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This is off track
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Gross.
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Way worse than dc.
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Oh God. It's just terrible. It's awful. Well,
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Why would you do that to yourself? It tastes
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Like, it tastes like, um, river water.
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Carbonated river water. Um, how do you
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Know what river water tastes like? Because
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I've been in Geist a lot.
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Fair touche.
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Um, what was I gonna say?
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Because it's the only free sodas available here, so
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No, that makes me so upset.
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I mean, a diet Coke.
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Literally, beggars can't be choosers.
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, uh, okay, so it's the only free diet pop
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where you are. Where are you?
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I am in a hotel lounge in San Francisco. James,
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A hotel lounge in San, why aren't you in a hotel room?
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Because it's too early to check in.
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We've had this conversation. I feel like even though they
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have rooms available, the four people in front of me,
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they checked in and then I got there
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smiled and was like, hi.
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She's like, oh yeah, it'll be four o'clock.
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Sweet. I'm sure you this, I'm
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To you a lot. I feel like
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Always, I, I was literally just telling my dad,
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I don't think I've ever, I,
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I can't remember the last time I was allowed
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to check into a room before 4:00 PM
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That's strange, man.
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I feel like I get pretty lucky with that.
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I feel like I've, I mean, I've definitely, like,
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even if it's 50% of the time, that's not bad.
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Oh dude, I'm, I'm 0% of the time.
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That's crazy.
And it's like, it's a Monday.
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Like, come on, you ain't
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Full.
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Yeah. It feels like they're just doing that
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to exert some power over you, which
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Is weird considering I do have quite a lot of status.
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Yeah. You're still, I mean, that's a curly chicken.
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Yeah. I feel like you've been flagged.
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I feel like you did something.
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It's not eight to some room
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and you've been flagged at all Bonvoy
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properties or something.
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I don't think it's, I don't think I've done anything
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to a room, but I probably, I don't know someone
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Off.
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I see it just based on how we've traveled in the past. , you
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Probably of all, first of all, Tim,
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those were Hilton and Hyatt properties. Very
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different
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I just, I'm, I'm just thinking about Texas
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And mostly it's you.
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Yeah. But they don't know that, right? Yeah.
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Like they don't get there and clean the room after
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and be like, this must have been his friend,
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Right?
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No, they would've been like, we saw
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the two of them checking in.
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It definitely was the other one.
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Yeah.
Yeah. Why, why?
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I have a question about hotels
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while we're talking about travel.
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Um, how come like
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so many hotels put the hair dryer into a bag?
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Hmm.
Why are, why are hair dryers bagged everywhere?
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Not everywhere, but like a lot of places
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Probably because the, on that it look, it looks more
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Like if it's in a easier
Throw the bathtub, I guess.
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Okay.
I mean, if it's not plugged in,
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that's just a waste of a hair dryer,
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so you gotta take it outta the bag anyway.
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Mm-hmm. I don't know.
Seems weird, right?
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Yeah. Why, why are you messing
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around with hair dryers, James?
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No, I'm not, but I just noticed it. Oh, okay.
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Like I, you just, I just, the other day I, my hotel in
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Portland.
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Thank you.
Or Hungary.
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Oh my God. No, it was Portland.
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I don't know that Europe does free blow
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dryers probably have to pay like five euro,
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The white one.
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But yeah, I just saw it sitting and I
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was like, why is it in a bag?
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And then sometimes it's like in a bag
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that even has hair dryer written on it.
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In case someone comes to another country
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where they don't just keep their hair dryers in bags.
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They'd be like, oh, that's where the hair dryer is.
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Sure. Yeah.
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Well, sometimes you see 'em when they're like,
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So why don't they, why don't they do different languages?
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Well, it's just it, if you're not familiar
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and you don't naturally know that that's the hair
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Jack your host.
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What if you don't speak it? I'm not
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Open this, I'm not gonna open this weird soft black bag.
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Correct. I know.
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I feel like if I was in a, if I was in a country
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where I didn't speak the language,
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I'd go rifling through everything.
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Just outta curiosity.
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What would you do when you got to the Bible?
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Well, other than read it cover
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to cover like I do every night.
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Right?
, Sam, do you not dry your hair
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or does you just let that air dry?
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Does it take a full day?
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This is gonna sound really bad,
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but like I've just now started putting stuff
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in my hair after I shower. I've, it doesn't,
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Doesn't surprise me at all.
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35 years of not being that
Usually it looks
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Horrible.
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I didn't think you were doing it now.
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It hasn't changed the look.
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If that makes you feel worse.
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I didn't do it today. I didn't
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Do it today.
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Oh. I don't know. It's got some more shine
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and texture to it than usual.
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But, but so sorry. You didn't answer the question though.
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Do you, do you blow dry your hair or do you just air dry it?
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Just air dry it. Well, I mean towel
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and the air dry. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah.
So
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Just, you got so much of it.
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It wasn't, I wasn't sure if you needed like,
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outside assistance.
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It takes a while.
While we're on the topic of hair,
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hair, lube, hair,
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Lube, .
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This was just games getting around to asking for some
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No.
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Does
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Some hair
If girls,
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Yeah, I know what I got it. Get
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Extensions, girls get extensions.
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Mm-hmm . That hair is dead, right?
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Yeah. It's like, what do you mean dead?
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Well, it's not, it's no longer attached
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to a living organism.
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Yeah.
Yes.
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So how does it stay looking alive?
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Because like if I were to cut, if I were
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to cut a leaf off my plant, it wouldn't stay green.
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Right? So leaves the hair are not the same. But if hair,
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The hair doesn't lose its color.
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Right? Yeah. Like it's not just sitting there.
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No. But it's getting, it's getting some form, some
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Kind of nutrient or something
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Nutrient from the body.
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That's how it grows.
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Yes. When it grow it grows from here.
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It grows from here out.
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So it's like getting something new.
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You think? Think, I don't
Think it's like, sure.
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You gotta think of hair like fingernails, right? Yeah.
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You flip off your fingernail.
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It looks the same as when it was attached. It's just, it
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Doesn't, it gets, it gets yellow. It grows. Does
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It?
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I've never kept fingernail clippings
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around long enough to, to
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Know that.
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It definitely does. It gets smaller and yellow and
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Dude, like, this is why like they've got locks
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of people's hair from like 500 years.
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Hair doesn't No. My right. That's great point.
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I was just wondering if like, if, if like you were
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to get hair extensions mm-hmm.
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Do you need like, some sort of vitamin
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serum lube ointment to keep it
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like, I don't, don't think so.
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No. I think you would just like wa
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because you're, you're already using like shampoo
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and conditioner on your regular hair.
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Here's how, here's how I, this thought came up.
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Um, I just flew,
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That was gonna be my follow up
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I just flew, um,
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I literally was on a plane under an hour ago
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and the lady sitting next to me, um,
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most definitely had hair extensions
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because not only was her hair all over my shoulders,
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but her legs were also in my side
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of the little cub foot cubby thing. Yeah.
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You sent a picture. I'm gonna include it right now. Yeah.
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Just so you people. Yeah. She had some,
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She had some boundary issues.
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Oh, it's, and not only was her hair on me
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and her leg in my space,
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but like, at least she also took up both armrests
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and she wasn't like, this wasn't, was
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She in the middle?
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She was in the middle,
Yes.
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Then those are her armrests. That's fine. You
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Get armrest.
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But that's not, it's not her shoulder
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and it's not her foot. That's
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Fair.
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That's her foot. Well, the fact
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that her leg was in your foot well is just mind blowing to
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Me. That was, that was insane. That was
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insane.
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And, and I, and I went over to like wake her up
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and she was sleep mask on passed out.
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And this wasn't like a, this wasn't like a giant,
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this wasn't a huge person.
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This was a normalized human being.
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It's not like Yeah, she was seven feet tall and like, okay.
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You could have some sympathy.
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Like this was just, it's a normal five foot seven lady
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anyways, so with very long hair,
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So, okay.
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And then, and then my favorite part of it,
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my favorite part of it couldn't wake up.
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I wasn't gonna wake her up. It was a too
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A hundred percent what? I woke her up.
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So my favorite part was we land
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and the seatbelt sign comes off and she gets up
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and climbs over the person sitting on the aisle.
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No. Like no one has gotten up.
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Is this,
This just getting up. Yeah.
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Was this the, the person's first day in public,
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was she one of those situations
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Where she was this in the jungle?
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Is she, I dunno. Raised by wolves.
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Yeah. Has she ever been assimilated into society
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Also?
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Well, maybe not. Because also, um, I was on the window seat
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and I had the shade open
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and she wanted to take pictures on an early morning flight.
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Great. It was 11:00 AM
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Oh, okay. Yeah.
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It's
That's fair. Midday.
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It's perfectly okay to have a shade.
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I think, I think we should make, make it more normal
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to have windows open on
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Midday flights.
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And she, she was, she was leaning over me
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to get her phone on the window to take picture.
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Did she ask first? No.
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This is either my least favorite
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or my absolute favorite person.
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And I can't, I
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I, I don't, I'm very clear on which
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one that is for me. Very
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Clear.
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I'm, I'm like leaning real hard,
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towards least favorite person.
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But I kind of wanna meet her
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because I also just wanna meet somebody like
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It, does any of it seem freeing in a way?
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It seems freeing in a way, but also seems like a really good
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way to get stabbed at some point. Yeah.
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I feel like she just, if she needs
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to take a <inaudible> some more, she just lets it out.
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She just doesn't, she doesn't need
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to follow any of society's rules.
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That's what, that's
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That's a big stent.
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That's a large leap.
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She's climbing over you. She's in your footwell. I mean,
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Over me public.
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I don't think that's, I don't it's a linear, well, I don't
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That is the logical next step
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That is No, there's is where
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From I to come to San F.
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We did come to San Francisco. So maybe Tim has a point.
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There is normally a lot of human poop on
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the sidewalk in San Francisco. That's true.
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Like, more, more than there should be given the size
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of the city and the population. Yeah.
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Now on the topic of human feces, on sidewalks,
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and say Portland has actually really cleaned,
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its sacked up quite a bit.
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Interesting. 'cause I disagree completely.
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Yeah, I know you said that.
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'cause you got out there earlier than I did
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and you sent us a text that you were getting harassed
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by somebody.
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Something in a state of Oh,
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A guy
Influence, shall we say?
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Yeah. Yeah. Um, but we stayed downtown
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and dude, I gotta say from from my four days
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or whatever there I saw way less open crack
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smoking on the sidewalk.
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That's interesting. Because me
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and Brian Simpson, our buddy
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thought it was exponentially worse than last year.
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Really?
Yes.
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Oh wow. They must have all just like re congregated in
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a different area or something?
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Potentially,
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because I don't know, I don't know
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where you guys were staying in relation to
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where we were staying, but yeah, we all,
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we all made the note that it was like surprisingly
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clean and horrible.
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Yeah. Oh wow.
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So like it digressed. I didn't see
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A single intravenous needle.
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I didn't see a single person, you know, lighting up a pipe.
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I saw, I saw a couple people that looked like, yeah,
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they didn't have a super comfy bed to sleep in, but hey
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Brian, Brian saw a guy die on the street.
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Excuse me. Brian saw a guy die on the street
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This weekend.
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Yeah.
How did I spent most of last night with Brian?
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How did this, what happened?
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I don't know. Well, he killed, I mean, I don't know that,
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I don't know that he died or so much
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as passed out on the street, but Fair
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Anyways.
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So he was just what?
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Just walking and stopped walking or was laying
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and stopped breathing or
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What?
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No, he was, he was using substances.
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Mm-hmm . And then passed out.
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Oh yeah. He was just, he was just having a great time.
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Right. Anyways, we don't need to talk about that anymore.
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Okay. Oh yeah.
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I was, I did want to have that conversation though.
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'cause I remember what you had said in your text
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and then I was like, man, it was nice
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sir, where we were. But
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Eh, well we should recap
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what everybody wants to hear about.
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Um, I saw Jurassic Park on Friday.
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Still good as there a new
One or the original?
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No, sorry. I saw the original on Friday. Got
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It.
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Is there a new one? It was good.
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Yeah. There's a new Jurassic
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World. Looks terrible. Terrible.
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I just hate that they're taking these movie franchises
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and just literally squeezing every
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ounce of life out of them.
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Like, it makes me not even like you
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Originally.
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Yeah. How about, how about were like
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Six Tarn movies in the 1920s.
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Like, we've always been doing this.
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We're just, it's more noticeable now. It's because
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That was the only idea in the 1920s.
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Um, how about the fact
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that F1 became the highest grossing sports movie
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in movie history,
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Sports film of all time. Yeah. Now look,
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Adjusted for inflation.
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No, of course. I was gonna say
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there's always caveats to that right?
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Population
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It would be cars too. So
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Just say it's easy now for it to be like,
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get made more in theaters when like,
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the average ticket price now is like $26.
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Okay. Tim. But there's no movies
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that come out all the time and they're not winning
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the most gross movies. It's
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Still impressive.
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I was just say, it's probably not the highest grossing
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sports movie of all time adjusted for inflation.
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It's Brad Pitt's highest grossing one. I bet.
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I I bet you're completely wrong.
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What do you think is Higher Air
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Bud?
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Probably. That looks great.
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There's nothing in the F1 handbook
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that says a dog can't have a super license
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as long as he's not American .
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As long as he doesn't raise Cindy car.
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Um, well you look that up Tim.
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Um, wait, what were we just talking about?
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Oh yeah, it was Brad's Peace was Brad Pitt's highest
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grossing film of all time. I mean's
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Is crazy mean? That's crazy when you think about that.
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Yeah, that's, that is crazy.
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Like some of the movies, I mean Ocean's 11,
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Rocky, let's just talk about that.
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When adjusted for Inflation,
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Rocky from 1976 is the highest grossing
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sports movie of all time. But
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Wait, when was that report done?
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'cause this just happened like last week. You
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Need to ask the robots.
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Don't Google. Yeah. You need to ask Chad GPT.
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Yeah, you you're looking it up and it's psychia.
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I get, there's like everybody who's like, oh,
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I'm not gonna use ai
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'cause of like ethical reasons,
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which there's like some pretty strong arguments,
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but it's impossible to not use ai.
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You're using it.
Don't realize it. Even
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Google stuff, even when Oh yeah.
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I mean they, it's called Gemini.
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What's Gemini?
Google's Chad. GBT.
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Oh, you know when Google something
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Now that pops up and it says Yeah, it's, yeah.
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Yeah. That's Gemini old GM cricket.
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Oh man. Okay. They're counting some real interesting stuff
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on the Wikipedia page as sports movie.
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They're saying Inside Out Two is a sports movie that's not
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Okay. Of course. Count
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As sports movie.
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No, he did play football and ping pong
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And run. It's
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Counting all of the Fast
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and the Furious movies as sports movies.
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Oh God. Okay.
Okay. You can stop,
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Stop. Yeah. Dumb.
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Either way. Ones killing it.
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F one's doing well for itself.
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We can, we can all agree on that.
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Like, let's be honest. Um, you know, I bet
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F1 would also get bumped for the
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CFL of golf.
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No, no, no. Hang on, hang on, hang on.
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Okay, so now we're in Portland and
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Big Fox guy coming out to defend
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Fox.
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Big Fox guy coming out to explain television.
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When, when you're, when you're doing live
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sports, things happen.
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Mm-hmm . Everything can go long. Soccer games go long.
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Football games go long.
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Pretend golf goes long, racing goes long. Right.
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If we were before Liv Golf
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and we had, you know, 13 cautions
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because of turn one at Portland
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and the race took 26 minutes longer than our scheduled
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network window, guess what?
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You would end up watching golf 26 minutes later.
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That's just kind of how it works.
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Like in some cases there are opportunities to bounce things
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to different networks, but you had a three-way playoff,
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like an exciting end to something.
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They weren't gonna take that off
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of the network to miss the start.
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That's completely fair
To catch the start. That's fine.
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And what the other thing that I wanna throw out there is I,
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I, IndyCar deserves a ton of credit
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because we actually delayed the start of the race in person,
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the start time at the track, even for all the fans
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that were there to help accommodate coming on air late so
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that way we could try to get the start on television.
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So credit to Indy Carr for getting that done.
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Fox did what Eddie and every network
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does when you're dealing with live sports.
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These things just happen. Um, so we, the,
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the start was still on tv,
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it was just on the a different channel.
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Then we switched over to the main channel for
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what was ended up being a pretty exciting
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end to a race. How
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Does it, how does it, how does it make you feel?
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And you kind of just brought this up in your explanation.
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How does it make you feel that, uh,
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ever since you stopped racing IndyCar we have no
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issue getting through turn one. Oh it's not great. Yeah.
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It kind of feels like maybe you were
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The problem.
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No, I feel like you were probably the issue. Yeah.
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Yes. The data would suggest that that is is a thing. Yeah,
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I'm just saying.
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Yeah. Um, I am just like, so why
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Are we so bad at turn one?
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Yeah. Like it's pretty straightforward corner.
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It feels like
Turn.
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So one of the things that we do Yeah.
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Here at Portland is always play replays
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and packages of replays of crashes in turn one to highlight.
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Sure. The potential. Right.
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And one of the ones they love, love showing um,
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is 2021. Which
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I mean you did break pretty
Early is a great
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example of what's that?
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You broke pretty early
Dude.
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I was in the middle of the corner when Rojan came from
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400 meters back.
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Completely out of control. Well
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Maybe if you had
Broken and wiped me out
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400 meters later and would've,
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I would also have not made the
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corner
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Yeah. But only one to find out.
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I still didn't so I guess it doesn't really matter.
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I'll never forget the one
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that got me the most was actually in 2019
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because 2018 was the year I think that I ended up, no, hang
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On.
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Was it 18 the year Dixon was in the, the dust cloud with
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Marco?
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Yeah, I think it was 'cause Yeah
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'cause he won the championship that year.
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So yeah, so 2018, that one was like, I made it to turn three
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and then Veech and I got together
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and caused that whole thing.
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But the next year, uh, 19. Yeah.
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'cause we didn't go in 20. So in 19,
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I'll never forget I qualified, I don't know,
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eight-ish or something like that.
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And I was just so hell bad on getting 51
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'cause I was so mad about the year before
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and I'm driving around and I look and dude, I'm not kidding.
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I had four, five car lengths in front of me.
519
00:18:29.515 --> 00:18:30.675
I had five car lengths
520
00:18:30.675 --> 00:18:32.795
behind me somehow it was like an early start
521
00:18:32.815 --> 00:18:34.875
and I just happened to be all alone on an island.
522
00:18:35.015 --> 00:18:37.875
And I was like, thank God at least I can get through.
523
00:18:37.875 --> 00:18:39.795
Turn one. And I hit the brakes
524
00:18:40.015 --> 00:18:43.155
and sure enough, I think it was Graham fired Veach into me
525
00:18:43.375 --> 00:18:44.475
mid corner and one again.
526
00:18:44.475 --> 00:18:46.315
And I was just like, how did I get hit?
527
00:18:46.495 --> 00:18:49.235
How did I get hit when there was nobody anywhere near me?
528
00:18:49.495 --> 00:18:52.435
And he watched the replay gram's like right sides on the
529
00:18:52.435 --> 00:18:56.115
white line and just pla just misses it completely. Just
530
00:18:56.465 --> 00:18:57.075
Dominos again. I
531
00:18:57.075 --> 00:18:58.315
Think it,
He broke later
532
00:18:58.535 --> 00:18:59.535
To me.
533
00:18:59.535 --> 00:19:01.115
Alex, that sounds like it was James's fault. Is that
534
00:19:01.475 --> 00:19:03.315
Honestly, is that how you
Read it as a, an
535
00:19:03.315 --> 00:19:04.315
Expert?
536
00:19:04.315 --> 00:19:05.315
There's a lot of things he could have done
537
00:19:05.315 --> 00:19:06.635
different. He could have not turned
538
00:19:07.235 --> 00:19:08.635
I could way through.
539
00:19:08.935 --> 00:19:12.435
He could have broken later. And speaking of not turning
540
00:19:12.495 --> 00:19:16.075
and breaking later, it's a pretty good segue into some drama
541
00:19:16.665 --> 00:19:18.315
that went on during the Portland race.
542
00:19:19.025 --> 00:19:22.555
Yeah. Lot of not turning going on there. Um, okay.
543
00:19:22.735 --> 00:19:24.595
Or or breaking.
So we're just
544
00:19:24.595 --> 00:19:25.675
done talking about Jurassic
545
00:19:25.675 --> 00:19:26.675
Park.
.
546
00:19:29.295 --> 00:19:31.035
What's your favorite character in Jurassic Park?
547
00:19:31.695 --> 00:19:32.695
All
Of 'em. The
548
00:19:32.695 --> 00:19:33.595
dinosaur
?
549
00:19:34.295 --> 00:19:35.635
No, it's gotta be Jeff Gold Single.
550
00:19:36.365 --> 00:19:37.755
Gotta be Jeff
Goldblum mean.
551
00:19:37.755 --> 00:19:39.795
I just love, and I was kidding about talking about
552
00:19:39.795 --> 00:19:40.915
Jurassic Park, but now I will.
553
00:19:41.395 --> 00:19:43.195
I just love that multiple times in the eighties
554
00:19:43.195 --> 00:19:45.795
and nineties there were film executives that had to say,
555
00:19:46.295 --> 00:19:49.115
get me the raw sex appeal of Jeff Goldblum.
556
00:19:50.095 --> 00:19:51.195
And like it worked.
557
00:19:51.875 --> 00:19:53.475
I gotta be honest with you, I'm not sure
558
00:19:53.475 --> 00:19:54.675
that's the line they went with,
559
00:19:54.815 --> 00:19:56.995
but we'll never know. Are you kidding me? Um,
560
00:19:56.995 --> 00:19:58.515
He, when he is got his shirt open
561
00:19:58.615 --> 00:20:02.755
and he is just kind of like laying there like that off off.
562
00:20:04.095 --> 00:20:05.835
So you can tell we're recording early in the week
563
00:20:05.835 --> 00:20:07.235
because Tim is swearing a
564
00:20:07.235 --> 00:20:08.955
lot 'cause he knows he's got time to edit.
565
00:20:09.075 --> 00:20:10.315
I got time. I got time. Yeah.
566
00:20:10.675 --> 00:20:11.875
another good time. Alright,
567
00:20:11.965 --> 00:20:13.995
let's do our usual format here of Alex.
568
00:20:14.055 --> 00:20:17.115
You tell us about how your day went because it was a
569
00:20:17.115 --> 00:20:19.395
or weekend and because it was a good weekend.
570
00:20:19.775 --> 00:20:20.915
It was, it was good.
571
00:20:21.295 --> 00:20:26.265
It was much needed after a very hard July
572
00:20:26.845 --> 00:20:28.145
and some of June.
573
00:20:29.885 --> 00:20:33.985
Um, but it just goes to highlight like how,
574
00:20:35.865 --> 00:20:39.525
how straightforward your life can be versus
575
00:20:40.025 --> 00:20:42.285
how hellish your life can be when like,
576
00:20:42.285 --> 00:20:45.605
you start the weekend and the car is in a good window car
577
00:20:45.945 --> 00:20:48.605
and it's just like, it's pretty easy to drive
578
00:20:48.825 --> 00:20:50.645
and it's predictable
579
00:20:51.225 --> 00:20:54.405
and it does most things well
580
00:20:54.465 --> 00:20:55.645
and you kind of are just having
581
00:20:55.645 --> 00:20:57.325
to tune on little things here and there.
582
00:20:57.985 --> 00:21:01.015
But like in general, you know what you have. Right?
583
00:21:01.115 --> 00:21:04.735
And so as conditions change, which, um, you know,
584
00:21:04.735 --> 00:21:06.655
you're always gonna get on IndyCar weekends,
585
00:21:06.655 --> 00:21:09.615
but especially in Portland, you know, it it it,
586
00:21:09.755 --> 00:21:13.095
it officially was the hottest Portland GP on record
587
00:21:13.315 --> 00:21:14.415
at 97 degrees.
588
00:21:15.435 --> 00:21:19.895
Um, historically this is a track that is, you know, the 63
589
00:21:19.915 --> 00:21:21.895
to 72 degree type temp.
590
00:21:22.635 --> 00:21:25.255
Um, Friday wasn't that warm.
591
00:21:25.595 --> 00:21:27.095
It was sunny, but it wasn't that warm.
592
00:21:27.855 --> 00:21:29.215
Saturday morning was pretty cool,
593
00:21:29.225 --> 00:21:31.255
still qualifying heated up.
594
00:21:32.035 --> 00:21:35.175
So I guess my point with all that is like, even
595
00:21:35.235 --> 00:21:37.295
as conditions are changing pretty drastically,
596
00:21:37.295 --> 00:21:38.695
like the car didn't really change.
597
00:21:38.875 --> 00:21:40.895
It was right, it was just the same.
598
00:21:40.895 --> 00:21:44.255
Like your time might be scaled differently depending on the
599
00:21:44.415 --> 00:21:45.575
ultimate performance that was available,
600
00:21:45.675 --> 00:21:47.775
but like the balance wasn't swapping ends on you
601
00:21:47.775 --> 00:21:48.855
and any and, and everything.
602
00:21:48.995 --> 00:21:52.495
So, um, yeah, I mean that, that was really cool.
603
00:21:52.755 --> 00:21:57.655
Uh, I didn't really do a great lap, um, in round two.
604
00:21:59.235 --> 00:22:02.935
Um, and so we missed transferring by a hundredth, which
605
00:22:04.675 --> 00:22:06.695
was a little disappointing because I do think we had a
606
00:22:06.695 --> 00:22:10.055
pretty good shot at the front row, maybe top three-ish.
607
00:22:10.315 --> 00:22:12.415
Um, I thought our single out pace was pretty good.
608
00:22:12.645 --> 00:22:15.815
What it did mean though was with Christian
609
00:22:16.405 --> 00:22:17.855
lung guard's engine penalty.
610
00:22:18.455 --> 00:22:19.775
I started sixth anyways
611
00:22:20.115 --> 00:22:23.335
and I actually had an extra set of the alternate tire.
612
00:22:23.515 --> 00:22:25.295
We knew it was gonna be an alternate tire race.
613
00:22:26.355 --> 00:22:30.695
Um, so yeah, it, uh, qualifying was successful.
614
00:22:32.195 --> 00:22:34.615
We knew that it was an alternate race, so we knew
615
00:22:34.615 --> 00:22:35.895
that we wanted to start on primes.
616
00:22:36.355 --> 00:22:40.615
Um, 85% of the grid started on primes, so a lot
617
00:22:40.615 --> 00:22:42.415
of people were kind of thinking the same thing.
618
00:22:43.435 --> 00:22:46.575
Um, and the race was,
619
00:22:46.635 --> 00:22:50.175
was fairly straightforward except for as always in Portland
620
00:22:50.885 --> 00:22:53.655
there's always enough incidents that seemed to happen
621
00:22:54.075 --> 00:22:56.615
to make it go between a,
622
00:22:57.005 --> 00:22:59.255
well in this case a four stop and a three stop.
623
00:22:59.275 --> 00:23:00.495
But really a, a two stop
624
00:23:00.495 --> 00:23:02.495
and a three stop if you take out the,
625
00:23:02.595 --> 00:23:04.055
the fake stops under yellow.
626
00:23:04.795 --> 00:23:08.495
Um, and so we, we opted for
627
00:23:09.675 --> 00:23:11.575
the same strategy as most of the guys.
628
00:23:12.075 --> 00:23:13.455
Um, there was in front of us.
629
00:23:13.515 --> 00:23:18.215
So it was myself, um, lard, Patto,
630
00:23:18.345 --> 00:23:21.375
Felix, Lucas Dixon, we all kind
631
00:23:21.375 --> 00:23:24.135
of took the, the Connor yellow.
632
00:23:24.755 --> 00:23:26.575
Um, and we knew that we could get home
633
00:23:26.575 --> 00:23:27.735
on on two more from there.
634
00:23:28.875 --> 00:23:32.055
Um, there were some other guys that stayed out below power.
635
00:23:32.915 --> 00:23:34.855
Um, some other guys had taken the first yellow,
636
00:23:34.955 --> 00:23:37.975
but ultimately what it meant was there was, there was cars
637
00:23:37.975 --> 00:23:40.975
that were having to save to, to do it on two more
638
00:23:40.975 --> 00:23:42.255
and then there was cars that were kind
639
00:23:42.255 --> 00:23:43.575
of flat out through the whole race.
640
00:23:44.275 --> 00:23:46.285
Um, I don't think, think there was one clear strategy
641
00:23:46.285 --> 00:23:47.765
that was better than the other as you saw.
642
00:23:47.845 --> 00:23:49.725
I mean you had the top three cars were all on
643
00:23:49.805 --> 00:23:51.045
a slightly different strategy.
644
00:23:51.785 --> 00:23:53.925
Um, and they all finished on top of each other.
645
00:23:54.185 --> 00:23:56.725
So, um, I thought it was,
646
00:23:57.025 --> 00:23:58.765
it was a cool race from that standpoint.
647
00:23:59.865 --> 00:24:03.685
And yeah, we finished fifth, so the best result of the year,
648
00:24:03.955 --> 00:24:07.885
it's really annoying that it took until the basically three
649
00:24:07.905 --> 00:24:09.445
to go to get something like that.
650
00:24:09.645 --> 00:24:11.685
'cause we've been in position for, for that for a while.
651
00:24:11.745 --> 00:24:14.485
But, um, yeah, like I said, it was just a nice bounce back
652
00:24:14.505 --> 00:24:18.085
and, and good, good morale boost for, for the team.
653
00:24:21.625 --> 00:24:23.005
And Ed took all the credit
654
00:24:23.005 --> 00:24:25.525
because he was the strategist on the 20 car
655
00:24:25.545 --> 00:24:26.645
for the first time this weekend.
656
00:24:26.905 --> 00:24:28.045
And uh, he was someone,
657
00:24:28.225 --> 00:24:30.525
He was
Strategery type race.
658
00:24:30.915 --> 00:24:32.685
Yeah, yeah, no, he called a great race.
659
00:24:32.825 --> 00:24:36.845
Um, for those that don't know, ed, um, took over the,
660
00:24:37.095 --> 00:24:39.845
those duties from, from Tim Boyles, um,
661
00:24:40.705 --> 00:24:42.165
for no reason other than
662
00:24:42.935 --> 00:24:44.165
we're getting towards the end of the year.
663
00:24:44.545 --> 00:24:47.405
Um, the off season is, is fast approaching.
664
00:24:47.405 --> 00:24:48.645
There's not many races left.
665
00:24:49.135 --> 00:24:51.085
We're in a critical time in terms of trying
666
00:24:51.085 --> 00:24:54.405
to grow the organization, trying to hire people, trying
667
00:24:54.405 --> 00:24:56.365
to really get aggressive on that front.
668
00:24:57.105 --> 00:25:00.365
Um, so it was better suited for Tim,
669
00:25:00.655 --> 00:25:05.205
who's ultimately the president of VCR to be focused on that.
670
00:25:05.915 --> 00:25:09.565
Also have more of an oversight on both cars, um,
671
00:25:09.615 --> 00:25:10.965
throughout the weekend to,
672
00:25:10.985 --> 00:25:12.845
to identify strengths and weaknesses.
673
00:25:13.425 --> 00:25:16.565
Um, because as you can imagine, if you're just on one car
674
00:25:16.565 --> 00:25:17.845
for the weekend, like you're,
675
00:25:17.845 --> 00:25:19.645
you've got tunnel vision on the 20 car,
676
00:25:19.645 --> 00:25:21.645
you don't really know what's going on on
677
00:25:21.705 --> 00:25:22.725
on the other side of the garage.
678
00:25:22.905 --> 00:25:27.245
So, um, this was, this is not a permanent kind of solution,
679
00:25:27.425 --> 00:25:29.565
but um, at least for the end of the year, uh,
680
00:25:29.565 --> 00:25:32.525
it's what's happening going forward is, is Ed's on my car,
681
00:25:32.525 --> 00:25:34.045
which obviously is pretty plug
682
00:25:34.045 --> 00:25:36.965
and play considering the relationship him I already have.
683
00:25:37.475 --> 00:25:39.725
Yeah, I'm sure it's pretty seamless
684
00:25:39.865 --> 00:25:40.885
to transition that. Yeah,
685
00:25:40.885 --> 00:25:41.725
Very easy. Yeah.
686
00:25:42.265 --> 00:25:44.645
So is it, is it like, is it a really,
687
00:25:44.725 --> 00:25:46.725
I know you said it's a morale booster to kind of get that,
688
00:25:46.725 --> 00:25:48.685
that first top five of the season,
689
00:25:49.145 --> 00:25:51.485
but is it, is it more like from your side, is it,
690
00:25:51.485 --> 00:25:53.765
is it relief or is it still kind of like a little bit
691
00:25:53.765 --> 00:25:56.245
of frustration because it's like, yeah, no, we got it,
692
00:25:56.245 --> 00:25:57.805
but like I don't wanna celebrate this too much
693
00:25:57.805 --> 00:25:59.085
because we've been in positions
694
00:25:59.085 --> 00:26:00.245
to do it. It just hasn't happened
695
00:26:00.355 --> 00:26:02.005
Neither for me neither.
696
00:26:02.475 --> 00:26:05.125
Okay. I think it's, I think it's just for the organization.
697
00:26:05.195 --> 00:26:08.605
Like we haven't, we haven't had
698
00:26:09.355 --> 00:26:10.485
good results on paper.
699
00:26:10.535 --> 00:26:13.165
We've had good races going, um, but
700
00:26:13.165 --> 00:26:15.285
before this, like our best result was eighth
701
00:26:15.385 --> 00:26:18.045
and that was thermal like a long time ago.
702
00:26:18.045 --> 00:26:19.445
Oh wow. Yeah. Yeah, right.
703
00:26:19.705 --> 00:26:22.685
So, um, it feels like a different season, right?
704
00:26:23.025 --> 00:26:26.725
So we've had, we've had races going where, you know,
705
00:26:26.725 --> 00:26:30.285
we thought it was gonna be in contention for podium thought,
706
00:26:30.465 --> 00:26:33.285
you know, the 500 we were in contention for, for more than
707
00:26:33.285 --> 00:26:35.765
that, plenty of races where we were in contention for,
708
00:26:35.865 --> 00:26:37.085
you know, top five, top six
709
00:26:37.185 --> 00:26:39.245
and nothing ever ever came of it.
710
00:26:39.345 --> 00:26:44.235
So I think it's just, especially when it's,
711
00:26:45.165 --> 00:26:46.905
you are with the team for the first time
712
00:26:47.765 --> 00:26:49.625
or for the first year, like it, there's a little bit
713
00:26:49.625 --> 00:26:52.225
of like, everyone's like, ah, we can still do this.
714
00:26:52.475 --> 00:26:55.465
Right, right. I think it's, it's that sort of thing.
715
00:26:55.485 --> 00:26:57.585
So yeah, I guess relief is is a fair word,
716
00:26:57.645 --> 00:27:01.395
but from my side it's more just like it was,
717
00:27:01.855 --> 00:27:04.235
and it's so often we talk about it like it was the first
718
00:27:04.595 --> 00:27:08.115
complete weekend we've had like just everything went
719
00:27:08.435 --> 00:27:09.675
smoothly from start to finish.
720
00:27:09.725 --> 00:27:13.475
There was no glaring errors or issues or, or whatever.
721
00:27:13.475 --> 00:27:16.075
And it just was, the car started off in a good spot.
722
00:27:16.455 --> 00:27:18.515
We executed qualifying despite kind
723
00:27:18.515 --> 00:27:19.675
of a red flag coming out.
724
00:27:20.335 --> 00:27:23.275
Um, we chose the right strategy in the race
725
00:27:23.735 --> 00:27:25.595
or at least the right strategy for us in the race.
726
00:27:26.255 --> 00:27:29.915
Pit stops were great. Like we beat the nine car out.
727
00:27:30.065 --> 00:27:33.275
Like just everything was filing, firing on all cylinders.
728
00:27:33.935 --> 00:27:35.475
Yes. I, you, you bring up Dixon.
729
00:27:35.515 --> 00:27:37.755
I was gonna say like, it was, for me watching,
730
00:27:37.935 --> 00:27:40.915
it was a really impressive run because you
731
00:27:40.915 --> 00:27:42.795
and Dixie were on the same strategy, which
732
00:27:43.395 --> 00:27:45.235
ultimately ended up, meaning you guys had
733
00:27:45.235 --> 00:27:46.435
to do a little bit more fuel saving
734
00:27:46.435 --> 00:27:47.475
than some of the other guys.
735
00:27:48.375 --> 00:27:50.395
And in the pits the team performed
736
00:27:50.395 --> 00:27:53.075
and on track, like you, you kind of out Dixie Dixie, right?
737
00:27:53.075 --> 00:27:54.275
Like that's, that's his bread
738
00:27:54.275 --> 00:27:56.275
and butter is those races where you gotta keep the pace up
739
00:27:56.275 --> 00:27:58.155
but save fuel and that's usually when he is
740
00:27:58.155 --> 00:27:59.235
able to make a lot of headway.
741
00:27:59.255 --> 00:28:01.875
But you stayed in front of him, I mean the entire race,
742
00:28:01.875 --> 00:28:03.235
like you kind of had him on your
743
00:28:03.235 --> 00:28:04.675
gearbox until he got his penalty.
744
00:28:04.935 --> 00:28:06.675
So that must be kind of a relief
745
00:28:07.025 --> 00:28:09.075
because you know, we, we do talk about
746
00:28:09.075 --> 00:28:11.195
how it seems like Honda's got a bit of a mileage advantage,
747
00:28:11.335 --> 00:28:14.755
but you stayed in front of him pace wise,
748
00:28:15.255 --> 00:28:16.355
pitted on the same lap.
749
00:28:16.415 --> 00:28:17.835
So it it was really strong.
750
00:28:17.945 --> 00:28:20.355
Yeah, I mean the thing is you gotta, now that's great.
751
00:28:20.415 --> 00:28:21.635
That's, that's gotta back it up
752
00:28:21.665 --> 00:28:26.395
Like,
Well no, I, it's more, you know, in video games
753
00:28:26.645 --> 00:28:28.595
where there's varying levels of bosses
754
00:28:29.065 --> 00:28:30.065
Yeah.
755
00:28:30.065 --> 00:28:32.755
Like, okay, so we beat this one boss, right?
756
00:28:33.335 --> 00:28:36.115
But then there's the big, big giant boss, right.
757
00:28:36.115 --> 00:28:38.355
Then that's
His boss's gonna take you. Right.
758
00:28:38.985 --> 00:28:41.675
It's gonna take you many, many attempts to beat.
759
00:28:41.985 --> 00:28:43.075
Yeah. So a lot of
760
00:28:43.085 --> 00:28:45.595
Reset buttons required, like
I said, it was a good day.
761
00:28:45.685 --> 00:28:47.115
Happy for the team. Um,
762
00:28:48.295 --> 00:28:53.275
and we will take some positivity going into Milwaukee,
763
00:28:53.635 --> 00:28:55.635
Nashville where I I know will be strong. So
764
00:28:55.825 --> 00:28:57.955
From an outsider, one of the like relationships
765
00:28:57.955 --> 00:29:00.475
that's always interesting to me is between the driver
766
00:29:00.655 --> 00:29:01.915
and whoever's on their radio.
767
00:29:02.455 --> 00:29:04.195
So like having a relationship with Ed
768
00:29:04.195 --> 00:29:05.595
that goes back years now
769
00:29:05.695 --> 00:29:07.075
and is outside of racing,
770
00:29:07.615 --> 00:29:10.235
was there anything unexpected having him call the race?
771
00:29:10.375 --> 00:29:12.475
Or was it just all
772
00:29:12.475 --> 00:29:13.475
Speaks out?
773
00:29:13.475 --> 00:29:15.435
No, because here's the thing, like we, we talk on the radio
774
00:29:15.505 --> 00:29:18.235
with each other in an airplane as much as we do .
775
00:29:18.855 --> 00:29:23.115
Got it.
Not on a radio. So like no, there it like, no,
776
00:29:23.295 --> 00:29:25.275
It just felt it was completely locked in
777
00:29:25.275 --> 00:29:27.235
because I did, I don't know, it's always interesting to me
778
00:29:27.235 --> 00:29:32.005
because like I give a driver as much leeway
779
00:29:32.005 --> 00:29:34.285
as possible for any of the stuff they say on the radio
780
00:29:34.285 --> 00:29:35.845
during a race because I'm,
781
00:29:35.845 --> 00:29:37.205
I've never been in that situation. I don't,
782
00:29:37.315 --> 00:29:38.315
Good thing you don't work from a
783
00:29:38.315 --> 00:29:39.965
Adrenaline flying and things like that.
784
00:29:40.235 --> 00:29:42.525
Yeah, exactly. So like, but uh,
785
00:29:42.525 --> 00:29:43.565
but also you are one
786
00:29:43.565 --> 00:29:45.645
of the calmest people on the radio if I'm
787
00:29:45.645 --> 00:29:46.725
like listening in on stuff.
788
00:29:46.745 --> 00:29:48.365
So I guess it's less of an issue for you,
789
00:29:48.505 --> 00:29:51.125
but I would make me nervous if it was like my friend,
790
00:29:51.545 --> 00:29:53.405
my boss and all these different stuff.
791
00:29:53.405 --> 00:29:54.405
Doesn't matter,
792
00:29:55.235 --> 00:29:56.235
Alex.
793
00:29:56.235 --> 00:29:57.805
I can tell that it's easy. My, my bigger thing is I,
794
00:29:57.965 --> 00:30:00.965
I would love to have loved to have heard that at some 0.1
795
00:30:00.965 --> 00:30:02.645
of you ended a radio transmission
796
00:30:02.645 --> 00:30:03.965
with like November five, November eight,
797
00:30:03.965 --> 00:30:05.005
five, Mike, Mike, Mike . That
798
00:30:05.005 --> 00:30:06.965
Would've been hilarious. . You
799
00:30:06.965 --> 00:30:08.485
Guys just talk to each other and ending every
800
00:30:08.485 --> 00:30:09.525
combination with your tail number.
801
00:30:09.835 --> 00:30:13.485
Well we kept, so he always, he always says, um,
802
00:30:14.275 --> 00:30:16.005
like Roger and I always say copy.
803
00:30:16.155 --> 00:30:19.285
Yeah. Like on in the airplane
804
00:30:19.945 --> 00:30:23.085
and during the race we were alternating back and forth .
805
00:30:23.945 --> 00:30:26.045
So he would say copy and I'd say Roger
806
00:30:26.105 --> 00:30:28.005
and then he'd switch to Roger and I'd say Copy .
807
00:30:29.305 --> 00:30:31.365
So
We're kind of digging with each other a little bit.
808
00:30:32.825 --> 00:30:34.165
And then, then there's someone
809
00:30:34.165 --> 00:30:35.485
who chucks in and write him ten four,
810
00:30:36.255 --> 00:30:37.255
Right?
811
00:30:37.255 --> 00:30:38.805
Yeah. Affirmative.
Yeah.
812
00:30:38.985 --> 00:30:43.445
That's funny. Um, all right, so the race itself, we'll get
813
00:30:43.445 --> 00:30:44.965
to the end 'cause that was the exciting bit.
814
00:30:45.065 --> 00:30:47.405
But um, there was a, there was, well
815
00:30:48.845 --> 00:30:51.625
Tino's accident on like the first lap was kind of strange.
816
00:30:51.705 --> 00:30:53.945
I dunno if you saw the replay that Alex, he like got loose
817
00:30:54.845 --> 00:30:56.465
off the last corner, but he just like,
818
00:30:56.565 --> 00:30:58.385
he just stayed buried in it.
819
00:30:58.765 --> 00:31:01.585
And I guess he was, I assume he was maybe trying to spin it
820
00:31:01.585 --> 00:31:02.865
around kind of once he was going,
821
00:31:02.925 --> 00:31:04.585
but it was, when you watch the onboard,
822
00:31:04.585 --> 00:31:07.665
it's like he has a moment which often happens coming onto
823
00:31:07.665 --> 00:31:10.345
the front trade of Portland but just
824
00:31:10.345 --> 00:31:11.465
didn't crack the throttle.
825
00:31:11.465 --> 00:31:12.905
I don't know if he was trying to drive out of it
826
00:31:12.925 --> 00:31:14.865
or like had already felt like he lost it
827
00:31:14.865 --> 00:31:16.345
and was trying to bury it and spin it around.
828
00:31:16.565 --> 00:31:18.025
It just sounded, it sounded kind of weird.
829
00:31:18.285 --> 00:31:20.385
But that was a big hit on a concrete
830
00:31:20.525 --> 00:31:23.025
and you know, he was lucky he wasn't a couple feet earlier.
831
00:31:23.025 --> 00:31:24.625
It would've been right in the end of the attenuator
832
00:31:24.625 --> 00:31:27.865
and that would've been a much more uncomfortable incident.
833
00:31:28.925 --> 00:31:32.625
Um, and then, yeah, and then the 21
834
00:31:33.125 --> 00:31:35.705
and the 76 Raz
835
00:31:36.045 --> 00:31:39.745
and Connor started a little lap and a half.
836
00:31:40.285 --> 00:31:42.905
We like to call that a <inaudible> swinging contest.
837
00:31:43.765 --> 00:31:46.705
Yes. That is pretty accurate. That is pretty accurate.
838
00:31:47.245 --> 00:31:49.865
So first incident at least
839
00:31:49.865 --> 00:31:53.305
that we saw on TV was the turn seven one Thoughts,
840
00:31:54.365 --> 00:31:55.805
questions, concerns on that one?
841
00:31:56.345 --> 00:32:00.505
Um, yeah,
842
00:32:01.145 --> 00:32:02.545
teammate, uh, and friend.
843
00:32:02.765 --> 00:32:06.065
Um, here's, here's what I will say is reality
844
00:32:07.365 --> 00:32:10.745
and it's, it's understandable I guess.
845
00:32:11.125 --> 00:32:13.345
Um, but Connor
846
00:32:13.645 --> 00:32:16.825
and Reus both race Christian
847
00:32:16.825 --> 00:32:19.985
and I really hard Connor, and, and it's, it's obvious
848
00:32:20.245 --> 00:32:21.245
But Oh, okay.
849
00:32:21.245 --> 00:32:23.105
Got it. Got it. Yeah. Understand.
850
00:32:23.165 --> 00:32:27.745
And so there is some like unspoken tension that exists
851
00:32:28.205 --> 00:32:30.305
and it's even like during practice.
852
00:32:30.855 --> 00:32:32.825
Yeah. Yeah. Like it's, when it's,
853
00:32:33.145 --> 00:32:34.905
whenever you come out with one of those cards,
854
00:32:34.905 --> 00:32:36.185
you're like, great.
855
00:32:37.075 --> 00:32:38.505
Right. Not because you don't,
856
00:32:39.205 --> 00:32:40.925
I have nothing against Reina or Connor.
857
00:32:41.195 --> 00:32:42.485
Yeah, yeah. But Reina and Con
858
00:32:42.485 --> 00:32:44.165
and they don't have anything against me or Christian.
859
00:32:44.415 --> 00:32:45.765
Right. I hear
Connor, I now,
860
00:32:46.305 --> 00:32:48.885
but they both have something pretty severely
861
00:32:48.885 --> 00:32:50.405
against the organization.
862
00:32:50.835 --> 00:32:54.885
Yeah. Um, so I will say that, so the fact that this incident
863
00:32:55.445 --> 00:32:58.205
happened doesn't really surprise me just based on
864
00:32:58.205 --> 00:33:02.085
that the Turn seven situation is, is a tough one
865
00:33:02.595 --> 00:33:06.645
because Christian Christian's car doesn't have an onboard
866
00:33:06.645 --> 00:33:09.125
for Fox, but there's team onboards, right?
867
00:33:09.865 --> 00:33:13.285
And what happened to him was a very similar situation to
868
00:33:13.285 --> 00:33:15.165
what happened with Rojan
869
00:33:15.165 --> 00:33:17.765
and I in mid Ohio, for those of you that remember
870
00:33:17.765 --> 00:33:20.525
that whole shindig.
871
00:33:20.615 --> 00:33:24.085
Right. And it stems from,
872
00:33:24.265 --> 00:33:26.245
and we've talked about this plenty of times on the podcast.
873
00:33:26.425 --> 00:33:27.765
It stems from the fact that
874
00:33:28.805 --> 00:33:31.425
ultimately in IndyCar you are allowed to kind
875
00:33:31.425 --> 00:33:33.385
of open your hands and, and run the car out.
876
00:33:34.015 --> 00:33:37.185
That, that, that's the precedent that's been set.
877
00:33:37.285 --> 00:33:38.705
We don't need to get into the rhyme
878
00:33:38.705 --> 00:33:39.865
or reason as to how we got there.
879
00:33:40.855 --> 00:33:44.065
What happened in this case with Christian was his,
880
00:33:44.805 --> 00:33:49.455
his front left tire hit in a kind of a weird angle
881
00:33:49.755 --> 00:33:51.175
to Connor side pot and stuff
882
00:33:51.175 --> 00:33:52.455
and it ripped the wheel out of his hands.
883
00:33:53.195 --> 00:33:57.695
So the, the the the overhead shot of you seeing
884
00:33:58.405 --> 00:34:01.055
Christian drive Connor out
885
00:34:02.105 --> 00:34:03.975
while taking himself off the racetrack
886
00:34:03.975 --> 00:34:05.175
wasn't an intentional move.
887
00:34:05.175 --> 00:34:07.015
Like he wasn't turning into him out there.
888
00:34:07.235 --> 00:34:08.495
His hand was off the wheel for a second.
889
00:34:08.515 --> 00:34:11.495
By the time he regained control of the car
890
00:34:11.635 --> 00:34:13.695
and was coming off Connor, they were both out there.
891
00:34:14.395 --> 00:34:17.975
So what started as an intentional, I'm gonna open my hands
892
00:34:17.995 --> 00:34:19.255
and run this guy wide,
893
00:34:19.755 --> 00:34:22.375
turned into a much more dramatic looking
894
00:34:22.775 --> 00:34:24.495
incident than it was.
895
00:34:24.695 --> 00:34:27.655
A lot of people were comparing it to Santino
896
00:34:27.655 --> 00:34:30.575
and Connor in mid Ohio where Santino got a penalty.
897
00:34:31.155 --> 00:34:34.655
The difference was Tino's hands didn't come off the wheel.
898
00:34:35.175 --> 00:34:36.575
Remember over the crest in turn five
899
00:34:37.025 --> 00:34:39.175
where Santino drove himself off the curb?
900
00:34:39.175 --> 00:34:41.455
Oh yes, yes.
Yeah. To push Connor off. Yeah. Yeah.
901
00:34:41.455 --> 00:34:43.575
Santino was actively driving out there. Yep.
902
00:34:43.835 --> 00:34:44.935
In this case, Christian
903
00:34:45.075 --> 00:34:47.215
for a split second wasn't actually in control of the car.
904
00:34:47.835 --> 00:34:50.215
So there wasn't, so
905
00:34:50.665 --> 00:34:51.895
Lemme just, lemme just jump in there
906
00:34:51.895 --> 00:34:52.895
because you say like, that's the
907
00:34:52.895 --> 00:34:54.575
reason he didn't get a penalty. 'cause his hands didn't,
908
00:34:54.575 --> 00:34:55.695
I don't, I don't know, I don't
909
00:34:55.695 --> 00:34:57.175
know if that's the reason he didn't get a penalty. I'm
910
00:34:57.575 --> 00:34:58.615
Assuming I was saying because Right.
911
00:34:58.995 --> 00:35:01.175
But IndyCar don't have access to
912
00:35:01.175 --> 00:35:04.015
that onboard footage in real time. Great
913
00:35:04.015 --> 00:35:05.095
Point. Didn't even think about that.
914
00:35:05.635 --> 00:35:07.335
So like they would've seen the same
915
00:35:07.505 --> 00:35:08.935
exact same shots that we did.
916
00:35:09.245 --> 00:35:10.335
Good point. And very again,
917
00:35:10.395 --> 00:35:13.605
and I think I even said on the broadcast, I I,
918
00:35:15.085 --> 00:35:17.005
I get that that's how the rules have developed.
919
00:35:17.025 --> 00:35:18.885
And I be, I'm just so firmly against
920
00:35:18.905 --> 00:35:20.525
how the rules are written because
921
00:35:20.545 --> 00:35:21.645
it allowed <inaudible> like that.
922
00:35:21.705 --> 00:35:23.205
So let's say, let's say he,
923
00:35:23.305 --> 00:35:25.245
his hands don't, don't come off the wheel.
924
00:35:25.465 --> 00:35:26.765
He still was gonna push Connor clean
925
00:35:26.925 --> 00:35:28.005
off the race rack, right?
926
00:35:28.005 --> 00:35:29.645
Yeah. Connor was wheel to wheel,
927
00:35:29.705 --> 00:35:31.685
if not frankly a tiny bit ahead.
928
00:35:32.095 --> 00:35:33.485
Right. And so I just,
929
00:35:33.485 --> 00:35:35.965
it just eliminates good side-by-side racing.
930
00:35:36.065 --> 00:35:37.370
It eliminates guy's abilities
931
00:35:37.465 --> 00:35:38.525
to do that in corners like that.
932
00:35:38.525 --> 00:35:40.245
And corners like turn five at mid Ohio
933
00:35:40.275 --> 00:35:41.525
corners, like turn five at Barber.
934
00:35:41.635 --> 00:35:45.845
Yeah. But James, we, it's not your job as a driver to
935
00:35:46.465 --> 00:35:48.765
create good racing if that No, no.
936
00:35:49.225 --> 00:35:51.845
Is not in your best interest based on the rule book is
937
00:35:51.865 --> 00:35:53.885
That's why I'm saying I I, I said the broadcast,
938
00:35:53.965 --> 00:35:55.925
I don't like how the rule is written and I Right.
939
00:35:55.925 --> 00:35:57.085
Okay. I hope that that's something
940
00:35:57.085 --> 00:35:59.005
that we can address maybe in the off season
941
00:35:59.035 --> 00:36:00.045
just because of that.
942
00:36:00.465 --> 00:36:02.205
So anyway, what what it then led
943
00:36:02.205 --> 00:36:03.605
to was both guys were super pissed
944
00:36:03.625 --> 00:36:05.125
and driving Red Mist style.
945
00:36:06.645 --> 00:36:09.885
Connor did one of the most NASCAR moves I've ever seen in
946
00:36:10.065 --> 00:36:12.565
the, she came just like in between turn one
947
00:36:12.565 --> 00:36:15.205
and two was firing it over the curb and like dooring him.
948
00:36:15.355 --> 00:36:18.205
It's the best that se best is to take a NASCAR turn.
949
00:36:18.225 --> 00:36:21.045
He doored him in turn two, which I thought was hilarious. .
950
00:36:21.955 --> 00:36:24.365
Yeah.
Because it didn't affect either one of them
951
00:36:24.365 --> 00:36:26.005
and like they stayed in the same position.
952
00:36:26.005 --> 00:36:28.005
Like it was so like was it uncalled for it? Yes.
953
00:36:28.005 --> 00:36:29.205
But it was also kind of funny in the moment,
954
00:36:29.905 --> 00:36:31.925
but then, yeah, the one, two, uh,
955
00:36:32.075 --> 00:36:35.205
into 10 little less funny. How do you see that one
956
00:36:35.725 --> 00:36:37.125
Probably gonna get myself in trouble for saying
957
00:36:37.125 --> 00:36:38.765
this A racing incident.
958
00:36:40.755 --> 00:36:43.245
Yeah. Obviously that's how IndyCar looked at it, right?
959
00:36:44.115 --> 00:36:45.845
Yeah.
Um, I
960
00:36:45.845 --> 00:36:47.645
Mean because here here's here's the thing.
961
00:36:49.625 --> 00:36:54.055
Um, there is a rule now
962
00:36:54.635 --> 00:36:57.815
the rule in its intent was written.
963
00:36:59.075 --> 00:37:03.455
The rule is the overtaking car has the majority
964
00:37:03.555 --> 00:37:05.655
of the responsibility to avoid conduct.
965
00:37:06.765 --> 00:37:10.535
That rule is really set up for if you're diving up the
966
00:37:10.535 --> 00:37:13.775
inside of someone, you can't like door them
967
00:37:13.835 --> 00:37:15.975
off, right?
968
00:37:17.845 --> 00:37:21.295
When you're on the outside, it's much of a rarer situation
969
00:37:21.525 --> 00:37:23.655
that this would occur.
970
00:37:24.395 --> 00:37:28.975
But the view I saw was Christian was like
971
00:37:29.635 --> 00:37:32.055
inside of the turn 10 apex, like there was dust
972
00:37:32.055 --> 00:37:34.295
that came up on the turn 10 Apex group.
973
00:37:36.725 --> 00:37:38.775
This wasn't a situation where again,
974
00:37:38.875 --> 00:37:41.895
he didn't turn into Connor, like Connor was,
975
00:37:42.155 --> 00:37:44.335
was was making a, a good move.
976
00:37:44.475 --> 00:37:47.895
He did the same thing on Colton, um, around the outside
977
00:37:48.845 --> 00:37:51.055
into 10, which we'll just set him up on the inside of 11.
978
00:37:52.075 --> 00:37:54.775
The difference is Christian's, not Colton,
979
00:37:56.235 --> 00:37:59.615
and we know this like Christian we've seen this year,
980
00:37:59.615 --> 00:38:00.815
especially on the ovals.
981
00:38:00.815 --> 00:38:02.015
Like he, he don't care.
982
00:38:02.405 --> 00:38:05.295
Like he is, he's coming through, he's gonna pass you
983
00:38:05.875 --> 00:38:06.895
and his car control
984
00:38:07.635 --> 00:38:10.895
and ability to not crash, backs it up.
985
00:38:11.955 --> 00:38:14.735
And so of all the people that you're gonna try
986
00:38:14.735 --> 00:38:18.775
and roll the outside of, he ain't that guy in my mind.
987
00:38:19.035 --> 00:38:21.215
So, so I I I get everything you're saying
988
00:38:21.355 --> 00:38:22.535
and I agree with everything you're saying.
989
00:38:22.995 --> 00:38:25.695
The, the two points that I wanna make are
990
00:38:26.325 --> 00:38:28.335
Christian has developed a reputation
991
00:38:28.355 --> 00:38:30.615
for being very flamboyant in his
992
00:38:30.615 --> 00:38:32.055
overtakes, especially on the ovals.
993
00:38:32.475 --> 00:38:33.895
Uh, and not a guy to back out.
994
00:38:34.275 --> 00:38:36.465
And you say that he's pulling it off
995
00:38:36.525 --> 00:38:38.185
and so you can't really argue with it.
996
00:38:38.645 --> 00:38:40.305
I'm gonna argue that he's pulling it off.
997
00:38:40.425 --> 00:38:42.225
'cause other guys are giving him the room, right?
998
00:38:42.425 --> 00:38:44.545
'cause they know that he's not going to do that.
999
00:38:44.845 --> 00:38:46.905
And so they're like, I'm not even gonna fight
1000
00:38:46.905 --> 00:38:48.025
this. I'm gonna go let it go.
1001
00:38:48.135 --> 00:38:49.465
Okay. That's the same thing
1002
00:38:49.465 --> 00:38:52.585
that Santino gets celebrated for. So I,
1003
00:38:53.335 --> 00:38:55.945
I've never ever celebrated any driver for that.
1004
00:38:56.445 --> 00:38:58.425
People used to refuse that same thing of Kuma.
1005
00:38:58.565 --> 00:39:00.305
That's the same thing a lot of, a lot of people do.
1006
00:39:00.755 --> 00:39:02.145
Right? Fine. So,
1007
00:39:02.285 --> 00:39:06.385
but my point is it like, yeah, he, he looks like the hero
1008
00:39:06.555 --> 00:39:08.305
until somebody doesn't,
1009
00:39:08.595 --> 00:39:10.905
until somebody races him the way he's racing them
1010
00:39:11.325 --> 00:39:12.465
and then it ends in an accident.
1011
00:39:12.485 --> 00:39:14.305
In this case, he got away with it again.
1012
00:39:14.765 --> 00:39:17.185
But to your point, he's on the inside.
1013
00:39:18.025 --> 00:39:20.345
Connor's ahead at Turnin
1014
00:39:21.045 --> 00:39:25.705
and for, for Christian to have to put wheels on the inside
1015
00:39:25.705 --> 00:39:27.145
of the turn, 10 curb means there's
1016
00:39:27.145 --> 00:39:28.225
not enough room for him to be there.
1017
00:39:28.245 --> 00:39:30.905
He needs to back out of it. And that's what Colton did.
1018
00:39:30.945 --> 00:39:32.905
Colton's like, oh, if I turn in here
1019
00:39:32.905 --> 00:39:34.865
and try to hold this, I'm gonna end up in the dirt on the
1020
00:39:34.865 --> 00:39:36.025
inside that's gonna push me into the
1021
00:39:36.025 --> 00:39:37.145
other guy and that's gonna end poorly.
1022
00:39:37.885 --> 00:39:41.745
So I think it's a, it's, it's from a, from a,
1023
00:39:41.745 --> 00:39:43.545
the way the rules are written standpoint,
1024
00:39:43.625 --> 00:39:44.905
I think it's more on Christian for sure.
1025
00:39:45.485 --> 00:39:47.545
But to your point, Connor needs to be,
1026
00:39:47.965 --> 00:39:51.545
or any driver, when you're racing any driver, you have
1027
00:39:51.545 --> 00:39:52.985
to be aware of who they are, how they race,
1028
00:39:53.445 --> 00:39:56.185
and not put yourself in a position with someone
1029
00:39:56.205 --> 00:39:58.505
that's not going to race you the way you need
1030
00:39:58.505 --> 00:40:00.665
to be raced to make that move happen. If that makes sense.
1031
00:40:01.505 --> 00:40:04.545
I mean here he, let's let's play scenario for a second.
1032
00:40:06.565 --> 00:40:08.465
If instead of Christian, it's Joseph
1033
00:40:09.005 --> 00:40:10.005
mm-hmm
.
1034
00:40:10.285 --> 00:40:11.545
Are you gonna, are you gonna
1035
00:40:11.765 --> 00:40:12.825
say the same thing about Joseph
1036
00:40:13.805 --> 00:40:17.865
And what, which part, like would I be willing to pull
1037
00:40:17.865 --> 00:40:19.785
that Connor move on Joseph more than
1038
00:40:19.785 --> 00:40:21.665
I'd be willing to pull it on Christian? Yes. Because
1039
00:40:21.685 --> 00:40:24.465
No,
But do I think Joseph should have
1040
00:40:24.465 --> 00:40:25.945
backed out if he was Christian? Yes,
1041
00:40:26.285 --> 00:40:27.285
But Joseph wouldn't.
1042
00:40:27.285 --> 00:40:28.425
Joseph is just
1043
00:40:28.445 --> 00:40:29.745
as aggressive if not more
1044
00:40:29.745 --> 00:40:31.185
aggressive of an over taker. Okay,
1045
00:40:31.185 --> 00:40:32.185
Fine.
1046
00:40:32.185 --> 00:40:32.705
Okay, fine. But then you have to, you have
1047
00:40:32.705 --> 00:40:33.745
to know that, right?
1048
00:40:33.885 --> 00:40:35.185
You have to know what position
1049
00:40:35.185 --> 00:40:36.185
You put yourself in.
1050
00:40:36.185 --> 00:40:40.745
But again, but again, I think, I think sometimes guys that
1051
00:40:41.495 --> 00:40:45.185
haven't won races, haven't shown
1052
00:40:46.315 --> 00:40:50.825
years of success, aren't driving for top organizations,
1053
00:40:51.075 --> 00:40:54.425
don't have the, the pedigree, if you will,
1054
00:40:55.805 --> 00:40:57.985
are accused a little bit harsher
1055
00:40:58.495 --> 00:40:59.745
than someone like Jo Joseph.
1056
00:41:00.125 --> 00:41:03.865
Joseph drives people like an animal on short levels.
1057
00:41:04.295 --> 00:41:07.145
Like he's, he's like giving you a wheel in the straight,
1058
00:41:07.635 --> 00:41:09.185
he'll push you up high
1059
00:41:09.185 --> 00:41:11.025
before he turns in to turn three at Iowa.
1060
00:41:11.455 --> 00:41:14.185
Like he is an, he's an animal, right?
1061
00:41:14.285 --> 00:41:15.785
But he wins all the time.
1062
00:41:15.895 --> 00:41:17.705
Like look at what he did to his teammate at St.
1063
00:41:17.705 --> 00:41:21.185
Louis in 2017 with au right? Yeah. That
1064
00:41:21.185 --> 00:41:22.705
Was,
But, but, okay.
1065
00:41:22.845 --> 00:41:25.745
But because it's Joseph Newgarden two time Indy 500 winner,
1066
00:41:25.765 --> 00:41:27.825
two time champion, 30 time race
1067
00:41:27.825 --> 00:41:29.145
winner, whatever he is done, right?
1068
00:41:29.445 --> 00:41:32.825
Versus Christian who is doing the same thing
1069
00:41:32.885 --> 00:41:34.245
but with none of the resume,
1070
00:41:35.265 --> 00:41:37.125
it doesn't feel like it's a fair comparison
1071
00:41:37.785 --> 00:41:39.005
or a fair judgment.
1072
00:41:40.405 --> 00:41:42.925
I um,
Here's the thing.
1073
00:41:42.945 --> 00:41:44.525
One is like, oh, this kid has a lot to learn
1074
00:41:44.545 --> 00:41:47.245
and the other one's like, man, this guy, he's got Boss Steel
1075
00:41:47.265 --> 00:41:48.965
and he's just, he's a, he's a gladiator.
1076
00:41:49.505 --> 00:41:51.725
If you go back and listen to our episode
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00:41:51.725 --> 00:41:54.845
after Gateway 2017, what you'll hear me say is, I thought
1078
00:41:54.845 --> 00:41:57.645
that move was bullshit that Joseph pulled off on,
1079
00:41:57.725 --> 00:41:59.845
I I criticize Joseph for that move. You
1080
00:41:59.845 --> 00:42:00.845
Might.
1081
00:42:00.845 --> 00:42:01.525
So, but the, the internet doesn't.
1082
00:42:01.935 --> 00:42:03.565
Right? I Right. Um,
1083
00:42:03.785 --> 00:42:05.925
I'm just making sure we're on the same page of Okay.
1084
00:42:05.925 --> 00:42:08.125
Where we're coming from. So then to, to the,
1085
00:42:08.185 --> 00:42:09.365
to your other point, it's at
1086
00:42:09.365 --> 00:42:11.205
that's a very valid point for sure.
1087
00:42:11.725 --> 00:42:14.445
A a driver that has accomplished more is gonna be given
1088
00:42:14.555 --> 00:42:15.725
more leeway in that stuff.
1089
00:42:15.745 --> 00:42:17.205
Or it's gonna be looked at as like, oh, well
1090
00:42:17.205 --> 00:42:18.285
that's how you drive as a win.
1091
00:42:18.285 --> 00:42:19.765
That's how a winner drives, you know, whatever.
1092
00:42:20.305 --> 00:42:22.365
But I am, I'm kind of coming at it
1093
00:42:22.365 --> 00:42:24.165
for more if that's what's happening.
1094
00:42:24.165 --> 00:42:26.205
It's kind of on the field, it's on you guys
1095
00:42:26.945 --> 00:42:28.925
to not make that differentiation.
1096
00:42:29.235 --> 00:42:31.245
Because I don't hear people
1097
00:42:31.335 --> 00:42:34.245
after Iowa say, oh man, Joseph drove me really hard.
1098
00:42:34.245 --> 00:42:36.005
Joseph was this, Joseph was that.
1099
00:42:36.505 --> 00:42:37.845
But I hear people be like, man,
1100
00:42:37.845 --> 00:42:39.005
did you see that move Christian did?
1101
00:42:39.005 --> 00:42:43.485
Like, what was that? So yes you can, I can only see
1102
00:42:43.485 --> 00:42:44.725
what I can see from the broadcast,
1103
00:42:44.905 --> 00:42:46.325
but then getting feedback from the
1104
00:42:46.325 --> 00:42:48.565
paddock, I'm just saying, I'm saying my,
1105
00:42:48.765 --> 00:42:50.765
I completely disagree with that because there are a lot
1106
00:42:50.825 --> 00:42:54.205
of people that have a lot of complaints off of the two car,
1107
00:42:54.465 --> 00:42:56.245
mostly on short ovals most of the time.
1108
00:42:56.795 --> 00:42:58.965
Fair. I just, I said in my experience,
1109
00:42:59.085 --> 00:43:00.245
I haven't heard quite as much of that.
1110
00:43:00.625 --> 00:43:01.885
So, but I think, I think it,
1111
00:43:01.925 --> 00:43:02.965
I think that's a very valid point.
1112
00:43:03.085 --> 00:43:07.205
I do think that a young driver who hasn't done X, Y, Z look,
1113
00:43:07.505 --> 00:43:10.045
people said that about Joseph before he'd ever won a race.
1114
00:43:11.025 --> 00:43:13.685
Joseph in his first two years, very fast,
1115
00:43:13.955 --> 00:43:16.685
sometimes very reckless, had some very big accidents,
1116
00:43:16.825 --> 00:43:18.645
caused some very big problems, right?
1117
00:43:18.785 --> 00:43:20.605
But developed into Joseph Newgard.
1118
00:43:20.985 --> 00:43:24.085
So it's, it's not, it's not so much a, it's not
1119
00:43:24.365 --> 00:43:25.525
so much a criticism of
1120
00:43:25.525 --> 00:43:27.205
what Christian's doing or how he goes racing.
1121
00:43:27.995 --> 00:43:30.165
It's an understanding of the guy
1122
00:43:30.165 --> 00:43:31.285
that you're going wheel to wheel with.
1123
00:43:31.345 --> 00:43:33.365
You cannot race everybody the same. And so, right.
1124
00:43:33.365 --> 00:43:35.125
But that, but that's on Connor not Christian.
1125
00:43:35.345 --> 00:43:36.885
No, no, no. That's what I'm saying. Okay.
1126
00:43:36.885 --> 00:43:38.205
This part is this, this is the part
1127
00:43:38.205 --> 00:43:40.645
of response I think in the mechanics of the accident,
1128
00:43:40.645 --> 00:43:41.765
Christian is more at fault.
1129
00:43:42.485 --> 00:43:43.805
Hmm. I think when you zoom out
1130
00:43:43.805 --> 00:43:45.685
and you look at the situation in totality
1131
00:43:45.685 --> 00:43:47.925
and you take in to account what happened in turn seven
1132
00:43:48.065 --> 00:43:49.845
and you take into account what happened in turn two
1133
00:43:50.025 --> 00:43:52.325
and you take into account of their seasons together
1134
00:43:52.345 --> 00:43:55.045
as a whole and last season and what, whose team
1135
00:43:55.045 --> 00:43:57.165
and all that other <inaudible>, that is
1136
00:43:57.165 --> 00:43:59.365
where Connor's responsibility comes in, is you have
1137
00:43:59.365 --> 00:44:02.205
to be aware of the scenario you're in
1138
00:44:02.205 --> 00:44:03.245
with the driver you're racing
1139
00:44:03.545 --> 00:44:06.685
and make that decision, is this a good move or not?
1140
00:44:06.785 --> 00:44:08.525
Mm-hmm . And so look at the end
1141
00:44:08.525 --> 00:44:09.845
of the day, I'm just glad he is okay.
1142
00:44:10.085 --> 00:44:11.685
'cause that was a big hit. Yeah,
1143
00:44:11.835 --> 00:44:13.045
Huge
Hit, big hit.
1144
00:44:13.585 --> 00:44:15.205
And the fact that he was like, fine.
1145
00:44:15.205 --> 00:44:17.925
Like I think he maybe banged his foot up a little bit
1146
00:44:17.925 --> 00:44:21.605
or something, but like, um, for that speed, you know,
1147
00:44:21.605 --> 00:44:24.725
like credit to any cars, credit to the track like that,
1148
00:44:24.725 --> 00:44:25.925
that could have been a whole lot worse.
1149
00:44:26.825 --> 00:44:28.605
Um, anyway, we're running outta time.
1150
00:44:28.815 --> 00:44:30.165
Let's talk about the final stint.
1151
00:44:31.025 --> 00:44:33.875
Willpower, Christian linard, Alex Palolo,
1152
00:44:34.015 --> 00:44:36.115
all on different fuel levels, different life tires,
1153
00:44:36.975 --> 00:44:41.035
and ran with a blanket over them for like the last 20 laps.
1154
00:44:41.895 --> 00:44:45.755
And the, the pressure that will was under keeping those guys
1155
00:44:45.755 --> 00:44:49.115
behind, managing the traffic in front, having
1156
00:44:49.115 --> 00:44:51.395
to burn his push to pass, to pass lap cars
1157
00:44:51.395 --> 00:44:52.355
that then immediately pulled
1158
00:44:52.355 --> 00:44:53.315
outta the way for the other two.
1159
00:44:53.345 --> 00:44:55.595
Like it was a distinct disadvantage
1160
00:44:55.775 --> 00:44:58.875
to be leading in some ways, but he held it together
1161
00:44:59.175 --> 00:45:01.835
and it was a brilliant drive from start to finish
1162
00:45:01.895 --> 00:45:03.435
and a very well deserved win. Could
1163
00:45:03.435 --> 00:45:07.075
You imagine being team Pensky right now? I
1164
00:45:07.235 --> 00:45:08.475
I might have to double check this,
1165
00:45:08.535 --> 00:45:10.875
but I think I might be an executive there now
1166
00:45:11.085 --> 00:45:12.875
after being shuffled up. Might,
1167
00:45:12.985 --> 00:45:13.985
Yeah.
1168
00:45:13.985 --> 00:45:15.995
So maybe, maybe that's an unfair question
1169
00:45:15.995 --> 00:45:18.715
because we, none of us really have any clue as to
1170
00:45:18.715 --> 00:45:19.955
what is happening behind the scenes.
1171
00:45:20.655 --> 00:45:23.755
But let's just, let's just say the rumors are
1172
00:45:24.515 --> 00:45:25.835
ultimately true, right?
1173
00:45:25.945 --> 00:45:30.155
That will, doesn't really have a spot there next year.
1174
00:45:30.855 --> 00:45:32.035
Will's looking for a ride.
1175
00:45:32.575 --> 00:45:35.555
All these sort of things that seem to be the reality
1176
00:45:35.745 --> 00:45:39.355
that at least the outsider knows or has been privy to.
1177
00:45:40.535 --> 00:45:44.595
But he is by far, like hands down your best guy.
1178
00:45:45.095 --> 00:45:48.715
Not just this year, but like the past couple of years
1179
00:45:49.295 --> 00:45:51.595
he has been the benchmark at that team.
1180
00:45:52.385 --> 00:45:55.275
Like it is, and, and, and his frustration
1181
00:45:55.495 --> 00:45:57.835
and some of his quotes are so warranted.
1182
00:45:58.415 --> 00:46:02.195
And it's like any, any driver in this series who,
1183
00:46:02.375 --> 00:46:05.115
and this is referring to last year, who's won three races
1184
00:46:05.115 --> 00:46:06.115
and had two polls
1185
00:46:06.115 --> 00:46:09.155
and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, would have a contract.
1186
00:46:10.615 --> 00:46:12.275
And it's a, it's a wild scenario
1187
00:46:13.065 --> 00:46:15.355
that the reality is he doesn't,
1188
00:46:15.945 --> 00:46:17.795
that doesn't mean he is not gonna have a job next year.
1189
00:46:18.065 --> 00:46:19.875
Doesn't mean he is not gonna have a great job next year.
1190
00:46:20.215 --> 00:46:23.275
But the point is, it's a very weird kind of situation
1191
00:46:23.275 --> 00:46:25.555
that's presented itself because it's not, and
1192
00:46:25.615 --> 00:46:28.995
and from my understanding, this isn't a scenario
1193
00:46:28.995 --> 00:46:31.555
where it's like, oh, he's not being resigned
1194
00:46:31.755 --> 00:46:34.355
'cause he is demanding some absurd amount of money.
1195
00:46:34.745 --> 00:46:37.995
Like this isn't a, this isn't a money sort of holdup
1196
00:46:38.385 --> 00:46:39.475
that is preventing this.
1197
00:46:39.475 --> 00:46:41.755
It's, it's purely a, there's,
1198
00:46:41.755 --> 00:46:43.875
there's an ideology shift, right?
1199
00:46:43.895 --> 00:46:45.635
And will's just not a part of that.
1200
00:46:46.295 --> 00:46:51.115
And for him to a understand that,
1201
00:46:51.695 --> 00:46:54.435
accept that, and then still perform like he just did,
1202
00:46:54.695 --> 00:46:55.955
is just, is phenomenal to
1203
00:46:55.955 --> 00:46:56.955
Me.
1204
00:46:56.955 --> 00:46:58.395
Alex, that is beautifully put.
1205
00:46:59.015 --> 00:47:01.955
Um, I very much agree with all the sentiment there
1206
00:47:02.015 --> 00:47:04.155
and there's a lot to unpack and dig into
1207
00:47:04.335 --> 00:47:05.675
and I think, I think there's a lot
1208
00:47:05.675 --> 00:47:06.955
of good discussion have about this.
1209
00:47:07.375 --> 00:47:10.825
So we're not gonna do that right now
1210
00:47:10.975 --> 00:47:12.465
because we are outta time.
1211
00:47:12.845 --> 00:47:15.105
So we're gonna, we're gonna revisit this topic next week
1212
00:47:15.105 --> 00:47:16.345
though, 'cause we don't have a race to talk about.
1213
00:47:16.365 --> 00:47:17.905
So we're gonna talk about that. Uh,
1214
00:47:18.345 --> 00:47:20.945
I think we should then also dedicate some time next week
1215
00:47:21.085 --> 00:47:23.585
to acknowledge the greatness that as Alex Palolo
1216
00:47:23.605 --> 00:47:25.625
as he did wrap up his fourth championship.
1217
00:47:26.125 --> 00:47:28.545
Why, um, we said that was happening in April.
1218
00:47:29.305 --> 00:47:31.085
No, I know, but like, let's look back on
1219
00:47:31.085 --> 00:47:32.365
how he did it a little bit more.
1220
00:47:32.365 --> 00:47:35.765
Okay. Sorry. Um, but yes, that, that is all for this week.
1221
00:47:36.145 --> 00:47:39.565
And um, tune in next week for more of that good stuff
1222
00:47:39.945 --> 00:47:40.965
and all.
1223
00:47:40.965 --> 00:47:43.285
We'll learn all about Alex's fun time on the golf course
1224
00:47:43.985 --> 00:47:46.085
and all the fun things we're up to on our off week.
1225
00:47:47.675 --> 00:47:49.685
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