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<v Speaker 1>This is, is off track.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like Tim or James has upped the</v>

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professionalism of this show lately.

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I was singing that with the polo talk. Well, no, no, no, no.

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I've, um, I've noticed what,

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<v Speaker 1>No, what did Tim say</v>
<v Speaker 3>With your polo?</v>

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It looks very professional.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not a polo. Oh, it's a button down first.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>All it said button up. Yeah.</v>
<v Speaker 2>Um,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I thought it only went down two buttons.</v>

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Nevermind.

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<v Speaker 2>Um, yeah, we know Tim,</v>

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you don't know anything about fashion,

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especially based on what you're wearing today.

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<v Speaker 3>Getting in his Dancing</v>

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with the Stars era, taking his shirt off,

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely the Deep V. The Deep</v>

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<v Speaker 2>VI.</v>

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Um,

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<v Speaker 1>How am I, how am I making it more professional</v>

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<v Speaker 2>For the past?</v>

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Probably seven or eight episodes. Okay.

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I've noticed you taking notes, um, oh yeah.

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About like things, things that I say.

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'cause obviously you don't give a, about what Tim says,

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and then you come, you come back to said points later on.

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And I just think that that is, that is very impressive. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, cool.</v>

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All right. Shows. So we're pro this behavior good. .

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, I mean, I'm not gonna do it.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>No, no. I'm not saying you should, but</v>

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<v Speaker 2>No.</v>

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Yeah. Yeah. I just think that it's, it's amazing

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and people, if you don't watch the YouTube version of this

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or you didn't catch the,

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when you did watch the YouTube version of this,

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should have a lot of appreciation for the effort

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and time that James puts into this, considering all

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of his other jobs and duties.

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So that's little a compliment I wanted to give. That's

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.</v>

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Kind of you to say. I also keep a,

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a running note on my phone

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of topics that I think should be covered.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't do that usually on the show.</v>

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I'm just looking at Twitter and Instagram. So

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<v Speaker 1>That's, no, we know , uh, Tim even tried to have,</v>

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have AI fix your eyes.

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So it looked like you were looking at the screen

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and Yeah, it was the most terrifying thing I've ever seen.

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You, Tim was like, so there was this clip

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and Alex was like looking down camera

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<v Speaker 3>Episode clip.</v>

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Yeah. You can watch it, it on all of our social. Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, you actually let that out into the world. Yeah.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>And by, oh,</v>
<v Speaker 1>That's awful. Because</v>

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<v Speaker 3>By way nobody has pointed it out. Okay,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Well go back and watch. Last week,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Clips,</v>
<v Speaker 1>Days.</v>

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No, dude. Yes it is.

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But whatever Tim used it was,

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and this is not a shot of you, Tim. This is like, it was

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<v Speaker 3>Just whatever was in Riverside,</v>

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because the other one, right.

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Without it, it was so blatant.

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Okay, , let me, can I share something

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that bugs me a little bit when I'm editing this?

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I can't wait for this. I have to edit it as a video

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because we put it out on YouTube.

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I'm not gonna edit a video separately from an audio file.

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When we used to just be audio,

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I could just cut silences out without a problem.

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I try as much as I can to cut all the ums and likes

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and coughs that you guys do when you're cutting video.

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You can't cut, you can't cut.

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Um, like, and go back to the same clip

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or there's like a noticeable jump.

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So what I like to do is go from like a single to a double,

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but like, I can almost never go to a double

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because Alex is like this  90% of the time.

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The James, if you are talking,

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Alex is like this the entire time.

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Alex, if you are talking, you're like this half the time .

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<v Speaker 1>So</v>
<v Speaker 3>Like, makes it really &lt;inaudible&gt; hard to edit</v>

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around these cuts.

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<v Speaker 1>Tim, you're ignoring the fact that if you listen</v>

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to this show, you know exactly who and what Alex is

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and no one is gonna be surprised

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or offput by him looking down

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at his phone while we're talking.

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<v Speaker 2>What Alex is, what am I, James?</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry. I bet who Alex is. Oh.</v>

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Who No one will be, be surprised by who. He's Alex Rossi.

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He is, he is a man

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who gives very few s about very few things

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<v Speaker 3>And is very okay with</v>
<v Speaker 1>That.</v>

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And that's, this is the best part about him.

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<v Speaker 3>That's</v>
<v Speaker 1>Anyways</v>

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<v Speaker 3>About him.</v>

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So anyways, I was editing last week's clip

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and I added the clips in Riverside, which is

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where we record, I edit the main episode off of it,

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and there was this little thing, it was like, do you want us

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to make it look like he's maintaining

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I was like, well, that sounds terrifying,

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but yeah, let's give that a shot.

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So that's last week's clip. Let's do it.

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If you look at it, it's, it's all fake.

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Alex is not paying attention. It

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<v Speaker 1>Looks</v>
<v Speaker 2>Creepy attention.</v>

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I just don't necessarily look at you guys for an hour.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry. This is, this is something that,</v>

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I don't know if this is a driver thing

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because we're used to having voices in our heads and I,

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and I mean that in a literal sense of having your pieces in

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and whatever, but like I can,

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I can almost have two separate conver.

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I can listen to a conversation that I'm not a part

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of while having another conversation.

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Or I can be like percent writing a text and totally absorb

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<v Speaker 2>It, makes ease dropping totally awesome and easy.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>So good at it. Um, like not to say, like, I'm,</v>

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I'm not like rude about texting when I'm just

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one-on-one with a person kind of thing.

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But like, I could do, I, I, Becky is floored by it

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and it drives her crazy, whatever.

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because I can do that.

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No problem. It is, yes, you get outed

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because we have video on right now,

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but I don't, uh,

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I think it's a thing I think we're used to doing.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think that helps with your broadcasting now?</v>

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Because don't you like have a producer in your

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I would say I would never be able to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>That one's still hard. That was different.</v>

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Because what makes that hard is when you are talking

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and then someone's in your ear talking to you, right?

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but it's got nothing to do with your mouth.

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while you're focused on something else,

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but they're two very separate things in the

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broadcast with the headset on.

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It's the exact same thing.

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And that throws you off at first, like,

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for sure. But it, it does,

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<v Speaker 2>You have to have, you have to have, you have</v>

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to have one ear open. Right?

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<v Speaker 1>I would have to like, I can't even, I can't even ear</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Do two headphones. Yeah.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>So one ear always will have the broadcast,</v>

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like your microphone and, and Will

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and Townsend's microphone's going.

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or director or whoever.

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But yeah, it's, it is, it is trippy when,

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'cause like sometimes when we're doing like the front

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of the grid stuff at the top of the show,

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or like anything on camera, top of the show,

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it's a different system that we use.

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And those ones, you can't have separate audio.

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So you either have to have one earphone out.

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the warmup shows are the hardest

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because we always put the warmup set like in pit lane

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or right beside the racetrack race cars are loud.

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to hear anything.

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So you put both in.

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to you, all the microphones essentially get lost.

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and there's cars going around, so like,

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and that, and someone's talking to you at the same

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You're like, take that in. Try to lip read what he's saying.

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It's really tough. No way.

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The warmup shows are tough. That that

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<v Speaker 2>Is hard. Yeah. Okay. It it</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Throws you off, huh?</v>

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There you go. It's a little, little lessons

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of the insider info of, of the TV world. How about that?

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<v Speaker 2>So, um, like, uh, what,</v>

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uh, hmm.

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What should we talk about James?

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<v Speaker 1>I wanna talk about the fans in Milwaukee,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>If you listen.</v>

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Okay. Okay, let's, sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>Do that. What were you gonna say? I</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Was gonna say, I hope everyone that Li is listening</v>

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to this show caught this week's Tuesday episode.

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Yes. Um, and if you didn't, you should,

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you should definitely go listen to it afterwards.

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'cause we had, uh, Christian Rasmussen on, um, who has been,

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let's, let's face it, um, the, the top of the headlines

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for the past two weeks for very different reasons, um, .

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Um, but he has been, he has been the guy

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that people are talking about.

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So go listen to that, um,

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because we are gonna talk about Milwaukee and,

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and a lot of what goes, what went into that weekend and,

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and the goods and the bads,

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but, um, probably won't talk too much

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about Christian himself.

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So you should, um, go, go listen to

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that one if you're curious on what he has to say.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, before we get to the Milwaukee fans,</v>

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because that'll lead into the Milwaukee race

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and Milwaukee stuffs, there's just one other major topic

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that we should probably cover as we pretend

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to be a racing podcast from time to time,

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is there was some big news in the Formula one

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world earlier this week.

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If you're listening on Thursday. Yes.

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Cadillac F1 announced their drivers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah,</v>
<v Speaker 1>No big</v>

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surprises. I would say no.

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<v Speaker 2>And, and I think that that's a good thing.</v>

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Um, yes, I would've been,

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there really wasn't any other option in my

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mind that made sense.

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I mean mm-hmm . You look at,

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you look at who's available on the market

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and who they signed is two

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multi-time race winners

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who have very recently been in the best machinery, um,

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on the grid in Red Bull

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and Mercedes have a decade plus

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of experience in Formula One.

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Who else would you sign to a brand new team

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that has never been on the grid before?

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<v Speaker 1>And that's just it, right? So obviously it's,</v>

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it's Sergio Perez and, and Val Trade BOTAs.

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And you look at the last eight years,

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they have been on the either driver and

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or constructor championship winning team for eight

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of the last eight years between Mercedes and Red Bull.

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So the last two teams that dominate the sport,

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they've come from, they've been part of those championships,

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they've won races, um, over 500 grand Prix

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between them experience wise.

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And yeah, when you're building a brand new team from

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scratch, you want to fill every position you can with

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as much experience as you possibly can, right?

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Yes. There's gonna be room for people that are new

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to the sport to come in with new ideas

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and new ways of doing things, for sure.

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But you need to get the basics right

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and the fundamentals right.

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And especially going into next year with a rule set

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that is brand new

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and pretty extreme compared to the last rule sets

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or any real rule set change

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that we've had in F1 in a long time.

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I think having drivers that know what questions

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to ask have been through a development process

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before, all that stuff is still gonna be advantageous

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compared to, to two or even one rookie driver

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and one experienced driver.

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So it's huge. And also, man, just think about this.

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When was the last time you can think

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that there were two drivers available with that kind

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of experience that, you know, there were only a, each

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of them have only been outta the car

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for a year, . Like that's,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, it was, it was perfect timing for,</v>

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for Cadillac to have this happen

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because there was such a big influx of rookies

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that came into the championship for, for this year.

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Mm-hmm . Right? So guys that were hugely experienced

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and talented who weren't at the end

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of their career quite yet.

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But, you know, formula One is a, is a game

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of getting the next youngest 20-year-old, right?

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That's the, the, the next max for Tappin

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or Kimmy Reichen or whatever.

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Um, so they were kind of by the wayside.

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So I mean, it, it worked out perfectly for them, um,

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because obviously, you know, they weren't finished really

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with their career yet in their mind in F1.

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And, and as we said, I mean, I think it's a, it's a win-win

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and a perfect decision for Cadillac

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and it's gonna be nothing.

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But, uh, that is one thing they're not gonna have

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to be concerned about.

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They're, they're, they're gonna have so many fires

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to put out, hopefully not literally,

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and so many problems to solve, right?

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Yeah. With starting a team from scratch with a brand new car

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and, and all these sort of things, they're not gonna have

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to worry about getting drivers at the speed.

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They're not gonna have to worry about explaining to drivers,

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you know, how this needs to happen and this needs to work.

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Or, you know, working

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and developing a young driver in their mindset

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and their approach and their philosophy.

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Like that's just, those guys are plug and play.

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Let's focus on everything else, right?

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<v Speaker 1>The pressure formula one, the, the commitments required,</v>

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media sponsor, all that stuff.

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You're not getting anybody up to speed, right?

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You talk to the Ollie Berryman's

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or the, you know, the head jars, the BTOs of the world,

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Antonelli are doing this for the first time.

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Anton Antonelli being like, the jump from F two to F1 is

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so monumental on the track

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and it's even bigger off the track.

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And so I think it's such a great point is you don't have

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to worry about getting anybody up to speed.

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You don't have to worry about, you

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know, you know how these two work.

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There are 10,000 data points on them,

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you know exactly what you're getting.

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They've taken very different approaches to their

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sabbatical years, right?

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In that Valerie signed on as a reserve driver for Mercedes.

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He's been at every race, he's doing all this stuff.

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Checo went home, he's hanging with his family

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training on his own recharging.

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And look, man, I was the first guy

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to look at the host decision to bring Holgenburg back

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after three years outta the car, right?

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He did a couple super sub

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appearances, which were very impressive.

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But it's like, where's the motivation for a guy

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that's been gone for three years?

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He's done two races in three years and performed well.

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But, and he's come back

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and not only did an an incredible job with Haass,

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he's now been signed onto a factory program.

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Audi, like his career got a complete second wind.

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So anybody that's like, oh, well Checko,

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you know, he was, he took off.

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He wasn't at the racetrack, he was minding his own business.

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He wasn't sure if he wanted to come back.

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It's like, it's not how it works, man.

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Some drivers struggle

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to be at the racetrack if they're not racing.

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'cause they're real racers and

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they don't like just being there.

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And that's not, that's not knocking re's approach at all.

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It kept him front and center every weekend.

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He was asked about if he wanted to come back

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and the answer was always yes.

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And it was never a doubt.

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He's getting inside information on

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what Mercedes is doing in 2026.

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So you've, you've really just got everything.

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And in, if you look at their careers, right, you've got,

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this is gonna maybe sound a bit harsh,

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but like, you've got Valry who was probably more known

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as a Saturday guy than a Sunday guy, right?

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Like his performances against Lewis when they were still

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<v Speaker 2>Won a lot of races,</v>
<v Speaker 1>For sure, for sure.</v>

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But like against Lewis, he was half a 10th plus

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or minus most qualifying sessions on his day in

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a race he could beat 'em.

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But often in the race, that's

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where Lewis had the bigger advantage.

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I guess. Again, you're comparing against

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like one of the best to ever do it.

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So maybe that's not a totally fair assessment

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to call him a Saturday guy,

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but he was exceptional on Saturdays.

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And then Checko almost conversely right,

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was usually not qualifying as close to Max

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or some teammates, but his race pace was always

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what he was really known for, right?

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His tire management,

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which is obviously a huge part of, of F1 right now.

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So you've got a guy that, you know,

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overlap is as good as anybody.

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You've got a guy that over a stint, you know,

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can take care of the car as well as anybody.

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Look, you've got all these elements into,

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into the pool now, so it's very cool,

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it's very exciting for them.

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Um, America's F1 team has arrived and, uh, so,

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<v Speaker 2>So let's, I'm glad, I'm glad you just said that.</v>

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Is there, I I'm, I'm fully on board with their decision.

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I think they made the correct decision.

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This is not, this is not a question of that.

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Where, where does this fall in the category of

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America's team if there's not an American driver, right?

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Like that's, that's always been this topic

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of conversation, right?

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There was a lot of resentment against Haass from the

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American fan base for never having an American driver.

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Haass wasn't really, Cadillac is gonna be much more America

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facing than Hoss ever was. It'll lean

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<v Speaker 1>Into</v>
<v Speaker 2>It.</v>

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Yeah. You know, there, it's Cadillac number one.

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Number two, they have, they're gonna have manufacturing

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and buildings not only in Indiana as we know,

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but also with GM in, in Michigan with GM and in Charlotte.

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So there's a lot more American base base stuff happening,

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but there's still not American drivers.

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Does that matter?

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm gonna say no and here's why.</v>

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Who drives for Ferrari,

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<v Speaker 2>Char and</v>
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Nope.  Lewis .

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.</v>
<v Speaker 1>Yes. A brick. That one Alex,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Right?</v>

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Yes, yes. My bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And that is like,</v>

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that's Italy's national team, right?

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So it can be an Italian team,

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they don't have to have an Italian driver.

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This is, at the end of the day, we're going racing

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and you have to have the best drivers,

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the highest performing drivers in the car.

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Sure. I think that as a team, the fact

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that they're prioritizing speed over performance over

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nationality is huge.

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Is very important. Like, that's, that's a great thing.

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I think where the, the emphasis now has to lie for them

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among the a hundred thousand other things they have

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to do is really start a driver development program that is

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geared more towards American talent.

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Hmm. And I, and I think that's, that's something

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that they're looking at doing.

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And you know, you've obviously got,

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there's all the rumors about Colton Herda,

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then you've got Kyle Kirkwood,

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who's now won a bunch of races this year.

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Um, there's already an association with the Weldon Boys

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who are doing very well in the junior categories

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and might age up kind of well to end up in a,

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in a position there, you've got Jack Crawford who's running

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in F two competitively at the minute, who's an American.

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So I, it's very much on the cards I think for them.

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But I'm very happy that they didn't force the issue

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because they wanted to be able to say that. I,

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<v Speaker 2>Again, I, I agree</v>

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and I think people should, should have a little bit of,

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of understanding of that in the sense that you're,

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that the comparison to Ferrari is absolutely right.

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And, and this being a US effort isn't about the drivers,

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it's about the fact that it is America.

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It is an American brand with

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American manufacturing going into

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the number one manufacturer championship in motor sports.

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So I think that's the big takeaway.

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The last thing I wanna talk about on this topic

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is, is Colton, right?

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You know, for, for so long, you know,

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obviously we know the connection that Colton has

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to Dan Towers, um, obviously has to,

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the Andretti global organization, um, has been linked to

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some version of this team for, for several years now.

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Um, and you know, there was a,

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there was a crossroads in his career where he,

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he had an opportunity to go to F1 that was, that was stifled

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by the FIA and the super license restriction and,

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and all this stuff that we've, we've talked, um,

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about quite a bit as each year goes by

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Colton's getting older and older.

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Do you think that for him, and,

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and I don't want you to put words in his mouth,

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I we could have him on the show and talk about it,

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but do you think for him, this is a, a,

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when this announcement came, it was kind of like, man,

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that this was my opportunity

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and I've got a great career in IndyCar.

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Maybe I don't care about it anymore.

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Do you think that that's, that's kind of where he is at?

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Like, I don't know. That's,

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<v Speaker 1>It's such an interesting question. Let's say,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Colin, let's just, let's just</v>

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put yourself in in his shoes.

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<v Speaker 1>Right? Right. Well, okay, look, I mean, you could,</v>

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you could use it with the rumors

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that started circulating this,

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this past weekend about Alex Palolo being in the running

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for the second Red Bull seat.

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Right? So you've got an example where you've got two drivers

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that are doing very well

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and have great careers on the IndyCar side of things,

489
00:19:00.515 --> 00:19:03.575
and they're not 21 years old anymore.

490
00:19:03.745 --> 00:19:08.095
Right? Is it a situation where you want to leave something

491
00:19:08.095 --> 00:19:10.735
that you know, that you're competitive at,

492
00:19:10.765 --> 00:19:14.015
that you're having a great time doing, making a good living,

493
00:19:14.515 --> 00:19:15.735
and go roll that dice

494
00:19:15.735 --> 00:19:18.015
and risk that, you know, risk losing that opportunity

495
00:19:18.155 --> 00:19:19.575
and going over there and it being a disaster?

496
00:19:19.575 --> 00:19:23.815
Because again, you have to acknowledge that the track record

497
00:19:23.995 --> 00:19:26.535
of drivers going that way isn't awesome.

498
00:19:26.795 --> 00:19:28.895
It hasn't provided a ton of success.

499
00:19:29.315 --> 00:19:32.375
It has had some, but there's more misses than hits.

500
00:19:33.075 --> 00:19:35.335
So if you're in that position Yeah.

501
00:19:35.335 --> 00:19:36.775
Like, are, do you wanna roll that dice?

502
00:19:37.595 --> 00:19:39.295
Do you, are you confident enough that

503
00:19:40.275 --> 00:19:42.215
if things don't go well over there,

504
00:19:42.635 --> 00:19:44.895
you've always got a home back in IndyCar?

505
00:19:45.465 --> 00:19:48.935
Maybe. But if it, if that's a two, three year experiment

506
00:19:49.115 --> 00:19:50.895
and in that two or three years, you know,

507
00:19:50.895 --> 00:19:52.935
the field in IndyCar gets super deep

508
00:19:52.995 --> 00:19:54.615
and there's no weak links

509
00:19:54.615 --> 00:19:57.095
and there's no obvious good seeds for you to come back to

510
00:19:57.155 --> 00:19:58.575
and you're kind of on the outside looking

511
00:19:58.595 --> 00:19:59.695
in, do you regret it?

512
00:20:00.195 --> 00:20:04.055
So it's a, it's a tough, tough situation to be in

513
00:20:04.475 --> 00:20:05.495
for. Do

514
00:20:05.495 --> 00:20:07.215
<v Speaker 2>You think, do you think</v>

515
00:20:07.245 --> 00:20:10.895
that had Colton had a different year this year, do you think

516
00:20:11.735 --> 00:20:13.255
Cadillac would've taken a different approach

517
00:20:13.255 --> 00:20:15.215
that we just talked about with the, the V

518
00:20:15.395 --> 00:20:17.655
and the Sergio situation

519
00:20:17.715 --> 00:20:20.175
and plugged in a, a young American driver

520
00:20:20.955 --> 00:20:22.175
and an experienced driver?

521
00:20:22.395 --> 00:20:24.055
Or do you think it still would've ended up being

522
00:20:24.565 --> 00:20:25.655
this what we got?

523
00:20:26.255 --> 00:20:29.335
<v Speaker 1>I, I would hope not for all the reasons that we said,</v>

524
00:20:29.365 --> 00:20:30.455
it's great they've got the two.

525
00:20:30.455 --> 00:20:31.655
They have. Yeah. Right. Great.

526
00:20:31.685 --> 00:20:36.135
Like it would've been, I think it would've been a slam dunk

527
00:20:36.235 --> 00:20:38.095
to say like, he's the reserve driver

528
00:20:39.155 --> 00:20:41.895
and you know, any, like, once the IndyCar seasons,

529
00:20:41.895 --> 00:20:43.775
because obviously you're gonna need, if you had him,

530
00:20:43.775 --> 00:20:45.015
you'd need a second reserve driver.

531
00:20:45.255 --> 00:20:46.975
'cause there's quite a few conflicts in the summer,

532
00:20:47.425 --> 00:20:50.085
but there's eight or 10 races that don't conflict.

533
00:20:50.425 --> 00:20:52.005
And he could be doing sim work

534
00:20:52.005 --> 00:20:53.285
and he could be, you know, doing,

535
00:20:53.635 --> 00:20:55.365
they don't have TPC testing obviously,

536
00:20:55.385 --> 00:20:58.445
but, um, he could be doing fp ones

537
00:20:58.625 --> 00:21:00.245
and he could be getting some experience

538
00:21:00.265 --> 00:21:02.565
to eventually be in the car if that was, if

539
00:21:02.565 --> 00:21:04.565
that was the trajectory they wanted to take him on.

540
00:21:04.905 --> 00:21:07.765
But I still think it's advantageous to have that

541
00:21:08.275 --> 00:21:10.605
over 500 grand Prix worth of experience

542
00:21:11.345 --> 00:21:14.125
as they get off the ground with a new reg set,

543
00:21:14.195 --> 00:21:16.045
with a new team, with everything and, and

544
00:21:16.045 --> 00:21:17.045
<v Speaker 2>Everything.</v>

545
00:21:17.045 --> 00:21:18.405
So it's a rarity. I dunno, but I couldn't, I couldn't agree

546
00:21:18.405 --> 00:21:19.405
more.
<v Speaker 1>. .</v>

547
00:21:20.355 --> 00:21:23.165
Yeah. That's like four different things in a row on this

548
00:21:23.165 --> 00:21:25.405
episode that we've been like totally aligned on,

549
00:21:25.825 --> 00:21:26.365
<v Speaker 2>Huh? Yeah.</v>

550
00:21:27.025 --> 00:21:29.685
<v Speaker 1>Huh. And I don't think we're gonna disagree. Time. Time.</v>

551
00:21:30.025 --> 00:21:31.365
How Awesome. Changing. Well, I was gonna say,

552
00:21:31.365 --> 00:21:32.405
I don't think we're gonna disagree on

553
00:21:32.405 --> 00:21:34.965
how awesome Milwaukee was. So dude,

554
00:21:35.305 --> 00:21:37.405
<v Speaker 3>We could bring up Red Vines and Twizzlerss again.</v>

555
00:21:37.925 --> 00:21:41.285
<v Speaker 2>I am so happy we go back to Milwaukee</v>

556
00:21:41.385 --> 00:21:42.965
or we're we raced at Milwaukee.

557
00:21:43.075 --> 00:21:47.925
What an Yes. Unbelievable racetrack events, fan base

558
00:21:48.555 --> 00:21:49.685
city, all of it.

559
00:21:49.795 --> 00:21:51.955
Like 10 outta 10 no

560
00:21:51.955 --> 00:21:52.955
<v Speaker 1>Notes, guys.</v>

561
00:21:53.345 --> 00:21:55.315
It's, it makes me so happy.

562
00:21:55.545 --> 00:21:58.595
Like, we were the biggest curmudgeons on this show

563
00:21:59.105 --> 00:22:01.395
when it was announced that we were going back to Milwaukee

564
00:22:01.775 --> 00:22:03.995
and it was all, we've tried this before

565
00:22:04.295 --> 00:22:06.875
and everybody was excited to go and nobody showed up

566
00:22:06.895 --> 00:22:08.635
and screw you guys and blah, blah, blah.

567
00:22:09.175 --> 00:22:12.235
And then last year you, you showed up

568
00:22:12.695 --> 00:22:15.155
and you proved us wrong and that was phenomenal.

569
00:22:15.375 --> 00:22:17.475
And then this year you brought friends

570
00:22:18.735 --> 00:22:20.355
and even more people were there

571
00:22:20.855 --> 00:22:23.115
and we sold out like GA tickets.

572
00:22:23.555 --> 00:22:25.155
I don't think we sold out a beer this year.

573
00:22:25.155 --> 00:22:26.755
They prepared for that, which was great.

574
00:22:27.125 --> 00:22:29.235
<v Speaker 2>Thank goodness. That's a big improvement. Yeah.</v>

575
00:22:29.625 --> 00:22:31.395
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I mean, it is. It is.</v>

576
00:22:31.395 --> 00:22:33.275
Wisconsin, Wisconsin knows how

577
00:22:33.275 --> 00:22:34.395
to drink and that's why I respect it.

578
00:22:34.425 --> 00:22:36.555
Yeah. Fan base. I keep holding these up. Amazing.

579
00:22:37.135 --> 00:22:39.035
So many people showed up, so many fans

580
00:22:39.035 --> 00:22:40.195
of the show, which was amazing.

581
00:22:40.535 --> 00:22:43.515
And guys, it still blows me away every time, every weekend,

582
00:22:44.345 --> 00:22:46.605
the, the disparity in our fan base.

583
00:22:47.445 --> 00:22:50.185
It could not be bigger, it could not be bigger.

584
00:22:50.405 --> 00:22:52.505
It is the broadest demographic of people

585
00:22:52.645 --> 00:22:53.665
and it makes me so happy.

586
00:22:54.325 --> 00:22:57.925
Um, yeah. But it's funny, like you sometimes ,

587
00:22:59.525 --> 00:23:01.165
I dunno how to say this without it sounding bad,

588
00:23:01.425 --> 00:23:05.445
but I sometimes have people come up to me that are like,

589
00:23:06.035 --> 00:23:08.145
there, you know, they're, they're elderly.

590
00:23:08.465 --> 00:23:10.505
I don't know if there's a nicer way to say that,

591
00:23:10.525 --> 00:23:12.585
but like, they're, you know, and,

592
00:23:13.325 --> 00:23:16.625
and I sometimes sit, I'm like, man, some

593
00:23:16.625 --> 00:23:18.025
of the things we say on this show,

594
00:23:18.185 --> 00:23:20.625
I feel like I shouldn't be saying that in front

595
00:23:20.645 --> 00:23:23.745
of certain demographics, but they listen

596
00:23:23.845 --> 00:23:24.945
and they're sunlight.

597
00:23:25.295 --> 00:23:26.905
Like that's a topic that, you know,

598
00:23:26.965 --> 00:23:28.665
you wouldn't expect a certain area

599
00:23:28.665 --> 00:23:30.905
of our fan base to be totally into. But I don't know.

600
00:23:31.845 --> 00:23:33.265
<v Speaker 2>Listen, it's amazing. Um,</v>

601
00:23:33.705 --> 00:23:36.305
<v Speaker 3>I think the main takeaway from this is James can't do an</v>

602
00:23:36.305 --> 00:23:38.385
impression of himself and he

603
00:23:38.695 --> 00:23:40.105
doesn't have respect for the elderly.

604
00:23:40.235 --> 00:23:41.505
Those are my two takeaways.

605
00:23:41.555 --> 00:23:42.945
<v Speaker 1>Where, where did the first one come from?</v>

606
00:23:43.445 --> 00:23:45.240
<v Speaker 3>Oh, you, you were like an impression of Oh,</v>

607
00:23:45.240 --> 00:23:46.120
we were curing, we were like, oh,

608
00:23:46.120 --> 00:23:47.120
people aren't gonna show up.

609
00:23:47.145 --> 00:23:48.125
You were doing an impression of

610
00:23:48.245 --> 00:23:49.165
yourself, didn't sound anything.

611
00:23:49.165 --> 00:23:50.885
Like you got it right and you hate

612
00:23:51.145 --> 00:23:53.165
and James hates old people, which is ironic

613
00:23:53.895 --> 00:23:56.005
given his advanced age, how

614
00:23:56.145 --> 00:23:57.145
<v Speaker 2>Old I am.</v>

615
00:23:57.145 --> 00:23:58.965
That was a, that was a stretch, Tim. Uh, nice try.

616
00:24:02.765 --> 00:24:04.965
Speaking of listeners on the show,

617
00:24:05.745 --> 00:24:08.405
<v Speaker 3>Yes,</v>
<v Speaker 2>I had, I had a very special,</v>

618
00:24:08.845 --> 00:24:13.205
I had a very special kind of situation present itself

619
00:24:13.545 --> 00:24:14.965
to me on Sunday.

620
00:24:16.145 --> 00:24:20.605
So I got a, I got a, a dm, which is a direct message

621
00:24:20.625 --> 00:24:23.685
for the elderly , um, on Instagram .

622
00:24:26.025 --> 00:24:28.845
<v Speaker 3>Oh no. Are there any other demographics of our fans?</v>

623
00:24:28.865 --> 00:24:33.405
We can insult . Are we just trying out

624
00:24:33.635 --> 00:24:36.845
serious, gimme a better word. Like what, what

625
00:24:36.845 --> 00:24:37.845
<v Speaker 2>Am I supposed to say?</v>

626
00:24:37.895 --> 00:24:38.925
Experience nothing

627
00:24:40.235 --> 00:24:42.205
<v Speaker 3>Long term Race fans. Mm.</v>

628
00:24:43.025 --> 00:24:46.165
<v Speaker 2>No. Anyways, I got a dm, um, Ray</v>

629
00:24:46.555 --> 00:24:49.765
<v Speaker 3>HARs buddies</v>
<v Speaker 2>From someone that I didn't know,</v>

630
00:24:50.385 --> 00:24:54.565
and I opened it and it was this gentleman explaining, um,

631
00:24:54.835 --> 00:24:58.005
that his girlfriend was, was a, was a big fan,

632
00:24:58.345 --> 00:24:59.685
um, of the show.

633
00:24:59.785 --> 00:25:02.525
And, and had watched me since I had kind

634
00:25:02.525 --> 00:25:04.685
of come over from Europe and all this sort of thing.

635
00:25:04.705 --> 00:25:06.125
And they were gonna be in Milwaukee

636
00:25:07.305 --> 00:25:11.605
and he had a plan to propose to her.

637
00:25:12.225 --> 00:25:14.765
Um, and he wanted to know if there was anything

638
00:25:14.995 --> 00:25:16.325
that I could do

639
00:25:16.585 --> 00:25:19.525
or any time that I had to kind of be involved.

640
00:25:21.025 --> 00:25:23.085
And I was like, immediately, yes.

641
00:25:23.505 --> 00:25:25.925
Um, that what, what an honor that is.

642
00:25:26.225 --> 00:25:31.045
Uh, so I, I put him in, in touch with, um, Brie, uh,

643
00:25:31.095 --> 00:25:34.365
who's the, the head of comms for ECR and,

644
00:25:34.365 --> 00:25:36.445
and kind of manages all of our schedules and stuff.

645
00:25:36.665 --> 00:25:39.165
And they, this, this gentleman

646
00:25:39.165 --> 00:25:41.885
and Brie formulated a plan, uh, for

647
00:25:42.895 --> 00:25:44.155
the grid before the race.

648
00:25:44.935 --> 00:25:48.275
And essentially ECR was gonna reach out to him, um,

649
00:25:48.415 --> 00:25:49.835
on social media and be like, Hey,

650
00:25:49.835 --> 00:25:51.075
you wanna, you want a contest?

651
00:25:51.975 --> 00:25:54.115
Um, and we randomly selected a winner

652
00:25:54.295 --> 00:25:56.795
and your prize is kind of two race modes

653
00:25:57.295 --> 00:26:00.595
or a race mode, two race modes, you and, and a guest.

654
00:26:00.895 --> 00:26:04.195
Um, and you can come meet Alex, uh, before the race

655
00:26:04.215 --> 00:26:05.755
and get a picture and sign some autographs

656
00:26:05.755 --> 00:26:07.035
and ask some questions and that sort of thing.

657
00:26:07.815 --> 00:26:09.875
And so we, we did drive our intros

658
00:26:10.495 --> 00:26:15.435
and I walk up to the car and, um, they're there.

659
00:26:16.175 --> 00:26:19.235
And, uh, and I meet, I meet his girlfriend and,

660
00:26:19.295 --> 00:26:20.675
and talk to her for a few minutes.

661
00:26:21.095 --> 00:26:24.515
And, and she's just super pumped about being at the track

662
00:26:24.515 --> 00:26:25.595
and, and being in Milwaukee.

663
00:26:25.735 --> 00:26:27.115
And so I'm like, all right, let's get a picture.

664
00:26:27.215 --> 00:26:30.675
And then the plan was I was gonna sign a hero card to her

665
00:26:30.895 --> 00:26:31.915
and ride on there.

666
00:26:32.335 --> 00:26:35.315
So it was to Deanne, you should say Yes.

667
00:26:36.055 --> 00:26:38.035
And so I, I handed it to her

668
00:26:38.295 --> 00:26:39.635
and it was the most perfect timing

669
00:26:39.635 --> 00:26:41.155
because she kinda looked at it

670
00:26:42.025 --> 00:26:45.285
and was a little bit confused trying to understand like

671
00:26:45.435 --> 00:26:47.885
what I wrote and, and what she was reading.

672
00:26:48.265 --> 00:26:51.725
And by the time that she looked up, he was on his knee,

673
00:26:52.025 --> 00:26:53.125
uh, with a ring out.

674
00:26:53.265 --> 00:26:54.765
And so she said yes.

675
00:26:54.825 --> 00:26:56.965
And, and it was, it was just a really cool thing to,

676
00:26:56.985 --> 00:26:58.805
to be a part of before, before race.

677
00:26:58.825 --> 00:27:01.805
So, yeah. Amazing. I love that. Yeah.

678
00:27:02.155 --> 00:27:06.965
<v Speaker 1>Love, love you love, love happening at the racetrack. What</v>

679
00:27:06.965 --> 00:27:08.085
<v Speaker 2>A call, Sam, she said Yes</v>

680
00:27:08.085 --> 00:27:09.005
though, because that would've been, could you

681
00:27:09.005 --> 00:27:10.885
imagine? Mm. Tough.

682
00:27:11.515 --> 00:27:13.685
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. 'cause I mean, you gotta remember, there's, there's,</v>

683
00:27:13.875 --> 00:27:15.965
there's three outcomes to that question.

684
00:27:17.095 --> 00:27:19.035
<v Speaker 2>Yes. Maybe</v>
<v Speaker 1>There's no,</v>

685
00:27:19.135 --> 00:27:20.675
and there's, I gotta think about it. ,

686
00:27:21.075 --> 00:27:25.555
right? See, could have been, could have gone two outta three

687
00:27:25.555 --> 00:27:27.035
of those are not the answer you want.

688
00:27:27.035 --> 00:27:28.115
Very, when you're on the grid.

689
00:27:28.115 --> 00:27:30.595
<v Speaker 2>Very public setting as well.</v>
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. It's always a risk.</v>

690
00:27:30.595 --> 00:27:32.115
Always. At least it wasn't like on

691
00:27:32.115 --> 00:27:33.235
a jumbo Toronto or anything.

692
00:27:33.235 --> 00:27:34.675
We didn't, we didn't have it on the broadcast.

693
00:27:34.705 --> 00:27:37.435
That could have been potentially not great,

694
00:27:37.575 --> 00:27:41.515
but it turned out to be like a good luck sign for you guys.

695
00:27:41.995 --> 00:27:44.515
'cause you ended up having a pretty good race. Alex.

696
00:27:44.815 --> 00:27:46.475
So why don't you walk us through your

697
00:27:46.475 --> 00:27:47.475
<v Speaker 2>Weekend.</v>

698
00:27:47.475 --> 00:27:48.435
I don't want to take too much time

699
00:27:48.795 --> 00:27:50.955
'cause we don't have that much time left talking

700
00:27:50.955 --> 00:27:52.035
about me per se.

701
00:27:52.135 --> 00:27:56.115
But, uh, we, we went into the weekend with,

702
00:27:56.185 --> 00:27:57.835
with a bit of a new philosophy.

703
00:27:58.135 --> 00:28:02.275
Um, Milwaukee was not a good, uh, track

704
00:28:02.575 --> 00:28:05.275
for the team last year. , um,

705
00:28:05.795 --> 00:28:07.435
<v Speaker 1>I, I just, sorry, I just wanna jump in.</v>

706
00:28:07.535 --> 00:28:10.675
And this is how, you know, we're recording earlier in the,

707
00:28:10.675 --> 00:28:12.835
in the day and that Tim's not on his a game

708
00:28:13.185 --> 00:28:17.635
because when Alex says something like, we went in

709
00:28:17.635 --> 00:28:20.195
with a new philosophy, the fact that I was just,

710
00:28:20.275 --> 00:28:22.955
I literally held my breath waiting for Tim to chirp in with

711
00:28:23.145 --> 00:28:24.395
what are you trying to do better?

712
00:28:24.455 --> 00:28:26.715
You trying to finish higher? You trying to drive faster.

713
00:28:27.105 --> 00:28:28.715
Like one of those types of jokes.

714
00:28:28.975 --> 00:28:31.155
And you just sat there with a thousand starry. Yeah.

715
00:28:31.155 --> 00:28:34.115
A thousand yard gaze and nothing. I got

716
00:28:34.115 --> 00:28:35.035
<v Speaker 3>Nothing. I don't know.</v>

717
00:28:35.225 --> 00:28:37.955
<v Speaker 1>It's okay. Sorry, Alex didn't mean to a call call. Can't</v>

718
00:28:37.955 --> 00:28:39.755
<v Speaker 3>Think of, can't a good qui for that. I'm really tired.</v>

719
00:28:39.825 --> 00:28:41.635
Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>, you got nothing? All right.</v>

720
00:28:41.815 --> 00:28:44.475
<v Speaker 2>All right. Oh, oh, did, did you have a big day yesterday?</v>

721
00:28:45.935 --> 00:28:48.775
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's still, 5 45 is an early time</v>

722
00:28:48.775 --> 00:28:51.695
to get up anyway, and then to immediately get on camera

723
00:28:52.195 --> 00:28:53.775
for two episodes in a row.

724
00:28:54.165 --> 00:28:58.215
<v Speaker 2>Anyways, we went in with a new philosophical</v>

725
00:28:58.775 --> 00:29:00.135
approach from our good friend

726
00:29:00.415 --> 00:29:01.735
Socrates. No, I don't know. Was

727
00:29:01.735 --> 00:29:02.735
<v Speaker 3>It to try to win?</v>

728
00:29:03.515 --> 00:29:05.695
<v Speaker 1>You can't see it</v>
<v Speaker 2>Now. It was, I'm, I'm trying.</v>

729
00:29:05.795 --> 00:29:09.295
It was, it was Tim and and me. Did it work? .

730
00:29:09.975 --> 00:29:14.175
So, so I mean, you can make, have you guys

731
00:29:14.535 --> 00:29:16.095
<v Speaker 3>Considered just doing that? Every race?</v>

732
00:29:16.985 --> 00:29:19.015
<v Speaker 1>There you are now are, thank you. Yeah,</v>

733
00:29:19.555 --> 00:29:21.375
<v Speaker 2>We are now. So anyways,</v>

734
00:29:22.115 --> 00:29:23.255
<v Speaker 3>I'm going back to my crossword puzzle.</v>

735
00:29:24.335 --> 00:29:26.535
<v Speaker 2>A very Oh, you thing. I don't pay attention.</v>

736
00:29:26.895 --> 00:29:28.855
A very poor track for the team last year, year.

737
00:29:28.955 --> 00:29:31.455
<v Speaker 1>The only person who pays attention to this show.</v>

738
00:29:33.285 --> 00:29:36.415
<v Speaker 2>Well, you and the old people</v>
<v Speaker 1>the elderly</v>

739
00:29:38.875 --> 00:29:40.815
<v Speaker 2>So</v>
<v Speaker 1>Well experienced.</v>

740
00:29:41.045 --> 00:29:43.965
We, we, we prefer to be called the elderly .

741
00:29:47.435 --> 00:29:49.965
That was like your word. I didn't think I could use it.

742
00:29:54.875 --> 00:29:55.095
any

743
00:29:55.605 --> 00:29:56.605
<v Speaker 2>Ways.</v>

744
00:29:56.835 --> 00:30:00.135
<v Speaker 1>So James, how you doing? ? You're the worst.</v>

745
00:30:01.875 --> 00:30:03.255
The the worst.

746
00:30:07.485 --> 00:30:09.055
<v Speaker 2>Like, do you want me to talk about</v>

747
00:30:09.055 --> 00:30:10.055
<v Speaker 1>It?</v>

748
00:30:10.055 --> 00:30:11.455
Yeah, I do. Sure.

749
00:30:11.575 --> 00:30:13.575
<v Speaker 2>I mean, at this point sure.</v>
<v Speaker 1>It's this point.</v>

750
00:30:14.725 --> 00:30:17.015
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we tried something new and it worked anyways.</v>

751
00:30:18.165 --> 00:30:19.415
, that was our weekend.

752
00:30:26.245 --> 00:30:31.085
<v Speaker 1>I go back to bed. Oh, no  so close pal. So close.</v>

753
00:30:31.905 --> 00:30:33.325
No. Okay, so you tried a new approach

754
00:30:33.545 --> 00:30:35.285
and you guys qualified well

755
00:30:35.785 --> 00:30:38.165
and you were confident after practice.

756
00:30:39.505 --> 00:30:41.485
And then you went to the race. And the race was interesting

757
00:30:41.485 --> 00:30:44.015
because you did that.

758
00:30:44.015 --> 00:30:46.135
We did a low line practice, right? Mm.

759
00:30:46.355 --> 00:30:49.095
But even in last practice, we were worried.

760
00:30:49.115 --> 00:30:50.215
And even the first part of the race,

761
00:30:50.875 --> 00:30:52.775
it didn't look like the low line was working as well

762
00:30:52.775 --> 00:30:54.735
as maybe we even saw it last year. No,

763
00:30:54.735 --> 00:30:55.735
<v Speaker 2>I, I I agree with that.</v>

764
00:30:55.895 --> 00:30:57.815
I don't, I don't really know why.

765
00:30:58.275 --> 00:31:01.295
Um, I, I think again, you know, there's,

766
00:31:01.295 --> 00:31:02.495
there's a little bit of,

767
00:31:03.565 --> 00:31:06.015
last year was the first time we were

768
00:31:06.015 --> 00:31:07.135
seeing this place in a decade.

769
00:31:07.515 --> 00:31:08.695
Yes, there was a test there,

770
00:31:08.915 --> 00:31:11.575
but ultimately people weren't super dialed in.

771
00:31:11.755 --> 00:31:14.095
So race one was, was very chaotic and,

772
00:31:14.095 --> 00:31:16.135
and the low line was, was ripping and,

773
00:31:16.315 --> 00:31:19.095
and you could kind of drive anywhere and, and make it work.

774
00:31:20.045 --> 00:31:24.175
Race two, the low line was a little bit less good,

775
00:31:24.835 --> 00:31:26.935
uh, last year than it was in race one.

776
00:31:27.155 --> 00:31:30.055
And it was, it was different conditions as well.

777
00:31:30.055 --> 00:31:32.175
So we thought maybe conditions were something to do with it.

778
00:31:32.275 --> 00:31:35.455
But after this year, I think it's pretty clear that just as,

779
00:31:35.835 --> 00:31:37.935
as everyone's cars get a little bit better

780
00:31:38.115 --> 00:31:41.215
and people are able to manage the deg a little bit more, um,

781
00:31:41.715 --> 00:31:45.215
you gotta be quite off pace in the, in the preferred line,

782
00:31:45.215 --> 00:31:47.655
which is lane two to, to make the low line work.

783
00:31:48.635 --> 00:31:50.775
It was still usable, it was still effective.

784
00:31:51.035 --> 00:31:53.335
It, it still allowed you to get by cars,

785
00:31:53.435 --> 00:31:57.055
but it wasn't as much of a guarantee as it was, uh,

786
00:31:57.235 --> 00:31:58.295
in race one last year.

787
00:31:58.515 --> 00:32:02.335
So what that meant was the race was still awesome, um,

788
00:32:02.335 --> 00:32:03.975
because there was tire dig and,

789
00:32:03.975 --> 00:32:07.055
and there was still a huge advantage, um, from,

790
00:32:07.055 --> 00:32:09.935
from being on, on new tires versus even like 10

791
00:32:09.955 --> 00:32:11.335
or 15 lap old tires.

792
00:32:12.235 --> 00:32:15.455
So as we know, especially on, on short ovals, that makes

793
00:32:15.475 --> 00:32:16.815
for, for great IndyCar racing.

794
00:32:17.875 --> 00:32:21.975
And there was a enough yellow, so there was enough restarts.

795
00:32:22.235 --> 00:32:24.095
Um, and, and there was enough kind

796
00:32:24.095 --> 00:32:26.015
of variance in, in strategy.

797
00:32:26.155 --> 00:32:29.655
And the undercut, uh, was super powerful and effective.

798
00:32:29.775 --> 00:32:32.375
Kind of like we used to see at, at Old Iowa.

799
00:32:33.115 --> 00:32:35.495
Um, you know, if you're willing to take the risk of,

800
00:32:35.515 --> 00:32:36.775
of being caught out by a yellow,

801
00:32:37.315 --> 00:32:39.565
you can make up a huge amount of track time, um,

802
00:32:39.595 --> 00:32:42.085
with fresh tires as other people were kind

803
00:32:42.085 --> 00:32:43.405
of struggling at the end of the stint.

804
00:32:43.715 --> 00:32:47.605
That was something that on the 20 car, um, we had a plan to,

805
00:32:47.625 --> 00:32:48.885
to at least do in the beginning.

806
00:32:49.605 --> 00:32:51.405
'cause we felt we qualified a little bit out

807
00:32:51.405 --> 00:32:52.805
of position in, in 12th.

808
00:32:53.145 --> 00:32:54.325
Um, you know, we thought we were,

809
00:32:54.505 --> 00:32:55.805
uh, uh, a better than that.

810
00:32:55.825 --> 00:32:59.165
So we were planning on the first stop to kind

811
00:32:59.165 --> 00:33:03.005
of come in early, take that risk, find clean air, and, and,

812
00:33:03.025 --> 00:33:05.445
and, and use the undercut to our advantage, knowing that

813
00:33:06.305 --> 00:33:09.645
we also felt that we had pretty good stint pace, um, so

814
00:33:09.645 --> 00:33:11.405
that if we had to go a bit longer on the second

815
00:33:11.405 --> 00:33:13.765
or third stint, like we felt that we could manage as,

816
00:33:13.785 --> 00:33:15.405
as long as we were able to get track position.

817
00:33:15.625 --> 00:33:16.925
Um, so that's what we did.

818
00:33:16.985 --> 00:33:18.525
And, and it worked really well, uh,

819
00:33:18.745 --> 00:33:21.245
on the first pit exchange.

820
00:33:21.385 --> 00:33:26.125
The first cycle. We went from 10th to, um, fourth, fourth,

821
00:33:26.505 --> 00:33:30.485
um, and we lost one spot ultimately over the next

822
00:33:30.525 --> 00:33:34.165
150 ish lapse to, to Pato.

823
00:33:34.225 --> 00:33:38.165
Um, but, you know, it was kind of, I I was racing the,

824
00:33:38.745 --> 00:33:41.205
the five car and the 12 car

825
00:33:41.215 --> 00:33:43.085
until he went out kind of all day.

826
00:33:43.665 --> 00:33:45.125
Um, so even

827
00:33:45.125 --> 00:33:49.445
before the end, like it was, it was a really positive, um,

828
00:33:50.035 --> 00:33:53.445
weekend for ECR, you know, to,

829
00:33:53.465 --> 00:33:58.285
to be on the same level as Andretti, as McLaren,

830
00:33:58.985 --> 00:34:02.165
and as, you know, some of the Penske cars, um, was,

831
00:34:02.265 --> 00:34:03.605
was really a big accomplishment.

832
00:34:03.625 --> 00:34:06.685
You know, I think there was still a, a, a pretty large gap

833
00:34:06.785 --> 00:34:11.245
to the 10 car, um, to McLaughlin to Lucas

834
00:34:11.245 --> 00:34:12.885
before he had his issue in pit lane.

835
00:34:12.905 --> 00:34:16.765
So, so we by no means, um, solved everything, uh,

836
00:34:17.145 --> 00:34:21.125
but clearly, you know, the car was good enough, um, to,

837
00:34:21.145 --> 00:34:23.525
to be competitive and, and when the opportunity presented

838
00:34:23.525 --> 00:34:26.005
itself at the end of the race, um, Christian was able to,

839
00:34:26.025 --> 00:34:28.045
to grab it with both hands won the race.

840
00:34:28.325 --> 00:34:32.085
I was able to pass, um, Patto who was also on new tires.

841
00:34:32.265 --> 00:34:34.565
So we didn't quite have the same ability to get

842
00:34:34.565 --> 00:34:35.965
through traffic that Christian did, but,

843
00:34:36.305 --> 00:34:38.485
but still we're the, we're the second, um,

844
00:34:38.745 --> 00:34:39.965
second car on our strategy.

845
00:34:40.105 --> 00:34:43.565
So just a, a huge, hugely positive weekend

846
00:34:43.565 --> 00:34:46.525
for the organization, one that was so needed.

847
00:34:46.945 --> 00:34:50.165
Um, especially with having the new ownership, uh,

848
00:34:50.195 --> 00:34:51.605
come on board this year and,

849
00:34:51.785 --> 00:34:54.805
and the realization of, of how challenging the sport is and,

850
00:34:54.805 --> 00:34:57.245
and how hard it is to, to compete with the best teams.

851
00:34:57.915 --> 00:34:59.885
Like I said, we know we're not there yet.

852
00:34:59.985 --> 00:35:01.605
We know that there's still, uh,

853
00:35:01.765 --> 00:35:03.285
a huge gap that we have to close.

854
00:35:03.285 --> 00:35:05.485
And, and just 'cause you have one good weekend doesn't mean

855
00:35:05.485 --> 00:35:06.565
that we're gonna show up in Nashville

856
00:35:06.565 --> 00:35:07.685
and have another good one.

857
00:35:08.185 --> 00:35:10.165
But in terms of the morale and,

858
00:35:10.225 --> 00:35:14.965
and just the, the encouragement to everyone that like, okay,

859
00:35:15.305 --> 00:35:17.605
we, we are capable of doing this.

860
00:35:17.945 --> 00:35:20.845
And, and yes, there's a, there's a long journey

861
00:35:20.905 --> 00:35:21.965
and a long road ahead,

862
00:35:22.025 --> 00:35:25.005
but when you have that kind of incentive that that happened

863
00:35:25.005 --> 00:35:27.525
so recently, instead of like, oh yeah,

864
00:35:27.525 --> 00:35:29.405
we won a race the last time the team won a

865
00:35:29.405 --> 00:35:30.445
race was 2020, right?

866
00:35:30.825 --> 00:35:32.525
So it's like, oh, we did this last week.

867
00:35:32.665 --> 00:35:35.445
So it, it makes everyone excited to, to just put in

868
00:35:35.445 --> 00:35:36.485
that little bit extra effort.

869
00:35:36.545 --> 00:35:38.045
And it's really cool to be a part of.

870
00:35:38.195 --> 00:35:39.485
<v Speaker 1>It's, it's such a great point, right?</v>

871
00:35:39.565 --> 00:35:41.245
I mean it's, this is literally

872
00:35:41.315 --> 00:35:43.245
what fuels people in racing, right?

873
00:35:43.265 --> 00:35:46.405
Is winning. It's, it's, it's you and MA's golf game.

874
00:35:46.435 --> 00:35:50.085
It's that one shot that you hit well that, that fuels you

875
00:35:50.105 --> 00:35:54.485
for the next 108 that you just are awful at. And

876
00:35:55.075 --> 00:35:56.525
<v Speaker 2>It's 104. It's</v>

877
00:35:56.525 --> 00:35:58.445
<v Speaker 1>So details, you know?</v>

878
00:35:58.545 --> 00:36:02.165
But yeah, it's so great that that that Ted and,

879
00:36:02.225 --> 00:36:05.285
and you know, all the, all the new elements that are,

880
00:36:05.285 --> 00:36:09.085
are part of that team, got to really experience that now,

881
00:36:09.085 --> 00:36:10.085
know what that feels like

882
00:36:10.185 --> 00:36:12.685
and that just, I mean the, the burner gets turned up

883
00:36:12.685 --> 00:36:13.725
to 11 mm-hmm .

884
00:36:13.825 --> 00:36:15.765
You know, when you talk about lighting the fire under a

885
00:36:15.765 --> 00:36:18.685
group to, uh, to try to go get that feeling again.

886
00:36:18.785 --> 00:36:21.485
So, uh, credit to the team, congrats to Christian.

887
00:36:21.805 --> 00:36:23.365
I mean, we, I say we talked to him on Tuesday,

888
00:36:23.465 --> 00:36:25.765
if you haven't listened, what we didn't talk about a lot on

889
00:36:25.765 --> 00:36:30.365
Tuesday was just how  dude, how loose that kid is .

890
00:36:30.865 --> 00:36:33.525
And I mean that in the, both like the metaphorical sense

891
00:36:33.585 --> 00:36:35.325
and in the little sense on an oval.

892
00:36:35.325 --> 00:36:36.325
Mm-hmm . Wow.

893
00:36:36.955 --> 00:36:39.925
I've never seen that many corrections on an oval.

894
00:36:40.045 --> 00:36:41.285
I don't think outta one car

895
00:36:41.555 --> 00:36:43.845
that didn't either end up four laps down

896
00:36:43.905 --> 00:36:45.405
or in the wall ever.

897
00:36:45.905 --> 00:36:47.885
And like you see the moment,

898
00:36:48.065 --> 00:36:50.485
and like normally when you see a, an onboard

899
00:36:50.485 --> 00:36:52.165
of a guy have a big moment, maybe like two

900
00:36:52.165 --> 00:36:54.045
or three big moments in a row, you're looking

901
00:36:54.045 --> 00:36:55.365
for the adjustments to the tools.

902
00:36:55.365 --> 00:36:56.765
You're stiffening up the front bar,

903
00:36:56.765 --> 00:36:58.445
you're soft in the rear bar, you're right on the weight.

904
00:36:58.445 --> 00:37:01.325
Jagger no hands were on the wheel, hands didn't move,

905
00:37:01.435 --> 00:37:02.845
just carrying on.

906
00:37:03.035 --> 00:37:04.085
Like it was no big deal.

907
00:37:04.465 --> 00:37:08.085
It was like, is this, is this how

908
00:37:08.735 --> 00:37:10.485
indie cars are on ovals now?

909
00:37:10.515 --> 00:37:13.605
Like are we seeing what No. Okay.

910
00:37:14.905 --> 00:37:16.645
<v Speaker 2>No, no.</v>
<v Speaker 1>He</v>

911
00:37:17.035 --> 00:37:20.805
<v Speaker 2>Like, like I said there, there's a, let's be honest, um,</v>

912
00:37:21.775 --> 00:37:23.595
you gotta give credit to the 10 car and,

913
00:37:23.595 --> 00:37:25.395
and Alex, you know, he was there.

914
00:37:25.495 --> 00:37:28.835
He he do, he was dominating that race. Um, we'll get there.

915
00:37:28.835 --> 00:37:32.395
Um, ultimately, ultimately ECR made

916
00:37:32.395 --> 00:37:33.555
an aggressive strategy call.

917
00:37:33.895 --> 00:37:38.035
Um, we were very surprised that really we were,

918
00:37:38.055 --> 00:37:41.355
we were stunned that we pitted fifth

919
00:37:42.655 --> 00:37:44.785
from fifth and came in for new tires

920
00:37:44.805 --> 00:37:45.865
and came back out in fifth.

921
00:37:46.095 --> 00:37:47.865
Like we were fully I expecting

922
00:37:48.495 --> 00:37:49.495
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.</v>

923
00:37:49.495 --> 00:37:50.745
To cycle back because we were looking at it, we're like,

924
00:37:50.745 --> 00:37:52.345
we're like, who, who's, who's gonna pit?

925
00:37:52.345 --> 00:37:54.225
And I was like, uh, I think if you're 10th

926
00:37:54.245 --> 00:37:55.265
on back, go for it.

927
00:37:55.265 --> 00:37:56.865
And then you like you and Patto pit.

928
00:37:56.945 --> 00:37:58.945
I was like, oh damn, okay, we're going for this.

929
00:37:59.205 --> 00:38:01.345
And immediately, so the Penske guys are just like,

930
00:38:01.565 --> 00:38:02.565
ah,
<v Speaker 2>.</v>

931
00:38:04.685 --> 00:38:08.665
So, um, it it, it worked out in a perfect way

932
00:38:09.085 --> 00:38:12.345
and it played into Christian's strengths

933
00:38:13.085 --> 00:38:14.425
For sure in, in a big way.

934
00:38:14.645 --> 00:38:17.945
You know, being willing to, to take huge risks

935
00:38:18.925 --> 00:38:22.225
and kind of just muscle your way through a situation that

936
00:38:22.915 --> 00:38:24.945
maybe he can do for 250 laps.

937
00:38:24.945 --> 00:38:27.145
Like, I'm not gonna say that he can't at this point,

938
00:38:27.445 --> 00:38:31.265
but certainly for 20, 24 laps, he tires,

939
00:38:31.265 --> 00:38:32.705
he's definitely tires, he on new tires,

940
00:38:32.815 --> 00:38:34.465
he's definitely gonna go for it sort of thing.

941
00:38:34.525 --> 00:38:38.645
So it is not, it is not the future of IndyCar oval racing.

942
00:38:38.965 --> 00:38:41.165
I don't think that that is what the 10 car is doing.

943
00:38:41.325 --> 00:38:43.805
I don't think that is what McLaughlin was doing, right?

944
00:38:43.955 --> 00:38:46.725
Yeah. I don't think that had Joseph taken new tires,

945
00:38:46.785 --> 00:38:47.925
that's what he would've been doing.

946
00:38:48.345 --> 00:38:50.565
But certainly in this instance and,

947
00:38:50.585 --> 00:38:51.925
and for our car that we had,

948
00:38:52.545 --> 00:38:54.725
he was the right guy to have in it.

949
00:38:54.945 --> 00:38:57.245
And when I look back at his data and,

950
00:38:57.245 --> 00:38:58.445
and his onboard, I'm like,

951
00:38:58.755 --> 00:39:00.085
yeah, I'm pretty good with fourth.

952
00:39:00.235 --> 00:39:02.725
Like, congrats dude, . That's that's great

953
00:39:03.275 --> 00:39:04.275
<v Speaker 1>Dude.</v>

954
00:39:04.275 --> 00:39:05.245
I was sweating in the booth, dude.

955
00:39:05.245 --> 00:39:06.685
He, he, I guarantee you, he,

956
00:39:06.865 --> 00:39:09.965
he aged his engineers right on that race just watching.

957
00:39:10.025 --> 00:39:11.565
He did all this, the steering traces like,

958
00:39:11.725 --> 00:39:13.645
like those guys have lost years off their life.

959
00:39:14.385 --> 00:39:17.205
<v Speaker 2>So I talked to, to my engineer who's also the technical</v>

960
00:39:17.485 --> 00:39:20.165
director, um, of the team and we were kind of debriefing

961
00:39:20.165 --> 00:39:22.285
after and he was like, so how was it?

962
00:39:22.285 --> 00:39:23.565
And I was like, man, I was pretty loose.

963
00:39:23.905 --> 00:39:26.405
Um, you know, throughout the race, I, I took four turns

964
00:39:26.405 --> 00:39:29.205
of front wing out Christian also took quite a bit

965
00:39:29.205 --> 00:39:32.565
of front wing out and he was like, Christian was also loose,

966
00:39:32.985 --> 00:39:35.165
um, and crashing every corner,

967
00:39:35.345 --> 00:39:36.365
but he just didn't hit anything .

968
00:39:36.665 --> 00:39:38.445
So don't really have much to say.

969
00:39:38.445 --> 00:39:40.285
Like, we need to get the rear better for sure.

970
00:39:40.385 --> 00:39:41.565
And and, and honestly that was

971
00:39:41.565 --> 00:39:42.645
Christian's comments after the race.

972
00:39:42.665 --> 00:39:45.045
He was like, yeah, we, we need to make the rear better .

973
00:39:45.285 --> 00:39:47.045
And it was like, yeah, no bro.

974
00:39:47.385 --> 00:39:50.845
Um, but anyways, uh, yeah, just in summary, the best,

975
00:39:51.345 --> 00:39:54.005
the best two car result that that team has had in history.

976
00:39:54.385 --> 00:39:57.245
Um, so amazing. Just, uh, an awesome thing to be a part of.

977
00:39:57.275 --> 00:40:00.645
<v Speaker 1>Golf clap. Um, you mentioned it, it's impo it's impossible</v>

978
00:40:00.645 --> 00:40:01.725
to not talk about the weekend

979
00:40:01.725 --> 00:40:03.085
that Palolo had. Don't I think

980
00:40:03.085 --> 00:40:05.005
<v Speaker 2>It was the most impressive of the year. You</v>

981
00:40:05.005 --> 00:40:06.005
<v Speaker 1>Know, we, I completely agree.</v>

982
00:40:06.405 --> 00:40:09.565
I completely agree. I, I said as much to him afterwards.

983
00:40:09.725 --> 00:40:11.365
I, I said as much to him after qualifying.

984
00:40:11.485 --> 00:40:12.925
I was like, that's the most impressive pull

985
00:40:12.925 --> 00:40:15.485
that you've had all year and sixth

986
00:40:15.485 --> 00:40:16.645
of the year, which is insane.

987
00:40:16.895 --> 00:40:19.845
Short tracks. Chevy tends to have the advantage.

988
00:40:20.465 --> 00:40:21.685
Uh, we saw that at Gateway.

989
00:40:22.025 --> 00:40:23.725
We saw it for the most part at Iowa as well.

990
00:40:24.465 --> 00:40:26.405
Um, the fact that him, and,

991
00:40:26.505 --> 00:40:29.325
and you know, Dixon ish also was up there.

992
00:40:29.345 --> 00:40:30.645
He was there thereabouts.

993
00:40:30.665 --> 00:40:33.405
But to have seven tenths of a mile an hour on the field

994
00:40:34.425 --> 00:40:38.735
in a Honda when it's a Chevy type of track was unbelievable.

995
00:40:39.655 --> 00:40:41.915
And then you go into the race

996
00:40:42.655 --> 00:40:46.635
and his ability to take care of tires

997
00:40:47.785 --> 00:40:51.285
on an oval is evidently as good, if not better

998
00:40:51.795 --> 00:40:55.365
than it is on road courses, which is saying something.

999
00:40:56.125 --> 00:40:57.845
'cause he is pretty good at it on road courses, .

1000
00:40:58.505 --> 00:41:01.565
But like, you know, you, you sort of set the tone

1001
00:41:01.565 --> 00:41:03.765
of the race when, 'cause you were the first of the leaders

1002
00:41:03.785 --> 00:41:05.485
to pit on that first cycle.

1003
00:41:05.665 --> 00:41:07.925
And the, and the undercut killed it.

1004
00:41:07.925 --> 00:41:08.965
You said you went from 10th to

1005
00:41:08.965 --> 00:41:10.125
fourth or fifth or whatever it was.

1006
00:41:10.265 --> 00:41:12.525
And then, you know, Paolo's just standing out there

1007
00:41:12.525 --> 00:41:14.405
and he just kind of keeps going around it keeps going

1008
00:41:14.405 --> 00:41:15.445
around, it keeps going around

1009
00:41:15.445 --> 00:41:18.125
and I'm like, man, like he's gonna lose a lot of time here.

1010
00:41:18.125 --> 00:41:19.685
But it's like, oh, he already had such a gap.

1011
00:41:19.745 --> 00:41:21.965
He had like five seconds to play with

1012
00:41:22.585 --> 00:41:25.205
so he could go an extra 5, 6, 7 laps

1013
00:41:25.975 --> 00:41:27.605
still come out in the same track position

1014
00:41:27.605 --> 00:41:28.725
and now have shorter stints

1015
00:41:28.725 --> 00:41:29.805
to worry about later in the race.

1016
00:41:29.825 --> 00:41:32.365
And it's like, man, and like all he talked about on the

1017
00:41:32.365 --> 00:41:33.960
radio after every pit stop was,

1018
00:41:34.025 --> 00:41:35.205
how long is this thing gonna be?

1019
00:41:35.205 --> 00:41:37.845
Alright Alex, we need another 48 laps outta this stent.

1020
00:41:37.845 --> 00:41:39.405
He goes, okay, I gotta take care of the tires.

1021
00:41:39.785 --> 00:41:42.565
And he was just so methodical, so precise.

1022
00:41:42.665 --> 00:41:44.485
So everything that Alex Polo is

1023
00:41:45.145 --> 00:41:46.445
and had it not been for the,

1024
00:41:46.545 --> 00:41:49.085
can we talk about the like random sun shower

1025
00:41:49.195 --> 00:41:50.445
that caused the yellow?

1026
00:41:50.765 --> 00:41:53.805
<v Speaker 2>I never even saw it.</v>
<v Speaker 1>So you didn't see any rain?</v>

1027
00:41:54.745 --> 00:41:57.885
<v Speaker 2>No,</v>
<v Speaker 1>There was rain on the leaving window. Yeah.</v>

1028
00:41:58.145 --> 00:41:59.445
Oh no, no. It definitely rained.

1029
00:41:59.445 --> 00:42:01.205
Like there's a couple of the onboards like

1030
00:42:01.225 --> 00:42:02.325
had a decent amount of rain.

1031
00:42:02.665 --> 00:42:04.845
We saw some drops on our window and,

1032
00:42:04.945 --> 00:42:08.285
but like bright sun, like sunny warm, everything's great.

1033
00:42:08.285 --> 00:42:11.965
There's just some freak little 32nd shower.

1034
00:42:12.265 --> 00:42:14.365
But I mean credit Danny car, they, they, they threw it

1035
00:42:14.365 --> 00:42:15.645
as soon as they saw any kind

1036
00:42:15.645 --> 00:42:17.445
of moisture on the track, which is what you do.

1037
00:42:17.805 --> 00:42:18.805
Actually, a couple like that,

1038
00:42:19.435 --> 00:42:21.165
they were really quick on the gram caution,

1039
00:42:21.215 --> 00:42:22.685
which it gave them a lot of credit for.

1040
00:42:22.795 --> 00:42:26.915
They threw that caution when there was ilot lost an engine

1041
00:42:27.455 --> 00:42:29.315
and there was concern of maybe some fluid.

1042
00:42:29.515 --> 00:42:31.235
'cause they saw, I think it was Kirkwood's onboard was right

1043
00:42:31.235 --> 00:42:32.435
behind him and there was a ton

1044
00:42:32.435 --> 00:42:34.555
of Kirkwood's screen, so they threw the caution.

1045
00:42:34.735 --> 00:42:36.955
So I think race control was really on it this weekend.

1046
00:42:37.015 --> 00:42:41.035
But yeah, I mean Palo's gotta be, be, look, he, he's won it.

1047
00:42:41.035 --> 00:42:42.595
He's having, you know, a career year,

1048
00:42:42.655 --> 00:42:45.315
but like still, when he thinks back to mid Ohio

1049
00:42:45.535 --> 00:42:49.235
and he thinks back to uh, Milwaukee, he's gonna be like,

1050
00:42:49.375 --> 00:42:51.875
ugh, I should already have 10,

1051
00:42:52.285 --> 00:42:53.635
which would be matching the record.

1052
00:42:53.775 --> 00:42:57.115
And I got a shot at setting the record in Nashville.

1053
00:42:58.295 --> 00:43:01.915
But I don't know man, you would've circled the last quarter

1054
00:43:01.935 --> 00:43:05.515
of this season as like a, oh well I like P'S got a buffer,

1055
00:43:05.615 --> 00:43:07.955
his lead in the championship going into the last quarter

1056
00:43:07.955 --> 00:43:09.515
because it's heavily because

1057
00:43:09.515 --> 00:43:10.675
<v Speaker 2>Pat is coming, new garden's coming,</v>

1058
00:43:10.775 --> 00:43:13.675
<v Speaker 1>Pat is coming, new McLaughlin's coming, Colton's coming,</v>

1059
00:43:13.815 --> 00:43:16.845
you know, nah bro, no.

1060
00:43:16.845 --> 00:43:18.925
Mm-hmm He's in five race

1061
00:43:18.955 --> 00:43:20.445
<v Speaker 2>Also sorted,</v>
<v Speaker 1>Right?</v>

1062
00:43:20.445 --> 00:43:23.565
And five oval races. He's won two, could've been three.

1063
00:43:24.625 --> 00:43:25.525
Now look, you can play,

1064
00:43:25.525 --> 00:43:26.805
you can play it the other way too, right?

1065
00:43:26.835 --> 00:43:30.125
Like Iowa Race two, Joseph lost that race, right?

1066
00:43:30.125 --> 00:43:31.645
Joseph was robbed of that race

1067
00:43:31.645 --> 00:43:33.565
because of two times he got sent

1068
00:43:33.565 --> 00:43:35.965
to the back on a time to caution.

1069
00:43:36.785 --> 00:43:39.845
So this one would've been a more like legitimate, I mean,

1070
00:43:39.845 --> 00:43:42.165
pull to flag win, you know, would've been incredible.

1071
00:43:42.265 --> 00:43:45.205
But still, just the level of that guy's operating on is,

1072
00:43:45.225 --> 00:43:47.645
uh, pretty

1073
00:43:48.435 --> 00:43:49.435
<v Speaker 2>Neat.</v>

1074
00:43:49.435 --> 00:43:52.165
Listen, I hope he goes to F1 if that rumor's true

1075
00:43:52.165 --> 00:43:54.885
because man, does it make the rest of us

1076
00:43:55.755 --> 00:43:57.245
breathe a sigh of relief

1077
00:43:57.335 --> 00:43:58.335
<v Speaker 1>Outta here.</v>

1078
00:43:58.345 --> 00:43:59.485
Got outta here.

1079
00:44:00.305 --> 00:44:03.005
The, the other, the other props I want to give is

1080
00:44:03.005 --> 00:44:07.125
to Firestone because that tire from, at least from my seat,

1081
00:44:07.125 --> 00:44:09.005
tell me if I'm wrong, but that tire seemed perfect.

1082
00:44:09.265 --> 00:44:11.005
It was like good grip with new,

1083
00:44:11.105 --> 00:44:12.565
it was the right amount of day percent.

1084
00:44:12.585 --> 00:44:14.285
It didn't make it like scary.

1085
00:44:14.285 --> 00:44:15.885
Like you could make it to 50 laps.

1086
00:44:15.885 --> 00:44:17.565
It wasn't like you were saving your life to get

1087
00:44:17.565 --> 00:44:19.565
<v Speaker 2>To 50 like wild vibrations. Right,</v>

1088
00:44:19.935 --> 00:44:20.935
<v Speaker 1>Right.</v>

1089
00:44:20.935 --> 00:44:22.525
<v Speaker 2>Like, oh, it, it's a wonderful tire.</v>

1090
00:44:22.755 --> 00:44:25.445
<v Speaker 1>Very, very good. Yeah. So they've nailed that balance,</v>

1091
00:44:25.445 --> 00:44:28.085
which is so hard to do, um, at that place.

1092
00:44:28.225 --> 00:44:29.285
So credit to everybody there

1093
00:44:29.505 --> 00:44:30.765
and yeah man, just credit to the fans

1094
00:44:30.765 --> 00:44:31.925
of Milwaukee for coming out.

1095
00:44:32.185 --> 00:44:33.725
Um, at the time of recording,

1096
00:44:33.745 --> 00:44:36.165
we have not seen the viewership numbers, so I don't know

1097
00:44:36.165 --> 00:44:37.245
how many of you watched on tv.

1098
00:44:37.605 --> 00:44:39.005
I hope it's many. Uh,

1099
00:44:39.205 --> 00:44:40.805
'cause it was a heck of a race, obviously.

1100
00:44:40.905 --> 00:44:43.005
And you know what's funny is I, I'm not entirely,

1101
00:44:43.025 --> 00:44:44.845
I'm not a hundred percent sure, but I'm pretty sure

1102
00:44:44.845 --> 00:44:47.965
that we went long into golf this weekend.

1103
00:44:48.505 --> 00:44:53.405
So everybody that was upset  in Portland, they got their,

1104
00:44:53.475 --> 00:44:54.605
they got their, you know,

1105
00:44:54.875 --> 00:44:56.805
it's all evened out, uh, live sports.

1106
00:44:57.265 --> 00:44:59.805
Anyway, um, dude, great job all weekend.

1107
00:44:59.805 --> 00:45:01.925
Awesome result for you. Awesome result for Christian.

1108
00:45:01.925 --> 00:45:04.445
Awesome result for the team. Uh, we head to Nashville,

1109
00:45:05.985 --> 00:45:07.885
30 seconds on Nashville. It was a,

1110
00:45:07.885 --> 00:45:09.125
<v Speaker 2>It was a good race last year.</v>

1111
00:45:09.425 --> 00:45:12.965
Um, I, I imagine it'll be very similar, you know,

1112
00:45:12.965 --> 00:45:16.525
we're doing the weird, uh, two tire compounds again.

1113
00:45:16.785 --> 00:45:18.285
So alternates and primes.

1114
00:45:18.445 --> 00:45:20.765
I don't think that that made the race great last year.

1115
00:45:21.105 --> 00:45:23.045
Um, I think the, the arrow package, do you

1116
00:45:23.045 --> 00:45:24.045
<v Speaker 1>Think it was a negative?</v>

1117
00:45:25.445 --> 00:45:27.105
<v Speaker 2>No. Or was it kind of, I think transparent.</v>

1118
00:45:27.295 --> 00:45:29.105
It's a weird thing to, to have in there.

1119
00:45:29.325 --> 00:45:31.145
And the production of the events

1120
00:45:31.285 --> 00:45:33.265
and the people that turned out was also

1121
00:45:33.375 --> 00:45:34.385
very, very good last year.

1122
00:45:34.405 --> 00:45:37.185
So hopefully that continues to, to grow, um,

1123
00:45:37.405 --> 00:45:39.585
as we have moved that race to the new location.

1124
00:45:39.645 --> 00:45:40.745
But looking forward to it. Very

1125
00:45:40.745 --> 00:45:41.745
<v Speaker 1>Cool.</v>

1126
00:45:41.745 --> 00:45:42.465
Alright everybody, thanks for tuning in.

1127
00:45:42.685 --> 00:45:46.625
And we got one left on the old Indy car calendar. Should be

1128
00:45:46.975 --> 00:45:47.975
<v Speaker 2>Lame.</v>

1129
00:45:48.585 --> 00:45:51.495
<v Speaker 1>A banger, but yeah, it's lame, but it should be good.</v>

1130
00:45:51.555 --> 00:45:54.845
So definitely watch or come or both.

1131
00:45:55.055 --> 00:45:56.605
Leave your TVs on as

1132
00:45:56.605 --> 00:45:58.125
<v Speaker 2>You leave, watch, and come to go to the</v>

1133
00:45:58.125 --> 00:45:59.125
<v Speaker 1>Airport.</v>

1134
00:45:59.125 --> 00:45:59.725
Yeah, I don't like

1135
00:45:59.725 --> 00:46:00.725
<v Speaker 2>The way you said that.</v>
<v Speaker 1>,</v>

1136
00:46:04.665 --> 00:46:06.235
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1137
00:46:06.235 --> 00:46:07.795
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1138
00:46:07.795 --> 00:46:10.115
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00:46:10.535 --> 00:46:11.715
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00:46:11.715 --> 00:46:13.915
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