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This is, is off track.
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Hello and welcome to another episode
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of Off Track with Hinch and Rossi.
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Hi guys. It's like, it's over.
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Thank God, Detroit.
It's finally over. No way.
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But yes, Detroit always, but I was just referring to May.
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Yeah,
May. Mm-hmm.
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I know it's officially June, but like,
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because we just have races.
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Do you remember when we used to like go
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to Road America next week or Texas or something
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and like there wasn't even a break one year after Detroit,
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Wasn't it Indy?
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No, it was no.
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'cause Texas, they always, they always wanted to noval
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before indie in the good old days. No, no,
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No.
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But no. But yeah, old days, yes.
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But then I, I wanna say we used,
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'cause it used to be in June, I feel like we used
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to go Detroit to Texas.
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No. Too hot. Maybe COVID days.
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Dude. Do you remember 21 when we got the week
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off after Indy?
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It was the greatest thing ever. I think it was 21.
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It was 20. 'cause we did it in August.
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No, no. 'cause 'cause it wasn't the same.
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It was, I I feel like it was 21. Mm whatever.
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We did it once and it was glorious
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and I was like, oh, this is
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clearly gonna be the new norm. This,
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It's all stupid.
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It's ridiculous. Still
Feeling sick, Alex. Yeah.
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I'm not great.
Did you fly your airplane to Detroit?
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I did. It's, it is weird.
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You don't recover from sickness when you don't really
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sleep or have any
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Time.
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Why is she sleeping, pal recover.
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Oh, just, you know, just partying a
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lot, lot of time at Envy, .
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Yeah. So the full phase of,
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of just constantly having somebody in the house being sick.
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It, it does go away eventually in parenting.
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I've been told it has not yet.
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For me there's just like, it's a rolling basis of I'm sick
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or Hazel sick or her mom is sick
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and we just, it just feels like it's continually passed
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amongst our two places. Yeah.
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No, it's fun
And yeah, you're,
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you're well over a decade into that process, so
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that's fun for everybody involved.
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Um, I guess, I guess we should talk about Detroit,
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unless there's anything not Detroit related.
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Do you want to cover first?
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I don't think there was anything of interest
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going into the weekend, right?
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Not that we didn't cover. I don't know. Did we cover,
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We did that stuff.
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Yeah, I thought so.
So I mean, I guess the,
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the one announcement going into the weekend was,
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uh, Dale Coin racing.
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Dale Coin hired a bunch of people,
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Michael Cannon returns and someone else.
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Mike Culver, who's another experienced guy.
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I've, I've worked with Mike before.
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He's, he's done, I mean he's
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worked a bunch of mini car teams.
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I worked with him on Month of May programs when, uh,
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he would come run like the third car at
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Schmidt back in the day or whatever.
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Um, but no, he was, he's great man. Super nice guy.
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And, uh, very experienced engineer.
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So yeah, they, the, the question that we were kind
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of talking about over the weekend on it, I,
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on the broadcast at least,
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'cause I never got the chance to get down to,
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to Dale's place to ask was like, was this kind
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of always the plan?
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Because obviously we know that Mike Cannon had signed
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for Prema and then if it was December or January
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or something, it was announced that he was leaving for
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what I like to say artistic differences.
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Um, that's
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A good way of putting it.
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So like if, let's say if it was December,
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like six month gardening leave
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kind of puts you to the end of May.
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So maybe that was always sort of on the cards.
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Uh, and then Colver had a month
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of May program he was running.
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I think he ran Jack in, uh, in Indie at Dryer.
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So he would've been committed through May.
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So maybe the plan with the two guys they had was always
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going to be swap it out.
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Um, 'cause you'd hard, it'd be hard
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to argue it based on performance when, like Rena said,
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two top tens coming into the 500
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and was, he was like 10th in points.
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So I don't think it was performance related necessarily.
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So I'm gonna, I'm gonna just assume
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that's why I have no official, uh, reasoning to say that.
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So please don't take that as gospel.
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Anybody in the paddock
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that would no different. Please don't yell at me.
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That's, no, that's, that's good assumptions.
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We do a lot of that on this podcast.
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We try and make our best educated guests
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On.
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Yeah. But then I chunk things,
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but I, I'm occasionally reminded
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how many people in the paddock listen to the podcast
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and much as we shake be like,
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these guys are <inaudible> morons.
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Like, how do they not know what's happening?
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And they're like, it's one thing,
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like we can sound smart enough to people
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that aren't in IndyCar,
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but a lot of people in IndyCar listen to this
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and it's like, oh, you
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Guys.
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But I think, I think, I think everyone knows, uh,
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almost eight years on that we are <inaudible> morons. True.
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Yeah. True.
We have not done anything
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to hide that. Right.
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No, I, I think more than anything they just accept
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that it's looks like a gross lack of effort
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or preparation going into these shows.
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Like we could easily figure some of these things out,
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but we make most of this stuff up on the fly and
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Have no interest in really getting
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the real information either.
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No, no, no. I don't wanna deal work.
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Absolutely not.
Could you imagine actually being like a
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journalist and like having to actually no.
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Sounds exhausting,
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Corroborate stories and such. No, thank
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You.
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You need at least three sources. No. Mm, no.
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Or like having a plan, like a run of show
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My head
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Yeah.
Pretty good. It's pretty, it's better than WikiEd
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Your work the opposite of what James is
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thinking.
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I didn't know that I had this opinion
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until James had a different opinion and now
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Until we established what James' opinion was,
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now I know exactly what
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I think. No, I'm not talented.
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Relapse.
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Um, so that was yeah, kind
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of the defacto news I think going into the weekend.
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Um, I heard this rumor that
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we might be going back to Bell Isle. No,
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It's a, it's a dumb, it's no, no. So, okay. There
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Is,
So is it Yes.
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No, I'm gonna take the opposite stance here.
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I think we're going back to Bell Isles.
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We are not, uh, so last year, um, okay,
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so the Ren center, the, the GM building,
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The Renaissance san
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Uh, the, the race goes around as kind of a,
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a flagship skyline affecting building of Detroit,
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uh, was built back in the seventies.
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Um, and Ford actually built it.
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I found this out this weekend,
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which I thought was very interesting
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and GM actually bought it during the recession from Ford
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as like a kind of a, you we have more money
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so we can buy your building anyways.
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Um, which is what a what a power move.
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Um, but it was built in the seventies, uh,
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obviously not LEED certified.
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Um, incredibly inefficient building from a and
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Whoever designed it was clearly on drugs.
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It is so difficult to navigate that thing.
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It looks like it oh, for is made for Dr. Seuss's brain.
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Like none of the floors get, go to it, wind up.
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It makes no sense. It's the dumbest building I've
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That's not what I, I wasn't talking about efficiency in
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terms of getting somewhere. I was talking about efficiency
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I'm saying as
Well. Right,
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Right. Um,
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It's falling apart.
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I got the whole inside scoop falling apart.
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Um, no one really wants to work on it.
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The cost, the, the amount it would cost to bring it like up
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to today's standards is like triple what it would cost
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to just tear it down and start over. Um,
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Now who's laughing?
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Ford first? GM ,
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Right?
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So, uh, there was, there was a lot of rumors in last year,
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um, in 24 that the reen was gonna close.
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Um, and that demolition was essentially gonna start
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and thus you couldn't have a racetrack
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around a demolition site, construction reasons.
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Right. And all of that was on, was kind
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of on a, on a trajectory.
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Um, but like a lot of these things, it's not just one person
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that is making these decisions
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and it's actually, it's a, it's a vote
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and the city's involved and council's involved
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and it's not just, there's
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a lot of different things going on.
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So it seems that the conclusion that has been come
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that has, we have gotten to between GM and the city and
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and all involved is waiting until the end of 2027
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to tear it down because there is a college basketball,
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I believe tournament coming into town or football.
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One of them, a college sports tournament is coming into town
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and they don't wanna like evaporate the skyline.
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Um, so after that it would be torn down,
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which is why I believe we just signed a three year extension
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to continue going back there.
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So we will be going back to Lyle just not next
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Year.
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Well, not until 27 at the earliest, potentially 28. Right.
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You made it sound like that was a really dumb thing
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to say, but I feel like, sorry,
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That because there
Was a year ago it was
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No, no, because there was a period of time
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where like this was the end.
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Like this year was the end because it was coming down, so.
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Got it, got it.
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We're not going back to Baille next
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year. Next year unfortunately.
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Right. But there might be a chance we're going
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back at some point knowing
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How we do things though, as a series,
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we just won't race to Detroit.
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I mean, what if you had that weekend after the 500 off or
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National? Oh, Tim, you
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Shut your mouth national speed away.
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Don't you dare. Don't you dare me.
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That'd be pretty tease med. Am I as action? Yeah, dude,
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I wonder if we could do it.
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Like, I know there's all these reasons why we haven't in the
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past and I get them all and I agree with them all,
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but like, I wonder if like, we could figure that out.
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Probably not. Anyways. Um,
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Good, good chat.
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So we're backed in the streets.
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We're back on our nine corner, 1.65 mile street circuit,
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which on paper looks like the most
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boring racetrack on Earth.
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But the guys
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after year one seemed to think
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that it was, that it raced Okay.
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And it was mildly entertaining to drive.
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Is that how you felt going into this weekend?
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Mm-hmm. No, I think it, it, it,
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the novelty of it has worn off a little bit.
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And I don't know if,
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and I, I don't want to be these, this podcast
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or these people that continually bring this up,
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but like, I don't know if the hybrid just made it
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just extra <inaudible>.
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Right. Um, because there were, I don't mind bumps.
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It was like the first year was, was way too bumpy.
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Like it was just ridiculous. Right? Yeah.
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Like it was actually like causing you headaches
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and like back problems.
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2024 was a pretty big step forward, like on the,
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on the main street down to turn three
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and it became kind of a passing opportunity even though
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there was lots of shunts and it was like, it, they, they,
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they fixed a lot of the really problematic areas.
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Um, and then they actually took another step
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and improved more problematic areas in 2025
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with repaving a section
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and continually to work on with the city and,
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and trying to make it smoother, um,
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to as much as they could.
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And it just was a, it was just, I don't, I didn't talk
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to one driver bar minus Kyle
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or Colton who was like enjoying driving laps around there.
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Like, it was just, it was just not, not fun.
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Like you could, you could feel a noticeable difference.
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I mean, again, I it's hard for you.
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I'm trying to, I'm trying to isolate
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your situation specifically.
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'cause you've switched teams and you had, I'm not,
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not a great weekend, but like,
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Not, I'm not, I'm not really just referencing me,
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like everyone I talk to is like,
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I <inaudible> hate this place. Right.
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Even guys that
Enjoy it
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Before, it seems like it's been a noticeable
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drop in correct.
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Enjoyability, if that's a
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Word.
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Yes. Yeah.
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Interesting. Um,
And so, uh, I,
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I don't really know that there's a solution to it.
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Like it's been brought up several times.
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Um, if there's an option to extend it, um, there is not,
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I mean like look at what,
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what goes on in practice one, right?
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Like, as much as that was great for the internet
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and that was great comedy for tv,
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we're talking about willpower getting,
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we're talking about about Will just driving Kyle
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through a corner and in front of a corner.
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Like that is a product of this racetrack
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and it being so entirely too small that it's just like,
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it's just, it's, it's kind of a joke
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and I don't, I don't know how else to say that,
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but I think that was highlighted
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in practice one by like Yeah.
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What occurred. Yeah. Um,
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It's, it's funny that you've got like a,
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you've got a track that is
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so 1.65 miles, right?
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By far the shortest road
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and street course maybe that's ever been on the
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IndyCar calendar, right? So like, I think for
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Reference, I think do this in the world
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Maybe, um, I wanna say, I wanna say Toronto's like 1.9,
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like it's just under two.
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So like a, a pretty sizable chunks,
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like shorter than Toronto.
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Um, but it's the same lap time basically as Toronto
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because actually it's actually a little bit slower lap time
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because the, the average corner speed is like
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54 miles an hour. Surprised
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High. Honestly,
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There are nine corners.
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One's in the thirties, which is turn three
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one's in the sixties, which is turn two.
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Every other corner is in the 51 to 58 mile an hour range.
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Mm. Which is like, that's just very, it's,
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it's a slow, it's a slow track. It's a slow track.
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I mean your first gear in every single corner bar one.
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And it looks like there are so many good like clips
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of drivers trying
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to get off corners just accelerating outta corners.
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And the cars look like they've got a thousand horsepower
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because everyone's just like for the
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Thing. Can't
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The thing watch on YouTube. I'm
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The thing that's, um, that, that's frustrating
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and I think why it's maybe not enjoyable.
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You, you pretty much summed it up, right?
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You know, street courses are often about, you know,
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a level of bravery and commitment.
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Commitment, right. Um, that exists and,
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and how much track you're willing to use
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and how close you're willing to get to the walls
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and, and all that sort of thing.
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And while that certainly exists in like turn six, seven
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with the chicane, like how much, like there's a lot of time
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to be gained by getting very close to the apex walls,
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which are not symmetrical and, and all this sort of thing.
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The rest of the track is, is kind of just like, it's almost,
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it's almost akin to driving in the wet
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where you're just like trying
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to make every straight as long as possible.
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You Right. You're just trying to spend
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as little time in the corner as you can
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and break as late as you can
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and be as straight on the exit as you can
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because you're so, you're
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so limited on longitudinal grip.
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Right. And so the cornering phases are not actually
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enjoyable 'cause you're not really, like,
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you're not challenging the car mm-hmm .
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In a lot of ways. Like all
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of your challenges come from like just trying
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to get the power down and then trying to stop.
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So it's kind of like, it doesn't really reward a lot
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of commitment.
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I mean there is, there's certainly some,
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especially qualifying of course, like to, to be fast,
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you've gotta be committed.
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But it's not in the same way that you're committed at a St.
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Pete or a Long Beach or Toronto.
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Um, or certainly at Bell Isle.
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So I think that's probably why people feel that way. That's
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A good point.
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That's a good point. You're right.
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'cause yeah, you at 50 miles an hour you can kind
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of just drive out to the exit.
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Like you're not really
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Like Yeah.
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It's not about cars flowing more speed.
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'cause it's like you just kind of,
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And these aren't like small cars, right?
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Right. And there's some corners where like the, the width
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of the car is about the width of the track.
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Like turn one is like,
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there's not really many options to be creative there.
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That was, that was one of the things
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that was worried me going into the race is they switched the
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restart zone to turn one
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Went surprisingly well. I thought it,
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It went surprisingly well.
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Yeah, we did. We had the one issue with Polo
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and Lucas. Yeah. Um,
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But like that, that can shoot,
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But that could have happened
Anywhere.
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That could happen in St. Pete. Like that's not, and
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And, and the, the, the thing
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that made it like really good is he ended up in, in like,
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in my opinion, the worst position Polo did cake up against
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the wall on a restart and the track
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no one drove in the back of him.
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Mm-hmm . Which is kind of the big concern in that you'd lead
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to a track blockage pretty easily.
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And I think
Included that
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The reason for it, like on paper
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when you think about it, right?
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You're like, oh, why are we moving the restart zone
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to an area that's even narrower, slower, tighter
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and harder to pass cold, cold tires, right?
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Yeah. Um, and it's, it's kind of the, the cause
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and effect is, well, everyone's terrified
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so no one's gonna make a lunge.
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Whereas when you have turn three
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and you've got an entire straight
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to talk yourself into doing something and it's wide
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and it's inviting and it's a big breaking zone
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where you feel like you can get your s on the
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table sort of thing.
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And that's kind of the, the carnage
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that we saw over two years.
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So while it wasn't necessarily something
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that you would think, oh, that makes perfect sense.
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I think it ended up working out to be a really good change
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for the race because I, I feel like the race,
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like yeah, there was yellows.
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Yeah, there was a red flag, but not
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because of like stupid like wall had
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to be repaired. Um, dude
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Race, it was the best race we've had
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outside of Indy. Like
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Well, but also I think the best race at Detroit at that,
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at that particular track. Yes.
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Yes, for sure. Um, okay, let's cover off your race
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specifically and then we'll get into the broader,
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Don't much to say it, it was, it was horse .
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Um, we sucked. Um, I, um, I mean we were just lost
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for an entire three days, which is quite a weird feeling.
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Um, Christian was doing a really good job.
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I'm uh, he kicked my ass this weekend.
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Like there's no, there's no, uh, other way to put it.
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Um, and really sad for him that he didn't get a result, um,
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From it.
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Yeah. What, what it was electrical issues took him out.
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No, it was a engine failure. Oh, got it.
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TBD on, on the cause.
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Um, but yeah, I mean that's a tough, it's a tough two weeks
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for the team 'cause like the best car at Indy
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and the best car at Detroit both had mechanicals.
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Um, right. So that's, that's not fun.
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Um, but that's motor sports, I don't think,
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I mean there was no human error involved in either of those.
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It's just component failures. Um, so yeah.
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Uh, a big shame for him.
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'cause I think he was gonna have a, a very solid,
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there's someone running
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by my house in a <inaudible> Java house 20 jersey.
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That's wild .
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God, I hope they don't know that you live there.
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And that's just what they, I can't tell you what's funny. If
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I, I would like that way more
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If they know, they're just like,
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I'm gonna hope he is looking out the window
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and he knows that I'm a fan or no,
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I hope, I hope he doesn't know I live here anyways.
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Um, so I feel terrible for Christian.
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'cause like he was on for a yeah, another sixth, seventh,
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eighth place result, which would've been his two best, uh,
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career results back to back.
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Um, but yeah, uh, on on our side, we, we were just trying
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to survive and we did.
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And um, the team did a good job in pit lane
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and we maximized our strategy as best we could.
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We came away with 10th and it was one of those ones
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where it's like, thank God you got something out of it. So
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Yeah.
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You're like kind of can't believe you finished 10th.
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Yeah. I mean we
Had
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Honestly no Right.
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Inserted
. You've been in the top 10 now at every race
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for this track, right? Well
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I was top five before this weekend for all
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Of them.
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I was trying to be a, you
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know, glass half, well because it was
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Kind of guy about, it was Dixon
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had finished top five in both.
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And I feel like Dixon also was,
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Was in top five.
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Well, hey, he was 11th.
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I passed him with two laps ago. So boom.
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So you're the only guy that's been, uh, yes,
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Correct.
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Oh no, that's not true. I guess others could have
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been also top 10.
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Doesn't matter. Doesn't
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Matter.
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What's your point, Tim? That was it.
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I was just saying you've you've been top 10 all three
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Times just saying how much you like this place.
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No, I don't. It's just like, I just feel like I'm
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the least stupid and I just don't
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Don't just don't hit stuff.
510
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Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Fair.
511
00:19:35.505 --> 00:19:40.365
Uh, okay, so race itself, um, it was,
512
00:19:40.585 --> 00:19:41.605
it was an andretti weekend.
513
00:19:41.705 --> 00:19:43.685
It was an andretti race to lose mm-hmm .
514
00:19:43.765 --> 00:19:47.165
Uh, and they did not, um, Colton got pole.
515
00:19:47.515 --> 00:19:49.285
Kyle should have got pole correct.
516
00:19:49.565 --> 00:19:51.525
I think that's pretty safe to say. Yeah.
517
00:19:51.525 --> 00:19:55.005
Um, it's, it's so tough, man. Do
518
00:19:55.005 --> 00:19:59.245
You know, do you know he was on, he was on for a 59 8.
519
00:19:59.865 --> 00:20:01.165
Was he really?
Yeah.
520
00:20:01.625 --> 00:20:05.205
That's what, four tenths quicker? Six Six tenths quicker?
521
00:20:05.435 --> 00:20:07.245
Yeah. Oh yeah. Four tenths quicker than the record,
522
00:20:07.505 --> 00:20:08.805
but six tenths quicker than one.
523
00:20:08.905 --> 00:20:10.805
It actually was, yeah, he was on it.
524
00:20:10.825 --> 00:20:12.405
It was, look, there was no doubt about it.
525
00:20:12.485 --> 00:20:14.605
I mean he and and Colton were kind of the, the class
526
00:20:14.625 --> 00:20:16.525
of the field all weekend every session pretty much.
527
00:20:17.425 --> 00:20:19.485
Um, but you gotta get it done.
528
00:20:19.865 --> 00:20:22.805
So this was another weekend of having the new tire rules.
529
00:20:22.815 --> 00:20:24.765
Right. So this, how did you guys think
530
00:20:24.765 --> 00:20:26.645
that affected qualifying? Yeah,
531
00:20:26.685 --> 00:20:29.165
I mean the, the the, the new allocation.
532
00:20:29.265 --> 00:20:32.845
So again, it seems like we're new rules every Yes.
533
00:20:33.585 --> 00:20:35.365
Uh, NDGP was its own thing.
534
00:20:35.555 --> 00:20:38.245
This was back to how it was in St. Pete and Long Beach.
535
00:20:38.305 --> 00:20:40.405
So I don't think it affected qualifying at all.
536
00:20:40.405 --> 00:20:43.365
Like all it does is allow guys to go green, green early.
537
00:20:43.705 --> 00:20:45.085
Um, and if they make it to the fast
538
00:20:45.185 --> 00:20:46.405
six, they don't have new.
539
00:20:47.105 --> 00:20:49.205
And if you take the traditional route,
540
00:20:49.465 --> 00:20:51.085
you have new and fast six.
541
00:20:51.225 --> 00:20:53.605
So three of the cars in the fast six had new
542
00:20:53.745 --> 00:20:54.805
and they were 1, 2, 3,
543
00:20:55.185 --> 00:20:57.245
and the other three in the fast six had
544
00:20:57.245 --> 00:20:59.285
used and they were 4, 5, 6. So, and
545
00:20:59.285 --> 00:21:01.125
Look, it's, it was a bit of a risk to try to get
546
00:21:01.125 --> 00:21:03.805
through Q1 on, uh, on one set.
547
00:21:04.115 --> 00:21:05.285
Huge pace differential.
548
00:21:05.765 --> 00:21:07.045
'cause there's a huge pace differential.
549
00:21:07.065 --> 00:21:11.365
And also like, all you need is a poorly timed red, you know,
550
00:21:11.625 --> 00:21:16.145
on when you're out on your soft tire run,
551
00:21:16.325 --> 00:21:18.065
if you're doing the hards and the softs
552
00:21:18.805 --> 00:21:20.625
and it can, it can totally bone you
553
00:21:20.625 --> 00:21:23.025
because tires were taking a second to comp to temperatures.
554
00:21:23.025 --> 00:21:25.425
So it wasn't necessarily just one and done God,
555
00:21:25.425 --> 00:21:26.425
Like most people.
556
00:21:26.425 --> 00:21:27.785
How cold was it? It was
557
00:21:27.785 --> 00:21:28.825
weird this entire weekend. It was weird.
558
00:21:29.045 --> 00:21:30.185
It was freezing. Yeah.
559
00:21:30.405 --> 00:21:32.065
One of the practice sessions must have been
560
00:21:32.065 --> 00:21:33.905
like FP two or something.
561
00:21:34.125 --> 00:21:38.985
It was like 52 degrees and track temp of like 63.
562
00:21:39.285 --> 00:21:42.105
Mm-hmm . So we were only 10 degrees over the bare minimum
563
00:21:42.105 --> 00:21:44.905
that Firestone requires for cars to be on track.
564
00:21:45.095 --> 00:21:47.665
It's like, man, what is happening? It's June mm-hmm .
565
00:21:47.745 --> 00:21:49.465
What's going on? It's very strange.
566
00:21:50.165 --> 00:21:51.825
Um, so anyway, it was a huge risk,
567
00:21:51.825 --> 00:21:53.265
but those guys all got away with it
568
00:21:53.265 --> 00:21:55.505
and yeah, they finished 1, 2, 3 in the, in Q3
569
00:21:55.505 --> 00:21:56.505
because they had that extra set.
570
00:21:56.565 --> 00:21:58.345
So kudos to them. Cool. And got it done.
571
00:21:58.605 --> 00:22:01.425
Uh, Kyle tapped the wall, ended up P three, uh,
572
00:22:01.425 --> 00:22:02.585
still ended up P three.
573
00:22:02.595 --> 00:22:07.505
Incredible. And then, yeah,
574
00:22:07.505 --> 00:22:09.745
on the race start itself
575
00:22:10.255 --> 00:22:11.255
Very clean.
576
00:22:11.565 --> 00:22:13.425
It was clean, it was, there was some good racing, right?
577
00:22:13.425 --> 00:22:15.145
There was some guys getting their elbows out
578
00:22:15.145 --> 00:22:16.305
and trying to make moves happen.
579
00:22:16.485 --> 00:22:19.785
And um, Colin kind of got shuffled back a little bit.
580
00:22:20.375 --> 00:22:24.185
Kyle sort of took the lead, which really set the tone.
581
00:22:25.045 --> 00:22:28.265
Um, but yeah, I thought it was, yeah, it was good clean,
582
00:22:28.265 --> 00:22:31.025
nice, nice start and kind of went off from there. I
583
00:22:31.025 --> 00:22:32.625
Was, I was, I was blown away with,
584
00:22:32.725 --> 00:22:35.425
so obviously we know the street course tire, um,
585
00:22:35.605 --> 00:22:37.825
the alternate is pretty weak.
586
00:22:38.325 --> 00:22:40.065
Um, doesn't do a whole stint.
587
00:22:40.965 --> 00:22:44.185
Um, and you know, it's a prime race.
588
00:22:44.185 --> 00:22:46.465
Like that was pretty much like everyone knew that.
589
00:22:46.845 --> 00:22:49.065
Um, and I was blown away.
590
00:22:49.125 --> 00:22:52.305
So the top nine cars start on alternates
591
00:22:52.305 --> 00:22:56.465
as you would expect, and then the majority of the field bar,
592
00:22:56.495 --> 00:22:59.185
like three or four cars started on the prime.
593
00:22:59.325 --> 00:23:03.345
And I'm, I'm very curious if everyone,
594
00:23:03.705 --> 00:23:05.545
'cause this was me, right?
595
00:23:05.625 --> 00:23:07.865
I started on the Prime was like, oh, I just want
596
00:23:07.865 --> 00:23:09.465
to be the first car on the primes
597
00:23:09.465 --> 00:23:11.065
because everyone's gonna be on alternates.
598
00:23:11.065 --> 00:23:12.345
Right? And let's hope something works
599
00:23:12.345 --> 00:23:15.145
because there's no way that starting on primes is the
600
00:23:15.145 --> 00:23:17.585
correct decision yet the majority of the field did.
601
00:23:18.285 --> 00:23:20.065
Is that because they all had the same thought you did?
602
00:23:20.445 --> 00:23:22.585
No, that's what I'm saying. I think everyone was like, oh,
603
00:23:22.605 --> 00:23:23.985
I'm gonna be the only guy doing this,
604
00:23:24.005 --> 00:23:25.745
so I'm obviously gonna get a good result.
605
00:23:25.885 --> 00:23:28.985
And then like 15 cars did it and you're like, the,
606
00:23:29.325 --> 00:23:30.625
The, the allocation came out
607
00:23:30.625 --> 00:23:33.625
and you text the group, you're like, huh, that's not
608
00:23:33.625 --> 00:23:34.665
what I thought was gonna happen.
609
00:23:34.765 --> 00:23:37.305
And I Hmm. Don't love that. Yeah. .
610
00:23:37.655 --> 00:23:39.185
Yeah. Yeah. Very weird.
611
00:23:39.215 --> 00:23:41.385
Like, so I guarantee, so, um,
612
00:23:42.075 --> 00:23:44.505
Felix did the old mystery box, right?
613
00:23:44.505 --> 00:23:45.805
Which have
614
00:23:45.805 --> 00:23:46.805
Oh, did you
Really?
615
00:23:46.805 --> 00:23:48.605
You have 30 minutes after the end of a session,
616
00:23:48.985 --> 00:23:50.005
um, to declare
617
00:23:50.005 --> 00:23:50.685
Of warmup. Of
618
00:23:50.745 --> 00:23:51.745
Of warmup.
619
00:23:51.745 --> 00:23:52.965
Sorry to declare.
620
00:23:53.185 --> 00:23:54.765
Oh, let's talk about things you have to do
621
00:23:54.815 --> 00:23:57.085
after the end of a session. Oh yeah.
622
00:23:57.145 --> 00:23:59.165
I'm getting there late for your weigh in. What the
623
00:23:59.165 --> 00:24:00.165
Hell?
624
00:24:00.165 --> 00:24:01.445
Oh, not late. I never went. So
625
00:24:03.985 --> 00:24:04.985
It still hasn't gone.
626
00:24:05.195 --> 00:24:07.045
Yeah, so anyways, you have 30 minutes
627
00:24:07.045 --> 00:24:08.925
after warmup to submit your tire declaration,
628
00:24:08.925 --> 00:24:11.205
which is the tires that you choose to start the race on.
629
00:24:11.785 --> 00:24:14.445
Um, it doesn't have to be used
630
00:24:14.445 --> 00:24:16.125
or new, it just has to be primer alternate.
631
00:24:16.705 --> 00:24:21.325
And if you don't submit, if basically it defaults
632
00:24:21.425 --> 00:24:26.165
to the, um, less favored, less favorable tire choice.
633
00:24:26.665 --> 00:24:29.045
So I guarantee Felix mystery boxed
634
00:24:29.805 --> 00:24:33.125
thinking he was gonna get primed and he got alternates
635
00:24:33.125 --> 00:24:34.285
and would've been so confused
636
00:24:35.635 --> 00:24:39.525
because like he was, he started 15th, no, 14th,
637
00:24:40.055 --> 00:24:43.165
right in front of me and like 10 cards
638
00:24:43.165 --> 00:24:44.565
around him were all on primes.
639
00:24:44.915 --> 00:24:47.525
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, yeah. Anyways, thought that was
640
00:24:47.525 --> 00:24:48.525
funny.
.
641
00:24:48.865 --> 00:24:50.845
That's funny. What? Yeah, you, you,
642
00:24:51.125 --> 00:24:52.445
'cause sometimes teams will do that, right?
643
00:24:52.445 --> 00:24:54.045
They'll do it. You you call it mystery boss
644
00:24:54.205 --> 00:24:55.525
'cause it's, you intentionally don't submit
645
00:24:55.805 --> 00:24:57.245
'cause you want to just do the opposite
646
00:24:57.245 --> 00:24:58.885
of the majority to try to do something different.
647
00:24:59.185 --> 00:25:01.645
But yeah, when you kind of then get the, the curve ball
648
00:25:01.645 --> 00:25:02.525
that it was definitely not the
649
00:25:02.525 --> 00:25:03.485
choice he thought it was gonna be.
650
00:25:04.305 --> 00:25:07.525
Um, so IndyCar announced
651
00:25:08.155 --> 00:25:12.405
they will be implementing a new system
652
00:25:12.865 --> 00:25:16.685
for tech and race control moving forward.
653
00:25:16.865 --> 00:25:20.445
So they are, they are investigating a, uh,
654
00:25:21.395 --> 00:25:24.685
independent third party to have
655
00:25:25.555 --> 00:25:28.805
control over technical inspection, race officiating, all
656
00:25:28.805 --> 00:25:33.675
that stuff as early as 2026, which I think
657
00:25:34.345 --> 00:25:35.555
Alex, you'll, you can tell me.
658
00:25:35.615 --> 00:25:38.955
But I think it's an incredibly positive move
659
00:25:38.975 --> 00:25:41.275
and it's essentially what people have been
660
00:25:42.355 --> 00:25:43.925
concerned about. And so
661
00:25:44.675 --> 00:25:45.675
It's amazing.
662
00:25:45.675 --> 00:25:49.245
It's, I think once this proposed thing comes into effect,
663
00:25:50.045 --> 00:25:53.845
a lot of, listen, there always be, will be issues.
664
00:25:54.125 --> 00:25:56.885
I mean, formula One has an independent governing body called
665
00:25:56.885 --> 00:25:59.605
the FIA and there's plenty of things that have gone on
666
00:25:59.605 --> 00:26:02.205
where you think the FIA for sure as well for sure.
667
00:26:02.345 --> 00:26:05.565
But this is, this is the step that needs to be taken
668
00:26:05.785 --> 00:26:08.485
to make this a real race championship.
669
00:26:08.635 --> 00:26:10.165
Like that's just reality of it.
670
00:26:10.185 --> 00:26:12.965
So, um, I think it's very good news. I think it's exciting.
671
00:26:13.245 --> 00:26:16.565
I think Doug is very serious about it happening, which means
672
00:26:17.725 --> 00:26:19.595
Roger is very serious about it happening.
673
00:26:19.615 --> 00:26:22.395
So it's all, it's all positive things going forward.
674
00:26:22.485 --> 00:26:24.075
Let's get back to Scott and Nolan
675
00:26:24.075 --> 00:26:28.035
because it's funny not what happened to Nolan.
676
00:26:28.815 --> 00:26:29.875
Um, no.
677
00:26:30.175 --> 00:26:32.035
All the internet
Stuff after all the internet stuff.
678
00:26:32.275 --> 00:26:37.115
Hilarious. So I saw it as Scott had a big run on him
679
00:26:37.455 --> 00:26:39.155
and Nolan broke very early
680
00:26:39.615 --> 00:26:43.075
and he, it's still Scott's fault in entirety
681
00:26:43.125 --> 00:26:45.125
because when you go, we've talked about this,
682
00:26:45.145 --> 00:26:47.085
you get hit from the back insurance insurance adjuster,
683
00:26:47.085 --> 00:26:48.245
it doesn't matter what you do, right?
684
00:26:48.245 --> 00:26:49.245
If you have the car that's driving
685
00:26:49.245 --> 00:26:50.525
and hits the car in front of you, it's your fault.
686
00:26:50.525 --> 00:26:51.965
Right? So Scott's fault a hundred percent,
687
00:26:52.185 --> 00:26:54.005
but like I could see why he hit him,
688
00:26:54.335 --> 00:26:55.335
Right?
689
00:26:55.335 --> 00:26:58.165
Like it
Wasn't some egregious, like miscalculation two
690
00:26:58.225 --> 00:26:59.885
On Scott's was deep early, so, right.
691
00:26:59.995 --> 00:27:00.995
Yeah.
692
00:27:01.305 --> 00:27:05.725
Um, and yeah, that, that bled over into some, uh,
693
00:27:06.155 --> 00:27:08.275
some internet fighting.
694
00:27:08.815 --> 00:27:13.155
So was it all, was it all, did Scott get chirpy back at TK
695
00:27:13.155 --> 00:27:16.035
because of tk reposted it with just o okay then,
696
00:27:16.455 --> 00:27:17.515
or was there something else?
697
00:27:17.755 --> 00:27:19.555
I assumed because that, that didn't seem like enough
698
00:27:20.255 --> 00:27:21.635
to really rile anyone up,
699
00:27:22.135 --> 00:27:23.755
but it is Sure. Riled a lot of people
700
00:27:23.755 --> 00:27:24.755
Up.
701
00:27:24.755 --> 00:27:27.715
Well, I think it riled Scott up and then Scott dove in
702
00:27:27.815 --> 00:27:29.475
and then TK doubled down.
703
00:27:29.735 --> 00:27:30.875
Mm. And
704
00:27:31.375 --> 00:27:32.595
So where do you guys,
I think it's
705
00:27:32.595 --> 00:27:33.635
just escalated. Where
706
00:27:33.635 --> 00:27:34.635
Do you guys sit on that?
707
00:27:34.635 --> 00:27:37.555
Because a lot of people seem to think that this is
708
00:27:38.535 --> 00:27:40.515
not a great move for TK to do this,
709
00:27:40.615 --> 00:27:42.835
but as the driver, is there some part of you that's like,
710
00:27:42.835 --> 00:27:45.075
yeah, I want my team principal to go to bat for me?
711
00:27:45.535 --> 00:27:46.915
Or is this just like a weird
712
00:27:47.315 --> 00:27:48.315
Distraction being published?
713
00:27:48.315 --> 00:27:49.395
Nobody was, nobody was blame. Nobody was
714
00:27:49.395 --> 00:27:50.675
blaming Nolan for anything.
715
00:27:50.945 --> 00:27:55.115
Okay. Right. So like, yes, TPS should absolutely go to bat
716
00:27:55.575 --> 00:27:57.555
for their drivers even when they're wrong.
717
00:27:58.295 --> 00:28:02.545
Right. Nobody was talking about what, no one,
718
00:28:02.545 --> 00:28:04.025
nobody was saying Nolan did anything wrong.
719
00:28:04.565 --> 00:28:05.865
So it seemed like a weird
720
00:28:05.865 --> 00:28:07.665
Yeah, I thinkk started it with like a Oh,
721
00:28:07.665 --> 00:28:09.905
you'd misjudged last week and or
722
00:28:09.925 --> 00:28:11.585
You No, I think it went on to that.
723
00:28:11.935 --> 00:28:13.985
Okay. I think he just started with, oh, okay.
724
00:28:14.605 --> 00:28:16.625
And then Scott said something, I forget
725
00:28:16.845 --> 00:28:19.345
and then they started, yeah, they started talking about like
726
00:28:19.895 --> 00:28:21.705
team manager, like, you know, Scott said,
727
00:28:21.705 --> 00:28:23.825
you've got my number and Tony said something like, oh,
728
00:28:23.865 --> 00:28:25.105
I was trying to find your team manager.
729
00:28:25.325 --> 00:28:26.785
Oh wait, which like, yeah,
730
00:28:26.785 --> 00:28:28.345
That seemed, that seemed like a kind
731
00:28:28.345 --> 00:28:29.665
of thing with the Yeah.
732
00:28:29.665 --> 00:28:30.825
With those people losing their jobs
733
00:28:30.825 --> 00:28:31.825
Were referring.
734
00:28:31.825 --> 00:28:32.585
Exactly. Um,
735
00:28:33.885 --> 00:28:36.385
but like the bigger thing for me, man, like I get
736
00:28:36.385 --> 00:28:38.665
that he's a, he's, I mean look, TK ISS a racer, right?
737
00:28:39.725 --> 00:28:41.505
And you never lose that.
738
00:28:42.125 --> 00:28:44.225
It doesn't matter how far outta the car you are.
739
00:28:44.225 --> 00:28:46.265
And let's be honest, he was in the car in in May
740
00:28:47.215 --> 00:28:48.345
driving Larson's car.
741
00:28:48.885 --> 00:28:53.565
But I just, I am floored that he had the time
742
00:28:53.665 --> 00:28:56.845
during the race from the pit stand to quote tweet
743
00:28:56.905 --> 00:28:58.165
and shirt McLaughlin.
744
00:28:58.665 --> 00:28:59.925
I'm like, I'm pretty sure that came out
745
00:28:59.925 --> 00:29:00.965
during the race still.
746
00:29:01.595 --> 00:29:05.005
Well if he's on Nolan's stand, he had time, right?
747
00:29:05.315 --> 00:29:07.005
Yeah. I feel like you should have
748
00:29:07.005 --> 00:29:08.845
been moved over to another stand. I don't know.
749
00:29:08.945 --> 00:29:12.405
Listen, I I think it, uh, Tony,
750
00:29:12.835 --> 00:29:16.245
Tony is not the traditional team principal guy.
751
00:29:16.315 --> 00:29:19.245
Like we've talked about his rise to this position.
752
00:29:20.025 --> 00:29:22.245
Um, and he's not, I don't even,
753
00:29:22.825 --> 00:29:25.605
and this is no disrespect to Tony whatsoever.
754
00:29:25.865 --> 00:29:27.045
No, I don't even know that
755
00:29:27.045 --> 00:29:30.245
that like other team principles in the paddock view him
756
00:29:30.465 --> 00:29:34.325
as their peer as much as he's the,
757
00:29:34.875 --> 00:29:37.765
he's the boss, but he's also the, the spokesperson
758
00:29:37.825 --> 00:29:39.005
of the, the real boss.
759
00:29:39.005 --> 00:29:41.685
And Tony will tell you that like he, he does what Zach says,
760
00:29:41.715 --> 00:29:43.365
like he has an opinion and he can,
761
00:29:43.705 --> 00:29:46.005
he can help influence Zach,
762
00:29:46.005 --> 00:29:48.165
but Zach is making these decisions ultimately.
763
00:29:48.265 --> 00:29:51.085
Um, yeah, yeah, yeah. Whereas Chip is
764
00:29:51.145 --> 00:29:52.285
not answering to anyone.
765
00:29:52.765 --> 00:29:54.245
Ed is not answering to anyone.
766
00:29:54.315 --> 00:29:59.165
Like, so anyways, uh, so that being said, Tony is,
767
00:29:59.675 --> 00:30:00.685
Tony is who he is.
768
00:30:00.825 --> 00:30:04.325
And so the tweet didn't bother me, um, at all
769
00:30:04.435 --> 00:30:07.125
because like, I, it's not,
770
00:30:07.425 --> 00:30:10.205
it wasn't disrespectful like this, the follow up one was,
771
00:30:10.345 --> 00:30:11.765
and I'm sure he probably regrets that,
772
00:30:12.105 --> 00:30:13.805
but like, it wasn't, it wasn't bad.
773
00:30:13.865 --> 00:30:16.005
It was like, man, my guy just got dumped.
774
00:30:16.005 --> 00:30:17.125
He was having a really good race
775
00:30:17.225 --> 00:30:19.765
and it was through no fault of his own really.
776
00:30:20.385 --> 00:30:22.285
And so you just put Oh, okay.
777
00:30:22.345 --> 00:30:25.325
On a video that Fox, Twitter, IndyCar,
778
00:30:25.385 --> 00:30:26.605
Fox IndyCar Twitter posted.
779
00:30:26.745 --> 00:30:29.245
So it's like I don't have a problem with that. Um,
780
00:30:30.565 --> 00:30:32.285
I, yeah, it was the timing. I was more confused
781
00:30:32.285 --> 00:30:33.285
about
.
782
00:30:33.285 --> 00:30:34.045
I mean,
783
00:30:35.015 --> 00:30:36.605
Maybe not, I dunno what,
784
00:30:36.605 --> 00:30:38.125
what I go on Twitter commercial breaks. So
785
00:30:38.355 --> 00:30:40.085
What is, what is any team principal
786
00:30:40.085 --> 00:30:41.445
doing on a timing stand?
787
00:30:41.905 --> 00:30:43.405
Not influencing the race?
788
00:30:44.065 --> 00:30:45.805
No, I guess not. I guess
789
00:30:45.805 --> 00:30:46.805
Not.
790
00:30:46.805 --> 00:30:48.485
I mean, they're not, come on.
791
00:30:48.825 --> 00:30:50.805
No, no, I know. I I I'm not disagreeing.
792
00:30:51.195 --> 00:30:52.605
Yeah. I guess if there Dale a caution
793
00:30:53.245 --> 00:30:54.245
Dale.
794
00:30:54.245 --> 00:30:56.245
Dale is because Dale is actually calling a race,
795
00:30:56.785 --> 00:31:00.285
but like Bobby ra hall ain't calling a race I feel like
796
00:31:00.295 --> 00:31:01.445
Aside from I feel like Chip.
797
00:31:01.555 --> 00:31:04.205
Yeah, chip. Nope. Chimes in. I'm, Mike does Ed chimes in
798
00:31:04.685 --> 00:31:06.725
Ed, ed ed chimes in with opinions,
799
00:31:06.725 --> 00:31:08.885
but he's not making defacto decisions.
800
00:31:09.585 --> 00:31:11.685
No, no, no. Yeah, yeah. But like you're part of the, it
801
00:31:11.685 --> 00:31:12.685
Doesn't matter.
802
00:31:12.685 --> 00:31:13.365
I'm sorry. You can't, you can't have your
803
00:31:13.365 --> 00:31:14.525
phone on you while you're doing that.
804
00:31:14.985 --> 00:31:19.965
No like, it's not that hard to refresh Twitter. Dude.
805
00:31:22.985 --> 00:31:24.485
, if I could do it in the car, I would. Yeah,
806
00:31:25.395 --> 00:31:26.285
Fair. Yeah. Didn't
807
00:31:26.285 --> 00:31:27.365
Santino get in trouble for that?
808
00:31:27.515 --> 00:31:29.925
Yeah, well make it two things
809
00:31:29.925 --> 00:31:31.165
he's gotten in trouble for anyways.
810
00:31:31.545 --> 00:31:36.365
Um, so the other incident to happen was,
811
00:31:36.705 --> 00:31:39.525
uh, definitely no fault of anyone's
812
00:31:39.525 --> 00:31:41.805
and very thankful that everyone was good,
813
00:31:41.945 --> 00:31:46.045
but having a IndyCar suspension failure, trust
814
00:31:46.065 --> 00:31:48.565
Me when you consider Right.
815
00:31:49.705 --> 00:31:52.205
Didn't think about that, but like when you consider,
816
00:31:52.355 --> 00:31:55.045
when you consider how much we hit the walls
817
00:31:55.265 --> 00:31:56.325
and bang off each other
818
00:31:56.465 --> 00:31:58.445
and sort of thing, it's very surprising that like,
819
00:31:58.475 --> 00:32:00.285
just under breaking it snapped
820
00:32:00.465 --> 00:32:01.885
And like, I still, I still don't know
821
00:32:01.885 --> 00:32:03.165
exactly which part snapped.
822
00:32:03.165 --> 00:32:04.125
I I'm sure it's been
823
00:32:04.435 --> 00:32:05.725
said, I just haven't looked into it yet.
824
00:32:05.785 --> 00:32:07.485
But like it was so bizarre.
825
00:32:07.485 --> 00:32:09.005
Foster just hits the brakes at the end
826
00:32:09.205 --> 00:32:12.405
of the back straight into three, right front collapses
827
00:32:12.945 --> 00:32:16.115
spears into the wall, collects uh,
828
00:32:16.335 --> 00:32:18.435
fro in a big hit man.
829
00:32:18.625 --> 00:32:22.795
Like when you watch fros onboard, you know,
830
00:32:22.865 --> 00:32:25.235
he's slowing down to said 30 miles an hour
831
00:32:25.345 --> 00:32:27.235
that the apex speed is and turn three.
832
00:32:27.375 --> 00:32:30.115
And then the guy just is accel like the feeling from
833
00:32:30.135 --> 00:32:32.795
inside the car of being on the brakes turning in
834
00:32:32.795 --> 00:32:35.435
and then all of a sudden accelerate to what must have been,
835
00:32:35.855 --> 00:32:37.395
he must have been doing 60 miles
836
00:32:37.395 --> 00:32:38.595
an hour when he hit the wall.
837
00:32:39.555 --> 00:32:41.325
Like that must be the weirdest.
838
00:32:41.385 --> 00:32:42.725
And he said, he's like, I didn't see it coming.
839
00:32:42.725 --> 00:32:44.445
Like sometimes you like glance in your mirror
840
00:32:44.445 --> 00:32:46.205
and you see a guy coming outta control, you're like,
841
00:32:46.225 --> 00:32:47.365
ah, this is gonna suck.
842
00:32:48.025 --> 00:32:49.245
He wasn't even, didn't see it.
843
00:32:49.245 --> 00:32:50.405
He came from the other side of the car,
844
00:32:50.425 --> 00:32:51.485
so didn't see him coming.
845
00:32:51.755 --> 00:32:53.725
Just accelerates, smashes the wall sideways.
846
00:32:53.725 --> 00:32:56.685
Worst way to hit it. And then from foster standpoint,
847
00:32:56.705 --> 00:32:59.685
he hits the wall, has now no control of the car whatsoever
848
00:32:59.785 --> 00:33:02.165
and is just staring at the gearbox of another car.
849
00:33:02.555 --> 00:33:04.285
Like that's a terrifying feeling.
850
00:33:04.475 --> 00:33:08.245
Yeah, no, I mean it's uh, how does
851
00:33:08.245 --> 00:33:09.645
that happen, I guess is the question?
852
00:33:09.755 --> 00:33:10.755
Like, is it
853
00:33:11.955 --> 00:33:14.005
Like, oh, do we think this could be a, a factor of
854
00:33:14.005 --> 00:33:15.285
how bumpy the track is?
855
00:33:15.925 --> 00:33:17.765
I don't think you can rule that out. I would
856
00:33:17.765 --> 00:33:19.525
Prefer if we find a way to blame it on the hybrid.
857
00:33:19.845 --> 00:33:21.845
I feel like we blame the hybrid for everything else.
858
00:33:22.305 --> 00:33:24.205
So I mean, extra weight is more s
859
00:33:24.205 --> 00:33:25.805
stress on these components, dude. It's,
860
00:33:25.955 --> 00:33:27.085
It's just a mass equation.
861
00:33:27.195 --> 00:33:30.485
It's inertia. Um, luckily everybody was okay.
862
00:33:30.555 --> 00:33:33.045
He's okay. Yeah.
Yeah. Both guys were okay.
863
00:33:33.125 --> 00:33:36.205
A little shook up, understandably, but then it's weird man.
864
00:33:36.365 --> 00:33:39.685
'cause I mean obviously unrelated, but then both the 15
865
00:33:40.025 --> 00:33:42.525
and the 30 had like wheel nut issues
866
00:33:42.525 --> 00:33:44.045
of some kind. Dev lost a tire
867
00:33:44.045 --> 00:33:47.805
In the 90,
Maybe twice the 90 had a tire come off,
868
00:33:48.335 --> 00:33:49.565
which was very strange.
869
00:33:50.505 --> 00:33:53.565
Uh, he had the, the 15 couldn't get it
870
00:33:54.105 --> 00:33:55.285
off or on or something.
871
00:33:55.285 --> 00:33:56.525
They were hammering at wheel nuts.
872
00:33:56.985 --> 00:33:59.485
So like again, is this, that one's weird
873
00:33:59.645 --> 00:34:01.405
'cause there's like two teams had the same thing,
874
00:34:01.425 --> 00:34:03.725
but then iot had the same thing, like you said.
875
00:34:03.785 --> 00:34:06.125
So is this, is this something to do with the track
876
00:34:06.145 --> 00:34:08.005
and the bumps and the whatever, like
877
00:34:08.155 --> 00:34:09.525
that seems like a weird one but
878
00:34:09.885 --> 00:34:12.405
I feel like the promo one was just a new team situation.
879
00:34:12.405 --> 00:34:13.845
Like they've been struggling with pit stops.
880
00:34:13.845 --> 00:34:16.445
They were probably rushing 'cause he was, you know, in
881
00:34:16.445 --> 00:34:17.765
for a good result, that sort of thing.
882
00:34:17.765 --> 00:34:19.045
And just didn't get the wheel nut on.
883
00:34:19.045 --> 00:34:22.085
Like that happened to me at McLaren last year at Bar. Right?
884
00:34:22.085 --> 00:34:25.525
Like that happens. Yeah. Um, hilarious. Not hilarious.
885
00:34:25.665 --> 00:34:27.285
It kind of hilarious that he hit the wall
886
00:34:27.305 --> 00:34:29.205
and then apparently caught the wheel nut.
887
00:34:29.315 --> 00:34:31.405
Like the wheel nut came into the cockpit.
888
00:34:31.865 --> 00:34:33.165
No.
Yeah. Which is .
889
00:34:33.625 --> 00:34:35.765
He would've been like, oh, I know what happened.
890
00:34:35.765 --> 00:34:38.005
Which would've been like such a sigh of relief
891
00:34:38.515 --> 00:34:40.605
because like in that moment you're like, oh,
892
00:34:40.665 --> 00:34:43.205
did I just on a cold tire stove this thing into the wall?
893
00:34:43.205 --> 00:34:45.165
Right? And then when you realize the wheel nuts in your lap
894
00:34:45.165 --> 00:34:49.205
and the tire's on the car, you're like, ha wasn't me.
895
00:34:49.505 --> 00:34:50.605
I'm good. You guys are
896
00:34:50.605 --> 00:34:51.605
assholes.
.
897
00:34:52.385 --> 00:34:53.645
I'm a little more, I'm a little relieved.
898
00:34:53.825 --> 00:34:55.165
I'm definitely more angry than I was.
899
00:34:55.165 --> 00:34:56.605
Yeah, for sure. But I'm a little more relieved,
900
00:34:56.905 --> 00:34:57.905
Way less embarrassed.
.
901
00:34:58.445 --> 00:35:00.685
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Um,
902
00:35:01.385 --> 00:35:03.925
How, how fast does that come into your guys' minds when
903
00:35:03.925 --> 00:35:05.565
you're, when that happens immediately?
904
00:35:05.865 --> 00:35:07.325
Oh, you immediately
Before, even
905
00:35:07.905 --> 00:35:09.325
before you even hit the wall, like
906
00:35:09.325 --> 00:35:10.725
as you're going towards the wall, you're like,
907
00:35:10.725 --> 00:35:12.045
I cannot believe I balled this up.
908
00:35:12.045 --> 00:35:14.245
This is insane. And then you hit it, you're like,
909
00:35:14.245 --> 00:35:16.445
you have one job as a driver, it's to not hit stuff.
910
00:35:17.195 --> 00:35:18.365
Okay. I guess you have more than that, but
911
00:35:18.425 --> 00:35:20.805
You're supposed to win and
It's the first thing to do.
912
00:35:20.825 --> 00:35:22.565
You can't win if need sponsors. Right.
913
00:35:22.585 --> 00:35:24.365
So like number one, once you're in the car,
914
00:35:24.765 --> 00:35:27.045
'cause you have sponsors and then you get in the car, right?
915
00:35:27.045 --> 00:35:30.805
It's a, it is a cycle here Tim. Um, so yeah.
916
00:35:30.805 --> 00:35:33.845
Very bad day for RLL, which is unfortunate for them.
917
00:35:33.995 --> 00:35:36.325
It's great qualifying, I mean Graham huge. Yeah.
918
00:35:36.325 --> 00:35:41.285
Returning to the fast six on not in DGP, uh, huge dude
919
00:35:41.285 --> 00:35:42.285
On a street circuit.
920
00:35:42.285 --> 00:35:43.885
Like they've been pretty bad at street circuits.
921
00:35:43.905 --> 00:35:45.645
So like it was, and then he had the engine penalty,
922
00:35:45.745 --> 00:35:46.805
so I felt bad for him already
923
00:35:46.805 --> 00:35:48.445
because yeah, he had to cop the penalty
924
00:35:48.465 --> 00:35:50.125
and didn't get a start in the top six mm.
925
00:35:50.385 --> 00:35:53.805
Um, that penalty promoted Palo up to fifth mm.
926
00:35:54.915 --> 00:35:57.085
Soot had his first day not finishing first
927
00:35:57.085 --> 00:36:00.285
or second in an IndyCar race through no fault of his own
928
00:36:00.775 --> 00:36:05.285
First day since 2022 Road America that he's DNF
929
00:36:05.285 --> 00:36:08.725
2022, no, 2022, no Iowa.
930
00:36:09.025 --> 00:36:10.485
He crashed in Iowa last year.
931
00:36:10.655 --> 00:36:12.885
Maybe he, maybe they took it to the pits
932
00:36:12.885 --> 00:36:14.885
and got back out lapsed down or something.
933
00:36:14.905 --> 00:36:17.285
And so it wasn't qualified as a DNF, but I'm
934
00:36:17.285 --> 00:36:19.805
Like, well Nathan Brown, Nathan Brown, our guy.
935
00:36:20.485 --> 00:36:21.485
I hope it was Nathan Brown.
936
00:36:21.485 --> 00:36:24.805
Anyways, someone on the interwebs uh, said ties back
937
00:36:24.805 --> 00:36:26.565
to our earlier conversation of not wanting
938
00:36:26.565 --> 00:36:28.205
to do it. Yeah. Um, I think
939
00:36:28.275 --> 00:36:29.275
It's a box score thing.
940
00:36:29.705 --> 00:36:32.285
Um, but yes, again, no fault zone.
941
00:36:32.725 --> 00:36:34.525
Lucas just got into him kind of the same way.
942
00:36:34.685 --> 00:36:37.605
I mean different but same as like Scott got into Nolan,
943
00:36:37.665 --> 00:36:40.885
he ends up with the wall, still has a very healthy, healthy,
944
00:36:40.885 --> 00:36:42.125
healthy, healthy, healthy lead.
945
00:36:42.485 --> 00:36:45.685
I guess the bad thing for Palo is that the only other guy
946
00:36:45.685 --> 00:36:47.445
that's won a race this year also won this race.
947
00:36:47.665 --> 00:36:52.445
So, you know, points wise, had Kyle not been DQ in Indie,
948
00:36:52.635 --> 00:36:54.125
he'd be, you know, like seconding the
949
00:36:54.125 --> 00:36:55.405
championship and, and even closer.
950
00:36:55.785 --> 00:36:59.805
Um, so there's that. What else happened? I don't know.
951
00:37:00.235 --> 00:37:02.645
Indy car memes is back in car.
952
00:37:02.645 --> 00:37:04.845
Uh, Dave, David, David had a good weekend that
953
00:37:04.915 --> 00:37:06.005
that got away from him.
954
00:37:06.355 --> 00:37:08.045
Yeah. Um, great Qualifying
955
00:37:08.045 --> 00:37:10.125
A lot of room,
A lot of rumors swirling
956
00:37:10.125 --> 00:37:12.765
around about old, old Dave Lucas
957
00:37:12.825 --> 00:37:14.325
and uh, Willie P this weekend.
958
00:37:14.665 --> 00:37:17.485
Who knows what's true. Obviously there's been a rumor now
959
00:37:17.505 --> 00:37:20.885
for at least a year linking David to the 12 car
960
00:37:21.145 --> 00:37:23.725
and a lot of people assumed that was a foregone conclusion
961
00:37:24.355 --> 00:37:27.325
when he signed with Fot instead of MSR,
962
00:37:27.455 --> 00:37:30.245
which is the Penske kind of satellite operation.
963
00:37:31.145 --> 00:37:34.525
Um, but then Will is still doing really good things.
964
00:37:34.985 --> 00:37:36.205
So I think that there was like,
965
00:37:36.205 --> 00:37:39.125
oh well why would they replace him if Will is still
966
00:37:39.565 --> 00:37:41.965
challenging for championships and wins every weekend.
967
00:37:42.825 --> 00:37:47.685
Um, so yeah, that's kind of a another silly season thing
968
00:37:47.685 --> 00:37:48.925
that's gonna come down our way.
969
00:37:49.085 --> 00:37:52.485
'cause it's really, I mean Will is really the only free
970
00:37:53.015 --> 00:37:55.925
agent this year of any sort
971
00:37:55.925 --> 00:37:58.165
of notoriety.
972
00:37:58.565 --> 00:38:01.085
I mean I feel like you've got your Connors
973
00:38:01.085 --> 00:38:04.085
and your dev single guys, Louis Foster.
974
00:38:04.255 --> 00:38:07.805
Right. But like Will is the one of the main guys
975
00:38:07.915 --> 00:38:09.645
that is in a contract here.
976
00:38:09.865 --> 00:38:10.965
Is Ericsson in a contract
977
00:38:10.965 --> 00:38:11.965
Here?
978
00:38:11.965 --> 00:38:15.525
No. Okay. That doesn't mean anything though. .
979
00:38:16.235 --> 00:38:17.885
Well, yeah, we do know that. We've
980
00:38:17.885 --> 00:38:18.885
Seen.
981
00:38:18.885 --> 00:38:21.365
Yeah. Um, so speaking of, of Willie p you know, going back
982
00:38:21.365 --> 00:38:24.085
to practice and just unnecessarily inappropriately driving
983
00:38:24.355 --> 00:38:26.325
into another car, did you watch the F1
984
00:38:26.325 --> 00:38:27.445
race? Uh, or did hear about
985
00:38:27.645 --> 00:38:28.685
I know who you're talking about.
986
00:38:28.755 --> 00:38:31.125
Yeah. Old Max, man,
987
00:38:31.535 --> 00:38:32.535
Tough luck bud.
988
00:38:33.305 --> 00:38:36.725
You know, we've, we've talked up Max on this show a lot.
989
00:38:37.475 --> 00:38:38.485
Love the guy. Rightfully so.
990
00:38:39.085 --> 00:38:42.045
'cause I mean, I, I don't know,
991
00:38:42.165 --> 00:38:43.925
I still think the most talented racing
992
00:38:43.925 --> 00:38:45.565
driver on earth right now.
993
00:38:46.345 --> 00:38:49.445
Oh, for sure. Um, I, I like him as a dude.
994
00:38:49.485 --> 00:38:50.805
I think he's a good dude. But
995
00:38:51.555 --> 00:38:54.525
that was not a good look getting told to
996
00:38:55.715 --> 00:38:58.125
seat a position to George Russell late in the race.
997
00:38:58.465 --> 00:39:00.005
And as he let George Russell
998
00:39:00.185 --> 00:39:01.805
by just like rolled off the brakes
999
00:39:01.945 --> 00:39:04.245
and intentionally crashed into him.
1000
00:39:04.865 --> 00:39:07.565
Now they both continued. It was two laps to go.
1001
00:39:07.565 --> 00:39:08.685
George got the place back
1002
00:39:08.865 --> 00:39:12.245
and fine Max deservedly so got a penalty.
1003
00:39:13.145 --> 00:39:17.005
But man, like that's, you just can't,
1004
00:39:17.065 --> 00:39:20.085
you just can't do that stuff man. And
1005
00:39:20.085 --> 00:39:21.565
Now he's only one point away from
1006
00:39:21.565 --> 00:39:22.805
having a race band. Right.
1007
00:39:23.305 --> 00:39:25.565
That's the other thing. I don't know when the first points
1008
00:39:25.565 --> 00:39:27.165
come off his license, but he's literally one point.
1009
00:39:27.165 --> 00:39:30.845
Could you imagine if the reigning world champion?
1010
00:39:31.275 --> 00:39:33.165
Well here's the thing.
Misses a race
1011
00:39:33.625 --> 00:39:34.625
Now.
1012
00:39:34.625 --> 00:39:34.925
Who the fuck are they putting
1013
00:39:34.985 --> 00:39:35.985
in?
. .
1014
00:39:40.235 --> 00:39:43.045
That is such a good point, man. Of all of it.
1015
00:39:43.105 --> 00:39:45.165
The most, the craziest thing about it is
1016
00:39:45.165 --> 00:39:46.365
they're literally out of drivers.
1017
00:39:46.745 --> 00:39:49.725
And I don't, I don't even know where you'd start. Yeah.
1018
00:39:50.185 --> 00:39:54.045
Hey, hey Dan. Be one more, one more. Yeah. . Sorry pal.
1019
00:39:54.045 --> 00:39:57.685
We need one more outta you. The beard. That's a great point.
1020
00:39:58.165 --> 00:39:59.565
I don't even know who's reserved for them anymore.
1021
00:39:59.885 --> 00:40:02.325
'cause they just keep pushing guys into race seats. So,
1022
00:40:02.505 --> 00:40:04.605
Or death
Or, yeah.
1023
00:40:04.605 --> 00:40:09.405
Or, or, and their careers. Um, yeah, that's a great point.
1024
00:40:09.625 --> 00:40:11.445
So, or is Max at the point where he is like,
1025
00:40:11.525 --> 00:40:12.965
I don't think we're gonna win this championship.
1026
00:40:13.245 --> 00:40:15.885
I got a new kid at home. I'll just, I'm just gonna go like,
1027
00:40:15.945 --> 00:40:18.645
cut the track at Montreal, get a five second penalty
1028
00:40:18.745 --> 00:40:21.485
and one penalty point, and then take the next Dick Austria
1029
00:40:21.485 --> 00:40:23.605
off and just hang out with the wife
1030
00:40:23.605 --> 00:40:26.205
and kid for a weekend play
1031
00:40:26.205 --> 00:40:27.205
More.
1032
00:40:27.205 --> 00:40:29.925
I racing. He is that level of, of uh, not giving a fuck.
1033
00:40:30.185 --> 00:40:35.005
Um, you bring up a, I don't know that you were trying
1034
00:40:35.005 --> 00:40:37.645
to make this connection, Tim, but you bring up a good point.
1035
00:40:37.965 --> 00:40:40.765
I do wonder how much of that was subconscious,
1036
00:40:40.765 --> 00:40:41.925
something he does in I racing
1037
00:40:42.745 --> 00:40:45.725
and it just, it just leaked out into real life
1038
00:40:45.875 --> 00:40:48.525
because we know how much time he spends on the sim
1039
00:40:48.525 --> 00:40:49.685
and how he lives on the sim.
1040
00:40:50.165 --> 00:40:51.685
I could very easily see like,
1041
00:40:51.685 --> 00:40:53.085
you get penalties in iRacing too.
1042
00:40:53.685 --> 00:40:56.525
I could very easily see him doing that as his like,
1043
00:40:56.525 --> 00:40:57.565
oh, I gave the place back.
1044
00:40:57.745 --> 00:41:01.365
So the, the AI computer shows that the car was in front you.
1045
00:41:02.085 --> 00:41:04.605
I just wonder if it was like a snap in his head.
1046
00:41:04.875 --> 00:41:06.805
It's more like, yeah, just like the, it's just,
1047
00:41:06.805 --> 00:41:07.845
it's it's reps, right?
1048
00:41:07.845 --> 00:41:08.925
Like it's muscle memory.
1049
00:41:08.995 --> 00:41:11.805
Like in I racing people do like that all the time. Mm-hmm .
1050
00:41:11.945 --> 00:41:13.445
And I mean, they shouldn't do it there either,
1051
00:41:13.705 --> 00:41:16.245
but much, much, much lower, uh, video cost.
1052
00:41:16.245 --> 00:41:17.685
Video. Yeah, exactly. Much lower penalty.
1053
00:41:18.305 --> 00:41:21.565
But, uh, yeah, I mean, he came out apologized
1054
00:41:21.565 --> 00:41:23.325
for it. It's still, I mean,
1055
00:41:23.585 --> 00:41:24.585
The next day.
1056
00:41:24.835 --> 00:41:27.445
Yeah. And like, even, even the Apology wasn't the best,
1057
00:41:28.105 --> 00:41:30.525
but, um, yeah, I don't know man.
1058
00:41:30.525 --> 00:41:32.365
That's a, that's a tough one. And the fact again,
1059
00:41:32.365 --> 00:41:33.445
the fact that he's one point away
1060
00:41:33.535 --> 00:41:35.125
Still love him, it's fine.
1061
00:41:35.265 --> 00:41:36.725
Uh, he's, there's no way he's gonna,
1062
00:41:36.745 --> 00:41:39.285
he he's gonna be walking on eggshells now. Uh, no.
1063
00:41:39.545 --> 00:41:42.845
God no.
I want to, I mean, I didn't watch the race,
1064
00:41:43.225 --> 00:41:46.685
but I mean, holy shit, Oscar man,
1065
00:41:47.275 --> 00:41:48.565
he's it.
1066
00:41:48.835 --> 00:41:52.805
He's, he's the guy And that is, that is mind boggling
1067
00:41:52.805 --> 00:41:57.285
to say, um, just because of a, how good Lando is and b
1068
00:41:57.285 --> 00:41:58.725
because it's his third year.
1069
00:41:58.995 --> 00:42:00.725
Yeah. That's, and all of the questions
1070
00:42:00.725 --> 00:42:03.805
that were surrounding him, rightfully so.
1071
00:42:04.985 --> 00:42:07.125
Not because any fault of his own.
1072
00:42:07.125 --> 00:42:09.485
Like it's a lot to learn and that's a lot to take in, right.
1073
00:42:09.485 --> 00:42:11.325
Especially when you're at the pointy end
1074
00:42:11.345 --> 00:42:14.085
and you're being analyzed on every single decision you make.
1075
00:42:14.085 --> 00:42:16.765
And every single phase of the weekend is being critiqued.
1076
00:42:17.235 --> 00:42:20.605
Like he has risen to the occasion and above on all of them.
1077
00:42:20.635 --> 00:42:22.845
Like all it was all going into this year.
1078
00:42:22.845 --> 00:42:25.805
Like, so in 2024 it was like, alright, you gotta figure out
1079
00:42:25.805 --> 00:42:27.645
how to match Lando in race pace.
1080
00:42:28.825 --> 00:42:30.005
You kind of sorted that out.
1081
00:42:30.025 --> 00:42:32.325
But it was like pretty weak and qualified, not weak,
1082
00:42:32.385 --> 00:42:35.445
but Lando had his number on qualifying going in 2025.
1083
00:42:36.025 --> 00:42:38.485
You gotta, you gotta be in front of Lando
1084
00:42:38.485 --> 00:42:39.725
to be on the preferred strategy now
1085
00:42:39.725 --> 00:42:40.845
that you got the race pace figured out.
1086
00:42:40.925 --> 00:42:42.165
'cause you're not just gonna drive around him.
1087
00:42:42.755 --> 00:42:45.285
Tick that box. It's incredible. Is rated of development.
1088
00:42:45.785 --> 00:42:49.285
And what I wanna like draw attention back to is,
1089
00:42:49.405 --> 00:42:51.685
'cause like he, you know, he's won five races now this year.
1090
00:42:52.085 --> 00:42:54.245
I, I don't remember if he's won them all from Pole,
1091
00:42:54.305 --> 00:42:56.525
but he's pretty much has won them all for Pole, right?
1092
00:42:56.525 --> 00:42:58.525
Like you drive away, you're in the, you're in a good car,
1093
00:42:58.905 --> 00:43:01.125
you have pole, you drive away and it's fine.
1094
00:43:01.945 --> 00:43:04.605
But there's been a lot of drivers that have been in
1095
00:43:04.605 --> 00:43:06.685
that position that once they're back in the <inaudible>
1096
00:43:06.825 --> 00:43:08.005
and they've gotta scrap it out.
1097
00:43:08.035 --> 00:43:09.925
They don't have the racecraft the same way.
1098
00:43:10.385 --> 00:43:13.605
But because he wasn't just up there like the last two years,
1099
00:43:13.635 --> 00:43:15.165
he's proven his racecraft is incredible
1100
00:43:15.225 --> 00:43:17.885
and his, his passing, his ability to overtake when he needs
1101
00:43:17.885 --> 00:43:20.525
to is I would say on par with the best out there.
1102
00:43:21.265 --> 00:43:23.885
You know, better than Lando on par
1103
00:43:23.885 --> 00:43:25.845
with Max on par with Alonzo.
1104
00:43:26.045 --> 00:43:28.245
'cause he's pulled off some pretty stout moves
1105
00:43:29.345 --> 00:43:33.245
and um, if he ever has to mix it up,
1106
00:43:33.345 --> 00:43:34.725
we know he is perfectly capable.
1107
00:43:35.065 --> 00:43:36.085
He hasn't really had to do it.
1108
00:43:36.265 --> 00:43:37.485
He just lives, he doesn't,
1109
00:43:37.585 --> 00:43:39.165
he has no peaks and valleys right?
1110
00:43:39.435 --> 00:43:43.005
That guy's, that guy's natural mentality is so even keeled
1111
00:43:43.755 --> 00:43:45.885
that he doesn't go up and down.
1112
00:43:46.515 --> 00:43:48.405
It's just he lives at this level
1113
00:43:48.745 --> 00:43:51.685
and what he's done is he's just raised that level so high
1114
00:43:51.685 --> 00:43:53.805
that it's now at a point where you can qualify and poll
1115
00:43:53.805 --> 00:43:55.045
and win Formula One races.
1116
00:43:55.145 --> 00:43:57.445
So it's really, really impressive to watch.
1117
00:43:58.315 --> 00:44:00.125
It's gotta be kind of frustrating and,
1118
00:44:00.125 --> 00:44:01.765
and getting to the point where it's frustrating
1119
00:44:01.765 --> 00:44:03.965
for Lando it's, it's five wins to two.
1120
00:44:04.375 --> 00:44:06.165
Still a lot of racing to go, no doubt.
1121
00:44:06.705 --> 00:44:10.225
But, um, yeah man, it's, it's gonna be interesting to see
1122
00:44:10.225 --> 00:44:11.585
how these two kind of fight it
1123
00:44:11.585 --> 00:44:12.665
out over the rest of the year.
1124
00:44:13.325 --> 00:44:16.265
Um, and what, you know, does that change Lando
1125
00:44:16.445 --> 00:44:17.505
for the better or for the worse?
1126
00:44:17.505 --> 00:44:20.745
Right? Does that make him find another gear and step it up
1127
00:44:21.245 --> 00:44:23.425
or does that start just eating away at 'em
1128
00:44:23.425 --> 00:44:24.985
and actually forcing 'em into more mistakes?
1129
00:44:25.525 --> 00:44:27.545
You know, it's, uh, it's gonna
1130
00:44:27.545 --> 00:44:28.665
be interesting to see how that plays out.
1131
00:44:28.855 --> 00:44:31.290
That all said, everybody's got a week off.
1132
00:44:31.525 --> 00:44:32.565
F one's not racing next week.
1133
00:44:32.665 --> 00:44:33.925
Any car's not racing next week?
1134
00:44:34.745 --> 00:44:36.365
How are you spending your time
1135
00:44:37.345 --> 00:44:39.365
Off with my kid? It's weird to say.
1136
00:44:39.795 --> 00:44:42.205
It's weird to say 'cause like, especially on here,
1137
00:44:42.335 --> 00:44:44.605
we've only been talking about it for like a couple weeks.
1138
00:44:45.325 --> 00:44:47.605
Hmm.
Even though we knew it was coming for a while.
1139
00:44:48.105 --> 00:44:50.805
Um, so you're just hanging out at home and
1140
00:44:51.925 --> 00:44:53.205
Changing
Diapers and Yeah, we're not, yeah,
1141
00:44:53.205 --> 00:44:54.205
We're gonna hang at home, man.
1142
00:44:54.205 --> 00:44:58.185
Like this is, uh, June is a,
1143
00:44:58.305 --> 00:45:02.265
a fairly easy month, um, relative to July and August.
1144
00:45:02.405 --> 00:45:04.425
You know, it's, we have the first one off,
1145
00:45:04.425 --> 00:45:05.705
then two in a row, then weekend off,
1146
00:45:05.765 --> 00:45:09.225
and then, you know, hell's Fury comes upon us. ,
1147
00:45:10.005 --> 00:45:11.345
Um, also known as July,
1148
00:45:11.675 --> 00:45:12.675
Right?
1149
00:45:12.675 --> 00:45:14.825
So we are, yeah, we're just gonna chill at home this weekend
1150
00:45:15.365 --> 00:45:17.705
and recoup and get into a rhythm.
1151
00:45:18.165 --> 00:45:20.785
Um, and then Gateway, uh, we'll talk about it next week,
1152
00:45:20.885 --> 00:45:23.425
but super pumped about that night race.
1153
00:45:23.475 --> 00:45:26.225
Prime time Sunday night tv. Yeah. It's gonna be badass.
1154
00:45:26.285 --> 00:45:29.825
So, uh, yeah, lots to look forward to.
1155
00:45:30.255 --> 00:45:34.585
Very exciting. I, um, decided to not take the weekend off.
1156
00:45:35.605 --> 00:45:39.465
Uh, I'm heading out to Western Canada to, uh,
1157
00:45:40.255 --> 00:45:44.225
Jacques Vov track out there for, uh, appreciation Day
1158
00:45:44.225 --> 00:45:46.945
for all the members out there at Area 27 went last
1159
00:45:46.945 --> 00:45:48.145
year was good fun.
1160
00:45:48.475 --> 00:45:49.905
Becky was supposed to come this year.
1161
00:45:49.915 --> 00:45:51.185
Becky went ahead and got a job.
1162
00:45:52.165 --> 00:45:55.505
So Becky's up in Toronto area working. Yeah. Yeah.
1163
00:45:55.765 --> 00:45:57.025
So again, she again
1164
00:45:57.025 --> 00:45:58.025
Had to bail again.
1165
00:45:58.025 --> 00:45:58.905
I don't, I I don't know why you live it.
1166
00:46:01.745 --> 00:46:03.385
M gonna have what? I bleep that out. .
1167
00:46:04.485 --> 00:46:05.585
See? Yeah, see.
1168
00:46:06.495 --> 00:46:07.505
Yeah. No, I know.
1169
00:46:07.815 --> 00:46:10.345
It's, uh, it's weird having, it's weird having a house.
1170
00:46:10.575 --> 00:46:12.945
It's just like a big hotel room at this point.
1171
00:46:13.285 --> 00:46:16.345
Um, and a laundry stop. But it's funny.
1172
00:46:16.345 --> 00:46:18.785
So Becky's working and she took Lucy, her little dog
1173
00:46:18.785 --> 00:46:20.505
with her, but I've got Sully the big guy.
1174
00:46:20.605 --> 00:46:22.665
And so the boys are just kind of hanging out this week,
1175
00:46:23.045 --> 00:46:24.425
having fun, going on walks.
1176
00:46:24.425 --> 00:46:25.465
We're gonna go swimming tomorrow.
1177
00:46:25.465 --> 00:46:28.025
We're gonna get in the pool. In the pool. So yeah.
1178
00:46:28.025 --> 00:46:30.585
So I'll be out there, uh, driving cars and,
1179
00:46:30.645 --> 00:46:31.865
and chatting people and,
1180
00:46:31.865 --> 00:46:34.585
and hanging with, with jv, which is actually cool.
1181
00:46:34.585 --> 00:46:36.185
He was like one of my childhood heroes growing up.
1182
00:46:36.185 --> 00:46:38.785
And it's fun to like get to bull about the good old days.
1183
00:46:38.825 --> 00:46:40.065
I love talking to old racing drivers
1184
00:46:40.065 --> 00:46:42.145
because like, I realize I am one now,
1185
00:46:42.285 --> 00:46:43.905
but older ones than me.
1186
00:46:44.945 --> 00:46:46.585
'cause they've got cool stories. Uh,
1187
00:46:46.645 --> 00:46:48.305
not like Hunter Ray old, that's just like, no,
1188
00:46:48.805 --> 00:46:49.825
you got nothing in common with him.
1189
00:46:49.825 --> 00:46:52.305
Mm-hmm . Like, it's weird, um, trying to talk to him.
1190
00:46:52.805 --> 00:46:55.265
But, uh, yeah man, that's, that's the weekend.
1191
00:46:55.325 --> 00:46:57.465
So excited to go out there. Gonna miss Becky.
1192
00:46:57.925 --> 00:46:59.865
Uh, wish she was coming, but she's working hard.
1193
00:47:01.615 --> 00:47:04.625
Miss Becky, I think we'll all miss, miss Becky. Don't
1194
00:47:04.625 --> 00:47:05.625
Worry.
1195
00:47:05.625 --> 00:47:06.785
She'll be back soon and then we'll all hang out.
1196
00:47:06.785 --> 00:47:08.425
We'll come visit little, little Benji.
1197
00:47:09.345 --> 00:47:12.865
Hmm.
Little, uh, little, little benjay.
1198
00:47:14.165 --> 00:47:15.665
Tim won't be there, right? No.
1199
00:47:15.665 --> 00:47:18.505
Oh,
I'm coming. God, no. I've love babies. It
1200
00:47:18.745 --> 00:47:22.305
Was nice getting to Tim's mom's place and stepdad's place
1201
00:47:22.305 --> 00:47:23.345
and seeing them and playing some
1202
00:47:23.345 --> 00:47:24.665
bocce the other day. That was fun.
1203
00:47:24.965 --> 00:47:27.705
All right, well see you guys next week. God
1204
00:47:27.705 --> 00:47:30.885
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1205
00:47:30.885 --> 00:47:32.445
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1206
00:47:32.445 --> 00:47:34.765
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1208
00:47:36.325 --> 00:47:38.565
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