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This is off track, Rocky Sand.
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What does Rocky Sand mean? Um,
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It's an alternative to, I don't know, like
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a pebble beach or something.
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Oh, yeah, I get it. For reference, uh, Alex
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picks a different name for himself every time we record.
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Um, nobody else gets to see that other than James and I.
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So today it's Rocky City, which
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Is good because more often than not Yeah.
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A times is not suitable. Lot
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Times.
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Yeah. Yeah. Hey, Tim, I just found these on my desk.
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Oh. What are the, I can't see
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this. What do they say? Say it's
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Producer, thi and Hazel.
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Oh, okay. All right.
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I've been meaning to give these to you
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for about a year now.
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Okay.
So
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Better late than Better Never. Than never. Better
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Never. Than never. .
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Yeah.
I'll get it better.
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Never than late.
I'll get it when I get my
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2023 Christmas present.
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Do I know what's hilarious?
Did that show up? When
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Was it? No,
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No.
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I was asking James. Oh.
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Did the item That was never ordered. Show
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Up.
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Where? Oh, oh, oh.
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I was in the airport yesterday flying home
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and I saw, I can't say the type of store,
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but I saw the same store
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and I was like, oh man, I forgot to order, I think
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for Tim's Christmas cake.
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They didn't have it at the store
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that day, or I would've bought it.
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Yeah, it's probably outta stock. Outta stock. Yeah.
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It was also, yeah, they might not make it anymore.
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I might have to just come up with something
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new.
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He's like, he's like, the store was the fricking Hudson News
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and he was gonna buy you like a guy with some starburst
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Uh, sour Skittles.
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Come on now we're gonna go, we're gonna splurge
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for Tim's 31st Christmas surg or
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Whatever it was.
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You're gonna, can we talk about, can we talk about
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how expensive beef jerky is at an airport? Oh,
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It's so ridiculous, by the way, James. I
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Got it.
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Why is beef jerky?
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Oh, . There it is. Oh, okay. It showed up after all.
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Why is beef jerky at an airport like 1699?
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It's also like that just,
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In California, California beef jerky
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Price.
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It's just incredibly expensive. Yeah.
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Is it, I mean, there, there's so much talk in the government
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and politics about inflation and eggs and everything,
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and it's like, what, what are people gonna like talk about
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the beef, beef jerky prices.
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Everyone's ignoring beef jerky. Wow.
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Can we call it, can we call it deflation?
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I think we can
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Do that.
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We're not gonna allow that. Um, is so,
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but like, so is beef jerky reasonably priced elsewhere?
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No. I mean, not in California or at an airport.
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I feel like it's priced better.
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I kind of understand the name, like, oh boy Alberto now.
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'cause they're like, oh boy, we're gonna,
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people when they buy our beef jerky, .
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Okay, so follow up question.
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, why are we buying beef jerky at the airport?
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Is that just a fun airplane snack for you?
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Uh, no. It's just like some of us want to, you know, try
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and consume protein when we have our snacks and
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mm-hmm
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I feel like that's the worst thing you can have right
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before you get on a metal tube full of people.
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Or like to eat on a metal tube full. I don't know.
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I feel like it has a smell. It leaves a lingering smell.
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No, some people
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after they have a lot of protein.
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Very fingery. And then your fingers get dirty
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and smudging onto stuff. What do
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You, what are you doing with your fingers, James,
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on a plane that would affect other people?
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First of all, you just said it was gonna <inaudible>
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you, so I feel like
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No, I'm saying like, you eat it,
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then there's always residue on your hands.
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I mean, financially. Why are you so gross?
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Yeah, that was sick, Tim, what you said. Oh
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Yeah. I am the weird one. Here
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You are.
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Grow up. Tim, where are you?
I'm in Montecito.
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So you're, okay. So I'm the only one that's
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Actually held. Are you in Harry Potter's house?
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Yeah, I'm under the stairs. Um,
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yeah,
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Joby. Keep it down. Uh, .
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Her name's Hazel. That's just rude.
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She just left for surf camp.
Oh, that's cool.
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Does she surf? Do you
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Surf?
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She's learning at surf camp.
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That's incredible. Do
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I do not. I'm entirely too Midwestern for
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That.
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He can't even, he can't even like,
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barely stand up on solid ground.
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Yeah, it's, it's Atri,
Let alone moving water.
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I knew the answer to the question.
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I just wanted him to say it out loud
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to add to the Bears Man.
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Um, how did, why did what, where did her interest in, uh,
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surf camp come from then?
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My, uh, my aunt and uncle have a place up here
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and they, their, uh, their granddaughter was in surf camp,
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so they just said, Hey, would Hazel
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have any interest in coming up?
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And I was like, yeah, I'll come up
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and pretend to not be poor for a week.
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Let's go. And so we, uh, we loaded up the car, got Teddy
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and uh, hit the road from Montecito.
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It's pretty amazing how actually,
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financially independent you are that you can just leave
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during the middle of the week
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Point.
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Well, when you're unemployed you can do pretty
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much anything you want at any time.
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Exactly. I wouldn't call it financially independent so much
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as it is, uh, uh, sub employed.
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Uh, yeah, I brought my microphone, so I'm good. You know,
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That's, it's his only job is right now is this ,
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which is why like, when we're trying to plan out,
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when we're getting together for these shows, respectfully,
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Tim, you have the least say in when we do this . Okay.
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Yeah. You know why I text to say my availability?
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Because you two don't answer
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and I feel like somebody needs to say something
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to spur it along.
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You know why we haven't done a Tuesday episode yet?
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Because I texted Alex about his
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availability for a Tuesday episode.
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Crickets .
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To be fair, that means
I'm not available.
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A Alex, how many unanswered
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text messages on your phone today?
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783 . Oh my God. Oh no.
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It's so much worse than I thought it was.
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Damn, I thought I was doing bad with 249 . Oh,
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What is wrong with you
Guys?
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Oh man. Oh, it hurts. It hurts my soul and my brain.
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And my heart. Dude, it's fine because,
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because like, I went to bed with like 782,
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so I know I have one text today,
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Dude, do you know why it's not fine?
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Do you know why it's bad for me that you do?
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That is because people then reach out to me being like,
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Hey, I can't get ahold of Alex.
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Do you have any idea if X, Y, Z?
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And it's like, just Alex, answer your phone. .
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I'm like your secretary half the time. Who
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Is, who is asking you to get ahold of me? Well,
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First, Tim, but like, let's go
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beyond just the people in this, in this room. .
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I do it with you guys, both. Uh, . Yeah.
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It's just whenever there's like a one of you will say, Hey,
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I'm available at this time,
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and then the other just doesn't answer.
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I'm like, okay, I'm gonna bump this,
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but I'm gonna do it subtly by just saying my availability,
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which is almost inevitably always I'm wide
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open.
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I do always feel bad when like, you send a message
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and neither of us reply,
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and then one of us replies eventually,
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and then we're like, we're like, oh,
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I probably should have also replied to that.
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And then so like, you get two replies within 30 seconds.
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After 36 hours of silence.
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I don't feel bad. I know. I just feel lucky.
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horrific. So Alex, you're in Pebble Beach.
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How is golfing Pebble Beach?
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Um, incredible. Everything.
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Um, I don't know.
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I obviously
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the location fantastic.
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Um, the amenities and, and everything are, are awesome.
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Um, the weather, we all know what it is. Perfect.
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The visuals great.
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And so from that standpoint, um, no notes.
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I was less, um, enthralled than than two of my buddies
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who were with me just because like, I'm new to, to golf.
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So like, I don't appreciate necessarily the history
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of this place, whereas they were like, oh my God,
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this is the hole where so and so did this and,
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and right this, this was
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that moment in this US open championship
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and this is where Tiger did this
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and that's that tree, right?
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And it was like, so all of that was kind
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of lost on me a little bit, just
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'cause I don't, I don't know enough about the, the history
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of golf and, and um, kind of the people who walked here
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before me, but like, it's, it is cool.
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Like it's, yeah, it's awesome.
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Um, but it's also one of those things in life where like,
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I don't think you need to do it again.
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You know, like it's, it's one of those
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Speak for yourself,
Play a team,
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played it, you would want to do it again.
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Has, has James
Done it? A few. No, I six sounds ready.
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No, but my point is like, you didn't choose
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to do that. You were part of charity.
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I didn't choose to do whatever. Yeah.
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I didn't wanna do it, but like, yes.
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I'm not going back unless it's a Cherokee team do.
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Right. Do you agree with kind of the overall sentiment?
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Like Yes. It's, it's incredible,
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but it's not something that
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I have to do it every single year.
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No, absolutely not. Right.
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And, and I feel like even when I did it, I clearly was not
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with people that were as into golf as you were
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because I wasn't getting the running commentary on like the,
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the importance of each hole, like the significance
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of this tree and what have you.
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Yeah. I was more into like, the caddies that we had
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who were awesome being like, so that's
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who lives in this house, that's who lives in that house,
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that house did this.
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And I'm like, I found that stuff interesting.
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I was more there for like the gossip pages, to be
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Honest.
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Yep, yep. Yeah, no, that's fair.
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Um, some incredible homes. Holy, holy.
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Wow. My favorite.
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Did they tell, did your caddies kind
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of give you the lowdown on some of the stuff too?
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We, we went caddy free. Um,
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Oh, you like caddy free. Okay.
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Okay. But we, we saw the big
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The Jim, the Jim Nance house, which I think is the,
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the hallmark house on the course,
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but a lot of money and commentary.
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So can't wait for, uh, for you to buy a house here. .
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And I can't wait to come all the time because apparently
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you commentate our folk, ut people make a ton.
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Let me tell you about how that works.
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Um, directly proportionate to the number of people watching
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what it is you're commentating. So, oh,
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So you're gonna be buying a house in Avon,
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Right?
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Correct. Right. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, maybe Pittsburgh.
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Um, okay.
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So there was this story that he told me.
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So, uh, there was like, whatever, I,
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I guess you're along the back nine to use golf terms and .
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There's like, there's like a road.
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It's like the, there's the course, you know,
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the little two-lane road, probably 70 mile drive
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and then a bunch of homes, right?
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So like the homes have a beautiful view of the golf course
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and the ocean and all that stuff.
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The thing is, you know, when this place was built,
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underground power lines weren't super a thing.
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And so we're walking along and,
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and the guy points out,
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he goes, do you notice something over there?
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And you're looking and you're like, yeah, what's going on?
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And then you realize that the, the power lines,
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'cause the power lines are kind of right at eye level
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for the houses, because the
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houses sit a little bit up from the road.
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Sure. Right? And you're look, so your view
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is somewhat obstructed.
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Right? And these are eight figure homes. Okay.
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And so, uh, apparently a lot of the people along
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that road were upset
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that the power lines were obstructing the view
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and one of the power lines buried.
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And so this one guy went to like the city
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and was like, Hey, like,
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can we get these power lines buried?
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Like, I, I bought this house
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and this, this view's obstructed whatever.
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And they're like, oh, yeah, yeah, it's on the list,
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you know, I think we're gonna get to it
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probably in about three years, something like that.
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And the guy was like, huh.
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So he called up the power company
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and he was like, how much would it take
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to just bury the lines in front of my house?
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And they're like, quarter million bucks.
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And he goes, when can you start?
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And so on Monday they showed up
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and the power lines go out, out, out, down,
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under, up, out, out, out.
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And it's literally just this one house had an unobstructed
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view of the course in the ocean.
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Awesome.
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I mean, to be fair for him,
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quarter million bucks irrelevant.
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So like, that's actually a great use of money.
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A hundred percent. Because like, the value of
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that house probably went up by 2 million.
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A hundred percent. A hundred percent.
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Literally the only unobstructed view. Yeah.
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That's incredible. It's
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Such a boss who could even think about
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calling him up and be like, .
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I love it. Also, I've, I'm, I'm, I'm curious how long ago
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that was, because I feel like power companies now,
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like there's too much red tape.
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Like they wouldn't even do that.
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Like, it's cool, there was a day
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and age where like, you could, you could buy things
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that you needed, like money talked.
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Nowadays you do that and they'd be like, no, get outta here.
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I don't know. So I mean, this was probably 10 years ago,
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which isn't that long ago.
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Yeah, no, that's fair.
Um, but maybe I
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Haven't thrown enough big enough dollar figures around
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For whatever your issues are. You are not spending
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Enough.
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I'll give two, I'll give you $250. Get
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Outta here, I'll give you two passes
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to the Portland Grand Prix.
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Oh, good times. So
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before we get into, um, Laguna,
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sorry, I'm tired.
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I red-eyed home. It was terrible. As this is a travel
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Podcast. That's a stupid decision.
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We're gonna be talking a lot about that.
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Well, here's the thing, because as a travel podcast,
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I'll tell you why I red-eyed home from Laguna. You
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Always make fun of people that red eye home.
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No, I, I hate it. I, I still, I still do.
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I I am making fun of myself in this moment.
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So I left my house for Iowa
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and I had not been home since.
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So part of it was just like a wanting to get home.
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But even that normally wouldn't entice me into a red eye.
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It was the fact that, so I landed Monday morning.
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I leave Tuesday afternoon, which is
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to say I leave my house in a half an hour
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from when we were filming this.
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I had been home for 20,
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30 hours
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and I leave until after Portland.
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So I leave today. Why I go to Hungary, from Hungary.
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I have to go straight to LA for something, for Fox.
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From LA I go straight to Portland, I come home.
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No sympathy. Big F1 guy,
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you make a ton of money commentating.
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You're now going to like the thing
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where you make even more money
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and then you're going to Los Angeles.
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You're fine. Like whatever.
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I'm just saying the extra 12 hours at home was worth
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with my wife and my dogs was worth coming home on a red eye.
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Well, yeah, but like, I'm not looking anything.
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I'm not outta a red eye when you're making
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like a hundred grand a day. Dude,
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This is not Nan's money.
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All right? Yeah. Two and a half days isn't even
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Per power line bearing. Yeah. This
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Isn't Nan's money.
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This is, this isn't even nan money. This isn't non money.
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This isn't even money. We're not
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even making money over here. All right. Isn't
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A different money No this, no,
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No snow,
No nothing.
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Making lose money. Yeah.
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So anyway, that's why Flore eye home.
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So I'm, I'm still kind of recovery. They suck, man.
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They still suck. I haven't
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done one in a while. They're horrible. They're still
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Horrible.
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They're horrible. Like they serve a very important purpose.
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Um, and I understand them,
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but like there's not one human being I think
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that can actually physically tolerate a red eye
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and not being boned the next day.
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Like, it's not possible unless you were
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Able to actually sleep the entire scheduled time
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that you're on the airplane. But
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The the red eye isn't long enough.
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So like I That's true. Understand That's true.
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It's four hours your red eye, right?
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If your red eye's from Egypt, okay,
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potentially if you can actually, yeah, you for nine hours,
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but la tody ain't long enough.
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It's like right. Wheels up to wheels down's. Like three 50.
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That ain't enough, right? Yeah,
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's, and, and it's not.
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And I, I'm, I, I, I was,
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wasn't entirely sure I had forgotten
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By.
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And you get to the then house at, you get
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to your house at four 50 in the morning,
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5:00 AM then whatcha gonna do, you can't go to bed.
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So then you're up way too early.
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You haven't slept and you're just host.
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I can, oh, I got home at go
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to bed six 30 and I went straight to bed. Didn't last
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Say, yeah, I can definitely go back to bed. I,
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I don't think I've even slept.
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It was really just like cuddling the dogs in bed.
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It was nice. Um, I was gonna
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Go to sleep after this
Well, fair.
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Let's talk about, yeah. Yeah.
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Um, but so on Laguna,
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before we get to the race itself,
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somebody tweeted me something that I thought was really
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interesting because obviously
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after races we get on the social webs
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and read feedbacks on certain things from like
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the TV side, right?
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And people have their gripes
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and you know, last week I had a little go at people
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that were mad at us for missing the restart or whatever and
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Oh, I do have a comment on that.
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When you're done,
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Do you wanna inject it now or
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Nah, I'll wait.
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Okay. Why wait, well,
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since when do you wait till someone's finished
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Trying new things.
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Okay. Um, so one of the things that we get a lot is like,
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oh, there's so many damn commercials.
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Right? Which I get it seems like that sometimes
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that there are a lot of commercials, right?
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There's a lot of strategy as to when we go to commercials
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to try to not Ms. Green flag action.
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Like it's like obviously the most important
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thing for everybody involved.
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So somebody posted this nifty little chart, okay?
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And I'm gonna read out some of the details to you.
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It was just wide screen, but Yeah,
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I know, I know.
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I mean, no one's, you don't need to see it.
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It's just, just numbers and stuff.
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So the total race time
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and total broadcast time was two hours, four minutes
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and 21 seconds of that
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live green flag time was one hour, 19 minutes
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and 49 seconds, or 64.19%
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of the broadcast was live green flag
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live caution flag was another 1329
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or 10.84% side by side green flag,
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which again, we go to these
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side, we have to get commercials in.
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But we, we do side by side when we can.
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So you're not missing anything.
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Another 15 and a half minutes side by side yellow, four
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and a half minutes full commercial.
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The only time where the full commercial is playing
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and you're not seeing any race cars on your TV under green
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flag was less than three minutes of the race or 2%.
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We had eight minutes of full commercial under caution.
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So for your total race time, live TV
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was 75% of the time.
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Side by side was another 16.2.
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So your full commercial time was 11 minutes
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or 8.78% of the entire broadcast is in full commercial.
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And if you actually compare that to the same Pete numbers,
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we've improved, uh, quite a bit.
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I they had them somewhere. I don't have them now.
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I'm not gonna go look for 'em. But what I'm telling you is
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11 minutes in a two hour broadcast,
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we were in full commercial the rest of the time.
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You guys can see what's happening
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on track. That's pretty good.
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So, and, and just like, can
You
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actually see those numbers
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For reference like a a 30 minute TV show,
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you have 22 minutes of, of show eight minutes of commercial.
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That's 26
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and two thirds percent is commercials
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for a 30 minute show, right?
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So, so how much of this do you think comes from
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the majority of what people consume now is is streamed
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television in movies?
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Tremendous amount,
Right? So people just don't,
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I think it's a huge factor. People forget,
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Don't forget what they used to do.
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Like we used to not even watch live things we
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used to ddr r at all.
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And then fast forward through commercials, right? Like it
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And so, which
I feel like we're all missing out on,
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like the sibling yelling at you from the bathroom,
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that the commercials are almost done
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and you have to like run back to get to see
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what like you're
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Running to the kitchen to like fill up
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your popcorn and run back.
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Yeah. Um,
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'cause again, the alternate solution here
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is a subscription service and then there's no commercials.
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So like someone has to pay for this broadcast.
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It's either advertisers or it's you.
509
00:19:41.655 --> 00:19:43.795
So you can choose to give up 11 minutes
510
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of your two hour broadcast and have someone else pay for it
511
00:19:46.775 --> 00:19:48.875
and have it just be available on network TV all
512
00:19:48.875 --> 00:19:49.995
day, any day, anywhere in the country.
513
00:19:50.415 --> 00:19:52.355
Or we can charge you up 80 bucks a
514
00:19:52.355 --> 00:19:53.675
year and we won't have commercials.
515
00:19:53.735 --> 00:19:56.035
Can we go to the guy who buried the power lines
516
00:19:56.175 --> 00:19:57.795
and see if he'll pay for it? I would
517
00:19:57.795 --> 00:19:59.315
Imagine he might, I think we might be able
518
00:19:59.555 --> 00:20:00.595
to actually swing him on that.
519
00:20:01.335 --> 00:20:02.955
He can clearly afford it. Anyway, I thought
520
00:20:02.955 --> 00:20:04.635
that was pretty cool and I just wanna give a round
521
00:20:04.635 --> 00:20:06.475
of applause to the Fox crew for like getting
522
00:20:06.475 --> 00:20:07.675
that, getting that stuff in.
523
00:20:07.895 --> 00:20:10.035
All right. I, my follow up is,
524
00:20:10.195 --> 00:20:12.035
I actually wanna defend you a little bit, James,
525
00:20:12.345 --> 00:20:14.515
because I did something that I almost never do
526
00:20:14.575 --> 00:20:16.835
and I read the YouTube comments from last week
527
00:20:17.375 --> 00:20:19.235
and your point was, uh,
528
00:20:19.505 --> 00:20:22.765
Last week being Toronto or last week, week
529
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Being Laguna, last week after Toronto.
530
00:20:27.115 --> 00:20:28.845
Okay.
So you're, you're,
531
00:20:28.845 --> 00:20:30.325
Did you two comments of our show?
532
00:20:30.625 --> 00:20:31.685
Yes.
Okay.
533
00:20:31.865 --> 00:20:34.885
You had said that people should take a step back on the
534
00:20:34.955 --> 00:20:36.285
vitriol mm-hmm .
535
00:20:36.705 --> 00:20:39.805
And one of the comments and a few people agreed was like,
536
00:20:39.825 --> 00:20:42.045
oh, so we're not allowed to criticize it at all
537
00:20:42.065 --> 00:20:44.405
unless we produced a broadcast ourselves.
538
00:20:44.825 --> 00:20:45.845
It was like, okay. That what I said
539
00:20:46.065 --> 00:20:48.005
way to take him outta con. Not at all. He
540
00:20:48.005 --> 00:20:49.085
Said not what I said at all. Said he said take
541
00:20:49.325 --> 00:20:51.605
A step back on the vitriol. Yep. I just wanted, I have
542
00:20:51.815 --> 00:20:52.885
Point opinion criticize,
543
00:20:53.225 --> 00:20:55.565
but you don't need to be a about it if you've
544
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never done it. Yes. And
545
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That hundred percent.
546
00:20:57.645 --> 00:20:58.645
I just wanted to point that out
547
00:20:58.845 --> 00:21:01.165
'cause I wasn't gonna get in a YouTube comment fight should,
548
00:21:01.165 --> 00:21:02.445
it's funnier if I respond here
549
00:21:02.445 --> 00:21:04.925
because now I'm not gonna read the the comment
550
00:21:05.905 --> 00:21:07.685
You
Should, you should really work on your,
551
00:21:07.875 --> 00:21:09.045
your people skills.
552
00:21:09.055 --> 00:21:11.205
James, just coming from someone
553
00:21:11.385 --> 00:21:13.765
who doesn't get abused in YouTube comments like
554
00:21:13.785 --> 00:21:14.845
you should really Oh no, you
555
00:21:14.845 --> 00:21:15.845
Do too.
556
00:21:15.845 --> 00:21:16.285
I just don't care about those.
557
00:21:17.105 --> 00:21:19.485
Oh,
I assume I didn't actually, I, there's,
558
00:21:20.235 --> 00:21:21.365
There's
So many things.
559
00:21:21.605 --> 00:21:24.205
I mean, honestly I assume too. That makes
560
00:21:24.205 --> 00:21:25.205
Sense. ,
561
00:21:25.525 --> 00:21:28.205
I just know you do. But like when somebody argues against
562
00:21:28.485 --> 00:21:29.965
somebody for something they didn't say,
563
00:21:30.195 --> 00:21:32.845
that pisses me off more than anything. It's the strong man
564
00:21:33.045 --> 00:21:34.045
Argument.
565
00:21:34.045 --> 00:21:35.725
And I, I made sure to specifically say we welcome all
566
00:21:35.965 --> 00:21:36.965
feedback and criticism.
567
00:21:37.635 --> 00:21:41.725
Just don't act like we ran over your grandmother with a bus.
568
00:21:42.385 --> 00:21:44.045
Is that like saying though, like,
569
00:21:44.185 --> 00:21:46.205
no offense, but you're super ugly ,
570
00:21:47.465 --> 00:21:48.725
No offense, but just
571
00:21:48.845 --> 00:21:49.605
'cause you said no offense
572
00:21:49.605 --> 00:21:50.845
doesn't mean you can say whatever you want.
573
00:21:51.275 --> 00:21:52.725
Even convince welcome. I said no,
574
00:21:53.625 --> 00:21:54.625
We welcome all feedback.
575
00:21:54.625 --> 00:21:55.925
Yeah, we welcome all feedback.
576
00:21:55.925 --> 00:21:58.405
We all, but don't you dare give us any feedback.
577
00:21:59.225 --> 00:22:01.005
No, no feedback. Just you don't have to be,
578
00:22:01.265 --> 00:22:02.485
you don't have to be so mean about it.
579
00:22:02.705 --> 00:22:03.965
We get it. It's not like we,
580
00:22:04.075 --> 00:22:06.645
it's like we're doing this on purpose anyway.
581
00:22:07.265 --> 00:22:11.645
Um, thanks for coming to my defense, I guess. Uh,
582
00:22:12.465 --> 00:22:13.525
So anyways, there's a race.
583
00:22:13.585 --> 00:22:15.125
So and one last thing before we talk about
584
00:22:15.125 --> 00:22:16.205
the actual race itself.
585
00:22:16.885 --> 00:22:19.005
I just wanna shout out the listeners to this podcast
586
00:22:19.115 --> 00:22:20.485
because between Toronto
587
00:22:20.485 --> 00:22:23.125
and Laguna, again, an abnormal amount
588
00:22:23.125 --> 00:22:25.485
of people made comments about how they listened to the show.
589
00:22:25.745 --> 00:22:28.765
And it still blows me away, Alex, I don't know if you saw
590
00:22:28.765 --> 00:22:31.485
or heard or felt any of that in Toronto and in Laguna,
591
00:22:31.545 --> 00:22:34.845
but opposite ends of the continent, different countries,
592
00:22:34.845 --> 00:22:37.005
different cities, same incredible
593
00:22:37.405 --> 00:22:38.445
response and it's just amazing
594
00:22:39.145 --> 00:22:42.085
And the same general opinion of Tim, which is great.
595
00:22:43.075 --> 00:22:44.325
Yeah. It's still like,
596
00:22:44.705 --> 00:22:47.245
man one in a hundred is like, oh, is he here?
597
00:22:47.345 --> 00:22:49.005
And when we'd never be like, no, thank God,
598
00:22:49.005 --> 00:22:50.205
they're like, oh, that's too bad.
599
00:22:50.265 --> 00:22:51.525
I'm like, stop listening. I don't
600
00:22:51.525 --> 00:22:52.605
Even, oh well the nevermind of those guys.
601
00:22:52.685 --> 00:22:54.285
I won't give them the finger, but everybody else.
602
00:22:54.995 --> 00:22:57.125
Yeah, no, it's like I say is yeah,
603
00:22:57.125 --> 00:22:58.925
the 99 are definitely on our side.
604
00:22:59.185 --> 00:23:03.805
Anyway, Laguna Seka. Alex, how was your weekend?
605
00:23:11.975 --> 00:23:12.955
Are we allowed to get into it?
606
00:23:14.015 --> 00:23:15.155
To a certain extent? Yeah, I think
607
00:23:15.655 --> 00:23:16.755
We can talk about it.
608
00:23:16.975 --> 00:23:21.515
Um, it was, uh, listen, I crashed in practice one,
609
00:23:22.615 --> 00:23:25.515
um, before we even got to the red tires.
610
00:23:27.215 --> 00:23:31.075
And that, that's always gonna put you behind, um,
611
00:23:31.075 --> 00:23:35.475
because you can only run reds, well, you only have a set
612
00:23:35.475 --> 00:23:40.315
of reds to run before qualifying, um, in practice one.
613
00:23:42.215 --> 00:23:46.325
So not getting a, a kind
614
00:23:46.325 --> 00:23:50.165
of clear picture of the, the pace offset and balance offset
615
00:23:50.185 --> 00:23:54.485
and whatever, um, was put us on the back foot immediately.
616
00:23:55.425 --> 00:23:59.725
Um, no Tim, that's an alarm going off on a truck backing up.
617
00:23:59.785 --> 00:24:01.835
So it's done now.
618
00:24:03.665 --> 00:24:06.165
Um, so back foot crash
619
00:24:07.445 --> 00:24:09.865
should have been fairly easy to recover from.
620
00:24:10.205 --> 00:24:12.825
Um, but then practice two got canceled
621
00:24:12.895 --> 00:24:17.105
because , this really just weird weather event
622
00:24:17.985 --> 00:24:19.305
happened on Saturday morning.
623
00:24:19.645 --> 00:24:24.585
And, um, there's something called a, a marine layer that,
624
00:24:24.605 --> 00:24:26.705
uh, I, I don't think anyone entirely new information
625
00:24:27.365 --> 00:24:30.825
anyone could have ever, ever predicted, um, came
626
00:24:31.205 --> 00:24:32.225
and, uh, didn't allow,
627
00:24:32.225 --> 00:24:34.145
Can't wait for the Hollywood blockbuster about this
628
00:24:34.455 --> 00:24:35.785
unheard of phenomenon.
629
00:24:35.785 --> 00:24:38.905
This, oh, it, it's like clearly there is a shift in in the
630
00:24:38.905 --> 00:24:42.305
global weather because like this is, this is completely new.
631
00:24:43.085 --> 00:24:46.945
Um, so the, the helicopter wasn't able to take off,
632
00:24:47.835 --> 00:24:52.265
which is, uh, grounds to, to not go green.
633
00:24:52.925 --> 00:24:55.105
Um, Fox is,
634
00:24:56.205 --> 00:25:01.105
was very adamant about their live TV slot
635
00:25:01.165 --> 00:25:02.945
for qualifying, which is understandable.
636
00:25:03.805 --> 00:25:06.345
Um, so there wasn't much flexibility on that,
637
00:25:06.355 --> 00:25:08.145
which meant practice two got canceled.
638
00:25:09.245 --> 00:25:14.075
Um, which again was tough for us
639
00:25:14.075 --> 00:25:16.275
because we didn't get the run on reds.
640
00:25:16.275 --> 00:25:17.795
We only did 10 laps in practice
641
00:25:18.055 --> 00:25:20.155
one practice two got canceled.
642
00:25:20.575 --> 00:25:23.675
So on the 20 car we had to roll straight into qualifying,
643
00:25:24.415 --> 00:25:28.555
um, with not even an install check with a repaired car.
644
00:25:29.735 --> 00:25:32.595
And so it was just, uh, it was difficult
645
00:25:32.595 --> 00:25:36.475
because we, we weren't fast enough.
646
00:25:36.975 --> 00:25:38.355
Um, I wasn't fast enough
647
00:25:39.415 --> 00:25:42.515
and we started 22nd as a result of that.
648
00:25:42.775 --> 00:25:47.135
So, um, very disappointing
649
00:25:47.135 --> 00:25:49.175
because for the most part
650
00:25:49.375 --> 00:25:50.495
I think it could have been avoided.
651
00:25:50.755 --> 00:25:54.775
Um, but that is not the way the cookie crumbled.
652
00:25:55.115 --> 00:25:56.975
Um, what, and so then yes,
653
00:25:57.125 --> 00:25:59.175
Well what, what happened in the crash?
654
00:25:59.365 --> 00:26:03.095
What was, what caused the little snafu and six?
655
00:26:04.075 --> 00:26:06.895
Um,
Just because like guys,
656
00:26:07.055 --> 00:26:08.055
'cause guys were going off left, right
657
00:26:08.055 --> 00:26:10.055
and center, like a dozen cars went off or spun
658
00:26:10.055 --> 00:26:11.335
or whatever. So clearly the track was in
659
00:26:12.075 --> 00:26:13.075
Not the best shape.
660
00:26:13.075 --> 00:26:13.775
So like, right.
661
00:26:13.855 --> 00:26:16.095
I mean it was just slow, like the track was just,
662
00:26:16.315 --> 00:26:20.655
it was over two seconds off, um, from a pace standpoint.
663
00:26:20.915 --> 00:26:24.965
And I think that it,
664
00:26:25.205 --> 00:26:28.005
I was just too, too much, too early ultimately,
665
00:26:28.165 --> 00:26:29.245
I mean, that, that is what it was.
666
00:26:29.385 --> 00:26:32.285
Um, it was just too much entry speed into six and had a snap
667
00:26:32.345 --> 00:26:34.765
and that was kind of all she wrote.
668
00:26:34.795 --> 00:26:37.285
Like it wasn't that big of a, of a hit,
669
00:26:37.285 --> 00:26:38.485
obviously it ended the session,
670
00:26:38.625 --> 00:26:40.645
but like the car wasn't in terrible shape.
671
00:26:40.945 --> 00:26:43.485
Um, so yeah, it, it was just
672
00:26:44.245 --> 00:26:46.525
practice two getting canceled was like the worst possible
673
00:26:46.525 --> 00:26:49.565
thing that could have happened after you miss
674
00:26:50.345 --> 00:26:53.125
the most important, I'll put that in air quotes, part
675
00:26:53.125 --> 00:26:55.965
of practice one and it was just like, ah.
676
00:26:56.625 --> 00:27:00.365
Um, so anyways, so we, uh, it's funny
677
00:27:00.645 --> 00:27:02.845
'cause like I was actually on a lap good enough to transfer
678
00:27:02.845 --> 00:27:05.965
and qualifying, but like I gave up all the time in turn six,
679
00:27:05.975 --> 00:27:09.165
which I guess is maybe to be expected.
680
00:27:09.195 --> 00:27:13.845
Yeah. Um, yeah, so, uh, we started 22nd, we finished 15th.
681
00:27:14.185 --> 00:27:17.605
Um, it was a pretty, we didn't call a great race
682
00:27:18.515 --> 00:27:21.125
from a strategy standpoint. Um, started Would you start
683
00:27:21.125 --> 00:27:22.125
On
Yet?
684
00:27:22.125 --> 00:27:24.205
Started, started on blacks, um, okay.
685
00:27:25.105 --> 00:27:27.415
Which is what Dixon started on
686
00:27:27.515 --> 00:27:29.015
and it's what Callum started on.
687
00:27:30.045 --> 00:27:33.865
And our whole plan in the beginning was to, to kind
688
00:27:33.865 --> 00:27:36.545
of come in early and get off the blacks,
689
00:27:38.165 --> 00:27:39.265
but then we didn't do that.
690
00:27:39.805 --> 00:27:43.105
So I don't, I haven't really had a full debrief as
691
00:27:43.105 --> 00:27:44.265
to why that was the case.
692
00:27:44.765 --> 00:27:46.305
Mm-hmm . Um, obviously
693
00:27:46.305 --> 00:27:47.905
that ended up being the right strategy
694
00:27:48.565 --> 00:27:50.665
for those cars starting back there.
695
00:27:50.855 --> 00:27:53.305
They got a lot of help with yellows ultimately at the end.
696
00:27:53.385 --> 00:27:56.385
'cause I think both Cal Mans Scott were gonna be in pretty
697
00:27:56.605 --> 00:27:59.705
big fuel trouble, but ultimately there was enough yellows
698
00:27:59.705 --> 00:28:02.465
that it, uh, it all worked out for them.
699
00:28:02.685 --> 00:28:06.185
So the pace of the car was good.
700
00:28:06.215 --> 00:28:09.785
Like our, our average pace through the race was like 11th.
701
00:28:10.085 --> 00:28:12.745
We finished 15th. Like it was, we, we kind of finished
702
00:28:12.745 --> 00:28:15.745
where we could, I mean it was, it was fairly track position,
703
00:28:16.185 --> 00:28:17.985
sensitive race as most IndyCar races are.
704
00:28:18.005 --> 00:28:20.625
Not saying it was a bad race or impossible to pass,
705
00:28:20.645 --> 00:28:24.265
but like starting back there without having some stroke
706
00:28:24.265 --> 00:28:25.505
of luck on the strategy side.
707
00:28:25.505 --> 00:28:27.545
Like it's not, it's just hard to go forward.
708
00:28:27.725 --> 00:28:30.625
So, um, it ultimately was an okay day
709
00:28:30.975 --> 00:28:32.305
from a performance standpoint.
710
00:28:32.305 --> 00:28:35.505
We just started too far back, so that was our day.
711
00:28:35.725 --> 00:28:36.985
Um, I'd love to,
712
00:28:36.985 --> 00:28:40.785
before we get into win number eight for the 10 car
713
00:28:41.365 --> 00:28:44.955
and everything that he has accomplished, we really need
714
00:28:44.955 --> 00:28:47.955
to talk about some of the, uh, race control decisions,
715
00:28:47.995 --> 00:28:51.715
I think 'cause those were, uh, wild
716
00:28:51.895 --> 00:28:54.435
and I was very, so the fir I was very upset
717
00:28:54.935 --> 00:28:59.675
for two different reasons on both circumstances. Okay.
718
00:29:00.015 --> 00:29:01.875
So the two that you're referring to are,
719
00:29:02.195 --> 00:29:04.795
I assume reus in the gravel at chart three
720
00:29:05.295 --> 00:29:08.475
and then Marcus on the straight, uh, outta six.
721
00:29:08.475 --> 00:29:11.115
Yes. Okay, so we'll start for the first one with reus.
722
00:29:11.665 --> 00:29:13.115
What are your issues?
723
00:29:13.505 --> 00:29:17.075
Okay, so for, for those that missed it, race was fired off,
724
00:29:17.295 --> 00:29:19.795
uh, unfortunately by Kirkwood beached,
725
00:29:20.095 --> 00:29:21.475
we were in the middle of a pit cycle.
726
00:29:22.175 --> 00:29:26.275
And so even though we had a car very clearly stranded
727
00:29:26.275 --> 00:29:29.155
and the gravel race control left the track green
728
00:29:29.175 --> 00:29:31.595
and the pits open for about a lap
729
00:29:31.595 --> 00:29:34.155
and a half to give everyone that hadn't pit the chance
730
00:29:34.155 --> 00:29:37.595
to come in pit do a couple corners of an out lap.
731
00:29:37.695 --> 00:29:41.345
And then the yellow was thrown. So Alex, go
732
00:29:41.345 --> 00:29:42.345
Ahead.
733
00:29:42.345 --> 00:29:42.785
So I was upset about that
734
00:29:42.855 --> 00:29:47.335
because turn three was one
735
00:29:47.335 --> 00:29:48.575
of the hardest corners.
736
00:29:48.835 --> 00:29:50.215
Um, all weekend. It,
737
00:29:50.235 --> 00:29:52.615
it usually is Turn three is a super low grip
738
00:29:52.755 --> 00:29:53.895
corner at Laguna.
739
00:29:53.955 --> 00:29:55.495
Um, it's very easy to slide off there.
740
00:29:56.315 --> 00:30:00.695
Um, there was a car backwards facing, um,
741
00:30:01.255 --> 00:30:06.215
oncoming traffic pretty much online, um, in the gravel trap.
742
00:30:06.485 --> 00:30:08.735
Granted there was no yes, James,
743
00:30:09.375 --> 00:30:10.615
I say he was in the, he wasn't online,
744
00:30:10.615 --> 00:30:12.335
he was in the, he was in the gravel. What do you mean on
745
00:30:12.335 --> 00:30:13.335
Online?
746
00:30:13.335 --> 00:30:13.735
No, online. If he went straight,
747
00:30:13.925 --> 00:30:16.615
like he was in done the firing range of a car,
748
00:30:16.615 --> 00:30:21.525
if it went straight, um, there was no contact with the wall,
749
00:30:21.625 --> 00:30:26.265
but there was contact and everything that has been
750
00:30:26.825 --> 00:30:29.825
previously disclosed by race control has been,
751
00:30:30.445 --> 00:30:33.185
if there's no contact and it's in a safe spot,
752
00:30:33.475 --> 00:30:34.705
we're gonna let the cycle finish.
753
00:30:35.355 --> 00:30:39.145
There was contact and he was not in a safe spot
754
00:30:39.845 --> 00:30:41.385
and they let the cycle finish.
755
00:30:41.685 --> 00:30:43.625
So problem number one is consistency.
756
00:30:44.095 --> 00:30:49.025
Problem number two is they displayed a yellow flag over
757
00:30:49.025 --> 00:30:52.895
the top of the hill into turn one, I was in the middle
758
00:30:52.895 --> 00:30:54.975
of a exchange with guys on cold tires
759
00:30:55.595 --> 00:30:57.255
and it took away a passing zone.
760
00:30:58.225 --> 00:30:59.725
Not only did the cars
761
00:30:59.795 --> 00:31:02.205
that beat the yellow from a strategy standpoint
762
00:31:02.205 --> 00:31:05.765
and came in early, did they not get the benefit of taking
763
00:31:05.795 --> 00:31:08.165
that gamble, which rightly
764
00:31:08.165 --> 00:31:11.165
or wrongly, like I was on the side,
765
00:31:11.165 --> 00:31:12.325
that would've benefited from it.
766
00:31:12.445 --> 00:31:15.885
I understand Colton's point where he was on the side
767
00:31:15.885 --> 00:31:17.205
that would've been penalized for it.
768
00:31:17.425 --> 00:31:19.045
But it's welcome to IndyCar racing.
769
00:31:19.315 --> 00:31:21.285
Like you win some, you lose some.
770
00:31:21.355 --> 00:31:24.125
Like we've had this debate over and over again.
771
00:31:24.585 --> 00:31:26.845
The pits close under yellow.
772
00:31:27.705 --> 00:31:29.565
That's the, that's that is IndyCar racing.
773
00:31:30.215 --> 00:31:32.405
There shouldn't be one human being
774
00:31:32.405 --> 00:31:34.965
that is affecting the outcome of the race regardless.
775
00:31:35.075 --> 00:31:38.045
That is our rule. So like that is what it's, so anyways,
776
00:31:39.585 --> 00:31:41.965
the fact that the, the yellow being displayed there
777
00:31:42.025 --> 00:31:43.125
was, was frustrating.
778
00:31:43.625 --> 00:31:45.335
Um, and so
779
00:31:45.335 --> 00:31:47.095
that was why I was upset about the first one
780
00:31:47.275 --> 00:31:48.335
was just like, what are we doing?
781
00:31:48.335 --> 00:31:50.415
Like this doesn't, this doesn't make sense
782
00:31:50.435 --> 00:31:51.495
or meet the criteria.
783
00:31:51.565 --> 00:31:54.135
Like the example that we always used to use is
784
00:31:54.135 --> 00:31:56.375
to not closing, uh,
785
00:31:56.395 --> 00:31:58.735
or not throwing the yellow right away was like, and Barbara
786
00:31:58.835 --> 00:32:01.335
and Graham had a mechanical and there was no contact
787
00:32:01.675 --> 00:32:03.855
and he had pulled offline in a straightaway
788
00:32:03.855 --> 00:32:04.975
where people could see him.
789
00:32:05.555 --> 00:32:07.615
He, there was no danger to it.
790
00:32:08.355 --> 00:32:12.415
Um, that was not the situation
791
00:32:12.415 --> 00:32:14.535
that occurred in the first yellow James, go ahead.
792
00:32:15.275 --> 00:32:17.455
So I, I for the most part agree
793
00:32:17.685 --> 00:32:18.855
with everything that you're saying.
794
00:32:19.755 --> 00:32:22.095
Um, where I think
795
00:32:22.645 --> 00:32:25.455
race control would come back is they would say that
796
00:32:26.035 --> 00:32:27.175
is, this is my guess, right?
797
00:32:27.315 --> 00:32:29.135
Um, this is not something they have said.
798
00:32:29.135 --> 00:32:32.855
This is me putting the other shoe on, you know, uh,
799
00:32:33.415 --> 00:32:35.775
whatever, um, shoe on the other foot,
800
00:32:35.975 --> 00:32:39.015
whatever the saying is, I'm tired is
801
00:32:40.035 --> 00:32:41.785
there wasn't contact with the wall.
802
00:32:42.005 --> 00:32:44.505
The contact car to car was fairly light.
803
00:32:45.415 --> 00:32:47.475
Uh, which is true and
804
00:32:47.585 --> 00:32:49.315
Yeah, it doesn't matter its contact.
805
00:32:49.975 --> 00:32:52.075
No, I know, I know. So as,
806
00:32:52.135 --> 00:32:54.995
and then as far as him being not in a safe location, the,
807
00:32:54.995 --> 00:32:57.235
you know, the argument's gonna be if you throw a yellow,
808
00:32:57.495 --> 00:32:59.635
you're a professional racing driver, you should be able
809
00:32:59.635 --> 00:33:01.875
to not pitch it off under a yellow flag
810
00:33:02.255 --> 00:33:03.675
to end up where that car is.
811
00:33:03.885 --> 00:33:07.475
Right? And he was, you know, he wasn't, he was spun online,
812
00:33:07.475 --> 00:33:09.315
stopped on the racetrack, on the racing surface,
813
00:33:09.315 --> 00:33:10.755
obviously different different story.
814
00:33:11.295 --> 00:33:13.915
So in the sense of, I'm gonna disagree with you in the sense
815
00:33:13.915 --> 00:33:17.195
of him being an unsafe place, I am gonna agree
816
00:33:17.195 --> 00:33:18.435
with you on the contact side though
817
00:33:18.505 --> 00:33:23.035
because what I've always, when this conversation kind
818
00:33:23.035 --> 00:33:25.115
of first started, 'cause there have been other examples,
819
00:33:25.115 --> 00:33:26.555
and this is where it's like they'll,
820
00:33:26.555 --> 00:33:28.075
they'll argue the consistency side.
821
00:33:28.205 --> 00:33:29.475
There have been other examples
822
00:33:29.475 --> 00:33:30.715
where there's been minor contact,
823
00:33:31.175 --> 00:33:32.355
but the yellow didn't come out.
824
00:33:33.055 --> 00:33:37.795
And where I'm with you is, I i it's too gray an area, right?
825
00:33:38.065 --> 00:33:41.435
It's too subjective about what's the appropriate level
826
00:33:41.435 --> 00:33:43.195
of contact before a yellow's thrown.
827
00:33:43.775 --> 00:33:46.675
So I'm with you that it should be, if there is car to car
828
00:33:46.855 --> 00:33:49.755
or carto wall contact, it should be black and white.
829
00:33:49.765 --> 00:33:53.795
There should be no, you know, no area to le you know,
830
00:33:53.795 --> 00:33:55.315
to leave open for interpretation.
831
00:33:55.615 --> 00:33:58.035
The yellow should come out. That is part of the gamble
832
00:33:58.035 --> 00:33:59.555
of IndyCar racing as you said.
833
00:34:00.055 --> 00:34:01.955
You know, would it have hosed the guy
834
00:34:01.955 --> 00:34:02.955
that should have won the race?
835
00:34:03.335 --> 00:34:05.275
Yes. But that's part of it, right?
836
00:34:05.495 --> 00:34:07.315
If Reinas had just gone all the way off
837
00:34:07.315 --> 00:34:08.755
and hit the wall, the yellow would've come out,
838
00:34:08.975 --> 00:34:10.435
you know, certainly.
839
00:34:10.575 --> 00:34:11.955
And the outcome would be the same.
840
00:34:12.415 --> 00:34:15.595
So I'm with you that we should move away from a place
841
00:34:15.595 --> 00:34:19.555
where there is any opening for judgment and it's black
842
00:34:19.555 --> 00:34:23.915
and white car to car or car to wall contact the
843
00:34:24.015 --> 00:34:25.435
and and a car stopped. But,
844
00:34:25.435 --> 00:34:26.435
But, but that's what it is.
845
00:34:28.415 --> 00:34:30.115
I'm just saying there's been examples where
846
00:34:30.315 --> 00:34:32.435
that hasn't happened because it was judged
847
00:34:32.435 --> 00:34:34.035
that it wasn't serious enough contact
848
00:34:34.215 --> 00:34:35.215
To justify it.
849
00:34:35.215 --> 00:34:37.875
No, because, no, because, so we were on, we, no,
850
00:34:37.875 --> 00:34:42.095
we had this whole thing and I forget, was it last year
851
00:34:42.095 --> 00:34:44.015
or two years ago at Laguna?
852
00:34:44.015 --> 00:34:45.135
The same exact thing happened
853
00:34:45.195 --> 00:34:49.855
and I was it Ericsson someone had a puncture or someone?
854
00:34:50.505 --> 00:34:51.655
Maybe it wasn't Erickson,
855
00:34:51.655 --> 00:34:53.175
someone didn't know they had a puncture.
856
00:34:53.175 --> 00:34:56.135
It was Felix. It was Felix in 2023. Okay.
857
00:34:57.115 --> 00:34:59.055
And we had had all of these
858
00:34:59.685 --> 00:35:02.055
debates in the off season in the meetings, right.
859
00:35:02.105 --> 00:35:04.055
About how we're not gonna close,
860
00:35:04.505 --> 00:35:06.775
we're not gonna throw the yellow and affect the pit cycle
861
00:35:06.795 --> 00:35:07.815
and all this sort of thing.
862
00:35:07.815 --> 00:35:11.095
Right? In this particular year I was on the flip side of it,
863
00:35:11.135 --> 00:35:12.255
I was in cold shoes, right?
864
00:35:12.375 --> 00:35:13.615
I was on the positive side
865
00:35:14.515 --> 00:35:17.735
and didn't want the yellow to come
866
00:35:17.795 --> 00:35:19.855
and there was people that were all pissed off about it
867
00:35:20.115 --> 00:35:24.145
and ultimately the yellow came before the pits.
868
00:35:24.385 --> 00:35:27.105
I think they let Paolo in, but they didn't let anyone else.
869
00:35:27.165 --> 00:35:28.505
But they, it's not that they let Palo
870
00:35:28.505 --> 00:35:30.265
and he was just so far ahead that he got it.
871
00:35:30.265 --> 00:35:34.665
Yeah. Yeah. And everyone went to race control afterwards
872
00:35:34.725 --> 00:35:36.105
and was m f-ing them, right?
873
00:35:36.105 --> 00:35:37.950
That got screwed by, by it who was up front
874
00:35:38.265 --> 00:35:41.965
and being like the car was, it was identical to Reus
875
00:35:42.505 --> 00:35:44.845
in the identical corner, in the identical situation.
876
00:35:44.845 --> 00:35:46.085
The car was far enough away
877
00:35:46.335 --> 00:35:48.045
where professional drivers was covered
878
00:35:48.045 --> 00:35:49.925
by a local yellow, all this sort of thing.
879
00:35:50.425 --> 00:35:53.965
He didn't hit a wall, he was fine, like all this stuff,
880
00:35:54.105 --> 00:35:55.645
the exact same situation.
881
00:35:55.945 --> 00:35:57.805
And their response was we had to throw yellow
882
00:35:57.805 --> 00:36:00.765
because there was car to car contact and he had a puncture.
883
00:36:00.765 --> 00:36:01.965
Oh, okay. And there was contact.
884
00:36:02.105 --> 00:36:04.245
So there was a precedence for this that was already set
885
00:36:04.505 --> 00:36:07.045
and they didn't do the same thing this year. That's what's
886
00:36:07.365 --> 00:36:08.365
Frustrating.
887
00:36:08.365 --> 00:36:09.885
And yes, then I'm with you. 'cause that's how it should be.
888
00:36:10.225 --> 00:36:12.765
If there's car to car contact, it should not be, and
889
00:36:12.765 --> 00:36:14.165
It wasn't, it wasn't even that big of a contact.
890
00:36:14.305 --> 00:36:16.565
It was enough contact just to give a car a puncture.
891
00:36:16.785 --> 00:36:17.845
But their logic was,
892
00:36:17.845 --> 00:36:19.445
and their defense was, well there was contact
893
00:36:19.585 --> 00:36:21.005
and that's what we <inaudible> decided.
894
00:36:21.495 --> 00:36:22.765
Right? The other thing
895
00:36:22.765 --> 00:36:24.885
that's an issue is the turn two yellow, right?
896
00:36:24.885 --> 00:36:27.205
Like the yellow should be from the exit of two
897
00:36:27.505 --> 00:36:28.525
to the exit of three.
898
00:36:29.145 --> 00:36:31.245
So that I didn't know. And that's interesting.
899
00:36:31.945 --> 00:36:35.605
Um, but yes, I, I know that I've seen situations in the past
900
00:36:35.605 --> 00:36:37.485
where there was minor contact and they didn't throw up
901
00:36:37.605 --> 00:36:38.605
'cause it wasn't kind of deemed enough.
902
00:36:39.025 --> 00:36:41.525
But if you said that this conversation had happened
903
00:36:41.525 --> 00:36:44.085
for a near identical scenario, then yes, that's
904
00:36:44.085 --> 00:36:45.805
where the consistency issue comes in again.
905
00:36:45.995 --> 00:36:50.605
Okay. So that one frustrating. I can maybe see
906
00:36:50.645 --> 00:36:51.645
A little bit more again.
907
00:36:51.645 --> 00:36:53.325
Again. Yeah. Yes.
908
00:36:53.515 --> 00:36:56.605
Like it's wrong because of all the reasons we just said,
909
00:36:56.905 --> 00:37:01.365
but from a subjectivity standpoint, which you, you need
910
00:37:01.365 --> 00:37:03.405
to get rid of, but ultimately it still exists.
911
00:37:03.635 --> 00:37:05.045
Like you can, you can
912
00:37:05.595 --> 00:37:07.805
justify in your head like I think we can
913
00:37:07.805 --> 00:37:08.925
all agree upon that, right?
914
00:37:09.345 --> 00:37:10.965
Yes. Yes. Now we get to the next one.
915
00:37:12.725 --> 00:37:14.645
I don't even like, I want you to tell this
916
00:37:15.005 --> 00:37:16.765
'cause I'm gonna try really hard to not get fired here.
917
00:37:18.275 --> 00:37:21.445
Well why would you, you don't work for IndyCar?
918
00:37:23.145 --> 00:37:25.085
No, but you never know. Right
919
00:37:25.085 --> 00:37:26.285
In front of me outta turn six.
920
00:37:26.745 --> 00:37:30.485
Um, Ericsson got a little bit wide on the exit curb,
921
00:37:30.705 --> 00:37:32.125
did a great job chasing up the hill.
922
00:37:32.445 --> 00:37:35.565
Ultimately had like a lazy spin over the top, no contact.
923
00:37:36.745 --> 00:37:41.125
Um, but you know, I think everyone's familiar with Laguna.
924
00:37:41.125 --> 00:37:42.925
There's a lot of elevation. You know, we go up
925
00:37:42.925 --> 00:37:46.285
and down a mountain and um, even as he was spinning,
926
00:37:46.375 --> 00:37:48.325
there was a moment in time where like I had
927
00:37:48.325 --> 00:37:50.645
to like completely lift and get on the brakes.
928
00:37:50.845 --> 00:37:53.365
'cause I, I lost him in my sight.
929
00:37:54.085 --> 00:37:55.965
I knew he was like sideways and to the right,
930
00:37:56.065 --> 00:37:58.445
but like I didn't know had he moved back to the middle
931
00:37:58.445 --> 00:37:59.685
of the track 'cause it's completely blind.
932
00:37:59.685 --> 00:38:02.885
You, you're coming up the hill up the crest to ex corkscrew
933
00:38:02.885 --> 00:38:04.765
and you're like looking at the sky like you can't
934
00:38:04.785 --> 00:38:06.005
see the racetrack, right?
935
00:38:07.305 --> 00:38:10.285
And so I kind of went around him and it was no big deal
936
00:38:11.345 --> 00:38:14.475
and went, went into the yellow map,
937
00:38:14.625 --> 00:38:16.795
like into the corkscrew really.
938
00:38:16.895 --> 00:38:18.315
And then I got, I got to the bottom
939
00:38:18.315 --> 00:38:19.675
of the corkscrew and it was still green.
940
00:38:19.715 --> 00:38:22.115
I was like, oh, <inaudible>. So I like went back
941
00:38:23.615 --> 00:38:25.595
and kept racing
942
00:38:25.975 --> 00:38:27.515
and I was like, in my head I was like,
943
00:38:27.695 --> 00:38:29.475
you're just like waiting for the call, you're waiting
944
00:38:29.475 --> 00:38:31.715
for the lights, you're waiting for whatever, right? And
945
00:38:31.715 --> 00:38:33.355
By the time you're at turn four you're like, oh,
946
00:38:33.375 --> 00:38:34.635
he must have got going again.
947
00:38:35.225 --> 00:38:36.725
For sure. For sure. We have hybrid
948
00:38:36.785 --> 00:38:38.205
starts, all this sort of thing.
949
00:38:39.605 --> 00:38:41.965
I exit six and I'm coming up the hill
950
00:38:41.965 --> 00:38:43.645
and I see yellow flags and I'm like, no way.
951
00:38:44.345 --> 00:38:47.125
And I'm like, well the last time he was
952
00:38:47.125 --> 00:38:48.285
very far to the right.
953
00:38:48.385 --> 00:38:50.285
So like I assume he's still very far to the right.
954
00:38:50.385 --> 00:38:52.605
And so like I go far left over the curb
955
00:38:52.665 --> 00:38:54.485
and sure enough he was still far to the right.
956
00:38:54.825 --> 00:38:58.845
But you don't see him until you are at the crest
957
00:38:58.845 --> 00:39:03.445
of the hill, which is six gear, 160 miles an hour ish.
958
00:39:03.825 --> 00:39:06.285
And he's literally just broadside, broadside.
959
00:39:06.285 --> 00:39:10.855
Kind of like the,
960
00:39:12.075 --> 00:39:13.735
if someone like that,
961
00:39:14.525 --> 00:39:15.975
it's the worst, worst someone would die. Worst
962
00:39:16.175 --> 00:39:16.815
Scenario. It's the worst
963
00:39:16.975 --> 00:39:17.975
Scenario.
964
00:39:17.975 --> 00:39:18.335
Someone would die. Yeah.
965
00:39:18.395 --> 00:39:21.815
If, if there was contact for whatever reason, right?
966
00:39:22.035 --> 00:39:25.815
Um, but my, my next thing that I, I really struggled
967
00:39:25.815 --> 00:39:30.695
to understand, there was no yellow, um, for I think a lap
968
00:39:30.715 --> 00:39:33.575
and a half after, because I, I saw him twice now.
969
00:39:33.755 --> 00:39:36.695
It was, I was one of the first cars, oh, high balloons, .
970
00:39:37.295 --> 00:39:39.615
I was one of the first cars on scene.
971
00:39:40.195 --> 00:39:42.535
So I really passed it under caution
972
00:39:42.835 --> 00:39:45.655
or under, under like green conditions once .
973
00:39:46.015 --> 00:39:50.015
But it was twice. Why is two balloons?
974
00:39:50.015 --> 00:39:51.015
Anyways, I don't know.
975
00:39:51.275 --> 00:39:55.675
So, so, um, the, the last point
976
00:39:55.675 --> 00:39:57.795
that I'm gonna get at is, okay, we have hybrid start.
977
00:39:58.695 --> 00:40:01.205
Let's say race control was waiting for him to be able
978
00:40:01.205 --> 00:40:02.205
to hybrid start himself.
979
00:40:02.825 --> 00:40:05.405
How the <inaudible> is he starting himself
980
00:40:05.585 --> 00:40:09.445
and then turning it because he can't see either anything.
981
00:40:09.445 --> 00:40:12.845
Was he supposed to turn across the race line at zero miles
982
00:40:12.845 --> 00:40:14.405
an hour in on the,
983
00:40:14.425 --> 00:40:17.325
on the idle while cars were coming in 150 miles an hour?
984
00:40:17.675 --> 00:40:20.525
Like in what scenario was that gonna work out for anyone?
985
00:40:23.745 --> 00:40:25.445
It
Wasn't. And it also wasn't during a pit cycle.
986
00:40:26.185 --> 00:40:28.685
And that's, and this is it, man, like, okay,
987
00:40:30.345 --> 00:40:31.925
now I'm gonna try to just take a breath.
988
00:40:33.165 --> 00:40:35.765
I get very worked up on anything safety related. Okay?
989
00:40:35.785 --> 00:40:38.605
And to me this was a hundred percent a safety issue.
990
00:40:38.945 --> 00:40:40.005
We could have been in the middle
991
00:40:40.745 --> 00:40:42.045
of a green flight pit cycle.
992
00:40:42.865 --> 00:40:45.285
And when you've got a car stopped broadside
993
00:40:45.385 --> 00:40:46.525
on the racing surface.
994
00:40:47.455 --> 00:40:48.885
Don't, don't give me offline.
995
00:40:49.935 --> 00:40:51.455
I I don't even wanna hear it because
996
00:40:51.515 --> 00:40:53.255
how many guys dropped two wheels outta turn?
997
00:40:53.275 --> 00:40:55.975
Six. It's easy to do even if you are kind of taking it easy.
998
00:40:56.285 --> 00:40:57.655
What if a tire was going down?
999
00:40:57.925 --> 00:40:59.255
What if you had some sort of failure?
1000
00:40:59.285 --> 00:41:01.535
What if some car in front of you dropped a little bit
1001
00:41:01.535 --> 00:41:04.135
of fluid and you went two wheels wide
1002
00:41:04.155 --> 00:41:07.055
and just carried up the exact same way Marcus did?
1003
00:41:07.345 --> 00:41:08.495
These things are possible,
1004
00:41:09.285 --> 00:41:11.095
even if they're improbable, they're possible.
1005
00:41:11.395 --> 00:41:15.335
But blind crest broadside on the racing surface on a
1006
00:41:15.535 --> 00:41:17.455
straight at a hundred and whatever fifth gear
1007
00:41:22.135 --> 00:41:26.185
Race control can see the engine is dead in that scenario
1008
00:41:27.295 --> 00:41:28.865
because of how dangerous it is.
1009
00:41:29.365 --> 00:41:32.825
If you want to give him 10 seconds to try to start it on a,
1010
00:41:32.885 --> 00:41:35.355
on the hybrid even that I don't love,
1011
00:41:35.415 --> 00:41:39.035
but like, fine, 10 seconds, not two minutes.
1012
00:41:41.325 --> 00:41:44.785
And on top of that, it wasn't in a green flight pit cycle.
1013
00:41:45.325 --> 00:41:47.225
The the stops were done, stops every done,
1014
00:41:47.225 --> 00:41:48.625
everybody was just on cruise control at that point.
1015
00:41:49.245 --> 00:41:50.665
You were not affecting the outcome
1016
00:41:50.665 --> 00:41:52.465
of the race in any capacity whatsoever.
1017
00:41:52.845 --> 00:41:56.225
All you did was you left a driver stranded on the racetrack,
1018
00:41:57.365 --> 00:42:00.625
deeply exposed to a dangerous situation for
1019
00:42:01.825 --> 00:42:04.105
I think a very, very inappropriate amount of time.
1020
00:42:04.725 --> 00:42:06.385
And I'm very curious to know
1021
00:42:06.445 --> 00:42:07.985
how the Portland drivers meeting goes.
1022
00:42:08.585 --> 00:42:10.985
'cause every driver that I've spoken to
1023
00:42:11.115 --> 00:42:13.585
after the fact has been pretty upset about
1024
00:42:14.475 --> 00:42:15.895
how long that was left green.
1025
00:42:17.755 --> 00:42:18.815
And I just don't, I just,
1026
00:42:18.815 --> 00:42:21.495
that one I cannot like the other one, I can see a,
1027
00:42:21.615 --> 00:42:22.855
a devil's advocate argument.
1028
00:42:22.935 --> 00:42:24.455
I could understand how maybe they got
1029
00:42:24.455 --> 00:42:25.695
to the, you know, with the whole arenas thing.
1030
00:42:25.695 --> 00:42:27.615
I, I get it. I get how you can get there.
1031
00:42:28.245 --> 00:42:30.695
This one, I I just don't, I just don't understand.
1032
00:42:30.895 --> 00:42:32.575
I don't get it. So anyway, uh,
1033
00:42:32.645 --> 00:42:34.015
that all said, we're almost outta time.
1034
00:42:34.115 --> 00:42:38.775
So pull one by a country mile, uh, eighth
1035
00:42:38.875 --> 00:42:40.255
of the season, obviously.
1036
00:42:40.255 --> 00:42:41.335
Yeah, I mean, I mean here's the thing.
1037
00:42:41.515 --> 00:42:43.615
His specialty this year has been hard tires
1038
00:42:44.635 --> 00:42:46.535
except on softs and qualifying.
1039
00:42:46.535 --> 00:42:48.775
He was three tenths clear the field, which is insane.
1040
00:42:49.275 --> 00:42:50.855
And this was a, a red race.
1041
00:42:51.115 --> 00:42:55.745
So, um, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
1042
00:42:56.145 --> 00:42:58.265
I dunno, I dunno what to do, man. I know.
1043
00:42:58.305 --> 00:42:59.385
I don't know what anybody does about it.
1044
00:42:59.455 --> 00:43:00.785
It's insane what he's doing. It's so
1045
00:43:00.785 --> 00:43:01.785
Impressive.
1046
00:43:01.785 --> 00:43:03.865
Nothing. You, you, you regroup and try again next year.
1047
00:43:04.415 --> 00:43:06.625
Yeah, yeah.
Like there's no, you gotta
1048
00:43:06.665 --> 00:43:07.665
F it.
1049
00:43:07.665 --> 00:43:10.665
It was, it was interesting like on the podium, you know,
1050
00:43:10.845 --> 00:43:12.865
he comes up, he gives Christian his high five
1051
00:43:12.885 --> 00:43:14.905
and Colton his high five and stands up in the middle.
1052
00:43:15.125 --> 00:43:15.985
And even Christian and
1053
00:43:15.985 --> 00:43:17.185
Colton, you can see it in their faces.
1054
00:43:17.335 --> 00:43:21.225
Like the, the collective grid is so frustrated
1055
00:43:21.375 --> 00:43:22.665
that he keeps doing it.
1056
00:43:23.095 --> 00:43:24.265
Like it's, he's
1057
00:43:24.265 --> 00:43:25.505
Making us all look really dumb.
.
1058
00:43:28.645 --> 00:43:31.175
It's like if, if Cup just raced on street courses
1059
00:43:31.355 --> 00:43:32.975
and SVG just won every race,
1060
00:43:33.675 --> 00:43:34.935
and you'd just be like, what are we doing
1061
00:43:34.935 --> 00:43:36.335
here? Like it's, yeah, but
1062
00:43:36.335 --> 00:43:37.735
At least, at least there's manu.
1063
00:43:37.755 --> 00:43:39.055
At least there's manufacturers in that.
1064
00:43:39.085 --> 00:43:40.775
Like you could argue like,
1065
00:43:42.555 --> 00:43:45.255
So the thing, the thing, you gotta say it though, like
1066
00:43:45.365 --> 00:43:48.415
that team is also just operating at an insanely high level
1067
00:43:48.525 --> 00:43:52.175
because you've got their other driver who started 19th,
1068
00:43:52.475 --> 00:43:53.895
did a completely different strategy
1069
00:43:54.035 --> 00:43:55.535
and still ends up in top five. Yes.
1070
00:43:56.145 --> 00:43:58.815
James. That is, that is Scott Dixon like, okay,
1071
00:43:59.015 --> 00:44:00.375
I know, but it's also Kinzie.
1072
00:44:00.795 --> 00:44:03.535
You cannot take away what they are doing. I don't know.
1073
00:44:05.315 --> 00:44:08.495
Now to Barry Wan's point at point when he's that when polo's
1074
00:44:08.495 --> 00:44:10.535
that quick, every strategy is an option for you.
1075
00:44:10.555 --> 00:44:12.215
So you can look pretty smart all the time,
1076
00:44:12.515 --> 00:44:13.935
but their pit stops are always good.
1077
00:44:13.945 --> 00:44:15.055
Their car is reliable.
1078
00:44:15.085 --> 00:44:16.335
Like they haven't had a lot of issues.
1079
00:44:16.365 --> 00:44:19.535
Like it's, it's a team effort. But Polo is out there.
1080
00:44:19.535 --> 00:44:20.935
It is, there is no doubt about it.
1081
00:44:22.515 --> 00:44:25.975
Um, I guess he probably wraps it up in
1082
00:44:26.135 --> 00:44:28.375
Portland, two races to go.
1083
00:44:28.375 --> 00:44:29.415
Yes. Which I don't know when the last
1084
00:44:29.415 --> 00:44:30.455
time that happened was.
1085
00:44:31.065 --> 00:44:33.565
I'm honestly surprised he didn't wrap it up already.
1086
00:44:33.715 --> 00:44:37.285
What, what blew my mind was an a stat
1087
00:44:37.285 --> 00:44:39.445
that our boy Nathan Brown put out and,
1088
00:44:39.585 --> 00:44:43.045
and we'll close with this just to, just to show
1089
00:44:44.065 --> 00:44:48.765
the dominance that he has achieved over this season,
1090
00:44:48.905 --> 00:44:52.365
but more so even
1091
00:44:52.595 --> 00:44:54.005
like this past month.
1092
00:44:54.155 --> 00:44:56.845
Okay, check this out. This is unbelievable.
1093
00:44:57.545 --> 00:45:02.325
So Patto Award, right? He had a phenomenal July, yeah.
1094
00:45:02.465 --> 00:45:03.645
In my mind, two races.
1095
00:45:03.645 --> 00:45:06.725
The best July, the best July he's ever had in his career.
1096
00:45:07.235 --> 00:45:09.125
This is the best season he's ever had in his career.
1097
00:45:09.265 --> 00:45:13.165
He finished by far, fifth, first, fifth, first, fourth,
1098
00:45:13.825 --> 00:45:15.485
two wins, all top fives.
1099
00:45:16.035 --> 00:45:17.045
Okay? Incredible,
1100
00:45:17.045 --> 00:45:18.045
Incredible.
1101
00:45:18.045 --> 00:45:19.445
Very various types of tracks.
1102
00:45:19.885 --> 00:45:21.245
Executed an incredibly high level.
1103
00:45:23.605 --> 00:45:25.565
Pelosi still outscored, Patto by 10 points. .
1104
00:45:30.105 --> 00:45:30.965
And he finished 12th and that's with
1105
00:45:31.205 --> 00:45:32.365
A 12th in there. 12th
1106
00:45:32.365 --> 00:45:33.365
In Toronto.
1107
00:45:33.515 --> 00:45:35.565
Dude, the one, the one that got me was going,
1108
00:45:35.565 --> 00:45:40.125
that's just into going into um, Laguna.
1109
00:45:40.595 --> 00:45:44.765
Okay? He had already scored enough points
1110
00:45:45.065 --> 00:45:47.645
to have finished second in last year's championship.
1111
00:45:47.945 --> 00:45:50.045
The only guy that would've beat him was him
1112
00:45:51.235 --> 00:45:53.445
with four rounds to go.
1113
00:45:57.345 --> 00:45:59.545
I never seen anything like it. I hate that.
1114
00:45:59.545 --> 00:46:02.585
He's like making us like our, our biggest selling point for
1115
00:46:02.585 --> 00:46:05.025
so long was watch us because you never know who's gonna win.
1116
00:46:05.085 --> 00:46:06.865
And so 10 different winners under each
1117
00:46:06.865 --> 00:46:08.065
season, blah, blah blah, blah blah.
1118
00:46:08.335 --> 00:46:11.505
Nope, sorry, like F1
1119
00:46:11.505 --> 00:46:12.945
and still whoever's on pole wins the race.
1120
00:46:13.165 --> 00:46:15.735
But at least different guys are
1121
00:46:15.735 --> 00:46:16.935
qualifying on pole and winning.
1122
00:46:16.965 --> 00:46:18.655
There's like two at least, you know,
1123
00:46:18.655 --> 00:46:19.815
maybe a third on a good day.
1124
00:46:19.995 --> 00:46:22.695
But , we just have won right now. It's insane.
1125
00:46:24.175 --> 00:46:28.615
14 races in three people have won races, he is won eight.
1126
00:46:28.955 --> 00:46:31.735
And and to be fair, like he, he should have nine.
1127
00:46:31.765 --> 00:46:32.935
Like he gave away nine.
1128
00:46:34.005 --> 00:46:35.745
Yes. Midio should have been his should have been
1129
00:46:35.745 --> 00:46:37.105
9000%.
1130
00:46:37.565 --> 00:46:39.265
Anyway, he's doing great.
1131
00:46:39.565 --> 00:46:42.695
Um, solid effort. At least
1132
00:46:42.775 --> 00:46:43.775
One.
1133
00:46:43.775 --> 00:46:43.895
Alex is
1134
00:46:46.205 --> 00:46:47.775
your time's coming brother time's coming.
1135
00:46:47.835 --> 00:46:49.135
Hey bro. What uh, uh,
1136
00:46:49.595 --> 00:46:52.135
In terms of the averages, Alexs are kicking ass this year.
1137
00:46:52.555 --> 00:46:54.775
That's a great point. , Alexs have
1138
00:46:54.775 --> 00:46:55.895
won eight races this season,
1139
00:46:56.435 --> 00:46:58.255
So yeah,
If you watch your kid
1140
00:46:58.255 --> 00:46:59.215
to be a success winning car
1141
00:46:59.215 --> 00:47:00.575
driver, name him Alex, you guys are Yeah. You're
1142
00:47:00.815 --> 00:47:02.055
Averaging four wins a piece.
1143
00:47:02.725 --> 00:47:07.255
Exactly right. We
Are dude, we are Pretty good year.
1144
00:47:07.995 --> 00:47:10.455
That's a great year. Uh, I also want to give a shout out
1145
00:47:10.455 --> 00:47:12.375
to ECR and thank uh, Java House
1146
00:47:12.555 --> 00:47:14.535
and Ted Geoff for a little gift package
1147
00:47:14.605 --> 00:47:16.775
that showed up at the production truck that was
1148
00:47:17.515 --> 00:47:21.415
the espresso martini pre-mix pods from Java House.
1149
00:47:21.415 --> 00:47:24.175
Mm-hmm along with a bottle of KAA and a bottle of vodka.
1150
00:47:24.275 --> 00:47:25.575
So that way we could make the entire
1151
00:47:25.595 --> 00:47:26.615
con concussion. Listen, listen,
1152
00:47:26.615 --> 00:47:27.615
Listen.
1153
00:47:27.615 --> 00:47:28.415
Very classy move
Har
1154
00:47:28.415 --> 00:47:29.925
Heartland food groups and Java House.
1155
00:47:29.925 --> 00:47:30.925
We know how to party. We know
1156
00:47:30.925 --> 00:47:32.605
how, how to have, have a good time. Like it's, you
1157
00:47:32.605 --> 00:47:33.605
Guys know how have a good
Time.
1158
00:47:33.605 --> 00:47:35.365
We gotta sort it out. Yeah, I was a big fan of the ads.
1159
00:47:35.905 --> 00:47:37.325
The Java House ads that ran
1160
00:47:37.325 --> 00:47:38.485
on the broadcast were pretty funny.
1161
00:47:38.485 --> 00:47:41.485
Mm-hmm . And lesson like, I mean
1162
00:47:43.295 --> 00:47:44.915
forget their involvement with ECR
1163
00:47:45.295 --> 00:47:47.515
and with the 20 car and everything.
1164
00:47:48.295 --> 00:47:50.875
How cool is it to see a brand new sponsor,
1165
00:47:51.395 --> 00:47:53.835
a consumer facing sponsor come into the sport
1166
00:47:54.335 --> 00:47:57.555
and understand how important activation is, right?
1167
00:47:57.555 --> 00:47:59.235
Yeah. So many brands come into the sport
1168
00:47:59.335 --> 00:48:01.995
and think, oh, let's just slap a sticker on a car
1169
00:48:02.055 --> 00:48:03.635
and hope there's some ROI in it.
1170
00:48:03.635 --> 00:48:06.755
It's like, great. But like you also have to spend money
1171
00:48:06.855 --> 00:48:09.835
to activate, to get people interested in your
1172
00:48:09.835 --> 00:48:11.635
product at the track.
1173
00:48:11.775 --> 00:48:14.395
And they're doing that. Um, I mean
1174
00:48:14.495 --> 00:48:16.475
as good as anyone I've ever seen. So it's pretty awesome.
1175
00:48:16.655 --> 00:48:17.755
We know I'm not a coffee guy,
1176
00:48:17.755 --> 00:48:19.275
but I'm definitely an espresso martini guy,
1177
00:48:19.275 --> 00:48:20.395
so I'm now a loyal customer.
1178
00:48:20.625 --> 00:48:24.155
Alright buddy, well, uh, enjoy weekend off, uh,
1179
00:48:24.935 --> 00:48:27.875
and we'll talk after next weekend, I guess
1180
00:48:27.985 --> 00:48:29.835
Well fun and get some goulash.
1181
00:48:31.075 --> 00:48:33.315
I I will probably avoid goulash at all,
1182
00:48:33.375 --> 00:48:35.515
at all possible opportunities. But
1183
00:48:35.655 --> 00:48:37.035
You don't like beef stew?
1184
00:48:37.755 --> 00:48:39.115
I don't, I don't. My mom used
1185
00:48:39.115 --> 00:48:40.355
to make it and it, I don't know.
1186
00:48:40.475 --> 00:48:41.475
I I'm scarred.
1187
00:48:42.155 --> 00:48:45.075
I didn't like it as a kid, so I'm out pierogi though.
1188
00:48:45.075 --> 00:48:47.115
I'll get some pierogi. Good to go.
1189
00:48:48.705 --> 00:48:50.075
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1190
00:48:50.075 --> 00:48:51.635
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1191
00:48:51.635 --> 00:48:53.955
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1192
00:48:54.375 --> 00:48:55.515
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1193
00:48:55.515 --> 00:48:57.395
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00:49:09.055 --> 00:49:10.515
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