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<v Speaker 1>This is off track.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>It's the old saying it's okay to pee in the pool</v>

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provided you get in first.

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<v Speaker 3>So my question is, so like if you're,</v>

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if you're at, um, let's take Atlantis

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in The Bahamas for an example.

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'cause I was just there, right? Yeah. Let's do it.

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And they have some, some massive bodies of water, right?

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Like let's look at the Lazy River. Yeah.

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Let's use that as our example.

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Would you not Lazy River if you

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knew there was a dead body in there? No,

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<v Speaker 1>Probably not. Or</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Would</v>
<v Speaker 2>Probably not. Yeah.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Interesting. See, I wouldn't</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Mind it.</v>

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I think it's like, here's the thing.

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I I feel like you would,

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Alex, I feel like you're saying that. No. 'cause

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<v Speaker 3>It's moving, it's moving water.</v>

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It's the, the a thousands, it's a circle.

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Tens of thousands of gallons mm-hmm .

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That are going through their,

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<v Speaker 2>Let's let's back up because</v>

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'cause people weren't listening to our bull.

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<v Speaker 3>No. So like, I, I killed someone</v>

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and I'm looking for a place

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to dispose them. And I was thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>And you think the lazy River at Atlantis is a nice</v>

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casual, low key place

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<v Speaker 3>To do it. Yes. Right, right. Yes.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. Okay.</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Did you kill them in The Bahamas?</v>

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, because like, if you killed them there,

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that makes a bit of sense.

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But like, if you killed them in Indiana,

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he's got a plane now we're talking about like crossing

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international borders with a body. It's stop plane.

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<v Speaker 3>It's fine.</v>
<v Speaker 1>It's fine. It's, you can get it there.</v>

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Stop plane. I feel like a lazy river. Yeah.

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It's still like a closed loop.

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And like, if you removed the obstacles of like, the

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walls and like, you could see like,

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you're not far enough away from the body

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to not see it floating in the water.

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Right. Like if I was in the ocean, hold on.

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If I was in the ocean and I saw a body floating in the

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water, I would get out of the water.

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<v Speaker 3>So you're, you're specific only to human bodies.</v>

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Because I've seen Yes.

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Dead fish floating in the ocean

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and I Yes. Still stay in the ocean.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm absolutely being specific to human</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Body. So, so why</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Alex?</v>

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I don't, I don't have like a super logical answer for that .

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It's just like a common sensical one. Um, okay.

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Like a, maybe it's like a genetic programming.

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Like, hey, dead body that looks like me.

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I should probably get outta the water now. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. So to back this up beforehand,</v>

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I pointed out there's an old thing

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about going around the internet.

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Cool. . There's an old thing going around the internet

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that says you wouldn't get in the pool

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if there was a dead body in it.

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But you do get in the ocean even though there are certainly

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dead bodies in there.

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So there's an innate ratio of water to dead bodies

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that we are just comfortable with.

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And that's started this

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<v Speaker 3>Lazy, lazy river is weird conversation.</v>

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Kind of my limit. Like I'm alright.

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<v Speaker 1>Objective. Which that, so that's like,</v>

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that's your, that's your floor.

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Like that's, you'll go no lower

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than that, but you'll go there.

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You'll go to that level.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, I, I won't be in, in a pool. Right.</v>

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Even if it's a huge pool at the Atlantis with at wave pool.

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Mm. I don't like wave pools regardless of bodies. Fair,

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<v Speaker 1>Fair.</v>
<v Speaker 3>.</v>

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So I'm just saying like, let's say the main big pool, right?

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It's just still water.

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And like, I'm not the fact that it's, I'm not, I

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<v Speaker 1>Have</v>
<v Speaker 3>Pumps</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Not going, like the water's constantly circulating.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not going past treated, moving past it without my own</v>

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effort to get past it.

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Whereas if I'm on an inner tube, I'm kind

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of detached from the water anyways

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and like, I'm gonna just fire past this body.

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I might not even see it if I'm having a good time. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>You probably won't.</v>

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Like, because it's gonna also be moving. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>But if it like bumps into your tube as you're floating,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't like it. I wouldn't like it .</v>

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<v Speaker 1>So like an easy way to avoid that scenario is I</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Just</v>
<v Speaker 1>Get out. You</v>

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<v Speaker 2>Don't know that you would get out. So</v>

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<v Speaker 1>I</v>
<v Speaker 3>Don't think I would get out.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>I do think that's like</v>
<v Speaker 3>This. Think I'd tell someone.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think it's just like a societal expectation</v>

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that you would alert somebody to the fact there's a body.

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For sure. And the best way to do that is to get out

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and be like, Hey, there's a

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<v Speaker 3>Body.</v>

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I just wave be like, there's a body back there.

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And then they'd probably, but you go by to make you get out

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<v Speaker 1>One, one of the lifeguards in the little tower, uh,</v>

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about five, 10 tubes back.

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There's a dead guy floating.

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You guys might wanna take care of that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>Right.</v>

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But like what? You're gonna stop, drop

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and roll outta there. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's what I'm thinking is</v>

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<v Speaker 3>That you're gonna finish the Lazy</v>

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River, dude, come on. If

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<v Speaker 1>You're, if you're the lifeguard that sees Alex Rossi,</v>

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go buy a tube saying, oh hey, just back there.

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Dead guy might wanna look into it.

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And then sure enough, just back there, there's a dead guy.

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There's two things I'm doing.

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One, I'm calling the authorities

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to take care of the dead guy.

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And then also giving your description to the authorities

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as a likely murder suspect

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because the casual nature with which you're just like, yeah.

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Has a dead body flowing back there.

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But I'm gonna keep sip of my corona floating

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down. This river was very

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<v Speaker 2>He did already, he did already say</v>

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that he did murder this hypothetical

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<v Speaker 1>Person in that scenario.</v>

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Yes, that's true. But again,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just, I'm yourself, I'm surprised.</v>

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I'm surprised you're so against it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm surprised you're surprised by that. Well,</v>

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<v Speaker 3>I understand my pool.</v>

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I'm not getting in it like,

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but this is a, this is a big,

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so are you just done at the waterpark?

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Like what if, what if you're in Qatar, right?

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And you're at this, this massive

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<v Speaker 1>Facility that is insane 67 water slide waterpark. Are you</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Just, are you packing it up and going home for the day?</v>

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Like if just some old guy unfortunately

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had a heart attack, right.

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It's not like he fired it off the slide into oblivion.

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Like there's a malfunction. Like he just died, you're done.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, but I'm not gonna be in the water</v>

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with him while he is dead.

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<v Speaker 3>No, not,</v>
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I don't know.</v>

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How long would it take for you to go back in?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, so this is a, this is a messed up story.</v>

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This is like a real thing

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that I can actually sort of relate to.

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When I was a kid, I was at a friend's cottage

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and one of the neighbors older guy was at first swim,

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had a heart attack while he was swimming, drown.

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All like, the parents that were at the cottage we

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were at pulled him out.

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CPR, the whole bit guy didn't make it.

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So like, we basically saw a guy that drowned there on,

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on our dock as our parents tried to resuscitate him.

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We were back in the lake the next day.

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I don't think we went in the lake that day,

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but we were back in the lake the next day.

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<v Speaker 3>Hmm.</v>
<v Speaker 1>Because again, he wasn't like eaten by a shark.</v>

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He had a heart attack. But like,

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it definitely kept us outta the lake that

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day.
<v Speaker 3>.</v>

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But you were young, right?

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<v Speaker 1>I was,</v>
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So I get that.</v>

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Like, I get why a kid wouldn't conceptually want

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to be in the water where there was a dead person.

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Like I understand that, but again,

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<v Speaker 1>As a, like an adult should be almost even more reluctant</v>

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to get into the water after a dead person.

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<v Speaker 3>But it sounds scary for a kid. It's scary</v>

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<v Speaker 1>For you.</v>

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Yeah. But kids are also like fearless in ways, right?

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<v Speaker 3>There's a cause and effect of this happened. Yeah.</v>

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This very sad thing happened.

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It has nothing to do with the establishment that I'm at.

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Am I really gonna let this sad thing that happened that has

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absolutely nothing to do with me and the safety of myself

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or my family affect the rest of my trip?

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No. It's what he would've

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wanted.
<v Speaker 2>.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>I honestly can't tell if your,</v>

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the, the, the enthusiasm

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with which you are continuing this debate comes from you're,

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you just feel really strongly about being

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okay swimming with dead guys.

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I just feel like he's busy with us. Or you're just debating

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like you're just, you just don't wanna,

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you don't wanna like relent on this topic. You want us to

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<v Speaker 3>No.</v>

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In in this specific example mm-hmm. Of the lazy river.

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I don't, I don't see where your guys' issue is.

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I completely am on board with the pool.

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't see how they're that different man.</v>

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It's, it's water circulates in a pool too. Yes, exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>No one. Yeah, but it's, you're a pool</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Guy.</v>

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You know this, you know more about pools than media.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a very, it's a very, there's a lot of surface area</v>

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of water Right.

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That is continually moving and you are floating on it.

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Mm-hmm . You're not swimming and pushing your way past him.

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Right. Like you could just float all that. Well

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, okay, so here's, you know what, now</v>

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that I think about it, I hate

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that I've somewhat moved in your direction on this,

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but your, your pool, it's

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<v Speaker 3>Not like, oh there's an arm in my face.</v>

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Lemme push this outta the way and keep on going,

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<v Speaker 1>But hang on.</v>

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Y you your pool philosophy, it a lazy river is just a pool.

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It's just a pool with &lt;inaudible&gt; in the middle.

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So like that part I'm not gonna give you,

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but I'll, I'll give you the moving water thing.

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Right. So like if there was a guy that died in a lake,

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I probably wouldn't go back in the

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lake that day, even today.

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But like if a guy died in a river

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that's like a fast moving river,

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I probably would go back in the r like the,

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that would weird me out less because of the,

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<v Speaker 2>Because the water's down there now.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. So like to a certain extent your</v>

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your your logic and the philosophy of the moving water.

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I actually kind of buy into the claiming

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that a pool in a lazy river are different

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for the way the water moves I think is insane.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. 'cause it's not like unlike a</v>

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river, it's going back. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking like, like a Yeah, exactly. It's a circle.</v>

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You know, it's coming back

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<v Speaker 3>Guys.</v>

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This has nothing. We're not talking about the

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purification of the water.

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I'm not talking about contamination

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or filtration or anything.

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Do not tell me that the rate

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of which the water moving in a lazy river

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is the same as a pool. It's literally,

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<v Speaker 2>But is moving.</v>

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But it's just going back around. Right. This

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<v Speaker 3>Is not, this has nothing to do</v>

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with the purity of the water.

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It does. This has to do with you are going

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to be near this dead body for 1% of your lazy river journey.

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You're not floating with the dead body body. It

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<v Speaker 2>Has to do with the water for of your</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Time in the pool.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>So, sorry, you, it does</v>
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<v Speaker 1>Your whole thing is about proximity to the body.</v>

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Right? So like in this scenario, is the body anchored

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to something and not also floating in the river?

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Because your argument could actually backfire.

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'cause he could be right with you and you guys could just be

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going around

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<v Speaker 3>Floating on our lazy river with the dead guy next to me.</v>

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No, I'm saying he you flew

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<v Speaker 2>Him just like, would you hold onto the wall Okay.</v>

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And let him go down a bit

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and then, then let, let then let go so that you

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<v Speaker 3>Just, okay.</v>

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In my mind the body isn't moving.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. Okay, well why?</v>
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<v Speaker 1>That's all right. Yeah. This is a very spec, there's a lot</v>

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of caveats to this scenario. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Why would the body not be moving?</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Because he's half in, half out</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Because he, he got tangled up in the rocks</v>

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and he is just stuck there.

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<v Speaker 2>What lazy river are you in?</v>
<v Speaker 1>I still, he up to</v>

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<v Speaker 2>The bottom.</v>

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That's not how it would work. He would float. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't, don't they sink first</v>

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and then they float once they like bloat

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and all the gases start.

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Yeah. I don't know why we're having this conversation.

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Whatever, whatever. Anyway, so NASCAR have gone back

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to a different championship format

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after the failure of the playoff system, uh, .

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So, so Alex, how do you feel about the fact

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that NASCAR has dropped the one race to win 'em all?

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Lord of the ring style championship showdown.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's the thing, James. Uh,</v>

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I'm finding out about this this second immediately

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<v Speaker 1>Now.</v>

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Right. Um, okay. So upon the uproar of fans

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and us really this podcast, everyone right?

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Is, I don't wanna say we single-handedly influenced the

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direction of nascar, but I'm not gonna not say I'm willing

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<v Speaker 2>To say it. I'm</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Willing to say it.</v>

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I don't know. I don't, we don't know for sure.

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So let's not, you know, um, are

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<v Speaker 2>We heroes?</v>

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That's for others to say, but yes,

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely no doubt about it.</v>

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So they've gone back to what the original kind

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of playoff format was, which is the chase, right?

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That's what it was called originally

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because it was like a reset with 10 to go

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and then you race 10 races

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and whoever has the most points at the

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end of those 10 races wins.

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That's the gist. I'm sure there's some

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nuances that I'm missing there.

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But you no longer just win in.

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I think you have to like points in,

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so you gotta be in the top 10 in points at the cutoff race.

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And then there's still I think some bonus points

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for winning and whatever.

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So that way, you know, you're, you're seated if you will,

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the way you would be in a normal playoff kind of program.

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And then it's a, it's a 10 race blast to the finish.

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<v Speaker 3>I like it. I I don't have any, um,</v>

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I don't really have any other comments, uh,

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about it at this point.

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I, I love it exponentially more than the old system

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and I think that that is a much more fair

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and correct representation of the effort

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and the work that, that people would put

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in for a whole season. So

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<v Speaker 1>What's funny about it,</v>

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and I'm, I'm sort of making up a little bit of this stuff

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because I don't, I read this last week

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and um, we didn't get to it, so I've forgotten some of it.

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But somebody show,

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'cause I, one of the things I know that's come out of the,

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this whole like one race, uh, program was,

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there were a few seasons, I think when Logano won,

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when he kind of like was not the guy all season,

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but just did well in the playoffs

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and is really good at Phoenix

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and Penn State's really good at Phoenix.

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And so he like won two of the championships

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of his three or whatever.

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People were like, well he

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wasn't the best guy, blah, blah blah.

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So then somebody went

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and like applied this 10 race format, the chase format

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to the last however many years since they went away from it.

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And Joey would actually be a five time champion

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now if it would've been that way.

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So it's like, eh, actually, all right.

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Fair play, you know,  that actually kind of worked out.

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I mean, not really for him, but still kind of for him.

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<v Speaker 3>So how, how much of this do you think really</v>

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forget our kind

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of jokes about this bean because of offtrack?

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'cause clearly that's not the case, but

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how much do you think this is because of fan uproar

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or discontent or whatever?

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Or do you think this was always something that, I mean,

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NASCAR will say that this is an evolution

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and you know, something

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that they had in mind and all this sort of thing.

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But do you think there was enough pressure put on them

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that it was like, we have to change it or,

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<v Speaker 1>It certainly seems that way.</v>

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Yeah. Because like if if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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Right? Right. So if it was a raging success,

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I don't think we would be doing this

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so, or they would be doing this.

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So I, I do think it comes from some of that fan pressure.

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I do think it comes from some internal

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pressure within the series too.

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I think a lot of teams and drivers

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were kind of over this format.

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Um, look, I, on one hand I actually, I give them credit

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for trying something different, right?

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This was a, an idea that when it first came out,

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all the purists were like, this is not a good idea.

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We don't like this one race does not

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sum up a championship, whatever.

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But you compare it to other sports where the, you know,

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the underdog can still win in one final game.

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So like I, I get the philosophy, I get the logic behind it

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and I give them genuinely a lot of credit

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for trying something that a lot

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of people were like, no, don't do this.

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Um, it did create some exciting scenarios.

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It definitely made me tune into the cut cutoff races

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probably more often than I would have.

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So it sort of worked in some ways.

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But at the end of the day, in terms of like viewership maybe

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during that, that time,

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but at the end of the day, does it, does it

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result in the most deserving team

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and driver winning the championship?

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No. And I think that's what people were, were kind of over.

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<v Speaker 3>So you, you commend NASCAR for trying something different.</v>

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They're obviously having to backpedal a little bit,

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continually adapt their product.

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Um, where, where does IndyCar fall into this?

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Because obviously, you know,

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we had a small change a couple years ago in the fact

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that the last race wasn't double points

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and the 500 is no longer double points.

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Um, which I think we all can agree

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is the right thing.

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Keeping qualifying points for indie is important.

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Um, which they did. They, they reduced it,

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but they, there's still a reward for qualifying well

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and as there should be considering the amount of time

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and effort that goes into that.

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But are you as a

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race car driver fan

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and promoter of this sport happy with our championship,

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uh, format or do you think it needs some sort of twist

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<v Speaker 1>To it?</v>

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No, so I am happy with it

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and I think think what

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makes it just a slam dunk for IndyCar to kind

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of keep this traditional system right.

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Again, I fully agree with the points in indie.

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I would actually give more points at Indie qualifying.

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You know, I, I would honestly go back

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to giving it like full race weekend points where, you know,

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pole sitter gets 50 and you go back

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'cause it's a big deal, 12 or whatever it is you get.

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And it's only one point more in the guy in second.

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Like, but whatever, at least there's something, um,

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I think why NASCAR needed something like this

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and honestly F1 is, is

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getting into some precarious territory here.

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The longer you make the season,

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the more likely it is a championships wrapped

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up before the last race.

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And the more you know, pressure you feel to do something

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to keep it exciting to the end.

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Sure. Sure. So if we had 36 races Yeah. Yeah.

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PLO would've won the championship by June

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Yeah. Last year. Good

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<v Speaker 3>Point. Good point.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>Right? So we have this sweet spot in IndyCar.</v>

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I I still think we could, we could do another

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two to three races, right?

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I think twenties is the max, 18 to 20

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for me is the perfect length of a, of a race season.

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Mm-hmm. Anything more than that.

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You really start running into this thing where not

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<v Speaker 3>Not in the same five and a half months though.</v>

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<v Speaker 1>No. I wouldn't hate if it was</v>

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spread out a little more certainly.

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But, um, I think,

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I think IndyCar lives in a really good pocket in

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terms of number of events.

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Um, and so we don't have to do that.

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Like look, last year was a, last year was a,

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it was an outlier, right?

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You look at the last, you know,

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you look at the data from the last 20, 25 years,

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I think IndyCar's not been settled on the last race like

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four times in 25 years.

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It's pretty good. Um, so I, I think, I think

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that's, I think that's okay.

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But it's funny 'cause it actually, this brings up, this kind

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of reminds me of a topic

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or leads me to a topic I wanted to talk about today,

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which is about F1 and how, you know,

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'cause it's all geared up.

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Some cars have hit the track,

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the Audi's done its first laps,

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the Cadillac's done its first laps, a couple

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of livery unveils have happened and we'll touch on those.

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But I was thinking about how do you remember the

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last rule cycle change, right?

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21 into 22. Mm-hmm .

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<v Speaker 3>Mm-hmm</v>
<v Speaker 1>Remember the 2021 season.</v>

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.</v>
<v Speaker 1>How would you describe it?</v>

480
00:18:00.905 --> 00:18:02.795
<v Speaker 3>Perfect.</v>
<v Speaker 1>Awesome. Perfect.</v>

481
00:18:02.815 --> 00:18:07.075
<v Speaker 3>Except for the last lap, but</v>
<v Speaker 1>Right. But like as a Yes.</v>

482
00:18:07.205 --> 00:18:09.715
<v Speaker 3>Incredible. Probably one then probably the best</v>

483
00:18:09.715 --> 00:18:10.875
season of F1 I've ever watched.

484
00:18:11.185 --> 00:18:14.435
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And then they change everything</v>

485
00:18:15.455 --> 00:18:17.075
and for a couple years it's okay.

486
00:18:17.075 --> 00:18:20.675
For one year it's like awful because Max won 20 races.

487
00:18:20.855 --> 00:18:24.635
Mm-hmm . And then this year, last year, oo cycle.

488
00:18:24.735 --> 00:18:26.435
How would you describe this year? Pretty good.

489
00:18:26.745 --> 00:18:29.235
Last four, last lap. Not 21. Good last, not 21. Good.

490
00:18:29.235 --> 00:18:30.995
But it went to the last lap pretty good.

491
00:18:30.995 --> 00:18:34.355
It was settled by two points. Pretty good. Pretty good.

492
00:18:34.355 --> 00:18:35.355
And we're gonna change it all next year.

493
00:18:35.635 --> 00:18:36.995
I can't help but think that F1 needs

494
00:18:36.995 --> 00:18:38.915
to like lengthen their rule cycles a little bit.

495
00:18:39.555 --> 00:18:42.475
I feel like just when the whole group

496
00:18:42.475 --> 00:18:43.755
<v Speaker 3>Merges, take a page outta the IndyCar book.</v>

497
00:18:43.755 --> 00:18:44.835
Huh? Go two decades. I

498
00:18:44.835 --> 00:18:45.835
<v Speaker 1>Mean No, no, no, no.</v>

499
00:18:45.835 --> 00:18:47.835
Hold on. I was, that was a point I was also gonna make.

500
00:18:47.895 --> 00:18:50.155
Is that ? There's probably a happy medium in there. .

501
00:18:51.015 --> 00:18:52.075
I'm not saying two decades,

502
00:18:52.655 --> 00:18:53.995
but like, maybe I don't, I don't know

503
00:18:53.995 --> 00:18:57.675
how many cars NASCAR's come out with since, um, since 2012.

504
00:18:58.055 --> 00:19:00.275
But it's probably, I don't know,

505
00:19:00.275 --> 00:19:01.915
three different iterations of their program.

506
00:19:02.305 --> 00:19:03.435
That seems about right. I think

507
00:19:03.435 --> 00:19:04.835
<v Speaker 3>It's, I think it's three. Yeah.</v>

508
00:19:05.105 --> 00:19:08.395
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So like if you think of F1, Hmm.</v>

509
00:19:08.525 --> 00:19:11.115
Every time we get to the end of a rule cycle

510
00:19:11.135 --> 00:19:13.955
or to the point in a rule cycle where there's a lot

511
00:19:13.955 --> 00:19:16.915
of convergence, the midfield battles are, are wicked.

512
00:19:16.975 --> 00:19:19.075
You have two to three to four drivers fighting

513
00:19:19.075 --> 00:19:20.315
for the world championship at the front.

514
00:19:20.315 --> 00:19:21.875
Yeah. We're like, great season,

515
00:19:22.285 --> 00:19:23.995
let's completely clean slate,

516
00:19:24.145 --> 00:19:25.795
wipe house, get rid of everything.

517
00:19:25.795 --> 00:19:27.435
And like almost guarantee that one

518
00:19:27.435 --> 00:19:30.035
or two teams dominate for the next two to three years.

519
00:19:30.375 --> 00:19:32.315
<v Speaker 3>How much of that though is new?</v>

520
00:19:32.465 --> 00:19:35.955
Because aside from 2021 mm-hmm .

521
00:19:36.165 --> 00:19:38.875
Aside from this, this last call it three years,

522
00:19:39.845 --> 00:19:43.115
there hasn't been this said cost cap in place.

523
00:19:43.165 --> 00:19:47.485
Right? And so if you take out 2021

524
00:19:47.485 --> 00:19:51.165
where there wasn't a cost cap in place either prior to that

525
00:19:52.715 --> 00:19:54.495
you had to do these regulation changes

526
00:19:54.565 --> 00:19:57.295
because it was impossible for anyone to catch up for

527
00:19:57.295 --> 00:19:58.295
<v Speaker 1>Teams to catch up.</v>

528
00:19:58.295 --> 00:19:59.815
Yes. That is a great point. That's

529
00:19:59.815 --> 00:20:00.815
<v Speaker 3>A great point.</v>

530
00:20:01.395 --> 00:20:04.495
Now F1 is gonna have to adapt and, and learn

531
00:20:04.685 --> 00:20:06.375
because ultimately we,

532
00:20:06.515 --> 00:20:08.895
we might not need the refresh every couple years

533
00:20:08.895 --> 00:20:10.655
because teams are able to catch up

534
00:20:10.655 --> 00:20:13.455
because there is only so much you can spend, which is

535
00:20:13.455 --> 00:20:16.335
what I think we got in this year in 2025.

536
00:20:16.995 --> 00:20:18.695
So I think it's a good point,

537
00:20:18.915 --> 00:20:22.575
but I think in, in F one's defense, that's a new thing

538
00:20:22.575 --> 00:20:23.615
that they're having to Right.

539
00:20:23.615 --> 00:20:24.615
Deal with and understand.

540
00:20:25.125 --> 00:20:27.015
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a great point. That's a great point.</v>

541
00:20:27.155 --> 00:20:29.415
But I do wonder because like they're already talking

542
00:20:29.415 --> 00:20:30.975
about 20, 40. Yeah.

543
00:20:31.165 --> 00:20:32.935
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.</v>
<v Speaker 1>because like, you know,</v>

544
00:20:32.935 --> 00:20:34.055
we need to change stuff immediately.

545
00:20:34.055 --> 00:20:35.655
Well we haven't had a single like car run

546
00:20:35.845 --> 00:20:37.695
<v Speaker 3>Some of the things that I've heard regardless</v>

547
00:20:37.955 --> 00:20:41.295
of competitiveness across the teams.

548
00:20:41.815 --> 00:20:43.455
I think there's the potential

549
00:20:43.455 --> 00:20:45.775
that people wanna rule change in 2030 regardless.

550
00:20:46.495 --> 00:20:48.565
<v Speaker 1>A a hundred percent. I 100%.</v>

551
00:20:49.125 --> 00:20:50.205
I think it's, I think the fact

552
00:20:50.205 --> 00:20:51.365
that those conversations are already

553
00:20:51.365 --> 00:20:52.405
happening is because those

554
00:20:52.635 --> 00:20:53.635
<v Speaker 3>Some very specific things.</v>

555
00:20:53.635 --> 00:20:56.245
So speaking, speaking of that, there have been a couple cars

556
00:20:56.475 --> 00:21:00.765
that have been launched, some just liberties,

557
00:21:00.865 --> 00:21:03.005
but there have been some 20, 26 cars

558
00:21:03.005 --> 00:21:04.685
that they've viewed specifically the Audi,

559
00:21:04.685 --> 00:21:08.445
which I think is the clearest representation we've gotten

560
00:21:08.665 --> 00:21:12.005
so far of what a 2026 F1 car is gonna look like.

561
00:21:12.945 --> 00:21:14.085
Um, and I'm gonna be the first

562
00:21:14.085 --> 00:21:16.125
to say it super underwhelming.

563
00:21:17.075 --> 00:21:21.485
Like not not any sort of wow factor, um,

564
00:21:21.745 --> 00:21:25.245
to it, which is a little disappointing.

565
00:21:25.705 --> 00:21:30.285
Um, they're kind of in this weird purgatory

566
00:21:30.345 --> 00:21:32.245
of like, okay, yes, the car's simpler.

567
00:21:33.345 --> 00:21:36.565
Um, which is a, is a flashback

568
00:21:36.565 --> 00:21:39.085
to when the cars are super cool and, and awesome,

569
00:21:39.905 --> 00:21:44.415
but like with the size that it is now,

570
00:21:44.715 --> 00:21:47.615
it just is, it's like too big to be simple,

571
00:21:48.195 --> 00:21:52.405
but it's too small to be like cool looking.

572
00:21:52.565 --> 00:21:54.485
I don't know if that makes sense. Like it's just, it's it's,

573
00:21:54.545 --> 00:21:58.325
it, it, it looks like a, like a, like a like a little bit

574
00:21:59.465 --> 00:22:01.995
more intense version of an F two car,

575
00:22:02.165 --> 00:22:03.395
which maybe was their idea.

576
00:22:03.905 --> 00:22:05.755
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, you're right. But it kinda looks like an f</v>

577
00:22:05.755 --> 00:22:07.395
an f two car on steroids. Right?

578
00:22:07.395 --> 00:22:08.435
<v Speaker 3>Exactly. Yeah.</v>

579
00:22:08.575 --> 00:22:10.275
<v Speaker 1>Um, but it's funny 'cause we were, so we,</v>

580
00:22:10.275 --> 00:22:11.915
we had this discussion, you and I were talking about this

581
00:22:11.915 --> 00:22:13.195
yesterday or the other day, whatever it was.

582
00:22:13.215 --> 00:22:14.715
And so like, I've been thinking about it

583
00:22:14.715 --> 00:22:16.075
because it has sort of bothered me

584
00:22:16.075 --> 00:22:17.075
because I had this same thought.

585
00:22:17.075 --> 00:22:18.915
Like, you look at it, you're like, oh, that just looks like,

586
00:22:19.225 --> 00:22:20.795
yeah, it looks like a spect car.

587
00:22:21.045 --> 00:22:25.315
Right, right. I guess until we have more,

588
00:22:25.855 --> 00:22:28.315
um, more cars launched,

589
00:22:28.375 --> 00:22:31.035
and again, every team will tell you what you see

590
00:22:31.575 --> 00:22:34.195
at the livery unveil is gonna be very different than

591
00:22:34.195 --> 00:22:36.675
what you see at Barcelona, at Bahrain,

592
00:22:36.675 --> 00:22:38.755
and ultimately at Melbourne for the first race.

593
00:22:39.415 --> 00:22:42.075
So I'm gonna hold off complete judgment until we get

594
00:22:42.075 --> 00:22:43.475
to the actual first Grand Prix.

595
00:22:43.475 --> 00:22:44.475
And we've seen all the cars

596
00:22:44.495 --> 00:22:46.875
and they've all been put into whatever their race back is.

597
00:22:47.775 --> 00:22:52.435
But it does seem like, like the last generation, yes,

598
00:22:52.435 --> 00:22:56.515
they were too big for racing, but they, they looked cool.

599
00:22:56.745 --> 00:22:59.995
Like they were low, they were wide, they were mean looking,

600
00:23:00.065 --> 00:23:02.355
they looked like little fighter jets on the ground, right?

601
00:23:02.355 --> 00:23:05.595
Mm-hmm . And then you think back to that kind of simpler era

602
00:23:05.855 --> 00:23:09.435
and you know, I always kind of default to mid

603
00:23:09.435 --> 00:23:10.555
to late nineties, right?

604
00:23:10.575 --> 00:23:13.235
And I was actually just, when I was out, out in LA with Fox,

605
00:23:13.415 --> 00:23:14.835
we went to the Peterson Museum

606
00:23:15.375 --> 00:23:17.355
and in the vault there, they had this collection

607
00:23:17.355 --> 00:23:20.355
of Formula One cars and there was like a, a 95 Ferrari

608
00:23:20.355 --> 00:23:21.675
and a 98 McLaren.

609
00:23:21.695 --> 00:23:25.435
And I'm looking at them and I'm like, these are very simple.

610
00:23:25.575 --> 00:23:29.555
By today's standards, they, they, they're a lot closer to

611
00:23:30.465 --> 00:23:31.675
what, what Audi showed

612
00:23:32.015 --> 00:23:34.035
and like what we saw of, you know, what we saw

613
00:23:34.235 --> 00:23:38.025
of the Cadillac and what we've seen of the, the Red Bulls

614
00:23:38.025 --> 00:23:39.265
and the, and the racing bulls.

615
00:23:41.605 --> 00:23:43.665
And the more I thought about

616
00:23:44.205 --> 00:23:46.525
how I feel when I look at those mid nineties,

617
00:23:46.985 --> 00:23:48.965
mid late nineties cars, the more I'm like, no,

618
00:23:48.965 --> 00:23:51.245
this is actually not a bad thing, right?

619
00:23:51.315 --> 00:23:56.265
Like it's the, the, at the end of the day,

620
00:23:56.265 --> 00:23:57.345
if they race well,

621
00:23:57.375 --> 00:23:59.065
like the cars are gonna be different, right?

622
00:23:59.195 --> 00:24:01.465
We've only really seen one properly. Mm-hmm.

623
00:24:01.465 --> 00:24:03.305
So the cars are gonna be different.

624
00:24:03.845 --> 00:24:05.625
So you're gonna be able to differentiate them in some

625
00:24:05.865 --> 00:24:08.185
capacity and as long as they race well,

626
00:24:08.865 --> 00:24:11.625
I don't think they have to look like the 2008 McLaren,

627
00:24:11.625 --> 00:24:12.625
which was like, to me, one

628
00:24:12.625 --> 00:24:14.425
of the sexiest Formula one cars ever made.

629
00:24:14.645 --> 00:24:16.025
You know, it looks like a little spaceship.

630
00:24:17.005 --> 00:24:18.945
Uh, they just, they, they need to sound good.

631
00:24:18.945 --> 00:24:22.105
They need to race well. I mean, they still look cool.

632
00:24:22.375 --> 00:24:25.025
It's just, I think we've been spoiled a little bit almost in

633
00:24:25.025 --> 00:24:27.145
some of the previous, like couple years

634
00:24:27.365 --> 00:24:28.665
or a couple generations ago.

635
00:24:32.705 --> 00:24:34.225
<v Speaker 3>I guess time will tell, time will tell.</v>

636
00:24:34.405 --> 00:24:36.865
I'm less optimistic than you are just

637
00:24:36.865 --> 00:24:41.745
because Formula One, formula One is supposed to be this,

638
00:24:41.935 --> 00:24:45.585
this idea of what's unattainable, right?

639
00:24:45.585 --> 00:24:48.985
Mm-hmm . From a performance standpoint, from a

640
00:24:49.795 --> 00:24:50.865
event standpoint,

641
00:24:52.355 --> 00:24:54.845
just everything about it is supposed to be alright.

642
00:24:54.845 --> 00:24:58.205
This is the, the highest level of everything

643
00:24:58.205 --> 00:25:01.485
that you can possibly get Motorsport all in one place.

644
00:25:01.745 --> 00:25:06.295
Mm-hmm . And currently I will say that

645
00:25:06.995 --> 00:25:09.255
the car does not represent that.

646
00:25:10.335 --> 00:25:11.815
<v Speaker 1>I, I think,</v>
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it'll be interesting.</v>

647
00:25:12.795 --> 00:25:14.575
<v Speaker 1>I'm really interested to have this conversation again</v>

648
00:25:14.785 --> 00:25:16.935
after the first grumpy, just to see how much,

649
00:25:17.055 --> 00:25:18.775
'cause like I think back to when

650
00:25:19.535 --> 00:25:22.695
F1 first announced the ground effects

651
00:25:22.705 --> 00:25:24.935
rules set, right?

652
00:25:25.195 --> 00:25:27.015
And they had like a show card done up in

653
00:25:27.055 --> 00:25:28.135
F1 Liberty or whatever.

654
00:25:28.995 --> 00:25:32.175
And when you saw it, you are like, okay, it's, it's bigger

655
00:25:32.175 --> 00:25:33.415
and it looks okay, it looks kind of cool,

656
00:25:34.515 --> 00:25:38.545
but it was so simple, you know, it was so kind

657
00:25:38.545 --> 00:25:41.985
of bland in all the aerodynamic stuff and side pod shape

658
00:25:42.085 --> 00:25:43.265
and all that stuff compared to

659
00:25:43.265 --> 00:25:45.025
what ended up actually being on the race cars.

660
00:25:45.025 --> 00:25:46.585
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I, and I wonder if

661
00:25:46.585 --> 00:25:48.505
that's like a version of what we're seeing now.

662
00:25:48.685 --> 00:25:51.065
So time will tell the, uh,

663
00:25:51.165 --> 00:25:53.705
the Audi livery itself is getting a lot of, uh, a lot

664
00:25:53.705 --> 00:25:56.185
of on the internet and rightly so. 'cause it's pretty ugly

665
00:25:57.105 --> 00:25:58.345
<v Speaker 3>pretty bad, pretty bad.</v>

666
00:25:58.565 --> 00:26:01.665
<v Speaker 1>People compare you to like an energizer, uh, battery.</v>

667
00:26:02.075 --> 00:26:04.225
There was one, one guy posted something.

668
00:26:04.225 --> 00:26:07.145
It looks exactly like a, like an Old Spice deodorant.

669
00:26:07.145 --> 00:26:09.065
Like the colors are exactly the same.

670
00:26:09.175 --> 00:26:12.705
It's the red, like line red, gray. So funny man.

671
00:26:12.705 --> 00:26:16.425
<v Speaker 3>It's very German. It's very, yeah. Yeah.</v>

672
00:26:17.345 --> 00:26:19.465
<v Speaker 2>I feel like when it comes to that, these companies need</v>

673
00:26:19.465 --> 00:26:22.065
to just hire like a few people in their twenties

674
00:26:22.165 --> 00:26:23.785
who are just chronically online.

675
00:26:24.365 --> 00:26:26.145
And so it's like, all right, you develop everything

676
00:26:26.145 --> 00:26:27.185
before you release it.

677
00:26:27.185 --> 00:26:28.625
You're just gonna run it by these guys

678
00:26:28.645 --> 00:26:30.545
and say, how would you make fun of this?

679
00:26:31.045 --> 00:26:33.145
And just figure out whatever it's gonna be smart.

680
00:26:33.145 --> 00:26:35.345
Smart, right? It's like your, your last stop gap,

681
00:26:35.705 --> 00:26:36.705
<v Speaker 1>I feel like.</v>

682
00:26:36.705 --> 00:26:38.425
I feel like the Red Bulls, the racing bulls look pretty

683
00:26:38.425 --> 00:26:39.425
sick, like the white.

684
00:26:39.425 --> 00:26:40.905
Mm-hmm . Pretty sharp. The Red

685
00:26:40.905 --> 00:26:41.945
Bull just looks like a Red Bull.

686
00:26:42.455 --> 00:26:43.485
<v Speaker 3>They do a good job. Extra blue.</v>

687
00:26:43.505 --> 00:26:45.725
The, the Red Bull's got that like glitter.

688
00:26:45.955 --> 00:26:48.605
It's like a glittery blue now though, which is pretty,

689
00:26:49.035 --> 00:26:50.045
yeah, it looks pretty good.

690
00:26:50.545 --> 00:26:54.325
I'm sure it'll look. Alright, well all of that is fun

691
00:26:54.325 --> 00:26:57.485
to talk about, but ultimately it does not matter

692
00:26:57.485 --> 00:27:00.565
because those cars are not racing currently.

693
00:27:00.945 --> 00:27:04.325
But I can tell you what cars are racing currently. Tell me.

694
00:27:04.345 --> 00:27:08.405
And that is our young, uh, what is it?

695
00:27:08.795 --> 00:27:11.565
International Motor Sports

696
00:27:12.705 --> 00:27:14.805
Sports Car Association.

697
00:27:14.915 --> 00:27:16.045
What does ims A stand for?

698
00:27:16.465 --> 00:27:18.565
<v Speaker 1>Tim, I need you to Google</v>

699
00:27:19.235 --> 00:27:20.245
this is when you, you're supposed to, how

700
00:27:20.245 --> 00:27:21.245
<v Speaker 3>Do you not know that James?</v>

701
00:27:21.245 --> 00:27:23.605
<v Speaker 1>Honest stuff.</v>
<v Speaker 3>International Motor Sports</v>

702
00:27:23.915 --> 00:27:25.245
Association. Okay.

703
00:27:25.555 --> 00:27:27.485
<v Speaker 1>Okay. I thought, yeah, I thought you got me thinking</v>

704
00:27:27.485 --> 00:27:29.125
that sports car was in there somewhere. .

705
00:27:30.155 --> 00:27:33.085
That seems too simple. That was like the on the multiple

706
00:27:33.085 --> 00:27:34.085
<v Speaker 3>Choice.</v>

707
00:27:34.085 --> 00:27:34.445
Well, it's weird. It's weird because

708
00:27:34.575 --> 00:27:37.885
<v Speaker 1>Can't be that because</v>
<v Speaker 3>Motor sports isn't too words.</v>

709
00:27:38.385 --> 00:27:40.765
So it's weird that it has its own acronym. Acronym.

710
00:27:40.865 --> 00:27:42.165
<v Speaker 1>You know what's funny man, is I always type it</v>

711
00:27:42.165 --> 00:27:45.405
as one word, but then Apple always underlines it in red.

712
00:27:45.745 --> 00:27:47.845
So I feel like it might actually be two words

713
00:27:47.985 --> 00:27:50.525
and we just, in the biz, we just don't do that.

714
00:27:50.865 --> 00:27:52.125
<v Speaker 3>Not according to the dictionary,</v>

715
00:27:52.345 --> 00:27:55.285
<v Speaker 1>But yes, there is some SSA racing coming.</v>

716
00:27:55.745 --> 00:28:00.325
We have roared the roar before the 24, uh, is is done

717
00:28:00.325 --> 00:28:04.215
and dusted and yeah, I mean, nobody knows anything.

718
00:28:04.315 --> 00:28:06.815
That's the, the beauty of the roar. That's

719
00:28:06.815 --> 00:28:09.975
<v Speaker 3>The fun part about the International Motor Sports Sports</v>

720
00:28:10.165 --> 00:28:11.575
Cars Association. Nope,

721
00:28:11.665 --> 00:28:12.665
<v Speaker 1>Don't add stuff.</v>

722
00:28:12.665 --> 00:28:14.455
Oh, so it should be ica.

723
00:28:14.725 --> 00:28:17.015
<v Speaker 3>Well, it shouldn't be a at all. It should be</v>

724
00:28:17.015 --> 00:28:18.015
Emma
<v Speaker 1>.</v>

725
00:28:18.715 --> 00:28:22.855
I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, yeah, I mean, look guys, the, the,

726
00:28:22.855 --> 00:28:23.935
you can't tell anything from the test.

727
00:28:23.935 --> 00:28:25.255
That's, that's, I mean that's kind

728
00:28:25.255 --> 00:28:26.295
of true of all motors sports.

729
00:28:26.405 --> 00:28:29.575
It's exceptionally exaggerated in, uh,

730
00:28:29.575 --> 00:28:31.295
sports car racing for various reasons.

731
00:28:31.835 --> 00:28:34.215
But, um, our tests went really well.

732
00:28:34.555 --> 00:28:37.055
Uh, the car is running great, which is nice.

733
00:28:37.425 --> 00:28:39.215
Still working on a couple little handling things

734
00:28:39.235 --> 00:28:41.495
to make sure it's good for the start of the race

735
00:28:41.565 --> 00:28:44.135
through the night, the end of the race, all that stuff.

736
00:28:44.755 --> 00:28:45.935
Uh, but we're kinda just getting

737
00:28:45.935 --> 00:28:47.735
through our program, which is nice.

738
00:28:47.795 --> 00:28:50.015
It hasn't really been like that at a lot

739
00:28:50.015 --> 00:28:51.735
of Rolex 20 fours for me to be honest.

740
00:28:52.515 --> 00:28:55.735
<v Speaker 3>So you, you had some Fox commitments, um,</v>

741
00:28:55.795 --> 00:28:57.695
so you missed a little bit of the roar,

742
00:28:57.955 --> 00:29:00.015
but by the time you got there, like do you feel like,

743
00:29:00.295 --> 00:29:03.135
I mean, you never feel prepared going into this race,

744
00:29:03.275 --> 00:29:05.215
but did it feel any different this year?

745
00:29:05.875 --> 00:29:07.775
<v Speaker 1>Yes. And so you'll appreciate this, right?</v>

746
00:29:08.115 --> 00:29:09.455
So when you go to the roar

747
00:29:09.455 --> 00:29:13.615
and then, so race week itself, there's like five sessions,

748
00:29:13.615 --> 00:29:14.775
which sounds like a lot.

749
00:29:14.995 --> 00:29:17.935
You get maybe six laps as the fourth driver. Yeah. Right?

750
00:29:18.125 --> 00:29:21.335
Yeah. So the roar is kind of the same thing.

751
00:29:21.335 --> 00:29:22.615
There's two sessions every day.

752
00:29:22.695 --> 00:29:23.975
I think there's three sessions on one day

753
00:29:23.975 --> 00:29:25.815
because they throw a night practice, you're like, oh,

754
00:29:25.815 --> 00:29:27.415
there's so much track time, but you're getting

755
00:29:27.415 --> 00:29:28.895
through four drivers.

756
00:29:29.435 --> 00:29:30.455
But as a bonus guy,

757
00:29:30.455 --> 00:29:31.455
<v Speaker 3>Yellow flag red</v>
<v Speaker 1>Flags.</v>

758
00:29:31.455 --> 00:29:32.855
Right? But as, as the bonus guy,

759
00:29:32.855 --> 00:29:34.775
the race drivers really have to do most of the setup.

760
00:29:34.875 --> 00:29:37.695
You're just kind of like feeling what they're setting up.

761
00:29:37.745 --> 00:29:40.735
Right? So you are somewhat

762
00:29:40.735 --> 00:29:43.685
of a lower priority then you get red flags and, and

763
00:29:43.905 --> 00:29:45.965
<v Speaker 3>Not somewhat they tell you you don't matter</v>

764
00:29:45.965 --> 00:29:47.125
<v Speaker 1>Blatantly You don't matter.</v>

765
00:29:47.125 --> 00:29:49.845
Yeah. You are a seat spacer for a few hours.

766
00:29:49.845 --> 00:29:50.925
Exactly. So our real drivers

767
00:29:51.185 --> 00:29:53.045
<v Speaker 3>Can get to sleep, you drive so that we can sleep. Yeah.</v>

768
00:29:53.055 --> 00:29:57.605
<v Speaker 1>Right. So when, when you get to the race,</v>

769
00:29:57.865 --> 00:30:00.125
you've probably not done more than like

770
00:30:00.955 --> 00:30:02.725
five consecutive laps.

771
00:30:03.345 --> 00:30:06.525
And your total lap count for the week is

772
00:30:06.525 --> 00:30:07.765
for sure is maybe 20.

773
00:30:08.585 --> 00:30:12.765
Yep. And every year you go in feeling under prepared

774
00:30:13.345 --> 00:30:14.965
and then you do your first stint in the race,

775
00:30:15.615 --> 00:30:17.705
which is an hour of uninterrupted,

776
00:30:17.705 --> 00:30:19.105
hopefully maybe there's a yellow or something.

777
00:30:19.105 --> 00:30:21.625
But roughly uninterrupted an hour of running

778
00:30:21.805 --> 00:30:23.305
and it's 30 laps.

779
00:30:24.165 --> 00:30:26.625
And by the end of that first 10 you're like, okay, now I,

780
00:30:26.725 --> 00:30:29.225
now I'm up to, now I'm good, let's go.

781
00:30:29.275 --> 00:30:31.945
Right. Is that true? Is that how you feel? Yeah.

782
00:30:31.985 --> 00:30:33.425
<v Speaker 3>I mean sometimes I've gotten outta the first</v>

783
00:30:33.435 --> 00:30:34.705
stint and still been like, oh my god, .

784
00:30:36.215 --> 00:30:37.705
<v Speaker 1>Okay. But yes,</v>
<v Speaker 3>Generally,</v>

785
00:30:37.705 --> 00:30:39.545
<v Speaker 1>So at minimum you need that first in to be kind</v>

786
00:30:39.545 --> 00:30:41.385
of be in the right realm of like, okay, now we're good.

787
00:30:41.385 --> 00:30:44.865
Right? So, so I missed Friday, which

788
00:30:45.545 --> 00:30:47.585
I think was actually like great for the team

789
00:30:47.615 --> 00:30:49.585
because they could focus on the car,

790
00:30:49.695 --> 00:30:51.425
make sure it's running well, you know,

791
00:30:51.565 --> 00:30:53.865
get the race drivers in like the full season guys,

792
00:30:54.805 --> 00:30:55.985
do some setup work

793
00:30:56.125 --> 00:30:58.745
and not feel the pressure of kind of rushing

794
00:30:58.745 --> 00:31:00.425
through the fourth guy.

795
00:31:00.425 --> 00:31:02.625
Because when you're the fourth guy, it's always like

796
00:31:03.525 --> 00:31:04.665
the plan is for you to do.

797
00:31:04.665 --> 00:31:06.305
There's, it's a, it's a 90 minute session.

798
00:31:06.365 --> 00:31:07.825
So the first half hour is this guy,

799
00:31:07.825 --> 00:31:08.785
second half hour is this guy,

800
00:31:08.785 --> 00:31:09.745
you're gonna be the third half hour.

801
00:31:10.055 --> 00:31:11.545
Well setup changes take longer.

802
00:31:11.545 --> 00:31:12.865
There's a couple red flags,

803
00:31:12.865 --> 00:31:14.705
there's a little mechanical issue that took us back.

804
00:31:14.805 --> 00:31:17.225
So you get like eight minutes at the end of the session

805
00:31:17.245 --> 00:31:19.585
and they're like cutting the other guy's last run short,

806
00:31:19.765 --> 00:31:21.785
not getting a totally honest read just

807
00:31:21.785 --> 00:31:23.745
to fire you out into a bunch of traffic.

808
00:31:24.035 --> 00:31:25.265
First laps, chaos.

809
00:31:25.455 --> 00:31:28.025
Like it's, it's awful for everybody, right? Yep.

810
00:31:28.845 --> 00:31:30.825
So they didn't have that pressure on Friday.

811
00:31:30.935 --> 00:31:32.105
They had a great Friday, ran

812
00:31:32.105 --> 00:31:33.145
through the program, it was great.

813
00:31:33.585 --> 00:31:34.665
Saturday, there was two sessions.

814
00:31:34.735 --> 00:31:37.625
They used the first session with the two full-time guys just

815
00:31:38.445 --> 00:31:40.015
working through the setup changes from

816
00:31:40.015 --> 00:31:41.255
overnight, from from yesterday.

817
00:31:41.915 --> 00:31:44.215
And then the second session was an hour long session.

818
00:31:45.355 --> 00:31:46.775
And they just let me do the whole thing.

819
00:31:48.725 --> 00:31:51.215
They put me in at the green flag, dude, it's even better.

820
00:31:51.245 --> 00:31:53.935
They put me at, they put me at the start full tank

821
00:31:53.935 --> 00:31:55.815
of fuel, new set of tires.

822
00:31:55.995 --> 00:31:57.695
And they were like, just go.

823
00:31:58.835 --> 00:32:01.615
We had no red flags, no mechanical issues.

824
00:32:01.775 --> 00:32:04.855
I drove from the green flag to the checkered flag nonstop.

825
00:32:05.275 --> 00:32:06.575
And it's essentially a stint.

826
00:32:06.575 --> 00:32:07.815
And I got outta the car and I was like, I

827
00:32:07.815 --> 00:32:10.015
feel we can race tomorrow.

828
00:32:10.225 --> 00:32:11.655
Let's go. I don't even need to,

829
00:32:11.695 --> 00:32:12.935
I don't even need to practice this week.

830
00:32:13.105 --> 00:32:14.615
Don't even put me in the car if you don't want to.

831
00:32:15.215 --> 00:32:16.455
I could go into the race tomorrow

832
00:32:16.555 --> 00:32:18.975
and feel better than I have at any point

833
00:32:18.975 --> 00:32:20.295
of my Rolex 24 career.

834
00:32:20.755 --> 00:32:21.935
It is the way to do it.

835
00:32:23.735 --> 00:32:27.295
<v Speaker 3>Hmm.</v>
<v Speaker 1>So good. So good. Hmm. Feel</v>

836
00:32:27.295 --> 00:32:28.375
<v Speaker 3>Great. I bet you got tires too.</v>

837
00:32:28.955 --> 00:32:31.965
<v Speaker 1>So I started on a brand new set, started a brand new set,</v>

838
00:32:31.965 --> 00:32:33.285
full tank of fuel, just run.

839
00:32:33.465 --> 00:32:35.965
Got to work on saving fuel and saving energy.

840
00:32:36.385 --> 00:32:37.725
Got to work on traffic stuff.

841
00:32:38.185 --> 00:32:40.525
Got to just like, feel the, the ti like

842
00:32:40.555 --> 00:32:42.325
what is the balance shift over a stint?

843
00:32:42.325 --> 00:32:46.185
So I'm ready for that, you know, and great. Awesome.

844
00:32:46.985 --> 00:32:49.265
I don't know, I don't know how we've missed this

845
00:32:49.925 --> 00:32:51.545
for the last 12 years.

846
00:32:52.385 --> 00:32:53.585
14 years I've been doing. Yeah, it sounds

847
00:32:53.585 --> 00:32:54.545
<v Speaker 2>Like, it sounds like a much more</v>

848
00:32:54.825 --> 00:32:56.145
efficient use of time too. 'cause

849
00:32:56.895 --> 00:32:57.945
<v Speaker 1>It's the best man.</v>

850
00:32:58.525 --> 00:33:01.905
I'm gonna ins I'm just gonna insist on this next, next year.

851
00:33:01.945 --> 00:33:03.105
I might not even come to the roar.

852
00:33:03.105 --> 00:33:04.105
I'll just show up and like, hey,

853
00:33:04.105 --> 00:33:05.945
first practice on Thursday or whatever.

854
00:33:05.945 --> 00:33:07.105
Just lemme do the whole thing and

855
00:33:07.105 --> 00:33:08.585
then, and then I'll just get in the race.

856
00:33:08.585 --> 00:33:10.025
We're good. So that's where we're at.

857
00:33:10.165 --> 00:33:11.785
That's where we're, so I'm excited about that.

858
00:33:12.485 --> 00:33:14.105
Um, um, you who

859
00:33:14.105 --> 00:33:17.385
<v Speaker 2>Looks, we don't get need to get to me yet.</v>

860
00:33:17.565 --> 00:33:20.785
Who looks good. Um, I know it's hard.

861
00:33:21.065 --> 00:33:22.105
I know it's hard, but still.

862
00:33:22.365 --> 00:33:24.265
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, you can, you can tell certain</v>

863
00:33:24.265 --> 00:33:25.465
<v Speaker 2>Cars will look better than others.</v>

864
00:33:26.365 --> 00:33:29.465
<v Speaker 1>The the Mercedes GT cars look</v>

865
00:33:29.815 --> 00:33:31.505
obnoxiously fast in a straight line.

866
00:33:32.335 --> 00:33:35.185
Nice. And so do the Fords. Mm-hmm .

867
00:33:35.285 --> 00:33:38.505
The difference is the Fords are pretty much all being run

868
00:33:38.525 --> 00:33:40.505
by, I'm trying to pick my words carefully here.

869
00:33:41.105 --> 00:33:43.225
<v Speaker 2>Wanker</v>
<v Speaker 1>Ex? No, no. The opposite.</v>

870
00:33:43.225 --> 00:33:44.585
Experienced professionals

871
00:33:45.195 --> 00:33:47.625
where there are a couple like customer Mercedes cars

872
00:33:48.835 --> 00:33:50.245
that aren't like factory backed

873
00:33:50.345 --> 00:33:53.995
and just lone stars.

874
00:33:54.255 --> 00:33:55.275
You know, guys just kind

875
00:33:55.275 --> 00:33:56.915
of like shooting from the hip doing their own

876
00:33:56.915 --> 00:33:58.275
thing. Hmm. And um, it

877
00:33:58.275 --> 00:33:59.275
<v Speaker 2>Sounds like blinkers to me.</v>

878
00:33:59.545 --> 00:34:03.355
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah. So, but there's, there's a couple,</v>

879
00:34:03.355 --> 00:34:07.235
there's multiple cars that are running in the pro class,

880
00:34:07.455 --> 00:34:09.435
but they have an AM driver just

881
00:34:09.435 --> 00:34:10.675
because they wanna win the pro class

882
00:34:10.675 --> 00:34:12.755
and they can just do the driver minimum with the pro,

883
00:34:12.785 --> 00:34:14.155
with the am and it doesn't really matter.

884
00:34:14.615 --> 00:34:16.115
So they got three pros and,

885
00:34:16.335 --> 00:34:18.595
and one guy paying bills probably,

886
00:34:19.095 --> 00:34:21.475
but like that guy doesn't understand the game.

887
00:34:22.575 --> 00:34:25.195
And some of the lap times that these bronze,

888
00:34:25.465 --> 00:34:27.515
amateur guys are setting in those cars,

889
00:34:27.545 --> 00:34:29.115
it's like, oh my god.

890
00:34:29.735 --> 00:34:32.075
Oh my god. Oh my god.

891
00:34:32.425 --> 00:34:34.395
Like if a Mercedes doesn't win this race,

892
00:34:34.395 --> 00:34:36.395
they &lt;inaudible&gt; something up  or inside.

893
00:34:36.395 --> 00:34:37.555
<v Speaker 2>So say they, so when they don't understand,</v>

894
00:34:37.705 --> 00:34:39.315
when you say they don't understand the game,

895
00:34:39.735 --> 00:34:41.555
are you saying like everybody else is

896
00:34:41.555 --> 00:34:42.835
sandbagging a little bit? Or

897
00:34:43.455 --> 00:34:44.835
<v Speaker 1>If you have a super fast car?</v>

898
00:34:45.455 --> 00:34:47.155
Yes. Yeah, you basically have to kind

899
00:34:47.155 --> 00:34:48.515
of just not show your whole hand.

900
00:34:48.515 --> 00:34:50.235
That's just the nature of sports car racing.

901
00:34:50.695 --> 00:34:53.035
Now if you don't have a super fast car, you're like trying

902
00:34:53.035 --> 00:34:54.915
to get to the laptop that everyone else is just

903
00:34:54.915 --> 00:34:56.875
doing by default.

904
00:34:57.175 --> 00:34:58.715
And that's, you know,

905
00:34:58.825 --> 00:35:00.635
I've been on every side of this equation.

906
00:35:01.535 --> 00:35:04.235
Um, but ma'am some of these guys just don't get it

907
00:35:04.415 --> 00:35:06.275
and it is comical to see.

908
00:35:06.455 --> 00:35:09.035
So I would be so shocked if there's not slight changes

909
00:35:09.095 --> 00:35:11.115
for the race to at least the Mercedes.

910
00:35:11.435 --> 00:35:13.555
I would love to see a difference to the Fords as well, just

911
00:35:13.555 --> 00:35:15.275
because they're also ridiculously

912
00:35:15.275 --> 00:35:16.515
fast, but they're just hiding it better.

913
00:35:17.255 --> 00:35:19.755
Um, but we'll see. We'll see.

914
00:35:19.795 --> 00:35:21.275
I don't know where I legitimately don't know

915
00:35:21.275 --> 00:35:22.595
where we are, so,

916
00:35:23.375 --> 00:35:25.075
<v Speaker 2>So you don't, you don't wanna show your whole hand</v>

917
00:35:25.075 --> 00:35:28.195
because it, they'll change your car for BOP or?

918
00:35:28.265 --> 00:35:29.515
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Okay.</v>

919
00:35:29.515 --> 00:35:32.475
The, the series has the right to adjust the, the BOP,

920
00:35:32.475 --> 00:35:34.995
the balance of performance, which is the formula

921
00:35:35.305 --> 00:35:38.845
that they use to equalize the different manufacturers.

922
00:35:39.125 --> 00:35:42.405
'cause on paper, a Ford Mustang should not be racing a

923
00:35:42.925 --> 00:35:44.925
Ferrari, you know, uh,

924
00:35:45.065 --> 00:35:48.165
should not be racing A Lexus should not be racing a Porsche.

925
00:35:48.165 --> 00:35:50.205
They're all different cars. So they have this formula

926
00:35:50.355 --> 00:35:55.085
that adjusts things like power and, uh, top speed and weight

927
00:35:55.105 --> 00:35:56.765
and fuel capacity and whatever.

928
00:35:57.505 --> 00:36:00.445
Um, so anyway, if you,

929
00:36:00.505 --> 00:36:03.365
if you do something silly at the roar, they can adjust

930
00:36:03.365 --> 00:36:04.765
that BOP for the race.

931
00:36:04.825 --> 00:36:06.205
And so everyone's trying to avoid getting

932
00:36:06.485 --> 00:36:07.565
anything negative for the race.

933
00:36:08.905 --> 00:36:10.605
So we'll see. But those guys do look strong.

934
00:36:10.875 --> 00:36:13.045
That is for sure. I have not been, been attention

935
00:36:13.045 --> 00:36:14.245
to prototype stuff at all.

936
00:36:14.565 --> 00:36:15.405
I don't even know who's quick.

937
00:36:15.515 --> 00:36:16.485
I've not been paying attention.

938
00:36:17.155 --> 00:36:19.565
It's, uh, we've been running our own deal

939
00:36:19.625 --> 00:36:21.485
and focused on that, so, uh,

940
00:36:21.785 --> 00:36:24.125
I'm not entirely sure what's happening in the big class,

941
00:36:24.305 --> 00:36:26.005
but it's a pretty good,

942
00:36:26.005 --> 00:36:27.765
like pretty good IndyCar contingent here.

943
00:36:28.235 --> 00:36:30.605
Yeah. There's more guys than I remembered when we were

944
00:36:30.605 --> 00:36:32.005
talking about it other last week

945
00:36:32.025 --> 00:36:33.525
or the week before. Yep. So

946
00:36:33.955 --> 00:36:34.955
<v Speaker 3>Good.</v>

947
00:36:34.955 --> 00:36:36.045
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, man, it's nice to be back. Love it behind the</v>

948
00:36:36.045 --> 00:36:37.045
<v Speaker 3>Wheel.</v>

949
00:36:37.045 --> 00:36:39.685
Love it. Well, I can't wait to, uh, watch on Sunday.

950
00:36:40.225 --> 00:36:42.885
Um, at very selective times. I'll watch the start.

951
00:36:42.885 --> 00:36:44.485
Very selective times. Very, I'll probably watch

952
00:36:45.155 --> 00:36:46.285
your first stint.

953
00:36:47.145 --> 00:36:49.405
Um, I'll probably watch, you know,

954
00:36:49.485 --> 00:36:51.925
a good chunk in the middle of the night when I'm up

955
00:36:51.925 --> 00:36:55.725
with the little guy and then, uh, I'll watch the finish. So

956
00:36:56.185 --> 00:36:57.805
<v Speaker 1>That's a good strategy. That's</v>

957
00:36:57.805 --> 00:36:59.885
<v Speaker 3>Really all, all you need to see, quite frankly. That's</v>

958
00:36:59.885 --> 00:37:00.885
<v Speaker 2>Really it.</v>

959
00:37:00.885 --> 00:37:00.965
When he says up with the

960
00:37:00.965 --> 00:37:02.085
little guy, he means hanging out with

961
00:37:02.085 --> 00:37:03.085
deep
<v Speaker 1>.</v>

962
00:37:05.665 --> 00:37:07.685
Uh, I mean, you mentioned didn't.

963
00:37:07.725 --> 00:37:10.165
<v Speaker 3>I don't, he would be up at that hour and he is little. So</v>

964
00:37:10.235 --> 00:37:11.235
<v Speaker 1>That is true.</v>

965
00:37:11.235 --> 00:37:13.645
All that is factual. Um, you mentioned

966
00:37:13.645 --> 00:37:15.965
that I was in LA for Fox stuff.

967
00:37:16.965 --> 00:37:18.885
I don't think we, we haven't talked about

968
00:37:18.885 --> 00:37:20.445
Joseph's commercial yet, have we? We

969
00:37:20.445 --> 00:37:21.085
<v Speaker 3>Have not. We have not.</v>

970
00:37:21.825 --> 00:37:22.805
<v Speaker 1>We should talk about Joseph's</v>

971
00:37:22.805 --> 00:37:24.125
commercial. What did we think? Think of

972
00:37:24.205 --> 00:37:25.205
<v Speaker 3>Speaking of dead bodies and pools.</v>
<v Speaker 1>.</v>

973
00:37:26.345 --> 00:37:28.525
That's true. There was kind

974
00:37:28.525 --> 00:37:29.925
of both of those things in that commercial.

975
00:37:30.195 --> 00:37:31.685
Yeah. Uh, what was your

976
00:37:31.685 --> 00:37:32.685
<v Speaker 2>Initial reaction?</v>

977
00:37:32.685 --> 00:37:34.445
I understand why they put the date on the meat

978
00:37:34.585 --> 00:37:36.085
of his indie 500 win,

979
00:37:36.085 --> 00:37:37.405
but I was just thinking to myself like,

980
00:37:37.405 --> 00:37:40.205
that's expired ground beef by like a year. I'm sorry,

981
00:37:40.235 --> 00:37:41.235
<v Speaker 3>What?</v>

982
00:37:41.235 --> 00:37:41.525
<v Speaker 1>Sorry. That you clocked</v>

983
00:37:41.525 --> 00:37:42.525
<v Speaker 2>That the best buy date.</v>

984
00:37:42.875 --> 00:37:46.205
Yeah. On the ground beef was the date that he won the 500.

985
00:37:46.935 --> 00:37:48.955
But that was, why did you see that?

986
00:37:48.955 --> 00:37:50.115
That means that means means it really expired.

987
00:37:50.655 --> 00:37:52.235
You guys didn't, it was very large.

988
00:37:52.775 --> 00:37:54.635
<v Speaker 3>No.</v>
<v Speaker 1>Hmm. I did notice that,</v>

989
00:37:54.735 --> 00:37:58.195
but I only saw it one time quickly in passing. Same. Um,

990
00:37:58.535 --> 00:37:59.915
<v Speaker 3>Um, what did I think?</v>

991
00:38:00.115 --> 00:38:02.315
I thought, I thought it was awesome

992
00:38:02.425 --> 00:38:05.635
because some of the most popular

993
00:38:05.975 --> 00:38:10.475
and talked about television shows these days are all kind

994
00:38:10.475 --> 00:38:12.475
of either docuseries

995
00:38:12.695 --> 00:38:16.115
or fictional series about

996
00:38:17.265 --> 00:38:19.605
the neighborhood serial killer guy,

997
00:38:19.665 --> 00:38:22.005
but on the face is a normal guy

998
00:38:22.385 --> 00:38:25.325
or at least appears to be for some part of the show.

999
00:38:25.945 --> 00:38:28.645
Um, and they're really enjoyable and entertaining to watch.

1000
00:38:29.385 --> 00:38:33.405
And so I think you got you, you nailed like secular culture

1001
00:38:33.905 --> 00:38:35.325
and what's current with that.

1002
00:38:35.925 --> 00:38:38.045
I think that fits Joseph's personality.

1003
00:38:38.105 --> 00:38:39.285
Not that Joseph kills people,

1004
00:38:39.505 --> 00:38:41.445
but Joseph is, he does so very intense.

1005
00:38:41.705 --> 00:38:43.365
He does individual right.

1006
00:38:43.745 --> 00:38:48.325
Um, who commits his entire life

1007
00:38:48.665 --> 00:38:51.685
and mental energy to

1008
00:38:52.305 --> 00:38:53.895
being the best race car driver

1009
00:38:53.915 --> 00:38:55.735
and version of himself that he can be.

1010
00:38:56.395 --> 00:38:59.535
Um, and so I thought it really played on who he is

1011
00:38:59.555 --> 00:39:01.495
as a person, his success on track,

1012
00:39:01.555 --> 00:39:03.815
and also what people like to watch on television.

1013
00:39:03.875 --> 00:39:07.255
So it was a, a plus for me on that one.

1014
00:39:07.355 --> 00:39:08.735
<v Speaker 1>And, and I just loved the, like,</v>

1015
00:39:08.815 --> 00:39:10.775
I loved the narrative the way they kind of went like,

1016
00:39:10.885 --> 00:39:13.695
well he did rip a guy's heart out last May or whatever.

1017
00:39:13.845 --> 00:39:16.735
Yeah. It's just incredible because it's so true.

1018
00:39:16.925 --> 00:39:19.295
Like, that is the only thing you can describe that like

1019
00:39:19.295 --> 00:39:20.695
what Pata was feeling in that moment.

1020
00:39:20.695 --> 00:39:23.975
Right. And, uh, the way they did it.

1021
00:39:23.975 --> 00:39:26.615
And then I gotta, I gotta give the guy props, man.

1022
00:39:26.615 --> 00:39:28.295
Like he's got some acting chops.

1023
00:39:28.475 --> 00:39:31.775
The the way when, when they're like talking about it

1024
00:39:31.795 --> 00:39:34.535
and he's got the, he takes the ground beef throws on the

1025
00:39:34.535 --> 00:39:35.895
grill and he looks up at 'em and he goes

1026
00:39:38.055 --> 00:39:40.515
and he's just like licking the blood off his fingers

1027
00:39:40.525 --> 00:39:41.595
while staring them down.

1028
00:39:42.015 --> 00:39:44.715
It was . It was &lt;inaudible&gt; scary. He did a good job.

1029
00:39:45.155 --> 00:39:47.715
I was very impressed. I was impressed with the, uh,

1030
00:39:47.895 --> 00:39:49.435
the concept, the execution.

1031
00:39:49.775 --> 00:39:51.755
It was great. It was great. The

1032
00:39:51.755 --> 00:39:53.475
<v Speaker 3>Scary part for me was the expired mate.</v>

1033
00:39:54.105 --> 00:39:56.355
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's, yeah, it's weird. You're so weird, huh?</v>

1034
00:39:56.355 --> 00:39:57.715
It's weird that that's what you So weird, huh?

1035
00:39:58.295 --> 00:39:59.835
Um, I mean he wasn't eating it.

1036
00:39:59.835 --> 00:40:00.955
He was just making it for everybody else.

1037
00:40:01.935 --> 00:40:04.395
Um, so Pat's got a commercial that's coming out.

1038
00:40:04.425 --> 00:40:06.035
There's two others after that.

1039
00:40:06.615 --> 00:40:09.355
Um, I'm not sure exactly when they're all launching,

1040
00:40:09.355 --> 00:40:11.715
but it's, that's how, you know, it's, I I love the end

1041
00:40:11.715 --> 00:40:12.955
of football season 'cause we get

1042
00:40:12.955 --> 00:40:14.635
to start seeing IndyCar commercials, so I'm like, oh,

1043
00:40:14.635 --> 00:40:15.875
that means IndyCar season's coming up.

1044
00:40:15.915 --> 00:40:18.355
I like that. So this is cool. Kudos to Fox. Mm-hmm .

1045
00:40:18.435 --> 00:40:20.075
We're getting those in some pretty big games

1046
00:40:20.455 --> 00:40:22.035
and uh, I imagine we're gonna see more of that

1047
00:40:22.335 --> 00:40:24.995
<v Speaker 3>And thank you, um, to Fox, not just kudos.</v>

1048
00:40:25.205 --> 00:40:28.835
Thank you very much for continually driving our

1049
00:40:28.835 --> 00:40:30.195
marketing efforts forward.

1050
00:40:30.525 --> 00:40:33.395
Thank you. I wanna just kind again say I'm available

1051
00:40:33.455 --> 00:40:34.835
to be in any of these commercials.

1052
00:40:35.335 --> 00:40:37.715
Mm. No one they're aware. I could have been the neighbor.

1053
00:40:38.015 --> 00:40:39.315
<v Speaker 1>You know, they're aware. Yeah.</v>

1054
00:40:39.575 --> 00:40:41.875
So I just want to touch on one thing from last

1055
00:40:41.895 --> 00:40:43.915
or two weeks ago real quick before we go.

1056
00:40:44.165 --> 00:40:45.795
Becky and I had a funny exchange

1057
00:40:47.525 --> 00:40:49.635
after our Peach Bowl episode

1058
00:40:49.865 --> 00:40:52.435
because, you know, Tim, you brought up the,

1059
00:40:52.575 --> 00:40:55.795
the Mark Cuban story, which we then told on the show,

1060
00:40:56.205 --> 00:40:59.555
which evidently I had forgot to tell Becky.

1061
00:41:01.405 --> 00:41:05.935
Um, and, and so I guess she listened to the show

1062
00:41:06.475 --> 00:41:10.695
and she was just like, you, you just met Mark.

1063
00:41:10.695 --> 00:41:12.055
Like Mark Cuban just came up

1064
00:41:12.055 --> 00:41:13.295
to you guys and shook your hand.

1065
00:41:13.835 --> 00:41:15.575
I'm like, oh yeah, yeah, no, it was really cool.

1066
00:41:15.635 --> 00:41:17.495
And I started telling, she's like, no, no, no, no, no.

1067
00:41:17.495 --> 00:41:20.215
I heard this story from the podcast James.

1068
00:41:20.315 --> 00:41:22.335
She goes, she goes, she's getting so mad.

1069
00:41:22.335 --> 00:41:23.935
She was like, I don't want this life James.

1070
00:41:24.255 --> 00:41:27.135
I don't want this life  . You don't tell me anything.

1071
00:41:27.215 --> 00:41:28.215
I don't know what's happening in your life.

1072
00:41:28.215 --> 00:41:30.015
Listen, listen to the podcast. And I'm like,

1073
00:41:30.015 --> 00:41:31.175
and in my head I'm like, Tim really

1074
00:41:31.375 --> 00:41:33.365
&lt;inaudible&gt; me on that one, man. He really, how

1075
00:41:33.365 --> 00:41:34.365
<v Speaker 2>Is that my fault?</v>
<v Speaker 3>?</v>

1076
00:41:34.865 --> 00:41:36.525
Sounds like you ain't even talk to your wife more

1077
00:41:36.635 --> 00:41:37.925
<v Speaker 1>Because you brought it up.</v>

1078
00:41:38.065 --> 00:41:40.525
No, I have a terrible memory. I've hit my head a lot

1079
00:41:40.635 --> 00:41:41.635
<v Speaker 2>Guys.</v>

1080
00:41:41.635 --> 00:41:42.885
You're also, there's no way I brought it up

1081
00:41:42.885 --> 00:41:44.685
because I didn't know about it

1082
00:41:44.975 --> 00:41:47.165
until I heard about it when you were recording it.

1083
00:41:47.715 --> 00:41:49.085
<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, you left</v>
<v Speaker 4>In</v>

1084
00:41:49.085 --> 00:41:50.205
the show. You're the editors complete

1085
00:41:50.275 --> 00:41:51.275
<v Speaker 1>Problem.</v>

1086
00:41:51.275 --> 00:41:53.685
Yeah. Yes. I know, I know.

1087
00:41:53.985 --> 00:41:55.405
I'm just trying to deflect blame

1088
00:41:55.405 --> 00:41:57.565
because I have a terrible memory.

1089
00:41:57.865 --> 00:41:59.405
But yeah, she, it was, it was funny,

1090
00:41:59.745 --> 00:42:02.165
but she was like, I don't want this life.

1091
00:42:02.965 --> 00:42:04.845
I was trying really hard not to laugh,

1092
00:42:04.845 --> 00:42:06.085
but I was definitely laughing inside.

1093
00:42:06.625 --> 00:42:09.845
Um, so yeah, I need to be better at remembering stuff.

1094
00:42:10.305 --> 00:42:12.525
Uh, I need to start listening to our episodes back

1095
00:42:12.625 --> 00:42:14.845
and then be like, oh yeah, I should probably mention that

1096
00:42:14.845 --> 00:42:17.445
to Becky before Tim posts this episode. Well,

1097
00:42:18.085 --> 00:42:19.085
<v Speaker 2>Unbelievable.</v>

1098
00:42:19.085 --> 00:42:20.325
Unbelievable that I'm catching strays

1099
00:42:20.345 --> 00:42:22.125
for your dysfunctional marriage. .

1100
00:42:22.755 --> 00:42:23.765
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah.</v>

1101
00:42:24.315 --> 00:42:26.205
<v Speaker 1>What, uh, what are you up to this weekend, Alex,</v>

1102
00:42:26.535 --> 00:42:29.685
other than your three hours of watching the Rolexs 24,

1103
00:42:30.035 --> 00:42:31.765
<v Speaker 3>Well, seven hours of watching football.</v>

1104
00:42:32.065 --> 00:42:34.925
<v Speaker 1>Who do you think is going to the Super Bowl?</v>

1105
00:42:35.725 --> 00:42:38.525
<v Speaker 3>I think it is the Seahawks and the Patriots.</v>

1106
00:42:39.305 --> 00:42:41.365
<v Speaker 1>All right. And are you still Patriots guy</v>

1107
00:42:41.505 --> 00:42:42.885
or were you just a Tom Brady guy?

1108
00:42:43.145 --> 00:42:45.605
Tom Brady guy. So do you care who wins if it's that?

1109
00:42:45.905 --> 00:42:47.325
No, well look, the highlight

1110
00:42:47.405 --> 00:42:51.445
of the sewer bowl is clearly gonna be my nanny, um, report,

1111
00:42:51.935 --> 00:42:53.805
which I really have to finish

1112
00:42:53.995 --> 00:42:55.765
because I'm still,

1113
00:42:55.765 --> 00:42:57.285
still got a few seasons to go on my writing.

1114
00:42:57.285 --> 00:43:00.085
<v Speaker 3>Funny story. Um, I'm not gonna be there. So</v>

1115
00:43:00.715 --> 00:43:01.725
<v Speaker 1>What, where are you gonna be?</v>

1116
00:43:02.625 --> 00:43:04.165
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna be in Florida. What's in</v>

1117
00:43:04.165 --> 00:43:05.165
<v Speaker 1>Florida?</v>

1118
00:43:05.165 --> 00:43:06.685
<v Speaker 3>Something that Canadians can't come to.</v>

1119
00:43:06.715 --> 00:43:07.885
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Oh, that's, we'll get into that.</v>

1120
00:43:07.885 --> 00:43:09.285
That's over Super Bowl. Yeah,

1121
00:43:09.355 --> 00:43:11.165
<v Speaker 2>It's the, it's the Friday before it.</v>

1122
00:43:11.165 --> 00:43:12.325
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. And then test.</v>

1123
00:43:12.325 --> 00:43:13.445
<v Speaker 2>We'll get into that on a future episode.</v>

1124
00:43:13.945 --> 00:43:15.405
I'm very excited about it. Ah,

1125
00:43:16.035 --> 00:43:17.035
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.</v>

1126
00:43:17.035 --> 00:43:18.285
I was, I I I learned from Tim Alex

1127
00:43:18.285 --> 00:43:19.765
that I did not qualify for that drip .

1128
00:43:20.995 --> 00:43:22.645
<v Speaker 3>Well, you were the first person I asked.</v>

1129
00:43:23.165 --> 00:43:24.525
<v Speaker 1>I know. I appreciate that.</v>

1130
00:43:26.145 --> 00:43:27.725
, how many times have you been to Space Camp, bro?

1131
00:43:27.935 --> 00:43:29.485
We'll talk about this next week, uh,

1132
00:43:29.505 --> 00:43:30.605
and we'll recap Nashville.

1133
00:43:30.605 --> 00:43:31.605
Thanks for watching.

1134
00:43:32.635 --> 00:43:34.525
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1135
00:43:34.705 --> 00:43:37.845
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1136
00:43:38.225 --> 00:43:39.285
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1137
00:43:39.285 --> 00:43:41.565
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1140
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