WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.195 --> 00:00:01.485 This is, is off track. 2 00:00:02.855 --> 00:00:05.245 Thank God Tim's not wearing a hat today. Guys. Neither . 3 00:00:08.255 --> 00:00:10.365 Hello and welcome to Off Track with Hi and Rossi. 4 00:00:10.365 --> 00:00:12.405 And guys, I just gotta say right off the bat, first of all, 5 00:00:12.505 --> 00:00:13.525 yes, I, I'm sick. 6 00:00:13.545 --> 00:00:14.845 If I sound sick it's 'cause I'm sick. 7 00:00:15.945 --> 00:00:19.045 Um, was Alex pointed out? Yeah. 8 00:00:19.145 --> 00:00:21.765 Is that just 'cause I didn't know being a cool dude 9 00:00:21.995 --> 00:00:23.085 made your voice different. 10 00:00:24.705 --> 00:00:28.805 Um, how, how, how, what? You're sick. 11 00:00:29.275 --> 00:00:30.445 Like 'cause of his travel? 12 00:00:30.865 --> 00:00:32.285 No, like he's cool 'cause it was 13 00:00:32.285 --> 00:00:33.285 Travel. 14 00:00:33.285 --> 00:00:35.685 No, 'cause like he's sick bro. You live in California. 15 00:00:35.945 --> 00:00:38.365 That's dumber. That's dumber. Yeah. But it's not 16 00:00:38.615 --> 00:00:39.615 Worse than what I thought. 17 00:00:39.615 --> 00:00:42.605 It's not 2003 . Yeah. We're on grade 18 00:00:42.605 --> 00:00:43.605 Eight. 19 00:00:44.405 --> 00:00:46.565 I don't Know. You notice how you notice 20 00:00:46.625 --> 00:00:48.725 how Americans say eighth 21 00:00:48.725 --> 00:00:49.725 Grade grade. 22 00:00:49.725 --> 00:00:50.445 You say tight. All the, you say grade eight. 23 00:00:50.445 --> 00:00:52.325 Say you say tight all the time. Still James. 24 00:00:52.465 --> 00:00:54.405 That's very eighth grade. 2003. 25 00:00:55.485 --> 00:00:56.605 I do not say that all the time. 26 00:00:56.995 --> 00:00:58.925 Yeah, you do. I'm not gonna say I haven't said 27 00:00:58.925 --> 00:01:01.205 that in the last five years, but I just say that. 28 00:01:01.405 --> 00:01:05.805 I say that all the time. I feel like, ah, tight. 29 00:01:06.005 --> 00:01:08.325 I don't think so . Unless it's like cool, cool, cool. 30 00:01:08.325 --> 00:01:10.125 Tight, tight, tight. Which is like a joke 31 00:01:10.125 --> 00:01:12.285 that's playing off a skit. Hmm. So 32 00:01:13.125 --> 00:01:14.445 I always just thought that was from Brooklyn. 33 00:01:14.445 --> 00:01:16.285 Nine. Nine. Cool. Cool, cool. 34 00:01:17.195 --> 00:01:18.285 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 35 00:01:18.285 --> 00:01:19.845 Yeah. Cool, cool. Coolay. 36 00:01:20.075 --> 00:01:23.405 Anyways, you're sick. But like with the fever kind. 37 00:01:24.115 --> 00:01:25.565 Yeah. Like with a head cold. Mm. 38 00:01:25.835 --> 00:01:28.085 Stuffed sinuses, which really sucks when you're flying. 39 00:01:28.205 --> 00:01:29.285 I haven't done that in a long time. 40 00:01:29.585 --> 00:01:32.845 And man, they say don't fly when you've got a, a head cold. 41 00:01:33.435 --> 00:01:35.845 They're right. It is a very unpleasant 42 00:01:35.845 --> 00:01:37.125 experience on the way back down. 43 00:01:37.655 --> 00:01:39.245 Still sort of feel like my face is trying 44 00:01:39.245 --> 00:01:40.525 to explode off of my skull. 45 00:01:41.225 --> 00:01:43.525 But I just wanna say that I'm very impressed with us. 46 00:01:43.925 --> 00:01:46.405 'cause once again, we're in three different places. 47 00:01:47.025 --> 00:01:48.725 We had to balance a lot of things to make this happen. 48 00:01:49.545 --> 00:01:51.485 And we're doing it. We're really doing it. 49 00:01:51.905 --> 00:01:53.525 And I'm proud of us guys. 50 00:01:54.205 --> 00:01:56.445 I feel like it's more you that needs the credit. 51 00:01:56.865 --> 00:01:59.885 And then me and then Tim doesn't really need much 52 00:02:00.305 --> 00:02:02.205 of anything if we're honest. Yeah. 53 00:02:02.205 --> 00:02:03.605 I have something today. I can't move. 54 00:02:04.155 --> 00:02:06.725 Okay. Well It's a meeting with the, the principal 55 00:02:06.725 --> 00:02:08.965 of the school though, so it's not like a work thing. Right. 56 00:02:09.415 --> 00:02:12.525 Hazel in trouble? No principal's in trouble. Oh, 57 00:02:12.665 --> 00:02:13.685 Not kidding. I'm kidding. Oh damn. 58 00:02:13.835 --> 00:02:16.365 It's just, it's about like a Yeah, no it's, there's, 59 00:02:16.475 --> 00:02:17.725 It's because she's too, I'm not that kind of 60 00:02:17.725 --> 00:02:19.165 Parent, but yeah, we do. 61 00:02:19.185 --> 00:02:21.445 And and you know what, it's 'cause it's 62 00:02:21.445 --> 00:02:22.525 because we have great fans. 63 00:02:23.545 --> 00:02:26.525 Um, Tim. No, we do. We do. 64 00:02:27.265 --> 00:02:29.845 Tim and I met a bunch of them in Nashville. I know. 65 00:02:29.965 --> 00:02:30.885 'cause we didn't talk about that. 'cause we 66 00:02:30.885 --> 00:02:31.645 haven't got to Nashville yet. 67 00:02:31.645 --> 00:02:33.725 We'll get there later. Maybe next episode. 68 00:02:33.725 --> 00:02:34.925 Um, next episode. Yeah. 69 00:02:35.465 --> 00:02:36.925 But, uh, they're great. You guys are great. 70 00:02:36.925 --> 00:02:39.565 Just want to give a little shout out to Fan Appreciation Day 71 00:02:39.705 --> 00:02:40.725 and that's why we do this. 72 00:02:40.865 --> 00:02:43.645 So yeah, I'm in Nashville. Bajan. It's 1130. 73 00:02:44.045 --> 00:02:48.645 I woke up in France very early. Oh, very. So, so, so early. 74 00:02:48.885 --> 00:02:50.965 I have a travel story though. I don't know where to start. 75 00:02:51.085 --> 00:02:52.925 I got so many things. We got a lot to talk about, 76 00:02:53.365 --> 00:02:54.365 I feel. 77 00:02:54.365 --> 00:02:54.845 Why did you have to get up so early? 78 00:02:54.955 --> 00:02:57.005 Baku isn't that far from France. 79 00:02:58.305 --> 00:03:02.165 So I was in Mosse Michel, which 80 00:03:03.505 --> 00:03:05.525 was a, is a place that's four hours from Paris. 81 00:03:05.545 --> 00:03:07.085 Mm-hmm. Which is where I was flying out of. 82 00:03:07.465 --> 00:03:09.925 And I had a 7:00 AM flight. Mm-hmm. 83 00:03:09.925 --> 00:03:13.045 So I actually left Mosse Michel last night after dinner. 84 00:03:14.145 --> 00:03:18.045 Got to a hotel by the airport at like one 30 85 00:03:18.265 --> 00:03:19.925 and then had a 5:00 AM wake up call 86 00:03:19.925 --> 00:03:21.405 to catch my 7:00 AM flight. 87 00:03:23.185 --> 00:03:26.125 Now. It's not that far, but I did have a layover. 88 00:03:26.125 --> 00:03:29.885 Fairly lengthy layover. Four hours in Istanbul. Hmm. 89 00:03:30.395 --> 00:03:33.965 Alex, have you flown through Istanbul? I 90 00:03:33.965 --> 00:03:34.965 Have. 91 00:03:34.965 --> 00:03:36.125 Why have you not told me about this? 92 00:03:36.955 --> 00:03:38.645 It's pretty great, isn't it? It 93 00:03:38.645 --> 00:03:41.605 Is, it is very quickly become my 94 00:03:41.765 --> 00:03:43.725 favorite layover place. 95 00:03:43.835 --> 00:03:45.685 Layover airport on planet Earth. 96 00:03:45.955 --> 00:03:47.485 What is it about it? Dude? 97 00:03:47.635 --> 00:03:49.685 It's like the nicest shopping mall 98 00:03:50.245 --> 00:03:52.445 restaurant promenade combo you've 99 00:03:52.445 --> 00:03:53.885 seen anywhere in the world. 100 00:03:53.905 --> 00:03:55.005 And it's in an airport. 101 00:03:55.445 --> 00:03:57.725 I I feel like the, I'm exaggerating stuff. 102 00:03:57.905 --> 00:03:59.045 The main, the main terminal, 103 00:04:00.285 --> 00:04:03.145 the Singapore Airlines terminal in Singapore rivals it. 104 00:04:04.015 --> 00:04:06.305 Well that's got an actual mall attached to it. Right. 105 00:04:06.445 --> 00:04:09.305 So like that you can just go to though, right? Sure. 106 00:04:09.305 --> 00:04:12.745 This this, you have to be a passenger on a plane in order to 107 00:04:12.745 --> 00:04:13.465 Access. Right. Okay. 108 00:04:14.015 --> 00:04:16.225 Just Week and relatable content on off 109 00:04:16.225 --> 00:04:17.225 track. . . 110 00:04:18.285 --> 00:04:21.545 Anyway, it's enormous, right? It's enormous. It's so big. 111 00:04:22.015 --> 00:04:26.385 They have two Lego stores in the same pla They have three 112 00:04:26.385 --> 00:04:29.265 different Hugo Boss like setups. 113 00:04:30.325 --> 00:04:31.665 You know, they've got all the Highend stuff. 114 00:04:31.665 --> 00:04:33.585 They've got all like the biggest duty free 115 00:04:33.595 --> 00:04:34.865 thing I've ever seen in my life. 116 00:04:35.765 --> 00:04:38.345 20 restaurants. Pick your cuisine. They've got it. 117 00:04:39.365 --> 00:04:43.945 The lounge. Oh my god. The, the Turkish Airlines lounge. 118 00:04:44.815 --> 00:04:46.025 Good lord. 119 00:04:46.295 --> 00:04:48.585 More than the most impressive setups I've ever seen. 120 00:04:49.325 --> 00:04:52.385 It was like a had like all these different little food 121 00:04:52.385 --> 00:04:53.505 stations and it was really cool. 122 00:04:53.505 --> 00:04:55.225 You had like little lockers you could put your bags 123 00:04:55.245 --> 00:04:56.905 and like not have to carry them around 124 00:04:56.965 --> 00:04:57.965 Or worry about them. 125 00:04:57.965 --> 00:04:58.785 It's like, it's like a spa 126 00:04:59.835 --> 00:05:01.145 Feels, it's kind of like a spa. 127 00:05:01.485 --> 00:05:03.025 It feels spa esque. Yeah. 128 00:05:03.965 --> 00:05:05.265 You got showers if you wanna do 129 00:05:05.265 --> 00:05:06.665 showers like all sorts of food. 130 00:05:06.745 --> 00:05:10.825 I had this incredible little combo of Turkish delights. 131 00:05:10.825 --> 00:05:12.145 And I don't mean literal Turkish delight. 132 00:05:12.185 --> 00:05:14.665 I know that's a thing. I mean delightful Turkish cuisine. 133 00:05:15.215 --> 00:05:16.865 Sure. Four hour layover. 134 00:05:16.865 --> 00:05:18.305 And I was like, I'm sad this is ending. 135 00:05:18.585 --> 00:05:20.665 I want to be here for longer. . Hmm. 136 00:05:20.985 --> 00:05:22.225 I can't believe you held out on me on that one. 137 00:05:22.225 --> 00:05:23.225 Is there any other reports that 138 00:05:23.225 --> 00:05:24.465 you're not telling me about? No, 139 00:05:24.745 --> 00:05:25.945 I would say, I would say there 140 00:05:26.085 --> 00:05:30.715 and I mean you've been through, you've been through Dubai. 141 00:05:31.055 --> 00:05:32.835 That's not that impressive. I would say. 142 00:05:32.915 --> 00:05:34.515 I would say Singapore or Istanbul are 143 00:05:35.195 --> 00:05:36.275 probably top the list. Yeah, 144 00:05:36.545 --> 00:05:37.545 They're right up there. 145 00:05:37.705 --> 00:05:39.355 They are right up there. Yeah. 146 00:05:39.355 --> 00:05:41.835 Have you tried Orlando? It's great. Hmm. 147 00:05:42.185 --> 00:05:45.075 Orlando does have a very nice hotel right in the terminal, 148 00:05:45.245 --> 00:05:46.315 which is a big plus. 149 00:05:46.835 --> 00:05:48.315 I give every hotel that does that at 150 00:05:48.315 --> 00:05:49.955 or uh, airport that does that a big plus. 151 00:05:50.255 --> 00:05:53.755 So on my four hour car ride from 152 00:05:54.335 --> 00:05:58.965 mostly Michelle to Paris in the middle of the night, it was, 153 00:05:58.965 --> 00:06:01.685 uh, I I've never been in a Tesla model Y before. 154 00:06:02.065 --> 00:06:04.285 You had an electric car through the country Roads 155 00:06:04.285 --> 00:06:06.325 of France in the middle of the night on 156 00:06:06.325 --> 00:06:07.325 A four hour drive. 157 00:06:07.325 --> 00:06:08.565 Sure did s palsy and it, 158 00:06:08.785 --> 00:06:10.245 and I didn't really, I I wasn't driving. 159 00:06:10.405 --> 00:06:12.325 I I, it was, I got picked up. It was like car service. 160 00:06:12.505 --> 00:06:16.295 And so I was like, I didn't really think about it. 161 00:06:16.295 --> 00:06:18.295 And then I got in the car, we start driving the guy's like, 162 00:06:18.355 --> 00:06:20.615 hey, so just, you know, we're gonna need 163 00:06:20.615 --> 00:06:24.255 to stop at a supercharger for like 10 minutes just 164 00:06:24.255 --> 00:06:25.575 to make sure we make this trip. 165 00:06:25.715 --> 00:06:28.015 And I was like, I don't love this at all. 166 00:06:28.645 --> 00:06:29.895 This is a terrible idea. 167 00:06:29.895 --> 00:06:32.735 Like we were, I'm like, why are, why are you, 168 00:06:32.735 --> 00:06:36.295 why is this the car that you chose for this particular drip 169 00:06:36.435 --> 00:06:37.455 or endeavor at all? 170 00:06:38.155 --> 00:06:41.175 So yeah, had to like, pull over at 1230 171 00:06:41.275 --> 00:06:44.775 or something, at some totally shut down 172 00:06:44.885 --> 00:06:45.935 side of the highway place. 173 00:06:45.965 --> 00:06:47.775 Like no lights, nothing was on the stores, 174 00:06:48.095 --> 00:06:49.855 whatever were closed and just sat there. 175 00:06:49.855 --> 00:06:52.615 This car with this guy for like 20 minutes while they like 176 00:06:52.655 --> 00:06:57.095 supercharged his Tesla and ZZ off we went. 177 00:06:57.535 --> 00:06:58.615 I mean we did that when we went 178 00:06:58.615 --> 00:07:01.735 to Churchill Downs. It's not that fun. 179 00:07:02.165 --> 00:07:04.855 It's not great. That's true. No, it's not. 180 00:07:04.885 --> 00:07:06.855 It's it's, it's suboptimal how, wait, speaking 181 00:07:06.855 --> 00:07:08.975 of Churchill Downs, you went and saw your boy. I did 182 00:07:08.975 --> 00:07:11.015 Go see my <inaudible> horse. 183 00:07:11.715 --> 00:07:13.855 Um, and . 184 00:07:16.435 --> 00:07:19.335 So this, uh, it's, 185 00:07:19.365 --> 00:07:21.735 it's a really cool facility as you would imagine. 186 00:07:22.915 --> 00:07:26.015 Um, anything to do with grade one 187 00:07:26.355 --> 00:07:31.085 and two thoroughbred race horses that their 188 00:07:31.725 --> 00:07:36.245 esto their places of residents are pretty impressive. 189 00:07:36.295 --> 00:07:37.365 Right. Okay. 190 00:07:37.905 --> 00:07:41.525 And then if you imagine that they're, they're stables 191 00:07:41.525 --> 00:07:43.525 and where their home is pretty nice, imagine 192 00:07:44.095 --> 00:07:46.085 their rehab facilities, right? 193 00:07:46.115 --> 00:07:49.645 Yeah. Like we're talking professional athlete, 194 00:07:49.845 --> 00:07:53.685 NFL college ball, excuse me, player level 195 00:07:54.545 --> 00:07:57.645 of like cryotherapy chambers 196 00:07:57.985 --> 00:08:01.925 and infrared saunas and waiting pools 197 00:08:01.985 --> 00:08:03.965 and all of this sort of thing for horses. 198 00:08:05.545 --> 00:08:09.405 And so I was out at this farm, um, 199 00:08:10.185 --> 00:08:13.245 and she was like walking me through kind of what they do 200 00:08:13.385 --> 00:08:16.245 and, and you know, her history 201 00:08:16.545 --> 00:08:19.405 and she actually used to be a jockey at some point. 202 00:08:19.405 --> 00:08:21.325 Her name is, uh, Becky Maker. 203 00:08:22.505 --> 00:08:24.645 And um, she got hurt riding horses 204 00:08:24.985 --> 00:08:28.645 and so she had to find a different avenue with horses 205 00:08:28.705 --> 00:08:30.605 and she didn't want to be another stable 206 00:08:31.155 --> 00:08:32.725 breeder sort of situation. 207 00:08:32.725 --> 00:08:37.285 Yeah. 'cause that's a pretty, um, competitive market. Yeah. 208 00:08:37.285 --> 00:08:41.125 Yeah. And so the, she started, um, 209 00:08:41.555 --> 00:08:45.885 this farm at the same time when it was just starting 210 00:08:45.945 --> 00:08:49.485 to be more of a demand, the care 211 00:08:49.635 --> 00:08:50.805 that you were providing to horses. 212 00:08:51.065 --> 00:08:52.965 Not every horse that breaks their ankle 213 00:08:53.065 --> 00:08:54.445 is shot sort of thing. 214 00:08:54.445 --> 00:08:57.085 Like Right. These are animals that should live good 215 00:08:57.085 --> 00:08:58.405 to know 30 plus years. 216 00:08:59.225 --> 00:09:02.605 And so their, their lifespan needs to exist outside 217 00:09:02.605 --> 00:09:03.925 of the two to four years 218 00:09:03.925 --> 00:09:06.205 that they can make someone a profit on racetrack. 219 00:09:07.025 --> 00:09:08.045 And so she, 220 00:09:08.145 --> 00:09:10.485 she started this equine rehab, the facility. Tim's 221 00:09:10.485 --> 00:09:13.645 Like, eh, She started this. 222 00:09:14.065 --> 00:09:15.245 No, I was just happy to hear that. 'cause 223 00:09:15.245 --> 00:09:16.765 that's definitely not how it's always been. , 224 00:09:18.905 --> 00:09:21.165 um, an equine rehab facility with, 225 00:09:21.235 --> 00:09:23.485 with some pretty impressive partners. 226 00:09:23.745 --> 00:09:26.845 Um, a lot of those breeders stables nearby help 227 00:09:26.845 --> 00:09:28.205 contribute to, to make this place. 228 00:09:28.505 --> 00:09:30.525 And um, it's an incredible facility. 229 00:09:30.585 --> 00:09:33.445 And anyways, so they take, um, race horses 230 00:09:33.475 --> 00:09:36.765 that either have an illness or recovering from an operation 231 00:09:36.865 --> 00:09:37.925 or an injury or whatever, 232 00:09:38.505 --> 00:09:40.565 and they run 'em through a one-on-one program 233 00:09:41.685 --> 00:09:44.325 anywhere from three months to nine months to kind 234 00:09:44.325 --> 00:09:47.445 of get them back into shape that they can be set back 235 00:09:47.445 --> 00:09:50.125 to the trainer and begin their program again. 236 00:09:50.385 --> 00:09:54.885 Um, and it's, it's all inclusive therapy, 237 00:09:55.515 --> 00:09:59.445 food, the, the, the physios, the training, 238 00:10:00.225 --> 00:10:02.885 the accommodations, everything's paid for and built in. 239 00:10:02.885 --> 00:10:04.725 So anyways, he's in a very nice place, 240 00:10:04.875 --> 00:10:06.845 getting very well taken care of. 241 00:10:07.185 --> 00:10:12.165 Um, and he is, when I was there the last week, 242 00:10:12.545 --> 00:10:15.125 it was his first day kind of starting to trot 243 00:10:15.225 --> 00:10:17.285 and jog again, um, indoors. 244 00:10:17.745 --> 00:10:18.925 So he's on his way back. 245 00:10:20.265 --> 00:10:21.765 But the, the funny, the funny story 246 00:10:21.785 --> 00:10:23.325 was he was gelded, right? 247 00:10:23.325 --> 00:10:25.205 So he was, he was neutered essentially. 248 00:10:25.865 --> 00:10:28.325 And they did that for, the main purpose was, 249 00:10:28.325 --> 00:10:30.205 he was very hard to train. 250 00:10:30.265 --> 00:10:31.325 He was a little bit of a, 251 00:10:31.325 --> 00:10:32.725 he had a bit of an attitude problem. , 252 00:10:33.365 --> 00:10:35.645 he was very distracted, um, 253 00:10:35.745 --> 00:10:38.845 by other horses and explain. 254 00:10:38.845 --> 00:10:41.565 So I was like, so I was like, so is he better? 255 00:10:41.705 --> 00:10:42.965 And she was like, no. 256 00:10:43.985 --> 00:10:47.365 And we're like, oh shoot, , 257 00:10:50.225 --> 00:10:51.725 he actually gave himself bone. 258 00:10:52.385 --> 00:10:53.925 He gave himself bone bruises 259 00:10:54.085 --> 00:10:57.005 'cause he just got so riled up in his like area 260 00:10:57.865 --> 00:10:58.965 and wanted out. 261 00:10:59.625 --> 00:11:01.725 And so they're like, yeah, he's still a, 262 00:11:02.245 --> 00:11:04.125 a menace. We're like, okay, cool. 263 00:11:04.265 --> 00:11:06.405 So is this something? 'cause he's young, right? 264 00:11:06.465 --> 00:11:09.085 Is this something that mellows with age? Maybe 265 00:11:09.945 --> 00:11:12.965 She said it could or it could get worse, so could worse. 266 00:11:12.965 --> 00:11:14.605 Not that going for worse. Yeah. Yeah. 267 00:11:14.835 --> 00:11:17.045 Cool, cool, cool. Cool. Cool. Tight. 268 00:11:17.045 --> 00:11:21.245 How, how long sick bro. ? Yeah. 269 00:11:21.245 --> 00:11:25.275 How long can horses normally 270 00:11:25.275 --> 00:11:26.955 until they give up like race competitively? 271 00:11:28.305 --> 00:11:29.915 Well, Like, what's that like? 272 00:11:29.955 --> 00:11:31.115 I know it's, it's a hard thing, right? 273 00:11:31.115 --> 00:11:32.475 It's like, it's like drivers, you know, 274 00:11:32.695 --> 00:11:35.395 but like, what's like a kind of ballpark age? 275 00:11:35.775 --> 00:11:37.275 So Okay. If you want, 276 00:11:37.295 --> 00:11:41.115 if you're talking about racing at like, the big 277 00:11:42.135 --> 00:11:46.205 events for the, the, the, the big trainers where 278 00:11:46.425 --> 00:11:49.605 The triple crown, The, well just the races that 279 00:11:50.185 --> 00:11:51.885 are gonna be on tv, let's put it this way. 280 00:11:51.885 --> 00:11:52.925 Yeah. Not on FanDuel. 281 00:11:52.985 --> 00:11:57.165 The races are gonna be on NBC or Fox or whatever that is. 282 00:11:57.235 --> 00:11:58.845 Four years old. You're kind of peaked. 283 00:11:58.995 --> 00:12:00.365 Like that's, you're not gonna go 284 00:12:00.365 --> 00:12:03.285 beyond four if you wanna go race at the horseshoe in 285 00:12:03.285 --> 00:12:05.005 Shelbyville, right? 286 00:12:05.155 --> 00:12:09.525 Yeah. I mean that's 7, 8, 9 years old, so it's, yeah, 287 00:12:09.725 --> 00:12:12.365 I mean it's, you're, are you gonna be at IndyCar 288 00:12:12.585 --> 00:12:13.965 At one level's The PG tour, right? 289 00:12:14.375 --> 00:12:15.685 Right. Yeah. You're only there for, 290 00:12:15.865 --> 00:12:17.045 for two, two to three years. 291 00:12:17.815 --> 00:12:19.045 Right. Okay. Okay. 292 00:12:19.505 --> 00:12:21.605 So his copy that his clock is ticking very 293 00:12:21.605 --> 00:12:23.285 fast and his time is running 294 00:12:23.285 --> 00:12:24.285 Now. 295 00:12:24.285 --> 00:12:25.085 Yeah. He's what, almost three now? 296 00:12:25.345 --> 00:12:26.885 He is three? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. He's three. 297 00:12:27.395 --> 00:12:30.405 Yeah. So like next year is his last year to do anything. 298 00:12:31.075 --> 00:12:32.445 Okay. Which he probably won't. All right. 299 00:12:33.145 --> 00:12:34.245 But we'll see, you know, he is. 300 00:12:34.625 --> 00:12:36.965 But we'll have fun cheering tomorrow. Yeah, exactly. 301 00:12:36.965 --> 00:12:38.005 And you know, spending money on him, 302 00:12:38.195 --> 00:12:39.445 it's gonna be, yeah, it'll 303 00:12:39.445 --> 00:12:40.445 Be great as we do. 304 00:12:40.495 --> 00:12:42.565 Tim's got lots of money to bet on horses, so it's fine. 305 00:12:43.265 --> 00:12:45.365 Uh, what else, what else to me, what else, 306 00:12:45.835 --> 00:12:46.925 what else did you get up to? 307 00:12:46.995 --> 00:12:48.965 What else do you, what else do you doing these days? 308 00:12:49.345 --> 00:12:50.485 Um, what else did I do? 309 00:12:50.985 --> 00:12:52.845 Um, I'm gonna look at my calendar 310 00:12:53.045 --> 00:12:55.555 'cause I don't remember. Uh, nothing. 311 00:12:55.695 --> 00:12:57.275 It was off season. Alex, do nothing, 312 00:12:57.275 --> 00:12:58.355 just been hanging out at home. 313 00:12:58.705 --> 00:13:00.155 Yeah, . Just go to the gym, go 314 00:13:00.155 --> 00:13:01.475 to the gym a lot. Hang out with my baby. 315 00:13:02.015 --> 00:13:03.555 I'm surprised that he wasn't here for the show. 316 00:13:03.635 --> 00:13:05.475 I was kind of half expecting him to be strapped 317 00:13:05.475 --> 00:13:06.595 to the chest, ready to play. 318 00:13:07.255 --> 00:13:11.115 He doesn't, he doesn't need constant attention these days. 319 00:13:11.785 --> 00:13:14.355 He's already outgrown that. I still haven't. 320 00:13:15.355 --> 00:13:17.715 Hmm. Yeah, , we know he's already, 321 00:13:17.715 --> 00:13:18.955 he's already, he's already like his dad. 322 00:13:18.955 --> 00:13:19.955 He just now he already just 323 00:13:19.955 --> 00:13:21.395 dislikes people in general. He's just 324 00:13:21.505 --> 00:13:22.995 Yeah, yeah, yeah. He 325 00:13:22.995 --> 00:13:25.995 Really disliked me when I was over last time. He was not. 326 00:13:26.225 --> 00:13:28.235 Yeah, that was, that was a, was a tough look for James. 327 00:13:28.695 --> 00:13:30.315 He didn't like me the first time either. 328 00:13:30.415 --> 00:13:31.515 He was like okay with me, 329 00:13:31.575 --> 00:13:34.595 but he was questioning second time. 330 00:13:34.595 --> 00:13:35.835 Now, best buds 331 00:13:35.835 --> 00:13:37.275 Duggan made me feel slightly better is 332 00:13:37.275 --> 00:13:38.795 that he still was a little fussy when you took 333 00:13:38.795 --> 00:13:40.635 him one of the times. Not, 334 00:13:40.695 --> 00:13:42.155 Oh, the only, the only time 335 00:13:43.105 --> 00:13:44.955 he's really not fussy is with his mom. 336 00:13:45.255 --> 00:13:47.035 So that's, it's really reassuring. 337 00:13:47.035 --> 00:13:48.315 Well, Becky Becky's got a weird touch 338 00:13:48.315 --> 00:13:49.395 with him too, which is 339 00:13:50.285 --> 00:13:51.285 Concerning. 340 00:13:51.285 --> 00:13:53.635 I mean, I think it's just he, 341 00:13:53.945 --> 00:13:56.395 he's a ladies man on that stage. Yeah, yeah. 342 00:13:56.785 --> 00:13:59.115 He's a ladies man In that stage where he is looking 343 00:13:59.175 --> 00:14:01.795 for, for females. Uh, 344 00:14:01.865 --> 00:14:02.865 Fair. 345 00:14:03.055 --> 00:14:06.315 Um, , Tim, are you, do you do anything cool 346 00:14:06.335 --> 00:14:07.755 or can we just move on? 347 00:14:08.175 --> 00:14:09.715 It was, uh, the girlfriend's birthday, 348 00:14:10.095 --> 00:14:11.675 so we uh, all right. 349 00:14:12.275 --> 00:14:16.115 I I stole your suggestion for Bishop and got her a spa day. 350 00:14:17.175 --> 00:14:19.395 Oh, . Oh yeah. I hope she doesn't listen to that. 351 00:14:22.675 --> 00:14:24.195 I assure you she does not listen to the show. 352 00:14:24.735 --> 00:14:26.235 And then we did a little staycation 353 00:14:26.375 --> 00:14:27.475 in, uh, in Santa Monica. 354 00:14:28.695 --> 00:14:29.905 Nice. I thought, 355 00:14:30.025 --> 00:14:31.105 I thought you were gonna say your house 356 00:14:31.105 --> 00:14:32.585 for a second. I was just gonna 357 00:14:32.585 --> 00:14:33.585 Laugh, my God. 358 00:14:33.585 --> 00:14:34.585 A hotel room in Santa Monica. 359 00:14:35.215 --> 00:14:37.305 Yeah. Yeah. I think you'd call it a staycation when 360 00:14:37.305 --> 00:14:38.505 it's your residence. 361 00:14:39.375 --> 00:14:41.145 What did you, what did you do on the 362 00:14:41.145 --> 00:14:42.385 staycation in Santa Monica? 363 00:14:42.445 --> 00:14:44.905 She wasn't feeling great, so we just watched movies 364 00:14:44.965 --> 00:14:46.705 and had room service and uh, 365 00:14:46.705 --> 00:14:48.705 and yeah, Monse Michelle was awesome, right? 366 00:14:48.915 --> 00:14:52.085 Monse Michelle is I, Alex, do you know what this thing is? 367 00:14:52.605 --> 00:14:54.645 I don't know. I wanna know why you were there though. 368 00:14:54.825 --> 00:14:58.125 So, so I, I forget how much I explained last week 369 00:14:58.325 --> 00:14:59.845 'cause my brain's complete much at this point. 370 00:14:59.905 --> 00:15:01.725 But we're, we were doing this sort of, um, 371 00:15:01.945 --> 00:15:04.525 Dalton family trip through, uh, 372 00:15:04.625 --> 00:15:07.485 France touring all the World War II kind of significant, uh, 373 00:15:07.485 --> 00:15:11.485 places because Becky's grandfather on her dad's side was a 374 00:15:11.485 --> 00:15:13.485 very prominent military man in Canada. 375 00:15:13.665 --> 00:15:16.325 One of the first Canadians on the beach on D-Day at Juno. 376 00:15:17.145 --> 00:15:19.885 And, and so her dad has all these places that he wanted 377 00:15:19.885 --> 00:15:21.245 to take Becky and, and Evan 378 00:15:21.665 --> 00:15:23.805 and I was very fortunate to be able to take along. 379 00:15:24.985 --> 00:15:27.005 So, uh, we did all that stuff 380 00:15:27.005 --> 00:15:30.085 and like, you know, obviously unbelievably powerful things. 381 00:15:30.145 --> 00:15:31.165 We went to Vimy Ridge 382 00:15:31.225 --> 00:15:32.365 and saw, you know, where one 383 00:15:32.365 --> 00:15:33.885 of the big battles was from World War I, 384 00:15:33.885 --> 00:15:36.085 and then went to, uh, Juno Beach 385 00:15:36.145 --> 00:15:37.965 and saw, you know, in Normandy 386 00:15:37.965 --> 00:15:39.805 and saw where her grandfather, you know, 387 00:15:39.805 --> 00:15:42.125 landed his boat on June 6th. 388 00:15:42.225 --> 00:15:46.045 And, um, crazy story about this thing called the Canada 389 00:15:46.215 --> 00:15:49.165 House, which was a home owned by a French family 390 00:15:49.195 --> 00:15:50.685 that the Germans had taken over 391 00:15:51.425 --> 00:15:53.525 and was a kind of significant place. 392 00:15:53.545 --> 00:15:55.525 It was used as a landmark for landing. 393 00:15:55.665 --> 00:15:57.485 And the, the British bombers were told 394 00:15:57.485 --> 00:15:58.965 to like specifically not bomb this house. 395 00:15:59.625 --> 00:16:01.405 And her grandfather's the one that like went in 396 00:16:01.405 --> 00:16:03.725 and threw a grenade into it to get all the Germans out. 397 00:16:04.425 --> 00:16:06.565 And the family now still owns the house. 398 00:16:06.565 --> 00:16:08.565 And it's been, and now it's now called the Canada House 399 00:16:08.565 --> 00:16:11.365 because the Canadians sort of saved it and kept it around. 400 00:16:11.745 --> 00:16:15.165 And this beautiful, lovely woman named Nicole manages the 401 00:16:15.165 --> 00:16:16.205 whole thing and gave us a tour 402 00:16:16.205 --> 00:16:18.005 of the whole thing was very, very, very cool. 403 00:16:18.265 --> 00:16:19.925 Uh, very powerful. Um, 404 00:16:20.425 --> 00:16:22.405 and then, yeah, so just continuing the, the tour 405 00:16:22.405 --> 00:16:24.845 through France just to do cool stuff in France. 406 00:16:24.905 --> 00:16:26.925 We stopped in Mons Saint-Michel, which Tim, 407 00:16:26.925 --> 00:16:28.765 why don't you explain what it is quickly? 408 00:16:29.345 --> 00:16:32.605 Uh, sure. Yeah. Mons Saint-Michel is a medieval abbey 409 00:16:32.605 --> 00:16:36.885 that was built on top of a giant rock in what is a, a field 410 00:16:36.905 --> 00:16:37.925 during low tide. 411 00:16:38.105 --> 00:16:40.965 And during high tide, that rock comes an island. 412 00:16:41.505 --> 00:16:45.925 Uh, supposedly a Benedictine monk was visited by St. 413 00:16:45.925 --> 00:16:46.925 Michael in his sleep 414 00:16:46.945 --> 00:16:48.485 and had a vision that he had to build this. 415 00:16:48.545 --> 00:16:50.925 He ignored the vision, was visited again 416 00:16:50.985 --> 00:16:52.925 and woke up with a burning hole in his head 417 00:16:52.925 --> 00:16:55.365 and was like, okay, I guess I gotta go build that thing now. 418 00:16:55.585 --> 00:16:57.485 So he built it and since the Middle Ages, 419 00:16:57.485 --> 00:16:59.005 it has been a tourist trap. 420 00:16:59.115 --> 00:17:01.365 They built a little town around it. It's an island. 421 00:17:01.625 --> 00:17:04.445 Looked it up last night, has a full-time population 422 00:17:04.545 --> 00:17:05.885 of under 30 people. 423 00:17:06.345 --> 00:17:08.085 Almost every building that's not used 424 00:17:08.085 --> 00:17:12.005 to sell tourist stuff is used as a hotel, uh, except 425 00:17:12.025 --> 00:17:14.685 for the, the Abbey, which is still up top. It's 426 00:17:14.685 --> 00:17:15.685 A picture. 427 00:17:15.685 --> 00:17:17.005 It's un it looks like a movie set. 428 00:17:17.005 --> 00:17:20.565 Like it looks like a fake little world. But it's so cool. 429 00:17:20.575 --> 00:17:21.605 Every, like, like you said, 430 00:17:21.605 --> 00:17:23.765 all these little buildings are all hotel rooms now, 431 00:17:23.785 --> 00:17:26.565 and all the streets are like the most complicated 432 00:17:26.665 --> 00:17:28.405 and like, it's the most convoluted 433 00:17:28.405 --> 00:17:29.765 layout I've ever seen anywhere. 434 00:17:29.825 --> 00:17:31.245 And I love it. Like, there's no rhyme 435 00:17:31.245 --> 00:17:33.085 or reason for anything as cool as 436 00:17:33.095 --> 00:17:34.685 Built the streets in cardia, 437 00:17:35.155 --> 00:17:38.845 Like cooler in some ways less cool in other ways, 438 00:17:39.465 --> 00:17:42.205 but it was, you have to just see it 439 00:17:42.905 --> 00:17:45.005 to believe it. Um, so, okay, 440 00:17:45.645 --> 00:17:47.805 I, I wanna get back very quickly 441 00:17:47.985 --> 00:17:50.565 to the Dalton trip who Yes. 442 00:17:50.625 --> 00:17:54.725 Um, came up with the route and plan and everything. 443 00:17:54.965 --> 00:17:56.645 'cause that sounds pretty awesome. Mark 444 00:17:56.905 --> 00:17:59.085 Fa father-in-law did all the, all like, okay, 445 00:17:59.105 --> 00:18:00.685 he like designed the itinerary, 446 00:18:00.935 --> 00:18:02.485 Becky then like booked everything. 447 00:18:03.105 --> 00:18:04.765 Um, he started, started 448 00:18:04.885 --> 00:18:07.405 Planning it as soon as he finished his speech at James 449 00:18:07.545 --> 00:18:09.445 and Becky's wedding, which was just yesterday, 450 00:18:09.775 --> 00:18:10.775 Right, . 451 00:18:10.775 --> 00:18:12.885 That's right. Yeah. It couldn't have been too long ago. . 452 00:18:13.795 --> 00:18:15.285 Yeah, it didn't take him long to whip it up. 453 00:18:15.705 --> 00:18:17.725 Um, but yeah, no, so yeah, it was great Here. 454 00:18:17.725 --> 00:18:19.885 Say hit Vimy, hit Juno, um, 455 00:18:20.575 --> 00:18:22.045 saved some really cool little place. 456 00:18:22.045 --> 00:18:23.045 Like we kind of moved every night. 457 00:18:23.045 --> 00:18:24.325 That's the only bad thing about a trip like 458 00:18:24.325 --> 00:18:25.325 that is you're moving every night. 459 00:18:25.705 --> 00:18:28.205 And because I'm on the road for a month, I have 460 00:18:28.265 --> 00:18:29.405 so much crap with me. 461 00:18:29.435 --> 00:18:32.685 It's, it's like a lot of stuff and packing and unpacking. 462 00:18:33.145 --> 00:18:35.405 But, um, but no, it was, it was great. 463 00:18:35.465 --> 00:18:38.165 And, and he knows so much about like, the war 464 00:18:38.165 --> 00:18:40.085 and the history and, and especially the family history 465 00:18:40.085 --> 00:18:41.245 and it, so it was, it was awesome man. 466 00:18:41.245 --> 00:18:44.965 It was really educational. Um, so that was, 467 00:18:45.155 --> 00:18:46.205 that was a hard time. 468 00:18:46.265 --> 00:18:49.245 Had some great meals, um, as you do. 469 00:18:49.275 --> 00:18:50.925 I've eaten a lot of mus. What's your fav 470 00:18:50.925 --> 00:18:51.925 Love wolf? 471 00:18:51.925 --> 00:18:53.085 What, what's your favorite French French food? 472 00:18:53.635 --> 00:18:56.285 Dude, I mean, I love, I love a good French steak. Tar tar. 473 00:18:56.285 --> 00:18:58.965 They, they do it the best. Um, mm. 474 00:18:59.115 --> 00:19:01.725 That one's kind of tough to beat there compared to other I 475 00:19:01.725 --> 00:19:03.245 Agree with that. Yeah. Yeah. 476 00:19:03.745 --> 00:19:04.805 So there's a new schedule. 477 00:19:08.695 --> 00:19:10.405 There is a new schedule. Yeah, 478 00:19:10.405 --> 00:19:12.805 There is a new schedule and we should talk about it 479 00:19:12.965 --> 00:19:14.365 'cause there's some really good things on it 480 00:19:14.385 --> 00:19:15.565 and there's some, there's some points 481 00:19:15.565 --> 00:19:17.285 that I wanna address on it too. Okay. 482 00:19:17.505 --> 00:19:19.645 But You, you, you start, you tell me what you think. 483 00:19:20.115 --> 00:19:24.445 What do I think? I think it's, uh, it's anti-man . 484 00:19:24.795 --> 00:19:26.005 It's, it's not, he's speechless. 485 00:19:26.035 --> 00:19:27.925 It's not, it's not, um, 486 00:19:28.805 --> 00:19:30.335 there's nothing wrong with the schedule. 487 00:19:30.565 --> 00:19:34.175 There's nothing I, I think in, in a lot of ways there's, uh, 488 00:19:34.385 --> 00:19:36.175 quite an improvement over last year. 489 00:19:37.075 --> 00:19:38.535 What's an Improvement you over last year? 490 00:19:38.645 --> 00:19:40.935 I'll say in all the ways it's an improvement over last year. 491 00:19:40.935 --> 00:19:42.815 Okay. Yeah. Um, you're, 492 00:19:42.815 --> 00:19:46.255 you're starting the season off without a massive gap. 493 00:19:46.635 --> 00:19:48.375 Um, yes, you have a big gap in April, 494 00:19:48.395 --> 00:19:50.655 but it's, it's leading into the 500. 495 00:19:50.795 --> 00:19:53.775 So I think that's actually gonna be pretty nice 496 00:19:53.795 --> 00:19:56.215 to only have one, one race there. 497 00:19:56.515 --> 00:19:57.975 Um, a lot of teams will test 498 00:19:58.555 --> 00:20:00.935 use their one test day in April as well. 499 00:20:01.115 --> 00:20:03.855 We also have an indie open test, which is two days in April. 500 00:20:03.915 --> 00:20:07.015 So that's, that time will get filled up pretty easily. 501 00:20:07.435 --> 00:20:10.095 Um, so I don't mind that at all. 502 00:20:10.695 --> 00:20:14.015 I like how the summer is more spread out, you know, there's, 503 00:20:14.865 --> 00:20:16.455 there, I think there's a triple header. 504 00:20:17.055 --> 00:20:18.455 I, I might maybe not, 505 00:20:18.515 --> 00:20:21.375 but like, it's, it's usually, there's usually a weekend off. 506 00:20:21.715 --> 00:20:24.295 Um, even if it's a double header, there's then a weekend off 507 00:20:24.835 --> 00:20:26.655 and then there's not another double header. 508 00:20:26.655 --> 00:20:28.175 So it's, it's more spread out. 509 00:20:28.175 --> 00:20:29.815 It's easier for, for everyone. 510 00:20:30.555 --> 00:20:33.895 Um, not only from a, just a travel standpoint, 511 00:20:34.075 --> 00:20:36.055 but also the big thing for us last year 512 00:20:36.255 --> 00:20:39.415 that we really struggled with is when there's 513 00:20:39.415 --> 00:20:41.535 that many races stacked on top of each other. 514 00:20:42.195 --> 00:20:43.615 And, and we talked about this on the show, 515 00:20:43.615 --> 00:20:44.735 development's really hard 516 00:20:44.935 --> 00:20:46.295 'cause you're just trying to survive getting 517 00:20:46.295 --> 00:20:47.380 from one race to the next. 518 00:20:47.945 --> 00:20:49.845 Um, and you can't really improve upon things. 519 00:20:50.185 --> 00:20:53.805 So, um, that part's all very good. 520 00:20:54.185 --> 00:20:56.805 Um, I, I 521 00:20:57.705 --> 00:21:01.205 am super pumped about going back to Phoenix. 522 00:21:01.565 --> 00:21:05.045 I think we, we've, we've all saw the positivity 523 00:21:06.025 --> 00:21:08.645 of doing a double header at IMS with Cup. 524 00:21:08.865 --> 00:21:12.085 So I think that this is gonna be a win-win for everyone. 525 00:21:12.085 --> 00:21:14.245 Obviously we've known about Arlington, so are you Yes. 526 00:21:14.625 --> 00:21:16.965 Are you, are you more excited about the fact 527 00:21:16.965 --> 00:21:18.005 that it's a double header or 528 00:21:18.005 --> 00:21:19.645 the fact that we're going back to Phoenix? I 529 00:21:19.645 --> 00:21:22.005 Would probably say 70 30 more excited. 530 00:21:22.005 --> 00:21:23.645 It's a double header. 30 Yeah. 531 00:21:23.645 --> 00:21:26.005 Percent excited to go back to Phoenix. Um, yeah. 532 00:21:26.085 --> 00:21:27.765 'cause of the Applebee's, right? Well 533 00:21:27.765 --> 00:21:29.765 obviously , but you, 534 00:21:29.765 --> 00:21:32.125 Arizona doesn't know what's coming next April , 535 00:21:33.425 --> 00:21:34.605 Um, I'm back. 536 00:21:34.645 --> 00:21:37.045 I also just that that's such a nice place 537 00:21:37.045 --> 00:21:38.685 to go in springtime. 538 00:21:39.425 --> 00:21:42.285 Um, Arlington we know about, 539 00:21:43.265 --> 00:21:45.205 and Markham I'm really excited about 540 00:21:45.205 --> 00:21:49.725 because I personally hated the Toronto layout, 541 00:21:50.145 --> 00:21:52.605 but I love Toronto as a, as a city. 542 00:21:53.345 --> 00:21:55.965 Um, so I'm really glad that we're still going there. 543 00:21:55.965 --> 00:21:57.805 We're only 40 minutes outside of downtown. 544 00:21:58.325 --> 00:21:59.925 I know firsthand 545 00:21:59.955 --> 00:22:02.485 what Markham is like from a community in a city, 546 00:22:02.665 --> 00:22:05.325 and I've heard firsthand about the amount of money 547 00:22:05.345 --> 00:22:07.125 and capital they're putting into that event. 548 00:22:07.125 --> 00:22:10.045 So I think it's gonna actually gonna be a badass racetrack. 549 00:22:10.705 --> 00:22:15.085 And there's a lot of, of horsepower, forgive the, the, 550 00:22:15.105 --> 00:22:17.965 the pun behind, behind that event. 551 00:22:18.305 --> 00:22:21.485 So I'm pumped about that. The only thing I'm mad about, 552 00:22:21.505 --> 00:22:24.925 and I think it'll probably be the same for you James, is 553 00:22:25.135 --> 00:22:26.805 where the finale's at kind 554 00:22:26.805 --> 00:22:27.885 Of Oh, that's actually not sucks. 555 00:22:27.885 --> 00:22:30.085 What I was gonna Well, okay, I'll, 556 00:22:30.205 --> 00:22:31.925 I I was we'll get to that. 557 00:22:32.005 --> 00:22:32.965 I was gonna say the biggest 558 00:22:32.965 --> 00:22:35.285 disappointment for me was no Mexico. Um, 559 00:22:35.945 --> 00:22:37.645 Oh, well. So I guess, yeah, 560 00:22:38.315 --> 00:22:39.315 Yeah, yeah. 561 00:22:39.425 --> 00:22:41.725 Um, that's just, we weren't, you know, I think 562 00:22:41.905 --> 00:22:43.165 We didn't find that out on the schedule. 563 00:22:43.175 --> 00:22:44.485 Elise though we've known about that. 564 00:22:44.795 --> 00:22:47.485 Yeah, I know, but not for that. 565 00:22:47.685 --> 00:22:48.765 I haven't known for that long. I, 566 00:22:48.885 --> 00:22:51.205 I kept hearing they were still hammering Oh. 567 00:22:51.225 --> 00:22:53.885 Trying to get it to happen until fairly recently. 568 00:22:54.195 --> 00:22:56.725 It's, I I, I was frustrated just 569 00:22:56.725 --> 00:22:58.005 because we've talked about it so much 570 00:22:58.145 --> 00:22:59.845 and it would obviously be a massive event 571 00:23:00.065 --> 00:23:02.325 and you know, pat was a massive draw there 572 00:23:02.345 --> 00:23:03.805 and it would be great and all these things. 573 00:23:03.905 --> 00:23:05.525 And then I got really mad when , 574 00:23:06.105 --> 00:23:09.045 or really frustrated when I think it was Nathan Brown 575 00:23:10.215 --> 00:23:12.145 tweeted, or like retweeted an article 576 00:23:13.135 --> 00:23:15.825 that someone had written, I dunno if it was the Indie star 577 00:23:15.825 --> 00:23:17.945 or not, this would've been before he was covering IndyCar 578 00:23:18.595 --> 00:23:21.425 about Mark Miles saying, you know, 579 00:23:21.425 --> 00:23:24.345 they're very optimistic about Mexico City being on the 580 00:23:24.505 --> 00:23:27.745 calendar and next year and next year was was 2016. 581 00:23:29.175 --> 00:23:30.355 And it's like, man, have, 582 00:23:30.355 --> 00:23:32.435 we've really been having this conversation for, 583 00:23:32.605 --> 00:23:35.715 we've really been unable to make this happen for that long, 584 00:23:36.495 --> 00:23:38.275 but, well there's obviously 585 00:23:38.445 --> 00:23:40.115 Still still a less amount 586 00:23:40.115 --> 00:23:41.355 of time than we've been trying to get a new 587 00:23:41.375 --> 00:23:42.375 car. , 588 00:23:43.255 --> 00:23:46.285 touche. She, and look, I get it. 589 00:23:46.285 --> 00:23:47.605 There's, there's so much 590 00:23:47.605 --> 00:23:49.045 that goes into making these things happen. 591 00:23:49.315 --> 00:23:51.045 It's not just as easy as that. 592 00:23:51.105 --> 00:23:52.245 And I know they've been trying, 593 00:23:52.745 --> 00:23:55.325 but that doesn't, you know, it's still, it's, it is tough. 594 00:23:55.345 --> 00:23:58.285 It is tough to like feel like you got so close so many times 595 00:23:58.425 --> 00:23:59.965 and not have it, so they say like, ah, 596 00:23:59.965 --> 00:24:01.085 but we're really positive for 27. 597 00:24:01.505 --> 00:24:03.525 I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna care anymore. 598 00:24:03.665 --> 00:24:04.805 I'm not gonna hold my breath because, 599 00:24:04.985 --> 00:24:06.245 and again, that's not a shot at them. 600 00:24:06.725 --> 00:24:08.245 Politics, money, all these things 601 00:24:08.245 --> 00:24:09.605 that come into these decisions and, 602 00:24:09.605 --> 00:24:11.885 and these outcomes have to be taken into account. 603 00:24:11.965 --> 00:24:13.405 I don't know the ins and outs, I don't care. 604 00:24:13.885 --> 00:24:15.885 I, I hope it happens, but I'm not gonna hold my breath. 605 00:24:15.945 --> 00:24:18.005 I'm not gonna assume what's happening because these things 606 00:24:18.285 --> 00:24:19.925 apparently are hard to happen in terms of the finale. 607 00:24:20.665 --> 00:24:22.885 Yes and no. 608 00:24:24.335 --> 00:24:27.475 So there's a lot obviously of, of Chatter online about 609 00:24:28.215 --> 00:24:30.435 the finale going back to Laguna, which is something 610 00:24:30.435 --> 00:24:32.435 that we actively got away from in the past, 611 00:24:33.085 --> 00:24:35.355 which I do think was a good thing to do 612 00:24:35.385 --> 00:24:38.115 because the Laguna is one of my favorite places 613 00:24:38.175 --> 00:24:39.235 to go drive a race car. 614 00:24:39.295 --> 00:24:41.395 And it's, and one of my favorite parts 615 00:24:41.395 --> 00:24:42.915 of the country and all those things. 616 00:24:43.065 --> 00:24:45.235 It's not always a particularly exciting race. 617 00:24:46.105 --> 00:24:48.235 It's not the most attended event that we have 618 00:24:48.695 --> 00:24:50.075 by a factor of all. 619 00:24:50.455 --> 00:24:54.035 So it's not the best showcase for a a championship showdown. 620 00:24:54.985 --> 00:24:58.715 That said, the reason that Nashville 621 00:24:58.815 --> 00:25:03.395 and Laguna sort of swapped right, was the lead in to 622 00:25:03.395 --> 00:25:05.035 that date that is now Nashville, 623 00:25:05.035 --> 00:25:08.155 that was Laguna is gonna be the World Cup final. 624 00:25:09.015 --> 00:25:13.755 And in, in TV terms, that's like, it's winning the lottery. 625 00:25:14.095 --> 00:25:17.795 You've got the biggest multi-day sporting event on 626 00:25:17.795 --> 00:25:18.915 earth, right? 627 00:25:19.055 --> 00:25:20.955 The finals for the World Cup 628 00:25:21.735 --> 00:25:26.075 and the lead in that, that's a lead in for our final race. 629 00:25:26.095 --> 00:25:27.755 So like you're watching the finals of the World Cup, 630 00:25:27.775 --> 00:25:29.915 the next thing coming up is IndyCar Nashville. 631 00:25:30.255 --> 00:25:32.795 And when you, when you are potentially exposing the sport 632 00:25:32.935 --> 00:25:36.995 to millions, millions more people for the first time, 633 00:25:37.695 --> 00:25:39.355 you don't want it to be Laguna Sega. 634 00:25:39.415 --> 00:25:41.355 And that's not a shot at Laguna. That's just a fact. 635 00:25:41.615 --> 00:25:44.075 And you look at the Nashville race, which we haven't covered 636 00:25:44.075 --> 00:25:46.875 yet, but we will eventually, um, it, 637 00:25:46.875 --> 00:25:48.435 it was an absolute barn burner. 638 00:25:48.435 --> 00:25:50.235 It was a banger, Alex, 639 00:25:50.835 --> 00:25:51.835 A hundred percent agree. 640 00:25:52.155 --> 00:25:53.915 I I I, you're right. 641 00:25:54.185 --> 00:25:57.075 It's gonna be amazing the fact that we have the lead in 642 00:25:57.415 --> 00:26:01.595 and it's going to in theory, expose 643 00:26:02.255 --> 00:26:04.755 our sport to people that have never even heard of it. 644 00:26:05.135 --> 00:26:08.435 So that's awesome. There are so many other tracks 645 00:26:08.975 --> 00:26:11.835 on the Oval package calendar that we go to 646 00:26:12.745 --> 00:26:14.115 that you can end the season at. 647 00:26:15.135 --> 00:26:18.745 What there's no reason you can't by going to Laguna, 648 00:26:18.745 --> 00:26:21.145 you're ending it on, uh, a road course, 649 00:26:21.275 --> 00:26:24.265 which predominantly is a pretty lousy show. 650 00:26:24.445 --> 00:26:28.145 As you said, it's fairly under attended on television. 651 00:26:28.335 --> 00:26:32.425 It's, it's California, so it doesn't, there's not a lot 652 00:26:32.425 --> 00:26:35.505 of beauty to it in the sense that, you know, a lot of it's 653 00:26:36.475 --> 00:26:39.025 beige and, and it doesn't pop on on tv. 654 00:26:40.245 --> 00:26:43.575 And the biggest one for me is you're not having the majority 655 00:26:43.575 --> 00:26:46.615 of our fan base within driving distance to the event. 656 00:26:47.675 --> 00:26:51.695 And so when you look at places that you can go that de noval 657 00:26:51.725 --> 00:26:53.375 that you can have, that St. 658 00:26:53.375 --> 00:26:56.295 Louis was a great race, you know that you have a promoter 659 00:26:56.295 --> 00:26:59.575 that goes above and beyond to make it a show 660 00:27:00.045 --> 00:27:02.175 that makes it some sort of spectacle. 661 00:27:02.195 --> 00:27:03.975 At least if it's just visuals, right? 662 00:27:04.175 --> 00:27:08.255 I mean, lighting on fire looked cool. 663 00:27:08.255 --> 00:27:10.295 Like some of the coolest pictures we've had outta 664 00:27:10.295 --> 00:27:11.335 the year came from Gateway. 665 00:27:12.035 --> 00:27:14.255 It wasn't just lighting, it was blowing up. 666 00:27:14.285 --> 00:27:16.735 Like it was, it was unbelievable. Yeah, 667 00:27:16.735 --> 00:27:17.735 Sure. 668 00:27:17.735 --> 00:27:20.855 incredible, right? Or you have Milwaukee, 669 00:27:20.905 --> 00:27:24.255 which now two years in a row has produced some 670 00:27:24.255 --> 00:27:25.775 of the best oval racing 671 00:27:26.045 --> 00:27:28.215 that we have seen in IndyCar in the past decade. 672 00:27:29.115 --> 00:27:32.255 So why are those two, why are those two not the place 673 00:27:32.255 --> 00:27:33.575 where you ended it, I guess is my question? 674 00:27:33.575 --> 00:27:34.775 Okay. I understand why, why? 675 00:27:34.775 --> 00:27:35.895 Well, you can't do Nashville, but, 676 00:27:35.915 --> 00:27:37.735 So I'm, I'm gonna assume that 677 00:27:38.695 --> 00:27:40.335 Milwaukee is really tied to that date. 678 00:27:40.535 --> 00:27:42.095 'cause it's tied into the Milwaukee state fair. 679 00:27:42.095 --> 00:27:43.135 And that was part of the reason 680 00:27:43.285 --> 00:27:45.295 that it works when we're going back, 681 00:27:45.295 --> 00:27:46.735 like it's right off the tail end. 682 00:27:46.755 --> 00:27:51.095 So all that like fan midway area or whatever is open 683 00:27:51.195 --> 00:27:52.415 and usable I think. 684 00:27:52.555 --> 00:27:54.575 So I think that's kind of what would would, um, 685 00:27:54.725 --> 00:27:57.295 take Milwaukee outta the equation gateways. 686 00:27:57.295 --> 00:27:58.895 That's a good question. That's a good one. 687 00:27:58.955 --> 00:28:00.495 You know, I don't know when their cup date is. 688 00:28:00.615 --> 00:28:02.895 I don't know if that moves us closer to 689 00:28:03.115 --> 00:28:04.775 or further from the cup date. 690 00:28:04.775 --> 00:28:05.935 If it was further from the cup 691 00:28:05.935 --> 00:28:07.015 date, that might even be better. 692 00:28:07.875 --> 00:28:10.775 Um, I don't know, but I, I think it was 693 00:28:10.775 --> 00:28:13.135 Just, I guess, I guess Milwaukee, Milwaukee is one week 694 00:28:13.155 --> 00:28:17.275 before Laguna, so that's where I'm annoyed. 695 00:28:17.305 --> 00:28:19.035 It's our penultimate race races. 696 00:28:19.095 --> 00:28:21.195 So we could have, we could have flipped the two. And 697 00:28:21.975 --> 00:28:23.035 Why are you not flipping the two? 698 00:28:23.985 --> 00:28:25.035 Like I understand your ways 699 00:28:25.035 --> 00:28:28.275 because Yeah, I'm, I I mean you would James. 700 00:28:28.975 --> 00:28:30.515 You would hope. Yes. You would hope. And that's 701 00:28:30.515 --> 00:28:31.515 All I'm Gonna say. 702 00:28:31.515 --> 00:28:32.755 Yes. You would hope there's a reason We'll look into that. 703 00:28:33.115 --> 00:28:34.275 'cause that's a, that's a good point. We're, 704 00:28:34.275 --> 00:28:36.635 we're like media now, so we're gonna go like 705 00:28:37.195 --> 00:28:40.235 investigatively report on this particular topic. 706 00:28:40.775 --> 00:28:42.235 You mentioned Markham, which I don 707 00:28:42.235 --> 00:28:43.235 Know who that we is. 708 00:28:43.355 --> 00:28:44.835 'cause I can guarantee I'm not doing it 709 00:28:44.835 --> 00:28:46.115 and I doubt Alex is doing it. . 710 00:28:46.665 --> 00:28:47.665 Well I'm not doing it by myself, 711 00:28:48.455 --> 00:28:50.995 So Alright guys, we're not gonna look at turns. 712 00:28:51.045 --> 00:28:52.035 We're just gonna assume we're not 713 00:28:52.035 --> 00:28:53.075 there wasn't really a reason. 714 00:28:53.145 --> 00:28:55.715 Yeah. , um, Alex Dam, move 715 00:28:55.715 --> 00:28:56.715 Right along. 716 00:28:56.715 --> 00:28:57.715 Just send Mark Miles to us again 717 00:28:57.735 --> 00:28:59.115 and then we'll, we'll ask him. 718 00:28:59.135 --> 00:29:00.635 That's that's about the level 719 00:29:00.775 --> 00:29:02.395 of work we're willing to do. Yeah. Just 720 00:29:02.395 --> 00:29:03.395 Text True too. 721 00:29:03.395 --> 00:29:04.675 We're not gonna yeah, just, just text us. 722 00:29:04.975 --> 00:29:06.435 Um, and we'll figure that out. 723 00:29:06.435 --> 00:29:08.035 We'll, we, we'll we'll translate that to the people. 724 00:29:08.175 --> 00:29:11.075 No dude, Markum, here's what's, here's what's cool we have, 725 00:29:12.175 --> 00:29:14.235 so like Toronto I think is pretty safe to say. 726 00:29:14.485 --> 00:29:15.595 Again, I I love it. 727 00:29:15.945 --> 00:29:17.715 It's, it's, it's, that track was 728 00:29:17.715 --> 00:29:19.835 where I grew up loving IndyCar. 729 00:29:19.835 --> 00:29:21.835 That's what made me fall in love with IndyCar racing. 730 00:29:22.775 --> 00:29:25.595 But it was objectively like the worst track on the calendar 731 00:29:25.845 --> 00:29:27.075 since 2016 732 00:29:27.135 --> 00:29:28.915 or whatever when we made all the changes, it was way better 733 00:29:28.915 --> 00:29:31.275 before a hundred percent without a doubt. 734 00:29:31.555 --> 00:29:35.115 I mean, Detroit, Toronto, same, same, 735 00:29:35.115 --> 00:29:36.195 different, but still same. 736 00:29:36.635 --> 00:29:39.755 I think most people would still choose Detroit, but yes. 737 00:29:40.655 --> 00:29:44.615 As a racetrack. Yeah. Um, yeah, so 738 00:29:46.395 --> 00:29:51.295 it sucks to leave, but the commitment from 739 00:29:51.435 --> 00:29:55.455 the city of Markham to bringing IndyCar to that city 740 00:29:55.595 --> 00:29:58.815 and making it awesome is like, it's the kind of stuff 741 00:29:58.815 --> 00:30:02.175 that we've been hoping for and wishing for 742 00:30:02.355 --> 00:30:03.775 and wanting for so long. 743 00:30:04.045 --> 00:30:06.455 Like, you look at what's happening in Arlington, right? 744 00:30:06.455 --> 00:30:07.975 In Arlington, we've got a great partner 745 00:30:08.275 --> 00:30:11.615 or partners in, you know, the, the Cowboys 746 00:30:11.615 --> 00:30:14.695 and the who plays that, 747 00:30:14.695 --> 00:30:18.455 the Rangers whatever, baseball. 748 00:30:19.035 --> 00:30:23.295 Um, and so, you know, they're putting in a ton of money. 749 00:30:23.365 --> 00:30:26.335 They, they're kind of taking the Miami F1 template 750 00:30:26.395 --> 00:30:27.615 and applying it there. 751 00:30:27.975 --> 00:30:30.815 Everything's gonna be new, everything's gonna be paved, 752 00:30:30.815 --> 00:30:32.335 everything's gonna be modern, whatever 753 00:30:33.285 --> 00:30:35.495 that is gonna set the standard for street course 754 00:30:36.495 --> 00:30:37.855 circuits in IndyCar. 755 00:30:38.515 --> 00:30:41.015 We now have markum stepping up to the plate 756 00:30:41.235 --> 00:30:44.055 and trying to basically do the same thing right off the bat 757 00:30:44.055 --> 00:30:45.415 without the benefit of the Dallas 758 00:30:45.605 --> 00:30:47.055 Cowboys, you know, helping it out. 759 00:30:47.355 --> 00:30:49.415 But the, the money they're gonna spend on infrastructure, 760 00:30:50.095 --> 00:30:50.815 I think it's gonna be the 761 00:30:50.815 --> 00:30:51.855 nicest street course that we go to. 762 00:30:51.855 --> 00:30:53.855 Like they're gonna pave the whole thing from what I hear. 763 00:30:54.275 --> 00:30:57.095 And it's gonna be, you know, again, a lot of new stuff. 764 00:30:57.355 --> 00:31:00.535 Uh, look, first years temporary circuits are always a bit 765 00:31:00.535 --> 00:31:02.255 of a, a question mark. 766 00:31:02.255 --> 00:31:05.055 There's always some, some unforeseen issues. 767 00:31:05.795 --> 00:31:09.695 But we're very quickly now like raising the 768 00:31:11.255 --> 00:31:13.315 bar and the level of expectation 769 00:31:13.315 --> 00:31:18.235 for the street circuit in IndyCar is, and races like Detroit 770 00:31:18.895 --> 00:31:23.235 and Long Beach, et cetera, are gonna have to like kind 771 00:31:23.235 --> 00:31:24.955 of step up at some point, I think to, 772 00:31:25.095 --> 00:31:26.355 to start to match some of this. 773 00:31:26.855 --> 00:31:28.995 Um, which I think is awesome. 774 00:31:29.115 --> 00:31:30.955 I think it's great for the sport to see that kind 775 00:31:30.955 --> 00:31:33.435 of investment coming from multiple new venues. 776 00:31:34.155 --> 00:31:36.635 Everyone's talking about this potential race in DC 777 00:31:37.155 --> 00:31:38.315 I think that's a real thing. 778 00:31:38.345 --> 00:31:39.555 It's obviously not coming next year, 779 00:31:39.555 --> 00:31:40.715 but I think it's a real thing 780 00:31:41.255 --> 00:31:44.555 that's not gonna be done without, you know, 781 00:31:44.555 --> 00:31:46.515 the highest level of everything put into it. 782 00:31:47.135 --> 00:31:49.275 So it's really, it is really great to see. 783 00:31:49.575 --> 00:31:52.835 And I think at the end of the day, you can't 784 00:31:53.905 --> 00:31:55.875 make the calendar everything you want it 785 00:31:55.875 --> 00:31:57.075 to be in one year, right? 786 00:31:57.075 --> 00:31:58.635 This is a building process guys. 787 00:31:58.705 --> 00:31:59.715 It's gonna take a minute, 788 00:31:59.895 --> 00:32:02.395 but we've hit some pretty big goals I think 789 00:32:02.415 --> 00:32:03.595 for the 26th calendar. 790 00:32:04.475 --> 00:32:07.195 I heard a lot of people talk about the Glen, uh, 791 00:32:07.255 --> 00:32:08.595 and that we should have gone to the Glen 792 00:32:08.595 --> 00:32:10.235 because they lost a NASCAR date 793 00:32:10.235 --> 00:32:12.275 and there's an open weekend and all this stuff. 794 00:32:12.715 --> 00:32:14.195 I don't disagree, but again, 795 00:32:14.195 --> 00:32:16.435 unless someone's gonna pay to promote the hell out of it, 796 00:32:16.995 --> 00:32:17.955 I dunno if anyone's gonna go 797 00:32:17.955 --> 00:32:19.915 because we've just tried it before. 798 00:32:20.195 --> 00:32:21.195 I would love it to work. I would 799 00:32:21.195 --> 00:32:22.115 love to go back to the Glen. 800 00:32:22.495 --> 00:32:23.795 You would love to go back to the Glen. 801 00:32:23.985 --> 00:32:25.955 Yeah, I mean, I, here, here's 802 00:32:28.525 --> 00:32:32.665 why I, I'm a little, I hear what you're saying in terms 803 00:32:32.665 --> 00:32:34.505 of Glenn and in terms of like, okay, if, 804 00:32:34.505 --> 00:32:36.545 unless there's gonna be someone that pays to promote it, 805 00:32:37.175 --> 00:32:39.325 like it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. 806 00:32:39.745 --> 00:32:42.725 But then you look at, you look at, I, I hate 807 00:32:42.725 --> 00:32:44.445 that we do this all the time, but it's reality. 808 00:32:44.465 --> 00:32:47.125 You look at Portland and you look at mid Ohio, right? 809 00:32:47.585 --> 00:32:49.645 And aside from them being, well, 810 00:32:49.735 --> 00:32:53.045 aside from mid Ohio being a legacy IndyCar race, 811 00:32:53.515 --> 00:32:55.845 there's not a whole lot of 812 00:32:58.235 --> 00:32:59.695 reason to go to that event. 813 00:33:00.005 --> 00:33:01.295 Same thing with Portland, right? 814 00:33:01.295 --> 00:33:03.215 Whereas Watkins Glen, 815 00:33:03.235 --> 00:33:06.655 at least you are in a different region of the nation. 816 00:33:08.275 --> 00:33:10.075 I don't really think many people are paying 817 00:33:10.335 --> 00:33:12.835 to promote Portland either yet we continue going there. 818 00:33:12.975 --> 00:33:15.755 So that argument doesn't really match for me. 819 00:33:15.995 --> 00:33:18.875 And at least again, Watkins Glen visually is 820 00:33:18.875 --> 00:33:19.995 impressive visually. 821 00:33:20.225 --> 00:33:22.355 It's, it's cool to look at on tv. 822 00:33:22.825 --> 00:33:25.155 It's got a lot of the Road America essence to it. 823 00:33:25.695 --> 00:33:30.275 Um, so I think that while people are suggesting, oh, 824 00:33:30.275 --> 00:33:31.595 we should go to Watkins Glen instead of go 825 00:33:31.595 --> 00:33:33.955 to another parking lot race in Markham, I disagree with 826 00:33:33.955 --> 00:33:36.355 that, but the logic of, oh, we should go 827 00:33:36.355 --> 00:33:38.275 to Watkins Glen instead of continuing to go back 828 00:33:38.275 --> 00:33:40.155 to Portland, which doesn't really work. 829 00:33:40.585 --> 00:33:43.155 Like, I think there is a little bit of logic to that. 830 00:33:43.415 --> 00:33:46.195 Um, so I would love to see really 831 00:33:46.335 --> 00:33:48.275 beyond anything, regardless of where we go. 832 00:33:48.275 --> 00:33:50.675 And, and you kind of touched on it, just the quality 833 00:33:50.735 --> 00:33:53.995 of the events that we do go to be elevated. 834 00:33:54.255 --> 00:33:56.275 And, and I think that this calendar 835 00:33:56.975 --> 00:33:59.075 is a very big step in that direction, right? 836 00:33:59.075 --> 00:34:01.395 Because we've seen what Milwaukee has accomplished, 837 00:34:01.905 --> 00:34:04.915 obviously Gateway is, is having somewhat of a resurgence. 838 00:34:05.335 --> 00:34:08.195 You've got the, the NASCAR buy-in at Phoenix, 839 00:34:08.205 --> 00:34:09.755 which is obviously gonna be a huge event. 840 00:34:10.105 --> 00:34:13.875 Arlington you touched on huge, um, St. 841 00:34:13.875 --> 00:34:16.515 Pete's always huge Long Beach with ims a weekend huge, 842 00:34:17.215 --> 00:34:18.395 uh, Markham huge. 843 00:34:18.655 --> 00:34:20.835 And then you add in the month of May, you're at, 844 00:34:20.835 --> 00:34:22.075 you're at nine races, 845 00:34:22.175 --> 00:34:24.395 you're at more than half the calendar right there 846 00:34:24.975 --> 00:34:26.595 of, of knockout events. 847 00:34:26.615 --> 00:34:28.515 Of events that like if people are asking me 848 00:34:28.585 --> 00:34:30.235 what should I go to to check out? 849 00:34:30.515 --> 00:34:31.555 I can give you nine of them. 850 00:34:32.015 --> 00:34:34.635 It wasn't many years ago where it was like two 851 00:34:34.865 --> 00:34:35.875 outside the 500 852 00:34:36.485 --> 00:34:37.675 Indie Long Beach St. 853 00:34:37.675 --> 00:34:40.885 Pete. That's about it. . Yeah. 854 00:34:41.595 --> 00:34:43.365 Yeah. Oh, Toronto's a cool city, 855 00:34:43.385 --> 00:34:45.405 but don't really go to the race. Like, yeah, yeah, 856 00:34:45.405 --> 00:34:46.405 Yeah. 857 00:34:46.405 --> 00:34:46.685 Just come on Sunday afternoon. 858 00:34:47.265 --> 00:34:50.525 Um, the, the one that confuses me about 859 00:34:50.525 --> 00:34:53.165 that whole glen scenario is we still have a double header. 860 00:34:53.165 --> 00:34:54.685 So like, so we've lost Iowa. 861 00:34:54.895 --> 00:34:56.245 Let's, we we didn't touch on that. 862 00:34:56.245 --> 00:34:57.565 We've lost Iowa off the calendar. 863 00:34:58.195 --> 00:35:00.325 Made that track rest in peace for IndyCar. 864 00:35:00.665 --> 00:35:02.365 It is tough, man, because that place used 865 00:35:02.365 --> 00:35:04.725 to just have some incredible, unbelievable races 866 00:35:05.265 --> 00:35:06.485 and it's such a shame, but 867 00:35:06.745 --> 00:35:07.745 To it. 868 00:35:07.745 --> 00:35:09.085 But how here, how lucky are we that we, we found a, 869 00:35:09.285 --> 00:35:11.845 a really a plug and play re replacement with Milwaukee? 870 00:35:12.595 --> 00:35:14.915 A hundred percent. So lucky. So lucky. Yeah. 871 00:35:15.495 --> 00:35:18.075 And you know, we went from a double header there two years 872 00:35:18.135 --> 00:35:20.475 ago to no races this year. 873 00:35:20.785 --> 00:35:21.995 Wait, was there a double header this year? 874 00:35:22.175 --> 00:35:23.675 It was, yeah, it was a double header this year. Wow. 875 00:35:24.855 --> 00:35:27.315 It was a double header this year to no races. 876 00:35:27.895 --> 00:35:29.515 But we do still have a double header, 877 00:35:29.515 --> 00:35:30.795 which we've talked about a lot. 878 00:35:30.995 --> 00:35:33.115 I don't like, I don't believe in, I don't think 879 00:35:33.825 --> 00:35:35.155 it's the right way to go racing 880 00:35:35.535 --> 00:35:37.285 and at this point it's not necessary. 881 00:35:37.345 --> 00:35:39.485 So like we should have taken one of those Milwaukee dates 882 00:35:39.505 --> 00:35:42.175 and gone to Watkins roll the dice. 883 00:35:42.755 --> 00:35:45.175 I'm very, I'm very, I'm very curious if, 884 00:35:45.655 --> 00:35:47.815 'cause I, I had heard Doubleheaders were a thing of the past 885 00:35:48.455 --> 00:35:49.535 starting in 2026. 886 00:35:49.895 --> 00:35:53.255 I wonder if the Mexico thing left them scrambling. 887 00:35:53.355 --> 00:35:54.815 Oh, for sure. Make us race. 888 00:35:55.235 --> 00:35:57.295 Oh, I, I I guarantee that's what happened. 889 00:35:57.655 --> 00:35:59.335 I guarantee that's what happened. You know, it's, 890 00:35:59.335 --> 00:36:02.135 it's a Penske owned race so they can just slap on an extra 891 00:36:02.425 --> 00:36:04.335 extra race and, and off you go. 892 00:36:04.715 --> 00:36:07.175 Um, I imagine that was very much a contingency plan. 893 00:36:07.515 --> 00:36:09.815 And again, because of Mexico fell apart as late as it did. 894 00:36:10.195 --> 00:36:12.215 That's why you can't just pivot, be like, okay, 895 00:36:12.215 --> 00:36:13.895 well now let's start trying to put together a 896 00:36:14.095 --> 00:36:15.215 race at Watkins. 897 00:36:15.215 --> 00:36:17.415 It was probably too late to even have that conversation. 898 00:36:17.475 --> 00:36:19.895 So it's like, all right, I'm walk you with double header 899 00:36:20.235 --> 00:36:22.935 and look man, if, if Watkins doesn't have their cup race 900 00:36:23.075 --> 00:36:25.815 or their cup date in the future moving forward, 901 00:36:25.825 --> 00:36:27.535 maybe there is an avenue to explore there. 902 00:36:27.535 --> 00:36:29.335 But all this stuff probably just came together a little bit 903 00:36:29.335 --> 00:36:31.575 too late, um, for it to be real 904 00:36:31.575 --> 00:36:32.575 Realistic. 905 00:36:32.575 --> 00:36:34.615 So you being, you being the fan of the sport 906 00:36:34.755 --> 00:36:38.255 and the student of the sport as you are, if 907 00:36:39.365 --> 00:36:41.715 let's say Mexico City is never gonna happen unfortunately 908 00:36:41.735 --> 00:36:42.755 for whatever reason, right? 909 00:36:43.215 --> 00:36:45.835 And we're done with Doubleheaders. So you gotta add a race. 910 00:36:46.535 --> 00:36:48.835 Are you of the, the opinion that we should be going 911 00:36:48.835 --> 00:36:52.835 to a road course versus bring back another oval, a Richmond 912 00:36:52.835 --> 00:36:56.595 to Pocono or try and fire in another street race? 913 00:36:56.595 --> 00:36:59.555 Like what, what does a calendar need from your standpoint 914 00:36:59.615 --> 00:37:01.315 to replace, to get rid 915 00:37:01.315 --> 00:37:03.755 of a double header weekend? What's your first choice? 916 00:37:04.635 --> 00:37:05.695 That's a great question. 917 00:37:06.055 --> 00:37:07.735 I mean, we, we don't have a mile 918 00:37:07.735 --> 00:37:09.015 and a half oval on the racetrack, 919 00:37:09.355 --> 00:37:11.295 or sorry, on the, on the calendar, on the race calendar. 920 00:37:12.095 --> 00:37:14.255 I would love to see a mile and a half come back just 921 00:37:14.255 --> 00:37:15.695 because that's been such a big part 922 00:37:15.695 --> 00:37:17.295 of IndyCar racing for such a long time. 923 00:37:18.515 --> 00:37:21.695 But more importantly, these things have to be events, right? 924 00:37:22.255 --> 00:37:24.175 I, I do, I hate to say this, 925 00:37:24.195 --> 00:37:25.855 but I do think it is slightly more important. 926 00:37:25.855 --> 00:37:27.015 Is Nashville not close enough 927 00:37:27.035 --> 00:37:28.215 to a mile and a half for you to 928 00:37:29.925 --> 00:37:30.925 Say that? 929 00:37:30.925 --> 00:37:31.865 Yes. That that is kind of, I was, 930 00:37:31.945 --> 00:37:33.265 I was sort of like holding back on it. 931 00:37:33.325 --> 00:37:35.785 So because we have Nashville and 932 00:37:35.785 --> 00:37:37.185 because there's not an obvious mile 933 00:37:37.185 --> 00:37:40.145 and a half that's in a good enough market for Indy car close 934 00:37:40.145 --> 00:37:41.905 to enough to the people and all that stuff. 935 00:37:43.505 --> 00:37:45.125 My honest next one would be Montreal 936 00:37:46.115 --> 00:37:50.325 because it's, it's a temporary circuit, 937 00:37:50.425 --> 00:37:52.565 but it's a permanent circuit. 938 00:37:53.355 --> 00:37:56.285 It's in a city that's very passionate about racing. 939 00:37:56.925 --> 00:38:00.365 I think the layout could be really good for IndyCar in terms 940 00:38:00.365 --> 00:38:01.805 of like the quality of the race itself. 941 00:38:02.745 --> 00:38:05.245 Um, and you know, it kind 942 00:38:05.245 --> 00:38:07.285 of checks all the bo it could be a big event. 943 00:38:07.665 --> 00:38:11.845 And so, you know, there's, there's a a, a faction of people 944 00:38:12.105 --> 00:38:15.445 of which Townsend Bell will say he is the, the leader 945 00:38:15.545 --> 00:38:18.765 of saying that he really doesn't want us to go 946 00:38:18.945 --> 00:38:20.285 to Formula One tracks 947 00:38:20.505 --> 00:38:22.885 and run the exact same layout as a Formula One car. 948 00:38:24.325 --> 00:38:26.205 I understand the concern, you know, 949 00:38:26.205 --> 00:38:28.445 when you see the two onboard side by side 950 00:38:28.445 --> 00:38:30.965 and you look at the lap times, it's not a great, you know, 951 00:38:31.115 --> 00:38:33.245 it's not a great advertisement for Indy car racing. 952 00:38:34.185 --> 00:38:38.905 But I do think if you put on a good show, that's 953 00:38:38.905 --> 00:38:40.585 what people actually care about more. 954 00:38:41.485 --> 00:38:43.665 So I think if the race was promoted correctly, 955 00:38:44.045 --> 00:38:46.585 and I think if, you know, IndyCar went there and did a test 956 00:38:46.605 --> 00:38:49.745 and got the, the tire right and the, and the arrow right 957 00:38:49.745 --> 00:38:50.985 and everything right for the road course. 958 00:38:51.185 --> 00:38:52.985 I know it sounds weird, but I think you could have a really 959 00:38:52.985 --> 00:38:55.745 good race in a great market that's that's close 960 00:38:55.765 --> 00:38:59.825 to the people and, and Motorsport hungry. 961 00:39:00.325 --> 00:39:01.465 So that, that, that's my answer. 962 00:39:01.465 --> 00:39:03.225 It's a very long-winded answer, but that's my answer. 963 00:39:03.245 --> 00:39:04.465 How about you Backup would 964 00:39:04.465 --> 00:39:06.945 Be like, I don't know man, as much as 965 00:39:08.015 --> 00:39:10.265 Totally different, as much as totally different. 966 00:39:11.085 --> 00:39:15.555 It pains me to see the quality and, 967 00:39:15.615 --> 00:39:18.835 and really now with Toronto being gone, 968 00:39:20.015 --> 00:39:21.515 um, it's really just Detroit. 969 00:39:21.935 --> 00:39:23.315 If you look at the quality, 'cause 970 00:39:23.315 --> 00:39:24.395 we know Arlington's gonna be good. 971 00:39:24.395 --> 00:39:25.395 We know Markham's gonna be good. 972 00:39:25.415 --> 00:39:26.875 St Pete's great Long Beach is great. 973 00:39:28.015 --> 00:39:32.905 So you, so if you're able to stay in that same level, 974 00:39:33.585 --> 00:39:35.625 I think you gotta keep adding street courses. 975 00:39:36.145 --> 00:39:39.505 I think that's what gets people excited about the, the, 976 00:39:39.965 --> 00:39:43.145 the event as, as you so correctly said, 977 00:39:43.285 --> 00:39:45.225 it puts it directly in front of someone's face, 978 00:39:45.225 --> 00:39:46.305 whether it's promoted or not, 979 00:39:46.305 --> 00:39:47.825 because you can't get away from it 980 00:39:47.825 --> 00:39:51.505 because you're affected, good or bad by construction. 981 00:39:52.005 --> 00:39:54.065 And so you're gonna know that there's a race happening 982 00:39:54.925 --> 00:39:59.065 and it's your best chance to grow the sport, 983 00:39:59.095 --> 00:40:01.905 both from an intended standpoint and a viewership standpoint 984 00:40:01.905 --> 00:40:04.345 because there's nothing quite like explaining to someone. 985 00:40:04.925 --> 00:40:07.385 We shut down the city street that 986 00:40:07.975 --> 00:40:09.705 cars commute on every single day 987 00:40:09.925 --> 00:40:13.065 and we're doing 180 miles an hour over bumps between walls. 988 00:40:13.485 --> 00:40:16.065 And if it's visually impressive 989 00:40:16.805 --> 00:40:19.545 and it's impressive from a, 990 00:40:19.545 --> 00:40:21.145 just an understanding standpoint. 991 00:40:21.265 --> 00:40:22.425 'cause you don't have to understand technology, 992 00:40:22.425 --> 00:40:23.985 you don't have to understand downforce, you don't have 993 00:40:23.985 --> 00:40:27.305 to understand anything to realize that's pretty wild, right? 994 00:40:27.965 --> 00:40:31.625 That's what's going to increase the value 995 00:40:31.805 --> 00:40:34.425 of our sport in increase the audience, 996 00:40:34.475 --> 00:40:36.345 especially in the demographic we're looking for. 997 00:40:36.445 --> 00:40:38.745 I'm sorry, but 20 year olds, 998 00:40:39.545 --> 00:40:42.945 18 year olds are not gonna go spend some, some will, 999 00:40:43.165 --> 00:40:45.585 but the majority are not gonna go spend three days in a, 1000 00:40:45.585 --> 00:40:47.385 in a field to go watch race cars. 1001 00:40:48.065 --> 00:40:49.485 And that's just, that's not gonna happen. 1002 00:40:49.785 --> 00:40:51.525 So I say keep, keep adding street courses. 1003 00:40:51.645 --> 00:40:54.005 I think DC is sweet. Um, I mean nation, yeah, 1004 00:40:54.005 --> 00:40:55.005 DC will Nation Nation's capital. 1005 00:40:55.225 --> 00:41:00.175 That's incredible. And so yeah, it's my vote. There 1006 00:41:00.175 --> 00:41:01.175 It is, Tim. 1007 00:41:01.635 --> 00:41:03.095 Oh look, we're outta time, which means 1008 00:41:03.095 --> 00:41:04.335 we'll have to cover Nashville next week. 1009 00:41:04.685 --> 00:41:06.655 Have a have a great weekend gentlemen. 1010 00:41:07.475 --> 00:41:11.215 And uh, we will, we'll chat. You know, I assume all things 1011 00:41:11.275 --> 00:41:12.455 Get some rest. James, you need it 1012 00:41:12.845 --> 00:41:13.845 Back? 1013 00:41:13.845 --> 00:41:14.775 Yeah, I'm so tired. I'm just gonna go to bed. 1014 00:41:14.915 --> 00:41:16.455 You know, we'll see. 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