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This is, is off track.
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All righty. Um, this is gonna be a tough week, uh,
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of podcasting for, for, for Your Boy.
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Um, I think it's
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Gonna be our best week yet. Let's,
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Let's see.
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So we didn't do a Tuesday episode, uh,
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because James thought that, you know, we're in March
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and he deserved a vacation already, .
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Um, so he, he flew to Japan with his wife, uh, whatever.
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Um, have one work. Well, I mean, not for like 10 days.
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Fair. Uh, so, um, we were not able to do a Tuesday episode
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because, uh, Japan
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or James was in Japan on his way to Japan,
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uh, Japan adjacent.
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And I was in the sim actually working on, uh, you know,
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improving my career and making my life better.
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So, uh, we weren't able to do a Tuesday episode.
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Tim didn't wanna just talk, uh, by himself,
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which I found incredibly surprising. Actually.
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Let's be very clear. I was more than willing to do that.
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I just think we, the amount of listeners we would've lost.
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You weren't willing at all. You didn't offer once to,
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to carry the, the weight of
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The ship didn't.
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I would be down, I think we would lose half our subscribers
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if there was a, a me only episode.
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Like, I don't know anything about race potentially.
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People were mad at how often I talk in episodes
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where you guys are there.
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That's honestly, so am I. Um, and then
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Cool.
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You got the rest of this. I'll sit out. Got,
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It's fine.
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I'll just talk to myself. And then we got Tim up in the wee
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hours of the morning on Wednesday
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to record your main episode.
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Everyone and James was kind enough
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to log on from his vacation.
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Uh, not that it's asking too much,
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considering I logged on from my honeymoon.
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Um, but, uh,
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but, uh, apparently, which I find this very hard
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to believe in Japan, the wifi isn't good or doesn't,
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Not a tech savvy nation Japan.
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Right, right. They're really
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behind the times. Yeah. Computer.
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Every time the video, you're
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like, man, I hope they catch up. You know, .
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Right, right, right.
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They seem to be really struggling over
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there with electronics.
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Um, so it's just gonna be old Timbo
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and I, uh, on today's episode, maybe James will pop in, um,
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if he, I don't know, maybe goes to Korea
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where the technology might be better.
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I don't know. Did you try the wifi that,
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that the toilet's on?
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Don't they have those smart toilets there? They sure do.
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Just gotta assume. Yeah, they sure
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Do.
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Yeah. So this is, there's, it's an amazing country.
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I'm honestly, I'm so happy for James.
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'cause like I don't think he's really ever been there other
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than passing through.
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And I know Becky's never been there
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and it's definitely one of my favorite places in the world.
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So I, I'm actually gonna plan and go at the end of the year.
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Um, so I am gonna refer to him for all
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of the notes and the things,
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The stuff I'll go with you to
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Do you wanna come with Kelly and I?
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You wanna be our our plus one? Yeah. Well, all right.
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I mean, hey listen, that is an option for you now, Tim, you,
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you could come to Japan with us anyways.
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Let's talk about, um, let's get straight into thermal
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because 'cause a lot happened a
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Lot. Okay. Yeah.
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A lot, a lot of, a lot
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of unfortunate things happened, right, Tim?
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So it seemed like from qualifying, I mean, one,
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it was awesome seeing you in the fast six.
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That was just, that was, it was good
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to see you back where you belonged.
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Um, and then it seemed, so I thought going in,
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you had like a P five P six car.
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I don't talk to you really on race weekends
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'cause I don't wanna bother you.
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And it's not like you would respond anyway. Correct? Yeah.
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So is that, is that how you felt? Did you have a car
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that was about there or did you feel like you
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Well, let's, I mean you jumped straight into qualifying.
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I don't think I, I think that's a little, your little part.
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I didn't watch any phrase for the horse here.
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Well, that's okay. So we're going into the weekend.
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I think everyone, um, was, tires have been a big topic
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of conversation, right?
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They've been a big topic of conversation since St. Pete.
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They've been a big topic since the hybrid.
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We've talked about it on the show.
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Um, and last year during the, the fake race,
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the fake money race mm-hmm .
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Um, I mean real money, but fake amount of money.
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Um, there was, if, if people remember in the,
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in the final there was two 10 lap segments, right?
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Where, you know, the, the top six from each heat, um,
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made it to the main event.
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And then the, the main event James is here. Oh my goodness.
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Hello James. It's so nice of you
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to take some time outta your vacation to join us. Um,
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You can just get right bent.
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Get right. What
Bent? I think he said bent. Yeah,
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Bent.
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Okay. Um, oh,
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Bow out.
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Huh?
. So it's still super delayed,
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so I don't know how this is gonna work.
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But anyways, what I was saying was the, the main event
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for the fake race last year was two 10 lap segments
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with a mandatory pit stop.
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So what you had some guys doing that were in the back
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was kind of go out
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and drive 20, 25 seconds slower than the leaders knowing
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that after 10 laps it was gonna reset.
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And in theory you would be starting the final part
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of the main event with much better tires
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than the guys in front of you.
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And you'd be able to drive through the case,
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your self, the case including
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In that
Strategy, right?
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Myself included. Yep. Me, me and Colton did that.
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And, and I think a couple others,
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but my point is, this was last year, um,
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in much cooler track temps on, um, the primary tire
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and the tire dag was already a big conversation.
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Mm-hmm . So going into the weekend, tire d was at the top
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of everyone's mind and sure enough, that is what we got.
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So, unlike St.
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Pete, as I explained in,
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in the show going into this weekend, um,
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the alternate tire was not actually softer.
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The alternate tire was the same prime as last year.
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The prime was the harder tire, which is where they created
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or tried to create the separation between the two compounds.
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So going into the weekend, everything was about tires.
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Before I continue, James, is there anything you would like
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to add about the preview of thermal going into the weekend?
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No, I think you handled it pretty well up
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to this point, so carry on.
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Okay. Okay. Okay.
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Um, so for us on the 20 car in practice, uh,
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unfortunately we had two hybrid failures.
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Um, one in each practice, which was very frustrating, uh,
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for obvious reasons.
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Um, very frustrating for the crew.
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They had to split the car three different times, um, to,
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to get hands on the MGU and, and the hybrid unit.
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Um, different failures each time.
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So for us, it's, it's a very frustrating little object
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that is in the car currently.
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Um, but to answer your question, Tim,
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I I did think that we had a good car.
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We were in the twenties every practice session,
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but a lot of that was due to the issues that we were having.
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Yeah. Um, so for us, we just needed a smooth session.
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And qualifying was the first time
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that we had a smooth session.
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Uh, I thought we were a yes, a fifth to ninth place car.
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Um, it was cool that we were able to get in the fast six.
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Ultimately the gap to, to the leaders, um, in
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that session was too big.
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Uh, and, and for us, you know, we, we really struggle with
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ultimately managing the tires throughout the lap.
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You know, it's very difficult. It's a long laps.
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The longest, not the longest,
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but it's one of the longest laps we go to an Indy car.
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So you are actually, the tire day was so bad that by the end
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of the lap you're actually having the tires
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start to to step down.
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So there were some things we needed to do
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to improve that going into the race.
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Um, but I think what was pretty cool was, um,
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we at ECR knew from the beginning
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that this was gonna be a red race.
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Like we were, we were convinced
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and everyone else was like on the complete other spectrum
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and it turned out to be a red race and all.
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I'm all I'm saying by bringing that up, it was,
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it's pretty cool that as a small team
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with the smaller amount of resources
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and knowing that we don't have the tire guys in England
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that McLaren has and all this sort of thing,
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like we were able to accurately kind of predict,
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you know, what the race was gonna be.
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So I think that was a, a nice little,
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little feather in our cab. Yes. James,
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The McLaren guys knew it was a red
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Race. Oh, did they?
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Well they started Lugar on used reds and same with Palo.
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Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. I'm talking about like Friday.
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I'm not saying, I'm not saying actor warmup on Sunday.
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Like we used an extra set of, we, we used an extra set
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of primes in practice
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'cause we knew it was gonna be a red
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race. Like it wasn't even a question
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For us.
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Oh, okay. And what, what gave you that confidence?
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Um, or is that like I can't
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Secret.
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Well, I can't, I can't tell you that. Yeah.
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I can't tell you that. . Yeah.
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Um, I had a question before we move on from qualifying
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because I was, I watched qualifying with some friends
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of mine and,
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and Alex I've seen you do this in the past
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where you will wait in the pit
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and go out at the last possible second.
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And I understand that that can be risky
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because you did that in the fast six, right?
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You went out and you just set one one lab at the end.
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I understand that can be risky
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because like if a red comes out it can throw off
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the timing or things like that.
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What is the the possible advantage
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of waiting like that? We knew
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It was a red race, so we didn't want to put You
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Didn't wanna use didn't two sets sets of use.
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Red didn't wanna wear on the tires. Yeah. Okay.
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Yeah, no, because I was just watching,
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I was like, I know there's a reason.
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'cause obviously they didn't just forget to go.
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I don't know what it is.
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And I like to sound smart when I talk to my friends.
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I'm not, but they know even less about racing than me.
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So like, I just, it's like,
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like teaching somebody piano when you're one
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lesson ahead on piano . Like,
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I just, I don't get that analogy. So no,
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You've never heard that . Um,
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So okay, I didn't watch qualifying
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but James, there was a lot of controversy, uh,
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about some penalties that did or did not happen.
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Oh, I thought there was controversy
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about pineapple on pizza. What
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Was, uh, what was your viewpoint on all of that? It's
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Actually interesting that you bring that up.
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So, um, there were a few instances of
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what could be perceived as interference,
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I assume this is what you're talking about.
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Yep. And ultimately there were no penalties issued.
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So I actually had a conversation with IndyCar about this
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and I was specifically asking about the
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Polo Patto one.
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Is that right? No, there was Patto Dixon,
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there was Patto Dixon and Polo someone else.
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I don't remember who. Okay.
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Polo someone else.
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Um, because to me the polo someone else won
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looked fairly egregious
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because obviously everybody was trying
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to go soul on the out lap
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because of all the tire day getting everything
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that we've kind of already touched on. Is it
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Christians?
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What's that?
Was it plo and one of the Christians?
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I'm trying to remember who it was. I
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Honestly don't remember. I honestly
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Don't.
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Yeah, I'm sorry. That's, I shouldn't
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have cut you off. That's not important.
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No, that's right. It looked
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to me like Palolo had someone in front of him as well,
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but it's still kind of on the car going slow
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to get outta the way of the car at a lap.
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Again, highlights the, the risks you take in kind
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of being outta sequence a little bit.
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'cause again, whoever it was, I'm really,
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I'm kicking myself, I don't remember who it was.
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Um, but it doesn't matter. So when I asked Indy car about
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it, Indy car sort of acknowledged that they
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caught polo at a bad time and it was probably impeding,
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but it, it ended up becoming what IndyCar deemed a
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non meaningful lap.
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How is that theirs to decide?
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So, okay, so I had the same question
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and I was like, well that's, you know,
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what if a red comes out
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and then everybody's lap is just their first lapse
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or whatever, fine.
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His point was IndyCar's stance was
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because both drivers, okay, so as it happened,
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they're like, look, we like to give it a second
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and let the whole session play out so that they have time
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to really see the whole situation in totality
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and give themselves ample time to make an educated decision,
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which I respect.
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So his point was, at the end of the session,
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both of the drivers ended up in the fast six,
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they ended up advancing.
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So what is the point
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of penalizing someone on
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what ended up being a non meaningful lap for the driver
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that was impeded, had that driver not made it in,
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they would've looked at it differently,
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potentially had a bunch
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Of other scenarios played out.
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But this is still, but this is still the same situation
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that we've talked about before in terms of like, okay, race
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to race contact, you're gonna get a penalty if the other
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guy's day is ended, meaning he can't continue.
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Just what, what is it the needle responsibility if you,
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if you just dump him from fourth to 20th,
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but he's still able to continue,
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there's not gonna be a penalty.
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So it's like it, the rule isn't gray,
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the rule is black and white.
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So why is there, why is there some judgment calls involved?
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I have the same argument and mm-hmm .
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The response was, Andy Carr's position is they want to be
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involved in making the story about them
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and penalties as little as possible.
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So where I see the, I see the concept
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and I respect that they're trying to
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be involved in the outcome of a session
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or a race as little as possible.
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And I'm all for that.
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Wh where I struggle is just that it does leave it kind
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of gray and it's, it's tough to know if
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and when a penalty is coming.
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So again, I see their point.
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Both guys made it in so it didn't matter. Yeah.
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If one guy hadn't made it in, then yeah.
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Maybe, you know, fair. So I, I kind of get it.
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'cause because ultimately you would've just ruined Belows
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day without it having,
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Probably not. He's still would've won.
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Although he still would've Yeah. Still
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would've won by fight.
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He only would've won by eight seconds
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instead of, you know, right. 15 or whatever.
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So, okay. That's that's fair. I that's fine.
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Like whatever, we don't really need
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to get into the nitty gritty of it
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because you're right, both cars made it in.
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So while it may have been a difficult situation
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for whoever was involved with Polo, it didn't really matter.
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However, there was a penalty that was issued this weekend.
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Um, and I would like to discuss it
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because listen, it,
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despite maybe our TV rating would've been even
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worse had this not happened.
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But we had a fight, we almost had a fight.
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We almost had a, we almost had a big argument
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or we had a big argument.
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It almost came to physical contact.
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I'm stunned that it didn't.
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Um, between our, our guy Scotty Mack
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and uh, also our guy Devlin d Francesco. So are we
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James, are we glossing over Pineapple on Pizza
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and Gilmore Girls and Jennifer Lawrence Pineapple,
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Pineapple and Pizza's fire.
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And you guys have known this. I grew up in California.
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Hawaiian pizza is phenomenal. Anyways.
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I don't think I ever knew this from Canada, but, okay.
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No, but I'm not saying it's from California,
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but like, it's a very west coast thing. Okay. So I just
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Feel like we've had a lot of pizzas together.
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Never once have you been like trying to sneak pine.
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'cause I know you heed it and I'm not, I'm not like a guy
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that like, oh, I have to have it
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to prove a point. Like, I mean,
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sometimes you are that guy, but
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You're very much that guy.
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Yeah. , I guess. Shut up.
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Let's talk about this incident we watch today night
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because I, I promise you I didn't choose Top Gun Devlin,
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Scotty.
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Oh my God, yes. Oh yeah.
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This is what we talked about at
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the beginning of the episode.
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Stop talking. People want
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To hear about
Devlin and Scotty. So
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Based on Twitter, a lot of people want
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to hear about pineapple on Pizza.
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Oh my God. That's all I'm saying. .
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Alright, fine. Evelyn and Scotty.
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Okay, so I, I saw the end result
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before I saw the incident
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and I just thought the end result was hilarious.
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I just thought that was, that was just the epitome
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of both of their personalities.
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Not in a good way or a bad way that it's, they,
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they just, that was them.
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That was them raw. I loved every second of it.
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I, as much as I was surprised that there was no like,
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pushing or shoving, I was super proud
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and impressed by both of them that there wasn't.
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And so it was like a very respectful, kind
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of heated argument that I'm just
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so happy was captured on television.
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So, um, what, what happened was, uh,
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I'll tell you at the back of the pack,
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which unfortunately I'd been a few times, uh, it,
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it's very difficult to get formed up.
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Um, you know, we've done a lot of work with IndyCar
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because, uh, in the past, you know, you'd only have four
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or five rows formed up and then the green flag would go.
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So IndyCar's done a lot to try
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and slow the safety car down earlier
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and order to slow the leader down so
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that all the whole field can bunch up
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and get into, you know, whatever it is, 13 rows of two
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and um, you know, have a nice
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but packed up, bunched up start for the fans, for the tv,
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for all the competitors, everyone.
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And that's the fair thing to do. So
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they've done a really good job of that.
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But it's still, it's still difficult for the last four
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or five cars to really get to the back of the line,
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get paired up before the leaders are going.
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Right. And you obviously want to be in that position
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because you want to have the best opportunity to be close
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to the cars in front of you to,
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to have an opportunity to go forward.
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So what Scott was doing was he was trying his best
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to like get up to the back of the pack.
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'cause you can't obviously just go full throttle into the
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back of them because there's a, there's a yo-yo effect
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and you gotta kind of time it
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and it, it is harder than you would think.
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And at the same time you're trying
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to put temp in your tires into your brakes.
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You're trying not to drive offline.
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And so I think as much as this was Devlin's fault,
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I do think Scott was a little bit responsible
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because honestly, I don't think he's really
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started at the back very much.
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And so I think he may have had just a small lapse in the
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fact that you're so focused on getting to the back.
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You're so focused on keeping your tires clean.
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You're so focused on getting a run into turn one
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that he probably forgot that like
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Devlin should have been right there
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or would've been right there.
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Or maybe he's so used to already being formed up
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that like he can see the car to his inside.
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And in this instance, Devlin wasn't quite there yet
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'cause Devlin was trying to do the same thing.
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And Devlin is frantic.
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Like he, he's frantic outta
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the car, he is frantic in the car.
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So he was probably stressed
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that he wasn't gonna get there in time.
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So kind of maybe fired it into
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turn 15 a little bit too quick.
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And Scott wasn't really giving him room and they touched,
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and Devlin got a drive through.
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So I thought it was 80% devlin's fault,
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20% Scott's fault.
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I'd be interested to know what you think of it, James.
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And if you love the fight as much as I did,
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Um, I'll be honest, I, I didn't look back at the incident
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since the race and
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because it was the start of the race, we kind
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of like showed it once from, we only really caught it.
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I, I wanna say I've only seen it from Scott's onboard.
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Um, so have I, so have I.
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Okay, so yeah, I, I, and I know we replayed it,
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but also just the race was going on so we didn't, you know,
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focus on last and second, last place too, too much. Why did
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Something go on with the broadcast that distracted you?
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Not at that point, um, too soon.
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Uh, but yes, no, I, I I, I think fundamentally from
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what I remember seeing, yes, I would also put more of the,
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more of the blame on Dev.
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Um, and I found the fight afterwards kind of hilarious.
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It was one of those things too, right?
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Where like Scott's Day went from bad to worse
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'cause his hybrid ended up having issues,
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um, joined the club.
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And so he was just,
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Yeah, I have no sympathy. Was
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Just, yeah, take a number and get in line.
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So that was probably part of it.
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But like the whole, I'll show you, the video goes, okay,
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show me the video and then
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it's, well, I'm gonna go find the video.
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And then they just kind of walked off
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and it was just sort of like,
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it was a lot, it was a lot of that.
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Like, well, I'm gonna read your phone. Okay, read my phone.
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Well, I'm not, now I'm not, I don't wanna read it.
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You know, it's It was just like a weird like,
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like relationship argument I felt.
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Um, but look, I love seeing the passion.
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I love seeing the passion. That's
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what this sport's all about and needs more of.
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So I'm, uh, I'm not against it at all.
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Um, all right.
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So that was, that was a, that was a big topic.
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Obviously tires were a big topic.
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Um, it, it, we all could have predicted the fact
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that a tire dead race was gonna go to Polo.
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Like that's not even, like,
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I don't even think anyone would've ever questioned that.
506
00:20:52.625 --> 00:20:57.445
Um, obviously great job by Patto and McLaren
507
00:20:57.445 --> 00:21:00.965
because quite frankly that isn't usually their strong suit.
508
00:21:01.105 --> 00:21:03.045
And they were by far the second best car.
509
00:21:03.745 --> 00:21:07.485
Um, there was, I was gonna say all green race, yes.
510
00:21:07.655 --> 00:21:10.245
There. I, yes, before the race you'd put money on Pelle
511
00:21:10.325 --> 00:21:11.445
'cause it's a tire race, right?
512
00:21:11.585 --> 00:21:12.645
And he was starting third for sure.
513
00:21:13.065 --> 00:21:14.965
And, and, and again, a team
514
00:21:15.225 --> 00:21:16.885
and drivers that maybe don't have
515
00:21:16.885 --> 00:21:18.645
that reputation were ahead of him.
516
00:21:18.645 --> 00:21:19.725
So you're like, yeah, first for sure.
517
00:21:20.225 --> 00:21:24.845
But when he came out of the last stop, 12 seconds
518
00:21:25.025 --> 00:21:28.045
behind the leader, I was like, ah,
519
00:21:29.295 --> 00:21:30.845
maybe not, maybe not.
520
00:21:31.135 --> 00:21:34.325
Maybe he's gonna come up a little short. Oh boy.
521
00:21:34.325 --> 00:21:37.765
Did he not come up short? Did he come up so long? So long.
522
00:21:38.895 --> 00:21:39.965
Crazy.
One of the longest.
523
00:21:40.485 --> 00:21:43.885
Arguably, arguably longer than average phrasing.
524
00:21:43.995 --> 00:21:45.885
Yeah, that guy's, what's that
525
00:21:46.885 --> 00:21:47.885
Phrasing?
526
00:21:47.885 --> 00:21:50.605
Are we No, nope. No. He, he, he, he came out long.
527
00:21:51.395 --> 00:21:52.965
Okay. Yeah. Real long. Yeah.
528
00:21:53.025 --> 00:21:54.645
He came, he came out the pit heart,
529
00:21:54.645 --> 00:21:56.165
What was the girth
Situation and ended up long.
530
00:21:57.025 --> 00:21:58.845
Mm-hmm . That's awesome. Gross
531
00:21:58.845 --> 00:21:59.845
What
You said.
532
00:22:00.515 --> 00:22:04.525
It's pretty cool to, to, you know,
533
00:22:05.075 --> 00:22:06.725
come out hard and then still belong.
534
00:22:07.545 --> 00:22:11.445
But here's the thing. So , Here's the thing.
535
00:22:11.875 --> 00:22:16.405
Christian did a really good job of, of keeping him behind,
536
00:22:16.675 --> 00:22:18.125
keeping polo behind him.
537
00:22:18.505 --> 00:22:21.285
He had a lot of pace in hand. He had a lot of pace in hand.
538
00:22:21.745 --> 00:22:24.125
And had he gotten around Christian, he would've closed
539
00:22:24.125 --> 00:22:25.405
that gap up, whatever, but he didn't.
540
00:22:25.405 --> 00:22:27.325
So he pit and it was like 12 seconds or whatever.
541
00:22:27.665 --> 00:22:30.125
And then, so like, let's, let's like add a couple seconds.
542
00:22:30.185 --> 00:22:31.805
He could have had there, he closed up
543
00:22:31.805 --> 00:22:33.525
that 12 seconds past Patto
544
00:22:33.625 --> 00:22:36.365
and then ended what, eight to 10 seconds ahead of him.
545
00:22:36.985 --> 00:22:40.445
And the last four laps, he was just cruising behind Nolan.
546
00:22:40.445 --> 00:22:41.725
Like he didn't even try to pass.
547
00:22:41.725 --> 00:22:42.925
It was like three cars all racing
548
00:22:42.985 --> 00:22:44.405
for position at the end of the lead lap.
549
00:22:44.745 --> 00:22:46.965
He didn't even bother pushing the the matter
550
00:22:46.965 --> 00:22:48.725
because he was eight to 10 seconds ahead.
551
00:22:49.025 --> 00:22:52.165
It was the teammate car of the car that he was racing.
552
00:22:52.345 --> 00:22:53.525
Not saying anything would've happened,
553
00:22:53.865 --> 00:22:55.485
but that's just one extra layer of wrist
554
00:22:55.485 --> 00:22:56.885
that's not necessary to take.
555
00:22:57.105 --> 00:22:59.445
And those guys were running paddle's pace anyway,
556
00:22:59.505 --> 00:23:01.205
so it's not even like Paddle was closing in.
557
00:23:01.345 --> 00:23:03.205
So like he could have conceivably won
558
00:23:03.205 --> 00:23:04.445
that race by 30 seconds.
559
00:23:04.665 --> 00:23:06.645
Do you know that there was think slightly a period of time
560
00:23:06.905 --> 00:23:08.525
before he got to Nolan?
561
00:23:09.015 --> 00:23:11.285
There was a period of time where he was
562
00:23:12.255 --> 00:23:15.445
3.5 seconds quicker than anyone.
563
00:23:16.165 --> 00:23:18.365
I just, did anybody else have new
564
00:23:18.375 --> 00:23:19.725
sauce in that last stint?
565
00:23:19.985 --> 00:23:22.845
Uh, power
And Power also drove through the field
566
00:23:22.985 --> 00:23:24.525
and ended up what piece? Six
567
00:23:24.785 --> 00:23:25.785
At the end.
568
00:23:25.785 --> 00:23:26.565
Well I will, I I will, I will say,
569
00:23:26.665 --> 00:23:29.645
and I'm not taking, I don't like he was phenomenal.
570
00:23:29.945 --> 00:23:32.005
I'm not taking anything away from what Will did.
571
00:23:32.335 --> 00:23:34.845
There was a huge advantage to the guys
572
00:23:34.845 --> 00:23:36.845
that did not make it into round two.
573
00:23:37.275 --> 00:23:39.725
Like a massive base advantage. Exactly.
574
00:23:40.265 --> 00:23:42.925
But, but there was, I mean, shoot,
575
00:23:43.065 --> 00:23:44.725
Joseph didn't make it into round two.
576
00:23:45.295 --> 00:23:47.325
There was a lot of, there was a lot of good cars
577
00:23:47.395 --> 00:23:48.845
that didn't make it into round two
578
00:23:48.985 --> 00:23:51.005
and Will was the only one that really did anything with it.
579
00:23:51.025 --> 00:23:52.845
So I'm not taking anything away from him.
580
00:23:52.945 --> 00:23:54.565
But yes, will, will
581
00:23:54.585 --> 00:23:57.645
and Palolo in the last stint had a massive upper hand on
582
00:23:57.645 --> 00:24:00.535
pretty much everyone in the top 12
583
00:24:01.085 --> 00:24:04.095
because they were on the only guys on Newsoft.
584
00:24:04.095 --> 00:24:05.695
So like credit to 'em.
585
00:24:05.755 --> 00:24:09.695
Um, but still like at that, at some point Paolo had
586
00:24:09.695 --> 00:24:11.415
to run used Reds, uh,
587
00:24:11.555 --> 00:24:13.495
and he still made those work just fine.
588
00:24:13.555 --> 00:24:16.055
So it's not, it's not that he had some tire advantage
589
00:24:16.375 --> 00:24:18.535
'cause he had some failure or whatever
590
00:24:18.535 --> 00:24:19.775
and just had more tires than everyone else.
591
00:24:19.775 --> 00:24:21.375
Like he did the same strategies everyone else
592
00:24:21.635 --> 00:24:24.095
and just still curb stomped all of us.
593
00:24:24.105 --> 00:24:26.375
Which I was, I I talked to Colton, I talked
594
00:24:26.375 --> 00:24:28.455
to Colton afterwards and I was like, man,
595
00:24:32.655 --> 00:24:34.715
It, it's a tough look for all of us.
596
00:24:34.825 --> 00:24:38.195
Like I'm not, I'm I I, you can't,
597
00:24:38.735 --> 00:24:42.155
you can't sugarcoat this anyway other than he is
598
00:24:43.475 --> 00:24:46.685
just mopping the floor with 26 other drivers
599
00:24:47.795 --> 00:24:50.695
and engineers and, and everyone,
600
00:24:51.045 --> 00:24:55.935
Everybody outside of the top seven in points is already
601
00:24:56.615 --> 00:25:00.655
a full max point race weekends
602
00:25:01.455 --> 00:25:04.695
tally behind him in the championship after.
603
00:25:04.715 --> 00:25:06.895
Do you know, after two races,
604
00:25:07.275 --> 00:25:10.495
Do you know that there's only one driver
605
00:25:10.925 --> 00:25:13.615
that is finished in the top five, both races
606
00:25:14.075 --> 00:25:16.295
and he happens to have won both of them? Well
607
00:25:16.295 --> 00:25:17.295
That explains part.
608
00:25:17.295 --> 00:25:18.455
I mean, 'cause I remember seeing that
609
00:25:18.655 --> 00:25:22.495
and being like, like eighth place is 54 points behind Polo.
610
00:25:22.555 --> 00:25:25.215
You get 54 points for a perfect weekend
611
00:25:25.995 --> 00:25:27.815
and he would win on a tie break.
612
00:25:27.875 --> 00:25:32.775
So seventh Place is still within a full perfect race
613
00:25:32.775 --> 00:25:35.855
week providing, sorry, providing Polo doesn't start around
614
00:25:36.085 --> 00:25:38.295
because by starting he gets like a
615
00:25:38.295 --> 00:25:39.495
handful of points. So it's really
616
00:25:40.115 --> 00:25:41.115
Points.
617
00:25:41.115 --> 00:25:43.775
Listen no, it's, it's, dude, we're fine.
618
00:25:43.975 --> 00:25:46.015
'cause he's known to like just throw stuff away.
619
00:25:46.685 --> 00:25:49.255
Yeah, no, he is definitely known as like a peak early
620
00:25:49.275 --> 00:25:50.335
and then taper off kinda
621
00:25:50.435 --> 00:25:51.435
Guy, right?
622
00:25:51.435 --> 00:25:52.335
Like, and he's definitely not a guy
623
00:25:52.335 --> 00:25:53.695
that like can maximize stuff.
624
00:25:53.695 --> 00:25:56.415
Like when he has a broken front wing and when you hear
625
00:25:56.585 --> 00:25:59.735
Below you don't think consistency, you know,
626
00:25:59.765 --> 00:26:00.815
that doesn't jump to mind.
627
00:26:01.005 --> 00:26:02.005
Yeah, no
628
00:26:04.205 --> 00:26:06.815
Mind worst finish Right now his worst finish on
629
00:26:06.815 --> 00:26:07.855
the year is first.
630
00:26:08.435 --> 00:26:09.435
So there's that .
631
00:26:13.605 --> 00:26:14.605
Yeah.
But, um,
632
00:26:14.875 --> 00:26:17.215
At, at least he was fighting a fever this weekend.
633
00:26:18.115 --> 00:26:20.055
Was he? Actually, I didn't even know that because
634
00:26:20.055 --> 00:26:22.015
I'm not gonna lie, he was, he was sick as a dog.
635
00:26:22.235 --> 00:26:24.095
Was it? IIII think I know the answer to this,
636
00:26:24.115 --> 00:26:26.455
but was it like, not that, I know it was very hot,
637
00:26:26.555 --> 00:26:27.775
but was it not that physical?
638
00:26:27.935 --> 00:26:29.855
'cause you were driving around 14 seconds off the pace.
639
00:26:29.995 --> 00:26:31.375
Oh my God, it was the easiest,
640
00:26:31.935 --> 00:26:34.935
I think it was the easiest race that I've done in IndyCar,
641
00:26:35.115 --> 00:26:36.415
no, uh, sorry, road
642
00:26:36.415 --> 00:26:38.815
and street course race that I've done in IndyCar
643
00:26:39.085 --> 00:26:40.095
just because you're so,
644
00:26:40.675 --> 00:26:42.415
You're four to five seconds off the pace.
645
00:26:42.635 --> 00:26:44.045
And we've, we've talked about on the show,
646
00:26:44.045 --> 00:26:46.805
like the physical effort that's required to get
647
00:26:46.805 --> 00:26:50.205
that extra half second of lap time, like is massive,
648
00:26:51.025 --> 00:26:54.325
the physical effort to drive within a second of, you know,
649
00:26:54.345 --> 00:26:57.925
the peak lap time still pretty high, but when you get to two
650
00:26:58.065 --> 00:26:59.205
and a half to five
651
00:26:59.225 --> 00:27:01.845
and a half seconds off the ultimate pace of the car,
652
00:27:02.025 --> 00:27:05.165
it is not, it is not physically a challenge.
653
00:27:05.315 --> 00:27:07.365
Like it's, it's mentally taxing
654
00:27:07.365 --> 00:27:10.445
because you're, you're so careful with your inputs
655
00:27:10.585 --> 00:27:14.285
and your right foot and you're just staring at tire temps
656
00:27:14.385 --> 00:27:17.245
and you're trying to manage the tools to like, you know,
657
00:27:17.795 --> 00:27:20.645
move the, the temperature bias forward and rear words.
658
00:27:20.665 --> 00:27:21.885
And you're trying to like, okay,
659
00:27:22.185 --> 00:27:24.565
if the left rears really hot, you know, I'm gonna try
660
00:27:24.565 --> 00:27:27.925
and balance it out by going faster in left hand corners than
661
00:27:27.925 --> 00:27:29.005
right hand corners and that sort
662
00:27:29.005 --> 00:27:30.485
of thing you're thinking about and such.
663
00:27:30.505 --> 00:27:32.845
But you're not, you're not physically working hard,
664
00:27:32.845 --> 00:27:34.285
you're kind of just cruising around.
665
00:27:34.585 --> 00:27:38.765
Um, which honestly is prob, I mean, it's probably a blessing
666
00:27:38.765 --> 00:27:42.485
because that place, if the tires didn't dig
667
00:27:42.705 --> 00:27:46.085
and it was 90 degrees, like that would've been immediately
668
00:27:46.105 --> 00:27:48.725
to the top of the list of the most physical places we go.
669
00:27:49.305 --> 00:27:52.245
Um, because it is, there is a lot of corners.
670
00:27:52.245 --> 00:27:55.485
There is some very high speed, high load sections, um,
671
00:27:56.155 --> 00:27:58.845
like in qualifying it's, it's, it's, it's hard work.
672
00:27:58.865 --> 00:28:01.525
So I I think that I, I'm not complaining
673
00:28:01.555 --> 00:28:02.725
that it wasn't hard,
674
00:28:02.825 --> 00:28:06.085
but I think it was a little bit like it wasn't an,
675
00:28:06.105 --> 00:28:07.125
an enjoyable race.
676
00:28:07.465 --> 00:28:09.445
Um, which is unfortunate to say
677
00:28:09.445 --> 00:28:12.125
because I feel like obviously the audience thought the same
678
00:28:12.125 --> 00:28:14.685
thing, which I don't think is necessarily fair.
679
00:28:15.025 --> 00:28:17.005
And I, and I want to talk about that for a second
680
00:28:17.005 --> 00:28:19.245
because I, we had a last 10
681
00:28:19.315 --> 00:28:20.405
Laps pass for the win.
682
00:28:20.645 --> 00:28:22.485
I don't think it was a bad race to watch.
683
00:28:23.245 --> 00:28:24.965
I don't think it was a bad race to watch at all.
684
00:28:25.325 --> 00:28:26.965
I think there was a lot of elements,
685
00:28:26.965 --> 00:28:28.005
parts I was entertained by.
686
00:28:29.445 --> 00:28:32.685
I think there was a lot of elements, um, of the race that,
687
00:28:32.875 --> 00:28:34.245
that were interesting.
688
00:28:34.505 --> 00:28:36.165
Um, obviously as you said, there was,
689
00:28:36.165 --> 00:28:37.405
there was a battle for the win.
690
00:28:37.615 --> 00:28:39.205
There was a great battle with Christian
691
00:28:39.205 --> 00:28:40.245
and Pallo, there was a lot
692
00:28:40.245 --> 00:28:41.565
of stuff happening in the midfield.
693
00:28:41.685 --> 00:28:43.525
I mean, power drove from 21st to sixth.
694
00:28:43.525 --> 00:28:44.525
Like there was a lot of things
695
00:28:44.525 --> 00:28:47.925
that happened despite it being a caution free race.
696
00:28:48.005 --> 00:28:50.525
I think it was an okay race. I think what really hurt,
697
00:28:51.465 --> 00:28:55.005
and I don't want to talk about the scheduling conflicts
698
00:28:55.005 --> 00:28:57.285
and the NASCAR head to head and all of this stuff,
699
00:28:57.285 --> 00:29:00.245
because ultimately that's completely out of our control.
700
00:29:00.265 --> 00:29:01.445
That's the network's decision.
701
00:29:01.445 --> 00:29:03.285
There's always gonna be something else on TV
702
00:29:03.795 --> 00:29:04.885
that doesn't matter.
703
00:29:05.315 --> 00:29:09.885
What is sad, and I don't know if we should have
704
00:29:09.885 --> 00:29:11.965
predicted this or could have predicted this
705
00:29:12.105 --> 00:29:13.285
or would've predicted this,
706
00:29:14.025 --> 00:29:15.445
but the fact
707
00:29:16.435 --> 00:29:19.365
that thermal has such this negative connotation in
708
00:29:19.565 --> 00:29:22.045
everyone's mind is ultimately, in my opinion,
709
00:29:22.195 --> 00:29:23.885
what killed the event on tv.
710
00:29:24.585 --> 00:29:28.645
And I really struggle to understand why I, I I I understand
711
00:29:28.645 --> 00:29:30.645
that this isn't, this isn't like the
712
00:29:30.835 --> 00:29:32.125
epitome of IndyCar racing.
713
00:29:32.125 --> 00:29:33.805
There's no history of the track.
714
00:29:33.835 --> 00:29:38.325
There's, there's not the the same feel no.
715
00:29:38.355 --> 00:29:40.725
That a Long Beach would have. It's yes, it's
716
00:29:40.725 --> 00:29:41.725
This feeling.
717
00:29:41.725 --> 00:29:44.685
It's this, it's this perception that it's the, the, the race
718
00:29:44.705 --> 00:29:47.285
that's priced out of the market for real,
719
00:29:47.425 --> 00:29:49.125
for quote unquote real race fans.
720
00:29:49.265 --> 00:29:52.125
And my, I just, I just don't buy that as an argument
721
00:29:52.125 --> 00:29:54.365
because like, I, I can't afford to go
722
00:29:54.365 --> 00:29:55.925
to Monaco for the Grand Prix.
723
00:29:56.235 --> 00:29:58.845
Like that's still a sold out race every year.
724
00:29:58.845 --> 00:30:00.605
People still tune into watching. That's a,
725
00:30:00.675 --> 00:30:03.525
Most
Races are insanely, like, don't,
726
00:30:03.525 --> 00:30:04.965
that's not an excuse, right?
727
00:30:04.995 --> 00:30:06.365
Like, I get that some people,
728
00:30:06.365 --> 00:30:09.005
But that seems to be the s sentiment online. A hundred
729
00:30:09.005 --> 00:30:10.005
Percent.
730
00:30:10.005 --> 00:30:12.405
I No, I agree, but I I don't know why I don't know
731
00:30:12.415 --> 00:30:15.845
where people get off using that as an excuse to not, if
732
00:30:15.845 --> 00:30:19.365
that, if anybody didn't watch the race on tv
733
00:30:19.915 --> 00:30:22.005
because the perception is it's a,
734
00:30:22.035 --> 00:30:25.485
it's a rich person's playground and I'm not welcome there
735
00:30:25.485 --> 00:30:26.685
or I can't go there or whatever.
736
00:30:26.955 --> 00:30:28.205
Dude, again,
737
00:30:28.425 --> 00:30:30.325
and I got in trouble for saying this about the whole
738
00:30:30.325 --> 00:30:32.125
Arlington Texas Motor Speedway thing.
739
00:30:32.705 --> 00:30:34.005
You are not the fan that we need.
740
00:30:34.405 --> 00:30:35.605
'cause if you're not gonna support the
741
00:30:35.745 --> 00:30:37.685
Reason
Watching Devil matter where we're racing,
742
00:30:37.915 --> 00:30:39.205
like please, please,
743
00:30:39.205 --> 00:30:41.485
because I'm struggling to see how that helps.
744
00:30:41.905 --> 00:30:44.645
So the, the one, the one count, and I'm gonna say I agree
745
00:30:44.745 --> 00:30:46.045
and I was entertained by the race,
746
00:30:46.345 --> 00:30:48.965
but the one counter I'll give is last year, if you watched
747
00:30:48.995 --> 00:30:50.205
that where you
748
00:30:50.205 --> 00:30:52.365
and Colton were 20 seconds off the pace
749
00:30:52.505 --> 00:30:53.525
to, to stay for that.
750
00:30:53.525 --> 00:30:55.685
And I understand last year wasn't a points race.
751
00:30:56.065 --> 00:30:59.905
It didn't really seem like a, it it seemed kind
752
00:30:59.905 --> 00:31:02.305
of like a joke last year with that whole thing with the,
753
00:31:02.305 --> 00:31:04.105
with the for sure the caution in the middle of it.
754
00:31:04.185 --> 00:31:05.545
I didn't see anybody online.
So if you're coming off of
755
00:31:05.545 --> 00:31:06.545
Comment on last year,
756
00:31:07.145 --> 00:31:08.465
I know, but if you're coming off of that
757
00:31:08.485 --> 00:31:09.745
as your last experience with it,
758
00:31:09.865 --> 00:31:12.465
I can understand why maybe you don't have that. Listen,
759
00:31:12.725 --> 00:31:14.145
Listen,
I don't agree with that.
760
00:31:14.265 --> 00:31:16.225
I watched it and I thought it was entertaining race. Uh,
761
00:31:16.645 --> 00:31:18.625
People, people that are fans of this sport,
762
00:31:18.625 --> 00:31:19.705
people that watch St.
763
00:31:19.705 --> 00:31:20.945
Pete people, everyone knows
764
00:31:20.945 --> 00:31:22.305
that thermal was gonna be a real race.
765
00:31:22.335 --> 00:31:25.225
Like, it, it, it's not, that's not a, that's not a reason.
766
00:31:25.945 --> 00:31:30.105
I also think, and it has to change. It has to change.
767
00:31:30.805 --> 00:31:35.205
And whoever is in charge of this needs to, I don't care
768
00:31:35.235 --> 00:31:36.805
what the roadblocks are, fix it.
769
00:31:36.905 --> 00:31:38.245
The three week gap is insane.
770
00:31:38.275 --> 00:31:40.685
Like, it's just, it's just insane.
771
00:31:40.785 --> 00:31:42.085
We have so much investment
772
00:31:42.705 --> 00:31:45.205
and so much momentum coming off the Super
773
00:31:45.205 --> 00:31:46.405
Bowl, going into St.
774
00:31:46.405 --> 00:31:50.245
Pete record TV numbers, fricking, everything's good,
775
00:31:50.325 --> 00:31:53.045
everything's badass, and then we disappear.
776
00:31:53.645 --> 00:31:57.405
I don't care why you don't think you can do
777
00:31:57.405 --> 00:31:58.885
it, can do it.
778
00:32:00.045 --> 00:32:02.145
Put another race in end of discussion. Yeah.
779
00:32:02.205 --> 00:32:04.865
So obviously there was, uh, one other big story coming out
780
00:32:04.865 --> 00:32:08.425
of thermal and that was the, the, the hiccup
781
00:32:08.425 --> 00:32:09.905
with the Fox broadcast.
782
00:32:10.605 --> 00:32:13.105
And I don't know who's, I don't know who, uh,
783
00:32:13.105 --> 00:32:14.145
well there was also the,
784
00:32:14.165 --> 00:32:16.185
the other story was your Christopher Walken impression.
785
00:32:16.725 --> 00:32:18.645
Um, well, so what
786
00:32:18.845 --> 00:32:21.565
Happened, thank god you didn't say anything worse. I
787
00:32:21.565 --> 00:32:24.045
Know I was thinking about how bad that could have been
788
00:32:24.045 --> 00:32:26.165
with what I've cut out of this show. Okay,
789
00:32:26.385 --> 00:32:27.605
So let me tell you the story.
790
00:32:28.545 --> 00:32:33.245
Let me tell you the story. So we're talking, calling a race,
791
00:32:33.835 --> 00:32:35.085
talking about something.
792
00:32:35.465 --> 00:32:38.925
All of a sudden every screen in the booth goes black.
793
00:32:39.625 --> 00:32:40.645
I'm like, huh?
794
00:32:41.625 --> 00:32:43.685
Now were like, the lights still on in
795
00:32:43.685 --> 00:32:45.125
The, in the, the lights were still on
796
00:32:45.305 --> 00:32:47.685
and like the no signal thing was coming
797
00:32:47.685 --> 00:32:48.805
across the screen. So I'm
798
00:32:48.805 --> 00:32:49.725
Like, oh boy. Huh.
799
00:32:50.305 --> 00:32:52.045
And but it was one of those moments where like,
800
00:32:52.045 --> 00:32:53.085
and like town even looked at me,
801
00:32:53.085 --> 00:32:55.005
he was like 14 years of broadcasting.
802
00:32:55.075 --> 00:32:56.245
I've never had this.
803
00:32:56.665 --> 00:32:59.325
And we're like, I don't know who to look.
804
00:32:59.405 --> 00:33:02.445
I don't know who to look at. I don't know what to do.
805
00:33:02.605 --> 00:33:04.365
I don't know what the hierarchy is here.
806
00:33:04.565 --> 00:33:06.045
I don't know what the protocol is for this.
807
00:33:06.045 --> 00:33:08.285
You're just, so we're just, yeah, I don't know what to do
808
00:33:08.285 --> 00:33:10.965
with my hands because like obviously we're
809
00:33:10.965 --> 00:33:12.085
not the technical people.
810
00:33:12.095 --> 00:33:14.165
We're not gonna be able to necessarily fix it.
811
00:33:14.225 --> 00:33:16.405
But if there's also anything that we can do to help,
812
00:33:16.545 --> 00:33:17.765
we would like to be able to at least
813
00:33:17.765 --> 00:33:18.765
That.
814
00:33:18.765 --> 00:33:19.805
Did you try turning it off and turning it back on
815
00:33:19.805 --> 00:33:20.805
Again?
816
00:33:20.805 --> 00:33:22.565
I mean, for all intents and purposes that's what we did
817
00:33:22.705 --> 00:33:24.725
as a, as a group, as a collective.
818
00:33:25.025 --> 00:33:28.045
And so, yeah, one of the, one of the breakers went on one
819
00:33:28.045 --> 00:33:31.925
of the trucks, which, you know, the, I haven't,
820
00:33:31.965 --> 00:33:34.005
I haven't heard like the postmortem on it.
821
00:33:34.005 --> 00:33:37.245
The, the running theory was that because it was so hot
822
00:33:37.705 --> 00:33:38.925
and those trucks wasn't
823
00:33:38.925 --> 00:33:40.765
That hot
Equipment dude in the sun.
824
00:33:41.145 --> 00:33:44.245
It it is. And like those, those trucks operate like
825
00:33:44.485 --> 00:33:45.805
I was in the sun breaking
Out heat.
826
00:33:45.985 --> 00:33:49.325
You had some airflow when you're just stationary on
827
00:33:49.595 --> 00:33:51.045
asphalt and, you know.
828
00:33:51.045 --> 00:33:53.205
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And again, these trucks have a lot
829
00:33:53.205 --> 00:33:54.725
of equipment and they're, they need
830
00:33:54.725 --> 00:33:55.805
to be cooled and whatever.
831
00:33:55.965 --> 00:33:57.565
I, I don't know if that's ultimately what it was.
832
00:33:57.565 --> 00:33:58.845
That was the running theory at the time.
833
00:33:59.345 --> 00:34:01.565
And the reboot process takes about 15 minutes.
834
00:34:02.105 --> 00:34:04.325
So we kind of got a, we had phone calls
835
00:34:04.325 --> 00:34:05.325
with people in the truck
836
00:34:05.385 --> 00:34:07.085
and we established what had happened.
837
00:34:07.455 --> 00:34:09.565
There was a couple different ideas thrown around.
838
00:34:09.665 --> 00:34:12.765
At one point we nearly just fired up an Instagram live
839
00:34:12.865 --> 00:34:13.885
to try to keep going.
840
00:34:14.745 --> 00:34:18.405
Um, that was, that was kibosh for a few different reasons.
841
00:34:19.025 --> 00:34:22.085
But everybody on the ground, um, with Fox,
842
00:34:22.245 --> 00:34:24.005
IMSP did a remarkable job.
843
00:34:24.005 --> 00:34:26.925
When you, when you realize how complex these things are, um,
844
00:34:27.825 --> 00:34:30.805
did a remarkable job getting everything back up
845
00:34:30.805 --> 00:34:34.405
and running when we did, when it did get fired back up. ,
846
00:34:37.075 --> 00:34:38.125
It's a process, right?
847
00:34:38.125 --> 00:34:39.885
There's like stages and you gotta make sure
848
00:34:39.885 --> 00:34:41.125
that everything's talking to each other.
849
00:34:41.405 --> 00:34:42.565
'cause there's pictures and there's audio
850
00:34:42.665 --> 00:34:44.485
and there's graphics and there's timing and scoring.
851
00:34:44.505 --> 00:34:46.525
And it's not just like you flick the switch
852
00:34:46.525 --> 00:34:47.965
and it all comes back on, right?
853
00:34:47.965 --> 00:34:50.365
This is a very complex set of systems.
854
00:34:51.145 --> 00:34:53.165
So at one point we got pictures back
855
00:34:53.665 --> 00:34:56.045
and then, you know, our producers telling us in our ear,
856
00:34:56.045 --> 00:34:58.365
like, okay, we need you to talk, we need to get our audio
857
00:34:59.145 --> 00:35:00.485
worked out, whatever that means.
858
00:35:00.605 --> 00:35:02.765
I don't know. So we were just talk, we were just check,
859
00:35:02.765 --> 00:35:04.485
check, check, check, one, two, talk, talk, talk.
860
00:35:04.625 --> 00:35:06.845
You know, will will, Townsend, Townsend Townsend, James,
861
00:35:06.845 --> 00:35:08.045
James James, whatever, whatever.
862
00:35:08.045 --> 00:35:09.205
Just kind of going through all this stuff.
863
00:35:09.505 --> 00:35:11.405
And they were like, just keep talking, just keep talking.
864
00:35:11.545 --> 00:35:15.005
So we just kind of started jokingly commentating on the race
865
00:35:15.505 --> 00:35:16.845
as if, 'cause like we just, they need us
866
00:35:16.845 --> 00:35:18.565
to just keep talking to make sure everything was going.
867
00:35:18.865 --> 00:35:20.765
And after that was going around for a while, I was like,
868
00:35:20.765 --> 00:35:22.325
man, everybody's like having a stressful minute.
869
00:35:22.575 --> 00:35:25.125
Let's bring a little bit of levity into the situation, try
870
00:35:25.125 --> 00:35:26.445
to give everyone a truck a laugh.
871
00:35:27.105 --> 00:35:29.405
And for some reason Christopher Walking came out.
872
00:35:29.405 --> 00:35:31.005
I don't know why, I dunno where it came from.
873
00:35:31.335 --> 00:35:33.245
Maybe it's 'cause I'm watching severance right now.
874
00:35:34.065 --> 00:35:36.885
And I did not know in that moment that
875
00:35:37.915 --> 00:35:41.045
somewhere in the world that feed was going to people.
876
00:35:41.605 --> 00:35:42.725
I think it was, I got a text,
877
00:35:43.285 --> 00:35:44.325
I don't know, I don't even know.
878
00:35:44.405 --> 00:35:45.965
I just got a text from a buddy of mine
879
00:35:46.025 --> 00:35:47.045
and I'm like, in Europe.
880
00:35:47.185 --> 00:35:49.285
And he is like, great Chris for walkin impression.
881
00:35:49.285 --> 00:35:51.565
I was like, what did, what did you say? I'm sorry, what?
882
00:35:52.105 --> 00:35:54.685
And, and then I, and then I go on Twitter
883
00:35:54.705 --> 00:35:58.525
and it's just like, I'm like, oh no, that's get that.
884
00:35:59.185 --> 00:36:00.965
My immediate first thought I was like, what did I say
885
00:36:01.025 --> 00:36:02.025
Before?
886
00:36:02.025 --> 00:36:03.125
That must've sunk, right? Like, just trying
887
00:36:03.125 --> 00:36:04.765
to remember every word that I just said.
888
00:36:05.435 --> 00:36:08.165
Exactly right. Exactly right. So Alex
889
00:36:08.275 --> 00:36:09.275
Rossi's a dumb bitch.
890
00:36:10.145 --> 00:36:11.405
No, no. He said that during Qualifi.
891
00:36:11.525 --> 00:36:13.045
I say that now.
Oh right, okay.
892
00:36:14.565 --> 00:36:16.485
I said that at the top of the show on networked.
893
00:36:16.485 --> 00:36:18.685
Yeah, that was my opening, whatever.
894
00:36:18.685 --> 00:36:20.605
Uh, but yes, we, we got here,
895
00:36:20.605 --> 00:36:23.285
but what was so funny about it is, in all honesty, so the,
896
00:36:23.465 --> 00:36:24.845
we got our telestrator right?
897
00:36:25.465 --> 00:36:27.085
And when the whole power went all, sorry,
898
00:36:27.085 --> 00:36:31.765
when the signal got lost, the Telus froze at the last thing.
899
00:36:32.505 --> 00:36:35.285
And so when it fired back up, we had this, we,
900
00:36:35.465 --> 00:36:36.725
we were keeping tally.
901
00:36:36.745 --> 00:36:39.805
So we got a laptop with timing and scoring up and,
902
00:36:39.865 --> 00:36:41.285
and luckily from where the booth was,
903
00:36:41.305 --> 00:36:43.645
we had a pretty good view of the track.
904
00:36:43.845 --> 00:36:46.325
'cause we were up on top of that timing and scoring tower.
905
00:36:46.325 --> 00:36:48.285
We got a 360 degree view of the track.
906
00:36:48.785 --> 00:36:50.365
So we were doing our best to keep track of
907
00:36:50.365 --> 00:36:51.965
what was happening on timing and scoring.
908
00:36:52.165 --> 00:36:53.325
'cause it was right in the middle. It was right
909
00:36:53.325 --> 00:36:54.525
before pit cycle started.
910
00:36:54.985 --> 00:36:58.165
So a whole pit cycle happened and we were taking notes
911
00:36:58.165 --> 00:36:59.605
and keeping track of who pit when
912
00:36:59.605 --> 00:37:01.405
and all this stuff so that we could put together a little
913
00:37:01.405 --> 00:37:02.645
summary of what people missed.
914
00:37:03.385 --> 00:37:07.205
And the best part was, it was, it was, it was, um, frozen.
915
00:37:07.585 --> 00:37:08.645
It had the top five.
916
00:37:09.785 --> 00:37:12.725
And then when we came back 10 laps later,
917
00:37:13.075 --> 00:37:14.925
full pit cycle top five was the same.
918
00:37:15.235 --> 00:37:16.885
Like, ah, you guys didn't miss much.
919
00:37:16.885 --> 00:37:17.885
Here's the quick recap, .
920
00:37:21.125 --> 00:37:23.125
I mean maybe that's, maybe that's, maybe
921
00:37:23.125 --> 00:37:25.325
that's the argument against it being a great race.
922
00:37:25.465 --> 00:37:29.885
Um, anyways, so listen, thank you for hanging in there.
923
00:37:30.185 --> 00:37:33.845
Uh, in order to, you know, get the majority
924
00:37:33.845 --> 00:37:35.765
of the broadcast out, I know people like
925
00:37:35.765 --> 00:37:37.365
to point fingers at that stuff happens.
926
00:37:37.885 --> 00:37:39.885
Ultimately they didn't miss really anything.
927
00:37:40.345 --> 00:37:41.685
Um, it won't happen again.
928
00:37:42.065 --> 00:37:45.085
Uh, there will be adjustments made, guys don't be,
929
00:37:45.255 --> 00:37:47.605
don't be <inaudible> and not support a race just
930
00:37:47.605 --> 00:37:49.125
because you didn't buy the ticket,
931
00:37:49.125 --> 00:37:50.765
because that's not, that doesn't make sense.
932
00:37:50.795 --> 00:37:53.405
Like you still listen to fricking Taylor Swift,
933
00:37:53.405 --> 00:37:55.285
even if you don't pay her outrageous concert
934
00:37:55.285 --> 00:37:57.205
prices. Um, great
935
00:37:57.375 --> 00:37:58.375
Point.
936
00:37:58.375 --> 00:38:00.165
There's, there's a lot of, there's a lot
937
00:38:00.165 --> 00:38:04.405
of stuff happening on, uh, the eastern part of the world,
938
00:38:04.705 --> 00:38:07.685
um, where James is right now going into Japan.
939
00:38:07.945 --> 00:38:09.285
Not this weekend, but next weekend.
940
00:38:09.635 --> 00:38:11.765
There's rumors swirling about Red Bull
941
00:38:11.905 --> 00:38:13.525
and Red Bull doing Red Bull things.
942
00:38:13.625 --> 00:38:16.325
So, uh, tune in next week to hear all about that
943
00:38:17.915 --> 00:38:19.205
This has been off track with Hinch
944
00:38:19.205 --> 00:38:20.645
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945
00:38:20.645 --> 00:38:23.205
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00:38:23.625 --> 00:38:24.805
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947
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