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This is, is off track.
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Hello. And welcome to an off track with H and Rossi. Hello.
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How you doing buddy? Do you, do you feel welcome?
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I feel like, here's the problem. We've just been dealing
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with some technical difficulties
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and while that's been going on,
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we just talked and caught up on everything.
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So, yeah, I guess good chat. Not really much.
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See you guys next week. Yeah. See you week. What's crazy
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Is what that recap in Nashville,
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you guys were just going through. That was insane.
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I, I can't believe that it
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wasn't recording the whole time. I can't
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Believe how much I missed from Yeah.
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Just watching the race. Well, anyway, uh, now
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that we're done with that, how's everybody doing? Good.
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Good. Um, good. No, well, it's not entirely true.
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That's, I feel like he just, people just say
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that when you ask them.
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At least I do. It's a very Canadian thing. I think
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Most people
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That's a good point. Yeah. Alex definitely does not do that.
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That's fair. If he's not doing well,
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It just looks at you like, how dare you speak to
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me
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Yeah. Like, we're not asking that question. Okay.
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Yeah, we're good. We're good. I'm just tired, Tim.
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I'm tired. It's been a, it's been a, so, Alex,
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do you remember when, do you remember when IndyCar ended?
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Uh, not really. It was so long ago.
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Mm-hmm. Yeah. Nine to 10 years ago.
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Right. So I know you didn't stop working then
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because you go to the sim every other day in Charlotte,
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but like the racing going to the racetrack or in England.
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Or in England, um, you've done a couple tests,
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but for the most part you've been home, uh, when not,
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you know, your responsibilities have been less.
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I've, I just got home. I just got home.
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I basically left Nashville and I,
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and I basically just got home and I'm now home for a while.
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So, as this is a travel podcast,
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we should go over my flight stuff for the year.
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'cause I know you love when I talk about my flight stuff.
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So here is
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my passport from Flighty, um,
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105 flights this year.
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140,519 miles,
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which is 5.6 times around the world.
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I spent 14 days
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and seven hours in an airplane.
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This year. Two weeks of my life
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were spent sitting in a tin can this year
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that is not account for the 28 hours lost to delays.
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So that's just time in the plane.
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That's not airports, that's just in the plane. So 28 hours.
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Again, that's not from being in the airport.
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That's being in the airport for hours.
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I was not supposed to be in the airport over a day.
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59 different airports, 16 different airlines. This was wild.
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It's wild. Wild. Do you wanna, do you wanna metal or what?
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I'm just, I'm just, I'm just talking. I'm just talking guys.
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Longest flight.
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14 hours and 48 minutes,
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which was amazingly the one coming home from this trip.
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Trip. So I ended on the longest flight
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Of the year.
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Was it? Was it Abu Dhabi, Chicago on Etha?
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It was Dubai to new to Newark.
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Ah,
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Ah, why?
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Here's what's, um, crazy to think about James. Hmm.
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That's only five hours longer than my flight from
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London to Charlotte.
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Yeah, dude. , this is, we were talking about this.
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So Alex, you had to go to England for, what'd you say,
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of 20 hours feet on the ground. Mm-hmm . Um,
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I just really wanted a nice, you know,
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British meal. That's what they're known for.
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No such thing. Um, so yeah.
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So explain , explain, explain to the listeners
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what you explained to me about your flight home.
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Well, like, like you, when I asked the question,
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I was like, how long do you think it takes
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to get from London to Charlotte?
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And you're like, oh, seven-ish hours.
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Which is I think an, an an appropriate guess considering,
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you know, New York to London
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can be under six hours.
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Chicago to, to London is very often six and a half.
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but, you know, jets can overcome a lot of that.
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It's not like my little putt putt, right? .
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So, coming back, yeah, you might lose 45 minutes or an hour
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or whatever, but, um, yeah, no, it was, it was a nine
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and a half hour flight and I didn't think that was possible
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until you think about the curvature of the earth.
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And you know, when you fly over to the Atlantic,
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they go pretty far north.
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Um, you know, E tops requires them to
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be in certain ranges on the event
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that there's an engine failure
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and, you know, single engine
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duration and that sort of thing.
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of the globe also because it's a shorter distance I'm sure.
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'cause the earth is thinner up there anyways.
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When you come back down, it gets fatter. Hmm.
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Um, so yeah, it would seem that, uh,
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flying from Iceland to Charlotte is about
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as long as it takes to get from New York to London,
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which is a crazy little thing to imagine, but
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It just, it's so, so that is what I explain.
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You look at it, you look at the map
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and you're like, that that's not right.
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Well, and just, just have knowledge of geography
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and you'd be like, that's not possible. That
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Makes no sense.
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But again, as we were pointing out Yes, you,
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you do it when you think about it
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and the curvature of the earth and all that stuff,
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and you sort of fly these arc patterns, uh,
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you don't fly straight lines when
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you are looking at it at a two.
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Anybody. Well, 'cause Earth is
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Not
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Anybody, anybody that thinks the earth is flat is just
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ignoring all facts. All facts.
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Favorite. My favorite part
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of the conspiracy theory that the earth is flat.
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Well, there's a few favorite parts.
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One, um, why, like, who would benefit?
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Like Big Globe is just trying
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to keep selling things just to classrooms. .
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Yep. And then two, like, just the, the, the leaps
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of which you'd have to like, ignore fundamental principles.
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Be like, okay, well then if we're not on a ball
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that's rotating, why do we have Gravity?
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Or like, why did the Stars move in one way
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and the planets move a different way And Yeah.
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You can't prove gravity. It's all, we're in a simulation.
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All right. This is just like a big Fortnite map. Nope.
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You don't know why it is though.
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It's not because the Earth's round could just be
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that something's down on us from above some invisible force.
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Yeah. I didn't,
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You know what?
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I didn't consider it that way. You heard
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it here first James.
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He believes he Earth is flat.
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Let's not get, let's not get involved in Big Globe. Right.
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You know, it's a big . Big guy's
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Not
Big Globe anymore.
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Attention. Right.
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Well also, you know, people are sensitive these days,
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so it might piss people off. Um, you know
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What?
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I'm all right. Pissing people off.
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If they think the earth is flat. Let's,
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You know what, you know what pisses me off.
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Please.
So are you ever on Instagram
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and you're going through like, I've seen
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It,
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Insta. What?
And you're going through like your, uh,
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Reels.
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Notifications, notifications, notifications. Right.
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And then it says, and and, and,
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and like a lot of Instagram is all about, you know,
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if you go to your, your search page or,
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or whatever like your It's the algorithm page.
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The algorithm. Right. It's tune into you
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and it's trying to get to click on stuff.
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Right. And it knows it's pretty good. Right?
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I mean, Tim's
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All boobies.
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Mine is now all babies. So there you go.
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Yeah. Um, mine's a lot of watches and race cars.
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That's kind of, that's kind
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of what mine looks like right now.
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The point that the three of us are in life. That all makes
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sense,
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That is, yeah. That's pretty accurate.
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So the, what throws me off is when you're going
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through your notifications every once in a while it goes so
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and so posted a thread you might like,
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Oh, I, that does piss me off.
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And that just, I'm like, this, you don't know me at all.
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'cause I have never once clicked on a threat.
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I, I hate the idea of threat.
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I don't even know what thread is. They, they
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Own it.
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I know they own it. That's why. Okay.
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But it's, but like you don't get me if you are suggesting
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that there's anything on thread that I am interested in,
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'cause I'm just not So just give up. Just just quit.
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That's really old man right there.
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'cause you just called it Thread.
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What is it? Is it Threads?
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Oh, whatever. This was just, this was brought
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to my attention because Cutter put something in
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Our can't prove are talking are on Talk Tick.
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It's just really really annoying. Um, yeah,
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It makes perfect sense.
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Guys, make of me for sharing tiktoks on the group chat.
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Oh, that's ridiculous.
Oh, it's, it's s hand.
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It's insulting to us that you think we have TikTok to watch
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them
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I know that you both have a profile so
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that you can watch them.
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It's not, it's not that we can't have a profile so
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that nobody takes the handle that is associated
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with all my other social
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Media channels. Alright. So you
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Can watch it when I send it.
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Point refuse. Refuse.
No refuse. Kelly
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Actually gets mad at me
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because apparently you can see if someone watches your
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tiktoks if you text it to
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Them. Yeah. Lets you know.
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Yeah. And so like, I've never done it.
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So she's gotten to the point where she will take the time
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to screen record a TikTok and send it to me before
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You can just download it too. You can do that.
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I actually respect that. She wants you
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to watch it so badly.
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She's gonna go through that process and send it to you.
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Yeah. 'cause she knows you're not gonna watch a TikTok.
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In fairness, I do think that your wife is the person
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who sends me the second most amount
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of actually maybe the most amount
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of tiktoks. Even more than Tim.
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Yeah. And they're usually sends Yeah. She's allowed to.
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She's whatever.
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Um, okay, listen, let's stop talking about that.
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Uh, you, you started this episode off talking about
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what you have been doing since the IndyCar season ended.
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Mm. Obviously a huge amount of travel. Welcome home.
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Thank you. Thank goodness that, thank you.
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At least you get a couple weeks, I would imagine in Indiana.
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Mm-hmm . Um, let's get right into it.
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Let's do it. So Abu Dhabi, we have been talking at length,
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uh, again because IndyCar's been over, um, for about as long
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as color televisions have been out .
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And so this is essentially a podcast about F1 now.
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And so we have been following very closely
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with much interest.
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Um, the championship fight that came down to the final race.
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Mm-hmm . Three guys going for all the glory
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for the first time since 2014.
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Was it 2000? Who? The, the team?
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No, three people in contention. Oh.
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20, um, 10 was the last time. There was three. So 15 years.
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And I thought it was anti-climatic.
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I thought it was, it was, um, that's not true.
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Let me rephrase that. I thought the buildup
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to the weekend was incredible.
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I thought qualifying was incredible.
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I thought the pre-race was incredible. Great job, James.
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Thank you. Uh, a big F1 TV fan now, by the way. Thank you.
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Um, I appreciate that. When YouTube TV
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and Disney had their little spat
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and ESPN was no longer available.
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I had to resort to F1 TV
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and I didn't switch away from it for the last five races.
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So we got 'em. You, you, you converted me.
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The buildup was amazing. I was
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so exci like I had butterflies in my stomach
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as the lights were going on and then off.
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'cause I was so excited about
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what was gonna happen over the next
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58 laps or whatever it is.
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And then it was kind of just, oh, .
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It's so funny, man.
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It's so funny because we'll get, we'll get into it more,
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but we, we, you know, the every night that week, right?
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We'd sit around the dinner table with our group of Ed F1 TV
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and once we got through
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and like you're just talk, you're
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just talking about everything.
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You're just trying to come up with every scenario, right?
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You're just trying to see what the world's gonna do. Right?
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What if, yeah. What if?
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And so after qualifying and Max is on Poll
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and Lando iss second, Oscar's third, so, you know,
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top three in the championship qualify top three in the race.
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It's very NASCAR of them
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Scripted so perfectly.
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Right. and then,
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and then like Q Netflix conspiracy theorists.
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Right? And then Julian Palmer, my good friend
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and commentator on F1 TV was absolutely convinced.
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Absolutely convinced. He was like, oh my God.
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The level of howery
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that we are gonna see in the race tomorrow is gonna be Epic.
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Abu Dhabi's kind of not known as the best race ever.
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It's never usually like a cracking race. Right.
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Which is really weird because
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It's weird.
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I don't understand why it races so poorly.
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I completely agree. I I've
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had this discussion with other people.
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Yeah. On paper it should.
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It's got two massive straits
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with DRS zones into big break zone.
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Like it should be a good race.
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And it just seldom is, it is now broken a record
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for 11 consecutive races where the pole sitter has won.
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So it was tied with Barcelona infamous
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for being a boring race.
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Mm. And being a, being a Saturday weekend, right.
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The race is Saturday and it's now beat the record
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for consecutive races won from Pulp.
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But Julian's like, no, no, no, no, no.
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Max is just gonna back the, he's gonna drive so slow.
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He goes, remember 2021 when Checko had Lewis behind him
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and was trying to give Max a buffer?
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He would Dr he was driving around three
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and a half, four seconds off the pace
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and keeping Lewis Hamilton behind him.
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He was like, Checko is good.
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Imagine Max as good as Max is how slow he can drive
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and keep cars behind him to get the midfield guys to mix in
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and undercut and try to just get involved
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because they just, they had to get Lando off the podium
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for Max to win the championship.
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And, and,
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and he was just like, it is gonna be complete Tom foolery
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complete Skullduggery.
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It is gonna be like a dirty fight.
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It's gonna be elbows out, it's gonna be great.
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And I was like, Julian,
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because that's what we all think is gonna happen.
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Whoever comes out of,
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however they come outta turn one
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is how they will finish the race.
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And I was nearly right. There was a pass halfway
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through Lap one and that was how they finished the race.
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But there there was so much, I so much expectation
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that it was gonna be this like complete cluster
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and a strategic nightmare and all these things.
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And it was none of those things. It was none of them.
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I I will say that I think there was an interesting,
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um, interview with, uh, Andrea Stella
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Sunday before the race.
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And someone asked him like, you know,
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how did you sleep last night?
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And he was like, well, I wasn't sleeping at all until
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I realized what the solution to the race is.
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And then I slept great.
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And I think what what made it a boring race
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and McLaren nailed it, was starting Oscar on the hard tire.
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Yeah. Because that negated really any of the bull
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that Max could do
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because Max,
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it wasn't just about Lando getting off the podium,
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like Max still had to win, right?
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Right. And so with Oscar
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and the pace that he had on the hard tire, being able
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to go along and all of this sort of thing,
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it never really afforded Max the
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opportunity to back anyone up.
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And if he were to, you know, let's say
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after all of the stops were done,
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he would've been giving up a 22nd buffer
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lead, which is just insane.
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You're not gonna do that because then if you don't win,
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you're gonna look like a real big idiot.
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Right. So it never presented itself
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because McLaren, you know, split strategies,
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which they're not super known to do,
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and, um, called it perfectly.
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And, and as much as I was disappointed with the results
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of the championship, because as
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it's been documented on this podcast,
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and I think James, you agree, it's been really cool
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to become a Max fan over the past, you know, year,
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but really the past eight races and,
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and watch the fight that, that him
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and the whole organization had to try and claw it back.
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But ultimately there were so many factors,
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especially coming down to the final race
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that were out Orlando's control
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that he should have had this thing locked up well
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before Abu Dhabi in the first place.
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Right. So the bright guy won the championship. Yes.
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Um, that's not to say
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that the best guy won the championship,
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but the, the guy in the championship.
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And it was really cool to see a first time world champion
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and someone that obviously has an immense amount of talent,
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um, and had to deal with a lot of criticism, um,
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throughout the past couple of years,
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but especially the past five months
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and came out the other side of it looking like, uh, a hero.
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So that was, that was cool to see.
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As much as it would've been awesome for Max
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to complete the comeback, it wasn't meant to be.
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So there you go. That's my opinion on it.
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It was not. And there's, there's so many things
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to unpacking the whole thing,
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but o off the top, I just, I I want to say it again
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'cause I know we've, we've talked about it here before.
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'cause it became really clear to me around, I think it was
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around Austin, well,
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at least Austin's the first time I remember talking about
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it, it was actually on another podcast.
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It's on the F1 Nation podcast.
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But Lando had this, had this sort of,
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you know, there, there was this, there was this moment
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where everything sort of shifted for him
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and he kinda started performing better and whatever.
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And everybody was giving him criticism like you you
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mentioned for being like too hard on
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himself publicly, right?
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Like too honest in the pen
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with mistakes and things like that.
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Not being mentally strong enough, making these mistakes
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and qualifying whatever, whatever.
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And I remember like always thinking, no, it, it looks
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to me like land's taking ownership of this stuff
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before anybody can call him out for it.
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It's that it goes back to that whole mentality, right?
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Of like, if you make fun of something about yourself
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before anybody else, can you take that power away from them
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to like use it against you.
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And that's what he was doing.
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If he made a mistake, he was like the only driver in the
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world to put his hand up and be like, nah, I messed that up.
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Even things that, and we talked about this, things
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that you didn't even see him do,
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you didn't even know there was a mistake there.
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He would come out and say, Hey, I made this mistake.
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And what it does is it eliminates anybody being able to use
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that as ammo against you.
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Now you could try to use that approach as ammo against him,
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but ultimately what he figured out was to get the best out
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of himself, he had
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to be this completely honest, open person.
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He talked about his struggles with mental health,
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with depression and all these things which are not things
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that are traditionally seen as traits of a champion.
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They're seen as weaknesses.
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And Lando didn't do it that way,
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even when the championship battle was getting tense,
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not only just with his teammate,
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but as Max started making that comeback,
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Lando always had a smile on his face.
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Lando was always, you know, able to shake hands
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with the guy across the garage
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and with Max, who we know he is, got a good friendship with
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that never wavered.
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And he kind of did things
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and this is what he said afterwards, right?
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As I get to the apex of the discussion, Sully,
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he did it his way, he did it the Lando way
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and it, it's, you know, we've, we've seen this template
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of a champion that we think you have to be,
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which is this cold-blooded killer
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and emotionless and whatever.
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And it's just not true.
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And he proved it and I think it actually does a lot
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for young athletes, right?
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Because the guy that was vulnerable, the guy that came out
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and opened up about his struggles was still able
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to get it done right?
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Nice guys, don't finish last nice guys can win world
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championships if you work hard at it.
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You work hard on yourself, you figure out
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what you need, you can get it done.
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And I think that's huge.
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I think if Lando had been a title favorite coming in, kind
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of had this criticism about being open about his struggles
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and whatever, and then bottled it
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and doesn't win the championship, I think it sets back
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this whole discussion of men.
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And there's a lot of other athletes in the last two,
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three years that have been more open about this stuff.
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Obviously Simone Biles was one of the big ones
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that made a big push of, you know,
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being open about struggling with stuff.
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But I think the fact that he talked about it
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and then backed it up is great.
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And it proves to young athletes that like,
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it's okay to feel that way.
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It's okay to talk about it and you work through it
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and figure out what you need.
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So I give him a ton of credit in that respect.
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The other thing that I think is really cool is
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Max had this interview, I think in Qatar
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and he's always kind of had this blase
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approach to the championship, right?
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Because he was never supposed to be in it realistically.
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And he said, he was like, yeah, whatever happens happens.
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Like if I win it, cool.
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If I don't, it's not gonna change my life.
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And that's the kind of thing that a driver says in
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that situation, right?
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But like, you really kind of believe it.
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Like after the race, he wins the race,
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loses the championship first gotta go up
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and give Lando a hug, laughing
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with him in the cool down room.
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He's not sitting there thinking back to being taken out
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by Kimie, Antonelli and Austria.
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He's not going back and thinking about his boneheaded move
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00:21:26.425 --> 00:21:28.385
in Spain that cost him enough points
506
00:21:28.385 --> 00:21:29.705
that he would've won the championship.
507
00:21:30.905 --> 00:21:32.665
I really don't think it bothered him at all.
508
00:21:33.325 --> 00:21:34.745
And that's a man
509
00:21:35.415 --> 00:21:37.625
talk about being in a good place as an athlete, right?
510
00:21:37.625 --> 00:21:40.505
Like being content with the success you've had that you came
511
00:21:40.505 --> 00:21:42.105
that close worked that hard.
512
00:21:42.285 --> 00:21:44.065
One of the greatest comebacks in sports
513
00:21:44.065 --> 00:21:45.425
history was right there.
514
00:21:46.365 --> 00:21:47.585
And he doesn't pull it off.
515
00:21:47.585 --> 00:21:50.745
And he is like, yeah, cool, all good. I'm happy Philando.
516
00:21:50.745 --> 00:21:51.865
He, he got a championship. That's great.
517
00:21:52.525 --> 00:21:56.265
So, so this just goes to prove what
518
00:21:56.845 --> 00:22:00.065
has become increasingly apparent over the past couple
519
00:22:00.065 --> 00:22:03.545
of years is that Max
520
00:22:04.355 --> 00:22:07.545
views Formula One as a hobby.
521
00:22:08.085 --> 00:22:10.425
He views it as, as something that, you know,
522
00:22:10.425 --> 00:22:13.825
he enjoys doing it obviously, you know, he makes a living
523
00:22:14.045 --> 00:22:17.705
and it's going to support his family and his, his daughter
524
00:22:17.845 --> 00:22:18.985
and his stepdaughter for
525
00:22:18.985 --> 00:22:20.345
Generations ,
Right?
526
00:22:20.725 --> 00:22:23.945
But he views it as an opportunity to go
527
00:22:23.945 --> 00:22:25.265
to work with his friends.
528
00:22:25.325 --> 00:22:27.225
You know, obviously his, his relationship
529
00:22:27.225 --> 00:22:28.905
with his engineer is incredibly close.
530
00:22:29.805 --> 00:22:31.905
Um, his relationship with
531
00:22:32.415 --> 00:22:34.785
that entire organization is incredibly close
532
00:22:34.805 --> 00:22:36.665
and it should be considering he was the,
533
00:22:36.965 --> 00:22:38.745
he was the Red Bull protege.
534
00:22:39.365 --> 00:22:41.705
He was the, the kid that they took a chance on
535
00:22:42.205 --> 00:22:45.025
and he's has rewarded them immensely for that.
536
00:22:45.725 --> 00:22:49.065
And so he is Red Bull F1 in, in a lot of ways.
537
00:22:49.485 --> 00:22:52.385
And so he just, he loves going and,
538
00:22:52.405 --> 00:22:54.945
and demanding the best out of the people he works with
539
00:22:55.365 --> 00:22:58.665
and holding himself to that level of excellence.
540
00:22:58.665 --> 00:23:02.825
And so I think, I think for the fact that he went out there,
541
00:23:03.045 --> 00:23:05.065
he put it on pole with two laps
542
00:23:05.065 --> 00:23:06.345
that were good enough for Pole, by the way.
543
00:23:06.365 --> 00:23:08.025
Mm-hmm . He dominated the race.
544
00:23:09.045 --> 00:23:12.065
He, he showed that he's the best driver in Formula One
545
00:23:12.245 --> 00:23:14.785
and potentially the best driver in F1 history with
546
00:23:14.785 --> 00:23:15.945
what he did this year.
547
00:23:17.005 --> 00:23:20.785
And, you know, he talked about going into Qatar, how,
548
00:23:21.605 --> 00:23:24.225
you know, he, his prep for the weekend was he had to deal
549
00:23:24.225 --> 00:23:26.785
with some of his stuff with g his GT three team.
550
00:23:27.245 --> 00:23:28.425
He had to deal with some stuff
551
00:23:28.425 --> 00:23:29.985
that was going on with his sim racing team.
552
00:23:30.285 --> 00:23:32.025
And that really consumed his three
553
00:23:32.025 --> 00:23:33.385
or four days leading up to Qatar.
554
00:23:33.805 --> 00:23:37.865
He got his guitar kind of put down his, his laptop
555
00:23:37.865 --> 00:23:39.305
and his cell phone and went
556
00:23:39.305 --> 00:23:43.345
and played a race car F1 driver for three days, got a win,
557
00:23:43.365 --> 00:23:45.885
wasn't supposed to win, was like cool, I guess we'll,
558
00:23:45.905 --> 00:23:47.525
you know, try this again Abu Dhabi.
559
00:23:47.745 --> 00:23:49.885
And sure enough, he did everything that he could.
560
00:23:50.225 --> 00:23:51.685
The team did everything that he could.
561
00:23:52.265 --> 00:23:54.685
And you could hear that in the radio messages, right?
562
00:23:54.685 --> 00:23:57.285
Mm-hmm . Like, there, there, there was such a level
563
00:23:57.305 --> 00:23:59.125
of respect going both ways.
564
00:23:59.705 --> 00:24:01.925
And it was like you gave everything you could,
565
00:24:02.105 --> 00:24:04.605
you should be proud of yourself and vice versa.
566
00:24:04.945 --> 00:24:06.165
You know, the team never quit.
567
00:24:06.185 --> 00:24:07.245
The team never gave up,
568
00:24:07.265 --> 00:24:09.805
the team never just, we've won four of these.
569
00:24:09.805 --> 00:24:11.645
We'll phone it in twenty, twenty six different,
570
00:24:11.645 --> 00:24:13.365
different regulations, Honda's leaving.
571
00:24:13.365 --> 00:24:16.925
Anyways, they, they showed the heart
572
00:24:16.925 --> 00:24:18.765
and the belief to the very last lap.
573
00:24:18.865 --> 00:24:23.645
And I think that that is why he is fine with it
574
00:24:23.645 --> 00:24:25.485
because ultimately Lando is his buddy.
575
00:24:26.465 --> 00:24:27.845
Um, and
576
00:24:27.865 --> 00:24:31.605
and the truth is he does have four of those at home and it's the same.
577
00:24:32.225 --> 00:24:34.525
So is a fifth gonna change his life? It sure isn't.
578
00:24:34.995 --> 00:24:36.605
It's, it's just, it's so funny
579
00:24:36.605 --> 00:24:40.245
because like on one hand you think of Max as
580
00:24:40.245 --> 00:24:42.325
that stone cold killer. Well, he
581
00:24:42.325 --> 00:24:43.325
Is
Template, right?
582
00:24:43.585 --> 00:24:47.605
And he is like between the, the, the green flag
583
00:24:47.605 --> 00:24:50.415
and the checkered flag, that is what he is.
584
00:24:51.195 --> 00:24:54.055
But it, it, to me, it is so amazing who he's become,
585
00:24:54.565 --> 00:24:56.735
what he's grown into with all the success that he's had.
586
00:24:57.515 --> 00:25:00.255
As soon as the checkered flag falls, he can just go back
587
00:25:00.255 --> 00:25:02.615
to being that like good human being where, like,
588
00:25:02.615 --> 00:25:03.655
like you say, I mean you nailed it.
589
00:25:03.655 --> 00:25:05.335
The radio message to the team
590
00:25:05.425 --> 00:25:08.095
after the checkered flag was incredible, man.
591
00:25:08.275 --> 00:25:11.855
He didn't give himself even the cool down lap to feel bad
592
00:25:11.855 --> 00:25:14.815
for himself, to feel sorry for himself, to be disappointed,
593
00:25:14.815 --> 00:25:15.855
to be upset, to be angry.
594
00:25:16.235 --> 00:25:19.535
He was so proud that they were even in that conversation,
595
00:25:20.245 --> 00:25:23.975
even in that fight at all to come back all this stuff
596
00:25:24.125 --> 00:25:25.735
through all the turmoil of the years,
597
00:25:25.735 --> 00:25:27.015
switching team principles,
598
00:25:27.045 --> 00:25:29.095
switching teammates, all this stuff.
599
00:25:29.555 --> 00:25:32.615
And his message was, dude so impressed.
600
00:25:32.615 --> 00:25:34.175
Like I said, I think I said in the post race show,
601
00:25:34.495 --> 00:25:35.815
I didn't think I could be more impressed
602
00:25:35.815 --> 00:25:38.695
with Max Tappin as a driver.
603
00:25:38.755 --> 00:25:40.335
He did it, but he always does. And it's the same,
604
00:25:40.335 --> 00:25:43.175
but he's just, he's leveled up outside of the car in a way
605
00:25:43.175 --> 00:25:44.455
that I didn't see coming.
606
00:25:44.635 --> 00:25:46.255
And it's, it's amazing.
607
00:25:47.075 --> 00:25:51.895
No, if, if he continues to Grace F1
608
00:25:51.895 --> 00:25:55.255
with his presence, he will rewrite every, every record.
609
00:25:55.555 --> 00:25:59.045
And it really doesn't matter clearly
610
00:25:59.585 --> 00:26:01.525
if Red Bull has the best car
611
00:26:01.525 --> 00:26:04.045
or not, as long as the car is good enough.
612
00:26:04.345 --> 00:26:05.925
Mm-hmm. Right. He will,
613
00:26:05.985 --> 00:26:07.925
he will win more world championships.
614
00:26:08.125 --> 00:26:09.645
I think he will beat Lewis' record
615
00:26:10.665 --> 00:26:12.805
and he will not that he cares.
616
00:26:12.955 --> 00:26:15.165
He's, he's gone a record saying many times he doesn't give a
617
00:26:15.245 --> 00:26:17.405
<inaudible>, but if he continues
618
00:26:17.405 --> 00:26:18.605
to stay 'cause he's having fun.
619
00:26:19.025 --> 00:26:20.605
And that's, that's the big thing for him.
620
00:26:20.605 --> 00:26:23.645
He says, as long as I'm, if these new cars suck
621
00:26:23.645 --> 00:26:25.565
to drive, like I'm out.
622
00:26:26.025 --> 00:26:29.085
And it was also interesting, you know, there,
623
00:26:29.205 --> 00:26:30.485
I think it was in the cool down room
624
00:26:30.865 --> 00:26:35.045
and he was talking to Oscar and it was funny
625
00:26:35.285 --> 00:26:39.605
'cause both of them were like, thank God this era of car is
626
00:26:39.605 --> 00:26:42.725
done
, dude, every one of them.
627
00:26:43.395 --> 00:26:46.805
It's hilarious how much they all hate those things. Like,
628
00:26:46.875 --> 00:26:47.885
It's so funny though, because,
629
00:26:47.885 --> 00:26:49.485
Which is because considering they're like breaking track
630
00:26:49.485 --> 00:26:51.445
records and they're the fastest they've ever been,
631
00:26:51.465 --> 00:26:52.445
but they're all like, they are
632
00:26:52.445 --> 00:26:53.685
heaps of <inaudible> to drive.
633
00:26:54.195 --> 00:26:55.485
This is why they're so torn.
634
00:26:55.485 --> 00:26:57.285
Like everyone says, like, we're gonna miss
635
00:26:57.285 --> 00:26:58.765
what it does in the high speed corners,
636
00:26:58.865 --> 00:27:01.645
but we're not gonna miss the size, the weight,
637
00:27:01.785 --> 00:27:04.605
the purposing, the, the ride quality.
638
00:27:04.925 --> 00:27:06.605
'cause you gotta be so stiff and all this stuff.
639
00:27:07.155 --> 00:27:10.285
They all love like a couple corners of the whole year.
640
00:27:10.285 --> 00:27:11.845
Mm-hmm . It's like, oh, that's, we're gonna miss that.
641
00:27:11.855 --> 00:27:13.885
We're gonna miss turn one at Suzuka with this thing,
642
00:27:14.225 --> 00:27:17.525
you know, we're gonna miss pong, we're gonna miss,
643
00:27:17.705 --> 00:27:18.925
you know, certain corners.
644
00:27:19.305 --> 00:27:20.765
But yeah, I think fundamentally
645
00:27:21.005 --> 00:27:22.245
everyone's happy to see the back of it.
646
00:27:22.755 --> 00:27:25.605
Yeah. Until the 26 car shows up and we'll see.
647
00:27:25.605 --> 00:27:27.965
Maybe it's just so much less fun to drive.
648
00:27:27.965 --> 00:27:30.805
They're like, I'd rather have a broken back and, uh,
649
00:27:30.985 --> 00:27:33.485
and get back to Porpoising, but have a good car.
650
00:27:33.635 --> 00:27:36.245
Yeah. So anyway, congrats to Lando. Um,
651
00:27:37.085 --> 00:27:38.485
Congrats to McLaren. I mean,
652
00:27:38.565 --> 00:27:39.605
Congrats McLaren
653
00:27:39.715 --> 00:27:43.405
Huge what it was three years ago that they were like
654
00:27:44.285 --> 00:27:46.765
DFL in Bahrain and like
655
00:27:47.295 --> 00:27:49.565
Break setting on fire couldn't finish, runs
656
00:27:49.905 --> 00:27:51.525
Really bad, really bad.
657
00:27:51.865 --> 00:27:54.645
And like last year it was a huge turnaround and a huge step.
658
00:27:55.065 --> 00:27:59.085
And this year to be constructors and drivers champions.
659
00:27:59.365 --> 00:28:02.405
I mean that's, that's pretty incredible.
660
00:28:02.665 --> 00:28:04.925
So hats off to, to old Zach
661
00:28:05.585 --> 00:28:08.365
And you can't, and you can't, um, talk about
662
00:28:08.365 --> 00:28:10.045
that without talking about Oscar as well.
663
00:28:10.225 --> 00:28:12.205
You know, his, his season was incredible man,
664
00:28:12.205 --> 00:28:14.925
30 year in the series, when you look at the jump
665
00:28:15.075 --> 00:28:19.445
that he made, seven wins, six polls, led the championship
666
00:28:19.465 --> 00:28:23.365
for 15 races and did, did an incredible job.
667
00:28:23.555 --> 00:28:26.365
Like no major mistakes outside of Baku.
668
00:28:26.585 --> 00:28:29.165
You know, had that drop a little bit of a drop in form at
669
00:28:29.165 --> 00:28:31.445
that certain run of tracks kind of
670
00:28:31.445 --> 00:28:32.965
through the Americas, right?
671
00:28:33.695 --> 00:28:36.325
Which the team says is 'cause they were low grip
672
00:28:36.385 --> 00:28:38.605
and the car required something specific
673
00:28:38.625 --> 00:28:41.245
and low grip that Lando just was better at than he was.
674
00:28:41.305 --> 00:28:42.845
And it all comes with time.
675
00:28:42.965 --> 00:28:45.365
I mean, look at the jump that Lando has made from
676
00:28:45.995 --> 00:28:47.445
year three in the championship
677
00:28:47.465 --> 00:28:49.925
to now I think he's in his seventh season or whatever.
678
00:28:50.315 --> 00:28:54.325
Yeah. So, you know, Oscar's potential is unbelievably high.
679
00:28:55.025 --> 00:28:57.845
And um, and I thought he handled everything very well,
680
00:28:58.455 --> 00:28:59.485
given the circumstance.
681
00:28:59.515 --> 00:29:01.485
It's tough to lead the championship for that long
682
00:29:01.505 --> 00:29:02.965
and not come away with it.
683
00:29:03.645 --> 00:29:05.205
Nobody's ever led the championship for
684
00:29:05.205 --> 00:29:06.245
that long and not won it.
685
00:29:06.705 --> 00:29:08.525
And the season is longer now than it's ever been.
686
00:29:08.585 --> 00:29:11.045
So that maybe not a completely fair comparison.
687
00:29:11.825 --> 00:29:13.285
Um, Lando also,
688
00:29:13.285 --> 00:29:14.725
this is an interesting one, which I didn't realize.
689
00:29:15.135 --> 00:29:19.455
Lando was the fourth longest career
690
00:29:20.395 --> 00:29:22.655
before winning their first world championship.
691
00:29:23.135 --> 00:29:25.255
Hmm. Like fourth longest number of races.
692
00:29:25.895 --> 00:29:29.615
I think Rossberg was number one button was up there. Hmm.
693
00:29:30.395 --> 00:29:32.615
And then I forget who the third one was.
694
00:29:33.245 --> 00:29:34.615
Well it must have been Vel, right?
695
00:29:34.615 --> 00:29:36.815
Because he had so many years at Toroso first.
696
00:29:37.515 --> 00:29:39.095
No dude, he was only there for like a year and a half.
697
00:29:39.635 --> 00:29:42.165
Was he all year one in the went
698
00:29:42.165 --> 00:29:43.485
and Monza and then got promoted?
699
00:29:43.715 --> 00:29:48.415
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're right. Yeah. Um huh. Well,
700
00:29:50.465 --> 00:29:52.265
Whatever it was someone else. I mean, but that's
701
00:29:52.265 --> 00:29:55.895
Also, that's also just indicative
702
00:29:55.895 --> 00:29:57.175
of Formula One being
703
00:29:57.175 --> 00:30:00.255
you're only as good as the car you're in. So like, for sure
704
00:30:00.575 --> 00:30:01.575
I, yeah.
705
00:30:01.575 --> 00:30:02.815
And, and just the fact that he stuck
706
00:30:02.815 --> 00:30:05.575
with McLaren when Red Bull came calling at one point
707
00:30:05.575 --> 00:30:08.415
because he saw the, you know, the potential in the team
708
00:30:08.595 --> 00:30:10.255
and he just, he deserves it, man.
709
00:30:10.255 --> 00:30:11.295
There's just, there's no two ways about it.
710
00:30:11.315 --> 00:30:13.015
He deserves it a hundred percent. He's gonna be a great
711
00:30:13.255 --> 00:30:15.175
champion, you know, in terms of for the sport.
712
00:30:15.895 --> 00:30:18.255
'cause again, max rightly so
713
00:30:18.255 --> 00:30:19.855
and understandably, he doesn't really care
714
00:30:19.915 --> 00:30:21.655
and he's not gonna go above and beyond.
715
00:30:21.655 --> 00:30:23.695
He is not gonna do all the extracurriculars, whatever.
716
00:30:23.715 --> 00:30:26.735
But like Lambos fan base is, is rabid
717
00:30:26.735 --> 00:30:28.215
and passionate in the right demo.
718
00:30:29.125 --> 00:30:32.175
He's gonna be willing to go on the cover of GQ
719
00:30:32.475 --> 00:30:33.735
and you know, kind of help.
720
00:30:34.045 --> 00:30:36.335
He's just gonna represent the sport, I think in a good way
721
00:30:36.435 --> 00:30:39.495
to a good demo and help grow it. Yeah,
722
00:30:39.495 --> 00:30:40.495
Yeah.
723
00:30:40.495 --> 00:30:42.015
You know, it really needs some growth
724
00:30:42.075 --> 00:30:46.495
and it really needs, it needs some, some momentum behind it.
725
00:30:46.495 --> 00:30:47.495
You know, it's, it's sad
726
00:30:47.495 --> 00:30:50.135
to see it struggling like it is, you know.
727
00:30:50.155 --> 00:30:52.455
So thank God, you know, Orlando's gonna go on the cover
728
00:30:52.455 --> 00:30:56.455
of GQ because, and my concerns there ,
729
00:31:00.315 --> 00:31:01.455
I'm gonna go out on a limb here
730
00:31:01.455 --> 00:31:02.975
and say, that was a little sarcastic.
731
00:31:03.435 --> 00:31:05.295
Do you think he could go on the cover of gq?
732
00:31:05.325 --> 00:31:06.535
Like for IndyCar? .
733
00:31:11.515 --> 00:31:12.815
We just need him to have one interview
734
00:31:12.815 --> 00:31:14.655
where he says he'd love to try IndyCar one day.
735
00:31:15.145 --> 00:31:18.335
Let's, uh, let's close out, let's close out Abu Dhabi
736
00:31:18.335 --> 00:31:20.575
and F1 with, um, some big news
737
00:31:20.725 --> 00:31:23.375
that came out today, uh, being Tuesday.
738
00:31:23.915 --> 00:31:28.895
Um, helmet Marco, who has been a stalwart
739
00:31:28.915 --> 00:31:30.495
of Red Bull racing
740
00:31:30.915 --> 00:31:33.055
and the Red Bull Driver Development program.
741
00:31:33.515 --> 00:31:38.255
And really everything Red Bull racing related since they
742
00:31:38.255 --> 00:31:40.555
started, um, racing
743
00:31:40.775 --> 00:31:43.955
and not just making energy drinks, uh,
744
00:31:44.095 --> 00:31:46.755
was released one year early from his contract.
745
00:31:47.055 --> 00:31:51.275
Um, and not entirely surprised.
746
00:31:51.695 --> 00:31:55.195
Um, you know, Helme has his, his way of doing things
747
00:31:55.255 --> 00:31:59.435
and he's, he's, he's very much states things
748
00:31:59.615 --> 00:32:02.155
as he sees them with very little filter.
749
00:32:02.655 --> 00:32:05.155
Um, which is part
750
00:32:05.155 --> 00:32:10.035
of the reason why I think he had such a huge eye for success
751
00:32:10.215 --> 00:32:11.475
and talent in,
752
00:32:11.535 --> 00:32:13.515
in young drivers is because there was no bull.
753
00:32:13.855 --> 00:32:15.395
He didn't mm-hmm . Listen to the bull.
754
00:32:16.255 --> 00:32:20.075
He didn't care about anything other than what his mind
755
00:32:20.095 --> 00:32:21.195
and gut was telling him.
756
00:32:21.455 --> 00:32:24.155
Um, so it is probably one of his greatest strengths.
757
00:32:24.175 --> 00:32:26.075
But anyways, he won't be a part of,
758
00:32:26.415 --> 00:32:27.995
of Red Bull F1 going forward.
759
00:32:28.215 --> 00:32:29.555
So pretty big,
760
00:32:29.575 --> 00:32:31.195
pretty big shake up there over the
761
00:32:31.195 --> 00:32:32.555
past six months, isn't it?
762
00:32:32.935 --> 00:32:34.435
Big shift. Big shift. Yeah. Yeah.
763
00:32:34.435 --> 00:32:35.635
He's been there since the beginning
764
00:32:35.815 --> 00:32:38.155
and you know, he's the guy that found Vel.
765
00:32:38.345 --> 00:32:40.125
He's the guy that convinced them
766
00:32:40.125 --> 00:32:43.565
to put Tappin into an F1 car at 17 years old.
767
00:32:43.745 --> 00:32:46.685
You know, he's the one that rolled some dice in a big way.
768
00:32:46.905 --> 00:32:48.205
You can look at it the other way too.
769
00:32:48.405 --> 00:32:51.125
I mean, I think ISI read today in one of the articles, like
770
00:32:51.705 --> 00:32:54.605
he helped bring 21 different drivers into Formula One,
771
00:32:55.515 --> 00:32:58.125
including the likes of Tappin, Vel, whatever.
772
00:32:58.705 --> 00:33:00.605
But you can look at it the other way. Of those 21,
773
00:33:00.605 --> 00:33:02.285
there's probably 10 that you forget.
774
00:33:02.285 --> 00:33:04.285
Were even in Formula One because
775
00:33:05.035 --> 00:33:07.445
Antonio Luzi, Scotts
776
00:33:07.475 --> 00:33:10.165
Christian Clean, you know, Christian Clean.
777
00:33:10.165 --> 00:33:13.325
Yeah. Like Robert Thorn boss, you know, like good guys.
778
00:33:13.465 --> 00:33:17.725
But they, that, that program was a little hectic at times.
779
00:33:18.465 --> 00:33:20.205
And also actually let's, let's,
780
00:33:20.215 --> 00:33:22.005
let's not close out the Formula One stuff yet
781
00:33:22.005 --> 00:33:23.205
because keep on the Red Bull theme.
782
00:33:23.205 --> 00:33:24.965
They finally announced their driver lineup
783
00:33:25.025 --> 00:33:26.645
for their two teams next year.
784
00:33:27.105 --> 00:33:29.925
So Ec Cajar got the promotion to Race to Red Bull,
785
00:33:29.925 --> 00:33:31.085
which I think was pretty, pretty, that
786
00:33:31.085 --> 00:33:32.045
What it is. It's eac.
787
00:33:32.475 --> 00:33:36.445
Yeah. Yeah. So it's, I get like,
788
00:33:36.445 --> 00:33:37.525
that's how he says it.
789
00:33:37.575 --> 00:33:40.485
Right. Well, but he also, he's, he's also like,
790
00:33:40.585 --> 00:33:42.885
but I get that, like for English speakers it's is,
791
00:33:42.995 --> 00:33:45.245
it's Isaac, so he doesn't really carry either way,
792
00:33:45.245 --> 00:33:46.885
but I don't know, I heard him say it in interview,
793
00:33:46.885 --> 00:33:49.365
so I was like, nah, it doesn't, it doesn't sound weird,
794
00:33:49.825 --> 00:33:52.605
you know, like if you try to say, I'll put it this way,
795
00:33:52.605 --> 00:33:54.085
if I'm gonna say Char La Claire
796
00:33:54.225 --> 00:33:56.245
and not Charles la Clarke, I,
797
00:33:56.365 --> 00:33:58.005
I can say ISAC instead of Isaac.
798
00:33:58.305 --> 00:34:02.485
But yeah, so Haja gets the promotion sort of,
799
00:34:02.625 --> 00:34:03.685
uh, understandably.
800
00:34:03.945 --> 00:34:07.605
And then, yeah, Lynn Blad was again expected to be promoted
801
00:34:07.665 --> 00:34:09.885
to the Racing Bulls car from F two, which he was.
802
00:34:10.345 --> 00:34:13.205
And they have opted to keep Liam Lawson
803
00:34:13.465 --> 00:34:18.165
and let Yuki, well not let him go, I guess reposition him,
804
00:34:18.435 --> 00:34:22.565
repurpose him to a, uh, reserve driver role for Red Bull.
805
00:34:23.045 --> 00:34:24.445
Interesting. I know we've discussed
806
00:34:24.765 --> 00:34:26.205
RIP Eza .
807
00:34:29.195 --> 00:34:31.205
Dude, you have to wonder,
808
00:34:31.785 --> 00:34:33.765
you have to wonder what's gonna happen. Is it really
809
00:34:33.805 --> 00:34:34.805
A wonder at this point?
810
00:34:35.425 --> 00:34:39.325
No. You, you lean on, if you're him, you lean on the fact
811
00:34:39.325 --> 00:34:40.805
that there's a new regulation coming,
812
00:34:41.075 --> 00:34:44.725
even though the pre 2022 cars, the pre-ground effects cars,
813
00:34:44.785 --> 00:34:46.245
he did the same thing to all his teammates.
814
00:34:46.585 --> 00:34:49.725
So like, if he does it again, this came up, right,
815
00:34:49.725 --> 00:34:51.405
this conversation was happening over the weekend.
816
00:34:51.905 --> 00:34:53.405
We, we basically did the math.
817
00:34:54.105 --> 00:34:57.565
And if you go through all of his teammates since Ricardo,
818
00:34:58.825 --> 00:35:01.085
the average deficit in qualifying is like
819
00:35:01.085 --> 00:35:02.125
right at half a second.
820
00:35:02.585 --> 00:35:07.125
And it's, it doesn't alban who's, you know, that's insane.
821
00:35:07.365 --> 00:35:11.845
A team leader at Williams Gly who's got a long-term deal
822
00:35:11.845 --> 00:35:14.325
and a team leader at Alpine, like Checo
823
00:35:14.545 --> 00:35:15.685
who everybody thought was <inaudible>
824
00:35:15.865 --> 00:35:17.885
and is now like, oh my God, he actually was the best
825
00:35:17.885 --> 00:35:20.365
of the bunch and is now lead team leader at a
826
00:35:20.365 --> 00:35:21.565
brand new startup organization.
827
00:35:21.835 --> 00:35:25.605
Like it's Max is just that good guys.
828
00:35:25.905 --> 00:35:29.205
And it's going to be very interesting to see
829
00:35:29.205 --> 00:35:31.645
because all the chatter about these new regs
830
00:35:31.645 --> 00:35:33.805
and uh, extra work the drivers are gonna have
831
00:35:33.805 --> 00:35:36.365
to do in thinking about things like energy management
832
00:35:36.585 --> 00:35:39.605
and the drivers that have extra bandwidth to, to deal with
833
00:35:39.605 --> 00:35:41.925
that Max's advantage is gonna grow.
834
00:35:42.425 --> 00:35:44.885
Mm, it's gonna grow with next year's car.
835
00:35:45.155 --> 00:35:46.685
Whether his car's gonna be any good
836
00:35:46.685 --> 00:35:49.525
or not is irrelevant in terms of the inter team battle
837
00:35:49.625 --> 00:35:52.405
or intra team battle with, uh, with Jar.
838
00:35:52.705 --> 00:35:54.725
So yeah, I mean it's gonna be an
839
00:35:55.325 --> 00:35:58.285
interesting, interesting program. Um, I mean
840
00:35:58.285 --> 00:35:59.885
His car, his car might not be good,
841
00:35:59.885 --> 00:36:01.165
but at least he's gonna have some
842
00:36:01.725 --> 00:36:02.885
American ponies behind that
843
00:36:02.885 --> 00:36:03.885
thing.
,
844
00:36:05.165 --> 00:36:06.845
I mean the engine's built in England
845
00:36:06.845 --> 00:36:08.645
by Red Bull Technologies, but Ford's gonna
846
00:36:08.645 --> 00:36:09.645
Slap a badge on it.
847
00:36:09.645 --> 00:36:11.765
Blue, blue badge bro. Blue. It is gonna have a, it's
848
00:36:11.765 --> 00:36:12.765
Kind of a badge on it.
849
00:36:13.345 --> 00:36:16.005
Mm. It's gonna have that eco boost. It's gonna be ripping.
850
00:36:17.475 --> 00:36:19.485
Wait, aren't you a Chevy guy? What do you ?
851
00:36:20.265 --> 00:36:23.125
That's true. I'm a big Chevy guy. But
852
00:36:23.345 --> 00:36:24.485
You know, there's a GM product
853
00:36:24.505 --> 00:36:25.725
that's gonna be on the grid.
854
00:36:25.795 --> 00:36:27.085
Well, not engine wise, I guess not
855
00:36:27.085 --> 00:36:27.605
Next year. That's
856
00:36:27.605 --> 00:36:28.605
True.
857
00:36:28.605 --> 00:36:29.765
That's true. So wait, do we think
858
00:36:29.765 --> 00:36:31.445
that Yuki should be looking at IndyCar?
859
00:36:31.725 --> 00:36:34.085
I mean, does he want to enjoy his life again?
860
00:36:34.305 --> 00:36:35.685
No, not yet. 'cause he keeps saying
861
00:36:35.755 --> 00:36:40.325
that he's not done an F1, so no, he'll do the one year
862
00:36:40.325 --> 00:36:42.125
of a reserve driver role. Here's
863
00:36:42.125 --> 00:36:43.125
The thing.
864
00:36:43.125 --> 00:36:46.005
Yuki, Yuki wouldn't like IndyCar at least immediately
865
00:36:46.165 --> 00:36:47.885
'cause he couldn't wear his pants that he likes
866
00:36:47.885 --> 00:36:49.525
to wear. 'cause people would, I mean,
867
00:36:50.105 --> 00:36:51.365
You could wear his pants, make a lot
868
00:36:51.365 --> 00:36:52.365
Of fun of him.
869
00:36:52.365 --> 00:36:53.445
Nah, it's, you know, it's,
870
00:36:53.445 --> 00:36:55.005
it's called fashion. Look it up Alex.
871
00:36:55.005 --> 00:36:56.725
Could you imagine? Okay, so let's,
872
00:36:56.725 --> 00:36:58.285
let's just be honest, all right.
873
00:36:58.795 --> 00:37:00.525
There's one seat left in IndyCar.
874
00:37:00.625 --> 00:37:04.005
Mm-hmm um, we all know who that is. Honda Power team.
875
00:37:04.005 --> 00:37:06.885
Can you imagine, can you imagine he shows up
876
00:37:08.185 --> 00:37:11.645
and his attire to Dale Coin racing, uh,
877
00:37:11.705 --> 00:37:13.365
to the shop. I'd chuckle
878
00:37:13.745 --> 00:37:15.245
If he walks into the track with a,
879
00:37:15.245 --> 00:37:19.485
with a Sonny's barbecue bag and his parachute pants.
880
00:37:20.225 --> 00:37:22.405
Listen, um, I would love it
881
00:37:22.405 --> 00:37:26.965
because I think he is potentially the funniest guy on,
882
00:37:27.235 --> 00:37:31.885
he's a personality and he's obviously very good despite
883
00:37:32.605 --> 00:37:33.965
anything that has happened
884
00:37:33.965 --> 00:37:37.325
to him in the past six months being Max's teammate
885
00:37:37.325 --> 00:37:40.005
because he was destroying everyone
886
00:37:40.035 --> 00:37:43.525
that it was his teammate when he was at, uh, racing Bulls.
887
00:37:43.525 --> 00:37:45.965
So, um, I think it'd be very cool.
888
00:37:46.465 --> 00:37:47.965
But I agree with you
889
00:37:47.995 --> 00:37:50.885
that I don't think he's quite ready for that switch yet.
890
00:37:51.275 --> 00:37:52.725
He's quite young.
891
00:37:53.505 --> 00:37:58.005
Um, and it would not surprise me if
892
00:37:59.455 --> 00:38:01.915
he ends up back in a Formula One car at some point.
893
00:38:02.455 --> 00:38:05.595
So that's my opinion. But it's cool to think about.
894
00:38:06.185 --> 00:38:07.755
Well, yeah, I mean, based on all the other guys
895
00:38:07.755 --> 00:38:08.875
that Max has destroyed,
896
00:38:08.875 --> 00:38:11.555
they all ended up still having good careers after that.
897
00:38:12.095 --> 00:38:13.275
So. 'cause they're not that bad.
898
00:38:13.465 --> 00:38:14.795
They're not as bad as you think.
899
00:38:14.865 --> 00:38:16.315
They're not as bad as you think
900
00:38:16.855 --> 00:38:18.235
Kaz man, it's wild, isn't it?
901
00:38:18.735 --> 00:38:23.265
One guy just systematically dismantling everybody
902
00:38:23.265 --> 00:38:24.465
that sit beside him.
903
00:38:25.695 --> 00:38:28.065
It's wild. I've never seen anything like it.
904
00:38:28.745 --> 00:38:29.905
I never seen anything like it. I dunno,
905
00:38:29.905 --> 00:38:30.945
is that what Paolo's doing right now?
906
00:38:31.225 --> 00:38:33.105
I mean, if he keeps doing it, then yeah. Yeah.
907
00:38:33.145 --> 00:38:35.145
I mean, is he dismantling Dixon? Yeah.
908
00:38:35.475 --> 00:38:37.965
Four championships in the last five years to got zero.
909
00:38:38.115 --> 00:38:39.765
It's not, it's not a great look.
910
00:38:39.905 --> 00:38:40.925
Hey. Yeah, but I still don't,
911
00:38:40.925 --> 00:38:42.645
I don't feel like anybody's sitting there laying like, eh,
912
00:38:42.645 --> 00:38:44.685
we should get rid of this Scott kid. He's no good anymore.
913
00:38:44.685 --> 00:38:46.525
No, for sure. Because the, because the difference is is
914
00:38:46.525 --> 00:38:48.205
like in IndyCar, the cars are all good.
915
00:38:48.225 --> 00:38:49.685
So Scott Dixon, who is still a good driver,
916
00:38:49.745 --> 00:38:51.605
is still winning races and competing in top
917
00:38:51.605 --> 00:38:52.805
three in the championship, right?
918
00:38:52.805 --> 00:38:54.525
Think, I think we do. But like when Red Bulls car's not
919
00:38:54.525 --> 00:38:55.805
great, max just out drives it
920
00:38:55.865 --> 00:38:58.285
and everyone else is struggling in the, in the teens.
921
00:38:58.955 --> 00:39:01.485
Yeah. Yes. So it's not the same.
922
00:39:02.035 --> 00:39:04.125
Yeah. Agreed. Agreed.
923
00:39:05.275 --> 00:39:08.205
Wild times guys. Well that's F1 done for guess what?
924
00:39:08.545 --> 00:39:12.325
Uh, like less than 90 days before
925
00:39:13.045 --> 00:39:14.405
<inaudible> back on track,
Dude.
926
00:39:14.405 --> 00:39:16.605
It's fi it's 56 days I think
927
00:39:16.625 --> 00:39:19.085
to the first test from the end of Abu Dhabi.
928
00:39:19.185 --> 00:39:20.725
And like they were, they're testing right now,
929
00:39:20.725 --> 00:39:22.365
like they're doing the young driver test
930
00:39:22.425 --> 00:39:24.685
and like the 2026 test today
931
00:39:24.705 --> 00:39:27.125
or yesterday, whatever day we're recording. Um, well
932
00:39:27.125 --> 00:39:29.925
They better watch out because Indie lights is testing
933
00:39:30.025 --> 00:39:31.725
at the Miami track. So
934
00:39:31.865 --> 00:39:32.865
That's, how's that?
935
00:39:32.925 --> 00:39:35.005
I didn't realize it was like a track the rest of the year.
936
00:39:35.005 --> 00:39:37.445
Neither did I. And also to
What end
937
00:39:38.795 --> 00:39:41.565
Also, why was that not provided as an option to IndyCar?
938
00:39:42.085 --> 00:39:43.645
A hundred percent. Where's the
939
00:39:43.645 --> 00:39:45.285
preseason 'cause test for IndyCar
940
00:39:45.315 --> 00:39:46.285
Phoenix. Oh
941
00:39:46.285 --> 00:39:47.285
Yeah, that makes sense.
942
00:39:47.285 --> 00:39:49.805
No, but like I would like that to be an option for,
943
00:39:50.185 --> 00:39:53.205
you know, it's hard to find road courses to test
944
00:39:53.205 --> 00:39:54.245
that in the winter.
945
00:39:54.625 --> 00:39:56.485
Mm-hmm . In America. Mm-hmm .
946
00:39:57.075 --> 00:40:00.085
Coda is very unreasonable from a price standpoint. Mm-hmm .
947
00:40:00.165 --> 00:40:03.245
Mm-hmm . Um, we've all talked about our pros
948
00:40:03.245 --> 00:40:04.645
and cons with Sebring.
949
00:40:04.785 --> 00:40:08.245
Mm-hmm . Um, so a real road course
950
00:40:08.825 --> 00:40:11.045
in Miami would be interesting. Mm-hmm .
951
00:40:11.145 --> 00:40:13.605
Mm-hmm . But I, it's funny that like
952
00:40:13.605 --> 00:40:15.325
that's a road course quality track for us. .
953
00:40:17.375 --> 00:40:19.245
Right? Probably better than most.
954
00:40:19.965 --> 00:40:21.725
I mean, definitely better than some.
955
00:40:21.915 --> 00:40:25.285
What are you, what are you doing? You absolute doorknob.
956
00:40:25.665 --> 00:40:27.845
Um, alright, so what, uh,
957
00:40:27.845 --> 00:40:30.605
what does your weekend look like, Alejandro? Well
958
00:40:30.875 --> 00:40:32.245
Obviously I'm heading to Charlotte.
959
00:40:32.505 --> 00:40:33.805
Mm-hmm . She's moved there. ,
960
00:40:35.065 --> 00:40:36.525
I'm, I'm amazed you don't have like,
961
00:40:36.525 --> 00:40:38.605
at least a two bedroom condo uptown. Yeah.
962
00:40:38.675 --> 00:40:41.085
Yeah. Um, and then it uh,
963
00:40:41.425 --> 00:40:44.685
is our good friend Connor Daley.
964
00:40:45.785 --> 00:40:47.525
And uh, I don't know if you've heard of him,
965
00:40:47.525 --> 00:40:51.925
James Hinchcliffe joint birthday party. Um, which,
966
00:40:51.925 --> 00:40:53.685
Which Tim is not coming to
Tim.
967
00:40:53.705 --> 00:40:54.805
It was un invited to. I was
968
00:40:54.805 --> 00:40:55.805
Invited.
969
00:40:55.805 --> 00:40:56.365
I just said you're not coming. I
970
00:40:56.365 --> 00:40:57.245
didn't say you weren't invited. I
971
00:40:57.245 --> 00:40:58.245
Know.
972
00:40:58.245 --> 00:40:58.765
Well, no, Alex said I wasn't invited.
973
00:40:59.225 --> 00:41:02.685
Oh. And so that, that's gonna be my weekend.
974
00:41:03.485 --> 00:41:05.565
I love that. I love that. I'm looking forward to it.
975
00:41:05.565 --> 00:41:08.405
We have quite a little night planned, few different stops.
976
00:41:08.825 --> 00:41:13.405
I'm excited. Um, should be fun man. Should be fun.
977
00:41:13.685 --> 00:41:16.765
'cause Connor's birthday is the 15th. 16th. 15th.
978
00:41:16.915 --> 00:41:19.365
Well, good. Um, that's, that's good.
979
00:41:19.365 --> 00:41:20.805
That is, that is a big part of the weekend.
980
00:41:21.025 --> 00:41:24.405
Uh, the rest of my week and weekend is done packing
981
00:41:24.405 --> 00:41:26.725
because, um, we're moving,
982
00:41:27.135 --> 00:41:29.565
which we'll talk about next week 'cause we're outta time.
983
00:41:29.905 --> 00:41:32.645
And, uh, then we'll cover Nashville and she'll be good.
984
00:41:33.145 --> 00:41:35.085
And Lord knows we have nothing to talk about next week.
985
00:41:35.185 --> 00:41:37.525
So, but we'll still have more F1 stuff to talk about
986
00:41:37.525 --> 00:41:39.005
before we have any more stuff to talk
987
00:41:39.005 --> 00:41:40.005
about.
,
988
00:41:46.815 --> 00:41:48.145
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989
00:41:48.145 --> 00:41:49.665
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990
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