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This is, is off track.
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Hello. And welcome to an episode
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of Off Track with Hinch and Rossi.
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That's just Hinch and Rossi. Yes. Finally, bro,
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What the people have always wanted
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and have asked for. No, Tim.
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And what, honestly, I, we wanted,
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Look, there was a time when we started this , it was,
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he's, it was necessary , it was necessary
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to have him on board.
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Yeah. Uh, we didn't know how to, you know,
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hit record on a program, bro.
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You know how like this, and now in like, history,
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there's those like really valuable lost files.
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Like this episode, like our podcast one day might be
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so important to kids and this, this could be the end of it.
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And this episode may never air.
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And think of all of the information that we
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discussed that we unfortunately can't air
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for 33 minutes prior to this.
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Imagine what those kids in like 2090 when they're
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studying sports broadcasting history,
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and they find this archive on a hard drive
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That would be, it's gonna be, it will have,
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it will have either predicted the solution to,
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or complete fall of something that we love very much.
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Yes. And, and we'll leave it at that.
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But yeah, that, that would be a funny thing
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to stumble across, you know, 50 years from now.
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Mm-hmm. Oh man. Actually let's make it longer than that.
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Let's make it like a hundred years so
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that we're gone and don't have to answer and
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Answer to anything.
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There's no repercussions from
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what we've discussed up to this point.
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Cool. Oh man. Mm. Um, yeah. Yes.
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So good call. You're, you're, uh, you're in Mexico.
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Let's, let's get right, uh, your last weekend.
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So formula, uh, returns to North America.
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Um, back in Austin it looked packed, which is as
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Always
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Um, and and how, how was it hot?
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So it was hot. Yeah, it was definitely hot.
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I think it was the hottest race they've had there,
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which is saying something for Austin.
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Yeah. Um, talked about the, the ness.
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I don't know what changed from years past.
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'cause I've done that race a couple times now.
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And it was actually, it was my fourth anniversary.
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That was my, uh, it was four years ago. Did you have a cake?
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My first, first F1 race there? Uh, no.
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Nobody, I didn't tell anybody. Nobody cared.
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It's irrelevant, but for the last three years, yeah.
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You know, look, it's not the easiest place to get out of,
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you know, the parking lots get kind of packed when you leave
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and there's only kind of two directions you can leave the
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track from outta the same road.
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But, you know, once you're moving, it's not too, too bad.
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The traffic, both getting in, which was new
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and getting out was exponentially worse.
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I don't know how, there was not that many more people,
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if any, more people than last year.
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But they did something different incorrectly with that.
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And it led to like one morning in the, whoever
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decides who directs traffics, uh, defense.
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We being the group of people in my car, so like me and Laura
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and Palmer and Jake Z were given the wrong parking pass.
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And so there were certain places where f
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One's not known to be sticklers about passes, though
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don't even get me started on that , that that led
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to some very colorful
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conversation in the car ride on the way in.
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Mm-hmm . But it was, it was more that there were certain
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places where the, the cops had like blocked off roads
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and were re redirecting traffic
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unless you had a certain parking pass.
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'cause then they would let you through to go to.
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of not being on site in time for first practice.
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Oh.
And so we pulled up to one of these, uh,
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the first one, the first blockade.
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And we were like, Hey man, we worked for F1 tv.
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We're on air in a very short amount of time.
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We were given the wrong parking pass.
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We need to go this way.
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And the guy like kind of was like, you work for F1 tv.
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Like we work for F1, we're on tv, but we're super late.
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We got the wrong pass, whatever. And he's like, okay.
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So like, okay, sweet, we're in.
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But we go through and then there's like a road
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with no cars on it and we blast.
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We're like making up time blast on this road.
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Then we come to a stop, it's another intersection
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and there's another cop
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and they're like, oh, you have the wrong pass.
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I'm like, yeah, yeah, no, sorry.
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Uh, we just explained to your, your colleague there
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and did the whole story again.
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And they were like, yeah, but you have the wrong pass.
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I'm like, yeah, but I can't be here
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unless he thought it was okay that, that, that I'm here.
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So like, can we, can we agree
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that I didn't just run past him?
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Like you didn't get a radio call saying look out for a,
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you know, rental blue rental car.
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So I had to work our way through that one.
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Got through that one. Then we come up to the third blockade
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where we need to turn a direction that they're not even
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like, that's not even part of the past program.
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And, and now this guy, I had talked to this guy,
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I think he actually watches F1 TV
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'cause he seemed to clock who we
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were in the car immediately.
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And we're like, I'm like, we need to go left. He goes, okay.
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And I had to like stop traffic in both
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directions and let us turn left.
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Had we not been able to talk our way through that.
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Which again, understandably dealing
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with like cops directing traffic in a big event like that,
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they're not often open to making concessions for people
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who claim they have the wrong parking pass. ,
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we got very lucky, dude.
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We might still be on our way to the track. Mm-hmm.
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It was very tense.
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Anyway, that part aside, um,
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Austin's just a great one as you know.
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And, and, and it's obviously quite different now from when,
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from when you were racing there.
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'cause like yeah. There's people, there's a lot of people.
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It's like people are excited about racing. Yeah.
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I never had any sort of issue getting into or out
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Of the track.
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Right. At Austin. Yeah. Yeah.
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I would've, I would've loved you.
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You two have been on the grid at at this time. Mm.
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'cause there's a lot of people there. And a big old American
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flag can turn one and it looks it's pretty cool man. It
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Is.
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That's when the, the whole that's nice.
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Like turn one berm is just shoulder to shoulder people.
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His big, I'm not gonna, he's got a lot of time
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to discipline Big <inaudible> off American
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flag hanging up at the top of,
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Just keep drumming it in man. Just keep, keep going. Blow
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It in the wind.
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Yep. You know what they did though? You know what they did?
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They had like black hawk helicopters do the flyover.
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And I was like, that is such a rip off of the 500 this year,
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Which was ripped off the Daytona 500
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From like 30 years ago.
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We let it breathe, you know. Yeah.
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But like you can't, that's like,
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you can't That's that Stones at Glasshouse
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Dude.
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Fine. Alex. Fine Alex, listen. You're right. That's true.
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I kind of forgot
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It came from.
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And also like that's still just badass.
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Like that's the most American, like for big US events,
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black Hawk helicopters should be everything the day.
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It's the standard we do leading up to. Yes.
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That should be the standard. Should be
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Mandatory. Yeah.
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Um, alright. Yeah.
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But the event's awesome. It gets blown
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up like all the teams do. Did
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You get on the rollercoaster?
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'cause they're now No. Trying to be Abu Dhabi. Oh
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I, it's weird. There's like three
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rollercoasters on the property now.
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I didn't even know about it until I was on Instagram
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and I saw someone on it.
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You saw Mario? And I was like, no.
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I saw, oh, what driver went on
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it? Was it Charles? I don't know.
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No, I don't
Know.
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Anyways, I didn't see it. Um, yeah.
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And I was like, wait a second, this isn't Austin.
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That's, it's like Ferrari world, which is again,
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did you see the renderings for the building?
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They're gonna put at the top of the hill in turn. I
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Sure did.
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Alex. That looks pretty neat.
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Here's, here's a little fun fact that I'll tell you about.
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Um, there was a period of time in, in 20 13, 14
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and 15 where um, my dad
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and I were working with Bobby Epstein, I think was his name.
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Epstein? Yeah.
Is he still involved at Coda? Yep.
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Like owns it. Runs it. I think
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So. Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. That place was about to disappear
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because yeah, no one was going
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and they couldn't justify the sanction fee and hosting F1
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and it just wasn't making sense.
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And so he commissioned us being the American representation
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to go out there and try and find investors and supporters.
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Now they have three rollercoasters
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and are building a sick suite,
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the top of the hill and turn one
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And I race until 2030.
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How?
1 20, 34, something like that.
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How changes have timed
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Yes.
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How the turns have tabled. Um, yeah. Crazy man. Crazy.
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Anyways, whatever. Good for them.
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Let's talk about the race different. Well,
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It was weekend. It's so
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Qualifying one.
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Qualifying one. Um, you know, obviously,
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you know Max was on poll,
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But, but that's not obvious because Lando led practice
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and then he led Q1, Q2
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And his theoreticals were good enough for poll in Q3.
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But what happened?
Max happened. Mm.
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Max maxed, which is, this is what's so interesting man.
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'cause like he's obviously been on this run, right?
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He won Manza, he won in Baku,
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Isn't it? He scored, scored
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In
Singapore, scored like 176 out
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of 190 available points.
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119 out of 133 or something available. Okay.
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I don't know where my numbers came from, but yes.
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Okay. But yeah, the concept is right in an insane
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percentage since the, since that the summer break,
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I guess he's finished second, first, first, second,
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first in a sprint And first
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Is that good?
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It's not all it's a Well, so like, you know like
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how Palolo normally finishes first, first, second, first,
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first, first, first,
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First, first, first, first. Yeah.
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So kind of Palolo esque. Mm.
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And um, you could like Mazda's kind
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of a unique place obviously, right.
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B who's kind of a unique place.
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Singapore has never really been a strong Red Bull track
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and he didn't win there, but neither did McLaren.
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He still beat McLaren. Mm-hmm.
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Like a McLaren has not beat him in four full weekends. Hmm.
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Right. They beat him in in Zandor. He came second.
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But since then they have not finished ahead of him.
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Um, but then we got to, we got to code on
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and it's like, okay, this is a proper track.
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This is a proper road course. We're not a straight circuit.
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We're on a weird, like this one's got a bit of everything.
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It's hot, like tired egg's gonna be a thing.
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This should really play it.
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McLaren is like, yes. Should be the here. Yeah.
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And yeah, the, the thing about it is
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that's just not exactly what happened.
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So what that's proven is that whatever they've done
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to this Red Bull in the last six weeks
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has made it a genuine contender
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at all tracks. Now. Like it's,
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But hilariously the second card ,
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it's no different.
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Yeah. I mean when he was on polling the sprint Yuki his
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18th in the sprint, but he had, he got, he got,
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he ran outta time or so he didn't get his second lap.
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There was a lot of that weird
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dick around. Don't worry around
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Trying to get don't worry, we're gonna get
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to not getting your second lap here in a second.
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Yeah. Um, so yeah, so so Lando wasn't able to get it done.
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He was second. Oscar was third I guess,
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and Kinberg was fourth.
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How about that? Yes, Kinberg was separate quick in
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Practice and like, and like P five in practice one.
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So it wasn't like some like conditioned change,
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like there was no rain involved.
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Like he was legitimately in contention. Okay.
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And, um, if Max
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wins the championship, not saying that anything
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about this incident is Nico's fault,
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but like Nico probably should get dinner bought for him by
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Max.
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Okay. So let's get to turn one then. Yeah.
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What, how did you see the turn one?
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No, I saw turn one as a complete racing incident. Yeah.
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It was nobody's fault.
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It wasn't Oscar's fault, it wasn't Nico's fault.
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It was, it's a tight corner and it's super wide on entry
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and cars, two cars, one spot sort of thing.
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Which, um, hilariously,
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and I don't mean any ill will towards Lando
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because I, I love Lando
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and I love everything that he's doing.
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But like hilariously Oscar's little run in with Nico
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pitched him so high in the air, it like hit Lando
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and ripped his right front off .
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Meanwhile, max is like already five seconds up the road, .
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And the worst case scenario
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for McLaren other than it being the actual race, uh, kind
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of happened and it's like mm-hmm .
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Man, you start to add these things up, right?
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You start to add Lando failure in Zor, you start
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to add the whole piss stop positioned kerfuffle in Monza,
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you add Oscar's issues in Baku then that at the sprint,
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it's like you'd be really hard pressing McLaren
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to start thinking is this, is this not meant to be like,
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are we, are we actually in trouble of giving this thing up
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to Max at this point because it's, he's coming.
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It's got, it's got some 2007 vibes in a big way when
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Alonzo and Hamilton were just
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hamming each other taking points off one another as and
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Here comes Kimmy. Yeah.
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Calmly won three
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of the last four races in the championship by a point.
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Yeah. But yeah man, it's like, so, but here's the thing.
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Like I still, I think back to him being 104 points
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behind after the break,
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What is he now? 40
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40?
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He's, he's taken 64 points,
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sorry not for break after Zandor.
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So in four weekends he's taken 64 points.
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He's 40 back and there's five weekends left
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Now.
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And he's very good in Mexico, he's very good in Brazil,
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Very good in Brazil.
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The qatar's gonna be the tough one
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because like on paper, that's the one
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that should just suit the McLaren.
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So, so, so well yes,
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but in all those races right, you can see things
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that didn't go particularly perfectly for McLaren.
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Like Monza was relatively clean.
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The stop thing doesn't really affect the outcome Sure.
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With as far as Max, right?
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So that one, he just beat them Baku,
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they were quick in Baku, they just hosed it in Q3.
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And then obviously Oscar had his issue in the race.
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Landau couldn't really make up a lot of stuff.
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They didn't have great race pace.
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Singapore, you know, Landau was way faster than Max at the
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end of that race, but you just can't pass at Singapore.
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Right? So they just didn't get their qualifying right in
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Singapore here, you know, they were,
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they were quick in practice qualified second
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and third for the sprint by not doing
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a single lap in the sprint.
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They have no data for the race pace and
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because it's parked for me, you gotta sell your cart
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for qualifying and leave it for the race.
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So they probably had to be conservative
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for Grand Prix qualifying,
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which might explain why they were second and sixth.
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Right? Maybe that's part of that.
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So the, every weekend there's been something you can kind
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of point to that's put them on the back
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foot. Okay. Even just a little bit.
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But you can't, you who you have no idea what's gone on at
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Red Bull that's put them on the back foot.
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You can't say it's just been six perfect
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weekends in and out.
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No. Fine. They've, they've,
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if there's been issues they have executed
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and got around it, what I'm saying is
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in the next five races right, for a team
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that has been operating at the level, McLaren has the,
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the thought of them not having at least one just trouble
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free weekend from here on out where they could just beat Max
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and if they beat 'em once, it's kind of over short
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of some weird bad luck thing
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where they get taken out in the rain in Brazil
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or uh, you know, some weird thing.
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So they just have one more solid weekend as a team.
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It, I think it kinda removes Max. I think,
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So here's, here's the interesting question that,
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that every sports person, I,
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I'm thinking a lot to golf, right?
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Where, you know, you golf is a three day event
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and you know, you've got guys that
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that shoot lights out on day one
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and then day two, you know, they're, they're still good,
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but like they gave up four or five strokes
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and then day three, like the guy that's coming, he's playing
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with like reckless abandon, right?
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He's taking big risks, he's taking the chances
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'cause like was he had to lose nothing.
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Right? Whereas the guy is leading, he can't bone it up.
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Like he can't make a mistake, he can't, you know,
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double bogey a hole, that sort of thing.
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Yeah. Like McLaren is in this position
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where it's like they know they, they,
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they still probably have the better equipment, right?
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They've got two cars against one.
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They've got more than competent
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and capable drivers of
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winning a world driver's championship.
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Two of them. But they know they can't screw up.
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Whereas if Max off in Red Bull screws up like, oh,
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I mean whatever they gave it a good shot. They were
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Never supposed to win it. Right?
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It wasn't, it wasn't their year.
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They've won four outta the last five, you know,
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we'll try again next year sort of thing.
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That's a very difficult position to be in.
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You'd almost rather be just five points behind or ahead
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and just going at each other every single weekend.
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Like having this lead is, is a blessing,
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but it's also like, it could be
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their, it could be a downfall.
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It it, it'll be very interesting to see how it goes.
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It cranks the pressure on in a big way. Right?
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And I was having this conversation with someone,
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max is driving completely free
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'cause there's no pressure on him, right?
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He just has to drive and
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win and like if he wins, he's in it.
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But if we get to Abu Dhabi and maybe there's some pressure,
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but he's also max for staff and he's been here before.
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He is been through that pressure and
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he eats it up, he's fine.
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The other two, it's their first time doing it
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and now they've got this guy breathing down their neck
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that they had enough internal bull to worry about.
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Mm-hmm . Now they've also got this external pressure in,
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in the form of like the best driver
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of whoever maybe of all time, right?
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Mm-hmm . So it is super fascinating from a sporting
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standpoint to like watch the psychology of it all.
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And like you can see like Zach Brown
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and Andrea Stella, they looked tense this
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weekend compared to what you've seen them.
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Um, and it's, it's, man is it interesting to watch And I,
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here's the thing for me, there's no bad outcome No.
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As a fan of this sport and I, and,
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and on someone who works in it,
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uh, like I'll put that aside.
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This is a fan of the sport. Yeah. There's no bad outcome.
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'cause either you have a first time champion
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and that's just awesome to see. And you love to see guys
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With two likable guys, right? Like
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Two guys that you can cheer for.
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Yeah. I I respect them both to an incredibly high level.
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And on the other hand, you've got history being made.
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You've got the biggest comeback in F1 history.
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The first guy since Schumacher to win five titles in a row.
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Maybe the only guy other than Schumacher
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to win five titles in a row on a, on a year
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where he should not have done it.
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Right. Like it's, if it happens, it will be one
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of the co You can say I was there when, you know mm-hmm .
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And I love those moments in sports history,
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but at the same time, if that one happens,
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dude I will probably shed a tear, I'll shed one tear out
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of each eye for Orlando and Oscar respectively
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because that would, it would just hurt.
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So I cannot even comprehend the pain
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that those two would be in if
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Matt pulls up.
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'cause because you would ha you would have to be like,
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that's on me, wouldn't you?
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I'm, I'm sure you'd go through all the emotions I'm sure
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you'd go through like,
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but do, do you, what could the
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team done better? What could I have
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Done better?
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Wouldn't not, do you not think that the McLaren is
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still a, has a leg up?
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I do think it is slightly better. Okay.
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But I do think the Red Bull is closed that gap tremendously.
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Right. But, but I do think there's a slight
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Performance but Max put, max just put two
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and a half tenths to Lando.
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Yeah. Yeah.
So let's, let's let's get to that. Right?
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Let's get to the sprint race happens.
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Bad luck from McLaren, no fault of their own sucks.
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Max runs away with it no problem.
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Um, we get to real qualifying, right?
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And Max is obviously,
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and Red Bull have had a lot of data from the sprint.
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They know exactly what they can get
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away with all this sort of thing.
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So he leads round one, round two and we get into round three
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and he puts up a lap
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that's like half a second clear of everyone else, right.
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On his first set of tires and either Red Bull
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or him or a combination kind of mistimed when they went out
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for their final set.
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Like everyone tries to leave it till the last second.
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So you get the most track
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evolution and all this sort of thing, right?
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But you're kind of dictated obviously by the cars in front
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and what they're doing with prep
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laps and, and this sort of thing.
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So the way it worked out is Max was like four seconds short
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of coming to the line to start his second lap
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or his second, um, attempt on a second set of tires, right?
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His first attempt on a second set of tires.
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And most of the time, not all the time,
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but most of the time there's a little bit more time
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to come in that final attempt. Yeah. With
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Track evolution and
Right.
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You just, you're you're you've,
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you've cleaned up a few more things
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and sure enough, Lando, Charles,
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whoever else they found a chunk of time, max never got
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that opportunity yet.
502
00:20:50.985 --> 00:20:54.365
He still had two and a half tens in hand over Orlando.
503
00:20:55.145 --> 00:20:56.885
So you're saying and agreeing,
504
00:20:56.885 --> 00:20:59.165
and I agree with you that the McLaren's probably slightly
505
00:20:59.165 --> 00:21:03.805
better yet Max is somehow still finding, call it two
506
00:21:03.805 --> 00:21:07.365
and a half to three and a half tenths just in him.
507
00:21:11.225 --> 00:21:13.965
The, the only thing I can think of that contributes
508
00:21:13.985 --> 00:21:17.085
to the size of that gap is what I was saying
509
00:21:17.085 --> 00:21:18.925
before that I think that McLaren maybe had
510
00:21:18.925 --> 00:21:20.885
to compromise on set up a little bit. That's
511
00:21:20.885 --> 00:21:21.965
Fair. That's a good point. Yeah.
512
00:21:22.225 --> 00:21:23.955
But that,
513
00:21:24.055 --> 00:21:26.475
but the thing is he's still just Mac, this is
514
00:21:26.505 --> 00:21:28.395
what his superpower is,
515
00:21:28.815 --> 00:21:31.835
is it's getting 100% out
516
00:21:31.835 --> 00:21:34.595
of whatever he's driving at all times.
517
00:21:35.735 --> 00:21:38.915
And if they lose this championship,
518
00:21:38.935 --> 00:21:40.835
if either McLaren driver does not win,
519
00:21:42.355 --> 00:21:44.115
I almost feel like you have to just
520
00:21:45.375 --> 00:21:47.355
accept the fact that,
521
00:21:47.425 --> 00:21:48.425
That he's unbeatable.
522
00:21:48.815 --> 00:21:53.355
You're sitting, you, you need an unfair car advantage
523
00:21:53.535 --> 00:21:56.235
to beat Max for stepin over 24 races.
524
00:21:58.075 --> 00:22:01.275
I I think you just might have to accept that like, yeah,
525
00:22:02.395 --> 00:22:05.155
I was the wrong year to have a good car
526
00:22:05.155 --> 00:22:07.395
because his car was just good enough
527
00:22:07.815 --> 00:22:09.435
and he's that much better.
528
00:22:10.455 --> 00:22:11.555
And I say that much better.
529
00:22:11.625 --> 00:22:12.955
That much better is a, is a,
530
00:22:13.095 --> 00:22:15.435
is a infinitesimally small percentage amount.
531
00:22:15.695 --> 00:22:18.635
But in the scheme of what you're doing, yes, it translates
532
00:22:18.635 --> 00:22:23.235
to unbeatable pace and it's, it's wild man.
533
00:22:23.345 --> 00:22:26.235
It's wild to watch. Even Max is like, you'd be an idiot.
534
00:22:27.515 --> 00:22:29.755
I thought I would never see anything like it.
535
00:22:29.755 --> 00:22:33.155
After watching what Lewis did for the better part
536
00:22:33.155 --> 00:22:34.715
of a decade, I never thought I'd see it again.
537
00:22:35.295 --> 00:22:36.915
And we, I remember talking about it
538
00:22:37.215 --> 00:22:40.875
and leading up to Abu Dhabi in 20, what was it?
539
00:22:40.875 --> 00:22:42.955
20 20, 21, 21.
540
00:22:43.855 --> 00:22:46.155
And we were like, 'cause people were getting tired
541
00:22:46.155 --> 00:22:47.715
of the Mercedes and Lewis show
542
00:22:47.715 --> 00:22:50.115
and it was like guys just like Tom Brady,
543
00:22:50.185 --> 00:22:51.675
like accept the fact
544
00:22:51.675 --> 00:22:52.515
that you're witnessing
545
00:22:52.515 --> 00:22:53.515
something you're never gonna see again.
546
00:22:53.515 --> 00:22:57.675
Little did we know that we were gonna see the exact same
547
00:22:57.675 --> 00:22:58.675
thing if not more.
548
00:22:59.295 --> 00:23:01.595
He just literally passed the baton to the next
549
00:23:01.655 --> 00:23:02.595
guy.
. Yeah,
550
00:23:03.545 --> 00:23:04.545
Yeah.
551
00:23:04.545 --> 00:23:07.515
No dude. It's, it's, um, it's awesome.
552
00:23:07.735 --> 00:23:10.635
So I have no idea what the next five races hold.
553
00:23:10.895 --> 00:23:13.715
Uh, Lando, Elise got around Charles,
554
00:23:13.775 --> 00:23:17.195
so he finished second Oscar moved up from sixth to fifth.
555
00:23:17.375 --> 00:23:20.035
So he, I mean I won't say damage limitation
556
00:23:20.195 --> 00:23:21.155
'cause that's not as big of a
557
00:23:21.155 --> 00:23:22.235
jump as I'm sure he was hoping.
558
00:23:22.895 --> 00:23:26.315
Um, but the other thing that's, that's interesting
559
00:23:26.315 --> 00:23:29.755
and kind of came outta this was the race was dull,
560
00:23:29.805 --> 00:23:30.805
Super boring.
561
00:23:30.985 --> 00:23:33.675
Like, I'll be honest, I watched 10 laps
562
00:23:33.815 --> 00:23:36.275
and then I watched the last five laps
563
00:23:36.275 --> 00:23:38.315
to make sure I didn't miss anything that I would need
564
00:23:38.315 --> 00:23:40.595
to talk about on this show. And I didn't.
565
00:23:40.815 --> 00:23:43.395
All you, all you missed was Lando getting back around.
566
00:23:43.395 --> 00:23:45.245
Charles was basically getting that done.
567
00:23:45.945 --> 00:23:49.325
But here's so, so like these cars have gotten so hard
568
00:23:49.325 --> 00:23:52.765
to follow it now it's, I think this was five
569
00:23:52.785 --> 00:23:56.045
or six pole sitters in a row that have won, which
570
00:23:57.375 --> 00:23:59.195
that's not what it's been like since this
571
00:23:59.935 --> 00:24:01.995
ground effects car came out in 22.
572
00:24:01.995 --> 00:24:04.035
Like it's, the racing's been good,
573
00:24:04.735 --> 00:24:06.555
but they're just so developed now.
574
00:24:06.555 --> 00:24:10.995
Everybody's so close now, you know, they literally add bits
575
00:24:10.995 --> 00:24:13.395
to the car to make the air behind them worse.
576
00:24:13.425 --> 00:24:15.115
It's not even to make the air car better, it's
577
00:24:15.115 --> 00:24:16.155
to make the cars following
578
00:24:16.155 --> 00:24:17.155
Worse.
579
00:24:17.155 --> 00:24:17.555
I didn't know that. I knew that.
580
00:24:17.555 --> 00:24:18.795
That's, I mean that makes a lot of sense.
581
00:24:19.865 --> 00:24:21.595
It's kind of awesome. Yeah,
582
00:24:21.745 --> 00:24:22.745
It's crazy.
583
00:24:22.745 --> 00:24:23.995
And so, um,
584
00:24:26.125 --> 00:24:28.045
I was lamenting this rules change
585
00:24:28.285 --> 00:24:29.525
'cause I'm like, we've got such good racing,
586
00:24:29.535 --> 00:24:30.925
we've got a lot of cars that are up there.
587
00:24:30.925 --> 00:24:33.285
It's all super close, but it's like the racing's,
588
00:24:33.315 --> 00:24:35.205
it's super close, but the racing's kind of
589
00:24:35.995 --> 00:24:37.505
taken a taken a big step back.
590
00:24:38.125 --> 00:24:40.345
So maybe a big shake up is what we need.
591
00:24:40.465 --> 00:24:42.625
I just hope that one person's not dominating
592
00:24:42.625 --> 00:24:44.585
everything because of it. But
593
00:24:44.805 --> 00:24:49.065
So, so question when you say like,
594
00:24:49.065 --> 00:24:50.785
things have gotten so developed, right?
595
00:24:50.885 --> 00:24:54.835
And things are the margins now of difference
596
00:24:54.835 --> 00:24:56.475
that a team can make or are so small
597
00:24:56.595 --> 00:24:58.435
'cause there's only so much you can do with a rules package,
598
00:24:59.325 --> 00:25:00.325
Right?
599
00:25:00.325 --> 00:25:02.955
Would you, would you say it's kind of the same thing if if
600
00:25:03.575 --> 00:25:05.235
you go spec racing, right?
601
00:25:05.305 --> 00:25:06.955
Like there's only, there's only
602
00:25:06.955 --> 00:25:08.435
so much difference that can be made.
603
00:25:08.495 --> 00:25:11.275
So even though in theory, right,
604
00:25:12.135 --> 00:25:13.915
you would think the competition is better
605
00:25:14.025 --> 00:25:15.515
because everyone has the same <inaudible>
606
00:25:16.015 --> 00:25:17.595
and it's the driver that's gonna make a difference.
607
00:25:17.655 --> 00:25:19.075
But also at this level,
608
00:25:19.895 --> 00:25:21.435
all the drivers are pretty good, right?
609
00:25:21.495 --> 00:25:26.435
Yes, there's a plus A B and B minus drivers,
610
00:25:26.615 --> 00:25:29.555
but everyone's pretty above average, right?
611
00:25:29.775 --> 00:25:31.875
So there's not gonna be a driver that goes out there
612
00:25:31.875 --> 00:25:34.555
and makes a a four 10th to half a second difference.
613
00:25:35.175 --> 00:25:39.155
So in a way is a car that's been completely developed
614
00:25:39.455 --> 00:25:41.995
or a car that is completely speck
615
00:25:43.075 --> 00:25:47.155
actually not the solution for competitive racing?
616
00:25:48.335 --> 00:25:50.795
That's a great question, Alex. That's a great point.
617
00:25:51.495 --> 00:25:52.875
And yeah
618
00:25:53.035 --> 00:25:56.035
'cause like, you know, we talk on the Indy car side about
619
00:25:56.175 --> 00:25:58.595
how one of the big differences between Honda
620
00:25:58.615 --> 00:26:00.355
and Chevy is drivability, right?
621
00:26:00.355 --> 00:26:01.995
Like that's not a, that's not a secret.
622
00:26:02.485 --> 00:26:03.635
We've talked about it on here,
623
00:26:04.185 --> 00:26:05.515
it's talked about on broadcast
624
00:26:05.515 --> 00:26:06.795
drivers talk about it all the time.
625
00:26:07.535 --> 00:26:09.955
And so you know that at certain tracks there's gonna be an
626
00:26:09.955 --> 00:26:11.275
advantage to one versus the other
627
00:26:11.815 --> 00:26:13.435
and that helps mix up results
628
00:26:14.135 --> 00:26:17.315
or Yeah, it it does, it adds that little bit
629
00:26:17.315 --> 00:26:18.395
of a differentiator in it
630
00:26:18.455 --> 00:26:21.395
Or, or a team or a team like goes down a development path
631
00:26:21.395 --> 00:26:23.475
that's wrong but then they right the ship.
632
00:26:23.535 --> 00:26:25.235
So for two or three weekends they struggle
633
00:26:25.615 --> 00:26:27.995
but then they unlock something and then they're back
634
00:26:28.455 --> 00:26:31.675
and maybe not go one or two spots higher
635
00:26:32.655 --> 00:26:34.235
and knock a team down, right?
636
00:26:34.235 --> 00:26:37.235
Because there's always this this chase of like, oh,
637
00:26:37.235 --> 00:26:40.115
we can find a way to solve the puzzle and make it better.
638
00:26:40.415 --> 00:26:43.965
Mm-hmm . But if the puzzle's solved for you Yeah,
639
00:26:44.075 --> 00:26:45.925
it's gonna be, it's gonna, you would argue
640
00:26:45.925 --> 00:26:48.085
that it's gonna be even more follow the leader based on
641
00:26:48.085 --> 00:26:50.805
qualifying because if everyone has the exact same
642
00:26:51.005 --> 00:26:54.965
<inaudible> and all the drivers can get 99.3
643
00:26:55.105 --> 00:26:58.315
to a hundred percent out of the car, the guy
644
00:26:58.315 --> 00:27:00.955
that starts on pole odds are,
645
00:27:01.535 --> 00:27:02.955
unless something tragic happens,
646
00:27:03.185 --> 00:27:05.435
he's just gonna manage the gap and win the race.
647
00:27:06.025 --> 00:27:08.715
Yeah. Because he's not gonna have a deficit in a certain
648
00:27:08.715 --> 00:27:10.155
corner or over tire life.
649
00:27:10.355 --> 00:27:12.475
'cause his engine is harder on tires
650
00:27:12.575 --> 00:27:14.515
but he is got more power and, and that sort of thing.
651
00:27:14.515 --> 00:27:16.435
Yeah. Like it won't exist, I
652
00:27:16.435 --> 00:27:17.755
dunno. Yeah. Something to think about
653
00:27:18.535 --> 00:27:19.535
It is something to think about.
654
00:27:19.855 --> 00:27:22.475
It really is. And the other thing I wonder if, part
655
00:27:22.475 --> 00:27:25.355
of the reason the racing's suffering more now is all the
656
00:27:25.355 --> 00:27:27.715
cars are pretty static in the sense of development for
657
00:27:27.715 --> 00:27:28.715
that kind of, to your point
658
00:27:29.145 --> 00:27:32.155
because everyone's put all their attention towards 26.
659
00:27:32.355 --> 00:27:33.795
Nobody's bringing any upgrades.
660
00:27:33.795 --> 00:27:35.115
So everyone's just staying where they are.
661
00:27:35.535 --> 00:27:37.035
And so there's, you're not getting a guy
662
00:27:37.035 --> 00:27:39.355
that's got a new front wing this week, so he's now up here
663
00:27:39.375 --> 00:27:41.875
and it's bouncing around and now this guy's gotta make a new
664
00:27:41.875 --> 00:27:44.155
wing to catch up and it goes badly.
665
00:27:44.255 --> 00:27:46.475
He actually falls down 'cause the sim didn't correlate,
666
00:27:46.475 --> 00:27:49.515
didn't, you know, all that stuff is sort of gone now.
667
00:27:50.345 --> 00:27:51.795
Development. It's good for racing.
668
00:27:52.505 --> 00:27:53.835
Yeah, it's good for the show. I agree.
669
00:27:54.355 --> 00:27:55.435
I think you're, I think you're
670
00:27:55.435 --> 00:27:56.635
onto something there, pal. I think you're
671
00:27:56.635 --> 00:27:57.635
On anyways.
672
00:27:57.635 --> 00:28:01.275
Enough. F1, we are IndyCar predominantly podcasting guys.
673
00:28:01.655 --> 00:28:05.035
Uh, so I got to drive an IndyCar
674
00:28:05.055 --> 00:28:07.475
around IMS today, which Hercules,
675
00:28:07.595 --> 00:28:08.675
Hercules,
Hercules.
676
00:28:08.755 --> 00:28:11.115
I mean it is, it's the best place to drive an IndyCar.
677
00:28:11.425 --> 00:28:13.315
It's just cool man, despite all
678
00:28:13.315 --> 00:28:17.995
of our complaints about IndyCar and Locky Hughes
679
00:28:17.995 --> 00:28:20.955
and being like, oh, you know, it wasn't as much
680
00:28:20.955 --> 00:28:23.275
of a wow factor compared to an indie lights cars.
681
00:28:23.435 --> 00:28:26.235
I thought when you get into an IndyCar at IMS, it's a, it's,
682
00:28:26.385 --> 00:28:27.435
there's a wow factor.
683
00:28:27.435 --> 00:28:28.555
Yeah. It doesn't really matter Upper
684
00:28:28.555 --> 00:28:32.315
Factor 10,
Um, it's always, it's always wild
685
00:28:32.495 --> 00:28:35.235
to like do your first three laps, right?
686
00:28:35.235 --> 00:28:38.355
Because your mind and eyes and everything aren't used to it
687
00:28:38.415 --> 00:28:40.915
and like, you know, you need to be flat and you are flat
688
00:28:40.975 --> 00:28:44.075
but it, like, it's hard work even though you're doing like
689
00:28:44.575 --> 00:28:47.115
two seventeens whereas, you know,
690
00:28:47.115 --> 00:28:48.555
you're obviously qualifying above two 30.
691
00:28:48.555 --> 00:28:50.555
Like it feels, it feels fricking fast
692
00:28:50.575 --> 00:28:53.155
and it's rare these days
693
00:28:53.365 --> 00:28:56.595
after driving race cars for so long that race cars feel fast
694
00:28:56.735 --> 00:28:58.555
and it's always cool to go to IMS
695
00:28:58.555 --> 00:29:01.515
and it's like ba these things haul ass.
696
00:29:01.615 --> 00:29:06.435
Um, so anyways, uh, we are doing, we uh, we being
697
00:29:07.015 --> 00:29:10.115
myself and Kuma Sato for
698
00:29:10.715 --> 00:29:14.435
RLL are doing some, uh, parts
699
00:29:15.145 --> 00:29:17.075
evaluations for 2028.
700
00:29:17.745 --> 00:29:20.395
Okay. Um, so it's not really a test for us.
701
00:29:20.745 --> 00:29:24.235
Like we kind of got the one run to make adjustments,
702
00:29:24.375 --> 00:29:25.555
you know, front wing angle, right.
703
00:29:25.555 --> 00:29:28.315
Height, whatever. Um, but then it's kind of keep it as it is
704
00:29:28.415 --> 00:29:31.435
and kind of follow this run plan given to you by IndyCar.
705
00:29:31.535 --> 00:29:33.555
So it's not a lot of learning for us.
706
00:29:33.895 --> 00:29:36.755
Um, but still nice to,
707
00:29:36.855 --> 00:29:38.115
to get the opportunity to be on track.
708
00:29:38.775 --> 00:29:43.405
Um, the other two cars were, uh, the 10 car
709
00:29:44.105 --> 00:29:47.605
and Patto, um, who are doing some
710
00:29:48.195 --> 00:29:49.605
tire testing for Firestone.
711
00:29:50.075 --> 00:29:52.285
Okay. Which seemed to be very positive.
712
00:29:52.905 --> 00:29:54.685
Um, good and so positive
713
00:29:54.685 --> 00:29:57.045
that I will get a chance to try them.
714
00:29:57.305 --> 00:29:59.965
Me and Tem will get a chance to try them tomorrow.
715
00:30:00.785 --> 00:30:02.845
Um, amazing. Well let's talk about what,
716
00:30:02.845 --> 00:30:05.165
What are they, what are they trying to solve with the tire
717
00:30:07.035 --> 00:30:08.035
Exactly?
718
00:30:08.035 --> 00:30:09.685
Well, I'm not, I was not involved in the tire test
719
00:30:09.745 --> 00:30:13.685
so I don't know, but what I can tell you the results of the,
720
00:30:14.545 --> 00:30:19.285
the development tire, let's call it, um, was
721
00:30:20.025 --> 00:30:24.005
no vibrations and negative dag.
722
00:30:24.905 --> 00:30:27.325
So I actually think that's quite interesting
723
00:30:27.325 --> 00:30:32.125
because on a lot of tracks, oval specifically,
724
00:30:32.265 --> 00:30:34.165
you would argue that DAG is good,
725
00:30:34.315 --> 00:30:35.925
like dag makes the racing better.
726
00:30:36.425 --> 00:30:39.805
Um, which is the case at your Milwaukees,
727
00:30:40.585 --> 00:30:42.765
at your old Iowas, that sort of thing.
728
00:30:42.945 --> 00:30:44.565
Uh, when there's two lanes, Nashville,
729
00:30:44.935 --> 00:30:45.935
Right?
730
00:30:45.935 --> 00:30:49.965
D uh, IMS, which is super single lane is not a good thing
731
00:30:49.965 --> 00:30:51.485
because all that means is everyone starts
732
00:30:51.485 --> 00:30:52.805
lifting and following in line.
733
00:30:52.805 --> 00:30:54.605
You can't get close to the car in front of you.
734
00:30:55.225 --> 00:30:57.685
So negative day at IMS is actually incredible
735
00:30:58.625 --> 00:31:01.565
for the potential show. Um, because
736
00:31:01.565 --> 00:31:03.165
It, when you think about after a restart,
737
00:31:03.165 --> 00:31:05.085
when there's been pit stops, everyone's on new tires,
738
00:31:05.085 --> 00:31:06.205
you've got a lot of grip and
739
00:31:06.205 --> 00:31:07.965
so everyone's right mixing it up and,
740
00:31:08.105 --> 00:31:11.205
and going for it, 10, 12 laps in you tires start to wear,
741
00:31:11.205 --> 00:31:13.165
everybody kind of spreads out and
742
00:31:13.165 --> 00:31:15.605
Passing stops, two stops, 15 plus you're not taking huge
743
00:31:16.035 --> 00:31:18.525
gambles that snaps with tire dig and that sort of thing.
744
00:31:18.705 --> 00:31:22.405
So, um, obviously it was not,
745
00:31:22.405 --> 00:31:24.925
obviously it was a 55 degree day.
746
00:31:26.065 --> 00:31:29.525
So a lot of caveats still, um,
747
00:31:29.525 --> 00:31:31.125
that I'm sure Firestone's gonna look at.
748
00:31:31.265 --> 00:31:35.405
So if that tire doesn't show up in May, uh,
749
00:31:35.665 --> 00:31:37.485
I'm sure they have their reasons, but regardless,
750
00:31:37.485 --> 00:31:39.325
they're looking at ways to continue
751
00:31:39.325 --> 00:31:40.645
to improve the show, which is awesome.
752
00:31:41.425 --> 00:31:46.325
Um, and then on our side, uh, we are testing two components.
753
00:31:46.625 --> 00:31:51.365
Um, one is new break calibers.
754
00:31:51.865 --> 00:31:54.725
Um, and I'm not gonna get into the details of what those are
755
00:31:54.965 --> 00:31:56.805
'cause I don't know if that's public yet,
756
00:31:56.945 --> 00:31:59.845
but essentially the, there's been a problem.
757
00:32:00.785 --> 00:32:02.565
Um, not a problem.
758
00:32:02.565 --> 00:32:05.685
There's been a situation at Indy for the past,
759
00:32:05.915 --> 00:32:07.085
well, ever since I've been there.
760
00:32:07.265 --> 00:32:11.565
So I would imagine forever, yeah, really where break drag
761
00:32:12.145 --> 00:32:15.325
is a bad thing because break drag is what it sounds like.
762
00:32:15.665 --> 00:32:19.925
The pads are rubbing on the rotors and that slows you down.
763
00:32:20.425 --> 00:32:24.245
And when you're dealing with thousands of a second, um,
764
00:32:24.545 --> 00:32:26.565
you need to find everything that you can
765
00:32:26.585 --> 00:32:27.885
to try and make the cars go quicker.
766
00:32:28.585 --> 00:32:32.325
So teams were getting very creative, um, with ways to,
767
00:32:32.385 --> 00:32:35.965
to make the pads pull back from the rotors
768
00:32:35.965 --> 00:32:38.085
so you don't have any drag as you're rolling
769
00:32:38.085 --> 00:32:41.605
around the track, which is all fine and well, um,
770
00:32:41.785 --> 00:32:44.845
but it starts to cause some issues, um, as early
771
00:32:44.845 --> 00:32:48.045
as qualifying because there are rules about
772
00:32:48.045 --> 00:32:49.285
what you can and cannot do.
773
00:32:49.545 --> 00:32:51.125
Um, teams obviously try and,
774
00:32:51.305 --> 00:32:52.925
and take those rules to the limit.
775
00:32:53.785 --> 00:32:57.405
But where you started to see a, a big issue was
776
00:32:58.985 --> 00:33:01.125
if the car was coming from the garage,
777
00:33:01.335 --> 00:33:03.325
let's say there was ways to,
778
00:33:03.505 --> 00:33:06.605
to make the pads be pretty far back from the rotors,
779
00:33:07.385 --> 00:33:10.165
but if you had to go do another run on pit lane, right,
780
00:33:10.165 --> 00:33:11.685
like you're trying to bump your way into the fast
781
00:33:11.715 --> 00:33:13.045
nine, fast 12, sorry.
782
00:33:14.065 --> 00:33:17.085
Um, or you were trying to bump your way into the race,
783
00:33:17.585 --> 00:33:19.525
you were never gonna quite go as quick
784
00:33:19.665 --> 00:33:21.605
as you did coming outta the garage for a number of reasons.
785
00:33:21.835 --> 00:33:24.485
Some was would be engine heat, um,
786
00:33:24.955 --> 00:33:26.365
gearbox, temps, that sort of thing.
787
00:33:26.365 --> 00:33:27.765
But the other thing was brake drag, right?
788
00:33:27.765 --> 00:33:28.845
Because you obviously have
789
00:33:28.845 --> 00:33:30.605
to hit the brake pedal when you come into pit lane.
790
00:33:30.865 --> 00:33:33.125
And so that's pushing the pads against the rotor.
791
00:33:33.125 --> 00:33:35.845
So when you leave pit lane, again without the whole system
792
00:33:35.845 --> 00:33:40.285
being reset, it was very hard to go out and duplicate a run.
793
00:33:41.105 --> 00:33:45.805
Um, but then the other bigger problem was that yes,
794
00:33:45.805 --> 00:33:48.765
while this is very much a qualifying thing, teams would try
795
00:33:48.765 --> 00:33:52.525
and find a way to kind of not have it be that extreme
796
00:33:52.825 --> 00:33:54.125
as they do in qualifying,
797
00:33:54.145 --> 00:33:58.205
but still be pretty aggressive in pulling the pads back from
798
00:33:58.205 --> 00:34:00.085
the rotors, which is an issue.
799
00:34:00.085 --> 00:34:02.045
And you have to pit, you're pitting off a four at
800
00:34:02.045 --> 00:34:03.645
210 miles an hour.
801
00:34:04.025 --> 00:34:05.565
You're trying to get the thing slowed down,
802
00:34:05.585 --> 00:34:07.445
you haven't touched the brake pedal all stint,
803
00:34:07.665 --> 00:34:10.405
the pedal's long, you're trying to pump the pads up
804
00:34:10.405 --> 00:34:11.405
to the rotors, you're trying
805
00:34:11.405 --> 00:34:13.325
to get temp in all this sort of thing.
806
00:34:13.625 --> 00:34:15.005
And we were starting to see some issues.
807
00:34:15.465 --> 00:34:18.365
So what IndyCar has looked at and,
808
00:34:18.425 --> 00:34:21.765
and kind of correctly in my opinion, deduced,
809
00:34:21.865 --> 00:34:23.685
is if we come up with a brake system
810
00:34:23.685 --> 00:34:26.485
that doesn't have any brake drag, then people won't need
811
00:34:26.485 --> 00:34:27.845
to mess with the brake system
812
00:34:28.225 --> 00:34:30.645
and the brake pedal will be consistent throughout an entire
813
00:34:30.765 --> 00:34:33.165
500 mile race and through all your qualifying runs
814
00:34:33.165 --> 00:34:35.445
and that sort of thing will be easy to police
815
00:34:36.345 --> 00:34:39.565
and it'll just take that variable off the table.
816
00:34:39.985 --> 00:34:42.405
So that was a huge success
817
00:34:42.405 --> 00:34:43.845
because all three
818
00:34:43.845 --> 00:34:46.365
of the new products didn't have any break drag
819
00:34:46.385 --> 00:34:48.125
and the pedal was consistent.
820
00:34:49.105 --> 00:34:52.525
So a plus, um, that's the dream.
821
00:34:52.705 --> 00:34:55.085
The the other thing that we are testing, uh,
822
00:34:55.085 --> 00:34:59.045
that it got rained out today is a spec damper.
823
00:35:00.105 --> 00:35:02.805
Um, and the spec damper,
824
00:35:03.385 --> 00:35:04.725
we don't have a lot of information on it.
825
00:35:04.905 --> 00:35:07.005
It, it is something that if it were to come,
826
00:35:07.005 --> 00:35:11.085
it would come in 2028, um, with the new car.
827
00:35:11.985 --> 00:35:13.485
But obviously one
828
00:35:13.485 --> 00:35:15.805
of the huge things about IndyCar is it's like
829
00:35:16.825 --> 00:35:19.775
there's, the dampers are open.
830
00:35:19.965 --> 00:35:22.175
Like there's, there's, there's a lot of ingenuity
831
00:35:22.175 --> 00:35:24.975
and there's a lot of, um, it's kind of the one thing
832
00:35:25.125 --> 00:35:27.455
that is open for the teams right to develop, right?
833
00:35:27.455 --> 00:35:29.855
There's a lot of brain trust, there's a lot of ip,
834
00:35:29.855 --> 00:35:34.735
there's a lot of money spent, um, on teams damper programs.
835
00:35:35.035 --> 00:35:38.285
Um, you see that in full effect on street courses
836
00:35:38.355 --> 00:35:39.445
with what Andretti does.
837
00:35:39.625 --> 00:35:43.285
You see that, um, on full effect kind of everywhere
838
00:35:43.675 --> 00:35:45.005
with cani, um, .
839
00:35:46.025 --> 00:35:51.005
And so it is something that, I don't know, it's it,
840
00:35:51.025 --> 00:35:52.805
it, it brings up an interesting situation
841
00:35:52.805 --> 00:35:57.125
because on one hand it would save teams a substantial amount
842
00:35:57.125 --> 00:35:59.205
of money from a DR and D side of things,
843
00:35:59.985 --> 00:36:03.245
but on the other hand, it takes away one
844
00:36:03.245 --> 00:36:07.325
of the major levers, if not the only lever that teams have
845
00:36:07.345 --> 00:36:08.525
to differentiate themselves.
846
00:36:08.905 --> 00:36:11.085
Um, yeah. And ironically we were talking about
847
00:36:11.085 --> 00:36:14.205
that at in this past conversation at Austin in terms
848
00:36:14.205 --> 00:36:17.565
of like when cars reach a static development right place,
849
00:36:18.175 --> 00:36:19.925
maybe it doesn't actually make the racing better.
850
00:36:20.145 --> 00:36:22.445
So anyways, right. Um, who knows
851
00:36:22.475 --> 00:36:23.685
what these dampers are gonna be like
852
00:36:23.685 --> 00:36:25.725
because we didn't get to run 'em today.
853
00:36:25.835 --> 00:36:27.965
They might be great. They might be terrible.
854
00:36:28.635 --> 00:36:29.645
That'll be for next week.
855
00:36:30.325 --> 00:36:32.285
Interesting. Yeah, that's, uh, it's a,
856
00:36:32.285 --> 00:36:33.405
it's a tough one, right?
857
00:36:33.405 --> 00:36:35.405
Because obviously saving money is a good thing,
858
00:36:35.625 --> 00:36:38.245
but, you know, racing is about development and,
859
00:36:38.465 --> 00:36:39.485
and ingenuity
860
00:36:39.705 --> 00:36:44.145
and the teams are already a little bit hampered,
861
00:36:44.305 --> 00:36:47.305
a little bit, uh, you know, constricted on
862
00:36:47.305 --> 00:36:49.305
or restricted I should say on what, what they can do.
863
00:36:50.445 --> 00:36:54.785
Um, yeah, I, I, when you talk
864
00:36:54.785 --> 00:36:56.985
to engineers, one of the things they love about
865
00:36:58.975 --> 00:37:02.845
going racing is being able to create something, right?
866
00:37:02.845 --> 00:37:04.285
Being able to think outside the box
867
00:37:04.285 --> 00:37:05.485
and develop something new.
868
00:37:06.665 --> 00:37:09.925
And, you know, as, as the years have gone on and,
869
00:37:09.925 --> 00:37:12.485
and the, the formula for IndyCar has changed
870
00:37:12.585 --> 00:37:14.965
and kind of gone more towards more spec parts,
871
00:37:15.275 --> 00:37:16.685
there's less of that happening.
872
00:37:16.835 --> 00:37:18.365
Dampers is kind of the one area that
873
00:37:19.085 --> 00:37:20.805
engineers can still get really excited about, you know,
874
00:37:20.805 --> 00:37:21.965
and they can still be creative
875
00:37:22.145 --> 00:37:24.725
and they can still kind of flex that muscle, which
876
00:37:25.555 --> 00:37:26.965
most race engineers want to do.
877
00:37:27.105 --> 00:37:29.685
So it'd be a shame to lose that. Um,
878
00:37:29.945 --> 00:37:31.965
And like you would also lose the storyline
879
00:37:31.965 --> 00:37:34.645
of the FBI getting involved in IndyCar racing ,
880
00:37:36.805 --> 00:37:38.725
I dunno if we ever even covered that whole thing,
881
00:37:38.985 --> 00:37:42.125
but just Google it.
882
00:37:42.195 --> 00:37:44.965
Just, you could Google that if you really feel like, yeah.
883
00:37:45.025 --> 00:37:46.565
Uh, but yes. Yeah, that takes away some
884
00:37:46.565 --> 00:37:47.805
of the off track drama as
885
00:37:47.805 --> 00:37:48.805
Well.
886
00:37:48.805 --> 00:37:49.885
Sure. Uh, yeah. Okay.
887
00:37:50.115 --> 00:37:52.805
Well, so you're back in the car tomorrow. Yes.
888
00:37:53.105 --> 00:37:55.765
Um, what are your, what are your weekend plans?
889
00:37:55.865 --> 00:37:57.245
Oh, wait, no, sorry, sorry.
890
00:37:57.525 --> 00:37:58.525
'cause we only have a few minutes left.
891
00:37:59.065 --> 00:38:02.405
Um, officially announced Colton's team in F two.
892
00:38:02.905 --> 00:38:04.365
So that's, we
893
00:38:04.365 --> 00:38:08.805
Did they, did um,
be part of the management program or
894
00:38:08.815 --> 00:38:09.815
Dunno?
895
00:38:09.815 --> 00:38:12.405
No, it's, it's funny, it's so funny, right?
896
00:38:12.405 --> 00:38:16.685
Because like , I look back to that incredible day
897
00:38:16.685 --> 00:38:19.925
of interviews that we had with Colton, with Dan, with Will,
898
00:38:20.115 --> 00:38:22.245
that they all so graciously came on our show
899
00:38:22.245 --> 00:38:24.645
to talk about this big news.
900
00:38:25.705 --> 00:38:29.205
And like there was like, no one was saying
901
00:38:29.205 --> 00:38:30.565
that Colton was going F two racing,
902
00:38:30.665 --> 00:38:31.805
but everyone was saying that
903
00:38:31.805 --> 00:38:33.005
Colton was gonna go F two racing.
904
00:38:33.145 --> 00:38:34.965
And it's like, so are we,
905
00:38:35.585 --> 00:38:38.045
can we talk about Colton going F two racing or not?
906
00:38:38.065 --> 00:38:40.605
And he was like, no, but he is.
907
00:38:41.645 --> 00:38:43.295
Yeah, okay. I think
908
00:38:43.295 --> 00:38:44.575
He even said it too, right?
909
00:38:44.835 --> 00:38:46.175
So like, I think Dan even said it,
910
00:38:46.215 --> 00:38:47.375
I think everybody sort of said it.
911
00:38:47.755 --> 00:38:52.375
Um, but, uh, so not a surprise that that happened.
912
00:38:52.915 --> 00:38:54.775
Um, I, yeah,
913
00:38:54.775 --> 00:38:55.775
We didn't know the team until
914
00:38:55.775 --> 00:38:56.775
Today, right?
915
00:38:56.775 --> 00:38:58.495
I have not followed F two enough
916
00:38:58.555 --> 00:38:59.895
to know anything about high tech.
917
00:38:59.975 --> 00:39:02.215
I know High Tech has been around for forever.
918
00:39:02.635 --> 00:39:07.585
Um, I drove for high tech in, uh, formula Master,
919
00:39:07.915 --> 00:39:11.825
which is the championship that GP three
920
00:39:12.435 --> 00:39:13.505
ended up becoming.
921
00:39:13.605 --> 00:39:17.345
Oh yeah, right. Um, and some awesome people there.
922
00:39:17.425 --> 00:39:19.465
I drove for them. No, that was for tech.
923
00:39:19.525 --> 00:39:21.865
So anyways, great, great group of guys.
924
00:39:22.285 --> 00:39:26.455
Um, one of the, the legacy Landmark
925
00:39:27.255 --> 00:39:28.695
European Junior Formula teams.
926
00:39:29.555 --> 00:39:33.135
Um, so yeah, I think I, I'm just so, I'm so excited
927
00:39:33.135 --> 00:39:35.175
to pay attention to F two now 'cause Colton's in it.
928
00:39:35.725 --> 00:39:36.815
Dude, I was joking with some
929
00:39:36.815 --> 00:39:38.335
of the guys we were flying here today.
930
00:39:38.975 --> 00:39:41.415
I was like the first race, the first F two race
931
00:39:41.415 --> 00:39:42.935
of the season next year be, its gonna be your
932
00:39:42.935 --> 00:39:44.055
Highest
TV ever be most watch,
933
00:39:44.605 --> 00:39:48.575
most watch F two race in history by a landslide.
934
00:39:48.575 --> 00:39:51.095
Mm. Could have an entire continent paying attention. Yes.
935
00:39:51.095 --> 00:39:53.415
That traditionally doesn't really care. We're gonna
936
00:39:53.415 --> 00:39:54.415
Watch every session.
937
00:39:54.415 --> 00:39:55.815
Um, and I was talking to, I was talking
938
00:39:55.815 --> 00:39:58.375
to these guys about how we like told Colton like, look man,
939
00:39:58.835 --> 00:40:00.895
we know, and we've discussed this, you know,
940
00:40:00.955 --> 00:40:03.055
his results in F two are not necessarily
941
00:40:03.485 --> 00:40:06.255
what he's being judged on for a potential Formula one C.
942
00:40:06.255 --> 00:40:08.735
Right. He's there to learn tracks, learn tires,
943
00:40:08.785 --> 00:40:10.815
learn cadence of a weekend, all these things.
944
00:40:11.555 --> 00:40:14.175
But he's gonna be judged on his performance in the F1 car
945
00:40:14.195 --> 00:40:17.255
and TPC testing and fp ones and simulator work and whatever.
946
00:40:17.735 --> 00:40:18.775
I was like, what?
947
00:40:19.925 --> 00:40:22.855
Your own program aside bro, the weight
948
00:40:22.855 --> 00:40:26.295
of an entire Motorsport series, an industry
949
00:40:26.455 --> 00:40:28.215
that surrounds it is on your shoulder.
950
00:40:28.495 --> 00:40:30.375
I don't care about your personal goals at this point.
951
00:40:30.595 --> 00:40:32.255
You have to do well for us, man.
952
00:40:32.515 --> 00:40:34.855
We are all gonna be watching, we are all gonna be cheering
953
00:40:35.195 --> 00:40:38.015
and all of our collective self-worth is now attached
954
00:40:38.075 --> 00:40:39.215
to how you perform
955
00:40:39.845 --> 00:40:42.375
Well and all of our collective um,
956
00:40:43.215 --> 00:40:46.695
internet self-worth given to us by the old
957
00:40:47.895 --> 00:40:50.975
Faithful on Twitter is dependent on Colton's success.
958
00:40:50.975 --> 00:40:52.055
Because I tell you what,
959
00:40:52.985 --> 00:40:55.095
every single IndyCar driver's gonna get lit up
960
00:40:55.765 --> 00:40:58.745
the first bad weekend Colton has, which is bound to happen.
961
00:40:59.535 --> 00:41:00.665
Yeah, well of course. Yeah.
962
00:41:00.665 --> 00:41:02.825
Look, I expect the first one to not go super well.
963
00:41:03.205 --> 00:41:06.185
The way that he's gonna have to learn is so he'll get
964
00:41:06.975 --> 00:41:08.025
five hot laps,
965
00:41:10.075 --> 00:41:12.505
he'll get five hot laps around Albert Park.
966
00:41:12.525 --> 00:41:14.185
Do they, 'cause they run, do they run Australia?
967
00:41:14.705 --> 00:41:16.145
I don't know anymore, dude. I never did,
968
00:41:16.205 --> 00:41:18.385
but I think it's barre there first.
969
00:41:19.215 --> 00:41:20.465
Okay, alright. Which is
970
00:41:20.465 --> 00:41:21.905
Where the winter testing will be.
971
00:41:21.965 --> 00:41:23.145
So he'll be all right there.
972
00:41:23.855 --> 00:41:24.905
Okay. That makes you feel better
973
00:41:25.775 --> 00:41:27.345
When he goes to Singapore or Baku.
974
00:41:27.495 --> 00:41:28.495
He's hosed
975
00:41:30.645 --> 00:41:31.645
So hard.
976
00:41:31.645 --> 00:41:34.205
Or like we
Got laps in practice before qualifying
977
00:41:34.435 --> 00:41:37.965
With all those blind like hosted Hosted.
978
00:41:38.275 --> 00:41:40.485
Yeah. No chance. I don't think I could do that
979
00:41:40.615 --> 00:41:42.085
after four days of testing.
980
00:41:43.535 --> 00:41:45.685
We'll see, we'll see what he's got again.
981
00:41:45.685 --> 00:41:46.605
We're gonna, we love him and we're gonna
982
00:41:46.605 --> 00:41:47.165
cheer for him meter away.
983
00:41:47.545 --> 00:41:49.885
Um, just kidding, pal. There's no pressure.
984
00:41:49.885 --> 00:41:51.045
Just do what you gotta do
985
00:41:53.705 --> 00:41:55.005
If you suck. Lose my info.
986
00:41:55.245 --> 00:41:56.245
I swear to God I will.
987
00:41:56.915 --> 00:41:59.205
I'll come to Vegas and beat your scrawny ass.
988
00:41:59.405 --> 00:42:01.845
I will golf. I'll piss in your pool. .
989
00:42:05.115 --> 00:42:08.165
It's aggressive. I like it. Oh God. All right.
990
00:42:08.165 --> 00:42:09.765
Well, uh, what are you up to this weekend
991
00:42:09.855 --> 00:42:11.365
after your days in the Indy car?
992
00:42:11.665 --> 00:42:13.685
Um, I, I've got another weekend at home, man.
993
00:42:13.785 --> 00:42:16.285
I'm gonna enjoy it. I'm gonna continue learning how
994
00:42:16.285 --> 00:42:18.245
to be a dad and I'm going to watch,
995
00:42:19.035 --> 00:42:22.925
hopefully Max just take it to the max. Just sweep him.
996
00:42:23.355 --> 00:42:26.905
Just sweep
And very uh,
997
00:42:27.285 --> 00:42:28.945
big FP one coming up for our boy.
998
00:42:29.165 --> 00:42:31.345
For our boy Patto, our Kick Kat. Oh, that's right.
999
00:42:31.455 --> 00:42:33.425
Beloved superhero.
1000
00:42:33.845 --> 00:42:35.905
Um, so he's, he's in the car from McLaren,
1001
00:42:36.045 --> 00:42:37.465
uh, FP one Mexico City.
1002
00:42:37.525 --> 00:42:40.585
So everyone who wouldn't usually watch FP one go watch that
1003
00:42:40.585 --> 00:42:41.705
because it'll be cool
1004
00:42:41.725 --> 00:42:43.505
to watch him drive around there. His home race.
1005
00:42:44.045 --> 00:42:45.185
You should watch it on F1 tv.
1006
00:42:45.185 --> 00:42:46.425
That'd be a good thing to do.
1007
00:42:47.085 --> 00:42:48.225
Oh, watch
It on, talk about the,
1008
00:42:48.885 --> 00:42:50.985
The OCHO
On the ocho.
1009
00:42:50.985 --> 00:42:52.465
Oh, thanks a lot. Thanks a lot pal.
1010
00:42:53.525 --> 00:42:54.665
Why would I watch, did you have one tv?
1011
00:42:54.885 --> 00:42:56.905
Why would I watch F1 TV when I pay for
1012
00:42:56.905 --> 00:42:57.905
it?
?
1013
00:42:58.475 --> 00:43:00.395
Yeah. I mean, well Tim will watch it
1014
00:43:00.395 --> 00:43:01.555
because he paid for it at least.
1015
00:43:01.555 --> 00:43:06.115
That's good. . Alright, well, we'll, uh, we'll recap, uh,
1016
00:43:06.135 --> 00:43:09.075
day two of IndyCar testing at the Speedway in Mexico.
1017
00:43:09.455 --> 00:43:10.955
And we should probably check in on NASCAR
1018
00:43:11.075 --> 00:43:11.955
'cause I think they're getting pretty close
1019
00:43:11.955 --> 00:43:12.515
to the end of that.
1020
00:43:12.575 --> 00:43:14.715
Oh, I know Chase Briscoe locked himself
1021
00:43:14.715 --> 00:43:15.955
into the four in Talladega.
1022
00:43:16.235 --> 00:43:18.235
I didn't get to see much else of that race. Kind of busy.
1023
00:43:18.775 --> 00:43:20.355
Um, but yeah, we'll check in on that
1024
00:43:20.655 --> 00:43:23.035
and then next week we'll definitely try to cover Nashville.
1025
00:43:23.445 --> 00:43:24.595
Can't wait. Thanks for listening.
1026
00:43:26.265 --> 00:43:28.155
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00:43:28.235 --> 00:43:31.515
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