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This is off track.
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Alright guys, welcome to, uh, Tuesday Show Off track
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with Hinch or Rossi.
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Obviously you got me this week.
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And, um, this week's guest, very special.
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We're excited here. And I'm gonna give you a hint in case
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you're just listening and not watching on YouTube,
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because if you're watching on YouTube,
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you can see his, his beautiful face.
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But if, uh,
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you're just listening, I'm gonna give you a hint here.
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Okay, but what kind of beer is that?
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Because he chugg more light. Look, I couldn't find a
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Light, I couldn't find a Miller Light .
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Of course you put it together.
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Now we're talking to Santino Ucci. First of all, hello.
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Welcome. Thanks for coming on.
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Oh, thanks for having me, man. I appreciate it.
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Um, I'm just, I'm gonna ask the question right off the,
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so like, normally a good interviewer would like delay the
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hot topic until the end of the interview
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to keep people engaged the whole time.
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I'm going right for the throat here.
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Do you have a Miller Light sponsorship from mid Ohio?
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I do not. I wish, ah,
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Miller Light currently sponsors Penske
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and obviously the Speedway.
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So, uh, slight conflict interest.
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Well, I mean, AJ Foy Racing has a technical partnership
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with, uh, Penske.
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So why can't we have like a low key commercial partnership
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one off, just a one off.
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I'm not saying a full wrap, you know, like maybe
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Aol.
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Stick on the lids. Molson for Canada.
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your home race. There you go.
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I like that. I think we could maybe
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try to work on something there.
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Um, that'd be fun. Um, that would be fun. Okay.
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We'll work on getting Molson or some kind of brand
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because look after Connor got, depends on his car.
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After he peed himself.
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I, I just figured this was gonna be,
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the new trend was every driver
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that did something noteworthy in a race,
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we're gonna turn it into some sort
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of sponsorship the next day.
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Man. That'd be awesome.
James,
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did you ever get Shishkabobs?
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You know what? No, I, I was a missed opportunity.
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I should have gotten my own, my own brand of like, like
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kebab spits, you know, that, that just are modeled
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after Dara AARs. Um,
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That's amazing.
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So, dude, how good was that beer?
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That was, honestly, I'm not a big beer person.
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That was definitely the best tasting beer I've ever
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had. I mean, how hot
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Was it?
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Huh?
How hot was it in the car?
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Oh, dude. I mean, I don't run a cool suit either, so like,
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I got out and I was kind of like really thirsty
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and then the water in the car was boiling hot.
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Yeah. So, I mean, the fans did try to throw me a water.
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It was like one of the big jugs
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and I didn't think I was catching that regardless .
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But, uh, yeah, so when they threw the beer,
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that definitely was, that was more refreshing.
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Well, because didn't, didn't the water like
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explode when it hit the ground?
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It did, did so
There's nothing left.
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It was like a, almost like the,
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it was like the half gallon, like the really massive one .
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So it was like, there's no way I can,
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I can catch this without hurting myself.
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So I tried to like lower it in with my foot. Yeah.
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And exploded. I got like two sips of water,
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but I could not drop the beer. I had to catch the
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beer.
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Well it was, uh, that was the sports
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center worthy moment, man.
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That was, uh, that was cool.
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You were walking in the beach,
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you were on the sand, cracking a beer.
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It was so appropriate, especially in Wisconsin. Yeah,
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I loved it. That was a great time,
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Dude.
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Like great race and great run of races.
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I mean, we'll, we'll go back to the other ones,
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but just, I mean, walk me through your race
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at, uh, at Road America.
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Because from where I was sitting, that was a,
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that was a gnarly race.
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It was exciting as hell.
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That was one of those weird ones to where, you know,
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we knew we had a really good race car.
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We were really quick and warm up.
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Everything was going right.
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We just kind of missed something in the car
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for qualifying, which is fine.
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But we knew we'd come through the field
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and finish in the top 10.
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So like, I was pretty passive on the start
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and just trying not to, like, there was a lot
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of people banging into each other
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and I was just trying to avoid it,
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keep the car in one piece.
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And once we settled in, I figured it'd start passing, uh,
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the way that strategy worked out, you know, we had
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to make a massive fuel number.
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So me and Scott ended up,
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or McLaughlin ended up coming out
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of the pits together on the final stint.
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And uh, you know, our car was just a rocket ship.
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So I was able to make this massive fuel number save
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and not lose pace to the guys in front
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or get passed from behind.
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So it was, it was a long day.
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I, it's not physically challenging as, you know,
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when you're saving fuel, but mentally it's a nightmare.
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'cause you have to be so perfect on every
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lift, every break zone.
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Like everything, there's, there is no, no margin for error.
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And especially at Road America too,
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because the straits are so long
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and they all lead to good passing opportunities.
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So like knowing, like staying on in a little bit too long,
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it just, over the course of a lap, like it's gonna drain
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that fuel, it's gonna ruin that number.
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But then lifting too early.
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You're so exposed to the gut cars behind.
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Yeah, so you're right. I
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mean, mentally it's so tough, right?
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I mean, I was probably lifting at like, oh, most
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of our brake references were around the 300 foot mark.
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I was probably lifting at about the 8, 7 50.
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What?
Yeah. And then like
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That's how big a number you were trying to make.
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Yeah. And then turn one I was lifting right about just
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after pit out actually probably a bit before.
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Oh my God. dude, that's,
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It was gross.
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It was gross. It was actually disgusting. That fuel
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Number That's so hard.
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That's so hard as a driver.
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So for somebody who's uh, who doesn't understand as many,
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uh, racing terms or terminology, what, what does that, how,
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how would you explain that to the layman?
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I mean, if you're normally trying to save fuel,
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you're probably only lifting about,
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if you're breaking full bore at 300 foot,
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you're probably only lifting for 150 feet.
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And like your brake reference is only moves about 50 feet
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later and you're, you're trying to save like 0.1,
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0.2 tenths of a gallon a lap.
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So it's not much.
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But that can normally extend your stint a lap
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around a track like Road America.
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We need to extend our stint to laps,
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which I mean we sat in our pre-race meeting and
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It's the longest lap.
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Yeah. And drive in for Chevrolet.
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Obviously we're not as fuel fishing as Honda.
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Um, but you know, to be honest, we, we saw that fuel number,
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uh, before we went into the race
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and we went, okay, what's not doable?
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And we went, that number is not possible.
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So we're like, the the max we can do is a 15 laps stint.
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So the fact that we came outta the pits
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and it's like, well if you don't make the number,
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it's gonna be this, but if you do make the number,
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there's a chance you finish like fifth.
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Yeah. So yeah,
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I didn't have a, didn't have a choice in there.
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That's good motivation, but yeah. Yes, it was.
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So like, to kind of put it into perspective,
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like you were saying Tim, so if you're normally breaking it
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to three right?
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You're, you're now lifting like more than twice the distance
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from that break on point to the apex and coasting.
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And then again, as you kind of mentioned,
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you break later when you're coasting in.
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'cause obviously your top speed's not quite as high. Yeah.
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So the earlier you lift, the later you actually break,
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but you're just doing it from slower.
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So finding that right balance is so tough
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and a lot of tracks have like one or two good zones.
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You can do it. But in Road America you can do it into one,
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you can do it into three a little,
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you can do it into five a ton.
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You can do it into eight, you can do it into 12.
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Like there's so many spots to do it. Yeah.
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Getting them all right's just so tough
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Man.
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I mean, you know that track. Well, I mean, going into
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to one, I was lifting at the expel board,
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the last expel board, which was pit out
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and my break reference was almost
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at the a hundred foot marker.
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Right. So I was just going down
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like through the gear slowly.
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I was lifting down the hill into two for 150 feet. Right.
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I was lifting before the boards even started.
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And we crested down the hill into three
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or into four or well, five.
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What is five I guess. Yeah.
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There's a lot of corners that don't exist.
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I was lifting up the hill into six so I didn't have
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to break lifting down the hill
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as long as I could into eight.
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And then I was lifting halfway
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through the kink into 12 into Canada.
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Yeah. It was pretty <crosstalk> and
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I cannot believe you made that work.
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That is a, that is an obnoxious amount of lifting.
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Yeah, I mean I, we, the car was so good,
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so obviously lifting that early,
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my brake references moved about 130 feet.
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Like Right. It was wild to get used to. Yeah. Yeah.
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But then again, you, yeah, you can do that.
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You can lift early, you can break late.
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But I mean, if the car balance isn't there to just kind
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of help you keep the minimum speeds up
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and roll, like the amount of lap time you bleed is
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so much more so clearly the wagon was good.
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Oh dude, the car was insane. I I it rotated so well.
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I mean you can tell that other people were really tight
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and we just had so much front rotation
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and the rear was super on top of the track.
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That, to be honest with you,
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making the fuel number just kind of sliding the car
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through the corner was really helpful. .
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Yeah.
Yeah. Though it didn't kill the tires. That's,
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That was, that's always the Dixon magic, right?
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Is he can run the thing free enough and he can do that
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and make that crazy fuel number.
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Yeah. But dude, I mean that's, that's the latest
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and a run of some really,
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really strong results for you and the team.
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I mean obviously Detroit was, was awesome to watch.
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Like fine, you, you, you, you pit
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before that yellow, so you cycled up front,
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but then you also like passed willpower on track,
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so it's not like the pace wasn't there.
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Right. And then you go to Gateway
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and Man Gateway looked like so much fun.
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How much fun did you have there?
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Dude, gateway was a wild race too.
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I mean, it was so hard to get to the front,
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but once you got to the front,
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like you could run hard and run fast.
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The amount of passing the two lanes,
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I mean honestly Rasmussen did a great job.
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He had a rocket chip of a car.
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I mean normally I'm the one that's up top quite a bit.
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And they said he was coming
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and I was just like, yeah, no hard pass .
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Yeah. I was like, he, he can,
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he can have all that if he wants.
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I'm good . So, you know, to, to be in the top five,
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the last four events, I mean it was on
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all different disciplines too.
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You went from the super speedway to the short oval
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to the street course to the biggest road course.
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Like it was, it was pretty cool.
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So just, I think it shows
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how well-rounded this team's becoming
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and you know, my driving style's really getting into a
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good, a good groove here.
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So pretty, pretty thrilled.
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So you've, like you say you've had this, this great run,
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um, and again you say even going back to India, you know,
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another, another top 10 in Indy, we'll come back to that.
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But you know, you guys, excuse me,
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you guys finished last year super strong as a team, right?
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You were knocking off great results,
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got yourself from the top 10 points.
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It was a big story coming through the off season.
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Lucas comes on board, you know, a nice step for the team,
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bringing in a, a nice fast driver
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for, for you as a teammate.
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And I think a lot of people expected, like right off the bat
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that the team was gonna pick up where you guys left off.
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And you know, especially with David pushing you,
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you pushing David, the whole thing
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was just gonna kinda keep moving.
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But it seems like the first four
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or five races were maybe a little bit more of a struggle
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you get to India where everybody expected you guys
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to be quick and you were, and you both delivered.
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But from there on the pace has been there from
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both of you consistently.
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So the question kind of is is like, I don't wanna say
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what happened those first couple races as much as like,
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what, what was the shift
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that's now put you guys up in this sort
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of next realm of, of competitiveness?
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Dude, to be honest with you, it's amazing
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how far a little bit of luck goes.
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Yeah. I mean at for example,
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like we were pretty average at St.
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Pete, we finished what, 11th, 10th and 11th.
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Um, we were pretty average at thermal two.
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But Barber we were gonna run sixth Fuel prob
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got had an issue
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and we short field, we had to make an extra stop.
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Long Beach, we were bad fast
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again, I hit the wall and qualifying.
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So when you start from 27th, dude for a green flag race,
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start to finish Long Beach,
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if you would've given me a million bucks,
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I would've never bet on my life that
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that race would've been green start to finish. Yeah,
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For sure.
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dude, we came through, passed a bunch of people
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and strategy and everything
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and finished 11th, which was awesome.
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And then ND gt, we, yeah, qualified well,
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but we, we did a clutch.
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We didn't practice much in FP one or at all in FP two.
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We just went straight out to qualifying qualified well
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and then had a motor let go right in warm up.
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So we didn't even get a chance to run a race car.
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We barely made the grid, no setup for the race.
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So like, just kind of been unlucky.
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And then, you know, we had a really rough month
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and then we kind of turned it around right for qualifying.
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And from there on out it's been just,
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everything's kind of just clicked.
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So we've, you know, we switched engineers again.
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So my race engineer, uh,
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has changed from Detroit, uh, onwards.
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So I now have Adam Ssar
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and Mike Arm Brester is now a technical director for us.
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And um, so it's been a very interesting five weeks
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with all changes and then, you know, the results.
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So it's been really cool.
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What what has it been like working with David
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and kind of having him join the squad?
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I mean we, we talked to him a few weeks ago
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and kind of got his take on it,
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but I'd love to hear, you know, how it's been for you
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to have him kind of join, join the squad and,
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and what he's brought to the program.
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Yeah, obviously like he's very different from
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past teammates that I've worked with.
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I mean, everybody's very different.
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I'm sure that people say the same thing about me.
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like , um, it's, he's very quick.
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He's got insane one lap pace
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and that's something that I really needed to build off of.
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So learning from him, you know, what he can do in qualifying
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and you know, how he goes about it
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and what he can get outta the car
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as a maximum has been a really good step.
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So it's pushed me to do better in quals.
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Uh, as you can tell, I've clearly not
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done better in quals, .
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My, my, my average
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positions gained in the last four races is
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15
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So
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Not great.
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Um, but I am patting my passing stats at the moment.
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So yeah, no doubt for that end of the year,
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uh, tag Hoyer award.
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Right, right. But, uh, no, it's, it's gonna come,
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it's gonna click, you know, and I think for him,
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he's learning a lot of my racecraft
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and he watches all my races to understand the way
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that I'm thinking to move forward.
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'cause I think that's something
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that he said he struggled with a little bit more.
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But also just to have like two competitive drivers,
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you know, in the field for the team, for the morale,
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for engineering, um, you know, to be fighting with Penske
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to also be pushing their guys was just,
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you know, it's a lot of fun.
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Honestly. I think we're having a ton of fun where we are.
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'cause it's not stressful. I mean there's really no, um, uh,
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there's, there's no expectations for our team.
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So my goal is just to beat everybody else,
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you know, to have fun doing it.
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So, I mean, you, you and David obviously have pretty
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different personalities and different, like front facing,
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uh, like to to the fans.
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You guys are are different guys. Do, do you get along?
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Do you guys hang out or is it just business
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when you guys are working together?
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No, we get along. He's funny as hell man.
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I mean, 'cause he's so, like today's generation
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of, uh, yeah, yeah.
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he is, he is very Gen Z. Yeah. Aggressively
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Gen z,
very aggressively Gen Z.
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And I'm over here hands absolutely dirty working
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on a road car.
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Like if yeah, very old school can barely, I had
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to figure out how to download this app
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to join you guys today. .
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Yes. So I love that
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Though.
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Completely different, uh, personalities.
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But we have a very good time of the track, you know,
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relaying and talking about the car.
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We drive completely different cars,
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which is quite interesting to me.
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So, um, but we do have our own set
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of references, which is good. That's,
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That's tough though when you've got,
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especially on a two car team, when, when the drivers kind
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of have different styles to the point
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where similar setups don't really work.
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So I mean, how do you guys navigate that
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and how much, I guess it kind of, it kind
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of segues into the next thing I wanted to ask you about,
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which is this, this Penske technical partnership.
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I know you and I have talked about this kind of offline,
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but when you, when you have a teammate right next to you
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who doesn't necessarily like the same car as you are,
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do you find yourself kind of more, uh, you know,
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closely relating to one of the three Penske guys
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and then just in general, what's that?
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What's that engineering relationship really
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like? How does it really work?
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Yeah, I mean with David,
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we drive very different cars on the road
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and street courses When it comes to the ovals,
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we're actually more similar to each other than not.
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I think just the way that we like to have the big arc,
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good old poncho, we can,
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we can take our hats to poncho on that one.
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We got taught by the same person.
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So, um, which is helpful there.
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'cause the ovals are very competitive as you know.
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But when it comes to the data analysis
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and stuff like, you know, we don't talk
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with the other drivers
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unless we have a personal relationship.
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Um, also with everything that's happened, you know,
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we don't really have, uh, we just,
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it the communication is not nearly kind of what it was
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or what it they're going through some changes.
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Yeah. Well obviously with the departure, you know, three
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of their top guys, you know, we, we were, you know,
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it's kind of changed the communication just a little bit
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until I think they get fully reorganized.
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But we look at all their data
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and their setups, um, and go from there.
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So, and they do the same for us.
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But, uh, I mean, other than sys, uh, other than, uh,
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dampers, uh, and setups, that's all we get.
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So like, our thirds are up for interpretation,
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our bars, all that stuff.
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Um, we can get some of their, their components,
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but it's not like the alliance, like I think you see
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with Shank and Gia Shank
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and Andretti was, it's, we're not in the debriefs together.
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We're not, you know, we're not a big five car team.
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You know, we're still, we still have our independency,
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which I think is really helpful for me and for our team.
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But, um, no, I, I mean I'm pretty similar.
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I'm always between Will and Scott for Okay.
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My driving style. Um, so I tend
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to favor looking at their data more so,
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and their driving style more so than I,
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every time I look at Joseph, I just look at it
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and go, what in the world is going on?
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ing his driving, his driving style is, uh, so unique. Yeah.
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And yeah, I was just like, yeah, I cannot do that.
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I don't know how he . Sometimes Scott's like that too.
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Like I've watched some of Scott's stuff.
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I've been like, uh, that, that's doesn't make any sense. .
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Right? . So, okay. So that's it. So that's interesting.
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So the, the, not in a bad way,
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but just, it's almost like it's more of a, a transactional
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engineering partnership than like a collaborative
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engineering partnership because you guys aren't sitting
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there and like divvying up damper
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responsibilities in a practice session
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and then all getting together and being like, alright,
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what'd you like, what'd you not like?
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It's just you run your stuff, send them the run notes,
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they run their stuff, send you the run
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notes and that's kind of it.
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If we wanna change for the dampers, we can ask.
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And they're very, very helpful with that stuff.
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So for me, like I really like a big front mm-hmm .
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So more times than not I'm on a, you know, damper
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that's got a little bit more front in it
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and, you know, there's trade offs to that.
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So they're, they're very open to helping us
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as well in that regard.
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'cause they never know where its
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direction's gonna work really well.
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So like any race team, you find something
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that works at a specific track
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that you're a sudden really quick,
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everybody else is gonna wanna try it.
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Right, right.
So,
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So you know, at this point we're nine races into the
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season, we're past halfway,
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you're back in the top 10 in points.
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What are the races that you're looking forward to coming up
504
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and, you know, based on the late season charge
505
00:19:26.615 --> 00:19:30.225
that you had last year, are you like pretty stoked
506
00:19:30.225 --> 00:19:32.585
and confident about staying in the top 10 in points?
507
00:19:33.415 --> 00:19:35.985
Dude, I'm, I'm just like, we're halfway through the season
508
00:19:35.985 --> 00:19:37.745
and my head, I'm like, we got four ovals left.
509
00:19:37.975 --> 00:19:40.425
Like, perfect. Let me put those aside.
510
00:19:41.115 --> 00:19:44.065
Right.
So, you know, I've put, you know, the Milwaukee,
511
00:19:44.415 --> 00:19:47.665
Iowa Nashville races kind of to the side for, for right now.
512
00:19:47.885 --> 00:19:50.025
I'm very confident in those events.
513
00:19:50.845 --> 00:19:54.025
Um, my primary focus has actually been a lot on mid Ohio.
514
00:19:54.225 --> 00:19:55.865
'cause I feel like that's gonna be my weakest track
515
00:19:56.485 --> 00:19:58.585
in the next span of Road and Street.
516
00:19:59.405 --> 00:20:02.025
So I've been really focused on, you know,
517
00:20:02.135 --> 00:20:03.425
nailing a car set up there.
518
00:20:04.045 --> 00:20:05.865
Um, Toronto I feel really good about.
519
00:20:06.125 --> 00:20:07.985
And then obviously Portland and Laguna.
520
00:20:08.425 --> 00:20:10.865
I really can't wait to get back to either or. You've shown
521
00:20:11.135 --> 00:20:12.135
Some pace there.
.
522
00:20:12.135 --> 00:20:13.105
Yeah, dude. Laguna.
523
00:20:13.165 --> 00:20:15.345
So Portland, yeah, Portland's just like,
524
00:20:16.155 --> 00:20:17.605
that track's so natural to me.
525
00:20:17.835 --> 00:20:19.605
It's, it's very similar to the track
526
00:20:19.605 --> 00:20:21.165
that I grew up on co go-karts with.
527
00:20:21.665 --> 00:20:25.565
So to me that track is like, I could drive it blindfolded,
528
00:20:25.565 --> 00:20:28.805
backwards, like in love with that track.
529
00:20:29.265 --> 00:20:31.205
And that's how I kind of felt about Road America too.
530
00:20:32.265 --> 00:20:35.525
And Laguna, we were gonna end up with a top five last year,
531
00:20:36.065 --> 00:20:39.725
but I got a blocking penalty, so we ended up ninth,
532
00:20:40.015 --> 00:20:41.205
which was rough.
533
00:20:41.425 --> 00:20:43.085
So I feel really good about going back there.
534
00:20:43.165 --> 00:20:44.525
I think it's also a good track for me.
535
00:20:45.065 --> 00:20:47.525
But, uh, dude, it's, it's gonna be exciting.
536
00:20:47.765 --> 00:20:50.285
I, I can't wait to see how this plays out.
537
00:20:50.445 --> 00:20:51.925
I feel good about the championship.
538
00:20:52.465 --> 00:20:54.725
Um, I would love to beat, uh,
539
00:20:54.945 --> 00:20:57.285
all the penskes in the championship. .
540
00:20:57.675 --> 00:20:59.165
Technically I would've been ahead of all
541
00:20:59.165 --> 00:21:00.845
of them if you gimme my 26 points back.
542
00:21:00.905 --> 00:21:03.765
But that is, that is part of racing.
543
00:21:04.465 --> 00:21:06.645
You, me, you, you mentioned, uh, you know,
544
00:21:06.645 --> 00:21:08.885
your hands are dirty and, uh, you're,
545
00:21:08.885 --> 00:21:10.365
you're not really the Gen Z guy.
546
00:21:10.815 --> 00:21:12.325
Where are you and what are you working on?
547
00:21:12.355 --> 00:21:14.125
Like show us, show us the goods, man.
548
00:21:14.225 --> 00:21:15.525
All right, let's flip the camera here.
549
00:21:15.525 --> 00:21:16.805
Lemme figure out how to do that.
550
00:21:17.425 --> 00:21:18.525
Do I just double tap it
551
00:21:18.745 --> 00:21:20.245
or do I click it? Nope, I turned it off.
552
00:21:20.245 --> 00:21:22.965
Oh God, you are so, so old. Tell me, tell
553
00:21:22.965 --> 00:21:23.965
Me, flip the camera.
554
00:21:25.185 --> 00:21:27.565
You're like, you're like 10 years younger than me.
555
00:21:27.595 --> 00:21:28.765
Even. I can figure that out.
556
00:21:28.825 --> 00:21:30.325
I'm gonna turn the phone around since I can't,
557
00:21:30.565 --> 00:21:32.005
I literally can't figure out how to do this .
558
00:21:33.595 --> 00:21:34.765
It's so sad. You
559
00:21:34.765 --> 00:21:36.045
Can rebuild your engine,
560
00:21:36.105 --> 00:21:38.285
but you can't figure out how to flip the, flip the camera.
561
00:21:38.705 --> 00:21:40.525
So sad. Flip the camera. There's, there's a Gen Z,
562
00:21:40.625 --> 00:21:43.005
so I'm currently putting on valve covers,
563
00:21:43.225 --> 00:21:45.405
so I'm just working on the passenger side.
564
00:21:45.605 --> 00:21:48.725
I had a, um, this, I've had this car forever,
565
00:21:49.545 --> 00:21:51.165
but you know, I love working on it.
566
00:21:51.395 --> 00:21:53.205
It's got an electrical gremlin,
567
00:21:53.265 --> 00:21:55.125
so there's all the valves and rockers.
568
00:21:55.945 --> 00:21:58.165
So I was just going through, checking all of that,
569
00:21:58.225 --> 00:21:59.325
making sure everything works.
570
00:21:59.745 --> 00:22:01.125
I'm actually in my friend's shop,
571
00:22:01.265 --> 00:22:02.965
so I'll show you the, the shop is amazing.
572
00:22:03.265 --> 00:22:05.885
So they have almost every year Corvette in here.
573
00:22:06.555 --> 00:22:07.845
Damn. Yeah. Oh my
574
00:22:07.845 --> 00:22:08.845
God.
575
00:22:08.845 --> 00:22:11.085
So it's it's four rows. Yeah.
576
00:22:11.205 --> 00:22:12.445
A bunch of classes. And where, where
577
00:22:12.445 --> 00:22:13.925
Is this shop and when is it unlocked?
.
578
00:22:14.755 --> 00:22:17.565
It's in Fort Worth and it is, it is unlocked.
579
00:22:17.865 --> 00:22:20.405
Uh, if you come with me. So they have like,
580
00:22:20.665 --> 00:22:22.645
And where exactly do they keep all the keys?
581
00:22:23.075 --> 00:22:24.645
Yeah. Oh, don't worry. Oh man.
582
00:22:24.645 --> 00:22:26.085
They don't tell me the safe combination.
583
00:22:26.385 --> 00:22:29.825
But yeah, this place is, this place is uh, that's
584
00:22:30.165 --> 00:22:31.165
One of my favorites there.
585
00:22:31.455 --> 00:22:33.785
Yeah, so I've been, I spent a lot
586
00:22:33.785 --> 00:22:36.385
of my off season at this shop, uh,
587
00:22:36.745 --> 00:22:38.185
actually working on a C five.
588
00:22:39.065 --> 00:22:41.705
I pulled a transmission, clutch, flywheel,
589
00:22:42.155 --> 00:22:43.425
whole rear end assembly.
590
00:22:44.325 --> 00:22:47.185
And um, basically by the time we got everything back,
591
00:22:47.345 --> 00:22:48.585
I didn't get to put it back together.
592
00:22:48.665 --> 00:22:49.665
I was pretty bummed about that.
593
00:22:50.365 --> 00:22:52.665
But, um, I did a lot of the body work,
594
00:22:52.685 --> 00:22:54.745
so I spent my off season working on cars.
595
00:22:55.525 --> 00:22:57.265
So. Love it.
596
00:22:57.375 --> 00:22:58.945
It's, yeah, this is, I'll show you the car
597
00:22:59.145 --> 00:23:00.665
'cause it's in the mechanic shop.
598
00:23:01.165 --> 00:23:03.465
So this is the car that I spent my off
599
00:23:03.465 --> 00:23:04.505
season really working on.
600
00:23:05.165 --> 00:23:06.345
So this thing's kind of sick.
601
00:23:07.445 --> 00:23:11.345
Is this yours?
No, this is my buddy's, uh, okay. Jr's.
602
00:23:11.535 --> 00:23:15.425
Yeah. So, you know, full race car, full cage,
603
00:23:16.605 --> 00:23:19.525
but um, it's a pretty mean looking car for
604
00:23:19.605 --> 00:23:20.605
C five.
605
00:23:20.605 --> 00:23:20.845
Not bad man. Not bad at all.
606
00:23:21.435 --> 00:23:23.125
Yeah, I wish I could flip the camera
607
00:23:23.185 --> 00:23:24.605
and actually show you what I'm doing ,
608
00:23:25.105 --> 00:23:27.045
But
Clearly can't do that.
609
00:23:27.465 --> 00:23:30.845
But, uh, yeah, no, it's so, you know, it's,
610
00:23:31.025 --> 00:23:32.445
if it's not the go-kart track
611
00:23:32.585 --> 00:23:37.285
or here, you know, uh, it's the Ville race car track
612
00:23:37.465 --> 00:23:38.965
for, or the shop in Houston.
613
00:23:39.885 --> 00:23:43.165
I, I don't know. I don't, I guess this is my social life
614
00:23:43.185 --> 00:23:44.185
now,
.
615
00:23:44.185 --> 00:23:46.005
Hey man, it's, if it works, it works.
616
00:23:46.355 --> 00:23:48.205
Yeah, I mean that's uh, not a bad way
617
00:23:48.205 --> 00:23:49.445
to spend your time in the off season.
618
00:23:49.865 --> 00:23:51.525
No, there's an F 40 up in the front
619
00:23:51.595 --> 00:23:53.165
with a Porsche 9 5 9 too.
620
00:23:53.345 --> 00:23:56.165
So there's some, there's some sick stuff here, man.
621
00:23:56.425 --> 00:23:58.205
What's uh, what's, what's the dream car?
622
00:23:58.325 --> 00:24:01.365
I mean, you're clearly a car guy, so, uh, you could,
623
00:24:01.455 --> 00:24:04.005
let's say even just in that shop, what's,
624
00:24:04.005 --> 00:24:06.485
if if there was one you could drive off with tomorrow
625
00:24:07.425 --> 00:24:09.765
In the shop, would it be drive off tomorrow?
626
00:24:10.905 --> 00:24:12.685
Man, you so many. Okay.
627
00:24:13.195 --> 00:24:15.805
There's a 1970s Chevelle race car
628
00:24:17.185 --> 00:24:18.725
that's kind of way down on the end.
629
00:24:19.115 --> 00:24:20.645
That a Chevelle
630
00:24:20.645 --> 00:24:21.645
Race car.
631
00:24:21.645 --> 00:24:22.925
Yeah, it's super sick.
632
00:24:23.125 --> 00:24:24.565
I probably, I've driven
633
00:24:24.565 --> 00:24:27.245
that car too outta here. I mean, it's got a full, like
634
00:24:27.305 --> 00:24:28.965
You are definitely an old school guy.
635
00:24:29.555 --> 00:24:31.925
Yeah. . So that car is probably one of my favorites.
636
00:24:32.185 --> 00:24:34.005
The F 40 is so sick.
637
00:24:34.745 --> 00:24:37.805
And then, uh, yeah, you know, there's, there's just a bunch
638
00:24:37.805 --> 00:24:39.445
of other things in here that are really cool.
639
00:24:39.965 --> 00:24:44.115
Honestly. The, uh, 67 67 vet
640
00:24:44.465 --> 00:24:46.995
with the, is also one of my favorites.
641
00:24:47.145 --> 00:24:47.995
That was actually my wedding.
642
00:24:48.015 --> 00:24:49.275
That's a, my wedding card. That's
643
00:24:49.275 --> 00:24:50.235
A gorgeous one. I like that one.
644
00:24:50.815 --> 00:24:53.235
Oh, cool. Yeah, so we, my friend had an all black one
645
00:24:53.235 --> 00:24:54.955
with a red stinger stripe
646
00:24:55.135 --> 00:24:56.635
and, um, he let me drive it around the week
647
00:24:56.635 --> 00:24:58.895
of my wedding and take photos.
648
00:24:59.005 --> 00:25:00.175
Like with my wedding party.
649
00:25:00.195 --> 00:25:02.975
It was sick because like, you know, we were all black tuxes
650
00:25:03.035 --> 00:25:04.655
and then the inside of my tux was red.
651
00:25:04.755 --> 00:25:06.055
So it was really, really cool. Nice.
652
00:25:06.605 --> 00:25:09.455
Nice. Yeah. Nice touch. Nice touch. Cool buddy.
653
00:25:09.455 --> 00:25:10.895
Well look, we don't wanna take any more of your time.
654
00:25:10.895 --> 00:25:12.735
I'll let you get back to work on your car,
655
00:25:13.115 --> 00:25:14.775
but, uh, thanks for coming on
656
00:25:14.875 --> 00:25:16.895
and honestly man, great run that you're on.
657
00:25:17.015 --> 00:25:20.535
I know there's a lot of tracks coming up that you kind
658
00:25:20.535 --> 00:25:21.735
of vibe with pretty well,
659
00:25:22.315 --> 00:25:25.655
and there's, uh, a lot of, uh, a lot of high hopes
660
00:25:25.655 --> 00:25:26.775
that you can kind of keep the run going
661
00:25:26.835 --> 00:25:28.215
and move even further up the points.
662
00:25:28.315 --> 00:25:30.855
That's the goal, man. Hopefully keep giving people, uh,
663
00:25:30.855 --> 00:25:32.215
something to watch and something to talk about.
664
00:25:32.525 --> 00:25:34.575
Amen brother. Amen. I mean, I didn't even get to,
665
00:25:34.575 --> 00:25:36.455
there's like a stat that I love telling people
666
00:25:36.455 --> 00:25:37.495
that we didn't even get to.
667
00:25:37.635 --> 00:25:40.135
We don't have time to, but , next time you're on,
668
00:25:40.155 --> 00:25:41.255
we will talk about the fact
669
00:25:41.255 --> 00:25:43.215
that you are the only driver in history
670
00:25:43.275 --> 00:25:47.015
to finish in the top 10 in seven of their, their,
671
00:25:47.015 --> 00:25:49.375
their first seven and all of their, you know,
672
00:25:49.645 --> 00:25:52.415
Indy 500 starts pretty frigging impressive.
673
00:25:52.465 --> 00:25:54.455
Thank, but, uh, we literally don't have time to cover it,
674
00:25:54.515 --> 00:25:56.615
so, we'll, we're gonna leave on that little, uh,
675
00:25:56.675 --> 00:25:57.775
on that little Easter egg.
676
00:25:57.775 --> 00:26:00.135
We'll have you back on. We'll talk, uh, we'll talk history,
677
00:26:00.145 --> 00:26:03.175
we'll talk past and we'll talk any 500 stuff another time.
678
00:26:03.175 --> 00:26:05.735
But in the meantime, uh, best of luck amid Ohio
679
00:26:05.755 --> 00:26:06.855
and for the rest of this season, man,
680
00:26:08.165 --> 00:26:09.935
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681
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