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<v Speaker 1>This is off track.</v>

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Hello and welcome to Tuesday's off track

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with Hin Rossi. And this is

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<v Speaker 2>A Tim, a warning robe.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Tim's in a, Tim's a rope.</v>

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And this is a warning to the people

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that don't like hearing people eat stuff.

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Alex is almost done his cereal.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm done. Okay.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Give it 12 seconds. I was gonna say  like</v>

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<v Speaker 1>What  you do eat quickly.</v>

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What, uh, what cereal are you eating?

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What's a GoTo cereal for you?

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<v Speaker 2>Honey Nut Cheerios.</v>
<v Speaker 1>Solid.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>I'd have taken you as a CT Crunch guy.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Dude, I don't eat as a what? Hap Captain Crunch Cinnamon.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>No. Cinnamon Toast Crunch.</v>
<v Speaker 2>I don't like that either.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, dude, I , I love Cinnamon Toast</v>

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Crunch in an unhealthy way.

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<v Speaker 2>No, which is why I don't eat it.</v>

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I, I, oh, sour Patch gets all over again. I

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<v Speaker 1>Was just, I was waiting. I teed that up</v>

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<v Speaker 2>For you.</v>

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So I, uh, we,

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we've, we've talked about this before.

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It's been on probably a hundred episodes or so,

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but like breakfast, breakfast foods that are

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that level are just dessert

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and like, I don't feel okay eating that.

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Cheerios are pretty much dessert as well.

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But I feel like there's some,

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they're on the edge, right? You can't,

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<v Speaker 1>Can't see the sugar on top, top of the square. Right.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Like Oreo os, lucky Charms, captain Crunch, CIN Toast.</v>

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Come on. That's not breakfast. Yeah.

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That's not part of a well-balanced diet. Shut

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<v Speaker 1>Up.</v>

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As say, I don't know. Every commercial I've ever heard has

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said this is part of a balanced breakfast.

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So are you telling me they lied to me in ads? Alex,

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<v Speaker 2>I am telling you, they lied to you in ad Speaking of ads,</v>

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guys we're coming off the Super Bowl.

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Mm-hmm . Um, super Bowl's, known for its commercials. James.

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Mm-hmm . I know you watched Tim. I know you probably didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>I had it on on my planes.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>What, what were your top three?</v>

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Uh, super Bowl commercials.

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'cause I have mine and it's pretty clear cut for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Um, I would, I'm I I'd be lying if I</v>

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said I caught them all.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.</v>
<v Speaker 3>I think we should set aside the Cadillac, uh,</v>

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livery reveal, because I think we should

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probably get into that separately.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I wasn't, I wouldn't say</v>

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that was gonna be in my top three anyways. Well, that's

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe part of why I was saying let's set it aside.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.</v>
<v Speaker 1>Um,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>It wasn't my top three.</v>

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I liked the JFK stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Dude. What? And have you seen the full minute video? No.</v>

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No. It's way cooler. Like it's,

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to actually see the whole thing is like

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they did a really good job on it.

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Uh, so that yes. Would've been in there. Um, oh man.

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Alex, why don't you go first? 'cause I need help.

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I need you to jog my memory on some.

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I know that Sophia Vega was in like eight

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commercials, which was a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Um, all right, well, so number one without a doubt,</v>

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the latest Budweiser commercial. Incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>Um, is that what the, the horse and the eagle? Yeah.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Like just, yeah,</v>
<v Speaker 1>That was pretty solid. Fantastic.</v>

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That one picture, like when it's jumping

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and then the Yeah, that is,

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that was cinematography. That is, that was good.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that is the, um, number two? Yeah, sorry.</v>

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Okay. Okay. No, no.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, I saw the, the Dunkin one that like, throw, throw,</v>

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threw back to like every,

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<v Speaker 2>That was my number show.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. That was my number. That one was</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Great.</v>

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And old tamp Tommy was in there.

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So , uh, it is a special place in my heart, um, for

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that one, but no, Dunkin Duncan killed it with that one.

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And then number three, um, was Pepsi.

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Because, you know, we've had the,

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the Pepsi Coke Wars for a long time.

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I feel like it kind of disappeared for a little bit.

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I don't know if you caught this one, James,

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but you know, the Coca-Cola mascot is

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the big polar bear, right?

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The bear, yeah. So it was essentially the polar bear was

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blindfolded and was doing a blind taste test

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between Pepsi Zero and Coke Zero.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. And</v>
<v Speaker 2>It shows Pepsi Zero. Right. Right.</v>

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And then it's the whole sequence of events

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that fall along after that, including

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<v Speaker 3>The cold play concert,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Including the reference,</v>

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the Coldplay concert reference where

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<v Speaker 1>Nice.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Yes. Um, he got caught Right.</v>

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Doing something he shouldn't be. Um, right.

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So I thought that was cool

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because A, it brought back the,

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like the rivalry b the Coldplay kind of thing was awesome.

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And then just animated teddy bears. Polar bears, yeah.

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Are cool. Everybody

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<v Speaker 1>Wins.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>You. Can you imagine those? That</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Was my top three.</v>

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You're, you're so bad

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<v Speaker 3>At having an affair</v>

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that there's a Super Bowl commercial about it.

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<v Speaker 1>The best. Like I was just thinking the fact that they are</v>

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that much part of like the zeitgeist now.

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Like Hmm. That's a rough, well, that,

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<v Speaker 2>That the lady is now, so she obviously got fired</v>

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or she resigned or whatever you wanna call it.

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Right. She no longer works there,

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but I saw she got paid like six figures

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to go give like a Ted talk somewhere  about like, oh,

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what about like redefining yourself

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after struggles  just

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<v Speaker 1>Like, Hey man, it's a good PR spin. Good</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Honor, I guess. I guess,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Um, the other one that I liked was, um, the one</v>

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with Matthew McConaughey and um,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, uh, uh, the other attractive guy.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.</v>
<v Speaker 2>Um, um, Bradley Cooper. Boy.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. Yes. Yeah, that one</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Was pretty good.</v>

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Uber Eats Uber Eats. Yeah. No.

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So during that, Kelly was like, how old are these dudes?

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Right? Because she was like, man, they're,

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they're nice to look at.

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And Bradley Cooper's like 52 and McConaughey is like 56

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and she's like, man, we, we have so much life left to live.

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It's like, yeah. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>Were you, was she worried that you guys were running out?</v>

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I think she just in her mind thought like,</v>

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50 year olds are old

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and then she saw that you can still be attractive

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and fit at 50 plus.

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<v Speaker 1>You sure can. There's a lot</v>

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of great examples of that in Hollywood.

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Yes. Yes. Uh, and and beyond.

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It doesn't just have to be in Hollywood.

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But yeah, those guys are doing great for themselves.

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And like, I gotta be honest,

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I don't think Matthew McConaughey's the type that like

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goes out of his way to take super good care of, like,

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like his lifestyle choices

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seem like pretty normal, you know?

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Mm-hmm . He's not like sleeping in cryo chambers. No.

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And you know, only eating organic vegan,

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grown on the moon kind of stuff.

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Like that guy smashes Bud Lights and parties

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and has a great time from what I understand. Correct.

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<v Speaker 2>He's No, Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise. Cruise.</v>

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Like also like 15 years older than him,

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so who knows. And still

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<v Speaker 1>Moves like a 30-year-old.</v>

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So. Exactly. So maybe he's onto something.

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Mm-hmm
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<v Speaker 1>Uh, did you, I mean, I did not care for the game itself.</v>

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Oh. It was terrible. I thought that was a pretty,

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pretty bad game. So

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<v Speaker 3>I saw my favorite thing I saw online</v>

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and I, I couldn't, I couldn't find it

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'cause I wanted to reference it Exactly.

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But it just said this, this Super Bowl could have been an

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email
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<v Speaker 2>Yes. So I, um, I don't, I don't want</v>

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to offend anyone when I say this.

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<v Speaker 1>I, I, I love how we just know</v>

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that there's gonna be a plethora of people affected

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by the next thing coming outta your life,

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or it's gonna be the least

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<v Speaker 3>Offensive thing ever. .</v>

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<v Speaker 2>No, I think, I think exactly like three people</v>

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will be offended by me saying this.

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Okay. And, and I, it is nothing against them.

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It's just the, the, the circumstances surrounding the event.

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I compare this Super Bowl to the 2020 Indy 500.

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Like it's gonna, it's kind of like,

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for me being a huge fan of football and Super Bowls

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and everything, it, it was two teams that were like, nah,

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in terms of like the, the, the storylines

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around it, in my mind mm-hmm .

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The lead up was kind of, nah,

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there wasn't a huge amount of anticipation.

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The halftime show was what it was. Right.

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I mean, it appealed to a certain demographic.

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It didn't appeal to another one.

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I personally didn't know any of the songs.

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A because I don't know who bad Bunny is, B

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because I don't speak Spanish.

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Um, so like there was nothing memorable

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from my standpoint there.

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And much like an 8,500 in August in front of No Crowd

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is kind of like not a lot memorable there.

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So nothing against Kuma obviously.

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Um, but I, I feel like this one,

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when you look back on the history is kind of gonna be like

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that indie five hundreds.

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Like, wait, who, who won that one again? Like

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.</v>

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You know, I, I'm curious, I'm curious to see like

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what the ratings will be,

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because that ultimately tells you, right?

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Like I know that, sure. I know that there's gonna be a, a,

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a default number 'cause people watch, like I watch,

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I don't care about either one of those teams even remotely

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and I watch the Super Bowl, right? Like same.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.</v>
<v Speaker 1>But there's, I I do think</v>

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that the difference in like that last sorta

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call it 5 million, right?

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The difference between 50,000,050 5 million is, well, yeah,

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well it was a, this was a banging game

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or this was like one that people were excited to watch.

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And I don't know if it's just

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because we don't care about either team

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and like, especially being, you know, people

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who live in Indiana, they like actively hate the Patriots

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and like boycott anything related to them that like,

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maybe it seemed more tamed here. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>Know.</v>

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No, I just, I feel like a huge amount of

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what drives interest in a team, rightly

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or wrongly is the quarterback, right?

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Mm-hmm . And, and what they do and, and the plays they make

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and, and how they are a a, a game changer.

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Right. You know, there's, there's often a lot

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of sports podcasts talk about different levels

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of quarterback and you have game changers, right?

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You have your Josh Allen, your Patrick Mahomes,

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your Tom Bradys, right?

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And then your game managers who are the guys that are,

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they don't turn the ball over,

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they kind of follow the script.

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Right. But they're not going to put the team on their back

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and make a difference themselves. Right? Yeah. They, they

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<v Speaker 1>Like Moneyball it.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Right. And I feel like we had a perfect example</v>

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of those two quarterbacks not taking anything away from

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them, but like that has was

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probably the lamest quarterback matchup in recent memory.

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Yeah. Like Drake Defense, Dan, Sam, Donald, right?

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It was, yeah. So anyways, what were you saying Tim?

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With all your ball and knowledge?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I was just gonna say</v>
<v Speaker 1>. Yes.</v>

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That's like two weeks in a row.

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It's not me with the bad internet. Oh, this

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<v Speaker 2>Happened last</v>
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That was, that one was such a, such a harsh cut.

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I feel like the internet straight went out at his house.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree completely Tim.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Everything that you just said we're totally on board with</v>

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and we heard every word of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah. Let's go with that.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>I think your internet's still waking up Pal. .</v>

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<v Speaker 3>I just turned the computer on</v>

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for the first time since Friday, so, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Well Tim, um, since it's Tuesday episode</v>

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and we have nothing of relevance really,

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well actually we'll save it for Thursday.

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I wanna hear about your trip on Thursday. So James

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I will be gone for the</v>

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Thursday episode if we're about to record.

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'cause my heart out is in three minutes. Hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>Well great point, Tim. Don't tell us. We'll tell that for</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Next week.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.</v>
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. In three minutes bro. Actually yeah.</v>

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Give us, give us the three minute synopsis.

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<v Speaker 2>Why were you, why did you just turn your computer on?</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Well, uh, Alex, you know, we were supposed</v>

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to go see the Artis launch

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but uh, nasa, nasa, NASA a very pretty

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<v Speaker 2>Hard to send people to the moon</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Again.</v>

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Yeah. . Um,

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it's a significantly bigger rocket.

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Uh, a newer thing. We're sending a lot more this time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're right. It's not a tin</v>

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can designed by eighth graders

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<v Speaker 3>And they had a hydrogen leak, uh, and the launchpad.</v>

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Yeah. Which makes sense. We talked about this.

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Hydrogen is the smallest atom. So anyway, um, yes,

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we did already talk about this.

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So we had the flights

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to Florida booked all the dates in March

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where they could do the launch, um,

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conflict with IndyCar races.

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So figured we're probably not gonna go as the plus one

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and plus two of Alex Rossi on any of those dates.

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So we, Hazel and I just decided to keep the trip anyways,

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we went to Universal in Florida

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and just had a nice weekend there.

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We got super delayed on the way back

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'cause there was a medical emergency on the plane.

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We had to go back to the gate and then they had to refuel us

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and it just was hours

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of sitting on the plane before we took off.

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So I am exhausted right now, just woke up

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'cause I misread the texts and Yeah. But great weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>So as somebody that frequents Universal in LA,</v>

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how does it compare to the Universal in Florida?

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<v Speaker 3>Not even, not even comparable.</v>

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I mean they have so much more room in,

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in Florida there are four parks in Florida

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and each of them is bigger than the one in

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LA I think , sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>There's four different universal parks. Yeah,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.</v>

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There's, there's Universal Studios, there's Island

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of Adventure, there's the water

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park's name I don't remember.

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And the new one, which is bigger than all

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of them combined Epic universe. And

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<v Speaker 1>Those are all universal.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah. Parks.</v>
<v Speaker 2>And so trying to take over Disney,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>We stayed at a hotel Alex recommended, which was like a,</v>

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felt like we were sleeping in a space

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station, had a cool pool.

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We did, uh, we did all three parks except

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we didn't do the waterpark.

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So we did three of the four parks

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and yeah, great time. Exhausted

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<v Speaker 2>High</v>
<v Speaker 1>Highlight like ride or exhibit</v>

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or experience. Um,

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<v Speaker 3>The Epic universe, the new park is incredible.</v>

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And they had this really cool thing called Ministry

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of Magic ride, where you like go

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that one the line Twilight was the coolest part.

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Um, . Yes, exactly. Uh, no that one. The,

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<v Speaker 1>The,</v>
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like the line you, you do, you go</v>

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through this giant set that looks like the Ministry

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of Magic from Harry Potter.

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And like the attention to detail was ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that's a, that's a nice strategy.</v>

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It's nice when they put the effort in

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to make the line entertaining

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because yeah, I imagine you spend a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>Time in know people be sitting there for three</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Hours.</v>

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sounds like that's your time, Timbo.

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<v Speaker 3>It's my time to go wake up. Hail,</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for joining us. Thanks.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for joining us this</v>
<v Speaker 2>Wonderful Tuesday. Oh,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Alright.</v>

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As so we had a cool guest lined up that we are gonna get

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to at some point, but due to

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<v Speaker 2>Politics,</v>
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say political reasons he cannot,</v>

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uh, be here at this time.

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But, but not bad political reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>Watch understandable political reasons. Yeah,</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.</v>

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The, the timing just did not make sense on,

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on his organization side, which I totally get.

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So we're gonna get him on at some point

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and we're gonna have a, a really fun conversation

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with him about his past

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and his current, which is gonna be fun.

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So in lieu of that, as we've managed to burn most

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of this episode talking about the, the Super Bowl.

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Anyway, I have a few random questions that chat, GPD uh, uh,

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devised for us to discuss.

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But I do think there's a couple Good,

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there's at least two really good ones in here actually.

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There's, ah, there's a couple good ones.

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So I wanna start with this one.

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'cause this is something I think is,

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I've got a strong opinion on

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and I'm curious what yours is interest.

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And the question was, is timing

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or talent more important in Motorsport?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, James, I think that's an impossible question</v>

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to answer because Okay.

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Timing, I would say is more important in the avenue

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to the top, in the path to the top, right?

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We don't have to go into the examples even recently

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of Indie Lights champions, right?

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Who Oliver ask you where's he at sort of thing.

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Um, guys that had a lot of promise that don't,

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that don't end up making it.

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Um, but at the same time you can have

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all of the timing align and the politics align

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and all this sort of thing, and you can get to the top,

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but that doesn't mean it's sustainable without the

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underlying pace performance and talent.

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So I think, I think timing is more important to

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break through that barrier,

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but then that's not gonna carry you once you get to the top.

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Does that answer your question?

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<v Speaker 1>That does, that's a good answer. Okay.</v>

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That's a, that's a well thought out for a ten second, um,

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deliberation in your mind about that question.

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Um, I completely agree on the timing being the

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defining factor, getting there, right?

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Because if you were the most talented kid, you know,

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in the world and, uh, you were really getting into that sort

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of like pro 2000 indie lights range

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and say, I don't know, 2008 tough things probably didn't,

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unless you had tons of money, things probably

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didn't work out for you, right?

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But if you came in like the early two thousands through the,

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the, the hottest part

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of like the Red Bull driver search in the US

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and you were American, you know,

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you had a much better shot at having an opportunity in a car

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when the sport is healthy, you know,

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then it's kind of about talent.

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So you have to time it to be, you know,

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when the sport is in a, like, it's, it's

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so cyclical, it's so difficult.

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There's ultimately only 20 something seats available at the

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top and timing's just a huge part of that.

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You know, got the F1 side of things.

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How many, to your point about, you know,

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indie Ice champions,

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how many F two champions have not ended up

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with a Formula one opportunity

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because there was only 20 seats

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and there was just nobody bad enough to fire

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and maybe this kid was better than them,

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but that opportunity never presented itself, right?

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The talent at the top part.

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That's an interesting, I've never like seen it broken down

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into two parts, but that's an interesting take.

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And while I, I do agree with what you're saying,

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let me add another layer to it, right?

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Because, and,

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and I think I already know your rebuttal, I'm not sure,

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and I'm not saying this is my position,

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but just another layer to think about is

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there are different generations of,

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and eras of whether it's IndyCar or F1

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or nascar, whatever, where a certain driver's driving style

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is going to be more effective in that car than another car.

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And if they just time, if their timing is just wrong,

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like if their career path just led them

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to be there at the wrong time, you know, like, like,

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like let's we'll use F1 as an easier example just

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because the errors are so much more clearly defined, right?

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If you were like really good in the ground effects car

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and now we don't have ground effects anymore,

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like let's say may,

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maybe Kimmy Antonelli was gonna be the best driver on earth

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in a ground effects car

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and he'll never race one again in Formula One

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and now he's like results tank or

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<v Speaker 2>Something.</v>

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Yeah, I, well, yeah, I didn't,

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I don't think I have a rebuttal for that.

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I think that is a very,

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that's a very real possibility. The

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<v Speaker 1>Ultimate like rebuttal I think to that point is,</v>

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well the most talented people on earth will figure it out no

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matter what the car does, right?

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Like you need some luck to get there. Yeah.

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But then like once you're at the top,

464
00:18:31.105 --> 00:18:33.685
if you are the most talented, it doesn't matter your timing,

465
00:18:33.705 --> 00:18:35.565
you'll figure out a way to win.

466
00:18:35.835 --> 00:18:36.925
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah.</v>

467
00:18:37.145 --> 00:18:38.325
That's probably so a healthy mix

468
00:18:38.355 --> 00:18:39.605
that that, that is probably correct.

469
00:18:39.825 --> 00:18:41.365
Um, yeah. And, and I think the timing

470
00:18:42.385 --> 00:18:45.245
aspect can be opened up a little bit to,

471
00:18:46.675 --> 00:18:48.565
this doesn't really apply on the F1 side.

472
00:18:48.905 --> 00:18:51.085
Um, well maybe a little bit.

473
00:18:51.605 --> 00:18:54.685
I would say on the F1 side, well no, it applies on both,

474
00:18:54.905 --> 00:18:58.325
you know, you take guys like Fernando Alonzo, um, my point

475
00:18:58.325 --> 00:18:59.325
that I was making is, you know,

476
00:18:59.325 --> 00:19:02.005
you've got guys in IndyCar like your Scott Dixons

477
00:19:02.005 --> 00:19:03.165
and Will Powers and,

478
00:19:03.185 --> 00:19:06.325
and everything, who while they

479
00:19:06.845 --> 00:19:08.765
a hundred percent should still be in race seats

480
00:19:09.065 --> 00:19:11.725
and are still competitive and are winning races

481
00:19:11.725 --> 00:19:13.365
and being on pole and all that sort of thing,

482
00:19:13.815 --> 00:19:16.365
their time is towards the end, right?

483
00:19:16.625 --> 00:19:20.005
And so you have these guys that are, you know,

484
00:19:20.205 --> 00:19:22.465
at one point gonna time out not

485
00:19:22.465 --> 00:19:24.465
because of any other reason other than you're not gonna

486
00:19:24.465 --> 00:19:26.465
drive a race car when you're 48, right?

487
00:19:27.005 --> 00:19:29.625
So depending on when the timing don't tell Dixon

488
00:19:29.625 --> 00:19:32.305
that  well, in theory, right?

489
00:19:32.305 --> 00:19:35.305
So depending on where the timing of those guys phase out

490
00:19:35.685 --> 00:19:36.985
and your Yep.

491
00:19:37.655 --> 00:19:41.825
Insertion and rise in performance comes, like that's,

492
00:19:41.825 --> 00:19:43.025
that's a timing aspect of it.

493
00:19:43.025 --> 00:19:46.345
But obviously one that's completely out of your hands and,

494
00:19:46.345 --> 00:19:47.665
and impossible to predict.

495
00:19:47.805 --> 00:19:49.905
But yeah, no, it, it plays a factor.

496
00:19:50.005 --> 00:19:52.865
But I'm gonna stand by my, my original answer.

497
00:19:54.165 --> 00:19:56.825
Um, alright James, the other one, the last,

498
00:19:57.505 --> 00:19:59.465
I think we'll do one more for the time that we have.

499
00:19:59.465 --> 00:20:02.465
Have, um, and I really wanna get into this

500
00:20:02.895 --> 00:20:04.785
because I can't wait.

501
00:20:05.365 --> 00:20:06.985
If you could rewrite one rule on

502
00:20:06.985 --> 00:20:09.385
IndyCar
<v Speaker 1>, I knew you were going with this one.</v>

503
00:20:10.495 --> 00:20:12.025
Okay. Well you, you clearly

504
00:20:12.025 --> 00:20:13.265
have one that you're thinking of.

505
00:20:13.285 --> 00:20:14.305
So you start I went

506
00:20:14.305 --> 00:20:16.185
<v Speaker 2>First, last time pal. Oh shoot.</v>

507
00:20:16.215 --> 00:20:18.465
<v Speaker 1>Okay, well I gotta, I gotta think for</v>

508
00:20:18.465 --> 00:20:19.465
<v Speaker 2>A second.</v>

509
00:20:19.465 --> 00:20:20.505
Alright, I'll go first. Okay.

510
00:20:21.025 --> 00:20:23.345
I think everyone's default that they're gonna go

511
00:20:23.345 --> 00:20:25.505
to is all close closing the pits, right?

512
00:20:25.895 --> 00:20:28.145
There's, there's so many re closing the pits under yellow.

513
00:20:28.555 --> 00:20:30.785
Right? That's been, that's a dead horse's been

514
00:20:30.785 --> 00:20:32.025
beat too, too many times.

515
00:20:32.285 --> 00:20:34.105
I'm not gonna choose that one. I know. Yeah.

516
00:20:34.525 --> 00:20:39.065
<v Speaker 1>I'm not</v>
<v Speaker 2>About that one. My number one rule that I hate,</v>

517
00:20:39.805 --> 00:20:42.905
or I guess it's a lack of a rule, is

518
00:20:43.485 --> 00:20:45.385
not command blue cars.

519
00:20:45.685 --> 00:20:47.445
Oh yeah. Until you are a lockdown

520
00:20:47.785 --> 00:20:52.485
to the entire field is the most stupid thing on earth.

521
00:20:52.625 --> 00:20:54.525
And we are the only racing series that does it.

522
00:20:55.315 --> 00:20:58.005
<v Speaker 1>It's so funny, man. 'cause I, I was, oh, you know, I,</v>

523
00:20:58.125 --> 00:20:59.325
I re rewatched the whole season.

524
00:20:59.335 --> 00:21:02.005
Fires me up in prep for the next season, right?

525
00:21:02.065 --> 00:21:03.765
So I'm, I've been going through all the races

526
00:21:03.825 --> 00:21:05.685
and the number of times this comes up

527
00:21:05.685 --> 00:21:06.885
like on a road track Oh.

528
00:21:07.065 --> 00:21:08.605
And you're just like, uh,

529
00:21:08.665 --> 00:21:10.485
but didn't they change the rule last year where

530
00:21:10.485 --> 00:21:12.725
that if you're like the last car in the lead lap,

531
00:21:12.785 --> 00:21:15.365
you can no longer use your push to pass

532
00:21:15.505 --> 00:21:17.045
to defend against the leaders.

533
00:21:17.555 --> 00:21:19.445
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Great. Okay. Okay. You're halfway there.</v>

534
00:21:19.795 --> 00:21:20.805
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's get the other</v>

535
00:21:20.805 --> 00:21:21.805
<v Speaker 2>Half of the</v>
<v Speaker 1>Way there.</v>

536
00:21:21.805 --> 00:21:23.245
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just wanna make sure that we did,

537
00:21:23.425 --> 00:21:25.525
we we're, we moved directionally correct.

538
00:21:25.665 --> 00:21:29.285
Yes. But yes, that one is, that one is pretty bad. Yeah.

539
00:21:29.385 --> 00:21:32.805
Um, yeah, it's, it's, I think it's hard to beat that one.

540
00:21:33.085 --> 00:21:34.605
Honestly. The, it's just

541
00:21:34.915 --> 00:21:37.645
<v Speaker 2>Asinine</v>
<v Speaker 1>From, from a, from a racer standpoint</v>

542
00:21:37.645 --> 00:21:38.765
and like I get where it came from.

543
00:21:38.765 --> 00:21:42.205
That rule was born from the fact that like, originally

544
00:21:42.675 --> 00:21:44.405
<v Speaker 2>When we had 14 ovals a year,</v>

545
00:21:44.625 --> 00:21:47.605
<v Speaker 1>But, but also I wanna say there was a time when the rule</v>

546
00:21:47.825 --> 00:21:52.245
was the command blew kicked in once you were a

547
00:21:52.245 --> 00:21:53.325
lap down to the leader.

548
00:21:54.485 --> 00:21:57.575
Okay? So don't, don't quote me my, I'm old

549
00:21:57.575 --> 00:22:00.895
and I've hit the wall a lot, but I, I think the rule was

550
00:22:01.515 --> 00:22:03.615
the last car in the lead lap didn't have to,

551
00:22:03.615 --> 00:22:05.135
there was no blue flag for the leader,

552
00:22:05.795 --> 00:22:07.895
but once they were a lap down to the leader,

553
00:22:08.285 --> 00:22:09.335
they got a blue flag

554
00:22:09.335 --> 00:22:10.975
and everyone else they had to move over for.

555
00:22:11.515 --> 00:22:12.815
And there was a bit of an uproar

556
00:22:12.815 --> 00:22:14.855
that like whoever was leading was

557
00:22:14.855 --> 00:22:16.055
essentially being disadvantaged.

558
00:22:16.135 --> 00:22:18.215
'cause they had to actually work to get by this car

559
00:22:18.435 --> 00:22:21.095
and would lose time and everyone else just got a free pass.

560
00:22:21.445 --> 00:22:22.815
Sure. So then I think the rule

561
00:22:22.815 --> 00:22:24.255
became, oh yeah, you're right.

562
00:22:24.565 --> 00:22:26.375
Everybody has to work hard to get

563
00:22:26.375 --> 00:22:29.175
by rather than everybody gets a free pass.

564
00:22:29.955 --> 00:22:31.615
So I do think that's something I,

565
00:22:31.775 --> 00:22:34.175
I get in theory the concept like, you wanna try

566
00:22:34.175 --> 00:22:35.855
to stay in the lead lap because if you get a yellow

567
00:22:35.855 --> 00:22:37.455
and all that stuff, which is not

568
00:22:37.455 --> 00:22:39.175
as prevalent in other series, right?

569
00:22:39.275 --> 00:22:41.255
So that's why they may be less inclined to do that.

570
00:22:41.875 --> 00:22:43.535
But I'm with you. That is a good one.

571
00:22:43.995 --> 00:22:47.335
If I was a putting on my broadcasters hat,

572
00:22:48.345 --> 00:22:50.645
here's a rule that I'm not sure if I've ever talked

573
00:22:50.645 --> 00:22:52.685
to you about this, but this is a, like an idea that,

574
00:22:53.435 --> 00:22:57.495
that I came up with After.

575
00:22:59.465 --> 00:23:01.305
I wanna say it was after, um,

576
00:23:02.545 --> 00:23:04.875
there's a couple different qualifying scenarios

577
00:23:04.875 --> 00:23:07.755
that have come up that have highlighted this

578
00:23:10.075 --> 00:23:12.295
in qualifying at least maybe not in practice,

579
00:23:12.295 --> 00:23:14.735
but in qualifying I would like to do away

580
00:23:14.735 --> 00:23:16.295
with the alt start finish line.

581
00:23:16.325 --> 00:23:17.935
Okay. I would like qualifying

582
00:23:18.035 --> 00:23:19.975
to be done on the start finish line.

583
00:23:20.115 --> 00:23:22.535
And here's why. When you get down, actually, you know what,

584
00:23:22.995 --> 00:23:27.815
no, I want the fast six, just the fast six to be done

585
00:23:28.895 --> 00:23:30.035
on the official timing line.

586
00:23:30.215 --> 00:23:33.315
Reason being from a TV perspective, right?

587
00:23:36.055 --> 00:23:38.435
You often have the last, you know,

588
00:23:38.435 --> 00:23:40.355
you gotta wait till the last car is across the line.

589
00:23:40.865 --> 00:23:42.515
Okay? At most tracks,

590
00:23:42.515 --> 00:23:45.465
by the time the last car's across the line, four

591
00:23:45.485 --> 00:23:47.785
of the other five are already in the pit lane.

592
00:23:48.215 --> 00:23:52.745
Okay. IndyCar has a, has a deal with NTT where,

593
00:23:53.045 --> 00:23:55.625
you know, that's, it's the, it's the NTT pole award

594
00:23:56.285 --> 00:23:59.505
and the pole sitting car's gotta be like carted down to the

595
00:24:00.725 --> 00:24:02.165
NTT pit stall, right?

596
00:24:02.165 --> 00:24:05.845
Mm-hmm . Which if you are the first guy across the line,

597
00:24:05.845 --> 00:24:06.845
you're already in your box

598
00:24:07.105 --> 00:24:09.045
and you're sitting in your car and you're just waiting

599
00:24:09.115 --> 00:24:10.525
<v Speaker 2>Just sweating. Yeah. Just</v>

600
00:24:10.765 --> 00:24:11.765
<v Speaker 1>Sweating and waiting.</v>

601
00:24:11.945 --> 00:24:14.525
And then when you get the, hey, you're the pole sitter,

602
00:24:14.585 --> 00:24:16.965
you're in your car and you can't really do anything mm-hmm .

603
00:24:17.045 --> 00:24:18.165
Or like you're already outta your car

604
00:24:18.225 --> 00:24:19.805
and you kind of knew you were gonna be on pole.

605
00:24:19.905 --> 00:24:21.205
So you've already high fived all your

606
00:24:21.205 --> 00:24:22.245
guy, there's no energy.

607
00:24:22.265 --> 00:24:24.885
Oh, then the crew's gotta like push the car down mm-hmm .

608
00:24:24.965 --> 00:24:27.205
Pit lane to get to the NTT pit thing

609
00:24:27.205 --> 00:24:29.925
and it's like all the energy is gone,

610
00:24:30.065 --> 00:24:31.525
all the excitement is gone.

611
00:24:31.545 --> 00:24:33.285
The drama of the moment is dead.

612
00:24:34.145 --> 00:24:37.005
And so if you have it where they have

613
00:24:37.005 --> 00:24:38.445
to do a full cool down lap,

614
00:24:39.385 --> 00:24:42.125
the guy lock guy crosses the line, Hey man, you're on pole.

615
00:24:42.385 --> 00:24:43.965
You get that reaction in the car,

616
00:24:44.465 --> 00:24:45.685
you get the driver on the radio.

617
00:24:45.875 --> 00:24:48.005
Yeah. Yeah boys, well done, well done.

618
00:24:48.585 --> 00:24:52.245
And then the crew can all relocate to the NTT pit

619
00:24:52.585 --> 00:24:54.125
and the car can just drive there.

620
00:24:54.665 --> 00:24:56.045
And then that way you get the, the,

621
00:24:56.105 --> 00:24:58.405
the instantaneous reaction of everybody.

622
00:24:59.575 --> 00:25:02.535
Hmm. So you get some radio interaction, you get a more, so

623
00:25:02.535 --> 00:25:04.455
<v Speaker 2>My only, my only question is yes,</v>

624
00:25:04.605 --> 00:25:08.095
from a broadcast standpoint, that's way better

625
00:25:08.095 --> 00:25:09.095
<v Speaker 1>Purely</v>
<v Speaker 2>A TV thing.</v>

626
00:25:09.095 --> 00:25:11.775
Would they be able to do that with timelines

627
00:25:11.995 --> 00:25:13.615
and like how would then sectors work?

628
00:25:14.055 --> 00:25:15.415
<v Speaker 1>I again, I don't know, but I have</v>

629
00:25:15.415 --> 00:25:17.415
to feel like in the break between Q2

630
00:25:17.575 --> 00:25:21.995
and Q3, they could just set the system up to be like,

631
00:25:22.055 --> 00:25:23.595
we are going off this timeline now.

632
00:25:23.955 --> 00:25:25.395
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I mean the sectors</v>

633
00:25:26.195 --> 00:25:28.595
'cause well I guess IndyCar doesn't do

634
00:25:28.595 --> 00:25:29.635
sectors on the broadcast.

635
00:25:29.665 --> 00:25:32.635
It's like a rolling delta, so it doesn't really matter.

636
00:25:32.865 --> 00:25:35.755
Yeah, right. Okay. No, I was thinking like in F1 words.

637
00:25:36.025 --> 00:25:37.875
Yeah. Yeah. How would you do sector one, two, and three?

638
00:25:37.875 --> 00:25:40.635
But they don't do that. Um, okay, I like it.

639
00:25:41.375 --> 00:25:43.035
I'm here for it. Make it happen.

640
00:25:43.035 --> 00:25:44.475
<v Speaker 1>Alright. Just put</v>
<v Speaker 2>That forward for those that listen,</v>

641
00:25:45.585 --> 00:25:46.585
<v Speaker 1>Have that power.</v>

642
00:25:46.585 --> 00:25:49.035
So, uh, Mr. Bulls, if you're listening, uh, let's go ahead

643
00:25:49.035 --> 00:25:51.515
and make some slight adjustments there. 'cause I think it'd

644
00:25:51.515 --> 00:25:52.515
<v Speaker 2>Be fun.</v>

645
00:25:52.515 --> 00:25:52.755
Oh yeah, brother. And while you're at it,

646
00:25:52.755 --> 00:25:54.795
all right fast six single car qualifying. Thanks, bye.

647
00:25:55.175 --> 00:25:56.555
<v Speaker 1>Really? You want that? I'd</v>

648
00:25:56.555 --> 00:25:57.555
<v Speaker 2>Love that.</v>

649
00:25:57.555 --> 00:25:58.035
But let's talk about that on Thursday.

650
00:25:58.445 --> 00:25:59.795
<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about that on Thursday.</v>

651
00:25:59.925 --> 00:26:03.755
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