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This is, is off
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, uh, hello
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And welcome everyone to Off Track with Hinch Rossi.
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Um, last, uh, last
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episode, the Tuesday episode.
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If you're here to hear about my child.
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Um, go listen to that one.
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'cause we're gonna talk about race cars,
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um, in this one. And
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He's not talking about Tim.
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Mm. Mm-hmm. Well,
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we do mention Tim a little bit in that one. We do,
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We do. Unfortunately.
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It's funny. Someone, someone came up to me
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during the NDGP weekend,
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and again, still, still blown away by everyone
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who, who listens to the podcast.
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But this, uh, this one, this one girl lady, uh, came up
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to me and, uh, she said something kind of under her breath
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and I didn't really capture all of it,
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but I heard little words
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and I was like, oh, yeah, like that was,
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that was probably a mistake.
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Um, 'cause she said something like, burn a hat.
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Like shouldn't I thought she said,
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I shouldn't have burned this hat.
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And I kind of laughed and said,
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oh yeah, I was ping a mistake.
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And so she took like an autograph card and, and kept walking
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and Ed was standing next to me
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and he was like, what did, what did she say?
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I said, I don't, I don't really know.
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Well, the next lady right behind her said
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what turned out being the exact same thing,
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just a little bit clearer.
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And she said, Tim signed my hat in Nashville
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and I should have burned it.
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And I said, yeah, nice.
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I wanna be clear because I remember this
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because I don't get asked to sign a lot of hats .
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He was like, Hey, well you signed my hat.
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And I go, are you sure this will
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devalue the hat ?
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Like, I made it very good. Like, yeah, no, sign the hat.
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I was like, okay. They good in that. I no one. Yeah. Yeah.
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Well they, I warned them , like,
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I think if they wanted you to sign it just
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so they could like make the like commit the act
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of burning the hat that you would sign. Yes.
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And I get that. I get that right. Yeah.
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The only time I've ever signed an article
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of clothing without somebody asking me
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to was one time I signed Orio Serbia shirt.
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Just 'cause I thought it was funny.
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He was like in the middle. He, did
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You find it funny?
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He did not . He was in the middle of talking everybody.
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And I did that thing, you know, where you come up
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and you're like, gonna pretend to sign it,
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but he didn't react, so I panicked
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and then I like really just signed his shirt.
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And so he was just walking around
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with my signature on his shirt for the rest of the
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Day.
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It seems like a really poor reaction
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to a high stress situation. Yeah, it
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Wasn't, it wasn't great.
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I'm not saying like, I'm coming outta
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that like 10 outta 10 Tim, no notes. Well,
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I think what we've learned kids is, uh,
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don't sign people's clothing without being asked to do that.
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Well, or if you're going to do it, don't do what old, uh,
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Juan Pablo Montoya did.
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So I was, um, sitting next to,
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I was doing an autograph session for an IMSA event
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Road Atlanta, I think.
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And the sixth car at Team Penske at the time was Dan
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Cameron, Simon Pau and Juan Montoya.
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And I was sitting next to Simon.
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And so basically Simon was in between me and Juan.
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And Simon, uh, has long had a rashard meal, uh, deal.
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And so for people that don't know what Rashard meal is,
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it's like they are pretty much the pinnacle of, of watches,
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especially in the sporting arena.
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Um, you know, they are at the same tier as an AP
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or a Hubo or whatever.
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And, um, Simon had a white watch
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and Juan with a black Sharpie reached over
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and signed during the autograph session,
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Simon's White Rashard Mill.
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And you can imagine the reaction that Simon had
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and one kind of just Yes,
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Just for the people at home.
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That's a six figure watch, like
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Minimum that
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Like that. That's a six watch. That's figure watch.
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That's a modest house in the Midwest. Yeah.
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On his wrist. That,
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That.
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And so you, you can imagine Simon's reaction,
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he was seething.
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I can't, I can't imagine.
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I don't even know what I would, I think I might stab him.
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I think I might've stabbed him not like to death. Right.
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But like I would've paled him with something. Yeah.
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Yeah. Hmm.
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Got a stain on one of his objects,
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meaning blood on his shirt. .
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Right.
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Yikes. Okay. Yeah. So just don't sign stuff
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unless someone asks you to sign it.
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Yeah. Especially if it's,
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Especially if it's with the caveat,
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With the caveat that if it's oral serb it's fine.
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Hmm. I don't, I'm gonna, I he'll love it.
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Fundamentally disagree. He, we just,
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we have now evidence anyways.
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I bought him a new moving on. I bought GP
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Guys, NGP happened.
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So let's run through your race weekend
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and then we can run through the race itself. No. Yes. Yep.
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Um, uh, ECR historically pretty strong at any road course.
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Um, we, uh, we qualified ninth.
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I thought we were maybe a seventh place car.
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Maybe it could have snuck into the fast six.
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Um, we, it's, it's, it's funny. IndyCar's tough.
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IndyCar's tough. It's tough. It's tough. It's tough.
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I don't know how else to say it. So is in car tough?
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We combine when, when you combine the, the kind
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of round one qualifying times, we were third, um,
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and went into round two and lost a 10th.
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Um, just picked up a, a slight bit of under steer
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that I just, quite honestly,
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these cars are very, um,
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they're very track temperature sensitive.
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Indie GP has always been track temperature sensitive.
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When you're that strong in the first round, it's very hard
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to change anything, even though in
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your gut, you know, you should.
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So I waffled for a while and I ultimately said, don't do it.
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We should've added a little bit of front wing.
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Um, and we missed transferring by like four hundreds,
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which is like the name of the game.
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Like everyone has that story.
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Um, I don't think anyone clearly was good enough for Pole,
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but could we have fought in the fast six?
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Possibly. But regardless, we started ninth.
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Um, the car had been pretty much in the window all weekend,
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uh, until Saturday.
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Um, so we, we were one of the cars that used,
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so going into the weekend, we, we talked about the,
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the new tire, uh, requirements during the race.
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two primaries and two alternates in the race was they got
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rid of the rule where you have to run new, um, alternates.
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And they also got rid of the rule where you have
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to give back a set of alternates before the race.
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So historically, um,
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because you had to give the setback, a lot
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of teams would run alternates in practice one.
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Yeah. You had to give 'em back after practice one.
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I'm sorry, you had to give 'em back after practice one.
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They got rid of that rule for an unknown reason.
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And so it basically gave you carte blanche, uh,
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to use the alternate tires as you saw fit.
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So we were one of the cars four sets. You had four sets.
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We were one of the cars that used a set in practice two,
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just to get a glimpse of what it was gonna be in qualifying,
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which was really, I was relieved that we did,
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because we missed it.
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We missed the balance in practice two.
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Um, so we were able to make
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adjustments going into qualifying.
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'cause otherwise we would've been like P 20.
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Um, so it was good that we, we did that.
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But what that meant was we ran, used alternates
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for banker tires, um, for rounds one and two.
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And why that's important is
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because essentially going into warmup, I had a very used set
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of alternates and a very used set of primaries, um,
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from practice one.
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And so we, we were pretty bad in warmup,
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but we put it down to tires.
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You know, the alternates had 12 laps on 'em.
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The primaries had 18 laps on 'em. We were loose.
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It was like, yeah, that's to be expected.
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We often talk about warmup, you know,
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you can't really read into it.
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Where I think we missed was we just,
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we looked at warmup as warmup.
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Oh, you can't read into it.
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Not that you usually don't read into morning
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warmup at eight 30 in the morning.
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Right. This was an 11, 11 45 warmup.
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Um, and so we probably should have taken a little bit more
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credence in the balance that we had
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and we kind of just shipped it.
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We just said, ah, it'll be fine. It's been fine all weekend.
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It wasn't, um, and we honestly weren't, we weren't fast.
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We were, yeah, we really struggled on both tires.
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Um, the team did a good job trying to manage as best
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as we could and, and to capitalize as best as we could.
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And we were, we were slogging through it.
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Um, I think we would've finished 10th, 11th.
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Um, but the way it all kind of cycled out,
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we were on the primary tire, um, to, to end the race
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and we had a pretty big buffer to like the,
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that next group of cars.
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The 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th group.
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Um, and felt pretty confident that we could maintain
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that kind of five and a half, six second gap to the end
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of the race unless of course there was a yellow.
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Right. And we got a yellow, it, it was a fake yellow.
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I mean, it was a real yellow in the sense
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that there was a safety car, but it was,
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it wasn't 'cause anyone crashed.
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It was just a yellow 'cause a car broke mm-hmm .
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Um, which is still mind boggling to me
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that we haven't had any yellows due
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to like cars crashing or contact or anything.
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Which is, and like, again, confusing,
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We had, we had a little bit
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of contact in the first couple laps.
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Erickson got dumped when his, uh, car slowed down
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with a mechanical problem, but like kept rolling
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and it was right in front of pit lane.
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So he managed to get in.
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Like there's so many things that were so close Yeah.
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Before Mel Lucas's car stopped, but yeah. Yeah.
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So we, we had to do a restart, um, and we were on primes
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and the five cars behind us were on alternates.
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Um, so we ended up 14th, which I was talking
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to my engineer about it, like he was,
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we were both pretty disappointed
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'cause we thought, you know, we had a opportunity based on
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the weekend to be, you know, a top five, top six car
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and to end 14th is, feels like a, a huge loss.
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But like, it was such a bad day in terms of like
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how I felt in the car and, and,
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and our pace and all that sort of thing.
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I was like, if that's, if that's our worst day is 14th,
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like we're, we're gonna be fine.
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Like, this is all gonna be just fine.
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So, um, just still need to, we haven't really had much time.
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'cause after the race I left for obvious reasons,
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so I'm gonna head to the track here in a little bit.
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We're, I had to go geting this on a Monday, um, to kind
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of do some more analysis of, of what we missed.
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But ultimately, um, disappointing for the 20 car.
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But that is what it is. It's fine.
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So I, and I, I asked you this question earlier, but
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after thermal, okay?
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Mm-hmm. So we're gonna get into the race.
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We're gonna get into why, I mean,
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how Alex Polo is doing what he's doing. But
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Do you know
No, no, no.
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We're, what we're gonna get into is
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how everybody's dumbfounded, but yes.
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Yeah. Um, but one of the things that came outta thermal,
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which was also like an interesting tire race and,
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and whatever was, you know, Alex ran third, that whole race,
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Patto led the whole day.
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But in that final stint, Patto had to go to a used set
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of reds where Alex had a new set of reds
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and that new set on a high dig track,
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he just drove through everybody mm-hmm.
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And won the race on a trot.
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So with the way the tire rule played out, you had, um,
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everybody basically made the decision to save a new set
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for the race, even though that was no longer a requirement.
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Mm-hmm . In qualifying, you could have burned 'em all,
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but most people, I don't think anybody did.
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Nobody that I know of did.
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So everybody had their one new set for the race.
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Uh, my question to you was,
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after what you saw Alex doing thermal
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after barber, where you came out on hards in the final stint
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and had to fight off guys that had softs.
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What was the motivation
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for having hards on in that final stint?
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'cause I know we hadn't had a yellow,
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but there was always a chance that a yellow could come out.
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Um, so we started on the primary
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and we were, we were shocking shockingly bad on the prime.
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Um, and so to give you,
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to give you guys some insight throughout the race,
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we took out six turns of front
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wing
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Okay. So what does that, what does that mean for people
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who don't necessarily know when you take out a turn?
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Well, usually, usually through an Indy car race,
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presuming it's dry Right.
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And there's no, there's no,
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it doesn't start damp or whatever, right?
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It's just a normal day. Um, as the rubber goes down
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and cars are consistently running on track,
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usually the grip level increases
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and you're adding, usually you're adding bits of un of,
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of front wing throughout the race.
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Um, uh, turn a front wing.
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It's, it's team dependent,
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but it's about, um, 0.6, call it half a percent of COP.
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Um, and COP center pressure is the arrow balance.
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It's, it's a very controlling factor
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of the overall balance of the car. Um, you're
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Putting more percentage of the down force on the front
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of the car when you're adding front
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Weight, when you're adding Exactly.
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Yeah. Okay. Um, there's usually an offset, uh, a front wing
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between alternates and primary tires.
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'cause the alternates have a little bit more real grip.
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And so you're trying to keep the balance the same
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between tires to take out six turns of front wing to remove.
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Means that we started way outside the window, um, in that
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Whose car from warmup was just as loose in the race.
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Yes. Yeah. How we got there still TVD.
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But anyways, um, so we, we, we were shocking on the blacks.
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And so we put on the alternate, we put on new alternates
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and we were hoping that that would solve some of our issues.
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It did not. Um, so then it was like, all right,
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well we gotta keep, we gotta keep working on the car.
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Um, and we were so bad on blacks
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and the car's really not any better.
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Let's put on used alternates
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and see if we can continue making this thing better.
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Right. So it was, it was an effort to
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see if we could get the car balance better.
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By the time in our mind we had to put on the worst tire.
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It ended up right by the time we got all the front wing out
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of it, the primes Right.
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It actually was the right decision
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because we put the prime,
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our last stint on primes was actually our best stint.
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Right, okay. Um, because the,
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the balance was actually in the window more so.
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Yeah. Even though it was the worst tire we were,
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we were running better lap times.
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So, um, it wasn't really, there was no strategic decision
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behind what we were doing.
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Like we didn't think that was the right thing to do,
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but we were in a sense of desperation 'cause we were
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Fair enough.
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Okay. Alright.
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So the race as a whole,
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Alex Palou started on pole.
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Uh, well actually hold on. Let's do a quick throwback
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to qualifying and let's give credit where credit's due.
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Uh, Raha Letterman landing
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and racing three cars in the fast six.
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That is so hard to do.
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It's so hard to get in the fast six with one car.
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All of them. It wasn't even like oh two outta three.
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They, they, they went in and put every single car there.
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That is unbelievable.
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Including a rookie. Penske
Can't even do that. Right.
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Penske had two of three and the third guy was seventh.
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They did very well as well, but not as well. No.
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So you had Graham on the front row.
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You had Louis Foster third, you had had dev in fifth.
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They were in the top five, three cars in the top
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five for any team.
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That is insanity.
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And uh, just huge credit to that whole group, uh,
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for pulling off what they did.
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Obviously Alex used a slightly different tire strategy
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and so he was the only guy that had a set
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of stickers for Q3.
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So I mean, the gap was like three or four tenths
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or whatever, but like, that was slightly four
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and a half tenths, four and a half tenths.
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So slightly, uh, artificial exaggerated. Yeah.
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But he was also quickest in pretty much every session
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and was gonna be on poll anyway,
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but it just made him look really, really good.
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Um, also showed up
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because he was struggling with optics lately.
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Yeah. , I'm glad, I'm glad something broke his way finally.
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Yeah. Yeah. It's finally going his way.
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Um, also, uh, shout out to K Simpson who had,
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uh, I think his best start and was quick all weekend
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and was, uh, was doing well with cani cars in general.
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Were doing, doing pretty well.
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We out qualified Dixon in the same car.
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So, um, the Qualifi for the second week in a row.
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There you go. Yeah, that's right.
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So the race was interesting. Uh, no one again.
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First race we were doing these new tire rolls.
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So a lot to like figure out a lot to, for us to learn
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how teams thought it was gonna play out and,
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and who was gonna kind of employ what strategy.
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Majority of the top guys started on Reds the start.
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Graham got into the lead in a nice impressive move.
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Dev got himself up into third Palo was sandwich in the
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middle and, and, and things were kind of off and running.
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And so, yeah. So I mean for the, the first kind
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of stint it was running around, uh, Graham
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and Alex were kind of back and forthing a little bit.
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First stops same kind of thing, came on the same lap.
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I think everything was pretty tight.
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But Graham went a different route with tires
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and it was already starting
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to seem like this was gonna play out into Paolo's favor.
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He was just kind of sitting back
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and waiting to see how this all unfolded.
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And then even
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before we got to the final round of stops
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where Alex was gonna get to put on sticker reds,
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and I think Graham had to go to primaries, go to the blacks
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flow, just pulled 'em in, went by,
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'em started driving away.
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Then he got to put on his sticker.
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Reds started driving away even more like
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nine seconds or something.
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Then a yellow came out first restarts since St.
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Pete, lapped five drove away again,
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still one by six seconds.
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Like . It's outrageous man.
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It's outrageous what's happening right now.
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You're on the track, you're in the car,
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you can see competitor data.
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You have more insight than either of us.
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What is going on over there in the 10 car specifically?
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Um, bro, it's, it's incredible.
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Uh, so first of all, gsi McLaren kind of noticed this,
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this became pretty apparent
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at the thermal test in 2023.
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Um, the GSI cars are, are the slowest cars on the street.
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Um, more always.
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And it's not like this is an open championship with Arrow.
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Um, you're not cars.
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I mean, there's a couple tracks that you trim at,
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but no one's trimming and qualifying.
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Yeah. No one's trimming. Max Downforce
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Pretty
Much practice.
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Right. Um, and, and they've been very slow in the straits.
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What I take that to Ima to, to, to what I,
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the conclusion I draw from
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that is they're slow in the straits
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because they're generating drag,
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which means they're generating down force somewhere.
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Um, but I'm not, I'm not kidding you James,
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through five events.
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I don't think there's been a corner where
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I've been quicker than him.
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Not one. Um,
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and I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not telling like,
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Ansy story 'cause I think it's the car.
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Like it's clearly him as well,
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but like they, they have unlocked something.
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Um, and he is able to extract all of it at all times.
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Um, I was talking to Felix before the race
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and he has way more than competitor data.
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He has actual, he's yeah. High data. Right.
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And so the competitor data comes over telemetry
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and it's a little blotchy and, you know, you can get kind of
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indications, a sense of it.
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Yeah. You're not gonna see the, the finite detail of it.
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And, and Felix, as we all have discussed, he's one
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of the fastest guys in the series over overlap.
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He's, he's, I would say in the top five of,
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of just purely the quickest dudes.
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And I was like, what, what, what does the data look like?
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And he was like, dude, you know the compare line ?
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And I'm like, yeah. So the compare line is essentially you
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set your lap as a delta and it says straight line.
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It's a completely horizontal line. It's the benchmark time.
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Right. And then you are, if, if there's a line
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that goes below it, that means the car you're comparing
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to is faster and vice versa.
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And a lot of times throughout a lab,
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especially when you're comparing to teammate cars,
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you'll see this kind
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of like almost heart rate effect. Yeah. You know, it's ebb
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And flow. You dip above someone,
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Someone charges more on entry,
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it gets a little worse exit.
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Or someone's just really good through a sequence.
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So they gain a, a 10th year,
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but you know, you're better in that sequence.
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So you pull it back and you end, you know, a 10th apart
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or six hundreds apart or whatever.
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Right. It, it ends up being pretty close to the same.
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And if you were able to combine both your laps together,
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you'd probably gain two tenths.
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The both of you. Right. Because you're both doing
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good things throughout the lap.
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He was like, bro, it's a completely diagonal
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line
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It's just every corner he's gaining. Yeah. The entire time.
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Yeah. And it's just,
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and he's like, I don't know what to tell you.
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Like I
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more questions than answers .
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Yeah, it sounds neat for him. Yeah.
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But I mean, you're right. He's still gotta drive it.
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He's still gotta execute.
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The team does a, an incredible job in the pits.
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You know, I think they call the strategy great.
499
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They had that sticker set of reds at the end, which worked
500
00:21:05.485 --> 00:21:07.405
for them in thermal and was the move. But, but
501
00:21:07.405 --> 00:21:10.365
Here's, here's the thing, James, they, the, the team
502
00:21:11.225 --> 00:21:14.085
on the, on the strategist engineering side and,
503
00:21:14.185 --> 00:21:15.445
and obviously Alex in the car,
504
00:21:15.645 --> 00:21:18.685
'cause he's all drivers are part of, I hate when fans,
505
00:21:18.905 --> 00:21:19.925
you know, get on the internet
506
00:21:19.945 --> 00:21:22.765
and yell at the team like, oh, that was a strategy
507
00:21:22.825 --> 00:21:24.085
or how could you keep doing this?
508
00:21:24.085 --> 00:21:25.445
Like, the drivers are very involved.
509
00:21:25.465 --> 00:21:26.525
We are, they're very part of that. Yeah.
510
00:21:26.525 --> 00:21:28.205
We're all making these decisions in the
511
00:21:28.205 --> 00:21:29.245
pre-event meetings together.
512
00:21:29.345 --> 00:21:31.965
So it is, it is all of our inputs
513
00:21:31.965 --> 00:21:33.045
that gets us to that decision.
514
00:21:33.865 --> 00:21:38.245
Um, and they are operating at such a high level
515
00:21:38.245 --> 00:21:41.125
of confidence that they can make these correct decisions
516
00:21:41.125 --> 00:21:44.845
because they know that even if the correct decision has a
517
00:21:44.845 --> 00:21:47.125
little bit of risk to it, Alex is gonna bail 'em out.
518
00:21:47.225 --> 00:21:48.445
Or the, the, the 10,
519
00:21:48.625 --> 00:21:50.325
the 10 crew in pit lane will bail 'em out
520
00:21:50.325 --> 00:21:51.845
so they can make the correct decisions
521
00:21:51.845 --> 00:21:54.045
that are slightly high risk, high reward
522
00:21:54.045 --> 00:21:55.725
because they know that regardless
523
00:21:55.725 --> 00:21:56.965
they'll come out the other side of it,
524
00:21:57.075 --> 00:22:01.845
Case in point is the tire strategy going into qualifying.
525
00:22:01.955 --> 00:22:05.965
Because like you mentioned, you, you try to set
526
00:22:06.225 --> 00:22:09.485
of the reds in practice to get that balance read.
527
00:22:09.485 --> 00:22:11.805
Right. Which you said was the right move
528
00:22:11.805 --> 00:22:13.765
because the spec, the balance
529
00:22:13.825 --> 00:22:15.325
as is just switching from blacks
530
00:22:15.325 --> 00:22:16.565
to reds would've been terrible.
531
00:22:16.615 --> 00:22:20.725
Right. A about, I think it was like 10 cars,
532
00:22:20.945 --> 00:22:22.605
11 cars, 12 cars, something like that.
533
00:22:22.605 --> 00:22:24.325
Like almost half let's for easy math,
534
00:22:24.325 --> 00:22:26.525
let's call it roughly half the field use a set
535
00:22:26.525 --> 00:22:27.565
in practice for that same reason.
536
00:22:27.615 --> 00:22:30.205
Right. Polo, like the canac.
537
00:22:30.345 --> 00:22:33.445
The Penskes, those guys didn't do it what they did do.
538
00:22:34.095 --> 00:22:36.285
Right. So keeping in mind you've got four sets
539
00:22:36.385 --> 00:22:39.575
of sticker reds looking back on it now,
540
00:22:39.575 --> 00:22:40.975
most teams have decided they were gonna
541
00:22:40.975 --> 00:22:42.215
save one set for the race.
542
00:22:42.475 --> 00:22:44.335
So you've got three sets now. Okay.
543
00:22:44.835 --> 00:22:48.255
So in theory you could use one in Q1, one in Q2, one in Q3,
544
00:22:48.875 --> 00:22:52.335
almost everybody was like, look, if we throw on the reds
545
00:22:52.335 --> 00:22:54.975
and the balance is way off, we're gonna be starting 26.
546
00:22:55.755 --> 00:22:59.135
So let's go red, red in Q1, two new sets,
547
00:22:59.485 --> 00:23:01.255
another new set in Q2
548
00:23:01.355 --> 00:23:03.695
and then use, use reds in Q3 if you get through.
549
00:23:03.785 --> 00:23:05.615
Which is kind of like almost a standard wave.
550
00:23:06.045 --> 00:23:07.055
Yeah. You get two bites
551
00:23:07.055 --> 00:23:08.655
of the apple one in round one if you,
552
00:23:08.655 --> 00:23:09.695
if you miss the balance right?
553
00:23:09.695 --> 00:23:11.015
Yeah. So you can make an adjustment.
554
00:23:11.075 --> 00:23:13.455
So the Penskes did it, they got, everybody did it,
555
00:23:14.185 --> 00:23:15.815
hello, did not do it.
556
00:23:16.115 --> 00:23:17.135
He did banker on black
557
00:23:17.195 --> 00:23:18.195
On black, yep.
558
00:23:18.195 --> 00:23:20.055
Threw his first set of stickers, reds on
559
00:23:20.115 --> 00:23:21.735
and just bam gets in.
560
00:23:21.735 --> 00:23:25.375
And now he immediately is in the capper seat
561
00:23:25.515 --> 00:23:28.095
and like there's, it's almost impossible to beat him to pull
562
00:23:28.095 --> 00:23:29.815
after he does that as the only guy that did that.
563
00:23:30.075 --> 00:23:32.815
So yeah, when you get to the fast six, he was the only one
564
00:23:32.815 --> 00:23:35.655
with a new tire to use and still have one for the race.
565
00:23:37.095 --> 00:23:39.895
Unbelievable. Unbelievable. The confidence you have to have
566
00:23:40.475 --> 00:23:42.135
in your car and your driver
567
00:23:42.195 --> 00:23:45.595
and your information to pull that move off
568
00:23:46.295 --> 00:23:47.555
is wild to me.
569
00:23:47.865 --> 00:23:48.955
What, I don't know.
570
00:23:49.195 --> 00:23:52.195
I don't remember if like Kiffin did it maybe in practice.
571
00:23:52.215 --> 00:23:54.315
And so the team had a little bit of a sense.
572
00:23:55.555 --> 00:23:57.195
I don't know. I don't remember. Yeah, I don't know.
573
00:23:58.335 --> 00:24:01.895
But still it's, it's, it's just, dude, they're just,
574
00:24:01.895 --> 00:24:03.215
they're just rolling right now.
575
00:24:06.845 --> 00:24:10.695
They did test here. Um, so they had that going for them.
576
00:24:11.115 --> 00:24:14.455
You know, obviously they didn't, they they also kind
577
00:24:14.455 --> 00:24:17.295
of tested in Barber because the MSR cars were there.
578
00:24:17.475 --> 00:24:22.255
So, uh, this has been a good start to this season for them.
579
00:24:22.535 --> 00:24:26.775
I can't see it continuing. Um, that doesn't mean it won't,
580
00:24:26.775 --> 00:24:28.615
Statistically speaking it shouldn't, it just,
581
00:24:28.615 --> 00:24:30.375
that's just not how it works. But,
582
00:24:30.555 --> 00:24:32.935
But yeah, I don't know.
583
00:24:33.065 --> 00:24:34.655
We'll see. I mean he's, he's very,
584
00:24:34.845 --> 00:24:36.735
he's very good at indie mm-hmm .
585
00:24:36.855 --> 00:24:38.575
Um, you know, I think he's
586
00:24:38.575 --> 00:24:42.135
Very good at the open test
I think in 2022.
587
00:24:42.315 --> 00:24:44.535
Was it like he probably the year he was on pole,
588
00:24:44.535 --> 00:24:45.615
like he probably should have,
589
00:24:45.935 --> 00:24:47.255
I mean he should have been in contention
590
00:24:47.255 --> 00:24:49.135
to win that race if not winning. Yeah. And then he had that
591
00:24:49.645 --> 00:24:50.645
Bone by arena.
592
00:24:50.645 --> 00:24:52.735
Yeah, no, it was reus dumped him in pit lane.
593
00:24:53.035 --> 00:24:54.295
Oh right. He still drove back
594
00:24:54.795 --> 00:24:55.795
To fourth,
Fifth.
595
00:24:55.795 --> 00:24:58.455
Fourth, right. Fourth. Yeah. So that was 2022.
596
00:24:58.805 --> 00:25:01.215
That wasn't 23.
No, no,
597
00:25:02.075 --> 00:25:03.695
22. Yeah, that makes sense.
598
00:25:04.205 --> 00:25:06.215
McLaren car in 23. Yeah. Yeah.
599
00:25:06.795 --> 00:25:09.935
Um, yeah and like in the open test he was quite, yeah.
600
00:25:09.935 --> 00:25:10.935
We'll see man, we'll see what happens.
601
00:25:11.005 --> 00:25:12.855
Obviously Indy's the hardest one to win
602
00:25:12.855 --> 00:25:14.055
because it's so much longer and
603
00:25:14.075 --> 00:25:15.255
so much more opportunity for stuff
604
00:25:15.255 --> 00:25:16.295
to go wrong. You're right.
605
00:25:16.435 --> 00:25:18.095
And Sarah, way more luck. Yeah.
606
00:25:18.485 --> 00:25:20.495
Yeah. It's, yeah, I, I don't wanna say it's more
607
00:25:20.495 --> 00:25:22.895
of a lottery, but like luck plays a,
608
00:25:23.275 --> 00:25:24.575
has more opportunity to play with.
609
00:25:24.575 --> 00:25:28.895
Look at 2016, it's a pretty big lottery. . I mean
610
00:25:29.275 --> 00:25:30.455
You could also make that argument
611
00:25:30.475 --> 00:25:32.575
for the poll in 2016. That was total bull.
612
00:25:33.445 --> 00:25:34.815
Alright. That's just luck of the draw.
613
00:25:35.315 --> 00:25:37.055
No, that no, that was just, he,
614
00:25:37.055 --> 00:25:39.215
he got the sympathy Honda Horsepower. Yeah.
615
00:25:39.585 --> 00:25:41.135
Sorry. You almost died. Here's a couple
616
00:25:41.355 --> 00:25:42.355
Almost died.
617
00:25:42.355 --> 00:25:43.495
Here's a couple extra hps
618
00:25:43.495 --> 00:25:43.495
.
619
00:25:44.195 --> 00:25:45.295
No, they, they thought he was
620
00:25:45.535 --> 00:25:46.535
Satos car.
621
00:25:46.535 --> 00:25:49.175
Yeah. It's still a good story.
622
00:25:49.275 --> 00:25:51.175
So like all still a good story. Yeah,
623
00:25:51.175 --> 00:25:52.175
Yeah, exactly.
624
00:25:52.175 --> 00:25:54.055
Gotta can't let the facts get away. A good story .
625
00:25:55.475 --> 00:25:59.175
Um, so yeah, so yeah, he just walked away. He, he killed it.
626
00:25:59.255 --> 00:26:00.775
I gotta give Patto a big shout out.
627
00:26:00.775 --> 00:26:02.055
That was a great drive from him.
628
00:26:02.405 --> 00:26:03.855
He's, he's driving really well, man.
629
00:26:03.855 --> 00:26:06.735
He's, he's doing like the, the championship run kind
630
00:26:06.735 --> 00:26:09.375
of drives where like he's not making mistakes when they
631
00:26:09.375 --> 00:26:10.415
have bad qualifyings.
632
00:26:10.415 --> 00:26:12.655
He makes, you know, good decisions in the race and,
633
00:26:12.715 --> 00:26:14.855
and whatever that a decent qualifying
634
00:26:14.855 --> 00:26:16.135
but ended up P two. No,
635
00:26:16.135 --> 00:26:17.135
James, you're absolutely right.
636
00:26:17.195 --> 00:26:20.975
He is making a championship style run for second.
637
00:26:21.485 --> 00:26:23.735
Correct? Yes. Yeah. I mean you have to win races
638
00:26:23.735 --> 00:26:24.735
Still.
639
00:26:24.735 --> 00:26:26.735
So, so no, so there was, there was a stat that, uh,
640
00:26:26.875 --> 00:26:28.935
our buddy Nathan Brown put out, um,
641
00:26:29.335 --> 00:26:31.975
I think it was yesterday, so bad someday,
642
00:26:32.345 --> 00:26:35.095
which just floored me.
643
00:26:35.155 --> 00:26:37.975
And it was so upsetting. So he essentially said, all right,
644
00:26:38.775 --> 00:26:41.135
Remember we're five races
In, we're five races in.
645
00:26:41.435 --> 00:26:45.565
He said, Alex below already has X amount of points.
646
00:26:46.445 --> 00:26:47.805
I forget what, 200 and whatever it's,
647
00:26:48.005 --> 00:26:49.005
Whatever it was.
648
00:26:49.005 --> 00:26:53.725
If, if he simply starts the remaining 12 finishes,
649
00:26:53.925 --> 00:26:56.165
DFL that stands for dead <inaudible> last.
650
00:26:56.165 --> 00:27:01.125
Right. He will score as many points as the car
651
00:27:01.385 --> 00:27:04.525
who finished 12th in the championship last year.
652
00:27:04.795 --> 00:27:08.645
Meaning he has already, he has already scored enough points
653
00:27:08.945 --> 00:27:12.005
to not show up essentially and finish 12 in the
654
00:27:12.005 --> 00:27:14.485
Championship to finish, to finish last in every race from
655
00:27:14.485 --> 00:27:17.845
here on out for, for 12 races
656
00:27:17.905 --> 00:27:19.485
of a 17 race championship.
657
00:27:19.485 --> 00:27:20.485
Yes. He can finish last
658
00:27:20.485 --> 00:27:22.005
and he'll still be in the top 12 in points.
659
00:27:22.005 --> 00:27:25.765
Mm-hmm . Like not even like we get to the end of the season
660
00:27:25.785 --> 00:27:28.245
and guys are fighting over the last spot in Leader circle.
661
00:27:28.305 --> 00:27:30.325
Mm. That's 22nd. Mm-hmm .
662
00:27:30.625 --> 00:27:33.325
We talk about the battles for 22nd and 23rd mm-hmm.
663
00:27:33.325 --> 00:27:34.485
In the last few races. Mm-hmm .
664
00:27:34.705 --> 00:27:37.085
He could be 10 positions ahead of that
665
00:27:37.665 --> 00:27:40.245
by just finishing lap, taking the start
666
00:27:40.345 --> 00:27:41.485
and pulling into pit lane.
667
00:27:41.485 --> 00:27:43.205
Mm-hmm . At the end going home. Yep.
668
00:27:43.265 --> 00:27:46.765
And going home and sipping on a margarita.
669
00:27:47.675 --> 00:27:52.285
It's, it's wild to, it is the largest points gap
670
00:27:52.545 --> 00:27:54.085
to second Points lead that anyone's had
671
00:27:54.085 --> 00:27:56.405
after five races in like the history of new car.
672
00:27:56.405 --> 00:27:59.325
Funny. So, so Connor is in a group chat of ours
673
00:27:59.705 --> 00:28:02.365
and um, so I sent that, that fact.
674
00:28:03.225 --> 00:28:07.245
And our buddy Drew was like, and Connor reacted to it.
675
00:28:07.505 --> 00:28:10.125
Um, and our buddy Drew was like, bro,
676
00:28:10.125 --> 00:28:11.245
do you wanna know what the good news is?
677
00:28:12.105 --> 00:28:14.125
You are closer. He was talking to Connor.
678
00:28:14.345 --> 00:28:16.125
You are closer to second in the
679
00:28:16.125 --> 00:28:18.045
championship with where you are.
680
00:28:18.045 --> 00:28:20.045
Then second is to first and clown's.
681
00:28:20.045 --> 00:28:21.085
Like, actually that is great news.
682
00:28:21.365 --> 00:28:24.285
I feel so much better about how things are gone.
683
00:28:24.285 --> 00:28:26.445
It's easier for Connor to catch second than it is
684
00:28:26.445 --> 00:28:27.645
for second to catch below.
685
00:28:27.855 --> 00:28:30.925
Right. Absolutely insane.
686
00:28:31.625 --> 00:28:34.725
Um, 'cause what is it, Kirkwood? That's second right now.
687
00:28:34.985 --> 00:28:36.965
It is, yes.
Um,
688
00:28:39.225 --> 00:28:40.285
who had, he had a good day too.
689
00:28:40.285 --> 00:28:42.845
He had a bad qualifying and, and picked up a bunch of spots.
690
00:28:42.845 --> 00:28:47.245
Great. Recover Rita. Great Rita again. Another top 10. Yeah.
691
00:28:47.245 --> 00:28:49.165
Just, I mean it, that's that's pretty,
692
00:28:49.635 --> 00:28:51.365
it's pretty impressive I have to say.
693
00:28:51.865 --> 00:28:55.565
Um, what he has done in a coin car,
694
00:28:55.585 --> 00:28:58.005
the past two events has been nothing short
695
00:28:58.005 --> 00:28:59.685
of astounding actually. So,
696
00:28:59.945 --> 00:29:04.845
So, so right now Kirkwood is 97 points behind polo.
697
00:29:05.385 --> 00:29:07.365
97 points between first and second.
698
00:29:07.515 --> 00:29:10.605
There's less than 10 points between second and sixth .
699
00:29:12.105 --> 00:29:14.445
So the five cars behind him are covered by less than 10.
700
00:29:15.225 --> 00:29:18.045
And, uh, and he's running around out there like a jerk.
701
00:29:18.385 --> 00:29:20.085
97 points in the
702
00:29:20.085 --> 00:29:21.085
Lead.
703
00:29:21.545 --> 00:29:26.445
Oh my God. Um, yes. So we got our caution.
704
00:29:26.505 --> 00:29:28.045
The race was, so we technically had two passes
705
00:29:28.145 --> 00:29:30.485
for the lead on track, which is good.
706
00:29:30.485 --> 00:29:31.605
Good, I guess. Mm-hmm .
707
00:29:31.785 --> 00:29:33.405
Uh, the race had some interesting ebb
708
00:29:33.405 --> 00:29:35.525
and flow throughout the way the tires played out.
709
00:29:35.745 --> 00:29:37.285
Um, so
710
00:29:37.515 --> 00:29:38.515
Yeah.
711
00:29:38.515 --> 00:29:40.285
So from, from your seat, I haven't watched the race.
712
00:29:40.625 --> 00:29:45.405
Um, your seat was the tire rule mandate,
713
00:29:45.805 --> 00:29:47.445
whatever you wanna call it, was it a success?
714
00:29:48.105 --> 00:29:51.045
Was it, uh, irrelevant? What what did
715
00:29:51.045 --> 00:29:52.045
You This this is a great question.
716
00:29:52.045 --> 00:29:53.405
This is a great question because we, you know,
717
00:29:53.405 --> 00:29:55.005
we had this conversation going into this weekend.
718
00:29:55.285 --> 00:29:57.005
I said I didn't love midseason changes
719
00:29:57.185 --> 00:29:58.645
and I didn't love this, that the other,
720
00:29:59.825 --> 00:30:02.125
but I was gonna go into it open-minded and kind of see
721
00:30:08.725 --> 00:30:09.445
I didn't hate it.
722
00:30:10.625 --> 00:30:15.555
I didn't hate it. I think that having
723
00:30:15.695 --> 00:30:19.795
to manage multiple stints on the less preferred tire
724
00:30:20.775 --> 00:30:25.675
is harder and it creates more separation.
725
00:30:25.925 --> 00:30:27.315
Especially when it's not like,
726
00:30:27.335 --> 00:30:30.515
so if everyone was going like hard, hard, soft, soft,
727
00:30:31.145 --> 00:30:33.795
then it wouldn't be, then it's irrelevant.
728
00:30:33.795 --> 00:30:35.235
Right? It's not really that worthwhile.
729
00:30:35.775 --> 00:30:39.355
But because everybody had their own way of approaching it
730
00:30:39.455 --> 00:30:42.395
and different ways of approaching it, I didn't hate it.
731
00:30:43.295 --> 00:30:45.355
Now do I think mandating that on a,
732
00:30:46.375 --> 00:30:48.195
in DGP is a three stop race, right?
733
00:30:48.195 --> 00:30:50.955
Mm-hmm . A two stopper is not actually feasible. Right.
734
00:30:50.955 --> 00:30:54.355
So do I think this is a smart thing to do at a race
735
00:30:54.355 --> 00:30:55.915
where it could be a two or a three?
736
00:30:56.415 --> 00:30:58.775
No. Okay. That's, that's my caveat.
737
00:30:59.035 --> 00:31:01.495
You can't, but
You know, you can't cherry pick. I know,
738
00:31:01.775 --> 00:31:03.935
I I agree completely with everything you just said.
739
00:31:04.255 --> 00:31:05.295
I didn't, I didn't hate it.
740
00:31:05.455 --> 00:31:09.175
I thought it was, let's be honest, it didn't,
741
00:31:09.255 --> 00:31:11.895
I don't think it changed the outcome of the race any,
742
00:31:12.135 --> 00:31:13.655
I think it added another element.
743
00:31:13.935 --> 00:31:17.535
I think you're right, it, it highlighted maybe some
744
00:31:18.375 --> 00:31:19.575
strengths and weaknesses of cars.
745
00:31:19.855 --> 00:31:21.575
I thought it was kind of fun knowing
746
00:31:21.645 --> 00:31:24.575
that like there there was more tire offsets.
747
00:31:24.575 --> 00:31:26.095
You're racing against people in different tires
748
00:31:26.195 --> 00:31:27.175
and you're right, there was
749
00:31:27.175 --> 00:31:28.375
ebb and flow and all that sort of thing.
750
00:31:28.835 --> 00:31:33.615
But we cannot, we cannot eliminate, I understand
751
00:31:33.805 --> 00:31:37.295
that fuel saving has become a a, a bone
752
00:31:37.295 --> 00:31:38.415
of contention for some people.
753
00:31:39.075 --> 00:31:41.655
Um, that's part of IndyCar racing. Yeah.
754
00:31:41.725 --> 00:31:43.175
That is, that is some
755
00:31:43.175 --> 00:31:45.935
of the best races we've had is two versus three stop.
756
00:31:46.595 --> 00:31:48.415
Now we have extended some of these races
757
00:31:48.435 --> 00:31:49.855
to kind of try and eliminate that.
758
00:31:50.115 --> 00:31:53.575
But there is still, there will be yellows
759
00:31:53.715 --> 00:31:54.895
as the season unfolds.
760
00:31:54.895 --> 00:31:57.415
Right. And there will still be opportunities for guys
761
00:31:57.555 --> 00:31:59.615
to take a gamble and cut out a pit stop.
762
00:31:59.865 --> 00:32:01.735
Right. Depending on where the yellow falls.
763
00:32:02.155 --> 00:32:04.495
And if you have a tire rule that prevents you from doing
764
00:32:04.495 --> 00:32:06.135
that, you're eliminating that option.
765
00:32:06.235 --> 00:32:07.455
And I don't think that is correct.
766
00:32:07.735 --> 00:32:09.815
I don't think I agree that
767
00:32:09.925 --> 00:32:12.815
otherwise why are we refueling? Like what
768
00:32:13.045 --> 00:32:14.045
Exactly.
769
00:32:14.045 --> 00:32:15.975
Like it's just, that is part of the spectacle of
770
00:32:15.975 --> 00:32:19.695
what IndyCar is, is no F1 doesn't do it.
771
00:32:19.955 --> 00:32:21.895
Im a kind of does it, but in a fake way.
772
00:32:22.135 --> 00:32:23.815
'cause everyone spends the exact amount
773
00:32:23.815 --> 00:32:25.695
of time input lane refueling the car.
774
00:32:25.695 --> 00:32:29.455
It's 30 seconds. Right. So it's like, then why?
775
00:32:29.875 --> 00:32:33.935
So you cannot get rid of that option for someone
776
00:32:33.995 --> 00:32:35.455
to roll the dice and to try
777
00:32:35.455 --> 00:32:36.815
and stretch it on fuel and make it work.
778
00:32:36.815 --> 00:32:39.685
Because that is part of our, our DNA
779
00:32:39.685 --> 00:32:41.565
and our entity is Yes. As a, as a series.
780
00:32:41.775 --> 00:32:44.405
Completely agree. So did it work here?
781
00:32:44.755 --> 00:32:46.725
Yeah, I would say I would give it a passing grade,
782
00:32:46.785 --> 00:32:48.925
but like, do I think we should go to Detroit
783
00:32:48.995 --> 00:32:50.565
with a three stop rule?
784
00:32:51.345 --> 00:32:52.445
No, I don't, I don't
785
00:32:52.445 --> 00:32:54.525
necessarily think that's the way to do it. Because
786
00:32:54.925 --> 00:32:59.845
Ultimately, ultimately as we saw, giving us more stops so
787
00:32:59.845 --> 00:33:02.045
that we can push flat out throughout the entire race
788
00:33:02.585 --> 00:33:03.725
didn't cause cautions.
789
00:33:03.945 --> 00:33:05.925
The only caution we had was 'cause a car broke down.
790
00:33:06.105 --> 00:33:08.205
It wasn't because people were making mistakes
791
00:33:08.225 --> 00:33:09.765
and hitting each other and all this sort of thing.
792
00:33:09.865 --> 00:33:12.525
So, and in barber everybody was pushing flat out. Exactly.
793
00:33:12.525 --> 00:33:14.045
And it didn't change. It, it, you know,
794
00:33:14.045 --> 00:33:15.445
it didn't make any better or worse in that
795
00:33:15.445 --> 00:33:16.445
Sense.
796
00:33:16.445 --> 00:33:18.565
So we can't, we can't say that this this tire thing allowed
797
00:33:18.565 --> 00:33:20.685
there to be a caution because that's, that's a lie.
798
00:33:20.685 --> 00:33:21.845
That's fake news. Correct.
799
00:33:21.845 --> 00:33:23.965
Correct. Yeah. So, so, okay,
800
00:33:24.065 --> 00:33:26.845
so when IndyCar comes to the drivers,
801
00:33:27.395 --> 00:33:28.845
Well they don't listen, so it doesn't matter.
802
00:33:28.995 --> 00:33:31.605
Yeah, I I did like a, the spicy comment from, uh,
803
00:33:32.045 --> 00:33:34.365
McLaughlin in the, in the pre-race press conference
804
00:33:35.415 --> 00:33:36.965
about this exact hire rule.
805
00:33:37.505 --> 00:33:40.235
Um, okay.
806
00:33:40.235 --> 00:33:41.635
But if IndyCar comes to you
807
00:33:42.055 --> 00:33:46.955
and says, Hey, you know this,
808
00:33:47.055 --> 00:33:48.635
we, we liked this at Indy gp,
809
00:33:51.645 --> 00:33:53.495
what do you think about implementing it somewhere else?
810
00:33:54.515 --> 00:33:56.535
Do you think it's gonna be a universal No.
811
00:33:56.765 --> 00:33:58.455
From the people behind the wheel from the
812
00:33:58.455 --> 00:33:59.615
teams? Like let's not even take
813
00:33:59.615 --> 00:34:01.255
Nothing, nothing, nothing is universal.
814
00:34:01.595 --> 00:34:03.215
Um, well actually
815
00:34:03.965 --> 00:34:05.135
That
it was universal.
816
00:34:05.135 --> 00:34:06.415
This one was no to this.
817
00:34:06.995 --> 00:34:09.335
Um, I don't think it would be universal
818
00:34:09.335 --> 00:34:12.855
because I'm sure someone will glean that they had some sort
819
00:34:12.855 --> 00:34:14.655
of advantage from doing it this way.
820
00:34:15.315 --> 00:34:17.255
But I would still say the majority will be no.
821
00:34:17.715 --> 00:34:18.815
And if you go based on
822
00:34:18.815 --> 00:34:21.975
how we've always made decisions in the past, minus this one,
823
00:34:22.475 --> 00:34:24.415
um, it's been a majority vote sort of thing.
824
00:34:24.515 --> 00:34:27.095
So, but I don't have a feeling we're gonna be asked.
825
00:34:27.315 --> 00:34:31.295
So I think we're all gonna be surprised about a race memo,
826
00:34:31.635 --> 00:34:33.735
uh, at the end of the month for Detroit.
827
00:34:34.415 --> 00:34:36.135
I just, I just wonder if they,
828
00:34:37.075 --> 00:34:38.215
Let me
Tell, you'll think about this.
829
00:34:38.355 --> 00:34:41.975
If they, if they mandate running greens twice in
830
00:34:41.975 --> 00:34:43.295
Detroit, holy,
831
00:34:44.315 --> 00:34:45.315
But that's just it.
832
00:34:45.315 --> 00:34:47.535
Right? Like that, that, and we had this conversation that's
833
00:34:47.535 --> 00:34:49.295
Gonna be, that's gonna be asinine. A
834
00:34:49.295 --> 00:34:51.175
Street's be
Such a fake fake,
835
00:34:51.195 --> 00:34:52.295
It would be a farce
Event.
836
00:34:52.475 --> 00:34:53.895
You're, you're literally gonna have
837
00:34:54.055 --> 00:34:55.135
everyone come in on lap one.
838
00:34:55.555 --> 00:34:58.535
So, so I'm thinking like Road America would be another
839
00:34:58.535 --> 00:35:00.735
good one for it because Road America,
840
00:35:01.685 --> 00:35:02.975
it's always three stops.
841
00:35:03.115 --> 00:35:05.375
Mm-hmm . You can't really do alternate strategies
842
00:35:05.495 --> 00:35:06.815
'cause pit lane's so long, the laps
843
00:35:06.915 --> 00:35:08.055
so long. Like you can't say, I, I think
844
00:35:08.075 --> 00:35:09.295
If you, if you're gonna cherry pick
845
00:35:09.675 --> 00:35:12.015
and you were gonna do it this way, which I think is dumb,
846
00:35:12.155 --> 00:35:14.055
but if you were gonna do it, you have to do the,
847
00:35:14.155 --> 00:35:16.495
the bonafide four. Sure. Three stoppers.
848
00:35:16.725 --> 00:35:17.895
Yeah. Um,
849
00:35:18.175 --> 00:35:19.575
'cause like mid Ohio can be both,
850
00:35:19.995 --> 00:35:22.295
so it doesn't really work there. Mm-hmm . Um,
851
00:35:22.695 --> 00:35:23.695
Portland can be both.
852
00:35:23.775 --> 00:35:27.255
Portland can be both. Oh,
Where else do we go?
853
00:35:27.715 --> 00:35:29.255
Or there road courses do we go to?
854
00:35:30.115 --> 00:35:32.415
That's pretty much it. We're almost done with this that we
855
00:35:32.415 --> 00:35:33.415
Haven't already.
856
00:35:33.415 --> 00:35:33.925
Yeah. Yeah.
857
00:35:35.245 --> 00:35:37.525
It's just Road America, Portland, right? Middle
858
00:35:37.525 --> 00:35:38.525
Ohio.
859
00:35:38.525 --> 00:35:41.365
Middle Ohio. Yeah.
Yeah. Five on the day.
860
00:35:41.365 --> 00:35:42.725
Five on the year. That makes sense. We got,
861
00:35:42.725 --> 00:35:44.685
Anyway, a lot of circle tracks coming up.
862
00:35:44.775 --> 00:35:48.205
Which, it's funny, I was talking, I was talking to Ed, um,
863
00:35:49.425 --> 00:35:51.165
and I was like, man, it's funny
864
00:35:51.365 --> 00:35:54.805
'cause like Palolo won so many of his championships, um,
865
00:35:55.785 --> 00:35:58.845
and he wasn't the, he was Dixon 2.0 in the sense
866
00:35:58.845 --> 00:36:00.645
that like he wasn't the qualifying guy, right?
867
00:36:00.645 --> 00:36:02.445
Like yeah, he was always putting his car on the top
868
00:36:03.215 --> 00:36:05.045
seven every weekend.
869
00:36:05.045 --> 00:36:08.325
Right. But he wasn't the the pole guy and you know, the team
870
00:36:08.345 --> 00:36:09.725
and him would execute and,
871
00:36:09.725 --> 00:36:10.845
and be very good on, on
872
00:36:11.025 --> 00:36:12.645
on sequences and all that sort of thing.
873
00:36:12.645 --> 00:36:15.005
And they would come out with a win and he won championships.
874
00:36:15.745 --> 00:36:17.245
Now he's the qualifying guy too.
875
00:36:17.705 --> 00:36:19.685
Um, which is awesome for him.
876
00:36:19.925 --> 00:36:21.365
I guess , how,
877
00:36:21.705 --> 00:36:24.565
how screwed are we all if he also in this off season has
878
00:36:24.565 --> 00:36:26.525
figured out ovals because, well,
879
00:36:26.915 --> 00:36:28.805
Dude, yeah.
880
00:36:28.825 --> 00:36:30.685
Here's the thing. He hasn't like,
881
00:36:30.865 --> 00:36:32.845
not figured them out like his No,
882
00:36:32.845 --> 00:36:34.525
But like, he's not
Finishing record's. Not
883
00:36:34.845 --> 00:36:35.845
Terrible.
884
00:36:35.845 --> 00:36:38.645
I know, but he's still you at this point.
885
00:36:38.965 --> 00:36:40.605
Everyone shows up
886
00:36:40.605 --> 00:36:42.485
to run street course race and they're like, ugh.
887
00:36:43.195 --> 00:36:46.365
Like there's not, you don't have that feeling going
888
00:36:46.385 --> 00:36:47.525
to to ovals yet.
889
00:36:47.785 --> 00:36:49.965
No. Right. I feel like when you go to an oval right now,
890
00:36:50.145 --> 00:36:53.005
you're looking at Joseph, you're looking at Patto
891
00:36:53.025 --> 00:36:55.685
as like the kind of two guarantees to be up there,
892
00:36:57.085 --> 00:36:58.085
McLaughlin.
893
00:36:58.665 --> 00:37:01.285
Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Fair. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good call.
894
00:37:01.355 --> 00:37:04.205
Good call. Um, those are kind of your,
895
00:37:04.235 --> 00:37:07.405
your three almost inevitabilities, you know, in the same way
896
00:37:07.405 --> 00:37:09.725
that when you go to a Rotor street track, it's your,
897
00:37:09.725 --> 00:37:11.405
you know, your PLOS and your,
898
00:37:11.435 --> 00:37:12.885
Your Herda and
Herda.
899
00:37:13.035 --> 00:37:14.245
Yeah. Um,
900
00:37:15.665 --> 00:37:18.605
but like he's still, like, he's got several podiums.
901
00:37:18.685 --> 00:37:19.685
I know he doesn't have his win yet,
902
00:37:19.685 --> 00:37:21.845
but he's got several podiums in ovals.
903
00:37:22.425 --> 00:37:23.525
Um, I think
904
00:37:23.525 --> 00:37:25.125
before his crash in Iowa last year,
905
00:37:25.125 --> 00:37:26.645
like his worst oval finish
906
00:37:27.585 --> 00:37:31.405
was like, oh, sorry.
907
00:37:31.445 --> 00:37:33.885
I I think he, I think he got taken out his very first one in
908
00:37:33.885 --> 00:37:35.325
Texas back in like 2020.
909
00:37:36.185 --> 00:37:37.325
But like, I I want to say
910
00:37:37.325 --> 00:37:39.565
after that first you since gac, his worst level will finish
911
00:37:39.565 --> 00:37:43.645
until that crash at Iowa was like 12th, like 10th or 12th.
912
00:37:43.645 --> 00:37:44.765
Like it was pretty solid.
913
00:37:44.905 --> 00:37:47.685
And like if all you have to do is finish top 10,
914
00:37:48.225 --> 00:37:50.285
top 10 in the, well he 90, 97 point
915
00:37:50.285 --> 00:37:51.325
lead, he, he doesn't have show
916
00:37:51.325 --> 00:37:52.325
Up finish.
917
00:37:52.325 --> 00:37:53.005
Yeah. He doesn't have to do anything. He gonna skip it.
918
00:37:53.005 --> 00:37:54.845
Yeah. Like if he wins Indy,
919
00:37:54.865 --> 00:37:56.805
he might feasibly just miss Detroit
920
00:37:56.805 --> 00:37:59.765
because he, you know, he could just take that weekend off,
921
00:38:00.215 --> 00:38:02.445
enjoy bit of downtime, do the media that he needs to do.
922
00:38:03.045 --> 00:38:04.445
Speaking of cherry picking, he might just
923
00:38:04.905 --> 00:38:06.085
cherry pick the tracks.
924
00:38:06.085 --> 00:38:10.445
He likes . Yeah. Like, oh, I don't really like Portland.
925
00:38:10.685 --> 00:38:11.645
I mean, who does, right. Yeah.
926
00:38:11.645 --> 00:38:12.685
I was gonna stick that one. I ain't going.
927
00:38:13.035 --> 00:38:16.365
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Weird, weird.
928
00:38:17.105 --> 00:38:19.405
Um, alright, other racing stuff.
929
00:38:20.185 --> 00:38:21.405
Um, just quickly
930
00:38:21.405 --> 00:38:24.325
before we, I just wanna close on your thoughts, uh,
931
00:38:24.325 --> 00:38:25.685
heading into practice week,
932
00:38:25.745 --> 00:38:28.605
but um, we were talking about this earlier, the shout out
933
00:38:28.605 --> 00:38:29.805
to Team Penske and imsa.
934
00:38:30.865 --> 00:38:35.485
Unreal. Unreal. Another one, two at Laguna. Which, how,
935
00:38:35.585 --> 00:38:38.045
How in the, I mean this is kind of similar to
936
00:38:38.045 --> 00:38:39.685
what Palolo is doing in a spec.
937
00:38:39.685 --> 00:38:41.245
Yeah. I say that with quote Air Air
938
00:38:41.245 --> 00:38:42.725
Quotations championship, right?
939
00:38:42.995 --> 00:38:44.965
Walking the field in four or five.
940
00:38:45.625 --> 00:38:49.685
Um, but in like a championship, that is
941
00:38:50.305 --> 00:38:54.045
the performance and pace is directly controlled in order
942
00:38:54.105 --> 00:38:55.845
to make it a better show
943
00:38:56.025 --> 00:38:57.885
and more entertaining and more even.
944
00:38:58.425 --> 00:39:00.685
How on earth is Penske doing this?
945
00:39:02.345 --> 00:39:04.375
Right? They're three for three. They're three for three.
946
00:39:05.435 --> 00:39:06.735
Uh, yeah man.
947
00:39:06.735 --> 00:39:10.295
And like, and the first two were 12 and 24 hours long.
948
00:39:10.295 --> 00:39:11.295
They're four for four actually.
949
00:39:12.795 --> 00:39:14.765
What
Do you mean they won? They won Long Beach. Oh.
950
00:39:14.845 --> 00:39:18.085
'cause they won. Oh, long five. Forgot about Long Beach.
951
00:39:19.065 --> 00:39:20.725
Um, yes. Sorry, four for four.
952
00:39:21.205 --> 00:39:22.485
I do they win petite last year.
953
00:39:22.485 --> 00:39:23.965
Are they actually like five on the trot?
954
00:39:23.965 --> 00:39:25.445
It doesn't matter. It's, it's insane. I
955
00:39:25.445 --> 00:39:26.685
Think BW won petite, but yeah,
956
00:39:26.875 --> 00:39:28.165
It's insane what they're doing it.
957
00:39:29.745 --> 00:39:31.165
But it comes down to execution, right?
958
00:39:31.165 --> 00:39:32.725
Like ultimately if you, if the car
959
00:39:32.725 --> 00:39:33.725
Performance is controlled.
960
00:39:33.725 --> 00:39:34.805
Yeah, but I don't care. I don't care.
961
00:39:35.345 --> 00:39:38.405
No, it doesn't because James, like you, we
962
00:39:39.145 --> 00:39:42.525
we all have been very a part of BOP, right?
963
00:39:42.705 --> 00:39:45.085
Yes. And there's some tracks where you get hosts,
964
00:39:45.145 --> 00:39:47.445
not intentionally, right, but based on the
965
00:39:47.515 --> 00:39:49.005
Just nature of the car
Track
966
00:39:49.005 --> 00:39:52.045
and whether you have weight or not or power or not
967
00:39:52.065 --> 00:39:53.285
or all this sort of thing, fuel
968
00:39:53.345 --> 00:39:55.085
or not, like there's gonna be something
969
00:39:55.085 --> 00:39:56.245
that disadvantages you.
970
00:39:56.345 --> 00:39:59.925
Mm-hmm And we have had, as you said, a 24 hour race,
971
00:40:00.485 --> 00:40:02.725
a 12 hour race, a street course race
972
00:40:02.985 --> 00:40:04.165
and a permanent road course race.
973
00:40:04.865 --> 00:40:07.885
And like that Porsche historically has not been
974
00:40:09.545 --> 00:40:11.045
the benchmark everywhere.
975
00:40:11.115 --> 00:40:12.605
Like it's, it's been good,
976
00:40:12.865 --> 00:40:14.565
but it's not, I'd argue
977
00:40:14.595 --> 00:40:17.285
that like the Cadillac has been the benchmark across all
978
00:40:17.285 --> 00:40:18.885
these different types of tracks, right?
979
00:40:19.265 --> 00:40:21.645
And then almost the Acura and then the Porsche.
980
00:40:21.905 --> 00:40:23.965
So it's, it's crazy to me what they're able to do
981
00:40:24.025 --> 00:40:27.085
unless do they have some wild BOP in their favor?
982
00:40:27.275 --> 00:40:29.565
Like is that a conspiracy theory that we wanna get behind?
983
00:40:30.005 --> 00:40:32.485
I mean it's not impossible. It's not impossible.
984
00:40:32.485 --> 00:40:34.005
We've seen, we've seen sometimes,
985
00:40:34.325 --> 00:40:35.365
I mean they don't own that series,
986
00:40:35.365 --> 00:40:36.365
right?
?
987
00:40:36.985 --> 00:40:41.645
No. But we have seen at times IMSA waits for
988
00:40:43.945 --> 00:40:46.805
an abundance of evidence that a change is needed
989
00:40:46.805 --> 00:40:48.045
before the change is needed.
990
00:40:48.945 --> 00:40:52.005
And you know, you've been on the, on the, on the other side
991
00:40:52.005 --> 00:40:54.925
of that where a change was implemented against a team you
992
00:40:54.925 --> 00:40:57.565
were driving for that wasn't really based on the car's
993
00:40:57.565 --> 00:40:59.205
performance, it's the drivers were like
994
00:40:59.425 --> 00:41:00.925
saving fuel intentionally.
995
00:41:01.225 --> 00:41:02.605
And the team
996
00:41:02.745 --> 00:41:04.285
or the Sears was like, oh you guys can go
997
00:41:04.285 --> 00:41:05.525
to long in your stints.
998
00:41:05.525 --> 00:41:08.085
We're we're taking your fuel ba your fuel tank smaller.
999
00:41:08.085 --> 00:41:08.965
It's like, well no, that's not
1000
00:41:08.965 --> 00:41:10.165
why, that's not how that should work.
1001
00:41:10.705 --> 00:41:12.565
So I don't know, there's a chance
1002
00:41:12.565 --> 00:41:14.805
that it's just taking a little bit longer for them to react
1003
00:41:14.805 --> 00:41:16.405
or they're reacting in small amounts.
1004
00:41:16.405 --> 00:41:18.085
And look Sebring and,
1005
00:41:18.085 --> 00:41:20.285
and Daytona, it doesn't matter how fast your car is, right?
1006
00:41:20.345 --> 00:41:22.725
You have to be just like good in execute over,
1007
00:41:22.725 --> 00:41:26.685
like a lot can go wrong for a fast car in 24 hours, right?
1008
00:41:26.685 --> 00:41:28.325
Yes. Yes. So it's not always the fastest car
1009
00:41:28.325 --> 00:41:30.685
that wins, right?
1010
00:41:30.945 --> 00:41:32.725
So yes. Long Beach, yes.
1011
00:41:32.745 --> 00:41:34.165
You start up front, you finish up front.
1012
00:41:34.165 --> 00:41:35.405
There's not really a lot of strategy there.
1013
00:41:35.705 --> 00:41:38.245
Laguna, that's a proper track. The car needs to be working.
1014
00:41:38.945 --> 00:41:42.605
Um, so maybe, maybe they're good in those types of tracks
1015
00:41:42.605 --> 00:41:43.645
and like just kind
1016
00:41:43.645 --> 00:41:47.645
of outperformed their program in the two enduros we will
1017
00:41:47.645 --> 00:41:48.685
see as the season goes on.
1018
00:41:49.025 --> 00:41:50.085
Uh, but we just wanted to give them a
1019
00:41:50.085 --> 00:41:51.245
shout out 'cause that was very impressive.
1020
00:41:51.825 --> 00:41:55.405
Um, and then yes, we start practicing tomorrow for the 500.
1021
00:41:55.985 --> 00:41:57.405
Uh, Alex. Yeah.
1022
00:41:58.025 --> 00:42:00.645
How much has changed for you since the open test?
1023
00:42:01.025 --> 00:42:03.565
Uh, are you guys going with similar program?
1024
00:42:03.955 --> 00:42:04.965
Have you changed a lot?
1025
00:42:05.105 --> 00:42:07.245
What's your, what's your deal going into practice? We
1026
00:42:07.245 --> 00:42:09.205
Changed virtually nothing.
1027
00:42:09.825 --> 00:42:10.825
Um
1028
00:42:11.115 --> 00:42:11.845
Okay. Change
1029
00:42:11.845 --> 00:42:12.845
Virtually nothing.
1030
00:42:12.845 --> 00:42:16.665
I mean there's some, there's some very small,
1031
00:42:18.085 --> 00:42:21.625
uh, component changes that are month of May only.
1032
00:42:21.885 --> 00:42:25.465
Um, but in terms of like, it's the same car, same floor, um,
1033
00:42:25.975 --> 00:42:28.465
same, all of the parts, the good parts
1034
00:42:28.495 --> 00:42:31.145
that we had at the open test will, will still be on the car.
1035
00:42:31.685 --> 00:42:34.065
Um, there's obviously some, some special stuff
1036
00:42:34.065 --> 00:42:35.985
that goes on all cars up
1037
00:42:35.985 --> 00:42:38.545
and down the grid, um, come Saturday morning for qualifying.
1038
00:42:38.965 --> 00:42:40.305
But yeah, no, it's, it's the car
1039
00:42:40.305 --> 00:42:42.105
that we left the open test with, happy with.
1040
00:42:42.365 --> 00:42:45.185
Um, it's, it's again gonna be a,
1041
00:42:45.665 --> 00:42:47.185
I think a pretty representative week.
1042
00:42:47.485 --> 00:42:49.225
Um, you know, by the time we get to Thursday,
1043
00:42:49.255 --> 00:42:52.665
it's mid eighties, um, you know, qualifying, the,
1044
00:42:52.665 --> 00:42:54.465
the draw is gonna be super critical.
1045
00:42:54.605 --> 00:42:55.985
You know, it, it's gonna warm
1046
00:42:55.985 --> 00:42:57.105
up throughout the day on Saturday.
1047
00:42:57.365 --> 00:43:00.705
So if you can get an early draw, um, that'll be,
1048
00:43:00.705 --> 00:43:03.625
that'll make your Saturday quite easy from a stress
1049
00:43:03.625 --> 00:43:06.705
standpoint at least, um, of, of maybe not having
1050
00:43:06.705 --> 00:43:08.625
to run again, uh, to get into the fast 12.
1051
00:43:09.365 --> 00:43:12.745
Um, and I can tell you, you know, I talked to, I didn't talk
1052
00:43:12.745 --> 00:43:14.265
to many people after the open test,
1053
00:43:14.285 --> 00:43:16.425
but I talked to quite a few people, um,
1054
00:43:16.425 --> 00:43:19.745
during driver intros, uh, for the GP on, on Saturday,
1055
00:43:20.005 --> 00:43:21.905
you know, just, you know, how was your car on the open test
1056
00:43:21.925 --> 00:43:23.785
and what do you think and all this sort of thing.
1057
00:43:23.845 --> 00:43:26.305
And everyone was like, yeah, it was pretty good,
1058
00:43:26.365 --> 00:43:29.025
but holy cow Q Sims are hard.
1059
00:43:29.925 --> 00:43:33.945
Um, so I think it's gonna be qualifying weekend.
1060
00:43:34.005 --> 00:43:36.825
You know, we, we say how it's, um, for me,
1061
00:43:37.085 --> 00:43:38.825
and I think you agree James, like it's,
1062
00:43:38.825 --> 00:43:41.385
it's the best weekend IndyCar outside of the 500.
1063
00:43:41.685 --> 00:43:44.305
Um, and I think it's gonna be even more wild this year.
1064
00:43:44.375 --> 00:43:48.785
Like it's the, the days of bravery
1065
00:43:49.325 --> 00:43:52.585
in terms of trimming are back and
1066
00:43:52.585 --> 00:43:55.825
because previously the cars, um, even with the Arrow screen
1067
00:43:55.825 --> 00:43:59.145
and the added boost that we had in 2020, um,
1068
00:43:59.945 --> 00:44:01.865
everyone was kind of by everyone.
1069
00:44:02.245 --> 00:44:04.945
All of the, the top cars were kind of getting
1070
00:44:04.965 --> 00:44:06.065
to a similar trim level
1071
00:44:06.205 --> 00:44:08.265
and then it was just a matter of kind of scrub
1072
00:44:08.265 --> 00:44:10.465
through the corners and car build.
1073
00:44:10.485 --> 00:44:13.505
And if you had a, a very good car in terms of car speed,
1074
00:44:13.505 --> 00:44:15.065
day, year, and fall off exactly.
1075
00:44:15.365 --> 00:44:19.985
Um, this year you, you are not getting to the trim level
1076
00:44:20.135 --> 00:44:21.985
that, that we previously have gotten to.
1077
00:44:22.165 --> 00:44:23.465
Um, so really just
1078
00:44:23.545 --> 00:44:25.585
'cause the extra
Weight, just 'cause the extra weight.
1079
00:44:25.645 --> 00:44:28.065
So that means the opportunity, um, for someone
1080
00:44:28.165 --> 00:44:32.245
to put a big set of on is gonna exist to try and go for it.
1081
00:44:32.785 --> 00:44:36.005
Um, and it's gonna be about can you tolerate it
1082
00:44:36.105 --> 00:44:37.325
and suck it up
1083
00:44:37.325 --> 00:44:39.285
and hold it flat for four laps, which is awesome.
1084
00:44:39.285 --> 00:44:40.685
That's how it should be. Yeah.
1085
00:44:40.685 --> 00:44:43.005
It shouldn't be about, oh, I don't wanna trim too much,
1086
00:44:43.005 --> 00:44:45.285
so I'm scrubbing too much sort of thing.
1087
00:44:45.285 --> 00:44:47.645
Like, I want to trim to the point where I'm dying
1088
00:44:47.705 --> 00:44:51.085
and I so badly wanna lift on lot four. So it's pretty cool.
1089
00:44:51.085 --> 00:44:52.965
Yeah. Yeah.
That is cool. Cool.
1090
00:44:53.065 --> 00:44:54.085
All right, well I'm excited.
1091
00:44:54.385 --> 00:44:58.215
Um, good luck over the practice
1092
00:44:58.595 --> 00:45:00.575
and uh, Tim wants to say something.
1093
00:45:01.075 --> 00:45:02.455
Um, just wanna remind everybody,
1094
00:45:02.515 --> 00:45:04.855
we do have the live show on the 19th.
1095
00:45:04.965 --> 00:45:07.375
Alex won't be there. He's got, uh, you know,
1096
00:45:07.375 --> 00:45:09.375
some other stuff going on in May, but James
1097
00:45:09.375 --> 00:45:11.215
and I'll be there, Clayton Anderson will be there.
1098
00:45:11.555 --> 00:45:12.695
And then, uh, right
1099
00:45:12.695 --> 00:45:14.175
after that show, Alex,
1100
00:45:14.315 --> 00:45:15.975
you have a Java House thing at the
1101
00:45:15.975 --> 00:45:17.135
track too, if you wanna tell anybody
1102
00:45:17.135 --> 00:45:18.135
About it.
1103
00:45:18.135 --> 00:45:19.815
I do. So I won't, I won't make the live show on the Monday,
1104
00:45:20.075 --> 00:45:22.335
um, because it's, and it's as
1105
00:45:22.335 --> 00:45:24.375
A kid and then suddenly, you know, no
1106
00:45:24.425 --> 00:45:25.425
Relax, it's too big.
1107
00:45:25.745 --> 00:45:27.255
Relax. Uh, it's just
1108
00:45:27.255 --> 00:45:28.255
Getting peed on.
1109
00:45:28.845 --> 00:45:30.215
It's, uh, right after our session.
1110
00:45:30.395 --> 00:45:33.255
And so I gotta, I gotta obviously debrief and then right
1111
00:45:33.255 --> 00:45:35.775
after the debrief I have a Java House
1112
00:45:35.775 --> 00:45:37.095
appearance in the Midway.
1113
00:45:37.155 --> 00:45:39.575
So if you want to go get your James
1114
00:45:39.795 --> 00:45:42.375
and Tim fix, um, at the live show, go do that.
1115
00:45:42.475 --> 00:45:43.695
And then if you wanna come tell me
1116
00:45:43.695 --> 00:45:45.615
how terrible Tim is in person.
1117
00:45:45.645 --> 00:45:46.735
Yeah. Come do that right
1118
00:45:46.735 --> 00:45:47.775
Afterwards, I'll sign your hats.
1119
00:45:47.885 --> 00:45:50.495
Yeah.
Uh, Tim, remind everybody the deal
1120
00:45:50.565 --> 00:45:52.175
with the live show tickets and everything,
1121
00:45:52.275 --> 00:45:53.815
We, we have the, the link on social.
1122
00:45:53.925 --> 00:45:56.375
I'll push that again, uh, so you can get 'em on there.
1123
00:45:56.815 --> 00:45:59.615
I, I don't know how many are left. Um, we're, it's
1124
00:45:59.615 --> 00:46:00.615
Li it's limited.
1125
00:46:00.615 --> 00:46:01.455
It's a full day at the track.
1126
00:46:01.525 --> 00:46:03.055
It's not just for the live show.
1127
00:46:03.355 --> 00:46:06.095
You get to hang out in a tower terrace suite, it's catered.
1128
00:46:06.125 --> 00:46:07.215
There's food, there's drinks,
1129
00:46:07.215 --> 00:46:09.295
there's the live show once practice is finished.
1130
00:46:09.595 --> 00:46:12.535
And then, yeah, mosey Wright, uh, right on down
1131
00:46:12.535 --> 00:46:14.495
to the midway post hour show
1132
00:46:14.955 --> 00:46:16.975
to catch the Java house appearance with Alex.
1133
00:46:17.515 --> 00:46:18.735
Uh, I'm gonna go bug him
1134
00:46:19.015 --> 00:46:20.375
'cause it's fun watching him work,
1135
00:46:21.025 --> 00:46:22.695
especially when I don't have to do anything
1136
00:46:23.165 --> 00:46:24.165
Pods, you know?
1137
00:46:24.855 --> 00:46:27.305
Yeah, fair. Tim would like some more pods. Yeah.
1138
00:46:27.365 --> 00:46:29.425
So that's, uh, that's all coming up guys. It's exciting.
1139
00:46:29.445 --> 00:46:30.865
So yes, best of luck in practice.
1140
00:46:30.865 --> 00:46:33.745
Best of luck in qualifying. Uh, I'm super excited.
1141
00:46:33.985 --> 00:46:36.465
I, I, it's because of what you just said.
1142
00:46:36.565 --> 00:46:38.145
You know, I have a whole new like, level
1143
00:46:38.145 --> 00:46:39.585
of excitement for qualifying this year.
1144
00:46:40.205 --> 00:46:43.105
Um, you can watch it all on Fox Practices on
1145
00:46:43.485 --> 00:46:44.505
FS one and FS two.
1146
00:46:45.165 --> 00:46:48.545
And, uh, yeah guys, we will check in next week.
1147
00:46:48.655 --> 00:46:51.425
It's crazy to think how many hours you're gonna have been on
1148
00:46:51.425 --> 00:46:53.425
the track before we talk on the show again.
1149
00:46:53.765 --> 00:46:54.865
So we'll have lots to cover,
1150
00:46:55.245 --> 00:46:57.385
but hopefully we'll see you guys on Monday.
1151
00:46:57.965 --> 00:46:59.785
Uh, hopefully we'll see you out at the track over
1152
00:46:59.825 --> 00:47:00.865
the weekend and over the week.
1153
00:47:00.865 --> 00:47:03.025
Come say hi, and we will chat to you guys soon.
1154
00:47:04.455 --> 00:47:05.865
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1155
00:47:05.865 --> 00:47:07.425
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1156
00:47:07.425 --> 00:47:09.745
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1157
00:47:10.165 --> 00:47:11.305
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1158
00:47:11.305 --> 00:47:13.265
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