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This is off track.
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My mom's in town visiting.
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Tell her we say hello right now. How are you guys
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Doing
Right now?
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No,
Tell her. Oh my God.
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Don't make me like text your
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mom to say hello. Okay. And that
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They say hello.
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You don't have her number. She doesn't have your number.
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You don't want her to have your number.
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You don't know that
Alex does.
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You don't want her to have that.
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I would love to have Joan's number. To
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Be fair, Larry uses my number more than Joan.
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So there was a, so there was a
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race
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Uh, family time.
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Um, there was a race, but we're not gonna talk about the
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race because that's what Thursdays are for.
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This is Tuesday. So we have an interview with the one
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and only James Hinchcliffe.
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Rules. I was like, wait, what? Rules Analyst? Uh, no.
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So there was some big news that, uh,
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that came out after the race.
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Um, huge news. Big, big news, big implications. Wow.
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Large, large. And in charge news
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that both the McLaren drivers were disqualified, which in
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and of itself is big news.
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They finished second and fourth.
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Um, but the fact that Max won,
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and when you look at the championship,
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that now puts max less than a race win out of the lead
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with two races plus a sprint to go, which is insanity
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and hilarious and awesome.
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I want it to be known. Alex already pointed this out. Yes.
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I'm technically wearing a Red Bull, uh, hoodie right now.
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Hmm. That was purely coincidence.
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It was at the top of my sweatshirt
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pile when I got dressed this morning.
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And so I just grabbed it and I did
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not really appreciate that.
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We were gonna be recording this today
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and talking on this for discussion, but this,
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On that, did you, did you spend good,
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hard-earned American dollars
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yourself on buying a Red Bull F1 hoodie? It
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Was given.
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I did not. Uh, yes. It was given to me
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and it was given to me year one.
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It is actually a Vegas special edition, coincidentally
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Enough .
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Right, right, right. No, I was just curious.
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Like, have you ever purchased motorsport?
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Not for myself.
Right.
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Oh, like motor in for any motorsport. Yeah.
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I bought this hat Hmm. At a hard card wielding discount,
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but still, I bought a decent amount
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of stuff from the IMS store.
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Okay. Stuff is super you that you,
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you've worn yourself and not Yeah.
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Given as a gift. Okay. All
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Yeah. Several hats.
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It'll probably shock you to know
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that I have not, it does not. Yeah.
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Big shock. Huge shock. Right, right. Massive shock.
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Look at, look at the shock. Look on my face.
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Anyway, the penalty. The penalty.
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There's been so much discussion online about it.
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And so, uh, as two non-engineers,
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we figured we we're the perfect people
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to break down exactly what happened. And why
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Don't forget
I'm here.
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Well, you're the, you're gonna be leading the discussion.
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We're just gonna answer questions.
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Go ahead. Yeah. I'll answer your guys questions
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on the belly and, and
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Everything.
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Right. All right. So Alex, the, the skid was too thin.
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What does that mean?
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The floor? Where's
The skid?
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The floor was too low, James is what that means.
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Okay. What is a skid? The
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Skid is the thing that skids on the ground.
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Okay. So maybe a little more detail. The
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Skid is, uh, okay, how do I Hmm, here we go.
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So the bottom of the car generates a lot of down force, um,
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from the floor, which is also known as diffuser.
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Right. Um, and that is usually made outta carbon.
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It no, it's not. It is made outta carbon fiber.
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Um, the lower there's, there's levels to the floor.
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So you've got the main structure is the
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carbon floor diffuser.
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Then the next lower level is
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a piece of wood.
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Um, and that is there to protect
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the carbon part of the floor.
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Um, below that, in Formula one, there's actually
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titanium little blocks that create the spark shows
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that we have come so used to seeing.
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Um, but that is not for any sort of performance
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or protection thing that is purely an aesthetic feature.
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But, so that's the lowest point on the car.
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But above that is a wood
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but plank strip that runs from the beginning of the floor
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to not quite the, the furthest end of the, of the floor,
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but call it 70% of the surface area
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of the floor is protected by this wood.
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And the lower the cars run, the, in theory,
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the more downforce they generate,
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the more efficient downforce they generate
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from the bottom of the car.
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There are rules in place by the series to limit
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how low cars run.
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And the way that they can police that is
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by deeming a minimum
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skid thickness at the end of a race.
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So that prevents a team from lowering the car way more
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than another team and, and getting an advantage.
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I say that in in air quotes
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because it's not always an advantage,
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but getting some sort of advantage, um, from a team
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that is not wearing their skid as much.
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So that is, that is what a, a skid is in the simplest terms
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that I can describe it.
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And it is used as a protection against the floor,
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but also as a policing device for the series.
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Is that, is that a decent summary? Let's
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Put it this way.
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Tim, do you understand what he's saying? I
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Get it a little bit more now.
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Yeah. So it's, it's not so much
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that a thin skid gave them an advantage.
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It's the thing that potentially gave them the advantage
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would have worn the skid out more. There you go.
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Correct. Okay, that makes sense.
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So the lower right height means you hit the,
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hit the ground more means the skid comes in too thin.
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So the skid and F1 starts at 10 mil
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and you are allowed to wear one mil, one millimeter
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of, of thickness.
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So there are four points, I believe that they measure, um,
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like predetermined points of the floor at different parts
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of the floor that they measure post-race.
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And you are allowed a, I wanna say it's 0.02
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or sorry, 0.2 mil, uh, leeway.
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So essentially anywhere from 9.2 to
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8.8 is kind of like within that.
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I guess you weren't being above, doesn't matter.
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So basically it's 8.8 is kind
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of like the tolerance that they allow.
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Um, so it's one millware plus a 0.2 tolerance. So,
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And, and before you continue, this isn't just an F1 thing,
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like a lot of different racing series
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use this as a, as a rule.
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So this isn't some strange one-off sort
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Of situation.
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I've been disqualified from second place
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for this exact infraction.
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Um, you sure have. I sure have. You sure have.
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So I know this pain well, you
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A dirty cheater.
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And, and, and as much as I like to give you
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for your disqualification,
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very similar circumstances Yes.
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Caused this to unfold very similar.
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So why don't you explain
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what those circumstances are, James?
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So how a team prevents this from happening normally
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is throughout practice.
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At some point you will load the car up with fuel
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and you will go do a long run.
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You will then look at the data
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and assess how much the car has been striking the ground,
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how much where there was
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with the amount of laps that you've done.
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And kind of extrapolate
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that throughout the 50 laps in this case of a grand Prix.
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So you know how much is gonna wear
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and you can set your ride heights accordingly.
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They take so many things into consideration, right?
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You gotta factor in your tire pressures,
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you gotta factor in the fuel burn.
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You gotta factor in the temperature
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'cause that affects the air density,
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which affects the downforce.
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And there are um, like a thousand things you have
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to take into account when you are calculating how low
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to run the car, to not wear the skid past
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that one mill tolerance.
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In Vegas, it was a bit of a unique circumstance
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because first of all, it's a straight circuit, which means
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that the track evolution
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or how much faster the track goes session over
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session is quite high.
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What that changes is
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how quick your cornering can sometimes affect
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how much the floor hits in certain places.
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So as the track speeds up, normally the right heights need
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to come up as well because the faster you go,
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essentially the more you're gonna
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drag the floor on the ground.
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In, uh, F1, traditionally they do a lot
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of their full fuel running.
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In fp two second practice,
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Every session in Vegas was disrupted by something.
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And in fp two it was just a lot of red flags.
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And most teams didn't get a chance to do a lot
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of laps on full fuel to get the necessary data
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to make their call.
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This exact same thing in, in the reverse
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happened to McLaren in Austin.
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So in Austin it was a sprint race. So only get one practice.
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They don't do a lot of long running in
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that sprint race practice.
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They use the sprint race essentially as their practice
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to get their data for the Grand Prix.
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Sort of well known, well documented
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after Austin, the cars weren't very fast in the race
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and they said part of that was
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because they went very conservative on ride heights
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because they got taken out in the first corner
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of the sprint race and didn't get a lot
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of useful data at a track that's very bumpy and wear skids.
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And we've actually seen cars disqualified
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for this at Austin in the past.
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Fast forward to Vegas, they obviously thought
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they had done enough.
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This was not a case where they went in unknowing
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or feeling like they didn't know
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or else they would've gone the conservative route like they
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did in Austin.
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There could be a combination of factors.
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I mean there is a combination of factors that led to this,
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but they were aware that it was gonna be a problem,
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which is why late in the race, Lando was slowing down three
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to four seconds a lap.
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It's because they wanted him
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to lift at the end of the straits.
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'cause at the end of the straits you're going the fastest,
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which means you're having the most down force on the car.
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It's getting pushed down and it drags the floor.
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So he had a, whatever it was,
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15 second margin of George Russell.
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So he started slowing up 2, 3, 4 seconds a lap
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by lifting at the end of the straits to try to
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mitigate the damage to the floor.
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Ultimately it wasn't enough and the double
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disqualification is a result.
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The amount that they were
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beyond tolerance was something like 0.12 of a mil.
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So, which I believe they did,
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but they were quick to point out is less than the width
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of the average human hair.
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Correct. So when you, when people online are like,
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oh my god, what a massive screw up from these guys.
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I, I just wanna put into perspective
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that we're talking about the difference in the width
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of a human hair here.
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So while yes, it's a screw up
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Like Tim's or mine,
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Uh, good call , Tim's,
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I think Tim's I think are about four times the,
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the thickness of the average human hair.
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So like, so like that's a pretty big mess
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up if it was Tim's hair
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Fair.
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Yeah. This is not a, this is not a Tim hair.
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This is, this is Alex or James hair for sure. Got it.
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Yeah. That
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I get it, man. You're pushing, you're pushing
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to win Formula one races.
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You've gotta maximize everything.
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I think the, the criticism of the team's a little bit harsh
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because Ferrari's been docked for this.
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Mercedes has been docked for this,
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uh, Sal's been docked for this.
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But Alex, I I want to ask you your opinion sort of on,
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'cause one of the things going around a lot, the opinion
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of a lot of people is they've already won the constructors.
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Orlando's got a, you know, whatever it was gap in the,
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in the driver's championship.
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Why not be a little bit conservative if
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there's any question mark?
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Well, I think, I think you
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already hit the nail on the head.
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I don't think there was a question mark.
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Um, because I, I don't know that their mindset is
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any different than that.
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Um, I think this is just an opinion
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and a theory that I have generated since you were
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kind of explaining all this.
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I wonder if Austin had anything to play into it being
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as though they were like, man, too conservative.
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We way overshot last time that we had a question mark.
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So we, we have a question mark still.
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'cause we had limited running, but like,
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let's not make the same mistake we made in Austin.
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You know, Orlando's on poll, max is second.
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Like we can't, we can't really afford to just give one away.
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So let's not be stupid here,
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but let's not take the same sort of steps we did in Austin.
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I wonder if that is actually
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what was their demise more than anything else?
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Had Austin never happened.
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They probably would've been just fine.
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So I wonder if, I mean the, the the butterfly effect, right?
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The cause and effect Yeah. Of every choice we make.
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Had Lando and Oscar not been taken out,
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um, by Hulk?
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Well it was, it wasn't taken out
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by anyone had the racing instant in Austin
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turn one sprint race, which we shouldn't even have.
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Okay. , If the thing that Max thinks we shouldn't have,
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IE sprint races is what caused both McLaren to go out
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and cause them both to suck in Austin, which ultimately led
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to their DQ in Vegas, all
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of which potentially is gonna hand max of championship.
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It's very interesting. It's
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Very interesting.
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It is. That's like such a good point though.
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Did they just get, I mean whatever the opposite of gun shy,
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I guess overconfident based on coming up short in Austin.
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And again, but like, this is
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what I wanna just stress to people.
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The margins that we're talking about are so small.
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They are so tiny.
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It's, it's now look every and,
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and a very good defense is Yeah,
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but the other nine teams did it fine.
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Yep. 100%.
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Like I'm not saying they didn't make a mistake. Yeah. But
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That's usually, that's usually how it works.
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It's very rare that four teams get
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disqualified, right? Correct.
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Correct. Um, it's gonna be so fascinating to see
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what comes outta that from the sense of, you know, their
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processes and procedures moving
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forward for that type of thing.
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But now this begs the question
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because Lando went into, um,
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Uh,
That race 24 points ahead of Oscar
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and like 40, whatever it was, nine points ahead of max.
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So it was going to be the defacto lead car, favorite car.
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There's so many elements to this. Correct.
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So Max could have been eliminated actually, to be fair,
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even if they finished and kept their
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points, max wasn't eliminated.
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He still had, you know, a two point buffer, you know,
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but for all intents, <crosstalk>, but it was a lot harder.
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Yeah. Now Max is within a race win,
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which is terrifying. He's tied with
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See nine of 'em.
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Yep. He sure does.
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As he laid, as he made sure to point out on the podium, ,
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she is tied with Oscar.
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Nice, nice. Tied with Oscar
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and with you with the momentum that Red Bull has right now,
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you've gotta think that they're going to be
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favorites over the next two weekends, even though the,
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the track guitar should in theory favor the
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McLaren a little bit more.
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Max is just so good and the Red Bull has gotten better.
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So I don't know if that's even the case anymore.
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So if you are McLaren,
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even though you have said time
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and time again, we're gonna let 'em race until one
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of 'em is mathematically out of it with the threat of Max,
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with the mistakes that have been made by the team
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with the gap that Lando has over Oscar and the momentum
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and pace that Max have now, do you prioritize Lando
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and, and kind of break your own rule
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and say, look, I know Oscar
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'cause I'm mathematically out of it,
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but he's realistically in a tough spot given
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everything, et cetera.
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Okay, so I I see your point. I disagree.
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I'm not saying I I'm not saying that's my stance,
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right? I'm just asking the question.
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Well, I would, I would've said that
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that was a much clearer position for them to take
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for the past, the two-ish, call it two events.
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Now I don't think you can do that
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because Oscar quite frankly has his, okay.
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No, you can't say that Lando has a be if you're concerned,
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if you're, if you're so concerned with Max, right?
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And we all know that probably Max is better than Oscar,
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but still Oscar Oscar's in a better car.
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So if you're so concerned
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that Max is potentially gonna steal this away from Lando,
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Oscar's the same amount of points back.
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So you can't then if you think it's that viable,
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that Lando can be caught.
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You can't prioritize Lando over Oscar at this point.
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You gotta give Oscar the same sort of shot.
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Right. But then it's, it's
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because that would be admitting that you think
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that Max is better than Oscar.
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You like, that's admitting to your own driver that hey,
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we don't have faith that you
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can do what you could dot this point. I
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Bet at this point Oscar admits that I, which which,
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which one of the 20 drivers don't admit that
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You just, you look at the last, you know, six,
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seven weekends, he's out like a hundred points. Well
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It's insane. So,
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So it's if you're Oscar and they come to you
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and say that, it's almost hard to argue.
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But, so look at it this way.
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'cause this was an interesting point that was brought up
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and it was the only thing that made me cut.
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'cause like, again, you've had this stance
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and you know, I actually interviewed Zach over the weekend
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and he brought up a great point, which was
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this Let 'em race rule is not a Zach Brown rule.
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This is a McLaren philosophy. It's been like that forever.
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That's how they lost the championship in oh seven, right?
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Hmm. And he, he said, he
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and Andrea Esella have said, happy
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to lose the championship the right way.
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Not happy, but like a risk we're willing to take.
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But a great point was made,
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Which was, so you just say that when you have 104 point
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lead in the world driver championship, but
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Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah. So, so a great point was made after the summer break,
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after Orlando has his mechanical at Zan
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and Oscar's got a 34 point lead.
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Everyone said, you gotta bass p you gotta back pry,
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like stick with him, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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Time has shown that
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that was an ill-advised approach back then.
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'cause that would be not a great situation now.
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But you look at the fact that a mechanical issue from the
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team robbed him of second place
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and 18 points in zandor, a mechanical
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discrepancy and set up in Vegas cost him second place
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and 18 points in Vegas.
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So he's a, he's net down 36 points,
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which means that he should have had
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Max actually he would've won the championship.
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Now that's not true
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because Oscar, let's say Oscar wasn't also disqualified this
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weekend, right?
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So Oscar keeps his whatever points
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and Lando keeps his whatever points.
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So Lando Oscar's still in it, but Max is eliminated.
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Max isn't even a threat. He's mathematically out of it.
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'cause that would be 58 points. Are
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You saying is zero zero mechanical DNFs this year?
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Because that's an irrelevant point you're making. If he did,
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I don't remember idea.
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The only idea only DNFI remember him having was Austria when
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he got taken out by Antonelli on the first lab.
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Okay, well
That's his think off hand.
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No, no, no, but I'm saying from the team
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standpoint, the team, sure.
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McLaren has 36
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Points.
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Right? I understand what you're saying. And
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So, so there's, there's an argument to be made
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where they kind of owe him 36 points.
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And so maybe the best way to do that is
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to prioritize him over Oscar.
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Because what I will say is you look at Oscar's run of form,
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like the last few races, the last six, seven races,
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it doesn't matter because Oscar was never ahead of land.
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So there's nothing you can do to prioritize.
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Qatar is a very good track for Oscar
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and a lot of people are
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expecting him to be very strong there.
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If we get there and Lando is quicker and practice
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and qualifies better, this is a moot point anyway.
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Hmm. But this is a track that people are predicting him
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to be maybe a lot closer on par,
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maybe even a bit better than Lando.
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And if that situation arises, arises, what do you do?
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It's, it's fascinating. I'm with you.
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You've, you've planted your
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flag on this, let them race thing.
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I agree with that, but I, I do see some
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of the counterpoints, I do see some of the arguments as to,
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uh, as to letting it go here.
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Here's, here's the thing. They can do whatever they want.
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Max is winning this thing. So it it, there's your new point.
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It doesn't matter. Okay. He's, he's what?
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He's he's done so much at this point.
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It's just not, it's not gonna, the train ain't stopping
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The, the, the championship I think is going to be decided
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by Mercedes and Ferrari.
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Mm-hmm. Because if Max wins
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and these guys keep finishing second, it's,
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you know, he doesn't get it.
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But if Max wins, which again, I do think he will,
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I think he can easily sweep the last 58 points available.
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And it's not about Max winning
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or not, it's about, I know, can LeClaire get in there?
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Can Russell get in there? Can these guys mix
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it up and take points away
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From Claire?
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James, what I, what I'm telling you is this will be the,
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I don't think it's an exact example,
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but was it Masa
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who lost the championship in oh eight or whatever?
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Like when, when, when, when, when it starts coming like this
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and if, let's say if Max puts it on pole
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for a sprint racing guitar,
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and if he wins, I just don't think I,
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I think stuff's gonna happen.
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I think that the amount of pressure
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and the realization that this is slipping
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through your fingers will be too high.
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And so I don't know that it'll, I agree with in theory
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what you're saying, of course, the way math works,
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they can't just finish second to finish out the season.
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But if Max continues
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and stepping on their throats like he's doing,
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because we'll talk about on Thursday,
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because forget prank, plank wear set up, whatever aside,
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max owned everyone once again.
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Yeah. From, yeah. From lap one. Turn one.
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So if he just keeps that going, I don't,
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I don't know if anyone, I don't, I'm not talking about land
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and Oscar Lando
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and Oscar, I don't know if anyone can, can handle that. So
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Any human being
Yeah. On Earth,
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It's a great point and it's gonna be fun to watch.
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Um, but man, it's, I can't imagine how much sleep
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the Andrea es Stellas
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and Zach Browns of the world lost on Saturday night.
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Vegas, Vegas on that topic. I thought it was very cool.
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And something that is very on F1 one, um, where
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once the penalty came out, the, the statement from the team
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and Andrea was essentially we're sorry to the drivers,
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um, because we let them down.
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You know, we, we made a mistake, blah, blah, blah.
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But, but a lot of the times it's, you know,
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a team statement in, in this instance will be, you know, we,
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we respect the Stewart's decision.
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We will be appealing or we respect the Stewart's decision
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and onto whatever this was apologetic to
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their two drivers, to their partners, um, to the fans and,
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and taking full responsibility,
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which is just not something you see very much of. So,
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Dude, I gotta say, I mean, sucks.
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00:23:04.415 --> 00:23:08.615
Andreas still is, Andreas still is a easy gangster that guy.
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He's very good at what he does, and he is got a humility
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and, and an awesomeness about him that, yeah, kind of
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00:23:14.095 --> 00:23:17.095
to your point is it can sometimes be, you could look at it
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as maybe a little bit on F1,
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but I got a lot of time for that guy, as a lot of people do.
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Oh yeah. So there you go.
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That's kind of the breakdown of that.
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Like, uh, as, uh, Alex mentioned,
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we're gonna get into the race itself
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and some IndyCar news,
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some cool breaking stuff happened over the week.
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And we'll recap Nashville, we'll recap Nashville
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and we'll tell everybody what we're thankful for.
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But until then, I don't know, do some stuff or not,
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Whatever.
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Yeah.
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