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This is, is off track.
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Hey guys. Welcome to Off Track with Razzi.
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I, so I was really tired last week. What did we talk about?
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Just so I know what not to cover this week. Thermal, right?
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We covered thermal. Yeah,
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We talked about thermal.
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We, we, we previewed the whole Red Bull
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F1 saga. Yeah.
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Yeah.
Uh, I talked about something
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that the internet got had an opinion about.
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I don't really remember. Oh,
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The fight.
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Yes. We talked about the fight. Yep.
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Um, we talked about how like, it's funny
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that you're just on vacation yet.
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Nevermind. 'cause you showed up.
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So we made fun of you in the beginning,
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but then you came so it was fine.
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Hey, I was there the whole time.
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It's my internet wasn't working. Phan mean not phantom.
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Internet follows me around the world.
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That's true. We, we made fun of
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Japanese internet and how that's Yeah.
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Very surprising that it wouldn't the irony
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get there. 'cause Yeah. The
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Irony.
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Um, and that's about it. We made fun of Tim.
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Like if it was just a podcast with Tim,
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that certainly no one would listen. Um,
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Yeah, there were some weird comments on that.
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Some people very much agreed
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that they would hate an all me episode, but like one
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or two people said they'd like it.
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I have a few things written down that we haven't covered
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that have happened and since there was no racing last
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weekend and stuff,
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we should just, we should just get over these.
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I don't think we've mentioned that Toby salary
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signed a development deal
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with Ray Hall Letterman Landigan Racing.
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He did.
He did. And I, right.
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And it kind of went under the radar a little bit.
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I like this trend
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of IndyCar teams having like reserve
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slash development drivers. I like
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It.
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Why? Why?
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Because it's, it's, it gives young drivers hope.
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It makes them part of a team officially.
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It means they probably at least get a
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test day or two out of it.
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'cause there's, you know, rookie testing
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and driver eval tests that fall outside them. Wait,
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With who?
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Ray Hall.
So is Yuri gone?
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This was where I was kind of getting with this
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because at Thermal, Yuri was scootering around the paddock
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and I didn't get the chance to stop him and talk to him.
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But like it would seem
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that there's like two Ray Hall Letterman Lannigan
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development drivers, which I
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Okay.
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While, while one might be a decent idea,
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that's too much based on what you're explaining.
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This is Yes. Twice as many as you need. Yeah. Correct.
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It, yes. It's at least doubled the normal amount.
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Um, but no, I mean, you know, Rojan signed on with Prema
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as a reserve driver in case something happens there.
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Um, I don't know. I think it's, I like it.
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So, so here's, here's here's my argument
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as to why it's unnecessary.
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Hit me. Um, I understand the,
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where you're going from a in theory standpoint mm-hmm .
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But unfortunately IndyCar races, um,
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all within a two
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and a half hour, maybe four hour commercial flight.
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Okay. So if a driver were to get injured, God forbid,
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or a driver were to get ill, a driver can get from
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anywhere in the continental US to wherever IndyCar is racing
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in order to fill in. So, so
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I'm not saying they told me to
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Be at because they're, they're traveling globally, right?
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Yes. And it's very possible that in all these countries,
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people get sick, food poisoning, whatever. Right.
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Appendicitis,
Appendicitis.
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And they, there's no one on site to fill in. So I get that.
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Okay. Sorry. I I'm not saying I think that they need
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to follow the F1 model of the driver has to be there
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until the green flag on Sunday and then he can take off.
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I just think it's cool that drivers you,
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you're picking your guy, right?
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Like if that did happen, if, if, if Alex Rossi, hang on.
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If Alex Rossi got appendicitis on Friday
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of Indie gp right? Because
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He is a little bitch,
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We would all say suck it up and drive with appendicitis.
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It's not that big a deal. Yeah. And then we would be like,
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but who's ECR gonna call who gets that ride?
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I mean, it's not Connor anymore. Connor.
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Oh,
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So now, you know, at least like who the call up is going to
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as a, as a young driver, that's something to sell.
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You know, like it's something to look forward to.
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And like I said, you can be part
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of those conversations or whatever.
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I, again, they don't have to be at all the races
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for the reason you de you
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described, but I just think it's good.
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I think it's cool. I think it's a good opportunity
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for young guys and girls
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and I like that in racing. So anyway,
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So I, I guess the big question will be, will be this,
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um, let's see.
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I mean, God forbid someone actually is needed,
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like, we don't wanna talk about that.
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That sucks. I've been a part of that. So, of you James.
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Um, oh yeah. And Right.
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Um, I'll be very curious if a juncos,
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I'm, I'm sure Juncos would, if a Ray Hall.
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Well, again, as I'm talking about it, I'm sure they would.
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Right. But like I, I could very,
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I could see at some point someone having a reserve
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and still calling up whoever Hunter.
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Right? Maybe not, maybe not, maybe not.
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I just don't know because if you like,
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why do it then? What's, what's the,
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I guess there's no, I guess there's no precedent for it.
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The, the confusing thing is the
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confusing thing as the RA Hall one.
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I would love to, maybe we should get Bobby on the show.
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'cause I'd love to hear, I'd love to hear about, um,
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why they are taking this approach.
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Does it come from kind of something that they saw with BMW
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and the sports car side of things?
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Does it, 'cause it's not something
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that Indie car really has ever done.
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Right? Um, so yeah.
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Are they getting a huge amount of use out of it from,
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because do, for example, I can talk about this
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McLaren um, in the beginning.
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that all Chevy teams used
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to use was a Pratt Miller Sim essentially.
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That was in, that was in Charlotte and Pratt.
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Miller and GM split.
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Um, and Pratt Miller kind of does their own thing.
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GM started taking all of their tools and aerodynamic work
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and simulator work and everything in-house.
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Um, and so as a result of that,
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GM bought their own sim multiple sims.
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There's one for Cup, there's one for IMS a,
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there's gonna be one for F1 all in the same, uh,
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GM technical center in Concord.
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Well, Sims are, sims are a, uh,
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there's a black magic to them.
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They're very, very complicated.
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Not only to get to work,
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but to get to a point where anyone, whether it's drivers
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or engineers or trusting what they're doing, like it,
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that's everything from the tire model to the vehicle model
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to the motion itself, to the graphics, to the track scans.
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Like it's, it's a lot of work,
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a lot of money, a lot of effort.
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At the beginning, um, it was a huge step back
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because the Pratt Miller Sim was,
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although it was fairly outdated, was
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tried and true and tested.
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Highly knew the people,
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knew the offsets we're going to this new thing.
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That even though it's modern day cutting edge, everything,
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it was, it was garbage in the, in the beginning.
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It's, it's getting to be very good now. Yeah.
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My point is, my point is, um,
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when I was at McLaren it was in, this was the transition.
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So in the beginning, like it was a lot of really tough days
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and Patto made the decision that like he's done.
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Like he's not, he he can't, it,
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it messes with his head too much.
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'cause it's so far away from reality.
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He doesn't really, he didn't really feel like he had enough
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input to give a direction to help.
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So he was like, I'm not, I'm done wasting my time.
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And everyone was like, fair enough.
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Like, can't force you to do this.
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I could only do so much
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because I'm an indie, it's in Charlotte.
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And the six cars we all know was a rotation
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of drivers. Right. So
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I wanted to interject to be like,
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they could force him to do it.
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It's kind of like his joke. Well,
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but yes, the team, it might not be the right move,
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but yes, yes, yes.
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I mean, if, you know Patto, you kind of, you take,
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you take your lumps with your, with your gold.
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Right? And so, um, we hired a driver,
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and I'm not gonna say who it is, uh,
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that was in the Charlotte area,
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that he wasn't under a reserve role
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or any sort of role like that.
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But he was doing a lot of work with some
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of the Chevy engineers
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and using McLaren sim days with our vehicle model
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and our tire model to kind of progress it forward.
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Um, so that the certain days that I would go
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or that Teddy would go,
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or I guess at the end when Felix would go all this sort
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of thing, it would, it would be a little bit better
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than last time we were there.
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I'm wondering if Graham is so busy with all
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of his businesses, um, you know, the other drivers. Louis
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Doesn't have the experience yet. Exactly.
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Whatever. I forget who was driving those cars last year.
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It wasn't, they weren't doing a good enough job.
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Ard.
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So he was probably doing a good job. Yeah. Yeah.
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Um, I I just wonder if the sim work is what they're using it
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for more than anything else.
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And it, and it did say in the article
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that he would be doing some sim stuff for sure.
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So that's, that's definitely a part of it. Mm-hmm .
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I don't know how much of a part of it, but yes.
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Anyway, I just think it's overall a positive thing.
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And I hope it's something that more teams do.
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'cause the other thing that I always found weird man,
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is like when you had a, you know, I, I mean he had
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to keep going back to Connor, but like,
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he talks about this famously having driven
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for pretty much every team, but Penske
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and GSI on the grid, um, like in one season driving
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for four different teams.
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If I'm that team, I don't want to give
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that guy any useful information, right.
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Because like there's a chance he's gonna end up over here.
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There's a chance he's gonna end up over there
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because like for a while Connor was kind
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of the guy and whoever it is.
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Yeah. Like let's say there's this one guy that's just kind
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of the guy and I wouldn't want to, like, you'd be, you'd be
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so hesitant to share too much information with them
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'cause they're not your guy.
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And then you're holding back their potential performance on
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a weekend just to like get through the weekend.
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But like that's a stupid way to approach a weekend.
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So have someone the team knows
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that the team has under their control
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and you can run it properly.
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So I have a question on that.
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Obviously, like from the outside, I know that there's going
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to be stuff that the team holds
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back and that the driver knows.
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But like, how much is there that the driver knows
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that they can't share?
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Or what kind of things can they not share?
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Well, I think every situation's different, right?
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I mean, I feel like in some cases
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certain teams would be secretive enough to be like,
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you don't even get to see the setups.
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Like you don't know what springs you're running.
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You can say it's, you want more front grip
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or you think the rears too stiff or whatever.
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But we're not gonna give you hard numbers.
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We're not gonna tell you what diff we're running,
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we're not gonna tell you what I mean.
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Suspension geometry, you can kind of see.
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But like the,
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they would stop from even giving them the fundamental
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basics of a setup.
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Um, the engine manufacturers might not tell them all the
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little tips and tricks on how
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to get the most outta the engine
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or the best for qualifying or this that of the other.
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So there's, there's enough stuff that it,
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when you add it all together would,
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would be a disadvantage for sure.
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So how much of that do you think came into play when Ray
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Hall went and raced for a Chevy instead of a Honda? Huge
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Amount.
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That was, yeah. I wouldn't, that was like the biggest
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Wouldn't, I wouldn't
Stumbling. I,
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Yeah, I wouldn't say set up wise,
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there was a lot probably, um, just
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'cause I don't think there was enough time.
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But in terms of like engine optimization
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and stuff, yeah, I bet they didn't tell him anything.
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And he'd also, like, it was also post qualifying
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where a lot of that, a lot
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of like the trade secret stuff there, there's an entire,
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like there's an entire part of the May engine stuff
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that's just for qualifying in a different chunk.
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So obviously half of it you wouldn't have to worry about.
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Anyway. I digress. Think it's cool.
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I think more teams should do it,
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get on blurred, get on with it.
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Other teams. Speaking of RA Hall, uh, Kuma announced
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that he's running with Ray Hall for the 500.
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We hadn't touched on that yet, so I figured
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that was worth mentioning.
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'cause you know, two times 500 order two, almost three.
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Um, he's back for another one.
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Um, have not yet once addressed the foot from Seabring.
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Uh, today I took my shoe off
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without pain for the first time.
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So it's getting better. It's getting better.
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So, okay. Uh, I mean what we,
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we touched on it very briefly
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with the Jordan Taylor episode.
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Um, yeah, if you didn't, if you didn't listen to that one,
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guys it's two weeks ago.
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Learn about how he's just better and fitter
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and just a overall greater human than all of us.
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It's great person combined. So, okay.
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Uh, driver change.
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Driver change is, is is a thing in, in sports, car racing,
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something that you probably haven't practiced enough.
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Clearly if you're getting your foot dropped on.
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Um, so what happened? I assume you were getting out.
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I was getting out. So, and were you,
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You running around the back of the car and you
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No, no.
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Took a shortcut or? No, I was belting him in.
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I was belting him in. Okay. And so the car's up and so
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The chassis dropped on you?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's
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Way worse than the tire.
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Oh. So much worse than the tire.
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And like, and I talked to,
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I talked to other guys, they're like, yeah, I had it.
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'cause you know when a car falls off the jacks right?
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Obviously it's got springs on it and so it kind of dips down
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and then pops back up to the normal ride height.
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Right? So a lot of guys have said like, yeah, I've had it
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where like it comes and it slaps down.
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I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. My foot was stuck.
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Like Yeah, because there was the tires on it. No, no, no.
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My foot was just so far under it
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and it was like way up on my foot.
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So like I had to ref my foot three times
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to get it out from under the car.
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And then I kind of just like threw the rest
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of the belts into the car, did the net up, was like,
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sorry dude, fix it yourself.
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Slammed the door and one leg hopped over to pit wall.
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Good times, huh?
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Good
Times. So yeah, it was swollen
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and you know, bruised and scratched.
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But in the defense, in the defense of the air Jack Guy
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that's on the other side of the car. Oh. So I know I
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Have no it couldn't see.
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No, it's not on them at all.
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But also, like, that's not something like,
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I would never even consider that as a possibility.
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So dude, there's literally you hadn't either So there was
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there no like heads up like this car?
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No. Oh,
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And I and, and, and I just think,
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I dunno if it's just maybe so uncommon
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that people don't even think about it. Don't mean can't,
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Can't uncommon if all your teammates
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were like, yeah, yeah, it's happened.
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Yeah, they've been driving this car for 10 years. Right.
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So like they've had it at some point, but yeah.
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Do you wanna know what's so funny though?
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So like, it was very painful. I'm not gonna lie.
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It was very painful. Thank God the TV cameras
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were there to catch it all.
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And uh, you know, I had to like have my foot up.
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So I, I go to medical just to like, I knew it wasn't broken,
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but it was, it hurt and it was like bruised
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and bleeding a little bit.
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So I went and got it band up.
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So I deci I determine I'm,
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I'll be okay to get back in the car.
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So I get back in the car, I do another double
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as I'm getting out.
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Right. You would think one would think that only a few hours
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after a fairly painful episode
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with my foot when placed in the exact same situation again.
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I would be hyper aware of my foot placement. .
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Here's what's hilarious. I get out, I start,
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start belting him in
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and then when the tires are done, I notice that
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the guy in charge of the jack starts letting the car down
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very slowly, just like bleeding.
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And I, so I see the car start to move
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and that was the first time I was like, where's my foot?
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And I like jumped back from the car.
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But as I got out of the car
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and started belting it back in, I had no regard for
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where my foot was had he just pulled it
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for all I know it would've been right under the car again.
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That's how dumb I am. Yeah.
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That's not great. No, no.
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It's just how committed you are
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to getting driver changes under 15 seconds.
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And I, trust me, I need every
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advantage I can get to get there.
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'cause it is hard to do that when you're not great at it.
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Um, I had a, I've I have two things from,
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uh, thermal One is just, uh, I don't know,
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we talked about it a little bit 'cause you
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had a lot of hybrid problems.
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But, um, an article came out on Racer that
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like an overwhelming majority of the issues
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that drivers face
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with the hybrid at thermal was actually they were actually
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team induced and,
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Um, in the race,
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not in the race any the time prior to that.
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Yes. No, I know, I know. Your issues were not. Um, yes.
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And that in the article it said that here, it actually,
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it actually calls yours out. But
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Here's what's interesting.
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Um, you're absolutely right
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And explain why, explain what teams did right or wrong.
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Right. So I I I can't, I can't say too much.
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Um, but what I will say is
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this is all new for everyone.
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Um, and so essentially, essentially
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what was wrong was the hybrid was getting too hot.
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The teams can control the cooling
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to the hybrid based on the inlet blockers
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that they'd run on the backside of the radiators, um,
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to essentially the hybrid cooler, if you will.
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It's not a radiator, it's like a heat sink sort of thing.
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Um, and there's an advantage to running more blocker
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because it's better for performance, uh, less track in terms
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of, in terms of aerodynamics.
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But obviously it's, it's worse
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for performance in terms of heat.
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The blockers are, are chosen by the teams. Yes.
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But they are, they are recommended
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and the manufacturers are assisting in in choosing.
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Okay. Um, and everyone had a problem except
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one team, which team?
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CGR. And I just think that it's, it's amazing.
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Like I don't think there's any, any funny business going on.
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That's not what I'm alluding to.
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What I'm, what I'm saying is like they,
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they clearly have a better understanding
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of, of, of everything.
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Like it's not, it's not only just
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that they have a better understanding of like tired day,
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but they have a better understanding of
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how the hybrid would get hot in certain situations
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with these new power limits that no one else had thought of,
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including manufacturers. And it's just like
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Every other team Dang had at least one car with a,
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a hot hybrid in thermal.
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Yes.
Huh. Interesting. Does that include Meyer Shank?
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Yes. That's even more interesting. Yeah.
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That's even more interesting if I'm, if I'm Mike Shank,
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I'm like, what am I paying for again?
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Exactly. , do I not get all the information anymore?
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Is that not how that works? I,
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I dunno.
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I dunno. But yeah. Interesting. Okay.
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It was, um, yeah, so, um, listen, it's,
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we've talked about the hybrid a lot.
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Um, it's in terms of performance,
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me having the hybrid in the race, um, does not negatively,
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I didn't finish ninth 'cause my hybrid stopped working.
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I was gonna finish ninth. Correct. Regardless.
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And Polo didn't win because his was
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working and, and no one else was.
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So let's not, let's not, let's not make this out
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to be like, this isn't some performance thing.
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It doesn't, frankly. And what's sad is
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sad is it doesn't make a difference.
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Like this is just another example that like, it can work
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or not work and your end result doesn't change.
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The annoying thing about it is we do use it in,
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as I've explained before, we do use it
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as a, as a balance tool.
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And when you're having to cycle it, when you can use it
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for three laps on, two laps off whatever,
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four laps on one lap off whatever sequence you decide, um,
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it, it becomes a little annoying as a driver
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because you're, you're changing a lot of things for one lap
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to cool it down and then you're reverting back
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and it's just, it adds an extra layer, um, that wouldn't
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otherwise be necessary.
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Uh, which is fine 'cause we're professional Right.
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Score drivers and that's what we're paid to do.
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We need to adapt. But it's just like, it's more of a,
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honestly a ball ache than anything else.
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Yeah. Like, you're not f you're not frustrated
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'cause you're going slower, you're frustrated
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'cause it's just all these extra steps you're doing
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throughout the lap that you otherwise wouldn't have to.
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Right. Um, but yeah. Okay.
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So very, very, very interesting
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and quite frankly not surprising
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that CGR has it has it figured out.
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Um, but yes, it's good to to note that the hybrid
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issues in thermal were a hundred percent team induced.
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It's not some series wide problem with hybrids, you know?
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Right. My bad luck on the 20 car.
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I mean, I'm not surprised that I have it.
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Uh, that makes perfect sense to me. Um,
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Yeah, you're a terrible person,
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Right?
503
00:20:10.335 --> 00:20:12.205
Right. . But, uh, quite frankly
504
00:20:12.205 --> 00:20:13.205
Universal karma.
505
00:20:13.465 --> 00:20:15.125
But again, quite frankly, it didn't,
506
00:20:15.665 --> 00:20:18.805
it didn't affect anything for us throughout the weekend,
507
00:20:18.805 --> 00:20:20.845
other than it limited lapse for us.
508
00:20:21.165 --> 00:20:22.325
'cause we were trying to diagnose it,
509
00:20:22.425 --> 00:20:26.285
but it's not like we went slower because it was off.
510
00:20:26.465 --> 00:20:27.465
So that's all right.
511
00:20:31.145 --> 00:20:33.525
So Japan's cool.
Oh, it's the best.
512
00:20:34.025 --> 00:20:36.125
So we've been, we've had the chance.
513
00:20:36.125 --> 00:20:39.605
We've now done some, some days in Tokyo, some days in Osaka.
514
00:20:39.625 --> 00:20:41.365
We did a day trip to Hiroshima.
515
00:20:41.365 --> 00:20:43.005
Today we're being like full on tourists.
516
00:20:43.905 --> 00:20:48.565
Um, but, uh, there's just some of the, some
517
00:20:48.565 --> 00:20:51.165
of the food, like the food obviously, like the, the food
518
00:20:51.165 --> 00:20:53.485
that you expect to be good is obviously phenomenal.
519
00:20:53.625 --> 00:20:55.045
But there is other food here.
520
00:20:55.045 --> 00:20:59.605
There are snack foods that are incredible. Um,
521
00:20:59.755 --> 00:21:01.485
There's also some really gross ones.
522
00:21:02.105 --> 00:21:04.365
Oh dude. There's a lot of stuff that's like offensive
523
00:21:04.505 --> 00:21:05.605
to even smell.
524
00:21:05.605 --> 00:21:07.645
Nevermind. Think about putting in your mouth.
525
00:21:07.715 --> 00:21:12.085
Yeah. Yeah.
Um, but the two, Becky
526
00:21:12.105 --> 00:21:16.725
and I went to this place today, um, in Hiroshima.
527
00:21:17.345 --> 00:21:21.325
And um, we just walked around this little like market
528
00:21:21.355 --> 00:21:23.525
that had all these little kiosks
529
00:21:23.525 --> 00:21:25.325
and like stalls and whatever.
530
00:21:25.945 --> 00:21:27.885
And we're just like, let's eat one
531
00:21:27.885 --> 00:21:29.325
of those now we have to try that.
532
00:21:29.495 --> 00:21:31.605
Let's eat this more of this one. This is good.
533
00:21:31.825 --> 00:21:33.645
And we just went around and we were just eating food.
534
00:21:33.705 --> 00:21:36.285
It was hilarious. We were just like, it was kind of dinner.
535
00:21:36.345 --> 00:21:38.005
We just sort of walked around just eating samples.
536
00:21:38.145 --> 00:21:39.285
Not samples, but like, just one
537
00:21:39.285 --> 00:21:40.525
of these, all these different things.
538
00:21:41.145 --> 00:21:43.445
But we came across a couple like dessert type
539
00:21:43.445 --> 00:21:44.885
things that are phenomenal.
540
00:21:45.225 --> 00:21:48.525
And the neither one of them seem particularly Japanese,
541
00:21:48.785 --> 00:21:50.685
but I need to just, I need to just explain.
542
00:21:50.845 --> 00:21:51.845
I know you're gonna love this.
543
00:21:52.265 --> 00:21:55.725
How about biscoff cookies with vanilla icing?
544
00:21:55.725 --> 00:21:57.685
Like Oreo icing in the middle. Hmm.
545
00:21:57.895 --> 00:22:01.005
Incredible.
Absolute fire.
546
00:22:01.745 --> 00:22:03.325
Why are these not in North America?
547
00:22:04.185 --> 00:22:08.205
Um, but the, the winner, the winner so far
548
00:22:09.305 --> 00:22:11.605
is one of these bad boys. Okay. Now
549
00:22:11.605 --> 00:22:12.685
Just 'cause it's maple,
550
00:22:14.045 --> 00:22:16.365
I mean subjectively Yes,
551
00:22:17.345 --> 00:22:19.245
but objectively also.
552
00:22:19.545 --> 00:22:21.925
Yes. Mm-hmm . So you open up this little thing
553
00:22:22.705 --> 00:22:26.005
and it looks like a little kind of mave leaf type deal
554
00:22:26.465 --> 00:22:29.005
or something else, and it's like a little kind of cake.
555
00:22:29.305 --> 00:22:31.735
And by anyway,
556
00:22:34.525 --> 00:22:36.895
Brunner's never gonna be the same. This is cake. We haven't
557
00:22:36.895 --> 00:22:38.615
Had a, a runner in like three years, so
558
00:22:38.995 --> 00:22:39.995
Oh no.
559
00:22:40.435 --> 00:22:44.855
But it is like a pancake that tastes like it's got syrup
560
00:22:44.915 --> 00:22:48.215
and butter already in it, but it's not like squishy
561
00:22:48.235 --> 00:22:49.375
or wet or sticky.
562
00:22:50.055 --> 00:22:51.055
I don't know how they do it,
563
00:22:51.055 --> 00:22:52.415
but it doesn't taste dry either.
564
00:22:52.835 --> 00:22:57.255
And the flavor is the most magic mapley thing ever.
565
00:22:58.055 --> 00:23:00.775
I just, I bought so many of them and I'm bringing them home.
566
00:23:00.875 --> 00:23:02.095
And you have to try these things.
567
00:23:02.245 --> 00:23:04.655
They're absolutely incredible. I okay away.
568
00:23:05.205 --> 00:23:07.175
I'll go away or show them dude.
569
00:23:07.775 --> 00:23:11.935
Japanese snacks. So, so Felix, um, raced in Japan
570
00:23:12.035 --> 00:23:13.255
for, for a while.
571
00:23:13.835 --> 00:23:16.815
Um, he did super formula, super GT stuff and everything.
572
00:23:16.955 --> 00:23:20.815
And he garnered quite a fan base when he was over there.
573
00:23:21.475 --> 00:23:25.015
And so when, now that he's an IndyCar,
574
00:23:25.015 --> 00:23:27.095
there's still a couple Japanese fans that come
575
00:23:27.095 --> 00:23:28.455
to certain races and all this sort of thing.
576
00:23:28.715 --> 00:23:30.695
And they bring him like wagons full
577
00:23:30.695 --> 00:23:32.655
of snacks. And so I just remember
578
00:23:33.085 --> 00:23:34.775
He's
Full in the driver lounge.
579
00:23:35.115 --> 00:23:38.495
Uh, in 23 there would be all of these random Japanese snacks
580
00:23:38.635 --> 00:23:40.975
and like 97% of them are fire.
581
00:23:41.725 --> 00:23:43.975
Just so
Good. Just everything, whether it's savory
582
00:23:43.995 --> 00:23:45.015
or sweet or both.
583
00:23:45.125 --> 00:23:46.125
Yeah. Yeah. It's
584
00:23:46.125 --> 00:23:47.165
Just, it's sour. Phenomenal.
585
00:23:47.275 --> 00:23:49.405
They just nail it. Yeah. It's just it, they just get it.
586
00:23:49.405 --> 00:23:51.365
Exactly right. So, um,
587
00:23:52.505 --> 00:23:54.125
Do you know what's weird about this place though?
588
00:23:54.185 --> 00:23:55.445
You're the tallest guy there. .
589
00:23:57.955 --> 00:24:00.245
What was, what's surprising is, I don't know why,
590
00:24:00.425 --> 00:24:04.005
but I came into this trip with the belief, the assumption
591
00:24:04.875 --> 00:24:07.245
that, 'cause like you hear how clean Japan is,
592
00:24:07.835 --> 00:24:11.125
that they're like also super environmentally conscious.
593
00:24:11.255 --> 00:24:13.605
Right. And certainly in some ways they are.
594
00:24:14.305 --> 00:24:16.245
But I have never seen a place
595
00:24:16.475 --> 00:24:21.285
with more like single use plastics in everyday use.
596
00:24:21.575 --> 00:24:23.125
Everything is wrapped in plastic.
597
00:24:23.135 --> 00:24:25.605
Every napkin at every restaurant comes in an
598
00:24:25.605 --> 00:24:26.965
individually wrapped piece of plastic.
599
00:24:27.545 --> 00:24:29.605
We got some laundry done at the hotel, man.
600
00:24:29.755 --> 00:24:32.405
They're far more concerned about hygiene than they
601
00:24:32.405 --> 00:24:33.525
are the environment.
602
00:24:33.625 --> 00:24:34.765
The world. Yeah. Right.
603
00:24:34.835 --> 00:24:36.845
Dude, we got laundry done at the hotel.
604
00:24:37.135 --> 00:24:41.525
Every shirt, every pair of boxers, every pair
605
00:24:41.525 --> 00:24:43.925
of socks individually like,
606
00:24:44.275 --> 00:24:47.525
like shrink wrapped into its own plastic bag.
607
00:24:47.745 --> 00:24:50.005
Not all into one big bag. Mm. Yeah.
608
00:24:50.005 --> 00:24:52.005
Each one made it great for packing.
609
00:24:52.005 --> 00:24:53.685
I bet. I bet it was the best laundry you've ever had.
610
00:24:54.145 --> 00:24:56.205
Oh, it's incredible. I haven't, I won't wear it.
611
00:24:56.365 --> 00:25:00.085
I don't wanna wear it. I refuse to open those bags.
612
00:25:00.405 --> 00:25:03.045
'cause those clothes will never be cleaner and more perfect.
613
00:25:03.275 --> 00:25:06.445
Yeah. And I just wild. Absolutely wild.
614
00:25:07.105 --> 00:25:09.165
But, uh, but yeah, having a blast.
615
00:25:09.585 --> 00:25:12.685
Um, we also went to, uh, we went to a castle.
616
00:25:12.685 --> 00:25:14.645
We went to Osaka Castle. Right? Mm.
617
00:25:15.545 --> 00:25:19.285
And I had a, I had a weird revelation at the castle.
618
00:25:19.815 --> 00:25:21.525
We're gonna get back to relevant racing stuff
619
00:25:21.525 --> 00:25:22.685
in a second. But I had this, yeah,
620
00:25:22.685 --> 00:25:24.845
There's a bit of, there's a bit of Red Bull stuff to tell,
621
00:25:25.105 --> 00:25:26.485
but I wanna hear about the castle first.
622
00:25:26.965 --> 00:25:28.845
I wanna get there. The castle was interesting
623
00:25:28.845 --> 00:25:30.365
because like, I'm like, oh sweet.
624
00:25:30.445 --> 00:25:31.645
I love old stuff and I love
625
00:25:31.845 --> 00:25:33.045
castles and this is gonna be cool.
626
00:25:33.045 --> 00:25:34.365
I've never seen a Japanese castle.
627
00:25:34.705 --> 00:25:36.125
So you see this big cool structure
628
00:25:36.245 --> 00:25:39.085
that's built in like 15 something rather than burned down
629
00:25:39.085 --> 00:25:40.285
or rebuilt in 16 something.
630
00:25:40.285 --> 00:25:42.325
Rather, you're like, cool. And you go inside
631
00:25:42.385 --> 00:25:44.405
and it's like nicer than a Marriott.
632
00:25:44.405 --> 00:25:47.925
Like it's, it's, the inside is just a completely like,
633
00:25:47.925 --> 00:25:49.365
just completely gutted it and made it a
634
00:25:49.365 --> 00:25:50.525
museum, which is great.
635
00:25:50.545 --> 00:25:52.285
But like, it's not an old castle at all.
636
00:25:52.285 --> 00:25:53.845
It's just like a shell of a castle.
637
00:25:53.945 --> 00:25:55.285
And it's a lot less cool than I
638
00:25:55.285 --> 00:25:56.325
thought it was gonna be because of that.
639
00:25:57.105 --> 00:25:58.565
But it's like eight flights
640
00:25:58.565 --> 00:26:01.805
of stairs in every story is like a floor of the museum.
641
00:26:01.805 --> 00:26:03.685
Right. And it was a weekend
642
00:26:03.945 --> 00:26:06.365
and it's a very popular tourist attraction in Japan.
643
00:26:06.385 --> 00:26:08.325
And it's a very popular time to be in Japan.
644
00:26:08.485 --> 00:26:10.085
'cause it's cherry blossom season and all this stuff.
645
00:26:10.705 --> 00:26:12.925
And, and so like, there's tons of people, man,
646
00:26:12.925 --> 00:26:14.925
just like an absolute ton of people.
647
00:26:15.665 --> 00:26:17.725
And so you're going up this really tight staircase
648
00:26:18.265 --> 00:26:20.445
and everybody, you know, Japan, like Asian culture,
649
00:26:20.445 --> 00:26:23.445
like everybody gets close in a lot of personal space.
650
00:26:24.305 --> 00:26:26.765
And I realized that like when you're walking up a flight
651
00:26:26.765 --> 00:26:29.525
of stairs in a public setting like that with a lot
652
00:26:29.525 --> 00:26:30.525
of people all jam
653
00:26:30.965 --> 00:26:32.565
Together, you're just eye level with <inaudible>
654
00:26:33.155 --> 00:26:36.285
Face to butts, man faces to butts all day long.
655
00:26:36.425 --> 00:26:37.925
And I just, I'm so glad
656
00:26:37.925 --> 00:26:39.325
that you saw where I was going with that.
657
00:26:39.845 --> 00:26:43.405
I had never really experienced anything like it just
658
00:26:43.705 --> 00:26:45.765
so much, so much.
659
00:26:45.865 --> 00:26:47.845
But in the face, walking up a flight of stairs,
660
00:26:47.955 --> 00:26:49.525
it's un like stairs are dumb.
661
00:26:49.725 --> 00:26:51.965
I actually, I, it made me kind of dislike stairs.
662
00:26:52.395 --> 00:26:55.525
Well, I mean, okay. That feels like a weird, weird jump.
663
00:26:55.525 --> 00:26:56.485
Yeah. Yeah. Well, you didn't
664
00:26:56.485 --> 00:26:58.005
experience what I experienced, Tim. Would
665
00:26:58.005 --> 00:26:59.885
You just like everything to be single story,
666
00:27:00.095 --> 00:27:02.605
would you like elevators in everything? All
667
00:27:02.605 --> 00:27:03.605
There are good options,
.
668
00:27:04.105 --> 00:27:06.565
So how, where do you stand on escalators further
669
00:27:06.595 --> 00:27:07.685
away from a butt?
670
00:27:07.845 --> 00:27:08.845
I guess
671
00:27:10.045 --> 00:27:11.285
I stand, I stand on the right.
672
00:27:11.465 --> 00:27:14.365
So that way you can walk on the left. Yeah. Like a grownup.
673
00:27:14.785 --> 00:27:16.205
Um, unless there's a but in front
674
00:27:16.205 --> 00:27:17.765
of you, then you stand on the left. Yeah.
675
00:27:17.845 --> 00:27:19.645
'cause I feel like, I feel like if you're on an,
676
00:27:19.865 --> 00:27:21.325
if you're on an escalator, you're standing
677
00:27:21.425 --> 00:27:23.725
so you can like turn to the side, you know?
678
00:27:23.875 --> 00:27:25.605
Fair. And you're not, you don't to be, you're not working.
679
00:27:25.745 --> 00:27:28.805
You're not like exerting energy, which often makes,
680
00:27:29.425 --> 00:27:30.965
you know, and there's like, yeah. I don't know.
681
00:27:31.825 --> 00:27:34.565
So did, did anyone mm-hmm. Like h in your face, ?
682
00:27:37.825 --> 00:27:40.925
No, to my knowledge, I wasn't crop dusted per se,
683
00:27:40.985 --> 00:27:42.605
but it was just the proximity man.
684
00:27:42.805 --> 00:27:44.645
I feel like there needs to be like a rule,
685
00:27:44.715 --> 00:27:48.965
like a two stair rule buffer between people, just
686
00:27:48.985 --> 00:27:51.245
so you're not to face at all times.
687
00:27:51.595 --> 00:27:53.005
Sure, sure, sure, sure. I
688
00:27:53.005 --> 00:27:54.885
Don't know it, look, I've been climbing stairs
689
00:27:54.985 --> 00:27:58.485
for 38 years and I've never really had this thought.
690
00:27:58.545 --> 00:28:01.205
So it's, it's obviously like a very circumstantial thing.
691
00:28:01.325 --> 00:28:03.525
I, I've had this thought. Yeah. I've had it a lot.
692
00:28:03.845 --> 00:28:04.965
I knew exactly where you were going.
693
00:28:05.365 --> 00:28:06.565
Yeah. You did. Like, but
694
00:28:06.565 --> 00:28:07.925
Did it occur to you that your butt
695
00:28:07.925 --> 00:28:09.445
was also in somebody's face? Becky?
696
00:28:09.555 --> 00:28:11.365
Yeah, it was usually Becky's . Yeah.
697
00:28:12.745 --> 00:28:14.845
See, this is where you,
You should've let her
698
00:28:14.845 --> 00:28:15.845
Work
First.
699
00:28:15.845 --> 00:28:19.205
Well, trust me by the sixth flight I was like, no, no,
700
00:28:19.255 --> 00:28:20.725
we're no, we're not doing that.
701
00:28:21.425 --> 00:28:22.965
But then you're the guy then, then, you know,
702
00:28:22.985 --> 00:28:25.405
I'm the jerk husband that made her have to do that.
703
00:28:25.465 --> 00:28:28.165
And I, you know, I'm not doing that. I don't know.
704
00:28:28.725 --> 00:28:30.045
I just, it was weird.
705
00:28:30.425 --> 00:28:34.405
So it was weird.
What Red Bull. Hold on.
706
00:28:34.785 --> 00:28:37.205
No, hold on. Nevermind.
707
00:28:37.395 --> 00:28:40.045
That reminds me of something that Becky said
708
00:28:40.395 --> 00:28:41.445
that was so funny.
709
00:28:42.655 --> 00:28:44.325
We're like looking through the museum, right?
710
00:28:44.345 --> 00:28:47.645
And there's all these like scrolls written in the 1620s
711
00:28:47.825 --> 00:28:51.045
and there's these suits of armor that were worn by the
712
00:28:51.635 --> 00:28:53.605
whoever's that were, you know,
713
00:28:53.605 --> 00:28:55.725
running the castle, all this stuff.
714
00:28:56.545 --> 00:29:00.445
And Becky was just like, she, I forget exactly
715
00:29:00.555 --> 00:29:03.125
what she said, but it was along the lines of like,
716
00:29:03.515 --> 00:29:04.525
well, that can't be real.
717
00:29:04.595 --> 00:29:08.325
Like, that's not, that's not really a scroll from the 1620.
718
00:29:08.345 --> 00:29:10.405
So I'm like, no, no, yeah, no, that's, that's like a real,
719
00:29:10.465 --> 00:29:13.885
it says right there, it's original letter written from X
720
00:29:13.885 --> 00:29:15.405
to Y about Zed.
721
00:29:15.865 --> 00:29:17.325
And she's like, no. And
722
00:29:17.345 --> 00:29:18.365
I'm like, yeah, that's suit of armor.
723
00:29:18.385 --> 00:29:21.445
That's, that was worn by some guy, you know, 400 years ago.
724
00:29:21.465 --> 00:29:22.845
And she's like, no, there's no way.
725
00:29:22.845 --> 00:29:23.685
There's no way you can know that.
726
00:29:23.685 --> 00:29:24.525
Like, none of this is real.
727
00:29:24.525 --> 00:29:25.965
Everything in here, we don't know any of this happened.
728
00:29:26.305 --> 00:29:29.005
And it basically, it was just a blanket statement claiming
729
00:29:29.005 --> 00:29:30.605
that all history was picked,
730
00:29:30.605 --> 00:29:32.325
history was, it was always made up.
731
00:29:32.755 --> 00:29:33.805
It's like we, it's like, we don't know.
732
00:29:33.805 --> 00:29:34.485
There's no way to know that.
733
00:29:34.555 --> 00:29:35.445
There's no way to know that
734
00:29:35.515 --> 00:29:36.725
it's not true. We're just making that up.
735
00:29:36.735 --> 00:29:37.925
Don't, don't give her a bible.
736
00:29:41.465 --> 00:29:42.365
wasn't, wasn't worried
737
00:29:42.365 --> 00:29:43.525
about her reading that anytime soon.
738
00:29:43.525 --> 00:29:45.525
Don't worry. Mm. But it was with, it was a nice
739
00:29:45.525 --> 00:29:46.525
Hanging out with J Chessen now
.
740
00:29:47.905 --> 00:29:50.005
It was just a really funny proclamation
741
00:29:50.005 --> 00:29:51.765
that just basically all history is made up.
742
00:29:52.015 --> 00:29:54.165
She's decided. So I support it. There you go.
743
00:29:54.505 --> 00:29:55.685
When's the cutoff though?
744
00:29:55.755 --> 00:29:57.165
Like, when's the point where she's like,
745
00:29:57.305 --> 00:29:58.565
all right, well this happened,
746
00:29:59.445 --> 00:30:00.645
I don't know when, when were compute,
747
00:30:00.645 --> 00:30:01.965
when were, were computers invented.
748
00:30:02.725 --> 00:30:04.605
1989 when she was born. I don't know.
749
00:30:04.755 --> 00:30:08.325
Yeah. . I'll have to ask her what the Yeah.
750
00:30:08.325 --> 00:30:09.725
What the acceptable date is
751
00:30:09.725 --> 00:30:11.805
that we started actually knowing what was happening.
752
00:30:11.805 --> 00:30:12.845
Right. I feel like ation like her
753
00:30:12.845 --> 00:30:14.485
Grandpa in Normandy, right.
754
00:30:14.675 --> 00:30:16.925
Like so that she accepted that happened.
755
00:30:17.405 --> 00:30:18.445
I think she's good with that.
756
00:30:18.825 --> 00:30:21.445
Um, look, I think it's pretty well documented
757
00:30:21.445 --> 00:30:24.285
how like the Wright Brothers did the whole airplane thing.
758
00:30:24.345 --> 00:30:25.845
So we're going back at least to the,
759
00:30:25.845 --> 00:30:27.365
to the early 19 hundreds.
760
00:30:27.715 --> 00:30:32.245
Okay. All right. Anyways. Um, so, all right.
761
00:30:32.705 --> 00:30:37.245
Uh, history, history, history may be wrong, um, and false,
762
00:30:37.385 --> 00:30:39.485
but it did repeat itself at Red Bull Racing.
763
00:30:40.385 --> 00:30:41.565
Um, good
764
00:30:41.655 --> 00:30:42.655
Segue.
765
00:30:42.655 --> 00:30:44.805
Look at that. You bull. Look at that. Look at that.
766
00:30:45.035 --> 00:30:47.165
Look at that big podcast guy.
767
00:30:47.745 --> 00:30:52.205
Um, Liam Lawson. Gone canned. See ya.
768
00:30:52.425 --> 00:30:56.405
Uh, back to Racing Bulls. Yuki Sonta is promoted.
769
00:30:56.825 --> 00:31:00.685
Or maybe depending on who you talk to, not, um,
770
00:31:01.865 --> 00:31:05.645
so I wanna, I wanna, I wanna talk about this.
771
00:31:05.805 --> 00:31:07.245
I don't know if you've, you've seen it.
772
00:31:07.345 --> 00:31:08.445
It, it was an interview.
773
00:31:09.705 --> 00:31:11.845
It was a couple, I think a couple years ago.
774
00:31:12.625 --> 00:31:15.765
And it was like on a Racing Mentalities podcast
775
00:31:16.185 --> 00:31:18.165
or something, or Racing Mindset podcast.
776
00:31:18.385 --> 00:31:20.205
And it was Alex Alban being interviewed.
777
00:31:20.235 --> 00:31:21.485
Have you seen this clip, James?
778
00:31:22.185 --> 00:31:24.885
Is this the one about the sensitivity mouse? Yeah.
779
00:31:24.885 --> 00:31:26.045
Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yes.
780
00:31:26.385 --> 00:31:28.045
So I, I'm just gonna, I'm gonna,
781
00:31:28.185 --> 00:31:29.885
I'm gonna give you the cliff notes for this.
782
00:31:29.945 --> 00:31:34.045
So basically he, Alex Alban, who was at Red Bull for
783
00:31:35.165 --> 00:31:36.165
a year, um,
784
00:31:36.385 --> 00:31:40.605
and struggled to, to match Max as it seems everyone does,
785
00:31:40.985 --> 00:31:43.165
was asked what it was like to be his teammate.
786
00:31:43.825 --> 00:31:47.325
And Alex was like this whole notion that the car is built
787
00:31:47.325 --> 00:31:50.445
around him, while I, I disagree with
788
00:31:50.445 --> 00:31:51.445
what he's saying a little bit
789
00:31:51.605 --> 00:31:52.965
'cause he disproves it a little bit later.
790
00:31:53.065 --> 00:31:56.085
But the, the premise is it's not that it's built around him.
791
00:31:56.105 --> 00:31:57.125
The car is what it is.
792
00:31:57.945 --> 00:32:02.085
And Max's driving style is so unique
793
00:32:02.625 --> 00:32:05.405
and he, he compared it to, if you play computer games
794
00:32:05.745 --> 00:32:07.485
or you use your computer
795
00:32:07.785 --> 00:32:10.485
and you turn the mouse sensitivity all the way to the max,
796
00:32:10.625 --> 00:32:11.725
and then you use your mouse,
797
00:32:11.785 --> 00:32:13.845
and the mouse cursor is just darting
798
00:32:13.845 --> 00:32:15.325
around the screen, he equated is that
799
00:32:15.325 --> 00:32:18.965
Quite on purpose or
Which part?
800
00:32:19.115 --> 00:32:20.325
Obviously not turn it to
801
00:32:20.325 --> 00:32:21.405
The turn it to the max.
802
00:32:21.785 --> 00:32:23.525
No, no. Highest level.
803
00:32:23.945 --> 00:32:28.065
Um, he equated, uh,
804
00:32:29.045 --> 00:32:32.625
the feeling of a max vapin red bull F1 car
805
00:32:32.725 --> 00:32:35.465
to be like the mouse at its highest setting.
806
00:32:35.885 --> 00:32:39.485
And he said the problem with that is in the beginning, um,
807
00:32:39.745 --> 00:32:41.485
you know, when the car's fresh for the season
808
00:32:41.505 --> 00:32:43.085
and all this sort of thing, you know,
809
00:32:43.085 --> 00:32:44.565
you start a couple tents off,
810
00:32:45.225 --> 00:32:49.125
but Max, you know, continually pushes the development path
811
00:32:49.145 --> 00:32:51.285
and, and all of this sort of thing to make the, the front
812
00:32:51.285 --> 00:32:53.365
of the car even sharper and even more aggressive
813
00:32:53.425 --> 00:32:57.605
and even even faster and, and higher, more sensitive.
814
00:32:58.065 --> 00:33:01.325
And so then as a driver in the second car, you are,
815
00:33:01.865 --> 00:33:04.045
you are getting a little bit more uncomfortable
816
00:33:04.045 --> 00:33:07.565
because like, it's such a unique level of, of sharpness
817
00:33:07.715 --> 00:33:09.445
that you get a little more uncomfortable
818
00:33:09.445 --> 00:33:10.445
and the gap gets a little bigger.
819
00:33:10.625 --> 00:33:12.525
And then you try and push a little bit more to close
820
00:33:12.525 --> 00:33:14.805
that gap and you crash or you spin or you have an off
821
00:33:15.465 --> 00:33:17.285
and then, and then you're behind.
822
00:33:17.545 --> 00:33:19.365
So your confidence has gone a little bit and,
823
00:33:19.365 --> 00:33:20.805
and the gap's grown a little bit bigger.
824
00:33:21.065 --> 00:33:23.965
And so then you, you try and, and, and close that gap again
825
00:33:23.965 --> 00:33:25.085
and, and it happens again.
826
00:33:25.345 --> 00:33:28.685
Or your just confidence drops another step.
827
00:33:28.685 --> 00:33:30.085
You don't crash, but it's, it,
828
00:33:30.085 --> 00:33:31.605
you just get more tense, more tense.
829
00:33:31.905 --> 00:33:33.205
And it's the snowball effect
830
00:33:33.205 --> 00:33:35.965
that happens throughout the year to where you started two
831
00:33:35.965 --> 00:33:37.405
and a half tenths off, three tenths off,
832
00:33:37.545 --> 00:33:38.805
you're now a second off,
833
00:33:39.265 --> 00:33:41.685
and now there's all these doubts within the team,
834
00:33:41.685 --> 00:33:43.885
within the media and within the sport that like,
835
00:33:43.885 --> 00:33:45.725
you can't do it and, and all this sort of thing.
836
00:33:46.145 --> 00:33:48.645
And none of that is necessarily a representation
837
00:33:48.985 --> 00:33:50.325
of the driver in the second car.
838
00:33:50.795 --> 00:33:52.765
It's just that what Max wants
839
00:33:52.925 --> 00:33:54.485
and what Max is successful with
840
00:33:54.485 --> 00:33:57.605
and what Max is able to make work is so specific
841
00:33:57.705 --> 00:34:00.325
and unique to him that there hasn't been another
842
00:34:00.325 --> 00:34:01.845
driver that has touched it.
843
00:34:01.905 --> 00:34:03.445
And people are like, oh, well Daniel,
844
00:34:03.595 --> 00:34:05.165
blah blah blah, Daniel this, Daniel that.
845
00:34:05.405 --> 00:34:07.085
I don't think Max was at his level
846
00:34:07.225 --> 00:34:09.605
or at his understanding of what he needed
847
00:34:09.625 --> 00:34:11.445
and wanted When Daniel was in that car,
848
00:34:11.665 --> 00:34:15.045
max was still very new to the sport, relatively, um,
849
00:34:15.345 --> 00:34:17.885
and hadn't evolved into the driver that he is now.
850
00:34:17.945 --> 00:34:20.765
You know, you, there was a quote from his engineer last year
851
00:34:21.455 --> 00:34:24.085
where it was in the middle of the year, um,
852
00:34:24.305 --> 00:34:27.165
and he was like, max is just scratching the surface of like
853
00:34:27.165 --> 00:34:28.325
what his capability is.
854
00:34:28.325 --> 00:34:30.805
And he, he is growing every single
855
00:34:30.805 --> 00:34:32.005
month that I work with him.
856
00:34:32.345 --> 00:34:34.805
And so I I believe that if Daniel were
857
00:34:34.805 --> 00:34:37.325
to get into the Red Bull now, it wouldn't just be plug
858
00:34:37.325 --> 00:34:40.325
and play back to five, six years ago.
859
00:34:40.525 --> 00:34:42.485
18. Yeah. Where he'd be matching max
860
00:34:42.485 --> 00:34:44.165
and winning a couple races and this sort of thing.
861
00:34:44.705 --> 00:34:47.485
So my point with this is, um,
862
00:34:48.275 --> 00:34:50.405
Liam Lawson is not a bad driver.
863
00:34:50.905 --> 00:34:52.245
Um, and,
864
00:34:52.305 --> 00:34:54.405
and I was having this conversation with a buddy
865
00:34:54.405 --> 00:34:55.445
of mine at lunch yesterday,
866
00:34:55.445 --> 00:34:58.485
and he was like, well, you thought Sergio was wa And
867
00:34:59.105 --> 00:35:03.845
my response to that was, yes, do I think Sergio as a, as a,
868
00:35:03.845 --> 00:35:05.285
as a race car driver sucked?
869
00:35:05.865 --> 00:35:08.765
No. What I think what was disappointing
870
00:35:08.825 --> 00:35:10.885
for me about Sergio was there was a period
871
00:35:10.885 --> 00:35:12.445
of time two years ago, two
872
00:35:12.445 --> 00:35:15.085
and a half years ago, where he was winning races on street
873
00:35:15.085 --> 00:35:16.445
courses and on pole.
874
00:35:16.705 --> 00:35:19.005
And no, he wasn't at Max's level,
875
00:35:19.065 --> 00:35:21.045
but he was, he was doing a very good job.
876
00:35:21.065 --> 00:35:22.165
He had adapted himself.
877
00:35:22.465 --> 00:35:25.885
He Max's peak in Max's Prime
878
00:35:26.185 --> 00:35:28.605
and the re bull was what it was.
879
00:35:28.665 --> 00:35:30.445
And, and he was, he was doing the job.
880
00:35:30.545 --> 00:35:33.005
And then that slowly started to separate.
881
00:35:33.305 --> 00:35:36.245
And I think that was more the comment of, um,
882
00:35:36.545 --> 00:35:37.605
really everyone,
883
00:35:37.865 --> 00:35:40.605
and it's also why Sergio got so much extra time,
884
00:35:40.625 --> 00:35:41.725
if you will, struggling
885
00:35:41.725 --> 00:35:42.885
because they were like, all right, listen,
886
00:35:43.445 --> 00:35:47.085
18 months ago you were on Pole and you won Baku back to back
887
00:35:47.105 --> 00:35:48.525
and, and you were, you were the guy.
888
00:35:48.945 --> 00:35:50.525
So like, you clearly have it in you.
889
00:35:50.525 --> 00:35:51.765
So what do we need to give you
890
00:35:51.765 --> 00:35:52.925
to get you back to that point?
891
00:35:52.925 --> 00:35:56.685
Because we believe you are a guy that can match Max
892
00:35:56.705 --> 00:35:57.725
and you can drive this car.
893
00:35:57.725 --> 00:35:59.005
Anyways, it didn't happen.
894
00:35:59.275 --> 00:36:02.325
What has happened is another driver's career has been
895
00:36:02.685 --> 00:36:07.005
severely affected by Red Bull slash Max Sapp
896
00:36:07.005 --> 00:36:08.725
and not anything of Max's doing,
897
00:36:08.745 --> 00:36:10.485
but just going up against him as his teammate.
898
00:36:10.825 --> 00:36:13.685
So I'm very curious, James, in your role
899
00:36:14.225 --> 00:36:18.405
and in your role as, as a presenter for F1 tv,
900
00:36:18.505 --> 00:36:20.325
but also as a driver.
901
00:36:21.435 --> 00:36:26.295
Like what, what do you take of this
902
00:36:26.515 --> 00:36:28.335
and are you concerned for Yuki?
903
00:36:28.805 --> 00:36:33.535
There's so many things to consider in this. Um, okay.
904
00:36:33.955 --> 00:36:38.695
So I think I'm in the majority of thinking that
905
00:36:39.275 --> 00:36:42.015
it seems too soon to make the change.
906
00:36:42.735 --> 00:36:44.255
I see Red
907
00:36:44.255 --> 00:36:45.255
Bulls do.
908
00:36:45.255 --> 00:36:47.095
Lemme just, sorry. Do you not think the gap was
909
00:36:47.095 --> 00:36:48.375
just far too big?
910
00:36:50.075 --> 00:36:53.095
Uh, honestly, like wouldn't you prefer
911
00:36:53.095 --> 00:36:54.135
them to make this early?
912
00:36:54.285 --> 00:36:56.735
It's not like he was 12th like he was last,
913
00:36:56.735 --> 00:36:57.735
Right?
914
00:36:57.735 --> 00:36:58.255
Yes. That's fair. Wouldn't
915
00:36:58.315 --> 00:36:59.895
You rather rip the bandaid off now?
916
00:37:00.155 --> 00:37:04.135
So my, my I my initial gut feeling was it's too early.
917
00:37:04.605 --> 00:37:05.695
He's going to a track
918
00:37:05.695 --> 00:37:08.335
that he knows he should at least have one more
919
00:37:08.335 --> 00:37:09.735
weekend, right?
920
00:37:11.235 --> 00:37:13.615
But then I read an article that was an interview with,
921
00:37:13.685 --> 00:37:16.815
with Helt Marco who, you know, look, that guy has some,
922
00:37:17.045 --> 00:37:19.615
some soundbites sometimes that you're just kind of like,
923
00:37:19.795 --> 00:37:22.495
wow, all right, that's, that's what we're going with.
924
00:37:22.915 --> 00:37:25.175
But everything he said, there was a logic to it
925
00:37:25.175 --> 00:37:26.415
that it was hard to fault, right?
926
00:37:26.595 --> 00:37:28.775
So the number one on the,
927
00:37:29.175 --> 00:37:30.735
'cause a lot of people are saying, oh, well he's, he's,
928
00:37:30.735 --> 00:37:32.455
he knows Suzuka, he'll be good there.
929
00:37:32.455 --> 00:37:33.615
Like let's give him that chance.
930
00:37:34.835 --> 00:37:39.135
His, his rebuttal was, well, Isaac Haja had never seen Chyna
931
00:37:39.135 --> 00:37:40.775
and he was only a 10th off Yuki in
932
00:37:40.775 --> 00:37:42.335
qualifying learning a track.
933
00:37:42.335 --> 00:37:44.095
These guys are pros learning a track's not the issue.
934
00:37:44.635 --> 00:37:46.135
You know what's a great point?
935
00:37:46.235 --> 00:37:48.695
That's a a hundred percent correct. I agree with that point.
936
00:37:49.355 --> 00:37:52.415
Um, and he said, look, we need, we want Max
937
00:37:52.415 --> 00:37:53.535
to win this championship.
938
00:37:53.675 --> 00:37:55.775
To do that we have to make the car better.
939
00:37:56.275 --> 00:37:59.535
So we need someone that has more experience in developing
940
00:37:59.535 --> 00:38:03.495
Formula one cars than somebody with 11 races under the belt,
941
00:38:03.495 --> 00:38:04.575
12 races under the belt, whatever.
942
00:38:04.575 --> 00:38:07.975
It's, and you know what, I get that too tho.
943
00:38:07.975 --> 00:38:09.935
Those are actually two really good points.
944
00:38:10.395 --> 00:38:15.255
So while from the outside it looks unduly harsh to,
945
00:38:15.255 --> 00:38:16.375
to pull 'em out that early.
946
00:38:17.085 --> 00:38:19.735
When you, when you look at how they got to that decision
947
00:38:19.765 --> 00:38:21.935
because of what their end goal was, I think
948
00:38:21.935 --> 00:38:24.095
what it really shows you though is that
949
00:38:24.765 --> 00:38:26.895
they are looking a lot more at the here and now
950
00:38:26.995 --> 00:38:28.935
and not at the long term, right?
951
00:38:29.075 --> 00:38:31.895
It was not, alright, well how do we just give Liam
952
00:38:31.895 --> 00:38:34.335
what he needs, ingratiate him into the team, see
953
00:38:34.335 --> 00:38:36.365
what his feedback's like, whatever, whatever, whatever.
954
00:38:36.745 --> 00:38:38.445
And we'll end up where we end up this year,
955
00:38:38.465 --> 00:38:40.525
but hopefully next year it can be a stronger package.
956
00:38:41.115 --> 00:38:42.685
It's no, no, we have
957
00:38:42.685 --> 00:38:44.445
to win Max's fifth driver's championship,
958
00:38:44.575 --> 00:38:46.125
which Marco said was
959
00:38:46.215 --> 00:38:48.605
above Red Bull winning the Constructors championship.
960
00:38:48.905 --> 00:38:51.645
So it wasn't even about necessarily the other car being in
961
00:38:51.645 --> 00:38:53.245
the points all the time, although obviously
962
00:38:53.245 --> 00:38:54.405
that's what needs to happen.
963
00:38:54.945 --> 00:38:57.005
It was more about the development of the car
964
00:38:57.025 --> 00:38:59.685
to make sure Max has a tool that he can go in the drivers.
965
00:39:00.145 --> 00:39:03.445
So when you look at the reasoning behind the decision,
966
00:39:04.035 --> 00:39:05.565
it's is it, is it harsh?
967
00:39:05.705 --> 00:39:07.965
Is it cruel? Is it all those things? Maybe.
968
00:39:08.305 --> 00:39:10.085
But the logic is there.
969
00:39:10.225 --> 00:39:12.925
And so I that's, that's what I look for in those kinds
970
00:39:12.925 --> 00:39:15.005
of decisions and, and I do see it.
971
00:39:15.525 --> 00:39:17.805
Hmm. Um, it'll be interesting to see
972
00:39:18.465 --> 00:39:20.285
how the racing bulls compare
973
00:39:20.425 --> 00:39:22.525
to the Red Bulls when we get to Suzuka.
974
00:39:22.665 --> 00:39:25.565
So to your second question, what am am I worried for Suki?
975
00:39:25.665 --> 00:39:27.645
Yes. I'm very worried for you, Keith. What
976
00:39:27.645 --> 00:39:31.075
Do you think happens hypothetically
977
00:39:32.025 --> 00:39:34.605
and I, I mean I don't wish Ill on anyone,
978
00:39:34.605 --> 00:39:35.645
but I hope this happens.
979
00:39:35.925 --> 00:39:37.645
'cause I'm so curious to see what they do
980
00:39:38.625 --> 00:39:40.685
if Lawson out qualifies Yuki,
981
00:39:41.265 --> 00:39:44.005
Do you wanna know what, like in a, in a weird twisted,
982
00:39:44.005 --> 00:39:45.525
alternate universe, I think happens
983
00:39:45.995 --> 00:39:47.405
They put Max in a racing bowl,
984
00:39:47.755 --> 00:39:49.325
They put max in a racing pole
985
00:39:50.235 --> 00:39:52.325
because if the car is that much better
986
00:39:52.545 --> 00:39:54.285
or at least that much more drivable.
987
00:39:54.975 --> 00:39:57.125
Becau But here's the thing, right?
988
00:39:57.125 --> 00:40:00.845
You go back to, I, I've only been two races, I think in,
989
00:40:00.865 --> 00:40:03.845
in Australia, max was a 10th and a half off pole.
990
00:40:04.065 --> 00:40:05.125
Or maybe that was even in China,
991
00:40:05.125 --> 00:40:06.925
it was like 0.17 or something.
992
00:40:07.385 --> 00:40:09.325
So like over a lap,
993
00:40:09.665 --> 00:40:11.805
the car's got some pretty serious pace, right?
994
00:40:12.465 --> 00:40:16.885
So you have to believe that max in a, in an RRB is going
995
00:40:16.885 --> 00:40:20.165
to be at least three tenths quicker than Yuki on
996
00:40:20.165 --> 00:40:21.365
pure single lap pace.
997
00:40:21.985 --> 00:40:24.365
Yes,
Maybe it's possible.
998
00:40:24.635 --> 00:40:26.365
Like if that car's got a bigger window
999
00:40:26.905 --> 00:40:29.685
and it's easier to find that limit, Yuki might be closer to
1000
00:40:29.685 --> 00:40:31.525
that limit and he might not have three tenths on him,
1001
00:40:31.625 --> 00:40:33.525
so he is not gonna qualify as high, right?
1002
00:40:33.825 --> 00:40:35.125
So that's still a risk,
1003
00:40:35.665 --> 00:40:38.445
but man, it would be, how cool would that be?
1004
00:40:39.235 --> 00:40:42.685
That would be the story . That would be the story like ugly.
1005
00:40:42.755 --> 00:40:47.605
Well the, then the question is like how, how important is,
1006
00:40:48.865 --> 00:40:52.765
how important is all of this to Red Bull versus
1007
00:40:53.305 --> 00:40:57.925
how important is Max's success to the people
1008
00:40:58.105 --> 00:40:59.645
who are in charge of Red Bull racing?
1009
00:40:59.755 --> 00:41:03.005
Because if I, if I'm Red Bull corporate right?
1010
00:41:03.065 --> 00:41:06.845
In Austria, there's no way that I would ever allow my
1011
00:41:07.525 --> 00:41:10.125
superstar to get outta my car purely from
1012
00:41:10.125 --> 00:41:11.165
the marketing aspect of it.
1013
00:41:11.165 --> 00:41:13.925
Even though it's it's still a Red Bull car
1014
00:41:14.035 --> 00:41:15.245
kind of, it's not, yeah.
1015
00:41:15.535 --> 00:41:18.165
Right. People don't, people don't make that connection.
1016
00:41:18.165 --> 00:41:19.845
Like if you think about it, you make the connection,
1017
00:41:19.845 --> 00:41:21.485
but you don't look at it and make that connection.
1018
00:41:22.345 --> 00:41:24.005
So, so while Marco
1019
00:41:24.145 --> 00:41:26.045
and Horner even might be like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1020
00:41:26.045 --> 00:41:27.605
Like that's that's what you gotta do.
1021
00:41:27.825 --> 00:41:30.685
I'm very curious if if Austria would be
1022
00:41:30.685 --> 00:41:31.925
like, yeah, go for it.
1023
00:41:32.105 --> 00:41:34.365
And that's, that's the, that's the question, right? Yeah.
1024
00:41:34.365 --> 00:41:36.805
I mean Max is so ubiquitous with Red Bull
1025
00:41:36.805 --> 00:41:39.285
that him winning in a Red Bull
1026
00:41:39.285 --> 00:41:40.765
affiliated car, is that enough?
1027
00:41:40.875 --> 00:41:43.205
Okay. Right. Like do they, do they care? I don't know.
1028
00:41:43.445 --> 00:41:45.525
I mean it's um, when you're, when you're dealing
1029
00:41:45.525 --> 00:41:48.005
with the sport at that level, the money involved,
1030
00:41:48.005 --> 00:41:50.205
the sponsor contracts, I mean, I'm sure there's a lot
1031
00:41:50.205 --> 00:41:53.765
of other secondary and tertiary sponsors on that car for
1032
00:41:53.765 --> 00:41:54.765
That have
Max,
1033
00:41:55.215 --> 00:41:55.845
Right? Yeah.
1034
00:41:56.525 --> 00:41:58.405
I mean, yeah, that's a primary, I mean, it'd be
1035
00:41:58.535 --> 00:41:59.535
Silly tag tag.
1036
00:41:59.535 --> 00:42:00.685
Hoyer definitely has Max.
1037
00:42:00.715 --> 00:42:02.005
Yeah. So Yeah. Right. I don't know.
1038
00:42:02.305 --> 00:42:04.245
So that, that's probably, probably not possible.
1039
00:42:05.245 --> 00:42:06.405
Probably not possible, but man,
1040
00:42:06.405 --> 00:42:07.925
it would be super cool to see.
1041
00:42:08.505 --> 00:42:10.165
So let's call it right now.
1042
00:42:10.385 --> 00:42:14.965
Do you think Liam Lawson outs Yuki Sonsona at Suzuka?
1043
00:42:15.345 --> 00:42:17.845
No. I still also say no, I
1044
00:42:17.845 --> 00:42:18.845
Just, but it's fun to talk about.
1045
00:42:19.085 --> 00:42:23.005
I don't, I don't know, I don't know that I, I don't know
1046
00:42:23.005 --> 00:42:25.395
that I rate Liam that high.
1047
00:42:25.545 --> 00:42:27.395
Like I think Yuki is, is a really,
1048
00:42:27.395 --> 00:42:28.795
really good race car driver.
1049
00:42:28.795 --> 00:42:29.955
Like he's a great race car driver
1050
00:42:30.135 --> 00:42:32.795
and I think he will, especially with the motivation
1051
00:42:32.815 --> 00:42:36.195
of being at home, um, he's tested the elbow
1052
00:42:36.295 --> 00:42:38.875
before how like it's, he's gonna, he's gonna perform,
1053
00:42:38.875 --> 00:42:39.875
Perform, how
Is this set up?
1054
00:42:39.875 --> 00:42:41.595
He's gonna perform like this setup is awesome. It's amazing.
1055
00:42:41.665 --> 00:42:43.155
It's a dream. It's a dream come true for him.
1056
00:42:43.215 --> 00:42:44.755
And I think he's gonna rise to the occasion
1057
00:42:45.015 --> 00:42:47.755
and I think he's gonna be there thereabouts.
1058
00:42:47.975 --> 00:42:49.755
Um, so yeah,
1059
00:42:50.465 --> 00:42:52.555
It's gonna be like, it's gonna be like, like,
1060
00:42:52.555 --> 00:42:53.595
like check out with Mexico.
1061
00:42:53.955 --> 00:42:56.035
I feel like every lap of practice,
1062
00:42:56.135 --> 00:42:57.515
the whole front strait's just gonna
1063
00:42:57.635 --> 00:42:58.715
erupt every time he goes by.
1064
00:42:58.715 --> 00:43:01.035
Mm. You know, in that car, it's, uh,
1065
00:43:01.135 --> 00:43:02.315
I'm, I'm, I'm stoked man.
1066
00:43:02.315 --> 00:43:04.835
Like, I'm, I'm super excited that I get be there to see
1067
00:43:04.835 --> 00:43:05.875
that because I,
1068
00:43:06.195 --> 00:43:09.035
I would be very interested to know what, um,
1069
00:43:09.035 --> 00:43:13.035
because obviously Yuki was in consideration like it was
1070
00:43:13.035 --> 00:43:14.875
between him and Liam, um,
1071
00:43:15.055 --> 00:43:18.555
for the Red Bull seat this year in 25, I'd be very curious
1072
00:43:18.815 --> 00:43:22.235
to know, because all, all everyone points
1073
00:43:22.235 --> 00:43:24.955
to is like Yuki's test in Abu Dhabi went really well.
1074
00:43:25.305 --> 00:43:27.355
Like he was very good. All of this sort of thing.
1075
00:43:27.375 --> 00:43:30.195
So I wonder what the, the, the moving,
1076
00:43:30.865 --> 00:43:33.235
what moved the needle in Liam's favor, um,
1077
00:43:33.235 --> 00:43:36.635
because Yuki had the experience, he has the connection
1078
00:43:36.635 --> 00:43:37.755
with Honda in Japan.
1079
00:43:37.865 --> 00:43:39.955
Like he was good in the test.
1080
00:43:40.705 --> 00:43:42.275
Like he was part of the program.
1081
00:43:42.665 --> 00:43:45.395
Like why, why did he not get the nod in the first place?
1082
00:43:45.585 --> 00:43:46.795
This is the one thing that's kind
1083
00:43:46.795 --> 00:43:48.435
of bothered me from the beginning, right?
1084
00:43:48.735 --> 00:43:52.875
Is I I was Team Yuki to get that ride in the first place
1085
00:43:53.895 --> 00:43:56.395
and the team clearly, and, and,
1086
00:43:56.415 --> 00:43:57.555
and I I I remember saying this,
1087
00:43:57.595 --> 00:43:58.635
I dunno if it was on the show or not,
1088
00:43:58.635 --> 00:44:01.195
but I remember saying Red Bull must know
1089
00:44:01.195 --> 00:44:02.475
something that we don't,
1090
00:44:02.865 --> 00:44:03.865
Correct.
1091
00:44:03.865 --> 00:44:04.435
Right. Yeah. It was on the show. Yeah.
1092
00:44:04.945 --> 00:44:07.035
Yeah. So whether it's something in his data,
1093
00:44:07.035 --> 00:44:10.075
whether it's something in his debriefs, whether it just,
1094
00:44:10.185 --> 00:44:12.715
just something, whether it's his, his hot temper
1095
00:44:13.135 --> 00:44:14.315
or whatever, you know, fitness,
1096
00:44:14.505 --> 00:44:16.875
what something it was something they knew that we didn't,
1097
00:44:17.625 --> 00:44:21.635
what I don't like now is how much of a 180 they've done.
1098
00:44:21.775 --> 00:44:25.115
Mm. And and I I I respect that they're saying, Hey,
1099
00:44:25.115 --> 00:44:27.595
we're trying to actually protect Liam by moving him back
1100
00:44:27.595 --> 00:44:29.355
to the racing bull by Well, it's not
1101
00:44:29.355 --> 00:44:30.355
Like they fired him.
1102
00:44:30.545 --> 00:44:33.925
Correct. And, and I agree like this, another weekend like
1103
00:44:33.925 --> 00:44:35.885
that, that starts a downward spiral.
1104
00:44:35.995 --> 00:44:38.045
It's hard to come back from, he could potentially be
1105
00:44:38.045 --> 00:44:39.445
competitive in the rrb.
1106
00:44:39.745 --> 00:44:40.805
So I do believe that.
1107
00:44:41.105 --> 00:44:43.445
But to go to like, Hey,
1108
00:44:43.445 --> 00:44:45.245
we're passing up this guy we've had in our stable
1109
00:44:45.345 --> 00:44:48.725
for four years for this guy we've had on the car, in the car
1110
00:44:48.745 --> 00:44:49.845
for four months who's
1111
00:44:49.845 --> 00:44:51.325
Never, who's never been out qualified
1112
00:44:51.325 --> 00:44:52.765
by a teammate including Liam.
1113
00:44:52.935 --> 00:44:55.045
Right. And now it's, oh, well,
1114
00:44:55.135 --> 00:44:56.525
you's a completely different guy.
1115
00:44:56.865 --> 00:44:58.925
I'm like, guys, we're two races in, right? Mm-hmm .
1116
00:44:59.005 --> 00:45:01.165
Has he performed well in those two races? Yes, he has.
1117
00:45:01.425 --> 00:45:04.365
But like, two's a coincidence, three's a trend.
1118
00:45:04.465 --> 00:45:06.645
We haven't even had three races to say
1119
00:45:06.645 --> 00:45:09.365
that there's an upward trend in his 2025 season.
1120
00:45:09.825 --> 00:45:13.525
Now I fully believe that he, he is doing a great job
1121
00:45:13.545 --> 00:45:14.885
and will continue to do a great job,
1122
00:45:15.145 --> 00:45:16.685
but like there was no reason to think
1123
00:45:16.685 --> 00:45:18.165
that he wouldn't do that at the end of last year.
1124
00:45:18.445 --> 00:45:20.005
'cause the second half of last year he was killing it too.
1125
00:45:20.225 --> 00:45:22.965
So I, there's a little bit of this like, oh no, you,
1126
00:45:22.965 --> 00:45:24.085
we've always loved Yuki
1127
00:45:24.085 --> 00:45:25.645
and now this is the great opportunity for him.
1128
00:45:25.645 --> 00:45:26.965
It's like, no, hang on a second.
1129
00:45:27.065 --> 00:45:28.205
You guys had this chance and
1130
00:45:28.205 --> 00:45:29.245
you <inaudible> up the first time.
1131
00:45:29.395 --> 00:45:31.005
Yeah. So like, let's not pat
1132
00:45:31.005 --> 00:45:32.165
ourselves in the back too much here.
1133
00:45:32.165 --> 00:45:33.765
Mm. Oh, we're protecting Lawson
1134
00:45:33.765 --> 00:45:34.805
and we're giving Yuki this chance.
1135
00:45:34.875 --> 00:45:36.245
He's always deserved. It's like, hang on.
1136
00:45:36.965 --> 00:45:38.565
I I I just want one time them to be like,
1137
00:45:38.595 --> 00:45:39.525
yeah, we screwed that
1138
00:45:39.525 --> 00:45:40.725
up. We shouldn't have done that. Right.
1139
00:45:40.755 --> 00:45:42.685
Yeah, that seems just, I wanna, that seems like a super,
1140
00:45:42.685 --> 00:45:45.365
that seems like a super formula One approach to have.
1141
00:45:45.995 --> 00:45:47.685
Yeah. Fair . Um, anyways, uh, Tim,
1142
00:45:47.745 --> 00:45:48.965
it looks like we're keeping you up.
1143
00:45:48.965 --> 00:45:50.365
You look very uninterested
1144
00:45:50.365 --> 00:45:52.125
and tired, so why don't you get back to bed?
1145
00:45:52.125 --> 00:45:53.325
Their bed their pal.
1146
00:45:53.325 --> 00:45:55.205
Like, that was my plan. Let keep you up.
1147
00:45:55.465 --> 00:45:57.125
Did you, did you have a big night last night, Timbo?
1148
00:45:57.665 --> 00:45:59.005
Uh, no, but it's, you know,
1149
00:45:59.005 --> 00:46:01.325
getting up at 5 45 on a Sunday and fun.
1150
00:46:02.405 --> 00:46:05.045
I mean, getting up at 5 45 is on a
1151
00:46:05.045 --> 00:46:06.165
Sunday is no different than a Tuesday.
1152
00:46:07.045 --> 00:46:08.325
I was just gonna say, I don't
1153
00:46:08.325 --> 00:46:09.365
really care what day of the week it is.
1154
00:46:09.365 --> 00:46:11.685
It's not, it's not that fun to do it on a Tuesday either.
1155
00:46:12.505 --> 00:46:14.125
But don't quantify it like a Sunday.
1156
00:46:14.275 --> 00:46:15.645
Like, there's no sympathy. I'm
1157
00:46:15.645 --> 00:46:16.845
Gonna complain how I want to complain .
1158
00:46:18.385 --> 00:46:19.565
That's fair. You have that right.
1159
00:46:19.755 --> 00:46:21.205
Well look, let's do it next week
1160
00:46:21.265 --> 00:46:24.005
and see how our predictions go, because you
1161
00:46:24.005 --> 00:46:25.045
and I both predicted that.
1162
00:46:25.275 --> 00:46:27.125
Okay. Wait, we broke. Predicted each. You
1163
00:46:27.125 --> 00:46:30.445
Mean we're gonna do a podcast next week? Okay. Yeah.
1164
00:46:31.385 --> 00:46:32.405
Are we not gonna do a
1165
00:46:32.405 --> 00:46:33.405
Podcast next week?
1166
00:46:33.405 --> 00:46:34.205
No, but you No, but you were like, oh,
1167
00:46:34.215 --> 00:46:35.645
let's do it this again next week
1168
00:46:35.665 --> 00:46:36.685
and see it's like, oh yeah, yeah.
1169
00:46:36.795 --> 00:46:38.325
Like we weren't gonna, yeah. Okay.
1170
00:46:38.325 --> 00:46:41.325
But wait, is Liam gonna out qualify Haja?
1171
00:46:41.865 --> 00:46:43.645
No,
I'm gonna also say no.
1172
00:46:43.825 --> 00:46:45.605
I'm gonna also say no. All right guys, we need to
1173
00:46:45.965 --> 00:46:46.965
Disagree on
Something.
1174
00:46:48.395 --> 00:46:50.365
your sweater's cool. Dammit.
1175
00:46:50.425 --> 00:46:51.845
No, that's not right. Oh, man, I
1176
00:46:51.845 --> 00:46:52.925
Don't know. It's Marco's.
1177
00:46:53.705 --> 00:46:56.125
Oh, . That's,
That's
1178
00:46:56.165 --> 00:46:57.165
A choice.
1179
00:46:57.165 --> 00:46:59.165
I love it. I love it. Bye guys.
1180
00:47:00.795 --> 00:47:02.685
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1181
00:47:02.905 --> 00:47:06.085
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1182
00:47:06.505 --> 00:47:07.645
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1183
00:47:07.645 --> 00:47:09.885
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1184
00:47:09.885 --> 00:47:10.925
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1185
00:47:11.525 --> 00:47:13.645
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1186
00:47:13.785 --> 00:47:16.485
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1187
00:47:16.705 --> 00:47:19.565
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00:47:19.565 --> 00:47:20.925
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00:47:21.145 --> 00:47:22.645
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1190
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1191
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