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<v Jason>Ever wish you could pay for stuff like</v>

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after you get paid? Not before. Oh,

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<v Janet>Tell me about</v>

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<v Jason>It.</v>

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Right. Like that'd be, I don't know, life changing for sure.

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<v Janet>For sure.</v>

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<v Jason>That's kind of what this company Tarfin,</v>

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it's an ag tech company in Turkey.

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That's what they're doing for farmers over there.

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<v Janet>Interesting.</v>

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<v Jason>Yeah. So we're like diving deep today</v>

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into how they're making it.

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So farmers can pay for all their surprise,

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but like not until after they harvest and sell their crops.

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<v Janet>So instead of having to shell out months in advance.</v>

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Right. Yeah. That's huge.

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I, I mean just thinking about the cashflow aspect alone,

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<v Jason>Right?</v>

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That's what I was thinking. Yeah. And their website,

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it really lays it all out like super simply how it works.

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So it's all app based. Okay.

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You can compare prices from a bunch

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of different suppliers, all local really

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<v Janet>Order what you need and then once you've sold your</v>

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harvest, that's when you pay tarpin back.

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<v Jason>Interesting. So it's really taking the pressure off</v>

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that initial investment phase. Totally.

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<v Janet>Yeah. I mean just thinking if you were a farmer, right?</v>

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Yeah. How would that cha, like how you do things? Mm-Hmm.

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would you be, I don't know, bolder, maybe more likely

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to try a new crop maybe.

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<v Jason>Absolutely. You're not as tied to those upfront costs.</v>

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It's like it frees you up to, you know,

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maybe take a chance on something new

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or even just like invest in those higher quality supplies

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you might not have been able to afford otherwise. Yeah.

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<v Janet>Yeah. 'cause if you know, you don't have to pay</v>

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until you've actually got money coming

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<v Jason>In.</v>

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Exactly. It's all about that cash flow,

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<v Janet>Right.</v>

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It totally changes the game.

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So walk me through this a bit more.

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Like how similar is this

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to say other buy now, pay later stuff we see?

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<v Jason>Well yeah, it's got that kind of DNA, you know,</v>

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that delayed payment thing, right?

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Right. But this, this has that agricultural spin on it.

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Obviously it's less about buying something 'cause you see it

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and want it now and more about, I don't know,

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managing when farmers actually get their income,

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which is obviously seasonal. Yeah.

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<v Janet>Makes sense. Because</v>

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<v Jason>Think about it, if you get some consumer</v>

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credit, buy some new gadget.

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Mm. They don't care if that gadget helps you earn more.

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Right. You still gotta pay true. Right.

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But Tarfin, they've tied it to the actual harvest. Yeah.

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Like your success is their success kind of.

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<v Janet>It's almost like a partnership then in a way. In</v>

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<v Jason>A way.</v>

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Yeah. Got it.

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<v Janet>Speaking of success, they've got some big</v>

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numbers on their website.

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Over 61,000 farmers. Wow. Yeah.

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And like millions of hectares of land impacted by this.

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<v Jason>That is not insignificant. 61,000 farmers.</v>

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That's a pretty sizable chunk I'd imagine. Oh.

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Of Turkish agriculture. Right.

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<v Janet>It's not just some like small experiment,</v>

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<v Jason>Especially when you think about how tech</v>

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sometimes it takes a while

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to catch on in those more traditional

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industries, you know what I mean? Yeah,

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<v Janet>Absolutely.</v>

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It makes you wonder though. What's the feedback been

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like directly from the farmers? Well,

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<v Jason>Funny you should mention that they've got this quote right</v>

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from a farmer guy named MOK.

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<v Janet>Okay.</v>

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<v Jason>And it's not just on their once,</v>

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it's on their website twice.

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So you know they want people to see it. Yeah.

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<v Janet>They're putting it front and center</v>

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<v Jason>And he talks about how much he likes being able to pay</v>

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after the harvest, which makes sense of course.

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But then also having access

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to these like name brand quality supplies

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but still being affordable.

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<v Janet>It's hitting all the right notes then.</v>

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<v Jason>Seems like it.</v>

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<v Janet>Are those like universal</v>

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farmer problems though?

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Or is that more of a Turkey specific thing?

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<v Jason>That's what I'm curious about.</v>

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<v Janet>So many questions. But like Tarfin</v>

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isn't just stopping there, right?

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With this whole like core model. Right.

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Their website mentions all

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this other stuff they're doing too.

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Like this income protected package. Oh

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<v Jason>Yeah. I saw</v>

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<v Janet>It sounds kind of wild.</v>

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Like too good to be true almost.

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<v Jason>Yeah, it's ambitious. What they're talking about is</v>

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basically like protecting farmers

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from those price swings we see.

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<v Janet>Oh you mean like with the crops themselves?</v>

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<v Jason>Exactly. Because those prices can be all over the place.</v>

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Right? Totally. So imagine if you as a farmer didn't have

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to worry so much about that.

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Like it takes away some of the risk.

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<v Janet>That'd be huge. Could totally change how you plan</v>

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for the next season even.

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Right? For sure. Okay. That's one thing.

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Then they've got Tarfin Pro too, right? Mm-Hmm .

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And from what I gathered,

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it's like they're not just helping out

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individual farmers anymore.

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They're going bigger like whole businesses.

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<v Jason>Exactly. So you know</v>

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how we were saying it's kinda like a

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partnership before? Yeah.

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<v Janet>Yeah.</v>

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<v Jason>Now it's like they wanna work</v>

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with the whole supply chain almost.

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Not just here's your loan farmer. It's more involved. So

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<v Janet>It's less about just facilitating a</v>

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transaction, more about like

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<v Jason>Building a whole system.</v>

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Yeah. Yeah. And this move from individual loans

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to supporting like these small

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and medium enterprises. I mean that's a statement.

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<v Janet>It's a whole other ball game for sure.</v>

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And it's not like they're hurting for cash or anything

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'cause they got a bunch of funding, right?

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<v Jason>Yeah.</v>

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Big money too. Which

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<v Janet>I mean that says something, right?</v>

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Like investors must have some faith in what Tarpon's doing.

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<v Jason>Absolutely. It. So they're not just a</v>

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flash in the pan, you know?

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Mm. People see the long game here. The potential.

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<v Janet>Okay, so I gotta ask though,</v>

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'cause everything sounds great so far.

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<v Jason>Uhoh, what's the catch?</v>

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<v Janet>Right? Like there's gotta be something, right?</v>

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It can't all be sunshine and roses.

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What are we like not seeing here?

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<v Jason>Well you always have to think about those things. Yeah.</v>

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Even with the best intentions. Totally.

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So one thing that comes to mind, like immediately

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technology, not every farmer

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has the latest smartphone. Right? That's

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<v Janet>True.</v>

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Especially out in more rural areas.

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the internet might not always be reliable.

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<v Jason>Exactly. And yeah, sure.</v>

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Tarpon's got this slick app, it's user friendly. Right?

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Right. But what if you don't even have that reliable access

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or if you're someone who you know,

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technology isn't there a strong suit

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<v Janet>That digital divide is a real</v>

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thing and not just in farming.

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Right? Totally. Yeah.

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<v Jason>So are they just leaving those farmers behind</v>

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or do they have other options?

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Like maybe some offline solutions?

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I don't know, to make sure everyone can benefit.

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That's something I think about. Yeah,

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<v Janet>Definitely.</v>

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Because even with access, even if you solve that, yeah,

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there's still the money side of things, right?

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<v Jason>Oh for sure. Financial literacy huge</v>

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<v Janet>Because they're making credit so easy to get.</v>

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Right? Could that backfire?

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Like farmers getting in over their heads,

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debt they can't handle. It's

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<v Jason>A risk for sure.</v>

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which you know, hopefully they are right.

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But you're always gonna have that risk

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with any financial product. Right?

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<v Janet>Especially in agriculture.</v>

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I mean so much of it is unpredictable.

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<v Jason>Exactly. One bad season, who knows.</v>

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So yeah, it's great if they make it easy

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to get funding, but they've gotta

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<v Janet>Educate people too.</v>

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<v Jason>A hundred percent. Make sure farmers know</v>

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what they're signing up for.

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All the ins and outs, the potential downsides.

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<v Janet>So there's a balance there, right?</v>

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Like you wanna encourage innovation, but I

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<v Jason>Protect people too.</v>

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<v Janet>Especially the people you're supposed to be helping.</v>

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<v Jason>Exactly. And</v>

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that actually makes me think about something else about

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scaling all this up. Oh right,

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<v Janet>Yeah.</v>

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Taking it beyond Turkey

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<v Jason>Because you know, this model,</v>

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it seems almost tailor made for them, right?

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<v Janet>Yeah. Makes sense for how things work over there.</v>

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<v Jason>But what about somewhere else? Different countries?</v>

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'cause farming's not the same everywhere, right?

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<v Janet>Totally not. Mm-Hmm. .</v>

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Different crops, different climates.

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<v Jason>Exactly. Plus you got different</v>

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rules about all this stuff.

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The financial side. Even just like culturally,

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how people view debt can be totally different.

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<v Janet>Yeah, good point.</v>

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<v Jason>So what works in Turkey?</v>

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No guarantees is gonna fly somewhere else. Yeah. You

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<v Janet>Know?</v>

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Oh for sure. Like a direct copy paste. Probably not. So

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<v Jason>That's the challenge for them, right?</v>

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If they want to go global. So you

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<v Janet>Gotta figure out how to adapt.</v>

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<v Jason>And it's not just the tech either, right?</v>

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<v Janet>It's about really understanding</v>

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<v Jason>What the The lay of the land.</v>

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Yeah. Before you even get to the tech. Mm-Hmm .

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Talk to the people on the ground,

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figure out the local challenges, the opportunities. Because

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<v Janet>A solution in one place could</v>

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<v Jason>Be a problem in another.</v>

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<v Janet>Right? So it's almost like they've gotta what?</v>

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Like stick to their principles but also be ready to pivot.

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<v Jason>Yeah, I like that.</v>

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<v Janet>Yeah.</v>

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Pivot, adapt, you know, whatever the word is

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<v Jason>Because they've gotta stay true to what they're about,</v>

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<v Janet>Flexible enough to make it work somewhere new.</v>

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<v Jason>Exactly.</v>

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<v Janet>It's a tough line to walk for sure.</v>

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So as we've been like going through all this,

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what's really standing out to you?

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<v Jason>You know, it's easy to get lost in the weeds, right? ?</v>

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Like with all the tech talk and the numbers, it's

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<v Janet>Easy to get caught up in all that, right?</v>

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Yeah. All the data.

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But we gotta remember this is about actual

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<v Jason>They're livelihoods. Exactly.</v>

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It's not just some like theoretical

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tech problem they're solving.

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<v Janet>Kind of cool actually.</v>

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Like you've got these big global companies

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doing their thing, right?

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Right. But then here's Tarfin coming in

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by focusing on something super specific.

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<v Jason>Challenge.</v>

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And that's often where the best

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innovation comes from, right?

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<v Janet>Totally. But how you even measure that.</v>

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Like how do we know they're making an impact?

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<v Jason>Well first off, you gotta remember cash flow is</v>

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everything in farming.

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They built their whole thing on it. Instead

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<v Janet>Of fighting the system, they</v>

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<v Jason>Embraced it.</v>

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They said, okay, farmers get paid after harvest.

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<v Janet>It is. 'cause for so long, it's like people were trying</v>

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<v Jason>A hundred percent. Yeah.</v>

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And it just doesn't work like that. Yeah.

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<v Janet>Nope. And the other thing that's really coming</v>

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through I think is just how powerful technology can be,

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Tarfin, they made their tech user friendly, which is key.

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<v Janet>People just wanna farm, you know, .</v>

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<v Jason>Exactly. . So you meet them where they are,</v>

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give 'em the tools that make sense, and

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<v Janet>Hopefully make their lives a</v>

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little bit easier in the process.

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That's the goal. Okay. But the big question I have now is,

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that it's never gonna fly somewhere else?

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<v Jason>Million dollar question, right? Yeah. And yeah, sure.</v>

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<v Janet>'em different places, different rules, right?</v>

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<v Jason>Exactly. But the big stuff like fixing the cashflow,</v>

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problem making things more transparent,

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giving farmers more control.

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<v Janet>It's like they've created a template almost. Yeah.</v>

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<v Jason>Like a blueprint, but you gotta</v>

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adjust for the local conditions.

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You know what I mean? Customize it. Exactly.

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<v Janet>So really it's about understanding that taking something</v>

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to a new place, it's not just about like dropping

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<v Jason>Right? It's about, I don't know,</v>

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almost like translating it.

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<v Janet>So if we had to sum all this up,</v>

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give our listener like one big takeaway from our Tarfin deep

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dive, what would it be?

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<v Jason>Ooh, that's a good one.</v>

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I think for me it comes down to this

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tech is great, can do amazing things.

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<v Janet>Obviously we're big fans,</v>

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<v Jason>Huge fans, but it's only as good</v>

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as the people using it, right?

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And the impact that has on their lives.

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<v Janet>That's a perfect way to put it.</v>

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It's a good reminder that even as tech gets like more

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Oh for sure. We can't forget about the human side of things.

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So as we wrap up our deep dive into

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Tarfin, we'll leave you with this.

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How can we use technology to build a better future?

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Not just for some, but for everyone. Think about it.

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Keep asking those questions.

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And until next time, happy diving.
