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This is, is off track.
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So you know that the whole genre of talking
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to race car drivers while they eat has
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already been covered. When,
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But that, that's a show called Dinner With Racers.
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We're
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Like Snack with Dudes or
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Snacking with Successful Racers.
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Hello. I'm supporting Once Upon a Time.
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Alex Rossi supporter Jimmy John's
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with my, I'm supporting election.
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The, the Sun. Oh, alright.
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Obviously that's what what I'm referencing.
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So for those that don't know, do you need
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This one?
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Does it still work? There
It is.
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Yeah. For those that don't know,
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when Alex won the Indy 500
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and the press conference afterwards,
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he was eating a Jimmy John's sandwich
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and they, uh, they thought that was pretty awesome.
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So I don't know. Alex, you wanna tell the rest of the story?
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No. Okay.
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Well, uh, I think our,
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our friend Greg at Andretti did he reach out
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and it's like, Hey, can we set up some
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partnership or something? No,
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No idea.
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This is why I asked you to do the story anyways.
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It ended with Alex getting a card
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that just lets him get free.
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Jimmy John's, it's got a black card.
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Yeah, it's um, it's like an unlimited gift card.
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I gotta be honest, man. We, uh,
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we took advantage of that thing a couple times.
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We had some for a while, hefty, hefty orders. Um, those
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That catered.
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I think you moved my daughter's class one day. Like
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Catered my wedding .
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Um, I think, uh, I don't know.
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You know, we, I think we have, I dunno,
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I think we pick up new listeners every once in a while.
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So those that haven't been listening from the very beginning
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might not know about the concept of Brenner,
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which was when my golden doodle.
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No, not the concept of your golden doodle.
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The concept of your golden dole's name. Yeah.
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Which came from when on an off weekend we had brunch,
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which turned into lunch, which turned into dinner
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and we just called it Brenner.
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Um, Jimmy
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and John, uh, both played a big part in, uh, we
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In those days. And then there was, was it big logs
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or where was it that you got free wings from for a while?
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Did he also abuse that
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Big lugs?
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Yeah. Don't offer, offer
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Free stuff to Alex because James
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and I will take advantage of it.
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Especially food related stuff's. Just .
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Actually I take that back. You should
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offer free stuff to Alex .
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I mean, I'm pretty sure we're gonna go to Cracker Barrel
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for our off track A GM pretty soon here.
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The problem, the problem with, um, the Jimmy John's card
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is there wasn't very many of them.
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And so when you would try
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and use it like in store, they would be very confused.
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Yes, that is true. Um,
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'cause they were like, oh, is this a gift card?
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I was like, no.
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Ish. But no,
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Ish.
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But it's funny 'cause like they,
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I don't know if they clued into us or whatever,
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or just people that they handed said card out to,
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but there was a limit and if you went over that limit,
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you had to call like a number and have them reload the card.
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And so it got a little awkward
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because I think it was like,
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I don't remember if the limit was 200. I
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Thought it was like 200 bucks,
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$500 or whatever.
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Yeah, $200 in Jimmy John's is a
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significant amount of sandwiches.
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It's a lot of sandwiches and
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Cookies.
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And it was really, it was really tough when like,
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I'd reload it and then, I don't know,
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a week later it'd be like, Hey,
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The next day I'm
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Yeah.
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So Saturday was pretty hit me up was another, and, uh,
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Yeah, hit me up with an another couple.
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Hyundai, please. I
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Need .
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I need a, I need a deposit into the bank of Jimmy
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John's.
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Good times guys. Good times.
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So yeah, if you're listening and you wanna offer us, uh,
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free food, uh, uh, acquiring cards
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or apparatus is apparati.
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We're in, we're all in.
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Um, Tim, you look really young.
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It's like you shaved and got a haircut.
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Uh, no, I just showered. I just shaved and showered.
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So my hair's still wet because I, I just got home last night
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and like today is the do laundry and,
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and kind of get everything back in order. Clean
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Your, and you
Just get home face.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shave it off.
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Shave off the little bit of growth.
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I didn't fly with my razor.
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Speaking of, speaking of, um, grooming.
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Okay. There was
A pretty, pretty fun little scenario
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that presented itself, um, to me. Kelly and Tim
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Has Ben shaving already?
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No, uh, Tim text me at like, I don't know,
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two o'clock on a Saturday being like, Hey, who's your,
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who's your dog groomer?
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Teddy had been in the dirt, you
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Know, and I, and I had, I swiftly responded with, um,
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old doggy style to which he responded with.
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When I typed that in the internet, other things
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populate
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Like
What? Which is,
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I wasn't, I wasn't upset with the results.
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It was just not I the current problem.
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Right. What, what results came up?
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What else is named that? Yeah,
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Google it. You should Google it.
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Could you, could you, like, in
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detail tell us what came up? A lot of
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Links that apparently you can't
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open in the state of Indiana.
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Oh, interesting. And so I was like, okay, yeah,
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that's my bad.
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Uh, she might not have a website yet, um,
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or is on page 17
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of the doggy style Google query.
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Um, and so I, I just gave her, uh, gave Tim her number
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and what a star.
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Not only got her in,
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got Tim in on a Sunday, responded with
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Yeah, at first I, I texted, said, Hey,
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Is this Tim from off track?
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If so, no.
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Yeah, just straight up. Is this Tim from off track?
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If it's Yeah, then no, and she was great. She made it work.
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I had, I thought I was gonna book it for Monday.
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She was like, I'm actually available Sunday. It was great.
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She came over, she cleaned Teddy, he looks great.
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Everything was awesome and she made fun of me. So
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Let's, let's, can we shout out the company again just
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to give her a little bit of love for
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Dog's?
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Doggy style. .
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Terrific. Um, wow.
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That's actually a fairly interesting
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way to market your business.
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It's pretty good though when you think about it.
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Well, good and bad. They could get lost in some other,
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like you gotta do some really good SEO you know,
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to make sure that that's to
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Beat out, to beat out
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Heavy hitters. To beat out. I had to
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Be careful on the, uh, I had to be careful on the Venmo.
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Like, what is it for? I didn't wanna put doggy style.
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I'm like just dog grooming.
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Why
Not do I don't know that?
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Who's that college quarterback that got in trouble
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for his Venmo notes?
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Boy, I'm glad that wasn't a thing when James, Marissa,
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myself all used to Venmo each other because
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We, I I thought of that exactly.
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We used to put dumbest stuff in the Venmo notes.
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Doesn't that stuff like just stay in your history though.
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Body
Probably Disposal was one of them we used
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Frequently.
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Yeah. I remember my, my brother was like,
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does Alex not realize that,
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that these are all public? Because
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Like, you would've, can we also just talk about how thats
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how it's a terrible idea
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that everybody's stuff is just public. What's
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A terrible idea is you can't send a Venmo transaction
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without a caption.
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Well, you could send it private though,
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but like, no, any, all my ven you have to fill out the memo.
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I know you still have to do a memo, but that's stupid.
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At least you can have it private.
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So I'm going through some Are
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You looking through your old one boy?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just found one that I sent to Kelly
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for a not insignificant amount of money that says, quote,
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A good time in Mexico. .
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Oh. Oh. Then Kelly sent me some money that said .
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Oh Lord. That said, please keep my brother out of jail.
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Hard emoji. That's
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Not even the bad
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No, it's not. I just laughed so hard. That one.
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Alex, you paid me for annual friendship dues.
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Um, I can't read most of these .
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You sure can't.
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That's the only one I can read. Yeah,
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Oh, wait, what did you say for this one? ?
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That one, the kids say, Hey, .
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Oh, what did he say for this
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One?
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You can't, you can't say any of 'em. Like,
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Let's, let's, lets actually talk about this then.
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'cause it was a, it was a college football guy who had Venmo
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comments and it was like sports betting
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or like betting on this specific team.
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And his response is those were like Venmo caption
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jokes amongst my friends.
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We weren't actually betting.
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Those were just like the joke captions. Oh.
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Which quite feels pretty believable to me,
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considering everybody I know on Venmo. .
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No, because what we joke about is like, I don't know,
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homicide and weapons.
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And he was betting about like, oh,
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a homeboy is gonna have two and a half plus touchdowns.
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Like, that's not funny. Like's
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Not, I didn't go into this specific subject murder,
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but I just thought, it just reminded me of like, when
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Tom Brady was getting investigated for the Deflategate stuff
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and the NF L's, like, gimme your cell phones.
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And he's like, I destroyed them with a hammer.
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And everyone's like, man, that's super incriminating.
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I was like, no, that just tells me that he's in group chats.
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Like , there's there you would need a warrant
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to get into the group chats that I have with just you guys.
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Oh God. Well,
With,
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I mean, also put a little bit of context into
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that based on everything that went
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down with him and Giselle.
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I don't think it was necessarily a group text.
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Interesting. It
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Individual text we're going off track.
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Not usually a Tom Brady, uh, defender here,
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but I I understood that move.
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Okay. So off weekend, Alex, how did you spend it?
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Not on a yacht.
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Well let me, let me just preface this
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by saying you should try that.
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It's great. . How did you spend a dollar?
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You you went We went to a little, uh,
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sporting event in town.
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I did not. I um, I did our,
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our fantasy football draft, which you missed.
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I did. Um, and then I hung out for basically two days
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with Kelly and Ben with a little bit of Tim thrown in there.
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We did two different escape rooms.
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Um, we uh, did you get outta both? We did. Mm-hmm .
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We accidentally booked the same one that we had already
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Done.
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Yeah. We'd done years ago and then we
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Moved into a different room that we thought we hadn't done
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and we had also done that one.
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Yeah. You guys had done, it felt too bad at, at that point
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To like, well it was, it started, it started off
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where you get blindfolded and you go in
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and it's like pitch black in there
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and we're all kind of like, this feels familiar,
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but it was like kidnapping two.
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So it was like, maybe this is just
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how kidnapping one also started.
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Hmm. And then we're like feeling our way around a,
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a dark room and it's like, oh yeah, okay.
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I remember this is here and that's over there.
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And like yeah, we need to, we need to switch real quick. .
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And so it turns out we've done every room at that location.
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So this is why this
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Is now just every room in Indianapolis.
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Now we've done one of them twice.
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Wouldn't it be embarrassing if you
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didn't get out of it the second time?
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It was six years ago.
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We like went through and it's embarrassing.
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Saw a picture, so I didn't remember a
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single thing from it. You
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Just said, oh, I remember this is over
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here and this is over there.
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No, I remember the first one,
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the one we switched into was six years. Oh,
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Got it, got it.
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Oh, okay. So if you didn't remember fresh enough,
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this is why you just need to move
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to these virtual escape rooms.
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'cause you could just load up a new one.
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Yeah. But we tried that and it wasn't that fun.
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No, I know. But they gotta get better.
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There's, there's gotta be a better way to do it.
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It was like the VR concept.
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It just opens up so many possibilities of
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What do you use your VR headphones for Tim?
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I don't use 'em anymore. They just sit there.
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Everybody I know that bought an Oculus
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is like, yeah, I don't use it anymore.
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It just, it was, it was novel for like two months
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and then no one cares anymore.
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Correct. I used it
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Once and technology is not Yeah.
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Not going. So I, sorry, I thought you went
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to the sporting event
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that was in Indie on Friday. Did you? Where was
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That?
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Are we not talking about Liv?
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Are we, do we not like that? Isn't that
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I think that is what he is talking about.
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Not saying that. I mean, it's a, it's a fox.
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It's a fox property.
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No, I wasn't trying to avoid the name. Oh,
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Okay.
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Um, no I didn't go to Liv mostly
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because it was very hot in Indianapolis this weekend.
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Um, and it seemed to be incredibly well attended,
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which wow, that's great for Liv.
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Not great for Alex. Um hmm.
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Lots of people. So
I decided that I didn't want to be
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with 50,000 people in a very hot day
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for the first event that they've hosted.
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Um, so I watched it on TV
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and I had a great time watching it on tv.
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I do, I do know from the people that went, um,
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that it was a great experience.
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Um, nothing but but positive feedback.
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Um, it seems like they certainly know how to entertain,
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uh, watching on tv.
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Um, it's, it's fun to watch.
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You know, you think of golf and you think of the PGA
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and everything as being very, you know, proper
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and uptight and very stuffy.
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Stuffy. Right. Liv kind
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of throws all of that out the window.
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Um, there's music on, it's
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Like the bar stool of his
Yeah.
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But it's still like some of the best golfers in the world.
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Yeah. Yeah. Um, and it's like, unlike those
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that watched Happy Gilmore
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and the kind of how they made fun of Max Fly, which was the,
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the alternate league to what
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Happy Gilmore played in Liv plays by all the same rules.
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It's just a little bit more upbeat
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and trending for a younger audience.
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Anyways, um, everyone said was awesome.
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One thing that I, I heard about, which I think is sick
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and IndyCar should take note is
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so it's a three day event, right?
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Um, much like not
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Too dissimilar from Yeah.
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Our races and there's merchandise tents
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not too dissimilar from, from our races either,
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but what Liv did was every day
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they completely like did a 180 on the merch tent.
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So it was all different merch from
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what they had the previous day.
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So like you had people in there
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and stuff that they had bought the day
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before spending money again.
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'cause like that stuff wasn't available.
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So I think it's a great idea for IndyCar for the NBA.
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Well that's not three day events anyways
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for any sporting event.
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That's three days to like not have all
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of your stuff out all the time.
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Yeah. Yeah. 'cause then people are just gonna choose the one
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thing they like the most instead of being like, oh,
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I didn't know this was gonna be here today.
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I guess I have to get my wallet out again. So you
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Got your event t-shirt,
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but that means your Saturday event
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t-shirt and your Sunday event. T-shirt.
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Mm-hmm
. Or your event hoodie.
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That's actually, it's only available on Saturdays, so Yeah.
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Yeah. No, that's pretty clever.
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Get them back into the store multiple times. Mm-hmm .
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Exactly. Annoying for the customer,
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but probably a smart move.
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Yeah.
Um,
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What did you do, James?
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Besides I went on sitting on a yacht. I on
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Vacation.
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What was that? I don't know. What
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else, what else do you need to do?
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It looks, it looks as though you either got a lot of sun
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or you got blonde tips or maybe it's just the
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Light.
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Think it's the light tips are tips are still,
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you know, brown.
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Um, great. Definitely got a little tan, which
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for me is hard to do.
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And like, this is tan for me. That's what's so pathetic.
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Yeah. Yeah. Um,
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but no, great time down in
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The Bahamas with some good friends.
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Uh, tons of time in the water because it's the best water.
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I love it down there. It's so beautiful.
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Uh, some great meals, some good laughs.
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Um, yeah man, it was, it was wonderful.
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I, uh, I love it down there so much.
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You, I try to get down there. You need
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Bit of a break because you had been on quite a stretch
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since May, I must say.
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That is true. That is true. Yeah.
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It was, yes, it was a welcome disconnect
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and like, you'll just leave your phone for the day kind
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of thing and you know, check it once in the morning,
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check it once a night and kind of get through the rest.
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And what a nice, what a nice disconnect and recharge.
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And now ready to go. 'cause I'm pretty sure my next weekend
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off is Halloween, so that's cool.
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Um, but yeah, no back and excited to get into Milwaukee.
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Uh, before we chat Milwaukee though, um, we did say that
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last week we were gonna talk a little bit about polo
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'cause we didn't really get into his grayness.
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I know it's Alex's favorite subject at the moment.
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I don't mind it. What we all
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what a season our asses kicked. Yeah.
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What a season is it?
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Like, are the guys, are you guys like talking
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amongst each other amongst yourselves about it in a,
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in a way where it's like at the end
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of a race you'll go like, or like drive a intros, you'll see
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Colton or you'll see, you know, I dunno, Dixon
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or someone just be like, man, what the,
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how is he, what is happening?
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How is this happening still? Uh,
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Not really.
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Um, I think everyone has an immense amount of respect
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and appreciation for it.
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I would say talking to him is more annoying
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because for him it's kind of just everything.
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It, it, he's not, he doesn't seem surprised by it.
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Not saying that he's cocky about it,
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but he is just like, oh yeah, you know, we just,
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we had a good weekend and the car was good
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and strategy was good
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and it was just pretty straightforward.
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And like that's every weekend you talk to him sort of thing.
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Um, so I think that's, that's kind of tough, uh,
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to, to come to terms with.
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But I think the realization that I have had is
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he has differentiated himself so much
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that if you're able to kind of reverse engineer
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and understand his excellence, especially in 2025,
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and you're able to like, apply just a little bit of that
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to yourself and, and to the, the, your own operation and,
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and the, the things that you're doing, you're going to
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elevate yourself in a pretty large way.
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Right? Because it's, he's let's say, 30% clear
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of the field, right?
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And then everyone else is within a couple.
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That sounds like a
Big margin. Think
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it's more than that. I mean,
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No, no, no.
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I don't think it's more than that. I think
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30 percent's large.
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Okay. Eight, eight races
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to three would say it's more than 30%.
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To three would say it's way more than 30%
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Copy.
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Oh yeah. Almost. All right.
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All right. I see what you're saying.
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Okay. 10%,
It's significant.
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Yeah. 10%, whatever. But the
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Rest of the field is within
Three.
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The rest of percent of the field is
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within a couple percent, right?
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Yeah. So if you're able to find, let's say it's 10%,
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you're able to find half of what he has, you're going
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to make a very big impact on
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your standings at the end of the year.
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Um, so I think in, in some ways
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it's a little bit of a relief.
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'cause it's not like, it's not like there's six guys doing
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that, right.
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It's, it's one individual.
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So it gives you a little bit of like motivation of like,
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I gotta, if I can figure this out
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before the next guy, like we're in, we're in
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with a pretty good shot of things.
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So that's the way I look at it.
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Um, but yeah, I mean, you,
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you can't say anything negative about him
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because not only we, we, we say this a lot.
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He's Scott 2.0 in the sense that he does everything
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that Scott does and executes it
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to such a high level
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regardless of where he starts on the grid.
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But at the same time, he is one of the nicest human beings.
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You're gonna come across the paddock, such a guy.
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And so it's just like, you can't root against him.
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Like when he wins all the time, you're like,
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man, good for him. Yeah.
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Yeah. You're not mad, you're not upset about it. No, no.
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Uh, great family man. Lovely wife, lovely child.
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You know, he's, he's a great dad, he's a great husband.
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He's great to just chat, to catch a, you know,
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go catch a meal with whatever.
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He is just awesome. I mean, he is good at everything.
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So it is very, it's in every way. He Dixon 2.0. Mm-hmm.
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Um, so as someone like knowing you how I know you
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and knowing how you work and how you go about racing, right?
509
00:20:12.155 --> 00:20:13.955
You're seeing this guy doing all these things
510
00:20:14.255 --> 00:20:17.275
and you have this belief, this theory, this understanding
511
00:20:17.275 --> 00:20:19.955
that if you can even just find that couple
512
00:20:19.975 --> 00:20:22.315
of percent towards what he's getting, that's gonna put you
513
00:20:22.315 --> 00:20:23.555
above the rest of the field too.
514
00:20:23.865 --> 00:20:26.355
What are you seeing, like what's the one thing
515
00:20:26.585 --> 00:20:29.155
that you think he does better than anybody else?
516
00:20:29.155 --> 00:20:31.555
Because I know that we talk about how there's no kind
517
00:20:31.555 --> 00:20:32.795
of flaws in his game right now,
518
00:20:33.295 --> 00:20:35.155
but is there one element that is
519
00:20:35.545 --> 00:20:38.475
that much more than something else?
520
00:20:38.735 --> 00:20:42.635
Or is it just that half a percent in 20 different things
521
00:20:42.705 --> 00:20:44.995
that gives them this 10% jump on the field?
522
00:20:45.475 --> 00:20:46.715
I don't, I don't have an answer to that
523
00:20:46.715 --> 00:20:49.645
because like, I'm not, I can't see everything that he does.
524
00:20:49.945 --> 00:20:51.325
Um, I'm kind of with you, right?
525
00:20:51.405 --> 00:20:54.965
I can just see on the outside kind of the, the execution
526
00:20:54.965 --> 00:20:57.605
that he has and, and we've all all talked about his tire
527
00:20:57.605 --> 00:20:59.245
management and his pace,
528
00:20:59.245 --> 00:21:00.725
especially on the harder tire, right?
529
00:21:01.385 --> 00:21:04.365
But I sat with Felix in an autograph session once,
530
00:21:04.905 --> 00:21:05.965
uh, it was mid Ohio.
531
00:21:06.625 --> 00:21:07.725
And I was like, what's it like,
532
00:21:08.345 --> 00:21:09.725
what's it like to look at his data?
533
00:21:10.195 --> 00:21:13.325
Like is it, is there anything that's like, oh my God,
534
00:21:13.425 --> 00:21:15.485
that's the best break shape I've ever seen,
535
00:21:15.905 --> 00:21:18.565
or that's the smoothest theory I've ever seen.
536
00:21:19.225 --> 00:21:20.645
And he's like, no.
537
00:21:21.465 --> 00:21:25.805
Um, all of the fundamental technique is very good
538
00:21:25.825 --> 00:21:29.525
as you would expect, but it's not, it's not unattainable.
539
00:21:29.755 --> 00:21:31.485
Like, it's not like he sees a break shape
540
00:21:31.485 --> 00:21:33.685
and he is like, I could never replicate that.
541
00:21:34.625 --> 00:21:37.765
He said it's, it is the most infuriating thing.
542
00:21:37.765 --> 00:21:42.565
And I believe him, like mid Ohio, a pretty technical track
543
00:21:42.565 --> 00:21:44.725
with a vast variety of corners, right?
544
00:21:44.725 --> 00:21:47.045
You've got high speed, slow speed, braking zones,
545
00:21:47.275 --> 00:21:48.845
transitions, elevation, combined.
546
00:21:49.765 --> 00:21:54.255
Combined all of it. And he said, dude, I am just the,
547
00:21:54.275 --> 00:21:57.935
the time Delta is just a straight diagonal .
548
00:21:58.675 --> 00:22:00.055
So I'm not faster than him in a,
549
00:22:00.315 --> 00:22:01.855
I'm not faster in a single corner.
550
00:22:02.625 --> 00:22:04.245
And it's not that I'm far off,
551
00:22:04.465 --> 00:22:06.205
I'm a couple hundreds off. Yeah.
552
00:22:06.425 --> 00:22:07.765
And he is not taking big chunks.
553
00:22:07.975 --> 00:22:11.405
Maybe even maybe a 10th, whatever,
554
00:22:11.745 --> 00:22:13.445
but I'm not, I'm not miles away.
555
00:22:13.465 --> 00:22:15.445
But he said, I'm not beating him in a single corner.
556
00:22:15.445 --> 00:22:18.445
And he is like, I've never had in my entire career
557
00:22:19.445 --> 00:22:21.405
a teammate that is able to do that to me.
558
00:22:21.425 --> 00:22:24.085
And Felix, we all know his single at pace is exceptional.
559
00:22:24.785 --> 00:22:26.925
Um, and he said just the majority
560
00:22:26.945 --> 00:22:28.485
of the time, it's just everywhere.
561
00:22:28.625 --> 00:22:32.645
So it's not, he's able just to extract that little bit more
562
00:22:33.225 --> 00:22:36.045
at all times that everyone else can't do.
563
00:22:36.585 --> 00:22:40.205
Um, and he said what's what's also impressive is like
564
00:22:40.825 --> 00:22:44.045
you would think someone with that, you, you look at him
565
00:22:44.045 --> 00:22:45.285
and he is quite soft spoken
566
00:22:46.305 --> 00:22:49.405
and you, you know that he's very precise
567
00:22:49.585 --> 00:22:51.565
and you, Townsend talks about it all the time.
568
00:22:51.675 --> 00:22:54.725
He's the surgeon, right? Like he's, he's, he uses every inch
569
00:22:54.725 --> 00:22:57.845
of track and he's, he's not often making mistakes,
570
00:22:58.905 --> 00:23:01.725
but you would kind of equate that to someone who maybe is
571
00:23:02.585 --> 00:23:04.685
not that good in the high speed, right.
572
00:23:04.705 --> 00:23:07.285
Or the, the super high commitment or that sort of thing.
573
00:23:07.505 --> 00:23:08.805
And Felix was like, that's the other thing.
574
00:23:08.805 --> 00:23:10.125
Like he has massive <inaudible> too .
575
00:23:10.645 --> 00:23:13.125
So he, he also, he also shifts it in the high speed
576
00:23:13.465 --> 00:23:14.925
and like, I don't really beat him there either.
577
00:23:15.435 --> 00:23:16.245
It's like, cool, ,
578
00:23:24.195 --> 00:23:25.565
sick. That's
579
00:23:25.565 --> 00:23:26.565
So funny.
580
00:23:26.565 --> 00:23:28.685
It's like, if you want look at a speech trace, right?
581
00:23:28.705 --> 00:23:30.525
Mm-hmm. You know, it goes up and down for those, you know,
582
00:23:30.525 --> 00:23:31.845
it kinda like zigzags up and down.
583
00:23:32.075 --> 00:23:35.165
Yeah. It's like there's no big separations.
584
00:23:35.195 --> 00:23:37.525
It's just his is just above your line the whole way.
585
00:23:37.595 --> 00:23:38.765
It's just barely above it.
586
00:23:38.865 --> 00:23:41.445
But it's just like traced just above it. How is that?
587
00:23:41.505 --> 00:23:43.085
Oh dude, I, I, you
588
00:23:43.085 --> 00:23:44.685
Can't even look at like, okay, if I just focus on this
589
00:23:44.685 --> 00:23:46.125
section, like I'll be as good as
590
00:23:46.125 --> 00:23:47.125
This, right?
591
00:23:47.125 --> 00:23:48.565
Yes. Yes. I gotta break later in this corner
592
00:23:48.565 --> 00:23:50.245
and carry a bit more speed here and I got it.
593
00:23:50.245 --> 00:23:51.965
It's like, nope. You gotta do everything
594
00:23:51.965 --> 00:23:53.205
exactly how you're doing it.
595
00:23:53.395 --> 00:23:55.925
Just half a percent better at all times. Yeah, yeah.
596
00:23:56.105 --> 00:23:59.325
Oh man, it's, yeah. It's, that's a tough situation to be in.
597
00:23:59.345 --> 00:24:00.885
That's a tough situation to be in.
598
00:24:01.065 --> 00:24:04.365
But like for the first time in this point system to have a,
599
00:24:04.445 --> 00:24:08.365
a championship locked up with two full weekends to go by.
600
00:24:08.485 --> 00:24:09.685
I think we already mentioned this one
601
00:24:09.985 --> 00:24:11.925
by I think four races to go.
602
00:24:12.145 --> 00:24:16.605
He had already scored, I think it was within eight points of
603
00:24:16.605 --> 00:24:17.965
what total mm-hmm .
604
00:24:18.045 --> 00:24:20.325
Points. He scored to win the championship last year
605
00:24:20.585 --> 00:24:21.965
and had already scored more than
606
00:24:22.085 --> 00:24:23.805
what second place in the championship.
607
00:24:23.865 --> 00:24:26.085
Got with four rounds still to go. Mm-hmm .
608
00:24:26.875 --> 00:24:29.245
It's um, you know, eight races on the season.
609
00:24:29.415 --> 00:24:31.645
We've got two left. He could tie AJ
610
00:24:31.645 --> 00:24:33.605
and announcer for most wins in a season
611
00:24:34.165 --> 00:24:35.325
'cause he is won on short ovals.
612
00:24:35.625 --> 00:24:37.965
Do I think that's gonna happen? I don't, I don't know.
613
00:24:38.185 --> 00:24:39.365
You know, I think it's gonna be very hard
614
00:24:39.425 --> 00:24:41.765
to win the next two for anybody.
615
00:24:41.855 --> 00:24:43.925
Those are, those races are so tough to predict.
616
00:24:43.985 --> 00:24:45.845
And there's a lot of guys
617
00:24:45.845 --> 00:24:48.445
that are very exceptional at those types of tracks when you,
618
00:24:48.665 --> 00:24:50.845
you know, you look at the places where he's super dominant.
619
00:24:50.955 --> 00:24:52.685
Road courses are the bread and butter.
620
00:24:52.955 --> 00:24:54.645
Obviously he's pulled out some good
621
00:24:54.645 --> 00:24:55.805
results in street circuits as well.
622
00:24:55.985 --> 00:24:58.405
But yeah, those ones I think are gonna be interesting.
623
00:24:58.705 --> 00:25:00.045
But credit credit's due, man.
624
00:25:00.165 --> 00:25:01.085
I think we're watching, uh,
625
00:25:01.085 --> 00:25:02.045
you know, we're watching greatness.
626
00:25:02.045 --> 00:25:05.965
We're watching history be made. I, I went on a, uh, uh,
627
00:25:06.345 --> 00:25:09.045
fellow podcast, the Red Flags podcast last week
628
00:25:09.545 --> 00:25:11.645
and the guys asked me, they're like, you know,
629
00:25:11.645 --> 00:25:13.045
do you think you could cut it in F1?
630
00:25:13.045 --> 00:25:13.965
And I was like, yeah, absolutely.
631
00:25:14.035 --> 00:25:15.245
They're like, how do you think you would do?
632
00:25:15.545 --> 00:25:17.165
So I said, well, against who?
633
00:25:17.315 --> 00:25:19.285
Like, gimme a, gimme a car to put him in.
634
00:25:19.425 --> 00:25:21.485
And, and they said, okay, so what if you put him in,
635
00:25:21.665 --> 00:25:24.085
in the Carlos Science Williams beside Alex Alban?
636
00:25:24.105 --> 00:25:26.565
How do you think he'd do? And my point was, I was like,
637
00:25:26.565 --> 00:25:27.925
well, I think they'd be good teammates.
638
00:25:28.085 --> 00:25:30.325
'cause Alban's a very like technical like,
639
00:25:30.325 --> 00:25:31.445
detail oriented guy.
640
00:25:31.765 --> 00:25:32.885
I know Polo's the same way.
641
00:25:32.885 --> 00:25:35.205
Like he really loves diving into the data deep and whatever.
642
00:25:35.785 --> 00:25:38.445
So I was like, year one, he learns the tires and the tracks.
643
00:25:38.445 --> 00:25:40.285
Year two, he beats Alba More often than not
644
00:25:41.355 --> 00:25:42.965
this got picked up by some by
645
00:25:42.965 --> 00:25:44.685
by motorsport.com, some news outlet.
646
00:25:44.705 --> 00:25:48.165
And the, uh, the internet has opinions, has thoughts. Mm.
647
00:25:48.545 --> 00:25:50.205
But I would love to know that's your
648
00:25:50.205 --> 00:25:51.725
Take for the internet,
Right?
649
00:25:52.265 --> 00:25:53.525
Uh, especially the F1 group.
650
00:25:53.525 --> 00:25:56.925
They're, they're, uh, they're strongly opinioned fan base.
651
00:25:57.305 --> 00:25:58.965
But what do you think if you put him in a Williams,
652
00:25:58.995 --> 00:26:00.165
what do you think he'd stack up?
653
00:26:00.195 --> 00:26:01.605
Yeah, that's a weird comparison
654
00:26:01.635 --> 00:26:04.725
because I don't, I, I think Alban's good,
655
00:26:04.825 --> 00:26:07.565
but I don't think he's, he's exceptional.
656
00:26:08.145 --> 00:26:09.605
Um, when you look at some of the guys
657
00:26:09.605 --> 00:26:11.205
that you could have chosen to put him up against.
658
00:26:12.065 --> 00:26:14.045
Um, so yeah, I think you're absolutely right.
659
00:26:14.045 --> 00:26:15.965
You know, the Pelli Tire is incredibly unique.
660
00:26:16.075 --> 00:26:19.565
However, it would suit his driving style almost immediately.
661
00:26:19.625 --> 00:26:23.085
So then the big thing would be learning the tracks
662
00:26:23.305 --> 00:26:25.205
to which he would only know a couple
663
00:26:25.785 --> 00:26:27.805
and a completely different way
664
00:26:27.805 --> 00:26:30.565
of approaching a race weekend, which he would figure out.
665
00:26:30.885 --> 00:26:31.965
'cause he is a smart person. Mm-hmm .
666
00:26:32.085 --> 00:26:36.325
But it's, it's, it's a complete 180 to anything IndyCar is.
667
00:26:36.945 --> 00:26:39.925
Um, so yeah, I, I agree completely with the sentiment
668
00:26:39.955 --> 00:26:42.325
that the first year he would have some flashes
669
00:26:42.325 --> 00:26:43.405
where he was brilliant
670
00:26:44.105 --> 00:26:45.405
and the second year he would,
671
00:26:45.505 --> 00:26:47.685
he would dispose of him pretty quickly.
672
00:26:48.125 --> 00:26:50.405
I think that's a different conversation when you put him up
673
00:26:50.405 --> 00:26:52.165
against Charles mm-hmm .
674
00:26:52.245 --> 00:26:54.125
That's a different conversation when you put him up against
675
00:26:54.145 --> 00:26:56.965
George Max, you know, the, the elites in F1,
676
00:26:56.965 --> 00:27:01.205
because while we know what he's doing here is kind
677
00:27:01.205 --> 00:27:04.445
of unheard of, I think it's unfair to say
678
00:27:04.445 --> 00:27:08.205
that if you put a Charles, a Lewis, a max,
679
00:27:08.445 --> 00:27:11.165
a George in a 10 car at Cani
680
00:27:11.165 --> 00:27:13.245
and give them a couple years that they
681
00:27:13.245 --> 00:27:14.565
wouldn't be doing a similar thing.
682
00:27:14.785 --> 00:27:17.725
Um, you know, I think there's, there's, there's drivers
683
00:27:17.795 --> 00:27:20.485
that are just on a different, on a different level.
684
00:27:20.745 --> 00:27:22.525
And I think he, Alex is one of those,
685
00:27:22.585 --> 00:27:24.605
but I do think there's a couple of those in F1 as well.
686
00:27:24.665 --> 00:27:26.325
So I'm not, yeah, I wouldn't say he's
687
00:27:26.325 --> 00:27:27.405
gonna go over there and be a world champion.
688
00:27:27.585 --> 00:27:31.005
Oh. But I definitely think against your Albans, your glees,
689
00:27:31.235 --> 00:27:33.165
your whatevers, he would, he would've the upper hand.
690
00:27:33.225 --> 00:27:34.845
The the other thing that you see a lot
691
00:27:34.845 --> 00:27:36.685
of in those comments, whatever you talk about
692
00:27:38.155 --> 00:27:40.285
guys going in into card F1 or whatever,
693
00:27:40.425 --> 00:27:42.525
and one of the things that a lot of people focus on is like,
694
00:27:42.525 --> 00:27:43.685
oh well, you know, he was in Europe
695
00:27:43.745 --> 00:27:45.205
and he was in the junior categories
696
00:27:45.205 --> 00:27:46.765
and he wasn't good enough so he had to leave.
697
00:27:47.345 --> 00:27:48.605
And it's just like, I know
698
00:27:48.605 --> 00:27:49.925
that these are just people on the internet who dunno
699
00:27:49.925 --> 00:27:52.085
what they're talking about, but it's like, let, let us try
700
00:27:52.085 --> 00:27:53.845
to explain to you why that doesn't actually
701
00:27:54.075 --> 00:27:55.365
translate the way you think it does.
702
00:27:55.425 --> 00:27:58.125
The teams in the junior categories are very different.
703
00:27:58.635 --> 00:28:01.125
There's good teams, there's bad teams, there are drivers
704
00:28:01.125 --> 00:28:03.605
that were pretty average in the junior categories
705
00:28:03.605 --> 00:28:04.685
that are doing very well.
706
00:28:04.685 --> 00:28:05.885
At the high level. There are drivers
707
00:28:05.885 --> 00:28:08.285
that were exceptional in the junior categories
708
00:28:08.285 --> 00:28:10.365
and are bang average at the top.
709
00:28:10.945 --> 00:28:12.885
And so that does not tell the whole story.
710
00:28:13.275 --> 00:28:16.925
It's like Tom Brady was drafted 199th,
711
00:28:17.065 --> 00:28:18.565
he ended up being pretty good at football.
712
00:28:18.725 --> 00:28:20.405
I take a lot of issue when people are like, oh well yeah,
713
00:28:20.405 --> 00:28:21.565
he, he was no good in F three
714
00:28:21.565 --> 00:28:23.005
and he couldn't even podium in F two.
715
00:28:23.005 --> 00:28:25.205
It's like, that's just not the whole story guys.
716
00:28:25.625 --> 00:28:26.885
And like, we make these,
717
00:28:27.655 --> 00:28:30.805
these assessments knowing a little bit about motor sports,
718
00:28:30.805 --> 00:28:34.205
knowing a little bit about driving race cars, looking at
719
00:28:34.205 --> 00:28:37.325
what it is he's doing exceptionally well in IndyCar
720
00:28:37.665 --> 00:28:41.005
and knowing kind of what skill sets translate and,
721
00:28:41.105 --> 00:28:44.485
and translate to performance in F1.
722
00:28:44.785 --> 00:28:46.525
And there's a reason that we are saying this.
723
00:28:46.525 --> 00:28:48.085
This is not just like us, you know,
724
00:28:48.105 --> 00:28:49.885
big up our boy 'cause we're IndyCar guys.
725
00:28:50.325 --> 00:28:52.405
I genuinely think he would be very, very good
726
00:28:52.985 --> 00:28:54.405
for all those reasons that we just said.
727
00:28:54.585 --> 00:28:57.685
Anyway, I I so do digress.
728
00:28:58.195 --> 00:29:00.685
Good. Good job to him. Good job to kanai.
729
00:29:00.845 --> 00:29:03.885
I think just to close that out, you know, you talk about
730
00:29:04.235 --> 00:29:07.645
what he did compared to even himself last year.
731
00:29:08.185 --> 00:29:09.485
Um, you know, I think that's a
732
00:29:09.725 --> 00:29:10.765
testament to the organization.
733
00:29:11.545 --> 00:29:14.725
Um, you know, because I, I would find it hard to believe
734
00:29:14.755 --> 00:29:17.245
that he himself as a driver improved
735
00:29:17.275 --> 00:29:18.605
that much in an off season.
736
00:29:18.865 --> 00:29:22.085
But I think Anasi, you know, clearly found a,
737
00:29:22.165 --> 00:29:24.445
a more complete package that that allowed them
738
00:29:24.445 --> 00:29:26.925
to be successful at a wider variety of places.
739
00:29:27.105 --> 00:29:31.245
And they delivered the more often than not so huge credit
740
00:29:31.385 --> 00:29:33.125
to, to all the men and women there.
741
00:29:33.785 --> 00:29:36.085
Um, last week we also cut short a topic
742
00:29:36.085 --> 00:29:37.165
that we need to talk about.
743
00:29:37.505 --> 00:29:41.685
And that is, uh, of, of all wheel power, will it p and
744
00:29:41.705 --> 00:29:46.285
and kind of the, the situation that he finds himself in.
745
00:29:46.305 --> 00:29:48.445
You know, I gave my quick thoughts on it at
746
00:29:48.445 --> 00:29:49.525
the end of last week's episode.
747
00:29:49.525 --> 00:29:51.765
If you haven't heard that go, go check it out.
748
00:29:51.765 --> 00:29:55.285
But James, I'd be very interested to hear A,
749
00:29:55.285 --> 00:29:58.045
what your thoughts are, B how
750
00:29:59.025 --> 00:30:01.955
they got into this situation, they being Penske,
751
00:30:02.135 --> 00:30:06.235
and see what the best roadmap out of it for both Will
752
00:30:06.695 --> 00:30:08.275
and Penske would be.
753
00:30:08.525 --> 00:30:10.395
Great series of questions, my friend.
754
00:30:10.575 --> 00:30:12.955
So my, I think my opinion is very, very similar to yours.
755
00:30:13.195 --> 00:30:16.955
I have, and you know, I, I am as surprised as everybody
756
00:30:17.345 --> 00:30:19.675
that Penske's in this position will,
757
00:30:19.675 --> 00:30:21.235
is still performing at a very high level
758
00:30:22.135 --> 00:30:25.035
and is now the only Penske driver of won race this year.
759
00:30:25.375 --> 00:30:26.755
Now that's not all on those guys.
760
00:30:26.755 --> 00:30:29.075
That's, that's not a shot at Joseph for Scott,
761
00:30:29.225 --> 00:30:30.395
that is just a fact.
762
00:30:30.785 --> 00:30:31.675
He's the highest guy in the
763
00:30:31.675 --> 00:30:33.315
championship, not a shot at the other two.
764
00:30:33.345 --> 00:30:35.155
Just a fact. Everyone's had their fair share
765
00:30:35.155 --> 00:30:36.715
of bad luck, a across all three.
766
00:30:36.835 --> 00:30:37.915
Like they, that as a team,
767
00:30:37.915 --> 00:30:39.435
they've got more DNFs than anybody.
768
00:30:39.755 --> 00:30:42.475
I think Joseph and Scott both have five a piece,
769
00:30:42.525 --> 00:30:45.195
which is insane when we talk about, you know,
770
00:30:45.205 --> 00:30:47.115
lapse completed being one of the big indicators
771
00:30:47.175 --> 00:30:48.395
of championship success.
772
00:30:48.715 --> 00:30:50.195
I think Will's got three, something like that.
773
00:30:50.255 --> 00:30:52.195
But then you look at a, a race like Port, right?
774
00:30:52.195 --> 00:30:55.835
Qualified very well did the strategy just right, executed
775
00:30:55.835 --> 00:30:57.355
what he needed to during the cycles.
776
00:30:57.375 --> 00:31:00.355
And then under immense pressure in the, the back half
777
00:31:00.355 --> 00:31:02.995
of the race, the last 20 laps dealing with lap traffic,
778
00:31:02.995 --> 00:31:05.875
dealing with cars behind it didn't put a foot wrong.
779
00:31:06.135 --> 00:31:09.875
So, you know, he has proven without a doubt in my mind
780
00:31:09.875 --> 00:31:11.475
that he's still incredibly capable.
781
00:31:12.615 --> 00:31:15.995
And, and this is not a shot at, at Lucas at all,
782
00:31:16.095 --> 00:31:19.315
but it's like, if, if the thought was, you know,
783
00:31:19.315 --> 00:31:20.435
he was the next guy
784
00:31:21.455 --> 00:31:22.995
and he was gonna be better than Will,
785
00:31:23.555 --> 00:31:26.525
I don't think we've seen a performance outta him
786
00:31:26.525 --> 00:31:27.685
that makes you think he's gonna be better.
787
00:31:28.275 --> 00:31:29.245
David's got a lot of talent.
788
00:31:29.245 --> 00:31:30.685
David's got a long future in this sport.
789
00:31:30.685 --> 00:31:31.685
He's got a lot of potential,
790
00:31:32.075 --> 00:31:34.685
whether it's the environment there at Foyt, the car,
791
00:31:34.705 --> 00:31:37.805
the whatever he hasn't shown, you know, he's had a couple
792
00:31:37.805 --> 00:31:38.805
of strong races this year,
793
00:31:38.805 --> 00:31:40.525
but he hasn't had the kind of consistent pace
794
00:31:40.525 --> 00:31:43.755
and performance that you would look at
795
00:31:43.755 --> 00:31:45.075
and be like, oh, we should put this guy
796
00:31:45.075 --> 00:31:46.115
into a Penske car tomorrow.
797
00:31:47.045 --> 00:31:48.355
Again, not to say he doesn't deserve
798
00:31:48.355 --> 00:31:50.115
to be there at some point, but when you're comparing up
799
00:31:50.115 --> 00:31:52.595
against one of the most successful drivers in the history
800
00:31:52.595 --> 00:31:54.595
of the sport, it's a tough one to sort
801
00:31:54.595 --> 00:31:58.115
of reconcile in your head, why are we here,
802
00:31:59.915 --> 00:32:01.725
dude, your guess is as good as mine.
803
00:32:02.065 --> 00:32:03.765
Um, it's, it's kind
804
00:32:03.765 --> 00:32:06.605
of sounds like there was some maybe deal done with David
805
00:32:06.945 --> 00:32:09.525
before, like the season even started maybe
806
00:32:09.545 --> 00:32:10.725
at some point last year.
807
00:32:10.755 --> 00:32:13.725
Like who knows? The, there's gonna be so much speculation on
808
00:32:13.725 --> 00:32:15.725
that side of things and hopefully one day, you know,
809
00:32:15.725 --> 00:32:18.565
will writes a book or something and it all comes out.
810
00:32:18.665 --> 00:32:21.485
But it's, it is a peculiar one, you know, a lot of, a lot
811
00:32:21.485 --> 00:32:25.245
of rumors that this was somehow a Tim Cindrich initiated
812
00:32:25.375 --> 00:32:26.565
thing and
813
00:32:26.565 --> 00:32:29.685
that certain people don't necessarily want keep it going
814
00:32:29.685 --> 00:32:31.485
with Tim no longer, you know, part of the program.
815
00:32:32.425 --> 00:32:33.645
That's pure speculation.
816
00:32:33.805 --> 00:32:34.925
I have no idea if that's true or not.
817
00:32:34.925 --> 00:32:36.565
That's just something I've heard kick around the paddock.
818
00:32:36.565 --> 00:32:38.445
And then in terms of how do we get outta here,
819
00:32:39.215 --> 00:32:40.845
where do we go from here for both?
820
00:32:41.165 --> 00:32:43.765
I don't know. I mean, if, if you believe the rumors,
821
00:32:43.765 --> 00:32:45.765
like nothing's obviously been confirmed,
822
00:32:46.355 --> 00:32:49.285
will has said publicly that, you know, he's not,
823
00:32:49.355 --> 00:32:52.285
he's been told that he's not hearing anything official until
824
00:32:52.285 --> 00:32:53.845
after Nashville, which is nuts
825
00:32:54.075 --> 00:32:55.485
because that gives him no time
826
00:32:55.485 --> 00:32:57.125
to go find another ride, right?
827
00:32:57.125 --> 00:32:58.605
Like, that's one of the hardest things.
828
00:32:58.955 --> 00:33:00.845
Most of these IndyCar contracts have a date
829
00:33:00.865 --> 00:33:02.845
by which you can't start talking to other teams, right?
830
00:33:03.145 --> 00:33:05.845
But that's usually like June 1st.
831
00:33:06.505 --> 00:33:07.685
So like you get through May
832
00:33:07.685 --> 00:33:09.525
and then, then you can kind of start, especially
833
00:33:09.525 --> 00:33:10.845
with the season as short as it is now.
834
00:33:11.505 --> 00:33:14.445
So to have a guy on the hook until September
835
00:33:14.695 --> 00:33:17.525
after the season's done is a very bizarre move.
836
00:33:17.945 --> 00:33:19.925
And I don't think his showing will
837
00:33:19.925 --> 00:33:21.045
the respect that he deserves.
838
00:33:22.025 --> 00:33:25.205
But, you know, maybe it's a ploy too,
839
00:33:25.205 --> 00:33:27.965
because they know he's good, their steel is going
840
00:33:27.965 --> 00:33:29.005
through whether they want it to
841
00:33:29.005 --> 00:33:30.965
or not, they don't actually want him in a good car
842
00:33:30.965 --> 00:33:33.005
because that's one more guy they gotta beat next year.
843
00:33:34.005 --> 00:33:35.805
I don't, I don't know if there is a way out of this
844
00:33:35.805 --> 00:33:37.805
for Penske, because, you know, as I've always said,
845
00:33:38.025 --> 00:33:40.245
you don't hide good news, right?
846
00:33:40.245 --> 00:33:42.085
You don't hold, you don't hold back good news.
847
00:33:42.185 --> 00:33:44.565
And because they're waiting so long to say anything, it,
848
00:33:44.745 --> 00:33:46.285
my gut feeling is that it's done.
849
00:33:47.345 --> 00:33:51.945
And so their, their bet is made as far as Penske goes,
850
00:33:52.885 --> 00:33:54.825
the bigger question is then where's will go?
851
00:33:55.015 --> 00:33:57.545
What, what does, will do at this point? I don't know.
852
00:33:57.705 --> 00:33:58.865
I dunno what your thoughts are on that.
853
00:33:59.185 --> 00:34:01.345
I, I have, I have a few thoughts, none
854
00:34:01.345 --> 00:34:02.665
of which can be shared on the podcast,
855
00:34:03.285 --> 00:34:07.875
but I I think it's, it's a, it's a really strange,
856
00:34:08.065 --> 00:34:11.235
it's a really strange situation because I,
857
00:34:11.235 --> 00:34:15.155
and I mentioned this on, on last week's episode,
858
00:34:15.895 --> 00:34:18.155
any other driver that has won, well,
859
00:34:18.215 --> 00:34:19.835
if we were looking at 20, 24, right?
860
00:34:19.935 --> 00:34:21.875
Any other driver that had won three races
861
00:34:22.615 --> 00:34:26.475
and was the only driver in contention
862
00:34:26.475 --> 00:34:28.195
to win the championship going into the final race,
863
00:34:28.305 --> 00:34:29.675
even though it was a long shot,
864
00:34:29.675 --> 00:34:34.195
but mathematically possible would've had a deal done,
865
00:34:34.575 --> 00:34:38.275
or at least some sort of idea of what
866
00:34:38.275 --> 00:34:39.395
that deal was gonna look like.
867
00:34:40.455 --> 00:34:43.515
And he, he didn't have either of those things.
868
00:34:43.855 --> 00:34:46.435
So that's, that for me is, I,
869
00:34:46.555 --> 00:34:47.995
I can't quite wrap my head around it.
870
00:34:48.025 --> 00:34:52.875
It's very, very strange. And if I'm will, um,
871
00:34:52.935 --> 00:34:56.475
and again, we're on a, on the speculation train, but after,
872
00:34:56.725 --> 00:34:59.315
after all of this, and maybe it's not speculation
873
00:34:59.315 --> 00:35:02.195
because there's been a couple, there's been a couple quotes
874
00:35:02.985 --> 00:35:05.235
that he's had where it's like,
875
00:35:06.015 --> 00:35:07.635
who says the decision isn't up to me?
876
00:35:08.005 --> 00:35:12.315
Let's say, let's say that the powers that be at, at,
877
00:35:12.495 --> 00:35:15.315
at Penske Racing team, Penske, Penske Corp, whatever,
878
00:35:15.335 --> 00:35:16.355
decide, all right, we,
879
00:35:17.125 --> 00:35:19.625
we resolved whatever situation we got ourselves into.
880
00:35:20.375 --> 00:35:23.985
Come on back. If you're a driver, let's,
881
00:35:23.985 --> 00:35:25.505
let's just take this example out of it.
882
00:35:25.505 --> 00:35:29.825
You're any sports person for any team in any league,
883
00:35:30.565 --> 00:35:33.545
and you've been kind of strung along for that period of time
884
00:35:34.125 --> 00:35:38.565
and been forced to kind of perform under that undue pressure
885
00:35:39.305 --> 00:35:42.005
and have to tolerate all of the questions and the media
886
00:35:42.225 --> 00:35:45.565
and all of the, the presumptions that go along with that.
887
00:35:46.935 --> 00:35:50.805
Would you really want to just walk back into that door?
888
00:35:51.245 --> 00:35:52.405
I don't know. Maybe, maybe
889
00:35:52.405 --> 00:35:53.485
because at the end of the day,
890
00:35:53.835 --> 00:35:56.365
that is the most successful team on the grid
891
00:35:56.465 --> 00:35:58.765
and he knows he has his best shot, um,
892
00:35:58.905 --> 00:36:00.525
to be competitive and successful there.
893
00:36:00.545 --> 00:36:03.645
So maybe, and you swallow your pride sort of situation and,
894
00:36:03.705 --> 00:36:04.845
and you take what they give you.
895
00:36:05.665 --> 00:36:08.925
But at what point do you not do that?
896
00:36:09.025 --> 00:36:10.565
And that, I don't know, you,
897
00:36:10.565 --> 00:36:12.725
You, you could argue that there's a, there's been a level
898
00:36:12.725 --> 00:36:16.645
of disrespect now that you would just out of, out
899
00:36:16.645 --> 00:36:17.805
of bitterness, not want.
900
00:36:18.005 --> 00:36:19.405
'cause it's like you weren't
901
00:36:19.405 --> 00:36:21.325
wanted, you weren't good enough. Right? That's
902
00:36:21.325 --> 00:36:21.965
My point. Yeah.
903
00:36:22.095 --> 00:36:23.805
Right. And so, yeah. But, so
904
00:36:24.645 --> 00:36:26.205
I think he's in a unique situation
905
00:36:26.205 --> 00:36:29.525
because Will's got nothing to prove to anybody, right?
906
00:36:29.835 --> 00:36:31.805
He's in the top five all time wins.
907
00:36:31.985 --> 00:36:33.965
He is the top all time qualifier.
908
00:36:33.995 --> 00:36:38.825
He's got a 502 championships willpower could retire tomorrow
909
00:36:39.485 --> 00:36:40.545
and it's a hall of fame career.
910
00:36:40.645 --> 00:36:43.665
And no one looks at Willpower's career with, uh oh.
911
00:36:43.775 --> 00:36:47.065
What if, you know, so he kind of has the freedom
912
00:36:48.485 --> 00:36:49.825
to tell a team of
913
00:36:49.825 --> 00:36:53.625
that caliber if he feels he's been mistreated to pound sand.
914
00:36:54.125 --> 00:36:56.545
And if he just loves going IndyCar racing, yes,
915
00:36:56.645 --> 00:36:57.665
he might be accepting
916
00:36:57.665 --> 00:36:59.025
that he's not gonna have the same
917
00:36:59.025 --> 00:37:00.105
opportunity to win as much.
918
00:37:00.245 --> 00:37:01.705
But at the same time,
919
00:37:01.705 --> 00:37:03.185
that's what's cool about IndyCar racing is
920
00:37:03.185 --> 00:37:04.505
everybody can win most years.
921
00:37:05.005 --> 00:37:07.385
Thanks Polo. But minus 25,
922
00:37:07.405 --> 00:37:09.105
but yeah, minus 25, what is Well this
923
00:37:09.335 --> 00:37:10.505
outlier, this doesn't count.
924
00:37:10.505 --> 00:37:13.345
Yeah. Yeah. But so he, he, he kind of does have that,
925
00:37:13.535 --> 00:37:15.105
that power, which I think is awesome.
926
00:37:15.325 --> 00:37:18.065
And I mean, I would love nothing more than to hear,
927
00:37:18.285 --> 00:37:19.505
you know, years down the road.
928
00:37:19.695 --> 00:37:21.505
He's like, yeah, no. And you know,
929
00:37:21.565 --> 00:37:23.145
on September 4th they called me
930
00:37:23.145 --> 00:37:24.625
and said, all right, let's do it.
931
00:37:24.645 --> 00:37:26.745
And he's just like, no, absolutely not.
932
00:37:27.085 --> 00:37:28.425
You got, i I have no interest
933
00:37:28.605 --> 00:37:29.745
in working with this group anymore.
934
00:37:29.935 --> 00:37:34.505
Yeah, it'd be, it'd be such a cool story. Um, so yeah, man.
935
00:37:34.655 --> 00:37:38.465
Okay, so let's say for whatever reason he's not at Penske,
936
00:37:38.465 --> 00:37:40.385
whether it's his choice, it's their choice, whatever.
937
00:37:41.085 --> 00:37:43.225
Um, 'cause again, I dunno if you, if you kind of picked,
938
00:37:43.265 --> 00:37:45.465
I dunno if you wa you probably didn't watch the race, uh,
939
00:37:45.575 --> 00:37:48.745
from Portland, but his interview, his victory, yeah,
940
00:37:48.745 --> 00:37:49.785
I had a great career. Yeah,
941
00:37:49.935 --> 00:37:50.935
Yeah.
942
00:37:50.935 --> 00:37:51.705
And like thanked, it was nice.
943
00:37:51.705 --> 00:37:53.105
It was so nice working with all the people.
944
00:37:53.105 --> 00:37:56.105
Like, it, it sounded very past tense esque. Yes.
945
00:37:56.965 --> 00:37:59.025
So again, I, I don't think they had good news.
946
00:37:59.105 --> 00:38:01.665
I don't think he's going back my opinion. Where's he go?
947
00:38:02.405 --> 00:38:06.065
If your willpower and Pence's not an option, where do you,
948
00:38:06.065 --> 00:38:07.145
like, where do you wanna end up?
949
00:38:07.145 --> 00:38:08.625
Well, I mean, Dixon's going to coin.
950
00:38:08.645 --> 00:38:10.585
He could take his seat. Great point.
951
00:38:10.895 --> 00:38:13.185
Well, James, he could Preem
Dixon going to co It's,
952
00:38:13.215 --> 00:38:15.265
It's a pretty easy, pretty easy answer.
953
00:38:16.045 --> 00:38:17.825
You wanna end up at Canas. Andretti?
954
00:38:18.015 --> 00:38:19.785
Okay. What are the,
955
00:38:19.785 --> 00:38:22.025
what are the realistic prospects of those things happening?
956
00:38:22.215 --> 00:38:25.625
This is motor supports, dude. A hundred percent, 80%.
957
00:38:25.785 --> 00:38:29.025
I mean, realistic, I don't know, but like, could it happen?
958
00:38:29.585 --> 00:38:30.625
Absolutely. Like Yeah,
959
00:38:30.905 --> 00:38:31.905
Anything's possible, I suppose.
960
00:38:31.905 --> 00:38:32.625
I mean, I mean, I'd throw
961
00:38:32.625 --> 00:38:33.985
McLaren in there as well. Obviously.
962
00:38:34.265 --> 00:38:35.525
I think that one's harder. Why?
963
00:38:35.635 --> 00:38:36.635
That one's harder, one's harder.
964
00:38:38.625 --> 00:38:42.715
Um, well obviously the,
965
00:38:42.995 --> 00:38:44.155
I I can't talk about
966
00:38:44.155 --> 00:38:45.155
it.
,
967
00:38:45.395 --> 00:38:47.155
I can't because there's one car
968
00:38:47.155 --> 00:38:49.035
that's not performed at the level of the other two.
969
00:38:49.485 --> 00:38:50.955
Right. There may be some other
970
00:38:51.515 --> 00:38:53.115
elements that are involved there.
971
00:38:53.425 --> 00:38:56.675
Fine. You know, I know that MSR was one of the teams
972
00:38:56.675 --> 00:38:57.715
that was talked about a lot,
973
00:38:57.775 --> 00:38:59.955
but it was just announced that Armstrong's going back,
974
00:38:59.955 --> 00:39:02.235
congrats to Marcus, uh, at MSR.
975
00:39:02.585 --> 00:39:04.875
Good job. They'll be back together in 26.
976
00:39:05.415 --> 00:39:07.795
Ray Hall's kind of seems to be the lead candidate in terms
977
00:39:07.795 --> 00:39:08.995
of, you know, possibilities.
978
00:39:09.535 --> 00:39:12.435
No one really knows the details of Deb's deal, man.
979
00:39:12.455 --> 00:39:14.875
For all we know Graham's, like Graham's kind of threatened
980
00:39:14.875 --> 00:39:16.155
to retire a couple times already.
981
00:39:16.335 --> 00:39:18.675
Mm mm-hmm . Um, okay, how about this,
982
00:39:18.695 --> 00:39:23.475
how about this possibility is if, if Ma Lucas is going to
983
00:39:24.135 --> 00:39:26.755
Penske, there's an open seat of Foy.
984
00:39:27.425 --> 00:39:28.515
He's a big GM guy.
985
00:39:28.515 --> 00:39:30.475
He is, he's raced, you know, with Chevy for a long time.
986
00:39:30.475 --> 00:39:31.715
There's still, I mean, maybe
987
00:39:31.715 --> 00:39:33.355
that technical partnership continues
988
00:39:33.355 --> 00:39:36.315
and that's kind of like the, the parting gift to Will is,
989
00:39:36.655 --> 00:39:38.835
hey, you go into the Foyt car,
990
00:39:39.335 --> 00:39:41.515
we continue supporting it from an engineering standpoint.
991
00:39:42.265 --> 00:39:44.975
Maybe that's a possibility. I dunno if it's what you want,
992
00:39:45.195 --> 00:39:46.855
But that, I think that I think is the most
993
00:39:46.855 --> 00:39:48.975
logical solution.
994
00:39:49.195 --> 00:39:52.135
But I don't, I don't think this, I don't think the sequence
995
00:39:52.135 --> 00:39:54.055
of events that are gonna unfold in the next
996
00:39:54.115 --> 00:39:55.175
two months are gonna be logical.
997
00:39:55.275 --> 00:39:56.735
That's my, yeah. That's just my guess.
998
00:39:57.245 --> 00:39:59.735
Yeah. If
Only there was a name to show
999
00:39:59.765 --> 00:40:01.535
that it's like illogical, I guess.
1000
00:40:01.535 --> 00:40:04.575
Like it was silly, like a silly period of time. Hmm.
1001
00:40:05.115 --> 00:40:07.455
Almost like, like almost like a, an entire season
1002
00:40:07.515 --> 00:40:10.375
of the sport that was dedicated to the silliness of,
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Of driver.
1004
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Look, I think, I think we're good. I think silly period
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of time has a ring to it
1006
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and I think that's what people are gonna
1007
00:40:15.975 --> 00:40:17.255
use. I don't think we need to keep going.
1008
00:40:17.775 --> 00:40:19.695
I that sounds a little too simplified,
1009
00:40:19.695 --> 00:40:21.975
but like silly period of time involving driver
1010
00:40:22.655 --> 00:40:23.895
movement is probably a little more
1011
00:40:23.895 --> 00:40:25.095
just so that we know what we're talking about.
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00:40:25.095 --> 00:40:26.335
Just so it's more Yeah. Okay.
1013
00:40:26.455 --> 00:40:27.655
I get that. That makes sense.
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00:40:27.685 --> 00:40:29.495
Yeah. Silly period of time could just be like
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00:40:30.075 --> 00:40:31.135
at the zoo , you
1016
00:40:31.135 --> 00:40:31.975
Know? That's true. That's
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00:40:31.975 --> 00:40:32.975
True.
1018
00:40:32.975 --> 00:40:36.175
Whatever. Yeah. Well that's great. Um, the zoo would
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Be silly.
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00:40:37.175 --> 00:40:37.775
Alice, did you know
1021
00:40:37.775 --> 00:40:40.295
that you have a phenomenal finishing record at Milwaukee?
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A hundred percent. Are
You super
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00:40:41.895 --> 00:40:43.175
excited about going to Milwaukee?
1024
00:40:43.575 --> 00:40:48.375
I am. I, um, that was one of those tracks where I,
1025
00:40:48.575 --> 00:40:52.695
I was told by you, by Old Man Hunter Ray, by a lot of people
1026
00:40:52.765 --> 00:40:55.335
that like, man, I wish you were
1027
00:40:55.335 --> 00:40:56.615
around when we raced in Milwaukee.
1028
00:40:57.475 --> 00:40:58.575
And then it came back
1029
00:40:58.795 --> 00:41:03.055
and I went to the test there in like, June of, of last year
1030
00:41:04.195 --> 00:41:06.335
and I was like, these guys are probably full of
1031
00:41:07.375 --> 00:41:09.055
and it takes a lot, as we know,
1032
00:41:09.055 --> 00:41:10.535
it takes quite a bit to impress me, .
1033
00:41:11.275 --> 00:41:13.175
Um, and I did, I did my first run.
1034
00:41:13.255 --> 00:41:14.935
I was like, hell yeah, this place is bitching .
1035
00:41:15.555 --> 00:41:18.455
Um, and, and it, it raced.
1036
00:41:18.875 --> 00:41:20.815
Not only is it awesome to drive, like it's awesome
1037
00:41:20.835 --> 00:41:23.015
to do a cute qualifying lap there.
1038
00:41:23.195 --> 00:41:26.655
Um, it raced excellent last year, both races,
1039
00:41:27.665 --> 00:41:29.975
which is a little bit of a rarity on Doubleheaders
1040
00:41:29.975 --> 00:41:33.965
because usually, you know, a lot of improvements are made
1041
00:41:33.965 --> 00:41:36.245
to the cars between race one, race two,
1042
00:41:36.265 --> 00:41:37.685
and people are kind of more dialed in,
1043
00:41:37.685 --> 00:41:38.725
so there's less separation.
1044
00:41:38.865 --> 00:41:41.005
But because there was so much tired egg
1045
00:41:41.065 --> 00:41:43.125
and, um, there is two line
1046
00:41:43.385 --> 00:41:47.725
or two lanes that open up, there's three, um, at times it,
1047
00:41:47.745 --> 00:41:51.085
it made for an awesome race, uh, which probably means,
1048
00:41:52.225 --> 00:41:53.725
you know, it'll be a different tire
1049
00:41:53.825 --> 00:41:55.325
and we won't get the same thing.
1050
00:41:55.545 --> 00:41:57.905
But here's hoping
1051
00:41:59.235 --> 00:42:00.235
don't do that.
1052
00:42:00.235 --> 00:42:01.425
Don't, don't ruin that for us.
1053
00:42:02.165 --> 00:42:04.385
Are you like, are you bummed that it's only a,
1054
00:42:04.665 --> 00:42:06.665
a single header now? Yeah, only a single race.
1055
00:42:06.665 --> 00:42:08.785
Yeah. I'm super bummed. Yeah.
1056
00:42:09.535 --> 00:42:11.705
Like what? Yeah.
1057
00:42:12.615 --> 00:42:14.705
Yeah.
If only there was another doubleheader we could
1058
00:42:14.705 --> 00:42:15.905
have traded it for anyways.
1059
00:42:16.165 --> 00:42:19.905
Um, uh, the, the fan turnout, the fairgrounds,
1060
00:42:20.055 --> 00:42:24.025
like I loved last year how outside the grandstands,
1061
00:42:24.025 --> 00:42:25.505
like all the concessions that are usually a part
1062
00:42:26.085 --> 00:42:28.105
of the state fair were open
1063
00:42:28.525 --> 00:42:30.545
and it just made it a really cool
1064
00:42:31.885 --> 00:42:33.505
and nice environment to be a part of.
1065
00:42:33.845 --> 00:42:37.705
Mm-hmm . And, and all the fans that asked for so many years
1066
00:42:37.705 --> 00:42:39.465
to go back to Milwaukee showed up.
1067
00:42:39.935 --> 00:42:41.705
They were treated to two awesome races.
1068
00:42:42.325 --> 00:42:44.785
Um, it seems as though, from what I've heard, ticket sales
1069
00:42:44.845 --> 00:42:46.625
or eclipsing that of last year.
1070
00:42:46.885 --> 00:42:49.585
So yeah, I mean, it should be another fantastic weekend
1071
00:42:49.605 --> 00:42:51.265
and, and super pumped for it. I don't like
1072
00:42:51.265 --> 00:42:53.185
This positivity. You be negative about
1073
00:42:53.185 --> 00:42:54.185
something.
,
1074
00:42:54.185 --> 00:42:55.705
I already threw my negative thing in there. Mm-hmm.
1075
00:42:55.705 --> 00:42:57.105
Yeah. Tim, you're still here.
1076
00:42:57.605 --> 00:42:59.665
Anyway, there, it's, you know, we, there was,
1077
00:42:59.715 --> 00:43:00.865
there was a call to action.
1078
00:43:01.025 --> 00:43:03.225
I was like, Hey, don't complain about Milwaukee not being on
1079
00:43:03.225 --> 00:43:04.225
the schedule and then don't show up.
1080
00:43:04.525 --> 00:43:06.865
You guys showed up. We had fans that bought tickets
1081
00:43:07.085 --> 00:43:09.545
and didn't even show up just to support the race.
1082
00:43:09.875 --> 00:43:11.425
Again, shout out, appreciate that.
1083
00:43:11.625 --> 00:43:13.345
I believe she's actually coming this year, which is great.
1084
00:43:13.365 --> 00:43:14.385
And, and the fans,
1085
00:43:14.385 --> 00:43:17.105
you guys drank Milwaukee out a beer, which was impressive.
1086
00:43:17.175 --> 00:43:20.345
Like the, the grounds actually ran out of alcohol, which is
1087
00:43:21.125 --> 00:43:22.985
so Wisconsin, and I absolutely love that.
1088
00:43:23.685 --> 00:43:26.025
So, uh, I'm, I'm super excited to get back.
1089
00:43:26.155 --> 00:43:27.505
Great place to have, you know,
1090
00:43:27.625 --> 00:43:28.745
a race near the end of the season.
1091
00:43:29.405 --> 00:43:31.505
And then dude, we're like, we're two away,
1092
00:43:31.695 --> 00:43:33.025
like two weeks from now, two
1093
00:43:33.025 --> 00:43:34.025
Weeks away. I know
1094
00:43:34.045 --> 00:43:37.315
You're on, you're on temporary leave. ,
1095
00:43:37.895 --> 00:43:40.915
you're on six month, uh, what's, what's the word?
1096
00:43:41.105 --> 00:43:42.595
It's so dumb. What, what's that word?
1097
00:43:42.595 --> 00:43:44.555
When you kinda get put on, you're on,
1098
00:43:44.555 --> 00:43:46.515
uh, word maternity leave.
1099
00:43:46.895 --> 00:43:49.275
No, no, no, no, no. When you fur, it's you like a professor,
1100
00:43:49.275 --> 00:43:50.755
you get furloughed or No, I'm
1101
00:43:50.755 --> 00:43:51.755
Talking.
1102
00:43:51.755 --> 00:43:52.635
Gets to the professor when you're trying to get, um,
1103
00:43:53.255 --> 00:43:55.635
Oh,
Tenured oriented tenure. No, it's,
1104
00:43:55.635 --> 00:43:56.635
It's a no no.
1105
00:43:56.815 --> 00:43:58.595
I'm talking about furloughed when you're not really sabba,
1106
00:43:58.775 --> 00:43:59.875
but you're not unemployed.
1107
00:44:00.115 --> 00:44:02.755
Sabbatical. Sabbatical is a good one too. Sabbatical. Yeah.
1108
00:44:02.755 --> 00:44:03.755
Either way you're gonna have a lot
1109
00:44:03.755 --> 00:44:04.555
of spare time on your hands.
1110
00:44:04.745 --> 00:44:06.875
It's gonna be, I can't believe this season's almost done.
1111
00:44:07.195 --> 00:44:09.195
I can't believe we're August 19th and it's almost done.
1112
00:44:09.195 --> 00:44:11.275
I five episodes of Off Track a week during
1113
00:44:11.275 --> 00:44:12.275
The offseason.
1114
00:44:12.275 --> 00:44:14.795
I absolutely hate it. I love it. I think it's, it's so dumb.
1115
00:44:15.625 --> 00:44:16.925
But we can talk about that
1116
00:44:17.065 --> 00:44:18.885
for the seven months that we have to talk about it.
1117
00:44:18.975 --> 00:44:20.845
Let's do it. In the meantime,
1118
00:44:21.035 --> 00:44:22.125
I'll see you in Milwaukee Powell.
1119
00:44:22.245 --> 00:44:25.245
I hope you're able to continue your wonderful streak
1120
00:44:25.345 --> 00:44:27.845
and I think it's like your best finishing average track.
1121
00:44:28.185 --> 00:44:29.205
So let's keep that going.
1122
00:44:30.635 --> 00:44:32.085
This has been off track with Hinch
1123
00:44:32.085 --> 00:44:33.645
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00:44:33.645 --> 00:44:35.925
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00:44:36.385 --> 00:44:37.525
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