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This is off track
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Racing.
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I've
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Known you for over a decade
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and I did not know you spoke anything more
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than hello, goodbye.
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And you in French . Well,
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Full surprise.
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It was, it was pretty impressive. Right?
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Um, okay, well, uh, for those that don't, uh,
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speak fluent French, um, hello and welcome.
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This is a Tuesday episode. We've got a special guest.
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James isn't here 'cause he is flying or on a yacht
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or whatever he does.
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Um, and let's be honest,
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who would've thought we'd get here, guys?
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Um, having Roma on, on the show.
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Uh, this is, it's growth happens, right?
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Growth happens in life, in relationships, um,
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both professional and personal.
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So thank you very much for being here
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and let's get right into it.
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Congrats. Um, this has gotta be a, I can't wait
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to hear the story of, of how we got here.
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So why don't you, uh, tell everyone that doesn't know
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what you're doing this year and,
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uh, how you got to this point? Yeah,
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Well it only took me five years to make it to off track.
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That's my first invite for the record.
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I was never invited before. Um, so thanks for the congrats.
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That's what you meant, right? That I made it to off track.
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A hundred percent. Yes, absolutely. Yes.
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Good. And on the side note,
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I'll be back in Indica as well.
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Uh, trying to have fun with you racing around the, you know,
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the country and, uh, back with Delcon Racing where I was
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with in 2021.
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Um, got to test last week in Sebring
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and eventually we managed to announce the, you know,
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that I was back in IndyCar and I'm excited.
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And, um, you know, I think it's a championship that,
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that I love and that I've had a lot of fun.
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Uh, daily's a is a character that I absolutely, uh, adore
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or love, I dunno what's the right word, uh,
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but I'm just glad to be back there.
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Um, and, um, I think, you know, we, we have a good team.
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Uh, I'm, I'm excited to be racing along with Tony Soja.
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I think he is a very fast young kid
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and, um, also make the most
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of my last few years of single SITAs.
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So before we get into this year
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and the expectations, like,
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why don't you walk us through, obviously.
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So your last full-time year in series was 2024 with,
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uh, Junco Hollinger.
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You went and did, uh,
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a factory Lamborghini sports car program in 2025.
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The, the doors on that program closed, um,
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for, for various reasons.
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Was was it always in your mind to try
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and get back to IndyCar
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or had you kind of been, you've given up on that and,
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and the path was gonna be sports cars?
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No, I think I, I love sports cars and,
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and that's where I probably see, you know, uh, the, the,
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the future for me.
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You'll, you'll feel that one day when you get old.
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You know, I'm gonna be 40 this year, so, uh, I got into the,
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I go into the season thinking that it
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may be a last year in single sitter.
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It may not, uh, depending of things are going, uh,
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but I always wanted to be back in icar.
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I think 2024 was, was not fair away.
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It kind of ended, I think the season was pretty good
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and just, you know, um, well financially there was,
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there was, uh, things that were needed to be done
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and I wasn't part of those.
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So, uh, 25 I was on the sideline, but, uh,
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but I wanted to be back, um, just to at least decide when,
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when I retire from Indica and, um,
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To do it on your terms.
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There you go.
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So was it, was it, um, this has gotta be the latest
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announcement that you have had, um, in your career.
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Like this is what, where two and a half weeks, three weeks
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before season is starting? Is that true?
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I had 2010 Formula One.
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I was told I wasn't going to be racing in Formula One
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by the 31st of January, 2010 for the 2010 season.
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So that was a close one with, with being, uh,
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I dunno, 13th of February.
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Um, I'm trying to think of any other,
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but yes, definitively I would say that the,
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between the last race of the season of a championship
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and the announcement as the longest as I've had to wait.
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So, but is it something that you kind
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of knew in your heart that was gonna happen and,
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and just these pieces had to fall into place?
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Or, or kind of tell us as much as you can.
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'cause Dale is obviously notorious for waiting until kind
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of the last minute, but like, was it kind of
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behind closed doors always something that was like,
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all right, this is gonna get done.
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We're just lining, lining things up.
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I think we met in Nashville with a very good conversation.
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Uh, from that point.
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I felt like there was, there was an opening and then, uh,
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and then called me, uh, when I was in Vegas for Formula One.
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So that's sometime in November.
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And, and he says, are you ready to go racing?
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I say, always daily. We said, well, let's go racing.
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So at that point I was like, okay, we're going racing.
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But then from November to, uh, to February, since February,
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uh, you know, it's, it's, they just, uh, slowly,
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slowly catch the monkey.
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Right. Okay. So, um,
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I dunno what that means, but Jackie Stewart told me
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that on the grid once, and I like using it.
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How much kind of faith did you have in that,
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or were you like, were you pursuing other options for 2026?
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Like obviously with your pedigree and,
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and what you've done, like you're no stranger, you know,
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I think back to before you came back to Lotus, right?
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You had a stint, formula one, you went
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and won championships in sports cars,
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then you came back to Formula One.
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So you're no stranger of like taking these
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gap years and coming back.
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So was it something that you were considering something else
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for 26, 26 when you got to Christmas time
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and there was still no deal?
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If I'm being honest, I was a bit la late to the party, uh,
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for most of the programs for 26, just
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because, you know, when you get to Christmas, everyone is,
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uh, but I had, I was, you know, very happy to do Daytona
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with Riley Motor Sport, uh, in a GT three.
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It didn't turn out about to be a good race for us,
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but, um, that was great
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and there was some other opportunities here and there.
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to do some races.
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Um, but also last year I realized
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that the world without racing is not that bad.
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Um, and there's, there's a lot to do to be done on the side.
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So it wasn't like I was desperate to go racing.
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I want to, I'm happy to here.
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I'm, I'm super excited to go racing, especially, uh,
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with Dale, I think, you know, I've, I really like him
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and we've got a great, great relationship.
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Uh, but it wasn't like when I was, I don't know, oh my God,
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that's 20 years ago when I was 20 years old
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that mm-hmm . I just wanted to go racing
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And nothing else mattered.
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Yeah, no, that, that makes sense.
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I think you talk to a lot of, of drivers who have gone
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through that transition and, and they get outta the sport
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and they're like, wow, there's a whole,
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there's a whole bright big world out here.
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Um, okay, so going into 2026, you mentioned that, you know,
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this is the team that you, you, you started in IndyCar with.
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Um, so how, how has the team evolved?
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I mean, obviously we know that there's some partnerships
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with Todd Alt
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and Bit Nile, like how different is the team
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from when you were there in, in 2020? Was that the first
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Year?
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21? Yeah, 21. Yeah.
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I mean, some of the mechanics are still there,
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which is awesome to see them, you know, a few years later.
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Uh, back at the same place.
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Uh, there is new engineers, uh, there is, uh,
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tail, but I would say it is changed quite a lot.
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Of course, uh, back in 21 we had, we had a partnership
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with a, a different, uh, brand,
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but now it's, it's, as you say, it's, uh, Bmax and total.
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So, um, I'm excited about that.
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And, uh, yeah, it's just gonna be, um, it's Dale,
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so there's a lot that are the same
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and there's a lot that are different,
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but, um, we got nice new trailers, which, which is great.
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Look at that. There you go. Yeah.
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Well, so was Sebring the first time Sebring 2024?
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The hybrid existed, right?
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Yeah. For second half of the season, yes.
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Right. Okay. So it wasn't the first time, um,
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were you surprised at, at kind of the evolution
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of the hybrid from the past year and a half, or not really?
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Um, well, it's better. Yeah. Um, than what it was.
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I'm, I'm gonna leave it here.
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So on that note, being away from the series right?
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For a year, you know, when you're in it, I can speak for,
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for myself, uh, certainly, you know, you, you see the,
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you see the flaws, you know, it's, it's human nature
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to focus on the, the negatives and,
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and the things that we should be doing
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better and, and all this sort of thing.
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I'm interested in your perspective when you stepped
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outside of that box, right?
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And then you saw IndyCar from a spectator lens, like what,
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where is your opinion of, you know, where the sport is going
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and, and the direction of the series?
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Obviously, you know, the partnership this, this past year
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with Fox was massive, and, and that's continuing to grow.
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So what is your viewpoint on the series going forward?
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Yes, I think you're right.
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When, when you jump out and,
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and you get some time, you know, I come, I came
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to Long Beach, I miss St.
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Pete, uh, sadly, but I came to Long Beach,
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native Indie 500 Detroit.
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So I saw some of the great races and,
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and you see how many fans there are.
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And yes, indica is definitely growing. Fox was amazing.
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Uh, and it's still amazing for the series.
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I'm, I'm very excited that, you know, Chevy
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and Honda both committed to long-term future for Indica.
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Um, if I didn't love it, I wouldn't be here, right?
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So, um, the fact that I'm back racing is that I love Indica.
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Is it perfect? No, but what's perfect in life?
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So, uh, the idea is that how can we, uh, you know,
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keep improving it, keep making a better show?
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I think we've got some great races this year.
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Um, you know, I think Washington's gonna be fantastic,
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Arlington's gonna be great,
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and it's just bringing the IndyCar
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to the eyes of more and more people.
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And once you watch a race, you normally watch more than one.
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Oh, a hundred percent. You know, I think that that's the,
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the biggest challenge that everyone realizes, right?
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But doesn't quite know how to resolve and fix.
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But certainly what, what Fox is doing,
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um, is the best we've ever had.
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So, as, as we've said many times on the show, we're,
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we're all very fortunate, um, with that partnership.
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Okay. So let's talk a little bit outside of, uh,
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outside of racing for a second.
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Um, you and I, uh, bonded over airplanes, um,
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and yeah, and Alex you kind of hinted at this earlier, like
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you guys didn't necessarily get along that well
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before the airplanes .
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It's a long story for another day, , it's
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A long story, long story need.
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We need some beers involved for that one.
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Um, so no, uh, OMA and I bonded over airplanes at that time.
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The last time I saw you, you were flying a, uh,
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a twin engine piston, right?
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Beachcraft Baron, if I'm not mistaken. Yes.
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Um, and now you're in something slightly different.
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So can you elaborate a little bit on,
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on what that's been like?
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'cause there's a lot of listeners on here that,
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that are into aviation and,
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and airplanes and, and being pilots.
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So like, what's it like being a, a small jet owner?
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Is it everything you had dreamed of
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and like, has it been as useful as you would've imagined?
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Uh, right. So yes.
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I, I had a baron, which is an amazing aircraft.
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Uh, but when you live in Miami
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and you have to go to Indianapolis very often,
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that's a six, seven hour trip.
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Sure. So, um, you know, eventually I, I was lucky
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that I got the chance to move into a,
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a beach premier small jet.
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Uh, I did my type rating, uh,
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which was super high opening on, you know,
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what you can learn from that and the simulators and so on.
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I flew, I don't know, a year and a half visit.
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I actually sold it end of last year.
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Uh, so right now I'm plane less, which, um, a bit bit sad,
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uh, but I'm sure I've got your right
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seat available sometimes.
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So I'll, I'll jump and do the, you know, checks for you.
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No, no problem. So, okay, so you,
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so you don't have it anymore, but what, I'm just curious,
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like what was the, the biggest transition?
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Was it just the, the having to think ahead,
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um, system management?
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Like what was the hardest thing?
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So, two things
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that I thought were a lot more challenging is the takeoff,
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because you are doing 250 knots at 200, 2000 feet
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and, you know, in between the gears and the Ignite Igniters
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and the lift dump and the flaps and the, the, your damper
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and all of that, it goes very under.
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And the speed management, right? Um, that goes super fast.
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And then funny enough, you know, you normally get, uh,
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to get your eighties when I, I fly single pilot,
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so I'm do my own communication
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and then I have to listen to the eighties.
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When you get to a place while the eighties, you don't get it
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until you're 150 miles out.
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Sure. But that's 15 minutes in a jet. Mm-hmm .
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So you're trying to talk to approach center, whatever,
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descending, checking all your stat
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and then trying to get the a at the same time.
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Funny enough, that was one of the most challenging,
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uh, part of it.
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Uh, it's just that, yeah, you, you have 250 miles left,
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but that's, um, that's 25 minutes, so it just flies quickly.
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Right. Um, alright, well that's, uh, that
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is all I needed to hear, um, to know that I do not need
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to be flying a jet because, um,
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Oh, you don't want them to hear about maintenance.
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Oh, well, I, I already have heard some
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of your stories about maintenance
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and, uh, we'll leave it to the imagination of the listener.
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Um, all right. So final question I have for you is,
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is really tell, I'd love to, for you to be able
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to tell the fans being the most established Formula One
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driver that we have an indie car.
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And, and I'm sure you've answered this question many times
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before, but like, what is,
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what is the biggest difference between the two?
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And from a purely driving, we don't care about any of the,
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the show and, and the glamor.
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I was gonna say at least a comma, right?
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Purely the driving and then your favorite
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and least favorite part of an IndyCar.
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So kind of three questions in one
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and we'll, we'll end with that.
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Okay. Uh, I guess the driving, the biggest difference is
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that's Formula one you focus on not sliding at all,
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and getting on Throtal very early
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to get a really good run outta the corners.
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You have thousand dollars power pushing you.
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So you, that's where you get the lap time in IndyCar, it's,
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I think it's a bit different.
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It's more about the entry speed, the minimum speed,
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and get on shuttle when you can, uh,
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and make, you know, make it out of the corner.
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I would say driving wise, that's the difference.
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Um, my favorite part of IndyCar is how capable it is
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to do in the low speed corners on the street course, uh,
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with the dampers that we have, the grip that we
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Have.
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Would you say it's more than Formula One then?
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Oh, big time. Okay. A hundred percent.
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And, and if we take Monaco just the love corner, the Appin
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and indica would be way faster than Formula One in there.
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So, uh, least favorite, um,
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that's a good question, man.
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Uh, the temperature in the cockpit with the arrow screen.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Fair. Yeah. Uh, okay. I love it. And I lied.
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I do have one more 2026 Formula One regs, like quick,
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quick 32nd synopsis.
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What have you seen? What do you think?
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Is this good or is it bad?
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Oh, well, um, I think we have to see re one
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i on the paper.
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I'm a bit worried, but I think the team would figure it out.
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I think the beauty of it is gonna change the orders quite a
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lot and we could see a lot of action in the race.
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Is it gonna be the action that we want to see?
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That's the question that we have
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to wait for the first few races.
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Diplomatic as always, trying to get some,
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some highlight answer out of you.
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I can't get it. But anyways, um,
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thank you so much for coming on.
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Know you're busy. We will see you out here in Phoenix, uh,
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tomorrow, and look forward to,
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to being on track with you, man.
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Yeah, same here, brother. Uh, thanks for having me
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and, uh, looking forward to race you all year long.
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No problem, bro. Have a good one. .
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Hopefully you guys are still friends
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by the end of the season. ,
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listen, we've overcome enough. We're fine. .
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Yeah, I think we've, we've,
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we've come a long way, so, uh, you should be fine.
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Yeah.
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