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This is, is off track.
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Hello and welcome to a uh, Tuesday episode
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of Off Track Attention Rossi.
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Uh, we're all here because we've got a very important guest.
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Um, he's really just here
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because he also is a fellow Golden Doodle owner.
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Um, but yes, we've got, uh, Wayne Taylor Racing
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Cadillac driver, Jordan Taylor.
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Um, Jordan, first question, uh,
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have you ever been dumb enough
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to get a sports car dropped on your foot?
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Uh, yeah. I don't think mine was a dumb situation.
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I blame someone else. But I'm curious to hear
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how James Foot was actually under the car
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when it did come down.
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Are you doing your own driver changes or how
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That Oh, happen?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. We have to do it ourselves
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and I am dumb Jordan.
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And, um, I can tell you
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that we did exactly zero hot driver changes in practice.
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Did you do any hot laps in practice on
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That note?
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I did 10, I did 10 laps in practice at night. Cool.
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Even though I was never planning to run in the race at
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night, we're, look, we're, this is not about me.
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This is not about you. Yeah. Ums.
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So the answer is no, Jordan hasn't.
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Um, which is good because I want to,
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before we talk about racing, I wanna talk about
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your latest venture.
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Um, dude, insane, big insane, ultra insane Iron Man guy,
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which for those that don't know, can you please explain,
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because I am so in awe of what you accomplish,
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like your racing career, cool, whatever, like nice ,
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but like what you did a couple months ago.
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Can you just walk the viewers through what that was?
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Yeah, so an ultra man is a three day event.
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Day one is a 6.2 mile swim and 90 mile bike.
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Day two is 161 mile bike.
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And day three is a double marathon.
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And each each day is, uh, 12 hour cutoff time.
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So if you make it in like 1159,
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you're good to go to the next day.
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If you finish in 1201, you can't move on to the next day,
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so you go home.
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Uh, so it was, yeah, pretty interesting experience.
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What was, I imagine day three was obviously the hardest.
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Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Okay.
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Yeah. Um, but tell tell everyone like what you,
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what your times were for each day,
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because I think I was most impressed.
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Like I, I think a lot of people
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that follow you on social media know
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that you're a pretty strong cyclist
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and you spent a lot of time on the bike and everything,
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but your swim was unbelievable.
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Uh, I was surprised about the swim as well.
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Um, yeah, I think the,
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the swim time was like three hours under three hours, 20.
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Um, and yeah, like, uh, the lake there was gross.
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Everyone knows Florida's got alligators.
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Um, so like, you get in the water
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and like, you literally couldn't see your hand
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like this close to your face.
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Like it was pitch black, the water. Okay.
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Uh, but Ricky, my brother kayaked next to me the whole way.
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So basically like every 30
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or 45 minutes I'd stop, have like a gel, have a drink.
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Uh, and yeah, like the nice thing about like when you do
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open water swim, like you have to like cite
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where you're going, like to see where you're going.
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And having Ricky next to me, like I didn't have
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to look forward at all, which was a bit of a time saver
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and energy saver, but yeah,
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it felt like an eternity of, of swimming.
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Does everybody not have somebody
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beside them for that very reason?
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No. So like the funny thing? No.
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So you have to have a kayaker with you. Okay. Yeah.
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Um, like, it's mandatory,
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but like when you jump in the water at the beginning
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of the event, like you swim out to this buoy
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and all 30, 45 kayakers are out there
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and you've gotta find your guy.
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Oh man. It's like the sun still hasn't come
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up all the way, so it's dark.
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So you have no, like, they,
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everyone in the water looks the same
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because you have a wetsuit and a swim cap on.
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They all look the same because they're just
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bundled up in a, in a hoodie. Did you start
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Yelling like, Ricky?
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I was like, I, I like spotted him.
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Like when I was like looking to my right, I'm like,
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Ricke, ricke .
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Like obviously he can't tell where that's coming from,
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but eventually we found each other
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and like, it was just, it was mayhem at the beginning.
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But as soon as like you kind of filter out, you kind
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of find the people that you're kind of similar paced with
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and you're kind of around them most of the time.
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And like we were, we focused a lot on like our efficiency
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of like our little pit stops.
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And I felt like that's where we were making up a lot of time
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where other guys are like taking their time,
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like taking their gel and like every second kind of counts,
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even though it doesn't, but like over three days.
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Over three days, like you have a hundred pit stops. Yeah.
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So it's gonna add up at some point.
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It's a era mentality. Yeah.
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My, my biggest question is just why. Yeah. That was,
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I was gonna also, I was gonna ask
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that
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because I people too easy.
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I Yeah, like exactly. You've done those
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and I obviously Finn is a big part of your life.
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You have a competitive outlet in, you know, your job.
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Uh, so what is it that motivates someone
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to want to Tim, Tim?
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Are we boring torture themselves? , uh,
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Sorry.
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Tim had a big three mile run yesterday. Yeah. Yeah.
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It was four. It was four with no AirPods he had to do.
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Yeah, he had to do it with just his thoughts,
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which is a terrifying thought in itself. Right.
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We we're not allowed to listen to music either in ours
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The whole time.
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Oh. Like even on the bike, the run, nothing,
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Yeah. You're just out there with your helmets.
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Um,
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I don't really know why, why I wanna do it.
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I think I did two Ironmans
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and I was like, the Ironman's hurt for sure.
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Like, like you have to push yourself to get a time.
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And I feel like with the Ultraman it was more
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about like just finishing it.
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So I'm like, it's gonna be a long kind of adventure.
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And like multi-day events always intrigued me, like
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how you recover and like how much you kind
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of save yourself on day one
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to have a good day two and kind of pacing.
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It was interesting. Um,
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and also like race car drivers always call themselves
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athletes and I'm like, I'm gonna do something
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that no other driver can say they did
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because like a couple of guys have done Iron Mans Yeah.
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And these things and they like to brag about it.
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I'm like, well watch this. Come to an ultra man. Yeah.
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And I like was like none of them have
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Probably . Yeah.
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Don't have as much free time.
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Maybe . Um,
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but I liked someone commented like, uh,
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something about like, and
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and people say race, race car drivers aren't athletes
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and I just wanna respond, like show me another race car
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driver that's actually done an ultraman then,
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which I kind of a dig back.
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So are you, um, do you like, are you that guy
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that has the bumper sticker, but instead
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of it being like 70.3, it's like seven 38,222.
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Yeah,
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I just wear the backpack
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around to let people know. Oh yeah.
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It's subtle. It's one of those things
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where like if, you know, you know.
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Right, exactly. If someone see that like,
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Hang on a minute, that
Guy's nuts.
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Okay. So sorry.
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You know. Fine. So, okay. Uh, you did that. Great.
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Let's talk about, let's talk about racing.
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So, um, I think a lot of people know you, uh, and,
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and a lot of your career in the beginning.
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So you actually, I raced against you and,
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and Ricky and Skip Barber.
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Um, you kind of went to way Great. Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
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We had some heated
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battles,
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I think Alex was like 12 when
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he started to skip over though. ?
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Yeah. Uh, yes. I was very young. Yeah.
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Um, and then you kind of went, uh, the sports car route.
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Um, you had a lot of success there
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and kind of the Daytona prototypes, the original kind
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of big old, I remember the SunTrust car and,
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and that was your guys' thing.
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And then as IMSA started to take off Wayne Taylor racing,
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um, you and your brother had a huge amount of success,
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uh, with Cadillac.
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Um, Daytona, 24 hour wins, yada yada, yada.
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And then you made a very interesting decision, um,
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and kind of left that, that zone
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of success and um,
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probably comfort in some, in some respects.
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Familiarity. Familiarity.
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'cause you knew everyone and um, had kind of grown up
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with the team and became a
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GM Chevrolet Corvette factory driver.
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So walk us through kind of that decision process.
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Was it a hard decision, easy decision,
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and what made you ultimately go the the
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the Chevy factory route?
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Yeah, I think, yeah,
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I think you kind of hit all the points.
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Like it was very comfortable being kind of on my dad's team
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and with family and growing up with everyone.
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And like I was a professional driver doing those things
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and we were winning races.
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But at the end of the day, you feel like
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it doesn't feel like a job, I guess.
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Like you feel like you're just going to do stuff
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with friends and, and family.
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And, uh, Ricky and I had won the championship together.
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We won Daytona and Sebring.
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So like we had checked all of our boxes off
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and he got hired to go to Penske
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and kind of moved on with his career.
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And I stuck around with WTR, I think two more years.
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And I was a third driver at Corvette
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for quite a while doing Lamar with them.
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And they had an opening and they made an offer
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and I was like, I was like happy to stay at WTR,
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but I was like, this could be a cool kind
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of transition in my career to go
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to like a proper factory team and effort.
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And the class back then was GTLM,
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which was super intriguing.
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Like a proper factory, you know, program.
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Like you're developing tires with Michelin just
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for your car, you're doing tons
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of tire testing. Lamont. Yeah, those,
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Those are badass cars. Like they
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Were cool.
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Yeah, like really cool cars, like unlimited development.
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Like if you have an idea, go back to the team,
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they're gonna go develop a new part for the next weekend.
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Uh, it was all homologated, but you could do a lot of work.
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So even though you had that aspect of it,
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did you at all miss the ultimate performance of
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what the DPI CAR was at the time, or not really?
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It was different. Um,
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like the TTM cars were impressive to drive.
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Uh, like the grip of the tire was insane.
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Like understanding how the tires worked was a huge aspect
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of GTLM, which I still carry over now
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to prototypes is understanding, you know, how
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to bring a tire in, how to maximize, how
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to bring in like a front versus a rear
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for like a qualifying run.
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Like I learned a lot about tire development in that kind
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of era and just the competition, like I, the cars were
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so close and the competition was so close.
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Like I've never studied as much data as I did back then
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because, you know, we had like Nick Tandy, Antonio Garcia,
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Tommy Milner, Nikki, Casper Sims, like a lot
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of really good guys on our team where like the cars are
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so refined, like you're looking for like hundreds
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of seconds all the time.
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So I've, I've never dug through so much data in my life kind
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of trying to find little bits.
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So I felt like it was an interesting part where
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I focused a lot on myself as a driver to kind
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of push myself more than I was in prototypes
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because I felt in prototypes, like you just,
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you're just pushing the car the whole time.
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And I felt like G TM was much more like precise driving
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because you don't have the horsepower
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to save you and all these little things.
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So it was definitely different.
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Um, but when it went away from GTLM to GT three cars,
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I was like, all right, I don't love this as much anymore. ,
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I gotta find a way to get, get outta here.
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But uh, I love, yeah, I love that time of my career though.
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Like I always saw myself as a GT driver when I grew up.
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'cause I grew up doing GT cars
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and Ricky was the prototype guy.
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So going back to GT
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and having some success again, like I felt good about that
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and kind of representing success GT drivers. Yeah.
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Things like that. You know,
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just whatever these little things. Yeah.
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But I felt good like coming back to prototypes now,
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like representing the GT guys being like
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GT guys should be respected for what they do.
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'cause I feel like a lot of guys
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don't get the praise they should.
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And like everyone's good in this grid
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and the prototype guys kind
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of beating up on GT drivers a lot of the time
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and like they know what they're doing as well.
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But that's a fascinating part of it, right?
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Because at the end of the day, yes,
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a race car is a race car,
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but there are very different styles that it takes
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to get lap time out of one versus the other.
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And there are some drivers that are just
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unbelievable in a GT car.
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And you could take, I don't care Max for staff
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and friend of <inaudible>, you can take anybody you want out
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of anything in the world and it's gonna be really tough
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to beat them in a GT car,
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but that doesn't necessarily mean you chuck 'em in a
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prototype and they're gonna be awesome.
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And vice versa. There are recent examples of guys
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that had a lot of prototype experience got put into a GT car
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or maybe guys from Open Wheel that come into a GT car
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and struggled to find the,
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you are not the one I was referring to, Alex.
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No. Um, but it's but true.
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Well you did one race that doesn't count. Um, but
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No, I mean I didn't barely drive.
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I mean, I mean, well we didn't finish a lot,
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we drove a lot, a lot of laps down, but yeah, .
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But so I mean is does that,
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the fact that you've been one of those kind
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of hybrid drivers that's had tremendous success both in a GT
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car and in a prototype car,
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is that a bit of a badge of honor?
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And is that, do you kind of walk around the paddock being,
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being like a, a little more
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of an authoritative figure on this topic you slap?
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Do you year ultra marathon sticker? Yeah. Yeah.
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Is that on your backpack?
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so I got three things now. .
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Yeah. Uh, no, I mean, I like to think that I was able
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to do both and be kinda like a hybrid as you said.
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Um, because like there's, yeah, there aren't a lot of guys
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who have, I guess have won in both.
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Like Tandy obviously is one
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that's been super successful on both sides, A lot
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of the PORs drivers, some of the BMW guys.
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But yeah, like I always saw myself, it's a short list.
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Yeah, it is a short list. Um,
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but I don't know, I, I just like
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that I'm, I was able to do both.
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I think if guys are humble enough to kind of wanna learn,
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like if you're a prototype guy, you think going
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to GT is like a step down
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and I don't like that kind of mentality and aspect
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and I see, I think a lot of the guys still see it that way.
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Um, and then when they, when they go to GT
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and they don't have a lot of success,
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it's like there's some sort of excuse for,
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for why didn't go that way, right?
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So, um, I don't know.
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I I've always said like when you watch the MX five cup races
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and they're like crazy, like the best the top,
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It's his dream right there the
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Best.
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But like the top guys in those cars,
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like those guys are so good.
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Like yeah, they're so good.
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I say put them in another car, they're gonna learn how
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to drive it and they're gonna be in the front.
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Like I think at any level of racing, if they've been there
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for a couple years and they're at the top consistently,
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they could probably drive anything.
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Well isn't that the Connor Zi example?
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Like didn't he come from MX five cop? Yeah. Yeah, that's
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True.
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And
He's been, he's wins in everything.
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He's that kid on loop,
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So.
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Alright, so fast forward to 2024, um,
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and you come back to Wayne Taylor racing Cadillac returns
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to Wayne Taylor racing after, um, WTR was with Acura
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for four years, I believe.
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Um, and it was kind of a reunion of sorts.
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So Ricky was, was obviously on the team, you were back, um,
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a little bit of a different guise with
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the Andretti name involved in everything,
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but still ultimately, like Brian Pillar,
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the technical director and,
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and a lot of the main people were still there.
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Um, I I'm just gonna go out and say it.
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I, I, I'm curious to know your thoughts
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because I was expecting that the Wayne Taylor racing
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Cadillac, like was gonna dominate
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everything kind of from the beginning.
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And, and, and maybe that's an unfair assumption,
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but I, I feel like a lot of the conversations that I had,
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especially when I was there for that short period
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of time was like a lot of the mentality had to shift from
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what they had previously experienced with the Cadillac,
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then the ura
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and I obviously understand that a lot has changed from DPI
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to GTP and everything,
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but kind of walk us through how that transition has been
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and maybe how it's met expectations in some areas and
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and failed to meet expectations in others.
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Yeah, I think it has been a, a big transition.
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I think the DPIs were relatively like simple
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cars compared to what we have now.
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And yeah, the team being with kind of Acura
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and HRC for a couple years, like they helped develop
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that car into what it is basically like Philippe
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and Ricky, like that's their dash page,
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that's their steering wheel layout.
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Like they did all that stuff, they were hands on with it.
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Um, and coming to Cadillac now,
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like it's something completely different.
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Like it's the same wheel, but every button
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has a different label on it.
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All the systems are different.
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So I think coming in it's such a different car
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to learn and be on top of.
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And we had two days of testing before Daytona.
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We had two days with one car before Sebring.
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So I feel like we are just a little
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behind just being on top of things.
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I think from a strategy point of view, pit stops, those sort
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of things, like those are all clicking, those are fine,
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but we were missing a couple tenths this weekend in Sebring
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to the 31, uh, Daytona.
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I feel like all the
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Cadillacs were a little bit off the pace.
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Uh, but I don't know, I feel like we are gonna be strong.
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I think even through the race at Sebring, we kind
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of got closer to everyone through the event.
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Like in the night we were the strongest,
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we were all weekend at the end of the race.
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So yeah, I think it was a little bit of a slower start.
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Obviously we would've wanted to be fighting
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for the winds both through races,
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but uh, like we had the incident in Daytona,
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we had an incident in Seabring.
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Um, there's just, there have been a couple little mistakes,
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but I think, you know, come Long Beach, I feel like
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we should be much stronger there.
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Jordan, there's an element of of sports car racing that
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I love that is working
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with other drivers on the same car, right?
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Because in most other forms of racing,
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it's one driver per car,
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you're super selfish, it's all about you.
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Your teammate is the first person you wanna beat
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and can be your best friend
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or your mortal enemy depending on how you wanna approach it.
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But then in sports, car racing,
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you get to work with other drivers.
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Their success is your success.
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Yes, there are examples where, you know,
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those inner car battles are toxic and painful
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because some guys have the wrong approach,
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but for the most part it's, it's pretty harmonious
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and you're all working together to get that car better.
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Now what I've never experienced in sports cars is
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a multi-car team.
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And so I'm curious as to how
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that dynamic is on a multi-car team.
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So you've got your group
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of 2, 3, 4 depending on the race drivers on your car,
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but then you still have a teammate car
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with their two, three or four drivers.
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And it's the same philosophy.
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Your teammate could be your best friend
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or also the person you have to beat most.
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Is there that same sort of rivalry car to car in that sort
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of environment as you see in other kinds of racing?
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I don't think it's quite as bad
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as probably like an indie car
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or a Formula one, I think where you're head to head
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and that guy's your number one enemy.
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I think the WR culture like, like Alex knows is pretty open
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and like you want, when we look for drivers,
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like we want guys that'll mesh pretty well.
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We don't want guys coming in with egos.
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Like when we had Alonzo, that was kind of a tough cookie
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to, to understand .
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There's certain guys that like you'll accept.
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Um, but like with our current group
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and last year's group, like we all get along really well.
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So like our debriefs with eight drivers, we kind of discuss
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between the cars of, of what we learned, what we feel,
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and there's honestly very little ego,
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which is surprising having eight guys.
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Um, and if one guy feels good, like he'll, everyone's open
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with what they've learned on the track.
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If they find something with bumps
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or curbs, like everyone's pretty open with that.
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Uh, at Corvette when it was kind of a little bit more heated
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and like you're really head to head kind of more,
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I'd say F1 style, like I think there were kind
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of some drivers that would kind
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of hold some secrets on their side
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and that's when you kinda have to go dig in the data
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to kind of learn something.
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And maybe some guy's not showing something in practice
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and he say if for qualifying in the race.
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But I feel like with where we are at WTR,
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everyone's very open.
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Like Alex has worked with Philippe
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and Ricky, like two super honest guys.
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Louie is super honest. Uh, Brendan was one
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of the nicest people on the planet.
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Um, Jensen was easy to work with.
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So yeah, I think the team's done a good
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job with finding the right guys.
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So you've had, you've had the ability to race with,
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I mean you name those names
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and those are kind of all I would say in the upper echelon
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of, of some of the best drivers globally in any category.
507
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You know, Brendan Hartley open wheel
508
00:19:46.765 --> 00:19:48.625
or not like, has had a huge amount of success.
509
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Um, who would you put as like the one guy,
510
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if you had to choose one that was like you,
511
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you thought was the hardest to beat, the hardest to match
512
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or just had the most amount of pace, you know,
513
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that you've been one-on-one teammates with?
514
00:20:05.425 --> 00:20:07.185
Hmm, that's tough. Um,
515
00:20:08.625 --> 00:20:10.945
I mean was it Alonzo or, or was it someone?
516
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I think, I mean, 'cause I think
517
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everyone default to think it was him.
518
00:20:13.975 --> 00:20:16.705
Yeah. I mean he was obviously very good.
519
00:20:17.105 --> 00:20:21.145
I think, um, yeah, it was, we were actually talking
520
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with Who were you like, yeah, we were talking
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with Brendan this weekend about it.
522
00:20:24.325 --> 00:20:26.025
And I think like there's guys
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with like a natural feeling and ability.
524
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There's guys that work a little bit harder.
525
00:20:30.665 --> 00:20:34.415
I think Kamui, Fernando, um,
526
00:20:35.195 --> 00:20:38.055
and Antonio Garcia, like those three that I've been with,
527
00:20:38.135 --> 00:20:39.535
I think those are very natural drivers
528
00:20:39.565 --> 00:20:40.695
that drive on instinct.
529
00:20:41.525 --> 00:20:43.735
Like as soon as they're in the car, like their first
530
00:20:43.735 --> 00:20:46.135
or second lap, like they're already having like light front
531
00:20:46.205 --> 00:20:47.965
locking into the first corner.
532
00:20:48.555 --> 00:20:51.405
Like they're instantly on the pace, instantly up to speed,
533
00:20:51.405 --> 00:20:52.605
instantly at the, at the limit
534
00:20:53.545 --> 00:20:56.405
and zero fear for making mistakes.
535
00:20:56.425 --> 00:20:57.565
So like they drive to the limit
536
00:20:57.585 --> 00:20:59.045
and they're like, if I make a mistake,
537
00:20:59.085 --> 00:21:00.245
I know I'm gonna catch it, basically.
538
00:21:00.745 --> 00:21:02.445
And then there's guys who I think work a little harder
539
00:21:02.905 --> 00:21:04.525
and like maybe build up to it
540
00:21:04.585 --> 00:21:06.565
and then everyone kind of gets to the same pace.
541
00:21:06.665 --> 00:21:09.325
But I'd say like those three guys get to
542
00:21:09.325 --> 00:21:10.845
that pace very quickly and get to work.
543
00:21:11.625 --> 00:21:14.045
Um, but it also, like when you watch their on boards,
544
00:21:14.045 --> 00:21:16.765
it looks like a little bit more risk versus reward.
545
00:21:16.765 --> 00:21:19.325
Like, like mayhem. Just yeah, like something's gonna happen.
546
00:21:19.545 --> 00:21:23.605
And like with Alonzo, like he was, and,
547
00:21:23.605 --> 00:21:24.725
and Kamui that first year,
548
00:21:24.725 --> 00:21:26.885
like I was watching both their boards obviously a lot just
549
00:21:26.885 --> 00:21:30.005
to see what they're doing and you're like, oh, oh, oh,
550
00:21:30.035 --> 00:21:31.445
like take it easy.
551
00:21:31.515 --> 00:21:32.925
Like, oh man, something's gonna happen.
552
00:21:33.155 --> 00:21:34.205
Your heart rate's going up.
553
00:21:34.205 --> 00:21:35.645
Just watching the Yeah, just watching.
554
00:21:35.825 --> 00:21:37.365
And I mean, they don't make mistakes,
555
00:21:37.385 --> 00:21:38.725
but you're like always waiting for
556
00:21:38.725 --> 00:21:40.845
that little thing just, but that's their style.
557
00:21:40.865 --> 00:21:44.685
And I think for me, like growing up in sports, car racing,
558
00:21:45.665 --> 00:21:48.125
you know, a 24 hour or like 18 hours doesn't matter.
559
00:21:48.755 --> 00:21:51.285
Like I get in the habit in a long endurance race
560
00:21:51.285 --> 00:21:53.565
of like not pushing, not taking any risk
561
00:21:53.825 --> 00:21:55.285
and just like cruising around.
562
00:21:55.945 --> 00:21:57.565
And I think that's a bad habit to get into
563
00:21:57.565 --> 00:21:59.565
because then when I do have to push 'em, like, all right,
564
00:21:59.785 --> 00:22:01.085
I'm gonna be uncomfortable now.
565
00:22:01.165 --> 00:22:02.285
Like getting to that limit.
566
00:22:02.985 --> 00:22:05.405
And I think having guys like that, that are just so used
567
00:22:05.405 --> 00:22:07.205
to being on the limit, um,
568
00:22:07.655 --> 00:22:09.565
helps me realize like maybe I need
569
00:22:09.565 --> 00:22:10.685
to be a little more uncomfortable
570
00:22:10.685 --> 00:22:11.725
most of the time when I'm driving.
571
00:22:11.785 --> 00:22:13.605
So when I do have to take that chance,
572
00:22:13.675 --> 00:22:15.765
like it's a little bit more of a natural feeling.
573
00:22:15.865 --> 00:22:18.205
And that's probably something like you guys are used
574
00:22:18.205 --> 00:22:19.845
to in Indy car where like you're always pushing,
575
00:22:19.875 --> 00:22:22.605
like when a Dixon or a Palou comes into our, our sport now,
576
00:22:22.605 --> 00:22:24.445
like they're always on the limit pushing
577
00:22:25.465 --> 00:22:26.925
and like,
578
00:22:27.075 --> 00:22:30.085
I'll just let them go on track if it's our six Daytona,
579
00:22:30.115 --> 00:22:32.565
like Dixon came by me or a Palou in Daytona
580
00:22:32.565 --> 00:22:33.605
and they're like, they're fighting.
581
00:22:33.605 --> 00:22:35.845
And I'm like, like I just like lifted
582
00:22:35.945 --> 00:22:37.005
on the straight and let them go.
583
00:22:37.005 --> 00:22:39.565
And I'm like, yeah, all I'm not gonna do this right now.
584
00:22:39.635 --> 00:22:40.965
Like, but then I was like, ah,
585
00:22:40.965 --> 00:22:42.405
maybe I should like just in case.
586
00:22:42.665 --> 00:22:45.685
Um, yeah, exactly.
587
00:22:46.385 --> 00:22:47.845
Um, so I think there's,
588
00:22:47.845 --> 00:22:50.085
there's really good lessons you can learn from such a
589
00:22:50.085 --> 00:22:52.165
different variety of guys that, that you get to drive with.
590
00:22:52.265 --> 00:22:54.085
And like Alex, I think I talked to you
591
00:22:54.085 --> 00:22:56.965
after Daytona one year when you were with Ricky at Penske,
592
00:22:56.965 --> 00:22:58.565
like we were, me
593
00:22:58.565 --> 00:22:59.925
and you were fighting a little bit in the night,
594
00:23:00.265 --> 00:23:01.365
and I think that was one
595
00:23:01.715 --> 00:23:03.005
that might have been the Alonzo year.
596
00:23:03.745 --> 00:23:07.605
And I think I was like, like I did my first stint
597
00:23:07.605 --> 00:23:08.765
and I was just cruising at the back
598
00:23:08.785 --> 00:23:11.085
and then Kamui drives to the front, Fernando drives
599
00:23:11.085 --> 00:23:13.165
to the front and I, I'm getting in for my night st I'm like,
600
00:23:13.725 --> 00:23:16.045
I looked like an idiot, like with these teammates,
601
00:23:16.045 --> 00:23:17.765
like I'm just dropped in the back every time
602
00:23:18.225 --> 00:23:19.885
and I'm like, I I'm gonna push this stint.
603
00:23:19.885 --> 00:23:21.285
And Alex was actually around me
604
00:23:21.545 --> 00:23:23.845
and I remember we went in the bus stop
605
00:23:23.845 --> 00:23:25.125
and Alex got like right next to me
606
00:23:25.125 --> 00:23:26.725
and I'm like, I'm now lifting .
607
00:23:27.245 --> 00:23:29.485
And then like, and then Alex like lifted early
608
00:23:29.905 --> 00:23:32.245
and like, like let me basically outta the corner.
609
00:23:32.265 --> 00:23:33.405
And I remember telling Ricky like,
610
00:23:33.405 --> 00:23:34.805
Alex is the perfect teammate.
611
00:23:34.805 --> 00:23:39.085
Like he's fast, it's hours eight and he is taking no risk.
612
00:23:39.115 --> 00:23:41.445
Like he is definitely the guy you want in your car.
613
00:23:41.445 --> 00:23:43.205
Like he can get the left time when he wants to,
614
00:23:43.305 --> 00:23:44.805
but he's not out there trying
615
00:23:44.805 --> 00:23:46.005
to go to the front for no reason.
616
00:23:47.435 --> 00:23:48.565
Well hey man, I was just
Scared
617
00:23:48.625 --> 00:23:49.765
man. I was just scared in the dark.
618
00:23:49.795 --> 00:23:53.805
Yeah,
. Yeah, that's a nice compliment to be paid from,
619
00:23:53.805 --> 00:23:55.205
uh, such a decorated driver.
620
00:23:55.205 --> 00:23:56.725
Thanks. And just real quick bud, thanks.
621
00:23:56.725 --> 00:23:58.045
First of all, thanks for taking the time and,
622
00:23:58.045 --> 00:23:59.685
and coming to chat with us and I just wanna leave with this,
623
00:24:00.065 --> 00:24:02.925
you have accomplished so much in your career, you know,
624
00:24:02.945 --> 00:24:03.965
be it winning Lamont,
625
00:24:03.965 --> 00:24:06.085
Daytona Sebring championships done it all.
626
00:24:06.385 --> 00:24:08.405
Is there anything left on the bucket list
627
00:24:08.465 --> 00:24:09.605
or is it just adding
628
00:24:09.705 --> 00:24:12.285
to the already impressive collection of trophies you
629
00:24:12.285 --> 00:24:13.285
Have?
630
00:24:13.285 --> 00:24:15.265
I mean, I don't know. I think obviously more
631
00:24:15.265 --> 00:24:16.345
success is always nice.
632
00:24:17.045 --> 00:24:20.065
Um, like I enjoyed my one cup race experience.
633
00:24:20.165 --> 00:24:23.025
I'd like to do another like Cup road course race mm-hmm .
634
00:24:23.245 --> 00:24:24.665
And try have a better race part
635
00:24:24.665 --> 00:24:25.705
of it to qualifying what's good.
636
00:24:27.095 --> 00:24:30.465
Yeah.
Um, but I think little things like that I enjoy,
637
00:24:30.625 --> 00:24:32.985
I think having a little bit more variety in my career again,
638
00:24:33.015 --> 00:24:35.825
like the GT stuff was fun prototypes now maybe
639
00:24:36.585 --> 00:24:37.785
I enjoyed my late model race
640
00:24:37.785 --> 00:24:39.625
that I did one year at North Wilkesboro,
641
00:24:39.685 --> 00:24:40.865
so maybe a little bit of that
642
00:24:41.205 --> 00:24:43.625
and just, uh, adding in some variety of stuff
643
00:24:43.625 --> 00:24:44.705
that I enjoy doing.
644
00:24:45.095 --> 00:24:49.345
What the parents can never answer this, but the kids can.
645
00:24:50.195 --> 00:24:51.545
Who's the favorite? You
646
00:24:51.545 --> 00:24:53.665
or, uh, Ricky from the Taylor household. ,
647
00:24:54.685 --> 00:24:59.025
Um, I'd say. Or
648
00:25:00.365 --> 00:25:01.945
You're the neighbor, right? Yeah. You're
649
00:25:01.945 --> 00:25:03.545
Next Doorly next door.
650
00:25:04.005 --> 00:25:06.665
Uh, I think my Ricky's my mom's favorite.
651
00:25:06.665 --> 00:25:08.945
Maybe I'm my dad's favorite. There we go. You
652
00:25:09.445 --> 00:25:11.025
Now, now we're gonna check in with Ricky
653
00:25:11.085 --> 00:25:13.385
and ask him the same question without any practice
654
00:25:13.965 --> 00:25:15.505
and see if he has the same answers. .
655
00:25:16.265 --> 00:25:17.985
I think I can be right. I think I'll be
656
00:25:17.985 --> 00:25:18.985
right.
,
657
00:25:19.205 --> 00:25:21.705
go. Alright. By the way, thanks so much for coming on. Yeah.
658
00:25:21.705 --> 00:25:22.785
Appreciate it. No, no worries.
659
00:25:22.785 --> 00:25:24.425
And, uh, best of luck with the rest of the season.
660
00:25:24.445 --> 00:25:25.825
Thanks guys. Talk to you soon.
661
00:25:27.255 --> 00:25:29.145
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