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<v Speaker 1>This is, is off track.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Is that why you just didn't text us back?</v>

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Trying to plan the Tuesday episode this

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<v Speaker 3>Week?</v>

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Um, I was in bed. Uh, because let me tell you something.

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Jet lag with a newborn is a real

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&lt;inaudible&gt;
<v Speaker 1>.</v>

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I don't understand, I

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don't understand either of those things.

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Please explain, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>What, what bed is.</v>

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I understand why you don't know what that is, James,

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because you again, are gallivanting the world.

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Uh, Tim knows exactly what that is

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because he just got out of it. I,

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<v Speaker 2>I just clearly got out of the shower. My hair is</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Still very wet.</v>

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Did you just get out of bed?

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<v Speaker 2>Why are you showering? No, I was, uh,</v>

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I'm painting some walls in my apartment

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and I I didn't do it all that carefully. Do you have

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<v Speaker 3>This skillset to paint?</v>

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<v Speaker 1>That seems like a risky endeavor. Yeah.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>I sure don't. Do</v>
<v Speaker 1>You know the three Ps of painting?</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Hmm. Primer paint and pajamas</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Not being are three. A single one.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Hmm. Well then why</v>
<v Speaker 2>Am I wearing these?</v>

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<v Speaker 1>I, I don't know. Dirty socks.</v>

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I'm not, I'm, yeah, I'm not entirely sure.

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<v Speaker 3>You shouldn't paint if you watch your floors .</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there was just a little bit</v>

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of painter's tape on that sock.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay. Painter. Anyways. Um, hi guys. Wait,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>What are the three pieces of painting now? I feel like</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Preparation.</v>

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Preparation and preparation.

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<v Speaker 2>I like mine more.</v>
<v Speaker 1>Hmm. Yeah.</v>

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That's why your apartment walls look like &lt;inaudible&gt;.

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<v Speaker 2>Not yet. Well, one of 'em does.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The one that you painted.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It looks okay. I</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Feel like there's only one wall in your apartment</v>

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that can be accessible.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm starting off and</v>
<v Speaker 3>That's the walls going</v>

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up upstairs.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm starting in little sections.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Why is your hair wet for having</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Painted?</v>

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I just got outta the shower

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'cause I got a little paint on me . Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Because the painting not going great,</v>

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so we had to shower.

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Got it. Got

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<v Speaker 2>It.</v>

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I did, I painted a door last week

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and I got a little bit of white paint in my hair

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and it took forever to come out.

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But then it just looked like I had little streaks of gray

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and it was like, no, no, no.

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It's because I, it's because I'm a mess.

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It's not because I'm older. It's .

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have any gray hairs yet? I do not.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>I do.</v>
<v Speaker 1>I'm still counting the ones on my beard. Yeah.</v>

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You got a couple up here? I got a few in the beard now.

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<v Speaker 3>I got the, I got the side. The side ones going.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>The side ones going. I don't have</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Any up here.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think if you grew your beard out,</v>

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you'd see more in your beard?

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Because I feel like for guys it starts like down here

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first a lot of the times.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I dunno.</v>

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No, because I let it, I let, I let it get fairly long

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and there's no gray in it.

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But I do, every single time I go and get a haircut.

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'cause they wrap you on the black like sheet thing.

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Um, it's like more and more gray and less

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and less black on there. And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>Huh, .</v>

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<v Speaker 3>This is fun. This is a fun reminder every five</v>

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weeks.
<v Speaker 1>.</v>

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Yeah. Yeah. Well

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<v Speaker 2>My grandpa Bert didn't go gray until he was like 91.</v>

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So I'm hoping I got that. I don't think you're

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<v Speaker 3>Gonna make pal. That works.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>That's fair. That's how that works. So was never gray.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah,</v>
<v Speaker 1>I, uh, I had a very lengthy discussion.</v>

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I won't say argument, I'll say discussion

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with my father-in-law last week.

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Who, who thinks he's still blonde?

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Um, I gotta tell you. Super. He's, he's super gray.

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Like he's, he's like white

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in like the sideburn region, right.

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Kind of up to the ear. And he is like, yeah.

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And then he's like, I'm gray here,

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and then I'm blonde on top.

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I was like, no pal. You're gray gray here

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and you're white here.

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Like you're, you're gray on top

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and you're like, like bleach white here.

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But he, he's holding on to hope that he's, he's still,

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he's still kind of black and he's got hair.

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He is got like a good head of hair for a 75-year-old dude.

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But it's the majority not the color he thinks it is.

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<v Speaker 3>The majority of my gray hairs came while he was giving his</v>

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wedding speech during that time period. .

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<v Speaker 1>So like four years, it's still happening. Yeah. Yeah.</v>

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So you're still collecting grays. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Terrific. Um, okay, so wait, so, so how, how ,

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I'm just laughing at the name you have on your screen,

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but hopefully people can't see.

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But , how is, so you're with,

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you're in England. You're in England now,

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<v Speaker 3>And you're</v>
<v Speaker 1>In England currently with Kelly and Ben.</v>

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Uh, also known as Ken.

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That's their, like, that's their celebrity couple

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<v Speaker 3>Name. Interesting. Did</v>

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<v Speaker 2>You bring little Ben to Big Ben? Well,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>We haven't gotten, so we're,</v>

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we're out in the country right now.

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Um, kind of just relaxing with the sheep

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and, uh, enjoying some nice meals

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and catching up on sleep as best we can with a newborn.

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Um, we're going to Paris tomorrow. And

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<v Speaker 1>What, you're already going, you just got</v>

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to England like yesterday?

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<v Speaker 3>No, we got to England on, we left on Sunday.</v>

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So we got to England Monday morning.

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Uh, so we're gonna Paris Thursday. It's away.

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It's it's Wednesday night. Wednesday. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know where I am</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Alex.</v>

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We're actually, it's okay. I think it's Thursday for you.

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<v Speaker 3>It's Wednesday. It's 6:30 PM</v>
<v Speaker 2>I meant for James.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. It's super Thursday for me.</v>

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It's, it's 1:30 AM on Thursday

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<v Speaker 2>Morning.</v>

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Yeah. Is this our first time doing this in,

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in a different day? We're all

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<v Speaker 3>Three.</v>

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I didn't Bali on

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<v Speaker 2>My honeymoon like two days.</v>

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We're in different, but yeah, we're all three

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in different continents.  we're

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's true. That might be a first.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. We've got two hemispheres covered.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah.</v>
<v Speaker 1>We're, we're killing it guys. So sorry.</v>

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But No, wait. So before you go to par, wait, how long,

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so why such a short trip?

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Ting? Why go to Parrot if you're already over?

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How has Ben on the flight? Let's start there. We

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<v Speaker 2>Need to reboot him,</v>
<v Speaker 3>Ben,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>On the plane. It's a travel podcast</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Was, uh, fantastic.</v>

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So it was a night flight.

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So we, we set ourselves up for success.

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Um, I will say it was booked, um,

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with an hour and 10 minute connection in Chicago from

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<v Speaker 1>Indie.</v>

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It's just tight.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's</v>
<v Speaker 1>Not with a kid.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It's not, um, I tell you what's tight, uh,</v>

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when your flight from India

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to Chicago is delayed by 50 minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. That makes it tight. Then</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It became tight.</v>

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Um, so we were running through basically Kelly,

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we made a very smart executive decision to, instead

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of gate checking, leave Kelly behind the stroller,

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we checked his stroller in Indie.

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'cause we knew it was gonna be tight

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and we knew it was probably gonna get delayed more.

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'cause planes don't, it initially started

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as I was delayed 20 minutes,

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but we're like, that's not how flights work.

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Right. So we were, she strapped into her chest

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and I had both bags in my

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backpack and it was like, all right.

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It's like fortunately only one section of gates over,

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they closed the door in eight minutes.

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If we run, it's like a five minute run. So done.

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We'll get there easy.

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Um, the problem was, she, she couldn't run that fast.

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but with the way Ben wasn't the carrier,

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he was like almost bouncing out.

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So she had to like push his head down while running to just

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to like lock him into place.

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And we got there

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and the, the, the, the gate agent was, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>A mass damper but without a top on it. ,</v>

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right? You're like, no, no, thank that

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<v Speaker 3>for, for a little human.</v>

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Um, the, the gate agent was like, oh my God,

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you guys actually made it.

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And we were like, yeah, it wasn't fun.

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He was like, I am beyond impressed.

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So they obviously were tracking inbound passengers

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and connections and they, they had written us off.

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Anyways, so that was that little adventure.

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Um, got him on the plane.

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He slept four out of seven hours.

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Uh, nice. That's not bad. Not bad.

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Four, four and a half outta seven hours.

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Which was, which was great. Obviously.

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Um, you know, we're 15 minutes from landing.

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It's been everyone to your seats for the past 15 minutes.

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And he, uh, himself.

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Oh, so that, I mean, as you would expect, um,

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um, so you deal with that.

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So he's got a good comedic sense of timing. Right? Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So wait, when you say you deal with that,</v>

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do you mean in the sense that like, yeah, you put up

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with the smell until you land

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and then can go change 'em? No.

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<v Speaker 3>Or like, like</v>
<v Speaker 1>I don't care.</v>

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You changed him on the coffee table in front of the

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<v Speaker 3>No, no.</v>

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Kelly just got up and was like, my kid pooped sue me. Wow.

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The flight attendant was like, okay, be quick.

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So it was, they were very nice about it.

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They didn't, they were, they were very understanding. Yeah.

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So we landed, we, we drove out to, uh, the part

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of the country called the Cowa.

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Mm. And we've been here for, for three days.

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Um, have had some amazing food

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and checked out the little villages.

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We're going to Paris tomorrow just for a night.

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Um, Kelly's never been.

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And we're just gonna tick the box since it's

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so easy to get there with the train.

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And then we'll be in London for five days following that. So

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, you're like doing a day</v>
<v Speaker 2>Trip to London. In London.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>We're doing like a, like, like a night trip.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>A single night trip.</v>
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<v Speaker 3>No. It's hard to make dinner plans</v>

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with a board. So just I know a

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<v Speaker 2>Good restaurant I could recommend</v>

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<v Speaker 3>We have send it,</v>

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but we have just,

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we've learned I'm very schedule pro schedule. Yeah. And

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<v Speaker 1>You're schedule oriented kind of guy.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>We've learned that you just can't do that. So you gotta</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Just go with the</v>
<v Speaker 3>Flow.</v>

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We were gonna have a, like a nice dinner tonight.

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We're not doing that. Mm. Um,

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because we had a really nice lunch that was late

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'cause we were late and we ate lunch at two today.

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And so yeah, it's fine. Everything's great.

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Tremendous having a great time. Tremendous.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes. Love that for all of you. Hmm. Um, excited.</v>

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I'm, yeah, it's, it's, it's gonna be an interesting

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single day adventure to Paris and then back. But, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>Why, why do you think</v>

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that's interesting? It's a train ride.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I know. It just, it's the, it's the act</v>

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of like moving hotels for one night to then just move back

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to the same country you were in.

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Look, I get it. I I've moved a lot

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of hotels since I left my house the last time.

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I haven't been to my house in a while,

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guys. It's been a minute.

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<v Speaker 2>I just sent you the dinner recommendation.</v>

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It was one of, uh, so Hemingway

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and Fitzgerald's favorite places.

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<v Speaker 3>Cool. I got it. Um, so yes, , James, you, you are,</v>

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you are in and outta hotels.

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Um, why don't you catch us up on

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where you've been since back who?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, um, I'm in,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>You're in Singapore. I'm</v>

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<v Speaker 1>In Where did come from?</v>

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I'm Singapore. Thank you. Yep. Where did you come from?

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Where'd you go? I'm in Singapore. I came to Singapore from

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<v Speaker 3>Florence.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly right. Uh, I, I, yeah, so I left, I left Florence,</v>

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I don't know, I mean earlier today,

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but yesterday I'm not, I don't know.

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I I left Florence recently. Um, why

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<v Speaker 3>Were you in Florence?</v>

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Was this re rejoining the Dalton family?

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<v Speaker 1>Let your own trip Go back. Yeah. Okay.</v>

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Let's, let's, let's run it back. So, um, is that just gonna

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<v Speaker 3>Be forever?</v>

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Are they just, are they just gonna travel

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Europe for the rest of time? The

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<v Speaker 1>Office, the whole family.</v>

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We're all just, we're just, we've all sold our homes. He's

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<v Speaker 3>Nomad now.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>We're just nomads. The Swiss family hit books. Yeah.</v>

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Each have one suitcase. Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Swiss.</v>
<v Speaker 1>Ironically, we haven't made this room yet,</v>

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but it's on the, it's on the list.

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Um, no, we don't, we don't do that.

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Uh, but so, so Baku, Baku went to Baku

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and then I left Baku and I went to Florence.

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And the reason I went to Florence is

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because, uh, I needed to be close to Maje

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because I got to do my little drive in a form

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of the one car on Friday.

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Last Friday. You did get to do that.

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We need to talk about that. It did get do.

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Let's talk about it. Yes.

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Um, so yeah, I mean, we kind of talked about it ahead

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of time and kind of tease it a bit,

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but, uh, ha very generously agreed

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to allow me to pilot one of their TPC cars.

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TPC of course, testing previous cars, as long

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as it's a 2-year-old car

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or more, you have at this point unlimited miles.

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That's kind of changing. Or maybe it's already changed.

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I don't know either way. Um, as a bit of a feature

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for F1 tv, I commentate on F1.

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I've never driven an F1 car.

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So the idea was to give me that opportunity.

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And what was sort of cool was the day was shared

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with Rojan Rojan, who

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the last time he drove an F1 car, it tried

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to oven roast him in, you know, where that was Bahrain.

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And after his accident, you know, he missed his last,

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what would've been his last race in F1, uh,

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the following week in Abu Dhabi.

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And then Mercedes had said, Hey,

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we're we're gonna give you a test

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to let you get back in an F1 car just to, you know, so

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that wasn't your last experience, but then COVID

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and complications.

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And that never ended up happening.

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And so, uh, the, the team principal at

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Hao had put together this day where

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Roman was gonna get in the car.

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And uh, my good friend who's the comms manager there,

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Stuart Morrison, was like, well, if we split the day,

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we can kind of do a twofer.

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And we got Rohan in the car to kind of get back into F1

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and finish a few laps that he didn't get to do post, uh,

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you know, post his accident.

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And then I got the chance

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to sample F1 machinery for the first time.

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And it was, it was such a weird day, man, because,

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and we sort of chat about this, it rained the entire time,

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like it was a miserable day at the racetrack.

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Mam, jello was an incredible racetrack in

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an incredible part of the world.

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Um, so scenic so beautiful,

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but it poured rain all day long.

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And, uh, Roman was in the car first

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and he did a bunch of running all in the wet.

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And something I learned about TPC testing, Alex,

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which you'll find as frustrating as I did,

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is they do not let you purchase intermediate tires.

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So you can have full wets or slicks.

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Now, anybody that follows Formula One closely,

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at least for the last few years, will know that

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any conditions that require the full wet are usually

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too wet to even go racing.

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So while in a one or two car test,

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'cause there were a few other cars there doing some pelli

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testing with only a few cars on track, you know,

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maybe you could get away with it as long

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as there's not a lot of standing water.

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But fundamentally the extreme white only comes out when it's

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really too wet to run at all.

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Once it dries out enough, you'd go to an enter

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because the wet degrades too much.

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Well enters weren't an option.

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So all of his running around it does it dude.

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And there's some other things that happen that like,

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just, I'm like, oh my God.

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Even here, even in the pinnacle of motor sports, some

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of this stuff happens.

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Red Bull had a whole situation with their program, which was

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comical, I will tell you offline.

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But we, you know, we're there

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amp pan around all day in the wet,

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it was time to switch over.

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So I got my first taste of F1 machinery in the wet,

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and then it started to dry.

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And Alex, as you know,

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and this is where, look, Tim, very interested in this story,

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very, very, very invested.

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There is just, look as you know, you know

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how impressive a Formula one car is you

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raced in Formula One.

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You can also acknowledge that regardless of

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how good a car is,

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if you are driving on rain tires full wets

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on a nearly dry

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track, a car's terrible.

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Like there's no car.

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It doesn't matter how good the car is, there's just nothing

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that can compensate for that combination Sure.

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Of a full at tire. On a nearly dry track.

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So like, my first run was kind of in wet conditions,

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and even then I was , I was blown away at

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how late you could break in the wet in an F1 car,

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like absolutely blown away.

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And then the next like three runs

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were all on full wet tires on a drying track,

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and it was getting progressively worse.

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So like, it just felt terrible.

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Like the braking was again, still pretty impressive

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and the acceleration is kind of what you'd expect it to be.

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But I wasn't getting a sense of like that

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the downforce and the ability, the capabilities

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of an F1 car, you know, and then it was drying up.

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And so after my last run on the wets, they're like,

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all right, just, just key up the radio

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and give us a little bit of an insight

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around the lap about how dry it is.

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So I'm driving around at, you know,

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a hundred kilometers an hour

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and explaining what I see on the track.

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And I was like, like if it was me, if this was Indy car

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and this was me, I'd be like, a hundred percent,

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let's throw some slicks on and let's give it a whirl.

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But this isn't my world. You guys have to make that call.

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And so he went in the garage, sat for a bit, and I heard

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after the fact that all the engineers were saying like,

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well, yeah, of course he's gonna say it's dry,

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but like, we have no idea if it's actually dry.

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But then the other two cars that were there threw on slicks,

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they went out and they stayed out for a run.

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And so the guys were like,

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all right, I guess it's good enough.

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And we were like counting down the minutes to the end

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of the test day, thank God in Italy they run

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until six o'clock, not five o'clock.

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And so they threw on slicks for the last run.

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And dude, like

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I, it's ridiculous.

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And I, I I, I think the first thing I text you was just

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dude, and you wrote back LOLI know, like , it's .

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It's, I I have always appreciated

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and respected the fact that you raced in that category.

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But now like having sampled,

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however briefly what those cars are capable of.

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Mm-hmm . My thoughts of you running around suzuka,

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my thoughts of you running around Singapore are like, it is

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so impressive what those things are capable of

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and what those drivers have to do.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you get the, um,</v>

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the feeling like you were driving on glass?

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<v Speaker 1>So what's interesting is this generation of car</v>

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with how stiff they have

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to run 'em in the ground effects and all that.

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The bumps were

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so much more prominent on slicks than on wet tires.

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Like on wet tires. There's just

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so much more give you felt like a little bump

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and it kind of felt like an Indy car.

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And then bumps that you didn't think were really

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bumps, they put the slicks on.

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You're like, like, oh man, that actually kind of hurts.

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Like I get why those tracks have to be.

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So Bill your table smooth for those cars right now in this,

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this current iteration 'cause

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<v Speaker 3>Ing so stiff when, when George</v>

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and Lewis a a, a couple years ago

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and the Mercedes were complaining about their backs from the

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purposing, you could relate. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes. Yeah, I can, I can understand.</v>

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Like, I didn't have, like,

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they've obviously come a long way.

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They don't have really the purposing anymore mm-hmm .

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But if I thought about the one little,

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there's a bump, right?

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Kind of by pit in on the front stray at ma.

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And when you hit it in the wet, you kind

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of like felt a little bit when you hit in the dry,

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it was like d and you're like, you know, hitting the limiter

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and like fall shifting and stuff.

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And so I was like, man, if I could definitely see

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that if you got into a pattern

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of the car just doing this down the straight,

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that would be very uncomfortable.

477
00:20:03.935 --> 00:20:05.855
I could 100% see that.

478
00:20:06.395 --> 00:20:09.855
But the how late you could break into corners

479
00:20:10.355 --> 00:20:11.735
and the entry speed

480
00:20:11.735 --> 00:20:13.735
with which you could just throw it in there

481
00:20:14.115 --> 00:20:18.215
and then for like, probably more than anything, the combined

482
00:20:18.735 --> 00:20:21.375
traction on exits was ridiculous.

483
00:20:21.405 --> 00:20:24.095
Like, it was, it was ridiculous.

484
00:20:24.235 --> 00:20:26.055
It doesn't make any sense that you could be

485
00:20:26.055 --> 00:20:29.055
that fast in the middle of a corner still turning

486
00:20:30.835 --> 00:20:32.575
maj like you're still halfway through the corner

487
00:20:32.875 --> 00:20:36.775
and just start feeding the throttle in with no regard

488
00:20:37.275 --> 00:20:39.775
for anything about an over stream.

489
00:20:39.955 --> 00:20:43.855
It just goes, it just goes and, oh man. Ridiculous.

490
00:20:44.105 --> 00:20:45.895
Ridiculous. Yeah, it was so much fun.

491
00:20:46.595 --> 00:20:49.045
I'm gutted that I only got one

492
00:20:49.705 --> 00:20:52.605
run on the slicks, but I'm, that really sucks.

493
00:20:52.715 --> 00:20:56.045
Also so fortunate that I got that one run on the slicks,

494
00:20:56.235 --> 00:20:58.445
it's such a weird sort of position to be in,

495
00:20:59.225 --> 00:21:02.165
but just, uh, the way the thing performs, how it,

496
00:21:02.265 --> 00:21:06.565
how it works, the way it works, um, it's hard

497
00:21:06.565 --> 00:21:10.165
to not kinda leave that experience with just a,

498
00:21:10.245 --> 00:21:13.045
a whole new level of appreciation for what the guys

499
00:21:13.045 --> 00:21:14.725
that are really good in that series do.

500
00:21:15.025 --> 00:21:19.935
<v Speaker 3>Do you find though, that like, it, there's such a far</v>

501
00:21:21.725 --> 00:21:26.115
separation from every other category of car, not, um,

502
00:21:26.175 --> 00:21:27.715
forget the performance aspect of it,

503
00:21:28.255 --> 00:21:31.835
but just like the build quality and how nice it is to drive?

504
00:21:32.385 --> 00:21:34.315
Yeah. Like that's the thing that blows my mind.

505
00:21:34.335 --> 00:21:36.355
You can, you can drive a well-balanced IndyCar,

506
00:21:36.355 --> 00:21:37.955
you can drive a well-balanced prototype.

507
00:21:37.975 --> 00:21:40.275
You can drive a well-balanced GT three and all this stuff.

508
00:21:41.295 --> 00:21:43.875
And they're, they're nice to drive for the most part,

509
00:21:44.255 --> 00:21:48.915
but it is a completely different planet to

510
00:21:48.915 --> 00:21:49.955
what a Formula one car is.

511
00:21:50.575 --> 00:21:52.795
And it's just, it's, it's amazing the distance

512
00:21:52.795 --> 00:21:54.795
that they have on literally everything else.

513
00:21:55.145 --> 00:21:58.755
<v Speaker 1>It's, it's hard to kind of explain this to people</v>

514
00:21:58.755 --> 00:22:02.315
that haven't driven multiple types of race cars.

515
00:22:02.365 --> 00:22:05.755
Right? But the, the, the closest thing I can say is

516
00:22:05.755 --> 00:22:09.075
that the, and this, I dunno if this term makes any sense

517
00:22:09.255 --> 00:22:10.435
or is really relevant.

518
00:22:11.465 --> 00:22:15.075
There's just, there's no slop in anything mm-hmm . Right?

519
00:22:15.075 --> 00:22:17.555
Like, it's, it's a weird word to use when

520
00:22:17.555 --> 00:22:19.195
<v Speaker 3>You release the clutch for the first time, you're like,</v>

521
00:22:19.195 --> 00:22:21.155
oh my God, that's how it's supposed to be.

522
00:22:21.805 --> 00:22:24.435
<v Speaker 1>Right? And like the brake pedal, the throttle pedal,</v>

523
00:22:24.495 --> 00:22:28.395
the steering inputs, there's just, there's no slop,

524
00:22:28.425 --> 00:22:30.355
there's no margin, right?

525
00:22:30.385 --> 00:22:34.475
Like everything was built to the, within the nth degree

526
00:22:34.575 --> 00:22:36.475
of tolerance of what it needs to do.

527
00:22:37.175 --> 00:22:40.395
And so it just does it all so well.

528
00:22:41.375 --> 00:22:46.155
And you know, like I, I didn't, I mean, I got

529
00:22:46.705 --> 00:22:49.955
very limited dry running and so trying to push the limits

530
00:22:50.055 --> 00:22:52.875
and the fast stuff, but under like, just the way

531
00:22:52.875 --> 00:22:54.795
that compared to a wet tire in a dry

532
00:22:54.795 --> 00:22:55.915
track, you know what that's like, right?

533
00:22:55.915 --> 00:22:57.395
The whole thing sort of slides around,

534
00:22:57.415 --> 00:22:58.955
it moves on top of the tire or whatever.

535
00:22:59.225 --> 00:23:00.555
Then once you put the slicks on,

536
00:23:00.555 --> 00:23:02.755
the thing is just so responsive.

537
00:23:03.265 --> 00:23:04.995
Like it's unbelievable.

538
00:23:05.015 --> 00:23:07.755
And the fast section like six through nine at Magel,

539
00:23:07.825 --> 00:23:10.995
like trying to comprehend what this thing was capable of

540
00:23:11.095 --> 00:23:15.955
and I was nowhere near the limit of the car was unreal.

541
00:23:16.015 --> 00:23:18.955
The, and the braking, like the,

542
00:23:18.975 --> 00:23:20.995
the brake system is so efficient.

543
00:23:21.305 --> 00:23:24.275
Like you, you don't have to hit the pedal anywhere near

544
00:23:24.275 --> 00:23:25.395
as hard as you do in IndyCar.

545
00:23:25.395 --> 00:23:27.995
Yeah, true. Like, even though you're going so fast

546
00:23:28.095 --> 00:23:29.275
and you have so much down force

547
00:23:29.275 --> 00:23:31.955
and so much braking capability, the physical effort

548
00:23:31.955 --> 00:23:33.675
through the pedal, right?

549
00:23:33.855 --> 00:23:36.755
So I'm not talking about whatever pressure translates

550
00:23:36.755 --> 00:23:38.795
to the brake system and, and how all that stuff works.

551
00:23:39.135 --> 00:23:41.835
I'm talking about how hard as a driver you hit the pedal,

552
00:23:42.375 --> 00:23:44.995
it was a fraction of what you have to, like in any car,

553
00:23:45.060 --> 00:23:46.165
you're like, here we go.

554
00:23:47.185 --> 00:23:48.685
And you like, as hard

555
00:23:48.685 --> 00:23:50.765
as you physically can into the brake pedal

556
00:23:51.195 --> 00:23:53.885
with your left leg and trying to slow this thing down

557
00:23:54.585 --> 00:23:56.205
and the F1 car you just like ,

558
00:23:58.025 --> 00:24:00.645
you just like, just breathe on it.

559
00:24:00.645 --> 00:24:03.525
It's like, ugh, stopping so fast. It

560
00:24:03.605 --> 00:24:04.605
<v Speaker 3>Helps though.</v>

561
00:24:04.605 --> 00:24:05.605
It helps though when you breathe on it though,

562
00:24:05.605 --> 00:24:08.605
you've already got like four longitudinal G helping you.

563
00:24:08.715 --> 00:24:09.925
Yeah.  like put pressure

564
00:24:09.925 --> 00:24:11.845
<v Speaker 1>On the back, just lifting off the throttle. It's like,</v>

565
00:24:11.995 --> 00:24:12.995
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.</v>

566
00:24:12.995 --> 00:24:14.205
It's like, oh

567
00:24:14.395 --> 00:24:15.395
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.</v>

568
00:24:15.395 --> 00:24:16.525
It's, uh, so yeah, incredible

569
00:24:16.525 --> 00:24:17.605
<v Speaker 3>Experience takes on a whole new meaning.</v>

570
00:24:21.525 --> 00:24:24.605
<v Speaker 1>Unbelievable. So much fun, such a cool opportunity.</v>

571
00:24:24.815 --> 00:24:28.325
Can't thank, uh, Haas and, and and MoneyGram

572
00:24:28.345 --> 00:24:30.245
and everybody who let that happen.

573
00:24:30.625 --> 00:24:34.885
AO and Stew and, and everybody Dom. Um, yeah.

574
00:24:34.885 --> 00:24:36.085
What a day man, what a day.

575
00:24:36.225 --> 00:24:38.445
And again, I was bummed it wasn't dry the whole day,

576
00:24:38.505 --> 00:24:40.485
but I'm hoping that maybe

577
00:24:41.225 --> 00:24:44.285
at some point I can weasel my way into another one and, uh,

578
00:24:44.485 --> 00:24:47.245
and do, I was like, well the 26 cars are so different,

579
00:24:47.255 --> 00:24:49.245
we're gonna have to do it again with a 26 car

580
00:24:49.245 --> 00:24:51.125
to really get a good understanding of it.

581
00:24:51.125 --> 00:24:52.285
All right.

582
00:24:52.505 --> 00:24:55.845
<v Speaker 2>So it's a, I'm gonna put the ask out if anybody listens</v>

583
00:24:55.845 --> 00:24:58.245
to this has like a vast car collection

584
00:24:58.425 --> 00:25:01.805
and you have an F1 car from any year.

585
00:25:02.625 --> 00:25:03.845
Yes. Will you let me drive it like five?

586
00:25:03.845 --> 00:25:04.925
I would love to drive it five feet.

587
00:25:04.985 --> 00:25:06.925
No, I just wanna like nudge it a little bit.

588
00:25:07.205 --> 00:25:08.365
I just want it so that all three

589
00:25:08.365 --> 00:25:10.165
of us can say we've driven an F1 car.

590
00:25:10.525 --> 00:25:11.525
I don't need to drive it far.

591
00:25:12.045 --> 00:25:14.125
I just need to like, right, like five feet.

592
00:25:14.265 --> 00:25:15.605
<v Speaker 1>But right now, just right now</v>

593
00:25:16.185 --> 00:25:18.285
we can all say we've driven an F1 car

594
00:25:18.305 --> 00:25:20.205
and raced in the Indy 500. So

595
00:25:21.155 --> 00:25:22.155
<v Speaker 2>Okay.</v>

596
00:25:22.155 --> 00:25:24.325
Baby steps, we'll burn that bridge when we get to it.

597
00:25:24.985 --> 00:25:27.365
Um, yeah, I would just like to put it out. I don't know.

598
00:25:27.385 --> 00:25:28.925
You know, I feel like I have some friends

599
00:25:28.925 --> 00:25:30.685
that maybe have an old F1 car.

600
00:25:32.165 --> 00:25:33.245
Probably not. I mean, but

601
00:25:33.295 --> 00:25:34.295
<v Speaker 1>Mario has one.</v>

602
00:25:34.945 --> 00:25:37.965
<v Speaker 2>Oh, does he? Okay. Yeah, I was gonna say no, it's in car.</v>

603
00:25:38.115 --> 00:25:39.205
Just putting the ask out there. Yeah.

604
00:25:39.205 --> 00:25:40.405
I don't think any, any of any

605
00:25:40.405 --> 00:25:42.085
of our multimillionaire listeners

606
00:25:42.115 --> 00:25:44.125
that just have like a huge car collection

607
00:25:44.425 --> 00:25:46.405
and are down for a down for a laugh.

608
00:25:46.965 --> 00:25:48.645
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if Zach Brown listens to this,</v>

609
00:25:48.795 --> 00:25:50.205
he's got a bunch of old F1 cars.

610
00:25:50.435 --> 00:25:52.005
<v Speaker 3>Well, Tim, have you done anything? Cool.</v>

611
00:25:52.665 --> 00:25:54.405
<v Speaker 2>You know what? I have some racing to cover.</v>

612
00:25:54.905 --> 00:25:58.125
Um, Hazel had her first cross country track

613
00:25:58.225 --> 00:26:00.685
or cross country meet of the season yesterday.

614
00:26:01.815 --> 00:26:03.875
She did the, uh, she did the two miler

615
00:26:04.775 --> 00:26:07.795
and uh, she had a, a 2046.

616
00:26:09.255 --> 00:26:11.675
So, you know, just under six mile per hour pace. James,

617
00:26:12.255 --> 00:26:15.195
<v Speaker 3>Do you remember when Tim was training</v>

618
00:26:15.375 --> 00:26:16.915
and then ran a half marathon?

619
00:26:16.915 --> 00:26:20.395
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I do. I do.</v>
<v Speaker 2>I should do that again.</v>

620
00:26:20.635 --> 00:26:22.315
<v Speaker 3>Whatever happened. Whatever happened to that guy.</v>

621
00:26:23.395 --> 00:26:26.115
<v Speaker 1>I know</v>
<v Speaker 2>I ran along with Hazel for some of it</v>

622
00:26:26.215 --> 00:26:27.355
and then one of the refs was like,

623
00:26:27.355 --> 00:26:28.435
Hey, you can't do that. What?

624
00:26:28.895 --> 00:26:30.555
<v Speaker 3>Why?</v>
<v Speaker 2>He's like, you're trying</v>

625
00:26:30.555 --> 00:26:32.275
to like help her set her pace.

626
00:26:32.555 --> 00:26:34.715
I was like, nah, I'm trying to get pictures of my daughter.

627
00:26:34.945 --> 00:26:38.075
It's dumb GI guarantee you I'm not gonna run two miles.

628
00:26:39.195 --> 00:26:40.755
<v Speaker 1>I don't like that ref. Yes. Do you call</v>

629
00:26:40.865 --> 00:26:42.515
<v Speaker 2>Refs in cross country? I dunno.</v>

630
00:26:43.485 --> 00:26:45.885
<v Speaker 1>Whatever man. Whatever that guy was, I don't like him. Guy</v>

631
00:26:45.885 --> 00:26:47.165
<v Speaker 3>With a flag. Yeah.</v>

632
00:26:48.025 --> 00:26:50.645
<v Speaker 1>Uh, so now I'm in, uh, Singapore.</v>

633
00:26:51.075 --> 00:26:52.845
It's, it's the Grand Prix weekend here.

634
00:26:53.145 --> 00:26:55.125
But I had an interesting experience flying

635
00:26:55.145 --> 00:26:56.485
in as a travel podcast.

636
00:26:56.625 --> 00:26:58.765
You'll appreciate that as a pilot. You'll appreciate this.

637
00:26:59.305 --> 00:27:02.685
So flying again, second time this year on a 7 47,

638
00:27:03.535 --> 00:27:06.565
which again, I'm still shocked they're in existence,

639
00:27:06.625 --> 00:27:10.085
but whatever, 7 47 coming into

640
00:27:10.285 --> 00:27:12.965
Singapore, gliding in nicely.

641
00:27:14.145 --> 00:27:15.725
And I'm like, like we're just hovering.

642
00:27:15.725 --> 00:27:17.805
Like we're at that point we're like, we're just hovering

643
00:27:17.805 --> 00:27:20.125
above the ground and you're just waiting for 'em to kind

644
00:27:20.125 --> 00:27:22.525
of pull the throttle back to just get the,

645
00:27:22.545 --> 00:27:23.725
get the wheels down, whatever.

646
00:27:24.505 --> 00:27:26.925
And I'm like, man, a lot of, a lot

647
00:27:26.945 --> 00:27:29.165
of airport has gone by in the window.

648
00:27:29.395 --> 00:27:32.165
Like we're, this must be a long runway

649
00:27:33.105 --> 00:27:35.485
and then the rear wheels touch.

650
00:27:36.225 --> 00:27:37.805
And I was like, all right, I guess we're good.

651
00:27:38.465 --> 00:27:40.685
And then no sooner do the rear wheels touch.

652
00:27:40.715 --> 00:27:44.165
Does the guy just absolutely Matt the throttle and pull out

653
00:27:44.225 --> 00:27:45.405
and we do a touch and go

654
00:27:45.405 --> 00:27:47.285
and have to pull off, pull up again.

655
00:27:48.045 --> 00:27:50.285
'cause there was just a massive tailwind that the guy was,

656
00:27:50.345 --> 00:27:52.085
he was like zero throttle

657
00:27:52.145 --> 00:27:53.685
and just, we were just not falling.

658
00:27:54.825 --> 00:27:57.005
And so we had to go and we did a touch

659
00:27:57.005 --> 00:27:59.885
and go into 7 47, which I thought was kind of fun.

660
00:28:00.285 --> 00:28:01.525
<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't think that'd be that fun.</v>

661
00:28:02.085 --> 00:28:03.725
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm sure he was panicking a little bit,</v>

662
00:28:03.745 --> 00:28:04.845
but I thought it was kind of cool.

663
00:28:05.345 --> 00:28:07.245
<v Speaker 3>No, I mean, what's the worst that can happen?</v>

664
00:28:07.245 --> 00:28:10.925
What's, what's funny, what's funny about jets,

665
00:28:11.395 --> 00:28:16.165
well passenger jets is, um, you would think,

666
00:28:16.475 --> 00:28:20.005
well they are 100 per,

667
00:28:20.005 --> 00:28:24.125
they're 99% more capable than general aviation propeller

668
00:28:24.325 --> 00:28:27.645
airplanes in all conditions except one.

669
00:28:28.545 --> 00:28:30.965
And that's go around really?

670
00:28:31.105 --> 00:28:33.205
Um, because not, not

671
00:28:33.205 --> 00:28:37.725
because, um, they're lacking thrust and lift

672
00:28:37.785 --> 00:28:39.565
and capability and performance and everything.

673
00:28:40.065 --> 00:28:44.645
But there's such a, there's such a delay in terms

674
00:28:44.705 --> 00:28:47.925
of when they like go full juice right

675
00:28:48.465 --> 00:28:50.285
to the turbine spinning up

676
00:28:50.785 --> 00:28:52.725
to them actually generating thrust

677
00:28:53.225 --> 00:28:54.885
to then creating enough thrust

678
00:28:55.065 --> 00:28:58.005
and such to relift off and everything.

679
00:28:58.485 --> 00:29:01.325
I bet from the time he decided to go around

680
00:29:01.865 --> 00:29:03.645
to the time you were in the air was a solid,

681
00:29:03.715 --> 00:29:04.885
like pushing 10 seconds.

682
00:29:05.155 --> 00:29:08.205
Whereas on a prop plane you just hammer it

683
00:29:08.205 --> 00:29:09.845
and it like sorts itself out.

684
00:29:10.005 --> 00:29:11.565
'cause it's immediate throttle

685
00:29:11.785 --> 00:29:13.325
and immediate propeller thing in

686
00:29:13.325 --> 00:29:14.405
your back in the air. That is,

687
00:29:14.675 --> 00:29:16.285
<v Speaker 1>That is so interesting because I</v>

688
00:29:16.285 --> 00:29:19.685
<v Speaker 3>Prefer not knowing</v>
<v Speaker 1>That IKI kind of thought that was</v>

689
00:29:20.275 --> 00:29:21.325
sort of how it worked.

690
00:29:21.465 --> 00:29:22.525
Mm-hmm . In the sense

691
00:29:22.525 --> 00:29:24.805
that I didn't think the throttle response was

692
00:29:24.805 --> 00:29:26.285
like super immediate.

693
00:29:26.385 --> 00:29:27.605
Oh, no, no.

694
00:29:27.625 --> 00:29:31.085
But I remember thinking like, I was floored that as soon

695
00:29:31.085 --> 00:29:35.445
as it felt like from in the plane, they made the decision

696
00:29:35.505 --> 00:29:37.405
to go back up.

697
00:29:37.545 --> 00:29:40.125
It was ama it was, I'm like, oh my God, I can't believe

698
00:29:40.125 --> 00:29:42.125
how quickly that thing accelerated.

699
00:29:42.285 --> 00:29:43.565
I mean, it's a jumbo jet. No.

700
00:29:43.565 --> 00:29:45.045
<v Speaker 3>So they would've gone, it's massive gone.</v>

701
00:29:45.045 --> 00:29:48.685
They would've gone like from 40%, let's call it to a hundred

702
00:29:48.905 --> 00:29:52.685
and then they would've been watching like the, the revs.

703
00:29:52.715 --> 00:29:54.645
It's not revs, but the revs go up

704
00:29:55.425 --> 00:29:57.605
and it would've been building, it would've been like ball.

705
00:29:57.835 --> 00:29:59.925
<v Speaker 1>It's almost like, it's almost like they made</v>

706
00:29:59.925 --> 00:30:02.605
that commitment before we even touched the rear wheels down.

707
00:30:03.265 --> 00:30:05.285
But we were still like, ah, we've committed to this.

708
00:30:05.305 --> 00:30:07.445
And he is just kinda like wheeling the thing.

709
00:30:07.445 --> 00:30:08.525
Yeah, because the front never touched.

710
00:30:08.525 --> 00:30:10.645
Yeah, that's like wheeling up the runways.

711
00:30:11.595 --> 00:30:14.605
<v Speaker 3>Wind, wind shear is a really bad thing for jets.</v>

712
00:30:14.985 --> 00:30:17.245
Um, and they've got wor they've got weather systems

713
00:30:17.345 --> 00:30:19.365
and now will have a warning

714
00:30:19.785 --> 00:30:22.285
and the planes have a wind shear detection in it

715
00:30:22.285 --> 00:30:25.485
because passenger jet have crashed on arrival

716
00:30:25.755 --> 00:30:26.805
with nothing wrong with them

717
00:30:26.805 --> 00:30:30.365
because the wind will go from being a headwind to a tailwind

718
00:30:30.385 --> 00:30:31.965
as you're dropping through an altitude layer.

719
00:30:32.425 --> 00:30:35.805
And because of this phenomenon of a turbine engine,

720
00:30:35.985 --> 00:30:37.365
it can't recover fast enough.

721
00:30:37.715 --> 00:30:38.845
Whereas when you're in a,

722
00:30:38.995 --> 00:30:39.995
<v Speaker 2>When you're a plane, this's fun.</v>

723
00:30:40.395 --> 00:30:41.845
This is cool to know all this. Now

724
00:30:41.845 --> 00:30:43.445
<v Speaker 3>When you're being a non-urban plane,</v>

725
00:30:43.715 --> 00:30:44.925
wind shear doesn't really matter.

726
00:30:45.055 --> 00:30:46.205
It'll be bumpy or whatever,

727
00:30:46.205 --> 00:30:47.965
but if you had to get out of it, like I said,

728
00:30:47.965 --> 00:30:49.205
there's an instant kind

729
00:30:49.205 --> 00:30:51.725
of climb out performance whereas on a jet there

730
00:30:51.725 --> 00:30:52.765
isn't. So sorry

731
00:30:53.145 --> 00:30:57.005
<v Speaker 2>You say climax performance</v>
<v Speaker 3>Clx out, but also,</v>

732
00:30:57.595 --> 00:30:58.595
<v Speaker 2>Okay.</v>

733
00:30:58.715 --> 00:31:00.125
<v Speaker 3>Yeah,</v>
<v Speaker 2>That's what I</v>

734
00:31:00.125 --> 00:31:01.125
<v Speaker 1>Heard.</v>

735
00:31:01.125 --> 00:31:02.045
What would you tell about climax performance?

736
00:31:02.555 --> 00:31:06.445
<v Speaker 2>Okay guys, we had a comment on our YouTube</v>

737
00:31:06.445 --> 00:31:09.805
that I sent you guys yesterday complaining about us spending

738
00:31:09.805 --> 00:31:11.085
too long talking about soup.

739
00:31:11.585 --> 00:31:14.325
And he was very clear that that's not why he's here.

740
00:31:15.105 --> 00:31:17.045
Uh, he's here to listen to us talk racing.

741
00:31:17.465 --> 00:31:19.525
So any good soups lately?

742
00:31:19.925 --> 00:31:21.205
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, I don't like soup,</v>

743
00:31:21.385 --> 00:31:22.885
so I gotta say no on that.

744
00:31:23.115 --> 00:31:24.125
It's a no from me dog.

745
00:31:24.125 --> 00:31:26.285
<v Speaker 3>Was this Brad from Brownsburg or Avon or</v>

746
00:31:26.355 --> 00:31:27.355
<v Speaker 2>Whoever?</v>

747
00:31:27.355 --> 00:31:29.725
I was somebody on the thing. I sent it to you guys. Hmm.

748
00:31:29.925 --> 00:31:33.205
I feel like out, out of anger for that, I went

749
00:31:33.205 --> 00:31:36.285
and had a french onion soup at the farmer's market just

750
00:31:36.305 --> 00:31:37.925
to like have some soup to talk about

751
00:31:38.345 --> 00:31:39.965
<v Speaker 1>My, what</v>
<v Speaker 2>Are our feelings? Burn</v>

752
00:31:39.965 --> 00:31:40.965
<v Speaker 1>Your mouth.</v>

753
00:31:40.965 --> 00:31:43.885
My in-laws had a french onion soup in Italy that was

754
00:31:44.545 --> 00:31:49.205
the thickest meatiest french onion soup I've ever seen.

755
00:31:49.385 --> 00:31:50.925
It was a meal by the time their mains came,

756
00:31:51.045 --> 00:31:52.605
they just packed 'em up and took 'em home

757
00:31:52.605 --> 00:31:54.005
because the french onion soup

758
00:31:54.035 --> 00:31:54.845
<v Speaker 2>Pool. That sounds like a good</v>

759
00:31:54.845 --> 00:31:55.845
<v Speaker 1>Meal.</v>

760
00:31:55.845 --> 00:31:59.645
I mean, if you liked soup, it sounded like a nice program.

761
00:32:00.585 --> 00:32:04.005
Uh, it's not my thing, so I wasn't all about it.

762
00:32:04.065 --> 00:32:08.085
But yeah, they, there's a great french onion soup meal meal

763
00:32:09.215 --> 00:32:11.155
at a little Italian restaurant in,

764
00:32:11.315 --> 00:32:12.875
I don't know, somewhere Italy.

765
00:32:13.695 --> 00:32:15.315
Anyway, uh, that's,

766
00:32:15.315 --> 00:32:16.995
that's all the soup talk we have time for

767
00:32:17.145 --> 00:32:19.555
<v Speaker 2>Alex, you don't have any soup? No soup to talk about.</v>

768
00:32:19.775 --> 00:32:23.355
<v Speaker 1>So in the actual racing world, uh, there was some news,</v>

769
00:32:24.015 --> 00:32:25.675
uh, that has emerged.

770
00:32:25.925 --> 00:32:29.875
First and foremost, Dennis Hauger, who won the Indie Lights

771
00:32:30.685 --> 00:32:32.835
slash Next championship, uh,

772
00:32:32.835 --> 00:32:34.635
within Dre this year is confirmed

773
00:32:34.635 --> 00:32:37.395
with Delco racing, which is great.

774
00:32:37.635 --> 00:32:39.725
I mean, another example of, you know,

775
00:32:39.765 --> 00:32:42.165
a young driver coming out of, uh, Indy next

776
00:32:42.385 --> 00:32:46.245
and getting straight into the big show full season, uh,

777
00:32:46.585 --> 00:32:49.565
as well as an andretti technical partnership with them.

778
00:32:49.705 --> 00:32:53.045
So clearly still some ties between Hauger

779
00:32:53.105 --> 00:32:54.245
and the Andretti Squad.

780
00:32:55.025 --> 00:32:58.845
Um, which is cool, man, I'm excited, I'm excited to see

781
00:32:58.845 --> 00:33:00.605
what he can do behind the wheel of an IndyCar

782
00:33:00.995 --> 00:33:04.445
because I feel like in the last, you know,

783
00:33:04.545 --> 00:33:07.605
10 years we've seen some drivers come outta lights that

784
00:33:09.315 --> 00:33:11.045
were dominant in lights

785
00:33:11.665 --> 00:33:13.925
and kind of struggled with the transition up.

786
00:33:13.985 --> 00:33:15.365
And I feel like we've seen some drivers

787
00:33:15.795 --> 00:33:17.965
that were decent in lights,

788
00:33:18.065 --> 00:33:21.965
but maybe not the complete headline sort of guys

789
00:33:23.355 --> 00:33:24.485
that got into the big cars

790
00:33:24.505 --> 00:33:25.925
and like something just sort of clicked

791
00:33:25.925 --> 00:33:27.525
and we saw some really good performances.

792
00:33:27.835 --> 00:33:30.205
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Um, who knows, who knows?</v>

793
00:33:30.345 --> 00:33:32.245
I'm, I'm glad that, you know,

794
00:33:32.245 --> 00:33:33.685
we've talked a lot about this show

795
00:33:34.225 --> 00:33:36.765
or a lot on this show about the road to Indy.

796
00:33:37.025 --> 00:33:39.285
Um, a lot of our guests have talked about the road to Indy

797
00:33:39.285 --> 00:33:41.205
and, and what an amazing program it is

798
00:33:41.205 --> 00:33:44.365
and how it's unlike anything else on the planet really.

799
00:33:44.585 --> 00:33:47.005
Um, and there was a couple years there where, you know,

800
00:33:47.065 --> 00:33:49.765
it was really successful in getting guys from let's say

801
00:33:49.855 --> 00:33:52.125
carts to lights, but then the step from lights

802
00:33:52.185 --> 00:33:53.965
to Indy car, it wasn't really happening.

803
00:33:54.945 --> 00:33:57.805
And it seems that the past couple years, you know, the guys

804
00:33:57.805 --> 00:33:59.645
that have won the Lights Championship have gotten the

805
00:33:59.645 --> 00:34:00.765
opportunities in IndyCar

806
00:34:01.025 --> 00:34:04.485
and it's really making the road to Indy the complete pathway

807
00:34:04.675 --> 00:34:05.725
that it was set out to be.

808
00:34:05.825 --> 00:34:08.405
So credit to everyone, um, involved in that

809
00:34:08.405 --> 00:34:09.485
for making that what it is.

810
00:34:09.485 --> 00:34:13.365
Because it would've been really sad if someone like Hager

811
00:34:13.365 --> 00:34:17.205
after the performances that he had in 2025 wasn't able

812
00:34:17.205 --> 00:34:19.765
to make the step for, you know, reason X, Y, and Z.

813
00:34:19.785 --> 00:34:22.325
So that's great. The technical partnership thing.

814
00:34:22.465 --> 00:34:24.205
You know, I think, I'm not saying this

815
00:34:24.355 --> 00:34:28.245
because I'm, I'm driving for a team that doesn't have one.

816
00:34:28.785 --> 00:34:31.325
Um, because I had the same opinion at McLaren

817
00:34:31.325 --> 00:34:33.725
and quite frankly I had the same opinion at Andretti.

818
00:34:33.725 --> 00:34:35.765
The technical partnerships are getting a little annoying,

819
00:34:36.705 --> 00:34:41.605
um,  because I just, I I don't, I don't know, I don't know

820
00:34:41.675 --> 00:34:46.005
what it is benefiting, um, aside from, well, I know exactly

821
00:34:46.005 --> 00:34:49.005
what is benefiting, it's benefiting one guy's bank account

822
00:34:49.385 --> 00:34:52.325
and it's benefiting another team's performance.

823
00:34:53.145 --> 00:34:54.685
But in terms of the series, you know,

824
00:34:54.685 --> 00:34:55.805
<v Speaker 1>Formula One, it seem like two pretty</v>

825
00:34:55.805 --> 00:34:59.835
<v Speaker 3>Good things has the Formula One has, you know, kind</v>

826
00:34:59.835 --> 00:35:01.755
of a, a stance on this.

827
00:35:02.095 --> 00:35:04.675
The, the Toroso Red Bull relationship has always

828
00:35:04.675 --> 00:35:05.715
been in a gray area.

829
00:35:06.695 --> 00:35:09.915
Um, the hos Ferrari relationship was always a

830
00:35:09.915 --> 00:35:10.955
little bit in a gray area.

831
00:35:12.315 --> 00:35:15.555
I just, I I'm, what do you think about it, James?

832
00:35:15.665 --> 00:35:17.915
Like, it, it seems that it's getting a little bit

833
00:35:18.725 --> 00:35:20.075
outta hand, um,

834
00:35:20.185 --> 00:35:22.515
because now quite frankly, you've got

835
00:35:23.285 --> 00:35:24.955
quite can askia with a B team.

836
00:35:25.495 --> 00:35:27.275
You've got Penske with the B team,

837
00:35:27.935 --> 00:35:29.595
you've got Andretti with the B team.

838
00:35:30.455 --> 00:35:34.915
So you've got the three, the three heavy hitter teams all

839
00:35:34.915 --> 00:35:36.155
with subsidiary teams.

840
00:35:37.895 --> 00:35:39.035
Is that a good thing?

841
00:35:39.495 --> 00:35:40.675
Is that a bad thing

842
00:35:40.735 --> 00:35:43.475
or is that a thing that is completely irrelevant from

843
00:35:43.475 --> 00:35:45.435
someone that is commentating on the series

844
00:35:45.655 --> 00:35:46.715
and for our fan base,

845
00:35:47.415 --> 00:35:48.415
<v Speaker 1>Et cetera?</v>

846
00:35:48.415 --> 00:35:48.915
That is a great question.

847
00:35:49.145 --> 00:35:50.795
That is a, that's a very good question.

848
00:35:51.075 --> 00:35:52.915
I guess I, let me, let me answer it

849
00:35:53.015 --> 00:35:55.675
by countering with a question.

850
00:35:56.575 --> 00:36:00.755
In saying that, do you think that

851
00:36:01.265 --> 00:36:05.035
technical partnerships, Allah, Anasi

852
00:36:05.035 --> 00:36:07.195
and Shank, Ella Penske

853
00:36:07.195 --> 00:36:10.155
and Foyt Ella, uh, Andretti and,

854
00:36:10.255 --> 00:36:15.155
and Dale Coin, do you think that they have a

855
00:36:15.825 --> 00:36:17.355
massive, or let's call it,

856
00:36:17.355 --> 00:36:20.115
let's not let's call it a meaningful, um,

857
00:36:21.335 --> 00:36:25.795
impact on the, you know, I not to use the term in like a,

858
00:36:25.795 --> 00:36:28.875
in a bad way, but like the, in the B team's performance.

859
00:36:29.375 --> 00:36:32.395
Do you, do you think that it's to the point where

860
00:36:33.435 --> 00:36:37.035
those teams are performing at a level that they would

861
00:36:37.035 --> 00:36:41.195
otherwise not be without that technical partnership?

862
00:36:41.305 --> 00:36:42.835
<v Speaker 3>Well, I think it's certainly allowing</v>

863
00:36:42.835 --> 00:36:44.075
those teams to do that, yes.

864
00:36:44.455 --> 00:36:47.275
Um, I don't think there's any evidence contrary to that.

865
00:36:48.175 --> 00:36:50.035
Um, and,

866
00:36:50.255 --> 00:36:54.875
and where, where, it's weird for me,

867
00:36:55.455 --> 00:36:57.635
and this is coming from a non-competitor standpoint.

868
00:36:57.635 --> 00:37:00.715
This is me taking a step back saying I'm not driving against

869
00:37:01.025 --> 00:37:04.955
said cars, is, there was a very clear

870
00:37:05.825 --> 00:37:09.755
direction from IndyCar in terms of the future of the series

871
00:37:10.575 --> 00:37:14.675
of having teams that brought, um,

872
00:37:15.275 --> 00:37:16.315
a certain level of quality

873
00:37:16.375 --> 00:37:17.795
and commitment to the championship.

874
00:37:18.855 --> 00:37:22.635
Um, and they were rewarded with a charter, right?

875
00:37:22.645 --> 00:37:24.155
We've seen the rumors that have come out

876
00:37:24.385 --> 00:37:26.075
regarding Prema as of late.

877
00:37:26.735 --> 00:37:28.435
Um, and you know,

878
00:37:28.435 --> 00:37:30.315
there are potential future in the series all kind

879
00:37:30.315 --> 00:37:32.515
of being linked to, to big spend

880
00:37:32.895 --> 00:37:35.195
for not any really guarantee of anything

881
00:37:35.195 --> 00:37:36.955
because you don't have a charter, right?

882
00:37:36.955 --> 00:37:38.195
Because we've talked about the charter

883
00:37:38.215 --> 00:37:41.835
and the value of a race team without a charter is purely

884
00:37:41.835 --> 00:37:42.915
just the equipment that you have,

885
00:37:42.915 --> 00:37:45.115
which is whatever the value of that equipment is.

886
00:37:45.295 --> 00:37:47.115
It could be 10 cents on the dollar,

887
00:37:47.175 --> 00:37:48.515
it could be 20 cents on dollar or whatever.

888
00:37:48.515 --> 00:37:51.275
It's right. So IndyCar took a very hard

889
00:37:51.275 --> 00:37:54.115
and fast stance that we wanna have 27 charters,

890
00:37:54.455 --> 00:37:56.995
we wanna have it limited to three charters per team,

891
00:37:57.495 --> 00:38:00.115
and we want it to be about the quality of the teams

892
00:38:00.575 --> 00:38:01.675
and the people that have been

893
00:38:01.675 --> 00:38:02.715
here through the thick and thin.

894
00:38:02.715 --> 00:38:03.995
We wanna reward them for that.

895
00:38:05.015 --> 00:38:08.635
I'm just wondering, by making it so

896
00:38:08.665 --> 00:38:12.075
that the big teams are having now

897
00:38:13.055 --> 00:38:14.795
an influence on the small teams

898
00:38:15.415 --> 00:38:18.515
or on a select amount of small teams, is that really

899
00:38:19.675 --> 00:38:23.375
bringing the best organizations into the field

900
00:38:24.355 --> 00:38:25.735
for these charter programs?

901
00:38:26.195 --> 00:38:28.615
That's my only question because, you know, I,

902
00:38:28.715 --> 00:38:30.575
and I'm speaking only from, I don't know

903
00:38:30.575 --> 00:38:32.455
how the current systems are set up.

904
00:38:33.535 --> 00:38:36.605
I, all I know is that when the technical partnership existed

905
00:38:36.605 --> 00:38:40.285
between Andretti and Shank, you know, all of those engineers

906
00:38:40.305 --> 00:38:42.845
and such were Andretti employees, right?

907
00:38:42.845 --> 00:38:45.165
Those weren't actually Shank engineers,

908
00:38:45.165 --> 00:38:46.285
they were Shank mechanics,

909
00:38:46.285 --> 00:38:48.125
but they were, they were Andretti employees, right?

910
00:38:48.745 --> 00:38:50.815
So that,

911
00:38:51.085 --> 00:38:54.575
that IP is still being kept in house at Andretti.

912
00:38:54.595 --> 00:38:56.175
So when Andretti decides to leave,

913
00:38:56.755 --> 00:38:59.695
if Shank doesn't find another suitable replacement,

914
00:38:59.785 --> 00:39:04.375
which they did in GSI Shank is is going to take, its,

915
00:39:05.265 --> 00:39:06.925
you would imagine a step down, right?

916
00:39:06.925 --> 00:39:08.605
Because even though they've been in the championship

917
00:39:08.625 --> 00:39:09.765
for the past two or three years,

918
00:39:10.395 --> 00:39:13.205
they haven't been developing their own

919
00:39:13.775 --> 00:39:15.405
stuff and their own things.

920
00:39:15.465 --> 00:39:17.965
You know, we've, we've heard about the Foy relationship,

921
00:39:17.985 --> 00:39:21.005
if it were to end all of the good stuff

922
00:39:21.155 --> 00:39:24.725
that was brought over would go away, right?

923
00:39:24.795 --> 00:39:27.005
It's not like you, you pay, you know,

924
00:39:27.065 --> 00:39:28.885
for the technical support for a year

925
00:39:29.505 --> 00:39:32.445
and then that's, you know, IP that you get to keep,

926
00:39:32.445 --> 00:39:34.205
you're just basically renting the services

927
00:39:34.425 --> 00:39:35.525
of that big team, right?

928
00:39:35.545 --> 00:39:39.325
So that's, that's my only caveat to it is is is it really

929
00:39:40.205 --> 00:39:42.485
bringing up all of the teams into the level that

930
00:39:42.485 --> 00:39:43.605
that IndyCar is wanting?

931
00:39:44.505 --> 00:39:47.325
<v Speaker 1>So your argument, you, sorry, your position on it is more</v>

932
00:39:47.915 --> 00:39:52.725
that those teams are so beholden to the whim

933
00:39:52.725 --> 00:39:55.165
of the, the A teams in terms of whether

934
00:39:55.165 --> 00:39:58.645
or not that they continue on those partnerships

935
00:39:58.675 --> 00:40:01.405
that it's not really bringing the team to a higher level.

936
00:40:01.585 --> 00:40:02.885
<v Speaker 3>My my my only point is,</v>

937
00:40:02.885 --> 00:40:05.845
and it's just an argument, right, is you've got Prema,

938
00:40:05.845 --> 00:40:08.685
right, who is invested, a huge amount of capital

939
00:40:09.265 --> 00:40:13.125
has brought in people from overseas has really tried to

940
00:40:13.905 --> 00:40:16.285
figure out how to go IndyCar racing

941
00:40:16.585 --> 00:40:19.005
and make Indy cars go fast.

942
00:40:19.145 --> 00:40:20.405
And that's a very hard thing

943
00:40:20.425 --> 00:40:22.845
to do from the European way of racing.

944
00:40:22.905 --> 00:40:25.485
We saw it with Carlin, we saw the struggle that that was,

945
00:40:26.135 --> 00:40:27.445
we've seen it in the past, right?

946
00:40:27.505 --> 00:40:31.125
And Prema was no exception, albeit for going on pole

947
00:40:31.125 --> 00:40:32.205
for the Indianapolis 500.

948
00:40:33.065 --> 00:40:37.005
So Prema, if they were to leave the championship, let's say,

949
00:40:37.345 --> 00:40:39.245
and if they were to leave the championship

950
00:40:39.245 --> 00:40:41.205
because they weren't able to have a charter

951
00:40:41.585 --> 00:40:43.085
and have a guarantee of a future

952
00:40:43.925 --> 00:40:45.085
earnings in the sport, right?

953
00:40:45.455 --> 00:40:47.765
Let's say those things happened and it was

954
00:40:47.765 --> 00:40:49.645
because there was a team that was existing

955
00:40:49.985 --> 00:40:53.245
and they were basically renting performance.

956
00:40:54.795 --> 00:40:56.175
Is that, is that right?

957
00:40:56.995 --> 00:40:59.495
Is my only question because Primo went about,

958
00:40:59.495 --> 00:41:00.855
and I'm not saying there's a right or a wrong way.

959
00:41:00.875 --> 00:41:04.095
I'm saying they went about it to the traditional way, right?

960
00:41:04.155 --> 00:41:07.335
And are not being guaranteed or rewarded anything.

961
00:41:07.765 --> 00:41:11.015
Meanwhile, teams are going about it the non-traditional way.

962
00:41:11.015 --> 00:41:12.055
It's the very efficient way.

963
00:41:12.195 --> 00:41:14.175
If I was a team owner, I'd probably do the exact same thing

964
00:41:14.175 --> 00:41:15.255
because hundred percent.

965
00:41:15.255 --> 00:41:16.975
If I could spend X amount of millions of dollars

966
00:41:17.435 --> 00:41:19.055
and have instant performance

967
00:41:19.445 --> 00:41:21.855
with another team's 15 years developed

968
00:41:22.155 --> 00:41:23.615
ip, of course I'm gonna do that.

969
00:41:25.105 --> 00:41:27.525
But is that, is that really elevating the championship?

970
00:41:28.425 --> 00:41:30.645
<v Speaker 1>So the, the two points I'll make,</v>

971
00:41:30.645 --> 00:41:34.165
and again, not necessarily in support or or opposition to,

972
00:41:34.225 --> 00:41:35.805
but it's just the two sort of points

973
00:41:35.905 --> 00:41:39.205
to I think keep in consideration anything that

974
00:41:39.715 --> 00:41:43.245
condenses the field from a performance standpoint is good

975
00:41:43.245 --> 00:41:44.725
for the sport globally, right?

976
00:41:44.725 --> 00:41:46.245
Because you're increasing competition.

977
00:41:46.385 --> 00:41:47.645
So if you've got Dale coin racing

978
00:41:47.995 --> 00:41:50.725
that is normally a second off the pace of Andretti

979
00:41:50.865 --> 00:41:53.845
and now all of a sudden with the same equipment, you know,

980
00:41:53.895 --> 00:41:58.325
sorry, with some shared engineering prowess Yeah.

981
00:41:58.345 --> 00:42:00.205
We bring that down to four-tenths

982
00:42:00.595 --> 00:42:02.485
that brings more people into the mix

983
00:42:02.505 --> 00:42:04.325
and essentially in theory makes the

984
00:42:04.325 --> 00:42:05.365
racing tighter and better.

985
00:42:05.505 --> 00:42:09.165
So you could argue that that helps the championship in a

986
00:42:09.165 --> 00:42:10.165
global sense, right?

987
00:42:11.155 --> 00:42:14.725
From the, the, the prema example is a good one in terms

988
00:42:14.725 --> 00:42:15.725
of the charter program.

989
00:42:16.705 --> 00:42:18.565
But I think the caveat to

990
00:42:18.565 --> 00:42:22.085
that is you've got a team like Dale who

991
00:42:22.975 --> 00:42:25.045
maybe doesn't have the, the resources

992
00:42:25.425 --> 00:42:28.525
or has never had the resource that Prema did getting going,

993
00:42:29.105 --> 00:42:32.445
but has put in, you know, 35 years

994
00:42:32.825 --> 00:42:36.125
or whatever of, of blood sweat, tears

995
00:42:36.345 --> 00:42:38.365
and cash into the series.

996
00:42:39.185 --> 00:42:42.885
So fine, he's now trying to increase the performance

997
00:42:42.885 --> 00:42:46.125
of his team through this per the rules currently totally

998
00:42:46.125 --> 00:42:47.205
legitimate way.

999
00:42:48.465 --> 00:42:52.645
Are you saying that he's not as, uh,

1000
00:42:52.915 --> 00:42:55.245
deserving of a charter because he is doing that?

1001
00:42:55.395 --> 00:42:58.165
When you look at the fact that he's put in 35 years

1002
00:42:58.185 --> 00:42:59.925
of being in the series versus prema

1003
00:42:59.925 --> 00:43:01.045
that's shown up in year one.

1004
00:43:01.105 --> 00:43:02.645
No. Spent a bunch of money. Sure.

1005
00:43:02.745 --> 00:43:05.965
But are they more deserving than a guy

1006
00:43:06.005 --> 00:43:07.085
that's been here for three decades?

1007
00:43:07.085 --> 00:43:10.165
<v Speaker 3>That's a, that's a no, and that's a very valid point.</v>

1008
00:43:10.805 --> 00:43:15.515
I, I would say my only then rebuttal to that is Dale,

1009
00:43:15.945 --> 00:43:18.515
this partnership is alleged to be only one car

1010
00:43:19.165 --> 00:43:21.505
and it's only alleged to be the Hogger car

1011
00:43:21.505 --> 00:43:24.665
because Dennis is under some sort of

1012
00:43:25.335 --> 00:43:27.545
further longer term relationship

1013
00:43:27.985 --> 00:43:29.385
<v Speaker 1>Umbrella agreements you have</v>
<v Speaker 3>No idea about, right?</v>

1014
00:43:29.395 --> 00:43:33.545
Right. So you're gonna have, you're gonna have one car

1015
00:43:33.735 --> 00:43:35.625
that is adding to the competition

1016
00:43:36.085 --> 00:43:37.625
and then you're gonna have another car,

1017
00:43:38.195 --> 00:43:40.545
which in theory will be quite a bit different.

1018
00:43:41.485 --> 00:43:45.145
And so for whatever driver that gets in that car, whether

1019
00:43:45.205 --> 00:43:48.945
that's um, a guy that finished second place in indie lights

1020
00:43:48.965 --> 00:43:50.705
or third place IND lights or someone from App

1021
00:43:50.705 --> 00:43:51.825
two or wherever, right?

1022
00:43:51.965 --> 00:43:53.145
In the sports cars, whoever

1023
00:43:53.145 --> 00:43:55.905
<v Speaker 1>Former F1 guy</v>
<v Speaker 3>That's gonna, that,</v>

1024
00:43:56.125 --> 00:43:58.545
that's not a really good situation to have

1025
00:43:58.545 --> 00:44:02.045
because then you're having a rookie, right?

1026
00:44:02.425 --> 00:44:05.325
Having all of this support of a bigger team

1027
00:44:06.225 --> 00:44:08.405
and in under the same umbrella you're having a rookie

1028
00:44:08.555 --> 00:44:10.605
that can have very, um,

1029
00:44:11.625 --> 00:44:13.555
drastically different fortunes

1030
00:44:14.025 --> 00:44:15.675
because they're with the original

1031
00:44:17.005 --> 00:44:18.485
Dale Coin racing team, right?

1032
00:44:18.575 --> 00:44:22.445
Which in some, in, in some respects is phenomenal.

1033
00:44:22.445 --> 00:44:23.845
Like you look at what they did this year,

1034
00:44:24.515 --> 00:44:25.765
they beat me in the championship.

1035
00:44:26.145 --> 00:44:28.085
So it's not saying anything against Dale Quinn racing.

1036
00:44:28.505 --> 00:44:30.845
All I'm saying is you're, we're starting

1037
00:44:30.845 --> 00:44:33.655
to really muddy the waters here in terms of

1038
00:44:34.865 --> 00:44:36.295
teams aren't allowed

1039
00:44:36.315 --> 00:44:40.515
to have more than three charters per the rules.

1040
00:44:41.175 --> 00:44:43.915
So what they are now doing is they're basically buying

1041
00:44:44.065 --> 00:44:45.355
cars at other teams.

1042
00:44:45.385 --> 00:44:46.555
They're not even doing it

1043
00:44:46.615 --> 00:44:48.235
for whole teams and having whole B teams.

1044
00:44:48.235 --> 00:44:52.355
They're just buying individual cars to place their drivers

1045
00:44:52.905 --> 00:44:54.555
because they don't wanna lose them.

1046
00:44:55.375 --> 00:44:57.355
But it's under different umbrellas and branding

1047
00:44:57.355 --> 00:44:58.355
and it's just, it's getting,

1048
00:44:58.875 --> 00:45:00.755
I feel like it's heading in a direction that gets messy

1049
00:45:01.335 --> 00:45:03.195
and does hurt the integrity

1050
00:45:03.295 --> 00:45:05.275
of the whole system that was designed.

1051
00:45:06.185 --> 00:45:08.315
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't, I don't disagree with that.</v>

1052
00:45:08.715 --> 00:45:12.075
I think for me, the one thing that is glaringly, you know,

1053
00:45:12.075 --> 00:45:15.195
standout in this is that having a different number

1054
00:45:15.255 --> 00:45:18.835
of cars allowed in the field than charters seems

1055
00:45:19.905 --> 00:45:21.355
fundamentally flawed.

1056
00:45:21.825 --> 00:45:25.075
It's, it's different in NASCAR when teams and,

1057
00:45:25.295 --> 00:45:29.435
or sorry, I guess tracks can accommodate more than

1058
00:45:29.465 --> 00:45:30.755
what the charter number is,

1059
00:45:30.855 --> 00:45:35.155
but like if we just went to 26 charters

1060
00:45:35.775 --> 00:45:39.755
and only 26 cars allowed

1061
00:45:39.775 --> 00:45:40.915
to enter any given race,

1062
00:45:41.905 --> 00:45:43.475
we'd eliminate some of that problem.

1063
00:45:44.415 --> 00:45:47.315
You could tackle the technical partnerships a different way,

1064
00:45:47.375 --> 00:45:49.755
but like having 25 charters,

1065
00:45:49.755 --> 00:45:53.555
but allowing 27 cars to show up to a race

1066
00:45:53.655 --> 00:45:57.395
and start a race so you could potentially have 29 cars show

1067
00:45:57.395 --> 00:46:00.395
up, but only 27 start, but only 25 have charter.

1068
00:46:00.945 --> 00:46:03.195
That whole thing seems so convoluted and messy to me.

1069
00:46:03.355 --> 00:46:06.795
I think we should pick 26, make it 26 charters,

1070
00:46:06.895 --> 00:46:09.275
26 cars chart every race outside Indy

1071
00:46:09.535 --> 00:46:11.435
and let's actually create some value

1072
00:46:11.695 --> 00:46:13.675
to owning one of those charters.

1073
00:46:14.515 --> 00:46:16.795
'cause right now you can spend all this money like Prima did

1074
00:46:17.185 --> 00:46:18.235
without any guarantee

1075
00:46:18.235 --> 00:46:20.195
that you're gonna be in races if someone else shows out.

1076
00:46:20.195 --> 00:46:22.835
Like the whole thing just seems a little bit, you know,

1077
00:46:23.065 --> 00:46:24.395
this isn't the, this isn't the days

1078
00:46:24.395 --> 00:46:26.475
of like usac when it's run what you brung

1079
00:46:26.495 --> 00:46:27.595
and everybody shows up

1080
00:46:27.595 --> 00:46:29.835
and tries to make the field like we're not there anymore.

1081
00:46:30.055 --> 00:46:34.155
Hi Kelly. And I just, I dunno, I just, I just,

1082
00:46:34.715 --> 00:46:37.315
I still think it seems flawed for us

1083
00:46:37.705 --> 00:46:39.435
with the current landscape of any car

1084
00:46:39.435 --> 00:46:41.475
to have different numbers of charters

1085
00:46:42.215 --> 00:46:45.035
or whatever they're called and potential

1086
00:46:45.155 --> 00:46:47.915
starters, you know what I mean? But yeah, say

1087
00:46:47.985 --> 00:46:51.675
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I, I just, yeah, I, to end on this, I just think</v>

1088
00:46:51.705 --> 00:46:54.715
that the, it was always cool,

1089
00:46:54.855 --> 00:46:56.955
it was always really cool in IndyCar.

1090
00:46:57.575 --> 00:47:00.035
It, the IndyCar I grew up watching

1091
00:47:01.585 --> 00:47:03.365
was the Dale coin stories, right?

1092
00:47:03.745 --> 00:47:08.405
Of this semi's barbecue, underperforming, underfunded,

1093
00:47:08.425 --> 00:47:10.765
car boy Scouts of America car, whatever, right?

1094
00:47:11.275 --> 00:47:12.445
They would show up and,

1095
00:47:12.745 --> 00:47:15.165
and every once in a while would smack it on the podium

1096
00:47:15.305 --> 00:47:16.805
or would win a race or would do

1097
00:47:17.045 --> 00:47:18.045
<v Speaker 1>Whatever.</v>

1098
00:47:18.045 --> 00:47:20.605
Justin Wilson in a Dale Cohen car beating Ryan Briscoe

1099
00:47:20.605 --> 00:47:22.085
and Aki Watkins Glen.

1100
00:47:22.235 --> 00:47:23.525
<v Speaker 3>Exactly. And now,</v>

1101
00:47:24.025 --> 00:47:26.165
and now for the most part, that ex exists.

1102
00:47:26.165 --> 00:47:28.125
That doesn't exist. I mean ob so

1103
00:47:28.125 --> 00:47:32.445
because truly now there is Juncos, Hollinger,

1104
00:47:33.675 --> 00:47:36.025
ECR, Ray Hall

1105
00:47:36.025 --> 00:47:38.985
and McLaren, those are the only teams left in the

1106
00:47:38.985 --> 00:47:40.345
championship that are independent.

1107
00:47:41.025 --> 00:47:42.585
Everyone else is all linked up together.

1108
00:47:42.685 --> 00:47:47.585
So it's, you don't have the same, in my mind,

1109
00:47:47.875 --> 00:47:49.865
storylines that can develop.

1110
00:47:50.365 --> 00:47:52.025
And it's just a little bit, it's a little weird,

1111
00:47:52.085 --> 00:47:53.745
but maybe that's just the future of the series.

1112
00:47:53.745 --> 00:47:56.345
Maybe at one point everyone's gonna be linked up

1113
00:47:56.805 --> 00:47:58.065
and that'll be what we have.

1114
00:47:58.545 --> 00:48:00.665
Juncos and McLaren did try and do a, a thing

1115
00:48:00.725 --> 00:48:02.225
but didn't really work out too well.

1116
00:48:02.375 --> 00:48:03.585
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's more of a commercially</v>

1117
00:48:03.585 --> 00:48:04.665
Yeah, you're right, you're right.

1118
00:48:04.695 --> 00:48:06.625
Yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, it's interesting.

1119
00:48:06.625 --> 00:48:08.505
It'd be interesting if it was kind of positioned

1120
00:48:08.505 --> 00:48:10.185
that those sort of technical partnerships

1121
00:48:10.675 --> 00:48:11.825
can't exist anymore.

1122
00:48:12.385 --> 00:48:14.105
I wouldn't necessarily be against that.

1123
00:48:14.465 --> 00:48:15.625
'cause yeah, I think that's kind of the,

1124
00:48:15.645 --> 00:48:16.825
the nature of the sport.

1125
00:48:17.445 --> 00:48:19.825
Um, but like you say, that's a good thing, good place to end

1126
00:48:19.895 --> 00:48:21.105
because we are over time now.

1127
00:48:21.205 --> 00:48:22.785
So, uh, thanks for listening.

1128
00:48:22.785 --> 00:48:23.905
We'll cover Nashville next week

1129
00:48:24.405 --> 00:48:27.985
and, um, have fun in England slash paris slash England

1130
00:48:28.485 --> 00:48:30.385
and I'll have fun in Singapore

1131
00:48:30.435 --> 00:48:32.025
slash Singapore slash Singapore.

1132
00:48:32.565 --> 00:48:34.825
And Tim, you know, whatever. Have fun or don't.

1133
00:48:34.825 --> 00:48:36.225
I don't really. I don't really care. Happy

1134
00:48:36.545 --> 00:48:37.545
<v Speaker 3>Birthday, Larry.</v>

1135
00:48:37.545 --> 00:48:38.545
I'll say that. You're

1136
00:48:38.545 --> 00:48:39.745
<v Speaker 1>Larry,</v>
<v Speaker 3>Happy birthday, Larry.</v>

1137
00:48:39.925 --> 00:48:41.825
<v Speaker 1>Oh, happy birthday, Larry. Yeah, that's, that's good news.</v>

1138
00:48:41.825 --> 00:48:43.945
Happy birthday to Larry. Appreciate your pal.

1139
00:48:45.535 --> 00:48:47.425
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1140
00:48:47.605 --> 00:48:50.785
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00:48:51.205 --> 00:48:52.345
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00:48:52.365 --> 00:48:54.585
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