract was signed for.
1095
00:41:36.355 --> 00:41:40.645
What, what, where do you stand on this situation where
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00:41:41.505 --> 00:41:45.165
Penske is holding will to the term of his contract
1097
00:41:45.825 --> 00:41:47.325
and not releasing him early
1098
00:41:47.745 --> 00:41:50.045
and not allowing him to get to work with Andretti
1099
00:41:50.055 --> 00:41:52.685
until his term is over? Well, you,
1100
00:41:52.705 --> 00:41:55.325
You phrased that in a very specific way, Alex,
1101
00:41:55.455 --> 00:41:59.405
which makes me think that your opinion is contracts
1102
00:41:59.405 --> 00:42:01.005
or contracts, you signed it, you know, it,
1103
00:42:01.145 --> 00:42:04.925
and tough <inaudible>, which fundamentally that is a,
1104
00:42:04.925 --> 00:42:06.285
that is a philosophy.
1105
00:42:06.405 --> 00:42:08.805
I do sort of, I do subscribe to that sort
1106
00:42:08.805 --> 00:42:09.925
of, I do subscribe to that.
1107
00:42:10.285 --> 00:42:12.605
I think that if two parties are in agreement,
1108
00:42:12.875 --> 00:42:14.125
there's opportunities
1109
00:42:14.265 --> 00:42:16.525
and situations where it is appropriate
1110
00:42:16.865 --> 00:42:18.685
for concessions to be made.
1111
00:42:19.015 --> 00:42:23.845
Where this one for me gets a little bit, a little bit tricky
1112
00:42:24.785 --> 00:42:28.645
is by Penske not allowing, so, so powers contract goes
1113
00:42:28.845 --> 00:42:30.445
until December 31st, right?
1114
00:42:31.425 --> 00:42:35.445
And there is a test at Indy on October somethings,
1115
00:42:36.265 --> 00:42:38.965
and Andretti has requested Will's services.
1116
00:42:39.265 --> 00:42:43.605
Penske has flat denied them. This is not like a Oh is he?
1117
00:42:43.605 --> 00:42:45.245
Like it was, the request was made,
1118
00:42:45.505 --> 00:42:47.405
the request was denied at that point.
1119
00:42:47.645 --> 00:42:49.925
I would, Ima so have you ev let me ask, let me ask you this,
1120
00:42:49.925 --> 00:42:54.045
have you ever signed a contract that was termed
1121
00:42:54.045 --> 00:42:55.845
through the end of the race season rather
1122
00:42:55.845 --> 00:42:56.885
than the end of the calendar year?
1123
00:42:57.155 --> 00:42:58.325
I've done both.
Okay.
1124
00:42:58.375 --> 00:42:59.725
Would you say that rightly
1125
00:42:59.725 --> 00:43:01.965
or wrongly, it's more often done through the calendar year?
1126
00:43:02.105 --> 00:43:04.405
Yes. Right. So it's kind of industry standard
1127
00:43:04.405 --> 00:43:05.525
that that's how they do it.
1128
00:43:05.585 --> 00:43:06.605
So I've on, yes.
1129
00:43:06.635 --> 00:43:09.245
I've only had one that was through the race here. Right?
1130
00:43:09.265 --> 00:43:10.925
The rest were all through calendar year. Yes.
1131
00:43:11.215 --> 00:43:13.005
Right. So it's it's much more
1132
00:43:13.005 --> 00:43:14.285
typical that that's the case.
1133
00:43:14.875 --> 00:43:17.045
It's sort of understood that once the race season's over,
1134
00:43:17.145 --> 00:43:18.445
if you're not going back to the team,
1135
00:43:18.445 --> 00:43:19.685
your job there is kind of done.
1136
00:43:19.945 --> 00:43:22.045
Now if there's a situation
1137
00:43:22.045 --> 00:43:24.965
where there was some previous sponsor commitments
1138
00:43:24.995 --> 00:43:28.125
that you still had to, uh, fulfill, fine.
1139
00:43:28.325 --> 00:43:29.885
I totally get that. That's totally fair.
1140
00:43:30.265 --> 00:43:32.245
In a situation where there's no sponsor commitments
1141
00:43:32.245 --> 00:43:36.405
to fulfill and nobody is ho I imagine Lucas's contract
1142
00:43:36.405 --> 00:43:37.805
with Foyt was through the calendar year.
1143
00:43:38.375 --> 00:43:40.845
Let's ignore for a second the fact that Penske was paying
1144
00:43:40.845 --> 00:43:43.285
for that deal and just, you know, ,
1145
00:43:45.745 --> 00:43:49.005
it seems to me that it in no way hurts
1146
00:43:49.265 --> 00:43:50.805
Penske to release. Well
1147
00:43:51.075 --> 00:43:52.075
Sure it does.
1148
00:43:52.465 --> 00:43:54.165
No, sure it does. It benefits another team.
1149
00:43:54.165 --> 00:43:55.685
Why does not, that doesn't hurt his team.
1150
00:43:56.115 --> 00:43:57.125
It's a there's a difference.
1151
00:43:57.355 --> 00:43:59.245
Yeah, but they're competitors. Yeah.
1152
00:43:59.305 --> 00:44:02.965
So anything that benefits a competitor but like hurts you.
1153
00:44:02.965 --> 00:44:04.125
Correct? Correct.
1154
00:44:04.315 --> 00:44:06.675
Okay. Alex, real talk
1155
00:44:07.535 --> 00:44:10.555
by getting one day in the car at Indy in October
1156
00:44:11.215 --> 00:44:15.755
at the track that you get 48 hours of practice in come April
1157
00:44:15.775 --> 00:44:19.275
and May is one day in October gonna set will up for
1158
00:44:19.275 --> 00:44:22.795
so much success at the Indie 500 that you
1159
00:44:22.795 --> 00:44:24.795
as a competing team owner would be like,
1160
00:44:25.065 --> 00:44:26.555
yeah, I'm worried about that. James.
1161
00:44:27.325 --> 00:44:30.875
James, you mean the one track where
1162
00:44:31.855 --> 00:44:34.175
finite details matter, the one track
1163
00:44:34.325 --> 00:44:37.855
that you spend the most amount of time preparing for
1164
00:44:38.475 --> 00:44:40.535
on the track off the track in the wind tunnel.
1165
00:44:40.925 --> 00:44:45.735
Okay. You're getting a guy who has just recently been
1166
00:44:45.735 --> 00:44:48.415
with the team that in all honesty should have locked out the
1167
00:44:48.415 --> 00:44:50.175
front row the past two years,
1168
00:44:50.715 --> 00:44:53.335
but for various reasons that we all know did not
1169
00:44:53.795 --> 00:44:56.455
and had a massive influx
1170
00:44:56.455 --> 00:44:59.055
of information from a certain engineer
1171
00:44:59.325 --> 00:45:02.735
that improved their speed dramatically overnight, seemingly,
1172
00:45:03.855 --> 00:45:08.585
okay, you bring that person to the October test
1173
00:45:08.925 --> 00:45:11.825
to allow them to start running through certain things
1174
00:45:11.965 --> 00:45:16.615
to give you an offseason project and areas to focus on.
1175
00:45:17.595 --> 00:45:18.715
I think there's a benefit to that.
1176
00:45:18.935 --> 00:45:20.955
Now that being said, he's just a driver
1177
00:45:21.375 --> 00:45:22.795
and him getting in car, and
1178
00:45:22.795 --> 00:45:23.795
I was gonna say, if we're talking
1179
00:45:23.795 --> 00:45:25.755
Engineers XY different
Different conversation.
1180
00:45:25.975 --> 00:45:30.355
Here's my point is this is further reinforcing the fact
1181
00:45:30.355 --> 00:45:34.835
that will told them no because I, I believe you, if the way,
1182
00:45:34.855 --> 00:45:37.075
the way they handled this situation and, and,
1183
00:45:37.095 --> 00:45:39.595
and everything, and not saying they handled it wrongly,
1184
00:45:39.695 --> 00:45:43.675
but just in terms of the, the, again, the, the human element
1185
00:45:43.775 --> 00:45:47.355
of willpower and what he's done for that organization
1186
00:45:47.575 --> 00:45:49.355
and the fact that he was still doing a good job
1187
00:45:49.455 --> 00:45:50.555
and all of this stuff and,
1188
00:45:50.555 --> 00:45:53.035
and to be strung along as we, as we, as we've talked about.
1189
00:45:53.575 --> 00:45:55.795
And if then they said, all right, we're done,
1190
00:45:56.605 --> 00:45:58.195
thank you, but no thank you.
1191
00:45:58.835 --> 00:46:01.635
I could see them having the, the sympathy of being like,
1192
00:46:01.635 --> 00:46:04.195
all right, go, go get to work and go do your new thing.
1193
00:46:04.685 --> 00:46:08.355
Right? It now convinces me that they were like, we need you
1194
00:46:08.355 --> 00:46:09.395
to stay, please stay.
1195
00:46:09.575 --> 00:46:12.315
And he was like, no, get Ed.
1196
00:46:12.775 --> 00:46:14.355
And now they're like, oh, okay,
1197
00:46:14.355 --> 00:46:16.755
well you're not driving your car until January one then.
1198
00:46:16.955 --> 00:46:18.195
I mean, that's just an assumption. Yeah.
1199
00:46:18.195 --> 00:46:21.795
That's just, uh, I'm theorizing, but I don't know.
1200
00:46:21.825 --> 00:46:23.395
Yeah, and you can argue tip for tap.
1201
00:46:23.395 --> 00:46:26.435
That's why he's won a million championships in 1,000,005
1202
00:46:26.435 --> 00:46:28.675
hundreds and that's the kind of mindset that you need.
1203
00:46:28.995 --> 00:46:30.995
I I think it's fine. I don't think it's, I saw
1204
00:46:30.995 --> 00:46:32.075
Something on Twitter saying
1205
00:46:32.075 --> 00:46:35.115
that he should still just show up to Penske headquarters,
1206
00:46:35.425 --> 00:46:37.035
grab coffee and just like
1207
00:46:37.385 --> 00:46:38.635
chat with people in the break room. ,
1208
00:46:40.655 --> 00:46:42.635
Here's the thing. I am, I, um,
1209
00:46:43.535 --> 00:46:46.555
do I think it's gonna negatively affect Will's preparation
1210
00:46:46.575 --> 00:46:49.395
for Indy next year or Andretti's preparation for next year?
1211
00:46:49.675 --> 00:46:52.755
I don't. Is it a big deal? No, it's not.
1212
00:46:53.095 --> 00:46:56.875
But that's why it seems unnecessary to hold him back, right?
1213
00:46:57.335 --> 00:47:00.755
If it was kind of industry standard to hold him back
1214
00:47:00.975 --> 00:47:02.435
or to like not let people do that
1215
00:47:02.695 --> 00:47:03.715
and they didn't let him do it
1216
00:47:03.715 --> 00:47:04.915
and it's like, yeah, okay, fine, whatever.
1217
00:47:05.335 --> 00:47:08.355
But like, you know, ed Carpenter let Reus go
1218
00:47:09.015 --> 00:47:10.995
and Reus was allowed to do the December
1219
00:47:11.135 --> 00:47:12.755
or the October test with Coin
1220
00:47:12.895 --> 00:47:14.235
and that led him get a new job.
1221
00:47:14.625 --> 00:47:16.315
It's kind of this much more common
1222
00:47:16.315 --> 00:47:17.835
to let it happen, but you're right.
1223
00:47:17.835 --> 00:47:20.555
Maybe it was a function of Will telling them no
1224
00:47:20.575 --> 00:47:23.195
and them wanting to just make a point.
1225
00:47:23.445 --> 00:47:25.315
We'll never know. Or maybe we'll,
1226
00:47:25.565 --> 00:47:27.595
since we're a breaking news podcast now,
1227
00:47:27.825 --> 00:47:28.955
Yeah, news is fun.
1228
00:47:29.085 --> 00:47:32.525
Hopefully we have some next week, um, to talk about
1229
00:47:32.655 --> 00:47:34.685
after we recap Nashville.
1230
00:47:36.155 --> 00:47:37.565
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00:47:37.565 --> 00:47:39.125
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