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Is off track.
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James, you're not in Hinch Coast City anymore.
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You're in Oh, did I not change my
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Hinch daddy?
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Well, and Alex, you're not doing
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Like Abu Hinch.
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You don't have a joke one this week either. Sobi, right?
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Yeah. Or Abu
Abu Dcl.
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Buin.
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Or uh, uh, no, the first one
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He said made more sense.
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Hint, you daddy. I,
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I obviously flew here from Qatar today,
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Cutter and
Whatever.
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I flew in Abu Dhabi today.
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You're making it sound like that's a far flight.
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What was it? An hour? No,
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No, no.
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I'm, I'm not making, not even,
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It's like Indianapolis. Chicago.
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I flew in, I flew in today. Oh my God.
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No, sorry. I'm just doing this because
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Chicago, I'm tired. And boy,
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The flight complaining about I didn't What? Shut
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Up.
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You could chop it in. Oh God.
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I, yeah, for sure would've taken longer,
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but I could've, I'm just saying,
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I miss when you were a
Chopper guy is a
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tra This is Me too. .
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This is a travel podcast, guys.
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So I have a travel, it's not even a story, it's just,
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it's just, oh God, we have to write this book.
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We have to write this book of travel etiquette, all the do's
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and don'ts, and it's gonna be super snippy and sarcastic.
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And, um, one of the big things, it's gonna be,
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it's gonna be carousel etiquette, car carousel etiquette.
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Really reared its ugly head today.
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Where like, we flew on basically a charter.
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It wasn't a charter, but like the entire flight was
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just F1 people, right?
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And so these people, they all travel a lot.
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Everybody gets it. Everybody gets how it works.
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And we're down in the carousel
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and everybody's leaving like a respectable amount of room
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from where they're standing to the belt so
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that people can get through to get their stuff.
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Okay? This nice little pocket.
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And then this, I don't know, this other group from the
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flight, it's just a bunch of dudes just <inaudible>
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slammed in there and were standing right up against it.
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And they're like, the last ones to the carousel.
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And there's this big gap right in front of the, like,
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right against, and it's like, they're like, oh, look at
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that front row seats.
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Why aren't these people taking it? What a bunch of idiots.
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And just slammed in there
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and it's like, no, dude, you can't just do that.
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And then literally, right, , right?
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As they do that, all of the people I was staying
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with bags started showing up.
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We had to like <inaudible> get through the jungle
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of bodies to get to the thing.
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And then you're lifting your bag off
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and just hitting them in the nuts unintentionally,
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but not apologetically either.
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It's, it's just the worst stand back from the carousel.
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If you're, if you, if you can, if your leg,
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if you kick your leg out
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and your foot can touch the carousel,
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you are standing too close and you're <inaudible>.
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I feel like so much of our like travel advice
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or stories about what not to do is just, it just comes down
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to like, just don't be a <inaudible>.
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Just like consider other people even a little bit.
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I like to sit on the edge
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and then when the belt turns on, it rubs against my butt.
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I could see that. I could see that. Mm.
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Because you got that hemorrhoid problem. It
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didn't
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Hey, if Connor could turn paint in the car into a
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depends, uh, sponsorship.
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Let's get that preparation h money coming
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your way, buddy. Preparation
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Age, wagon or James.
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You could just not check a bag. Ever thought about that?
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Dude, it's, I, you know, me, I very,
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I try very hard to not do that.
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I know, I know. But I had to on this trip. It's,
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It's, yeah, you gotta cover, you gotta cover your skin.
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Um, so I had a travel story coming back from The Bahamas.
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I knew this was gonna happen. Um, you know, indie was,
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was scheduled to get a bunch of snow
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and it was all coming in Saturday night.
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And, um, the forecast was, was the day I was fine.
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Would the forecast as usual for Indianapolis
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was very aggressive.
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It was saying like six to eight inches.
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Um, and so the morning of our flight, we, uh,
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we woke up and got a notification
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that our flight had been moved to Sunday morning at 5:00 AM
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which which with bags in the car seat and the baby
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and everything, landing in Charlotte at eight
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to then get a rental car, get the baby the car seat out,
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get the baby in the car seat, drive to a hotel, check in,
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undo his pack
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and play Crip thing, get everything all set up
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to then just pack it all up for 3:00 AM
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to go back to the airport.
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Didn't sound super appealing.
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So I was like looking at my aviation
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Prague charts and tracking like
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where the front was moving through.
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And I was like, we can fly to Louisville
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'cause that's like on the outer boundary
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and that's not gonna be affected.
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So I called up American
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and was like, Hey, I need to keep the part from Nassau
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to Charlotte the same, but get us on the,
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the fricking whatever, eight 30 flight
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from Charlotte to Louisville.
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Rent a car, two hour drive, no problem.
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And they were like, yep, that's fine.
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Um, you won't be able to sit next to each other,
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but we'll get you on the flight.
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Cool. So we, uh, we show up to the check-in in
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The Bahamas, and I don't know, I'm sure you have,
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but uh, when you use a, a car service,
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like a transfer service, um, in The Bahamas from the hotel,
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they like mandate that they're picking you up three
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hours before your departure.
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Like there's no, if you wanna use the
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service, you don't say the time.
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It's like, your plane leaves at four
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30, we're picking you up at one 30.
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And so we were kind of annoyed
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by that, but it's like, whatever.
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Like, we gotta check outta the hotel anyways.
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So let's have lunch and, and and head there.
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30 minute drive. We get there like right before two.
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And it's a good thing because, um, I don't,
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James wouldn't know this, Tim does,
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but when you travel with an infant, um,
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it doesn't, and they're on your lap.
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They don't need a seat. Right, right.
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Because they're on your lap.
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But if you travel internationally with an infant,
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they want their piece of the pie.
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So there's tax. Really? And so there's
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A kid on your lap tax.
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Yeah, but it's like, it's some irrelevant amount.
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I mean, I don't mean to say that in a derogatory way,
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but it's like 20 to $60 depending on where you're going.
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Right? Right.
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The ticket 15 outta the box, the, so it's a irrelevant
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Amount, the scheme, scheme of what it cost to
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have a kid. Yeah.
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Right. So when I made the change with American,
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I was like, just so you know,
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like obviously the infant's still coming home with us.
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Um, so like, make sure that's all done.
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The guy was super cool about it on the app, it showed Alex,
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Kelly, Benjamin infant and lap, everything looked good.
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So we get to check in and the lady's
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like, we didn't pay the tax.
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And I'm like, well, I did because he obviously came down
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and it was on, it was a round trip ticket.
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We weren't gonna leave him here,
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and we just had to change our destination return airport
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because it, you guys canceled it essentially.
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Um, so it should have just moved over.
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She was like, well, it didn't.
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I said, okay, well I'm happy to pay it again.
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She's like, well, let me, let me figure it out.
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So she's tapping away
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and I can't imagine that there, I would love
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to see the UI for
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Like, oh dude,
Rental car counter computers.
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I have thought this so many
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Times.
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Airline checking computers, like they're,
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how many keystrokes and pages are there?
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Yes. Like this can't, like, come on . Yeah.
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So hundred are, you're just playing solitaire and,
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and just extending this out.
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Are you on Facebook market lately? What are you doing?
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Um, and so anyways, which is
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A poorly designed system, clearly,
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It, it must be running on Windows Vista or some <inaudible>.
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So, um, she has to call, she has to call.
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And I'm like, do you want me to just call the EP desk
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and like pay the fee through them
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and they'll reprocess it and everything?
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It's like, no, no, no. One hour and 20 minutes later,
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No. Yes, Alex,
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We are standing there
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and just like Ben is in his stroller, thankfully he's cool,
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but like, you're just,
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there's nothing You are, you're just trapped
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An hour and 20 minutes
Standing at the desk.
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Our bags are gone. We have, I have my passport.
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Kelly has her passport. Everything's done.
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But like his ticket isn't,
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isn't in existence even though he doesn't need a ticket.
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It's not in existence.
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And so I'm, I'm like getting to the point
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where there's a united flight that's direct to Chicago
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that's leaving in like an hour.
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And I went down to the United desk
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and I was like, is that going?
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Even though there's weather in Chicago?
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And they're like, yeah. And I'm like,
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do you have two plus a mini human seats?
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And they're like, yeah. I was like, all right, standby.
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Because like, I'm not just gonna sit here
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and watch my flight take off.
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Like, this is ridiculous.
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So anyways, um,
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this whole thing ends about 10 minutes later
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and the lady's heart, I think was in the right place.
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Yeah.
But she wasted an hour
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and a half of our time for a $4
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and 30 cent difference.
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$4 and 30 cent difference in the tax
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because we were going to Louisville and not Indianapolis.
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That is.
And I was like inferior.
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I really would've liked the option
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To just to give her a Fiverr and walk a 10
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Because we didn't get to, he
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and then had a, as babies do his pants.
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And so then we were ru we were like, we were behind a bunch
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of people at this point through security.
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They closed TSA breach check.
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We were behind a bunch of people in customs.
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He had <inaudible> his pants. We had to change him.
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It was like a blowout.
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So we had to change his outfit and everything.
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We barely had time to get a bottle of water
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and we're like running to the gate.
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And it's like, this was so unnecessary for something
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that was in my mind, super avoidable.
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But anyways, that, that's my travel story. We got to, we got
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Kentucky.
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So then you got to Louisville
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and you drove Drove home. Yeah,
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We drove home.
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Oh. And, and what the real pisser of it all is.
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Um, we got, it was no
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Weather.
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Two thirds of an inch of snow. Yeah.
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The other thing is like, I was like,
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okay, it's it's pretty bad.
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Blah, blah blah. So I need to pay to make sure, I mean,
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we have a baby, so I gotta get an all wheel drive.
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SUV. It's Thanksgiving,
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the holiday. So like, I wasn't cheap.
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One way rental. One way rental.
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Yeah, for sure. That's the worst. And
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Then I just, I just drove and it was just like damp ground
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and it was like, cool.
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I love everything about what
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happened.
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Oh man, that's like a movie.
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You know, it's just like
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everything that could go wrong, dude.
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Well at least the car didn't break down
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and you end up on the side of the road. And That's
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True. That's
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True.
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Stay in Kentucky in some small town. It's all good.
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Holiday Express. You made it, you made it.
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Trip was good though. Successful trip
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Was great.
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You enjoyed, um, we, we had a great time.
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Uh, Ben's gonna be an Olympic swimmer.
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Just, oh, here you go. Um,
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If he's got your length, you, you're a, you're a limby guy
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that helps in, in swimming.
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Does, does. So anyways, great trip.
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Very good Thanksgiving. Very happy
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that we got the opportunity to go and check it out.
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And, um, I'll go back, like, I'll go back when he's like six
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and can like participate in stuff.
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But, um, no, it was cool. It's good to see
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You.
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You were at a place in Bahamas that has a nice waterpark,
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kind of famous for its waterpark, you know,
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for the kids and what have you.
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Did I talk about the waterpark at my hotel in Qatar?
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Dude, we stayed at this hotel that was like a resort
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beach side hotel.
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Okay. The hotel is fine.
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It's not like a, it's not like a fancy place,
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but it's attached to this waterpark that
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is so tough to describe to people.
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Imagine like a waterpark.
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And the set designer for Mad Max Fury Road
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got together and we're like, let's make a really big
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post apocalyptic looking waterpark.
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Like let's make sure there's tubes coming out of everything.
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Everything looks rusty and, and sandblasted.
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But like, it's a brand new state-of-the-art water park.
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Like, it's not like you almost feel bad. Yeah.
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You look like, well, there's no wes in abandoned water park.
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And I'm never sending my kid down any of those slides.
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'cause they'll get some, some sort of, you know, scrapes,
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cuts and, and subsequent diseases.
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This place had 53 water slides.
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It was the biggest waterpark I've seen by a factor of 10.
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And it looked like a movie set.
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It was unbelievable.
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And I, I I got a, I'm actually gonna, I took a video
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of it 'cause it makes no sense.
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There's this one part that goes out over the ocean
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and it looks like a floating,
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it looks like the movie Water world.
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It looks like Water World. And Mad Max had a child.
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So did you get to enjoy it at all
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or were you just too busy working the whole time?
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Yeah, no, of course not. Tim.
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I'm, I'm, I did not get to do that.
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I, I, I don't, that's wrong. That's the wrong way to word.
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Word. It. I could have, I had time to do it.
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I chose not to the,
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the main reason being some of the crew did.
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And they said it was great. Um,
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but like, if something had gone wrong
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and like we li you know, we kind of had this,
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this discussion among all the, all the presenters
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and, and commentators.
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It was like, if one of us like breaks a wrist
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or cuts something severely, like that's just,
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it's not a good time of year to do that.
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You know, we're two races to go.
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It's championship deciders coming up.
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We don't need to lose anybody at this point.
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Uh, so we opted not to,
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but it was, it was, it was, it was a thing.
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I sent you guys a video. Have a look.
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It was wild, wild experience.
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Holy
Yeah. Isn't that insane?
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Like, I'm like, okay, cool, whatever, whatever.
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And then you pan and zoom to the thing off to the right.
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Yes.
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to get to the top like Space
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Station.
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It, it looks like a space station crashed into the ocean.
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Yeah. And they made a water park out of it.
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That is incredible.
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I know. Like I, it was a big, big part of me
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that really wanted to go check it out.
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And like, the, the first day nobody did. Is it open? Yeah.
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Yeah. It opens because because it's a night race.
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It opened after we would have to leave for the track, right.
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It opened at like 11:00 AM and we normally left at like one,
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but there was the, the first day nobody went.
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The second day we're sitting in the office
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and we were talking about it.
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And there there was one guy that works in the office
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and he kinda looked around and he was like,
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yeah, I went this morning.
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We're like, yeah, wait, what? He goes, yeah, yeah.
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I just lined up at like 10 50 and waited till it opened up
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and as soon as it opened up I just spent an hour running
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around the place and doing as many slides as I could.
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I'm like, oh my God, that's amazing. How was it?
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He goes, it was awesome. You gotta do it.
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I went, there's one, uh, on Yas Marina
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that's pretty legit.
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Um, oh really? It's not, it's not to the level
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of like Mad Max is this,
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but it's like, it's a very good, like with some
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fricking fast water slides That is worth going
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to if you get the
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Time.
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I have a couple days off. 'cause I'm on,
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I staying on Yas Marina
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and I don't have anything to do for the next few.
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Yeah. So, so it's to the left
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of Ferrari World if you're leaving the island. So have
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You ever been to Ferrari world?
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I have.
Is it worth going? 'cause I've never been,
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I mean, the roller
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coaster's cool. The rest is <inaudible>.
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Okay. So probably not. I mean
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It's, it's, it's literally it the rollercoaster,
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like the launch is badass
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and then it's just a normal roller coaster
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and then you're walking around a fricking gift shop.
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Right. Like it's not Yeah.
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And it's not like we're Ferrari guys.
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We're not sitting here
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with Right. Ferraris in the garage and
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No James, what we are is Max guys.
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And so we should, we should probably talk about some Max,
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speaking of Mad Max and all these sort
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of things, max, max, max.
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I just love how you call that on the
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show.
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I also love that. Like Yeah.
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People were disagreeing
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with you pretty hard in the comments. They were
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Like people Well, yeah,
Like,
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It's so funny.
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I've never se I've never seen our comments.
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People dunno, ball people dunno, ball
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James.
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And I know ball people also have, some people also have some
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really, really bad takes in this sport.
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And we'll get to that, but
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Oh yeah,
Yeah.
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Let's, let's, let's just get stuck in man, whatever
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practice was practice qualifying was qualifying.
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Oscar did a great job, got poll track record. Track record.
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Lando was quick, but then missed his second run in Q3.
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So it was starting third max.
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Dan was second in a car
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that, I don't know, should it be second?
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Maybe, maybe not. No, probably not. And Max
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Was in second.
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Sorry, max was third. Yeah, yeah. Sorry, sorry, sorry.
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That's right. That was, it was the sprint.
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George was second. Orlando was third in the sprint. Yeah,
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That
Was.
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But yes, so, so I mean, Lando goes into the race
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with a chance to lock up the championship before
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First.
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Before, before, before we get Yeah. To the, the Yeah.
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The scenarios. Um, I just wanna talk about the track.
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Track. Like probably cool to race lap in an F1 car. Yes.
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Yeah. But like what a horrible track to race on.
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Yes. It's
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Pretty bad.
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Pretty that, that's pretty much Monaco. Like it's just, it's
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Yeah, it's horrendous.
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Yeah. Monaco was fast and fun. Right.
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And had no penalties for making a, you
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Know, I just mean in terms of like the race product itself
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felt like Monaco, like it's every,
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you can't even get within a second really.
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Um, unenjoyable,
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Go ahead.
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And, and also like Monaco, they had this
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mandatory two stop rule.
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Mm-hmm. Although in Monaco was just,
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you had a stop twice in Qatar it was,
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you can't do more than 25 laps on a set of tires.
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So you have to have two stops to make 57 laps.
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You had some freedom in when you could do it
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until, but we'll get to that.
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So it was, it was a compromise race.
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Whenever the strategy's kind of predicated on a rule, it's,
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it's almost guaranteed to be a, a bad race.
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'cause everyone's gonna do the same thing.
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And then you got a track that's really hard to pass on.
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The, the lap though is impressive, man.
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Like, you watch the onboards and like you talk to the guys
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after a, a qua run
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and they're, it's like mind blowing
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how fast they can go around these places.
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Um, really enjoyable to drive,
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but like you say, not the best race.
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So, yeah. So I mean, we're not gonna sit here
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and go through all the permutations of
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how it could have played out championship wise,
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but Lando had a shot at it off the start.
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Essentially if land, if Lando wins,
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If Lando wins, it's over.
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Yeah. If he, if he beats the other two guys,
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Scores him by what two points going into something
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Was score max by two to eliminate him.
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Uh, yeah, I think that's right. Something like that.
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Everyone kind of, everyone kind of thought,
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look, Lando had the most to lose.
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Right? So the thought was
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that he might be a little bit cautious.
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In turn one max has absolutely nothing.
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Like if Max got beat
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by Lando in any position on the race track, he was out.
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So he had to get by Lando and he did. And that's fine.
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And Lando was cruising around in third.
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Oscar was cruising around in first
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everything was hunky dory.
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And then a safety car comes out.
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The timing of the safety car is very important.
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'cause like we said, 25 lap maximum stints,
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57 lap race,
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which means the first pit window opens on lap seven
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Because seven plus 25 plus 25
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Is 57.
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Right? So you could pit on seven,
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do 25 laps pit again on 32 25 laps.
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So safety car comes out under safety car,
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your pit stop lost time is half almost of what?
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It's 26 seconds under a green, like 14 seconds car.
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Just like Indy car from where it was. Yep.
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Just like Indy car. So they come
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around the pits under the safety car
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and Oscar stays out Max,
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who is now second dives into the pits.
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So Norris goes up to third or second from third.
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Norris stays out
506
00:21:06.505 --> 00:21:09.765
and every other car except Espan, Ocon
507
00:21:10.875 --> 00:21:12.485
went into the pits.
508
00:21:13.945 --> 00:21:17.685
Uh oh. Because now Max's
509
00:21:18.345 --> 00:21:19.885
fourth, but then Ocon got a penalty.
510
00:21:19.985 --> 00:21:21.405
So he actually had to go into the pits anyway.
511
00:21:21.405 --> 00:21:24.885
So now Max's third again and he's a full pit stop ahead.
512
00:21:26.425 --> 00:21:31.195
And the collective arena that is,
513
00:21:31.195 --> 00:21:33.155
that racetrack was just like,
514
00:21:34.685 --> 00:21:37.295
what the fuck did they just do?
515
00:21:37.565 --> 00:21:38.735
What just happened here?
516
00:21:39.475 --> 00:21:42.735
And it was the most outrageous thing you've ever seen.
517
00:21:43.075 --> 00:21:46.855
Now I'm saying that in the sense of, in the moment
518
00:21:47.155 --> 00:21:50.415
as you watch it unfold, you're like, what if,
519
00:21:50.555 --> 00:21:52.295
if 18 cars do one thing
520
00:21:52.295 --> 00:21:55.175
and two cars do the other, you gotta, you gotta believe
521
00:21:55.175 --> 00:21:56.895
that the two are probably in the wrong here.
522
00:21:56.905 --> 00:22:01.535
Right? But the thought Alex has
523
00:22:01.695 --> 00:22:05.695
to be, it's a very difficult track to pass on.
524
00:22:07.505 --> 00:22:12.365
If you pit now your race is now absolutely dictated
525
00:22:12.365 --> 00:22:14.685
for you from a, from a strategy standpoint.
526
00:22:15.085 --> 00:22:16.925
'cause you have to now pit on lap 32
527
00:22:17.185 --> 00:22:19.965
or you're adding another stop and,
528
00:22:20.105 --> 00:22:25.005
and there's just no way that everybody behind us will pit.
529
00:22:25.665 --> 00:22:27.125
That's gotta be the thought, right?
530
00:22:27.315 --> 00:22:30.765
That a few guys running in the teens would roll the dice
531
00:22:30.785 --> 00:22:34.485
to get the track position at a difficult to, to pass track.
532
00:22:35.345 --> 00:22:36.805
And that would create a buffer.
533
00:22:37.105 --> 00:22:40.125
Max would come out in eighth or seventh.
534
00:22:40.665 --> 00:22:42.445
So, and he would have to cut through some guys.
535
00:22:42.445 --> 00:22:44.605
Like, is that, is that what they're thinking at this point?
536
00:22:46.105 --> 00:22:48.805
Who I, I I don't wanna hypothesize what they're thinking.
537
00:22:49.065 --> 00:22:51.205
Um, because it could be a number of things.
538
00:22:52.315 --> 00:22:53.445
What baffles me is,
539
00:22:53.545 --> 00:22:56.365
is why it wasn't an easy decision for them.
540
00:22:56.875 --> 00:22:58.045
Because mm-hmm .
541
00:22:58.625 --> 00:23:02.645
If, if the max maximum stint windows
542
00:23:03.755 --> 00:23:05.565
make this such an easy decision
543
00:23:06.595 --> 00:23:10.905
because you know that you have to,
544
00:23:11.005 --> 00:23:12.105
you have to do two stops.
545
00:23:12.105 --> 00:23:13.785
It's a rule. Okay?
546
00:23:13.845 --> 00:23:17.865
You can only do 25 laps per stint, why wouldn't you?
547
00:23:18.225 --> 00:23:21.785
Regardless really of anything that's gonna come
548
00:23:22.365 --> 00:23:24.785
in the future, why wouldn't you take a
549
00:23:25.315 --> 00:23:26.745
quote unquote free pit stop?
550
00:23:27.175 --> 00:23:29.305
Like, that's the question that I don't understand
551
00:23:30.405 --> 00:23:33.265
is now you only have one green flag stop to the end.
552
00:23:35.465 --> 00:23:38.445
In, in my mind, there's no, there's no counter argument
553
00:23:39.075 --> 00:23:40.885
that gives you a reason to not
554
00:23:41.845 --> 00:23:43.655
have only one green flag stop to the end.
555
00:23:43.935 --> 00:23:45.845
I don't know a strategist that wouldn't take that.
556
00:23:46.585 --> 00:23:47.805
So the, the, I guess is my point
557
00:23:48.505 --> 00:23:49.505
Or my confusion.
558
00:23:50.185 --> 00:23:52.085
So I, the, the message
559
00:23:52.235 --> 00:23:55.365
that land's engineer Will Joseph gave to him
560
00:23:55.905 --> 00:23:57.485
Is they have no flex flexibility anymore.
561
00:23:57.715 --> 00:23:59.685
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe, maybe actually it was Tom saw,
562
00:23:59.685 --> 00:24:01.045
maybe it was Oscar's engineer, but yeah,
563
00:24:01.045 --> 00:24:02.805
It was based No, it was, it was Will Orlando.
564
00:24:03.125 --> 00:24:04.125
'cause it was, Lando was like,
565
00:24:04.145 --> 00:24:05.765
why didn't we come in? Why didn't we follow next? Why
566
00:24:05.765 --> 00:24:06.765
Didn't we follow?
567
00:24:06.765 --> 00:24:07.925
Which is a fair question. Like right,
568
00:24:07.925 --> 00:24:09.405
if you're McLaren, why are you not splitting?
569
00:24:09.405 --> 00:24:13.885
First of all, um, if you're really, if you really think that
570
00:24:15.265 --> 00:24:18.635
staying out is the way to go, you should at least, you know,
571
00:24:18.635 --> 00:24:20.115
coming in is a viable option too.
572
00:24:20.115 --> 00:24:24.275
Should you should at least split, um, so that you're
573
00:24:24.355 --> 00:24:25.435
Covering the guy that you're racing,
574
00:24:25.645 --> 00:24:26.915
right? Like in a sense,
575
00:24:27.295 --> 00:24:28.635
You're covering the guy that you're racing.
576
00:24:29.535 --> 00:24:33.755
Um, but does this default back to
577
00:24:34.785 --> 00:24:36.875
what McLaren potentially is gonna die by?
578
00:24:37.775 --> 00:24:40.995
And they're trying to keep this so fair, they didn't want
579
00:24:41.115 --> 00:24:42.275
to put one guy on a strategy
580
00:24:42.275 --> 00:24:44.075
that could be potentially better than the other car.
581
00:24:44.415 --> 00:24:46.635
So I I then this is,
582
00:24:46.635 --> 00:24:48.555
this has obviously been a hot topic, right?
583
00:24:48.585 --> 00:24:50.635
This has been a, a, a big theory
584
00:24:50.635 --> 00:24:51.675
that's been floating around.
585
00:24:52.335 --> 00:24:56.435
Um, I don't buy that. And, and here's why.
586
00:24:57.185 --> 00:25:00.835
What makes it fair still is in any race,
587
00:25:01.775 --> 00:25:03.315
the driver that qualifies ahead
588
00:25:03.315 --> 00:25:06.875
and is running ahead on track gets priority of strategy.
589
00:25:06.935 --> 00:25:09.115
So if there are two strategies they get to pick.
590
00:25:09.695 --> 00:25:14.075
So in that situation, if land o's car wants
591
00:25:14.075 --> 00:25:15.635
to do the opposite of Oscar
592
00:25:15.735 --> 00:25:20.675
or wants to roll the dice, um, well, sorry,
593
00:25:20.965 --> 00:25:22.155
Oscar gets the priority.
594
00:25:22.155 --> 00:25:24.035
So if they thought in their heart of hearts
595
00:25:24.035 --> 00:25:26.675
that staying out was the right call, then Land's side
596
00:25:26.675 --> 00:25:27.955
of the garage has to make the decision.
597
00:25:28.055 --> 00:25:29.555
Do we wanna stick to the same strategy
598
00:25:29.655 --> 00:25:31.315
or do we want to try to do something else?
599
00:25:31.315 --> 00:25:32.795
Because he gets priority.
600
00:25:32.795 --> 00:25:33.995
So if that's what they thought was the best
601
00:25:34.055 --> 00:25:37.675
and they thought pitting was not as good, you, you, sorry.
602
00:25:37.775 --> 00:25:40.715
You lost that. Right. By not out qualifying him.
603
00:25:40.725 --> 00:25:41.875
Right. That's how it
604
00:25:41.875 --> 00:25:42.875
Worked.
605
00:25:42.875 --> 00:25:44.115
So here's, here's, here's something, here's something that
606
00:25:44.875 --> 00:25:46.975
I'm pretty sure this is how it works in F1, it's
607
00:25:46.975 --> 00:25:48.055
how it worked when I was there.
608
00:25:49.475 --> 00:25:52.495
And I know that it works this way for a number of teams.
609
00:25:52.615 --> 00:25:54.335
I don't wanna speak from McLaren,
610
00:25:54.435 --> 00:25:57.015
but I think there's one strategist who's
611
00:25:57.015 --> 00:25:58.175
making the call for both cars.
612
00:25:58.655 --> 00:26:00.575
I don't the race engineers have input,
613
00:26:01.315 --> 00:26:05.575
but it is ultimately one individual that is making Yeah.
614
00:26:05.635 --> 00:26:10.055
The decisions. So, well, I I I wonder how much each side of,
615
00:26:10.195 --> 00:26:12.095
of the garage gets an input
616
00:26:12.315 --> 00:26:14.455
or person X is like, we're doing this,
617
00:26:18.395 --> 00:26:19.535
We don't know this, this is,
618
00:26:19.675 --> 00:26:22.335
I'm now just completely speculating, right?
619
00:26:23.035 --> 00:26:26.935
My belief would be that the strategist presents
620
00:26:27.675 --> 00:26:30.935
the options and the race engineers get
621
00:26:30.935 --> 00:26:33.095
to make the final call, right?
622
00:26:33.165 --> 00:26:35.495
Like on paper, here are your options.
623
00:26:35.795 --> 00:26:37.855
And then you've gotta decide on your,
624
00:26:38.555 --> 00:26:40.375
you can't have one person making that call
625
00:26:40.375 --> 00:26:42.215
for two drivers when they're racing against each other
626
00:26:42.235 --> 00:26:43.470
for the championship, right?
627
00:26:43.470 --> 00:26:45.925
At some point you might want to take a risk on one
628
00:26:45.925 --> 00:26:47.125
of those cars, and that's not the
629
00:26:47.245 --> 00:26:48.325
decision of the strategist, right?
630
00:26:48.325 --> 00:26:50.365
That's way above their pay pay grade. Yeah.
631
00:26:50.865 --> 00:26:53.845
So I, I think it's like, here's the data, here's
632
00:26:53.845 --> 00:26:55.525
what strategy tells you.
633
00:26:55.525 --> 00:26:56.725
Here's what simulation tells you.
634
00:26:56.825 --> 00:26:59.765
Here's what I think you should do, do with that
635
00:26:59.825 --> 00:27:01.205
as you wish. I don't,
636
00:27:01.205 --> 00:27:02.845
I, I don't know that that's how
637
00:27:02.845 --> 00:27:04.565
that exists, how that works. Actually,
638
00:27:04.565 --> 00:27:05.445
Don't, I'm gonna ask that question
639
00:27:05.515 --> 00:27:06.445
this weekend. I'm gonna look
640
00:27:06.445 --> 00:27:07.445
Into that.
641
00:27:07.445 --> 00:27:07.925
I don't think that architecture is there,
642
00:27:07.925 --> 00:27:10.845
because for the most part, formula One strategy is,
643
00:27:10.945 --> 00:27:11.965
is pretty simple.
644
00:27:13.105 --> 00:27:15.905
And it's with all of the technology
645
00:27:16.205 --> 00:27:17.425
and everything that they have and
646
00:27:17.425 --> 00:27:20.545
how predictable usually the races are, right?
647
00:27:21.775 --> 00:27:24.705
It's the strategy's decided going into the race,
648
00:27:24.845 --> 00:27:26.785
all the homework's been done, the research has been done.
649
00:27:26.785 --> 00:27:29.705
So there may be a decision on the fly of a lap
650
00:27:29.705 --> 00:27:32.745
or two undercut or overcut based on, you know, how
651
00:27:33.275 --> 00:27:35.985
tired egg is happening or in position
652
00:27:35.985 --> 00:27:38.425
or out of position to start that sort of thing.
653
00:27:38.485 --> 00:27:40.545
But usually the strategy is decided
654
00:27:41.005 --> 00:27:42.745
before the green flag even drops.
655
00:27:43.765 --> 00:27:48.265
And so I think that if there was a decision that if there,
656
00:27:48.405 --> 00:27:50.145
yes, our pit window opens on seven,
657
00:27:50.845 --> 00:27:54.695
but if we're running one, two, one three, call it whatever,
658
00:27:54.945 --> 00:27:57.095
we're not gonna take it because we have such
659
00:27:57.135 --> 00:27:58.415
a clear advantage on pace.
660
00:27:58.895 --> 00:28:00.615
I don't even know that it was that big of a discussion
661
00:28:01.125 --> 00:28:02.775
Because it's interesting
662
00:28:02.775 --> 00:28:04.935
Because there was an interview with Hannah, uh,
663
00:28:05.025 --> 00:28:06.815
who's the Schmidt, I think it is SCH
664
00:28:06.875 --> 00:28:09.415
or whatever, SCH who's the, the strategist
665
00:28:09.415 --> 00:28:10.855
for Red Bull mm-hmm .
666
00:28:10.995 --> 00:28:14.655
Um, and the question was, well, were you ever in doubt,
667
00:28:15.145 --> 00:28:16.815
especially when you were being told
668
00:28:16.815 --> 00:28:21.015
that McLaren's not coming and she, her response was no.
669
00:28:21.765 --> 00:28:25.195
Like our window was open, it was under yellow.
670
00:28:25.995 --> 00:28:27.195
I I was stunned
671
00:28:27.705 --> 00:28:29.955
that they weren't taking it. It was kind of the
672
00:28:30.505 --> 00:28:32.555
Yeah, and, and she wasn't the only
673
00:28:33.745 --> 00:28:36.675
team person from various teams that said like, no, no.
674
00:28:36.675 --> 00:28:37.915
Like we work through all these,
675
00:28:37.915 --> 00:28:40.875
like in our pre-race strategy programs, we work
676
00:28:40.875 --> 00:28:41.995
through all these scenarios.
677
00:28:42.215 --> 00:28:44.035
We worked through the exact scenario
678
00:28:44.135 --> 00:28:46.355
of a safety car coming out on lap seven
679
00:28:47.015 --> 00:28:48.955
and the default is to pit.
680
00:28:49.415 --> 00:28:54.195
So it's, it's more how did McLaren miss it, right? Mm-hmm .
681
00:28:54.415 --> 00:28:56.835
And like, like Red Bull obviously get a lot of credit.
682
00:28:57.105 --> 00:28:59.075
They called it, right? They won the race. Yeah. They
683
00:28:59.075 --> 00:29:01.355
Said
Everyone else 18 , 17 other cars
684
00:29:01.505 --> 00:29:02.555
also made the right call.
685
00:29:03.175 --> 00:29:06.595
And so it's, the question is more what did McLaren miss?
686
00:29:06.665 --> 00:29:07.995
What did they think was gonna happen?
687
00:29:09.095 --> 00:29:12.955
Um, but like, I I, yeah, I gotta think that a race,
688
00:29:13.275 --> 00:29:17.035
a race engineer rather could like override
689
00:29:17.035 --> 00:29:18.515
that decision if they really wanted to.
690
00:29:18.515 --> 00:29:19.915
But I'm, I, I'll, I'm gonna look into that.
691
00:29:20.035 --> 00:29:21.475
'cause that's a great point. It's a great question.
692
00:29:22.215 --> 00:29:23.915
Um, obviously it didn't work out for them.
693
00:29:24.095 --> 00:29:25.955
Max won it by an insane amount.
694
00:29:26.535 --> 00:29:29.395
Um, which means
695
00:29:29.425 --> 00:29:32.715
that Lando leads a championship going into Abu Dhabi
696
00:29:32.895 --> 00:29:37.595
by 12 points over Max, who has now overtaken Oscar,
697
00:29:38.095 --> 00:29:41.405
who after Xandr was 104 points ahead of 'em.
698
00:29:41.405 --> 00:29:44.845
That is four full race wins
699
00:29:46.265 --> 00:29:48.405
and four points that is four
700
00:29:48.545 --> 00:29:53.085
and a bit race wins that Max has clawed back since August.
701
00:29:54.265 --> 00:29:59.225
Unbelievable out of control. Some interesting.
702
00:29:59.325 --> 00:30:02.265
And then Oscar's two, four points, I think behind Max
703
00:30:03.705 --> 00:30:06.955
some hilarious stats that came up.
704
00:30:08.055 --> 00:30:09.755
Uh, as we now have three drivers
705
00:30:10.275 --> 00:30:11.395
eligible going into the last race.
706
00:30:13.315 --> 00:30:14.835
I, I, I have not looked this one up.
707
00:30:14.915 --> 00:30:16.755
I just saw it on like a, a meme.
708
00:30:16.755 --> 00:30:18.355
So this might be inaccurate.
709
00:30:18.715 --> 00:30:21.955
I know at least the first one is, but the last I think three
710
00:30:21.975 --> 00:30:25.635
or maybe even four times that there were three drivers
711
00:30:25.775 --> 00:30:27.235
or more eligible
712
00:30:27.235 --> 00:30:29.155
for the championship going into the last race.
713
00:30:30.015 --> 00:30:33.075
The driver leading going in won the championship.
714
00:30:33.705 --> 00:30:37.665
Zero times not a great stat.
715
00:30:37.785 --> 00:30:42.185
If Orlando, now trends are meant to be broken,
716
00:30:42.185 --> 00:30:43.185
streaks are meant to be broken.
717
00:30:43.245 --> 00:30:44.825
So that doesn't actually say anything.
718
00:30:44.845 --> 00:30:48.025
But it's just an interesting point that when you're the one
719
00:30:48.025 --> 00:30:50.265
that's had the lead and it's getting whittled down
720
00:30:50.325 --> 00:30:51.625
and the pressure comes up
721
00:30:51.645 --> 00:30:53.505
and the other guys just got this hunger
722
00:30:53.525 --> 00:30:57.065
and momentum, I mean, oh man, it's so
723
00:30:57.745 --> 00:30:58.785
I, oh God.
724
00:31:00.805 --> 00:31:02.025
I'm struggling. I'm struggling.
725
00:31:02.165 --> 00:31:04.425
So I have a question
Yeah.
726
00:31:04.765 --> 00:31:05.305
To ask.
727
00:31:07.315 --> 00:31:10.265
Ariel Max is leading,
728
00:31:11.385 --> 00:31:12.385
Hmm.
729
00:31:12.605 --> 00:31:17.425
George Kimmy, whatever the second Oscar's third
730
00:31:19.045 --> 00:31:22.385
land's fourth, right? So there's four laps to
731
00:31:22.385 --> 00:31:23.385
Go.
732
00:31:23.385 --> 00:31:25.065
So preface this question, to preface this question.
733
00:31:25.085 --> 00:31:28.385
If, if Max wins, Lando has to finish third or better.
734
00:31:28.735 --> 00:31:33.185
Correct. So yeah, max George, Oscar,
735
00:31:33.575 --> 00:31:34.585
four laps to go.
736
00:31:35.455 --> 00:31:37.625
Does McLaren ask Oscar to move over?
737
00:31:38.605 --> 00:31:40.665
And if they do, does Oscar do it?
738
00:31:42.085 --> 00:31:46.585
So I think it has to be, I think so the answer is yes
739
00:31:46.605 --> 00:31:49.265
and yes because their,
740
00:31:50.755 --> 00:31:52.465
their philosophy has always been,
741
00:31:52.965 --> 00:31:53.965
Let me one up.
742
00:31:53.965 --> 00:31:54.705
You let me one up. You
743
00:31:55.415 --> 00:31:56.415
Okay?
744
00:31:56.415 --> 00:31:58.425
Okay. That's fine. I agree. I agree.
745
00:31:59.415 --> 00:32:03.505
What if it's Max Oscar George Lando
746
00:32:06.805 --> 00:32:07.395
Still? Yes.
747
00:32:08.065 --> 00:32:11.475
Give up a podium.
Yeah, it's a podium. Really?
748
00:32:11.475 --> 00:32:13.315
Who gives a <inaudible>? He's had 18 this
749
00:32:13.315 --> 00:32:14.635
year. It doesn't matter. Okay,
750
00:32:15.095 --> 00:32:17.835
So, so, because
Here's the thing, the the team is
751
00:32:17.835 --> 00:32:19.835
Just pull over and let two cars by.
752
00:32:20.625 --> 00:32:24.355
Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. It sucks.
753
00:32:24.355 --> 00:32:27.795
You think he doesn't? Because I think, I think, uh,
754
00:32:29.035 --> 00:32:31.955
I think if he doesn't, let me put it this way.
755
00:32:32.275 --> 00:32:36.035
I think he does. I think that Oscar is a, uh,
756
00:32:36.315 --> 00:32:37.635
I think he's a fierce competitor.
757
00:32:37.995 --> 00:32:39.605
I think he's a hell of a racing driver.
758
00:32:39.925 --> 00:32:41.605
I think he's world champion material.
759
00:32:43.045 --> 00:32:45.845
I think doing that, you, you, I dunno
760
00:32:45.845 --> 00:32:47.445
how long his contract is, right?
761
00:32:47.745 --> 00:32:50.565
If you do that, you are number two for the rest
762
00:32:50.705 --> 00:32:51.805
of your time at that team.
763
00:32:51.945 --> 00:32:53.485
And like you, you know that you're done there.
764
00:32:53.485 --> 00:32:55.485
Like that is the end of your career at that team.
765
00:32:55.485 --> 00:32:57.245
You'll see at your contract if you're lucky,
766
00:32:57.625 --> 00:32:59.405
and you will be relegated
767
00:32:59.405 --> 00:33:01.445
to the number two position if you go
768
00:33:01.445 --> 00:33:02.525
against the team like that.
769
00:33:02.825 --> 00:33:06.565
If you put the driver before the team, if, if that's my team
770
00:33:06.745 --> 00:33:09.885
and a driver does that, not only I <inaudible> bench him,
771
00:33:10.005 --> 00:33:12.485
I make him a reserve driver and put someone else in the car
772
00:33:12.485 --> 00:33:15.685
and make him come to the track for 24 rounds
773
00:33:15.745 --> 00:33:19.325
and sip espressos, giving tours of the garage to sponsors
774
00:33:19.705 --> 00:33:21.325
for, for disobeying the team.
775
00:33:22.085 --> 00:33:24.645
I get the mentality of a driver, obviously.
776
00:33:25.585 --> 00:33:28.925
But these programs are so big, they're so much bigger.
777
00:33:28.995 --> 00:33:30.125
This is a team sport.
778
00:33:30.425 --> 00:33:32.565
You can't sit there and make this argument
779
00:33:32.715 --> 00:33:36.245
that racing's a team sport and let one individual go
780
00:33:36.245 --> 00:33:38.205
and grenade a team season like that.
781
00:33:38.625 --> 00:33:40.085
Mm. And let 'em get away
782
00:33:40.085 --> 00:33:41.085
With it.
783
00:33:41.085 --> 00:33:45.165
No, see, I I, I get in context what you're saying,
784
00:33:45.625 --> 00:33:47.285
but the money comes from the
785
00:33:47.445 --> 00:33:48.845
constructors' championship first of all.
786
00:33:48.845 --> 00:33:50.045
Mm-hmm . So they've already won that.
787
00:33:50.785 --> 00:33:53.565
So there's no grenade the team season.
788
00:33:54.185 --> 00:33:56.485
If Lando finishes second in the world championship
789
00:33:56.485 --> 00:33:58.005
or first there isn't.
790
00:33:59.015 --> 00:34:02.925
There is by that same exact logic,
791
00:34:03.665 --> 00:34:06.085
if he does it, he's relegated to the number two driver.
792
00:34:07.125 --> 00:34:08.525
Hmm.
No.
793
00:34:08.825 --> 00:34:10.205
So if he does
794
00:34:10.205 --> 00:34:13.245
or doesn't, he's relegated to the number two driver because
795
00:34:13.465 --> 00:34:15.525
No, see, I don't, I don't, I don't think that you,
796
00:34:15.585 --> 00:34:17.325
you think just, 'cause if Lando wins it
797
00:34:17.355 --> 00:34:18.685
that next year he comes in
798
00:34:18.685 --> 00:34:20.005
with automatic number one status,
799
00:34:20.005 --> 00:34:21.205
James, I don't think so. I don't think
800
00:34:21.205 --> 00:34:22.205
So.
801
00:34:22.205 --> 00:34:24.925
James, there is, the way racing works over there,
802
00:34:25.905 --> 00:34:27.365
you are, you are defined
803
00:34:28.345 --> 00:34:30.765
by your performance against your teammate. You know this,
804
00:34:31.615 --> 00:34:32.615
Right?
805
00:34:32.615 --> 00:34:33.885
And they're right now they're almost dead
806
00:34:33.885 --> 00:34:35.125
nuts going into the last race.
807
00:34:35.255 --> 00:34:36.885
Right? So like they're very,
808
00:34:36.885 --> 00:34:38.845
even there's almost nothing between it. There's
809
00:34:38.845 --> 00:34:40.845
A big, there's a big, there's a big difference
810
00:34:40.845 --> 00:34:43.285
between your teammate winning the world driver's
811
00:34:43.285 --> 00:34:45.285
championship and finishing second and you finish third.
812
00:34:45.285 --> 00:34:48.525
There's a big difference between him finishing first
813
00:34:48.525 --> 00:34:50.085
and you finishing third versus second.
814
00:34:50.085 --> 00:34:52.845
Third. I agree. Like for sure.
815
00:34:52.955 --> 00:34:54.605
What does he, what does he owe?
816
00:34:54.825 --> 00:34:56.285
No, because it's not helping the team.
817
00:34:56.435 --> 00:35:00.405
It's helping Lando does, does he have it in his heart?
818
00:35:00.625 --> 00:35:01.565
I'm not disagreeing with you,
819
00:35:01.625 --> 00:35:02.605
I'm just playing devil's advocate.
820
00:35:02.605 --> 00:35:05.205
Yeah. Does he have it in his heart to let,
821
00:35:05.225 --> 00:35:06.245
to help Lando like that?
822
00:35:06.665 --> 00:35:08.165
That's the harder part, right?
823
00:35:08.305 --> 00:35:11.005
Is yeah, watching your teammates succeed.
824
00:35:11.065 --> 00:35:13.205
And it's not even like he's running fifth in the
825
00:35:13.205 --> 00:35:16.445
championship and he's gonna help his teammate win.
826
00:35:16.445 --> 00:35:19.125
That would be hard enough. But if you, that was the guy that
827
00:35:19.135 --> 00:35:20.565
until this race, like you had,
828
00:35:20.865 --> 00:35:22.445
you had a chance to win it too, right?
829
00:35:22.515 --> 00:35:25.765
Both of you going for your first one. I completely get it.
830
00:35:26.345 --> 00:35:28.805
And, and yes, the Constructors championship is
831
00:35:28.805 --> 00:35:31.045
where the money comes from, but the only one anybody cares
832
00:35:31.045 --> 00:35:32.165
about is a driver's championship.
833
00:35:32.535 --> 00:35:35.725
There are definitely gonna be financial incentives from
834
00:35:35.725 --> 00:35:37.720
sponsors if they win a driver's championship.
835
00:35:37.720 --> 00:35:39.580
So it would physically cost the team money.
836
00:35:40.385 --> 00:35:42.245
But it's, it's, if it's what the team asked
837
00:35:42.245 --> 00:35:43.485
Them to do, probably save the team money
838
00:35:43.485 --> 00:35:44.565
because they wouldn't have to bonus
839
00:35:44.635 --> 00:35:46.045
Outlander's World Championship,
840
00:35:46.305 --> 00:35:47.305
but
, okay.
841
00:35:47.905 --> 00:35:49.405
I'm sure those bonuses are built into
842
00:35:49.405 --> 00:35:50.525
the sponsor contracts too.
843
00:35:50.525 --> 00:35:52.445
Mm-hmm. Right? Like, but,
844
00:35:52.505 --> 00:35:55.965
but here's the thing where I disagree with you is in,
845
00:35:55.985 --> 00:35:58.325
in terms of fine if Lando wins it,
846
00:35:58.325 --> 00:35:59.485
because Oscar does that,
847
00:35:59.995 --> 00:36:02.485
that he's now the defacto number one going into 26.
848
00:36:02.485 --> 00:36:07.165
Because by that logic, again, just playing devil's advocate
849
00:36:07.265 --> 00:36:10.325
by that logic Lando came into this year as the number one,
850
00:36:11.265 --> 00:36:13.925
if the team believed that nobody at the start
851
00:36:13.925 --> 00:36:16.765
of the year thought Oscar was gonna like beat Lando straight
852
00:36:16.765 --> 00:36:18.525
up, right?
853
00:36:18.525 --> 00:36:20.765
Like Lando went on, went on such a tear the second half
854
00:36:20.765 --> 00:36:22.485
of last year, Oscar was getting better.
855
00:36:22.545 --> 00:36:24.645
But everybody thought if the McLaren was a championship
856
00:36:24.645 --> 00:36:25.965
winning car, it was like it was,
857
00:36:26.025 --> 00:36:27.405
it was Land O's deal, right?
858
00:36:27.745 --> 00:36:30.205
But they gave Oscar equal treatment, equal equipment,
859
00:36:30.255 --> 00:36:33.245
equal opportunity, any delivered,
860
00:36:33.635 --> 00:36:35.205
delivered in a way nobody expected.
861
00:36:35.505 --> 00:36:37.165
At least not yet in year three.
862
00:36:37.945 --> 00:36:39.925
So at some point they could have biased
863
00:36:39.955 --> 00:36:41.845
that towards Lando if that was the,
864
00:36:42.035 --> 00:36:44.005
what they thought was gonna happen and they didn't.
865
00:36:44.155 --> 00:36:46.605
They've actually done for all the things
866
00:36:46.605 --> 00:36:49.925
that people sit here today, the day
867
00:36:49.925 --> 00:36:51.605
after Qatar Grand Prix
868
00:36:52.225 --> 00:36:54.525
and won <inaudible> on McLaren for X, Y, z.
869
00:36:55.415 --> 00:36:57.965
There is no denying the season they've had has been
870
00:36:57.975 --> 00:37:02.805
incredible their approach to managing the driver situation.
871
00:37:03.185 --> 00:37:04.485
You may agree with it or not,
872
00:37:05.065 --> 00:37:09.045
but with what they tried to do, what they tried to achieve,
873
00:37:09.275 --> 00:37:11.405
they've handled it pretty, pretty well.
874
00:37:11.465 --> 00:37:13.685
That's a very difficult situation to
875
00:37:13.685 --> 00:37:14.685
Manage.
876
00:37:14.685 --> 00:37:15.485
I, I agree. So you,
877
00:37:15.665 --> 00:37:17.405
you think they blow all that up at the end?
878
00:37:18.715 --> 00:37:19.725
Because people, I
879
00:37:19.725 --> 00:37:20.725
Don't think it's blowing it up,
880
00:37:22.345 --> 00:37:23.345
Up their whole thing.
881
00:37:23.345 --> 00:37:27.525
Their whole ethos has been we are this fair
882
00:37:28.455 --> 00:37:30.725
equal opportunity employer, right?
883
00:37:30.785 --> 00:37:35.565
We want both our guys to have the same until now
884
00:37:36.815 --> 00:37:39.045
Until one of them can't win it.
885
00:37:39.385 --> 00:37:42.645
So my point was gonna be, it would be on the last lap
886
00:37:42.645 --> 00:37:45.045
because if on the last lap, if you cross the line like that,
887
00:37:45.075 --> 00:37:48.085
your boy can't win it, but your other guy can.
888
00:37:48.665 --> 00:37:50.325
So if they're in that third and fourth scenario,
889
00:37:50.995 --> 00:37:53.405
I'll give 'em to the last lap in case Max George
890
00:37:53.405 --> 00:37:54.725
and Kimmy all crash into each other.
891
00:37:54.745 --> 00:37:56.045
And then he <inaudible> wins the whole thing.
892
00:37:56.425 --> 00:37:58.925
But if there's no mathematical way for him to win
893
00:37:59.075 --> 00:38:00.885
with those three cars crossing the line in front of him,
894
00:38:01.155 --> 00:38:02.565
then you're sticking to your, your,
895
00:38:03.235 --> 00:38:04.645
your whole philosophy still.
896
00:38:04.945 --> 00:38:06.085
All right, well it's,
897
00:38:06.085 --> 00:38:07.085
Here's we'll see man.
898
00:38:07.405 --> 00:38:08.565
Interesting. We'll see it's interesting.
899
00:38:08.565 --> 00:38:11.085
It's, it's, but so the, the other, 'cause
900
00:38:11.085 --> 00:38:13.045
I can guarantee you, I can guarantee you something Max is
901
00:38:13.045 --> 00:38:14.165
winning in Abu Dhabi.
902
00:38:14.345 --> 00:38:19.045
So , the scenario that plays out behind him is going
903
00:38:19.045 --> 00:38:20.565
to be awesome to,
904
00:38:20.755 --> 00:38:21.755
That is the thing man.
905
00:38:21.875 --> 00:38:23.405
Does that play into your guys' head?
906
00:38:23.405 --> 00:38:26.845
Like when, when you're in a position like that where
907
00:38:27.425 --> 00:38:31.425
not only do you have to win, but somebody else has to finish
908
00:38:31.645 --> 00:38:33.305
and it's totally outta your control.
909
00:38:33.775 --> 00:38:36.050
Like how does that affect you? You going in? No, no.
910
00:38:36.050 --> 00:38:37.605
You just, it doesn't matter. Just
911
00:38:37.665 --> 00:38:38.665
Win.
912
00:38:38.665 --> 00:38:39.725
We, you, you can't focus,
913
00:38:39.785 --> 00:38:41.445
you can't change the other guy's day, right?
914
00:38:41.445 --> 00:38:43.285
Like you can't control what you can't control.
915
00:38:43.345 --> 00:38:45.125
So you just focus on what's in your
916
00:38:45.125 --> 00:38:46.445
control, which is trying to win that race.
917
00:38:46.665 --> 00:38:50.845
And then whatever happens, happens, um, max just has to hope
918
00:38:50.845 --> 00:38:52.885
that those guys choke.
919
00:38:53.165 --> 00:38:54.885
'cause they, they should be 1, 2, 3, you know,
920
00:38:54.885 --> 00:38:56.525
they qualified 1, 2, 3 in Qatar,
921
00:38:56.525 --> 00:38:58.005
it's top three in the championship as
922
00:38:58.005 --> 00:38:59.005
They should.
923
00:38:59.005 --> 00:39:00.085
No, but so, so here's, here's where,
924
00:39:00.585 --> 00:39:01.965
and you called this a while ago.
925
00:39:02.235 --> 00:39:03.365
It's, George is gonna,
926
00:39:04.045 --> 00:39:05.685
Mercedes is gonna dictate this championship
927
00:39:05.785 --> 00:39:07.405
and really the only reason that George
928
00:39:08.185 --> 00:39:10.485
wasn't in a better position in Qatar is
929
00:39:10.645 --> 00:39:13.405
'cause when everyone came into pit lane, he got super boned.
930
00:39:13.645 --> 00:39:15.165
'cause he couldn't, was trapped in his box.
931
00:39:15.565 --> 00:39:18.005
I fully expect George and
932
00:39:18.025 --> 00:39:20.525
or Kimmy to be in the top four in qualifying.
933
00:39:21.225 --> 00:39:23.965
So as Toto has made it very clear
934
00:39:24.225 --> 00:39:26.165
and we'll, we'll touch on this right before we close.
935
00:39:26.355 --> 00:39:28.765
They're fighting for second in the construction
936
00:39:28.765 --> 00:39:30.045
championship against Red Bull.
937
00:39:30.265 --> 00:39:31.525
So they're not really willing
938
00:39:31.525 --> 00:39:33.285
to give up any points at this point.
939
00:39:33.665 --> 00:39:35.725
Nor why would they, 'cause let's be honest,
940
00:39:36.195 --> 00:39:38.445
they probably don't wanna see a customer team
941
00:39:38.745 --> 00:39:40.645
win a world championship. Like
942
00:39:40.785 --> 00:39:41.445
For sure. Not
943
00:39:42.025 --> 00:39:43.025
For sure not.
944
00:39:43.035 --> 00:39:44.285
It's, it's actually an interesting point though
945
00:39:44.285 --> 00:39:46.605
because like it's either a team with their own engine,
946
00:39:46.605 --> 00:39:47.765
beating them with their own game
947
00:39:48.265 --> 00:39:50.805
or it's the team that they hate more than ever.
948
00:39:51.145 --> 00:39:53.445
And you know, like Mercedes isn't
949
00:39:53.445 --> 00:39:54.485
a lose lose situation here.
950
00:39:54.485 --> 00:39:55.445
Yeah. Like no matter who wins,
951
00:39:55.445 --> 00:39:56.405
they're gonna be pretty upset.
952
00:39:57.115 --> 00:39:58.445
True. Um,
953
00:39:59.545 --> 00:40:01.525
but yeah, I think, I think this is gonna come down
954
00:40:01.545 --> 00:40:03.685
to if Lando is to win this
955
00:40:04.385 --> 00:40:07.965
and wants to win this, he needs to hope that George
956
00:40:08.585 --> 00:40:09.885
and Kimmy aren't that strong.
957
00:40:10.285 --> 00:40:13.045
'cause we know Ferrari is lost. Um, yeah.
958
00:40:13.825 --> 00:40:16.525
And quite frankly, there's no one else close enough in pace.
959
00:40:16.905 --> 00:40:19.725
So Yeah. Um, be very interesting to see. They're
960
00:40:19.725 --> 00:40:20.725
Gonna play a part.
961
00:40:20.725 --> 00:40:21.405
They're gonna play a part. It's
962
00:40:21.405 --> 00:40:22.405
A, it's a shame.
963
00:40:22.405 --> 00:40:25.965
It's a shame that it, I'm not, I'm not on Yuki.
964
00:40:26.155 --> 00:40:28.085
It's really a shame Max doesn't have help
965
00:40:28.195 --> 00:40:30.925
because Yeah, man, what a and
966
00:40:30.985 --> 00:40:32.685
and what a predicament re bulls in
967
00:40:32.685 --> 00:40:36.165
because imagine how much easier all this could be if they
968
00:40:36.165 --> 00:40:37.205
had another car up there.
969
00:40:37.985 --> 00:40:39.965
Um, just like Sergio. It'd be done.
970
00:40:39.965 --> 00:40:41.525
Who, who helped be done. Who. Yeah,
971
00:40:41.525 --> 00:40:42.525
Exactly.
972
00:40:42.525 --> 00:40:45.085
We, we were just, we were having this conversation at dinner
973
00:40:45.085 --> 00:40:48.165
tonight, was like, man, you forget how big
974
00:40:48.165 --> 00:40:50.005
of a part Checko played in 21.
975
00:40:50.505 --> 00:40:53.405
Yes. It, it's, it's easy to forget how big a part
976
00:40:53.405 --> 00:40:55.485
that he played and like when you, when that, when
977
00:40:55.485 --> 00:40:56.565
that person's not there, when
978
00:40:56.565 --> 00:40:57.805
that wingman's not there mm-hmm .
979
00:40:57.885 --> 00:40:59.685
It's easy to forget that like the teammate,
980
00:40:59.835 --> 00:41:01.925
even if it's like the number two guy can
981
00:41:01.925 --> 00:41:03.805
really, really helped us.
982
00:41:03.805 --> 00:41:05.885
It's funny, it's funny how bad they thought he was.
983
00:41:06.105 --> 00:41:07.965
And now in hindsight they're probably like, huh,
984
00:41:09.035 --> 00:41:10.965
dude, I've said it before.
985
00:41:11.345 --> 00:41:14.445
The only guy I've ever seen that gets fired takes a year off
986
00:41:14.505 --> 00:41:17.245
and his stock goes up without ever getting back in the car.
987
00:41:17.315 --> 00:41:20.965
Like his, his program went up also insane.
988
00:41:20.965 --> 00:41:23.405
That Red Bull is ahead of Ferrari in the championship
989
00:41:23.435 --> 00:41:26.965
with basically one guy scoring points like Max for stepin.
990
00:41:27.265 --> 00:41:29.605
Max for Stepin is gonna beat Ferrari in
991
00:41:29.605 --> 00:41:30.645
the Constructors championship
992
00:41:31.225 --> 00:41:32.225
Lately.
993
00:41:32.225 --> 00:41:34.685
Lately Ferrari's, I won guy's scoring points. Two .
994
00:41:35.635 --> 00:41:38.685
Dude, even that barely, I mean
995
00:41:38.685 --> 00:41:40.285
that thing has just been rough.
996
00:41:40.395 --> 00:41:42.365
Yeah, yeah. But no, so you mentioned it
997
00:41:42.365 --> 00:41:43.845
and we gotta, we've gotta touch on it.
998
00:41:44.025 --> 00:41:47.365
The, you know, the points gap could have been 10 points, um,
999
00:41:47.905 --> 00:41:49.525
coming in to this race.
1000
00:41:49.665 --> 00:41:53.205
But with two laps to go, Antonelli getting chased down
1001
00:41:53.205 --> 00:41:54.805
by Lando makes a mistake. One
1002
00:41:54.805 --> 00:41:59.005
Lap to go,
One lap to go makes a mistake and uh,
1003
00:41:59.025 --> 00:42:03.365
or yeah, on the second last lap, um, in turn 10 goes wide,
1004
00:42:03.495 --> 00:42:05.885
Lando gets by, gets fourth instead of fifth.
1005
00:42:06.225 --> 00:42:08.405
Now that is very important in the championship
1006
00:42:08.405 --> 00:42:11.725
because if Max wins Lando can finish third and still win it.
1007
00:42:11.865 --> 00:42:12.965
Had he not made that pass
1008
00:42:13.025 --> 00:42:15.965
or Kimmy not made that mistake, that would not be the case.
1009
00:42:16.025 --> 00:42:18.325
If Max won Lando would have to be second.
1010
00:42:18.425 --> 00:42:21.405
So he, he bought himself the buffer of Oscar being in
1011
00:42:21.405 --> 00:42:22.605
between, which, I mean
1012
00:42:22.605 --> 00:42:24.325
that could literally have dictated everything,
1013
00:42:25.225 --> 00:42:27.765
but it was not intentional.
1014
00:42:28.995 --> 00:42:32.845
Unfortunately. It took the broadcast a couple seconds
1015
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to show the replay.
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'cause when you first see it, you just see Kimmy offline
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and Lando going by
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00:42:38.505 --> 00:42:40.605
and you kind of think, man, what just happened there?
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But to your point about Toto,
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they're still trying to win a championship.
1021
00:42:44.365 --> 00:42:46.245
They're not giving points away, especially not
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to a customer team.
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The, the, the subsequent online hate
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00:42:54.885 --> 00:42:58.895
that Kimie Antonelli got for something he did not do
1025
00:43:00.195 --> 00:43:01.495
is absolutely insane.
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The poor kid blacked out his own photo on his Instagram.
1027
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So that way when you search his name,
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you can't just automatically tell which one's him.
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'cause I'm sure there's a lot of fake
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Kimmy Antonelli counts out there.
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Death threats and <inaudible>. Guys, I love passionate fans.
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You're the reason that we have sports not just racing all
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00:43:18.975 --> 00:43:23.815
sports, there's just no world in which a pass
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00:43:23.875 --> 00:43:27.655
for fourth and fifth in a race, regardless
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00:43:27.715 --> 00:43:30.575
of the subsequent outcomes that could come as a result of
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00:43:30.575 --> 00:43:32.615
that is worth you going online
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00:43:32.675 --> 00:43:34.695
and threatening a 19-year-old kid's life.
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00:43:34.925 --> 00:43:37.175
Like, what are we doing here? That's insane.
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Retweet, retweet.
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I just, I feel so bad for him.
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He's gonna have a terrible week after a great weekend.
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You know, he's a, he's a kid man, he's 19
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00:43:46.715 --> 00:43:48.015
and he's having to deal with the pressure
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of being a Formula one driver.
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00:43:49.075 --> 00:43:52.055
And now he's gotta deal with the pressure of some small sect
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00:43:52.055 --> 00:43:54.815
of social media calling for his head
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00:43:55.235 --> 00:43:56.335
for something he did not do.
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00:43:56.515 --> 00:43:57.655
So, but the other thing that's interesting
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00:43:57.655 --> 00:43:58.935
about it, sorry, go. Oh,
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00:43:58.935 --> 00:44:02.295
I was gonna say, I mean like helmet Marco kind
1051
00:44:02.295 --> 00:44:04.575
of played into this discourse by by saying,
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and like that's somebody who should know better.
1053
00:44:06.525 --> 00:44:09.935
Well, ye yes, but also, no, he's not a great example.
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He's kind of checked out from
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00:44:12.115 --> 00:44:13.775
how the world works in this sense.
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But the, the, the, the point that I was thinking about,
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which I would love your opinion on this,
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the helmet Marco stuff came after the race.
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Mine, not yours, Tim, the helmet Marco stuff came
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after the race in a in an article.
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And if that's, if you follow the sport enough
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to be looking up articles of, of uh,
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00:44:33.425 --> 00:44:35.525
of Hel Marcos quotes, fine.
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00:44:36.905 --> 00:44:39.205
But on the broadcast, which is when the most number
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of people are gonna see what's happening,
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there was a radio message played from Max's engineer GP
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to Max that said, oh yeah, it looks like Kim mullet,
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Lando buy before we had seen the replay
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of him making very clearly a mistake.
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That is where a lot of people jumped, excuse me,
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jumped on this conspiracy theory.
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Right? So G's now getting a bunch of flack too.
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I don't love that a race engineer talking
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to his driver in the heat of competition has
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to think about filtering what he says because of that.
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Because, because Kimmy Antonelli could get death
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threats as a result.
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I'm not sure. I love the fact that the broadcast,
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I'm not saying that like obviously we obviously like the
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broadcast played it, it's they get all the radio,
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they choose what to play, it's fine.
1082
00:45:29.385 --> 00:45:31.725
It, it makes me wonder if we should be broadcasting radio
1083
00:45:31.725 --> 00:45:33.925
messages at all because the number
1084
00:45:33.925 --> 00:45:35.085
of times drivers get <inaudible>
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00:45:35.425 --> 00:45:38.005
for saying stuff in the heat of the moment, you know,
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00:45:38.025 --> 00:45:39.365
and I know it is entertaining.
1087
00:45:39.605 --> 00:45:43.205
I I love hearing it sometimes too. I, I, I'm guilty of that.
1088
00:45:43.465 --> 00:45:46.045
But when we've now got this sport to a point
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where a guy whose job has nothing to do with that, like
1090
00:45:49.745 --> 00:45:52.365
he should not have to worry about that stuff in his role.
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00:45:52.905 --> 00:45:55.045
You could argue that the driver, you know, knows
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what they sign up for or whatever.
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00:45:56.225 --> 00:45:57.525
But like again, heat
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00:45:57.525 --> 00:45:59.365
of the battle comp competitive environment,
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00:45:59.715 --> 00:46:01.645
even asking drivers to filter to themselves is
1096
00:46:04.025 --> 00:46:07.485
but for the engineer to have the power to say something out
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00:46:07.485 --> 00:46:09.245
of context or, or misrepresented
1098
00:46:09.445 --> 00:46:10.565
'cause he didn't have all the information
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00:46:11.185 --> 00:46:14.165
and it leading to this poor kid getting
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00:46:14.165 --> 00:46:15.405
death threats on social media.
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00:46:15.475 --> 00:46:17.965
Like that's a we've think about No, I think think
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00:46:17.965 --> 00:46:19.885
Doing here, I think this is a, I don't, no,
1103
00:46:19.885 --> 00:46:23.645
this is a societal problem that has been instigated
1104
00:46:23.705 --> 00:46:26.805
by social media is we don't need to filter radio messages.
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00:46:27.105 --> 00:46:30.205
We need to take away social media accounts from jackasses.
1106
00:46:30.855 --> 00:46:33.525
There you go. That's
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00:46:33.685 --> 00:46:34.605
Probably, there should be an IQ
1108
00:46:34.605 --> 00:46:35.645
test before you're allowed to have
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00:46:35.645 --> 00:46:36.645
Twitter
.
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00:46:37.865 --> 00:46:38.965
Is this your way of telling me
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00:46:39.005 --> 00:46:40.045
I need to delete my account?
1112
00:46:40.625 --> 00:46:41.805
No, you're not a jackass. No .
1113
00:46:44.065 --> 00:46:45.445
We just don't like what you say on it.
1114
00:46:45.795 --> 00:46:47.285
Yeah. Your tweets are pretty lame.
1115
00:46:48.325 --> 00:46:51.525
I had feel like I had a banger about jumping off
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00:46:51.565 --> 00:46:52.645
a bridge the other day.
1117
00:46:52.905 --> 00:46:56.085
No, your tweets like, I I wanna know what inspires you
1118
00:46:56.085 --> 00:46:58.485
to actually do the build a tweet
1119
00:46:58.955 --> 00:47:01.325
because it's honestly which tweet?
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00:47:01.385 --> 00:47:02.805
If all my friends were jumping off a
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00:47:02.805 --> 00:47:04.165
bridge, I probably would too.
1122
00:47:04.305 --> 00:47:06.245
All of them question mark. They have to know something.
1123
00:47:06.245 --> 00:47:08.285
Right? That's not tweet. It's a banger approach.
1124
00:47:09.145 --> 00:47:12.045
, that's that's a great tweet. I may be old fashioned.
1125
00:47:12.265 --> 00:47:15.365
Oh not that one. I don't know if this is a sign of aging
1126
00:47:15.365 --> 00:47:17.205
or not, but I just got a new toaster
1127
00:47:17.385 --> 00:47:20.205
and I'm psyched about it. Yeah. Not even a
1128
00:47:20.805 --> 00:47:21.805
I did see that one.
1129
00:47:22.565 --> 00:47:24.125
I did see that one and I thought that was pretty,
1130
00:47:24.125 --> 00:47:25.765
you're too young to tweet stuff like that.
1131
00:47:26.405 --> 00:47:28.725
Designed and 3D printed modular shelves
1132
00:47:29.025 --> 00:47:30.925
for my daughter's cool daughter's duck collection.
1133
00:47:31.275 --> 00:47:33.845
There's just a lot of questions about all of that.
1134
00:47:34.155 --> 00:47:35.445
Yeah, I thought it was pretty cool.
1135
00:47:36.305 --> 00:47:37.805
And I was, the bridge one was,
1136
00:47:38.005 --> 00:47:41.045
'cause I was, I was out, uh, at Culver City with Kenna
1137
00:47:41.045 --> 00:47:42.645
and we were walking around and I forget what she said,
1138
00:47:42.665 --> 00:47:44.885
but like, I, I had done something
1139
00:47:45.045 --> 00:47:46.405
'cause everybody in front of us had done it.
1140
00:47:46.405 --> 00:47:47.845
She goes, would you jump off a bridge if
1141
00:47:47.845 --> 00:47:49.005
all your friends jumped off a bridge?
1142
00:47:49.005 --> 00:47:51.445
Just like, probably like they would, right?
1143
00:47:51.445 --> 00:47:52.725
Like if they were all doing it.
1144
00:47:53.075 --> 00:47:54.765
Like they have to know it's not that tall.
1145
00:47:54.955 --> 00:47:58.085
Like I have a lot of independent minded friends.
1146
00:47:58.325 --> 00:47:59.485
I feel like they know something
1147
00:47:59.485 --> 00:48:01.605
that I don't if they're all gonna jump off of it
1148
00:48:01.865 --> 00:48:03.125
Or were you just like gonna be sad
1149
00:48:03.125 --> 00:48:04.285
that all your friends were gone?
1150
00:48:04.675 --> 00:48:05.675
Yeah. You have too much fomo.
1151
00:48:05.885 --> 00:48:08.525
I have a lot of fomo.
I figure like a lot of fomo.
1152
00:48:08.785 --> 00:48:10.405
If all my friends jumped off,
1153
00:48:10.955 --> 00:48:12.365
then like worst case scenario,
1154
00:48:12.595 --> 00:48:14.485
I've got a soft landing, right.
1155
00:48:14.485 --> 00:48:15.325
Because I'm hitting .
1156
00:48:19.865 --> 00:48:20.085
So
1157
00:48:20.225 --> 00:48:21.365
See that's how you, that's
1158
00:48:21.365 --> 00:48:23.525
how you should have finished the tweet that's
1159
00:48:24.085 --> 00:48:26.605
funnier than they must have known something .
1160
00:48:27.195 --> 00:48:29.365
Yeah. Worst case scenario. I got a softer landing.
1161
00:48:29.385 --> 00:48:30.845
That's, I just feel like you two
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00:48:30.845 --> 00:48:33.525
Wouldn't jump off a bridge without doing some research on
1163
00:48:33.525 --> 00:48:36.405
the safety of, of the bridge jump. Right? Like
1164
00:48:36.545 --> 00:48:38.085
It is a flawed anecdote, isn't it?
1165
00:48:38.155 --> 00:48:40.485
Like I know that was a popular one when we were kids
1166
00:48:40.745 --> 00:48:43.005
or even when our parents were kids.
1167
00:48:43.085 --> 00:48:44.685
I feel like that one's a few generations old,
1168
00:48:45.145 --> 00:48:49.685
but uh, yeah, that wasn't a very practical, realistic one.
1169
00:48:49.865 --> 00:48:51.565
And a banger tweet. I'm gonna
1170
00:48:51.685 --> 00:48:53.285
retweet it from the offtrack account. It
1171
00:48:53.285 --> 00:48:54.485
Should, it should be more like,
1172
00:48:54.745 --> 00:48:56.285
if your friends are gonna drink eight
1173
00:48:56.285 --> 00:48:58.125
beers, are you gonna join 'em? Yeah.
1174
00:48:58.275 --> 00:49:02.725
Obviously that's Monday.
Yeah, of course I am. I'm I'm
1175
00:49:02.725 --> 00:49:04.565
Prob probably gonna have nine just
1176
00:49:04.565 --> 00:49:06.165
to show them I can drink more.
1177
00:49:06.465 --> 00:49:10.205
All right, well it's Monday morning so you can go back
1178
00:49:10.225 --> 00:49:11.405
and verify that I'm doing this.
1179
00:49:11.545 --> 00:49:12.725
I'm gonna go ahead and retweet
1180
00:49:12.725 --> 00:49:14.285
that bridge one from the off track account.
1181
00:49:14.645 --> 00:49:16.885
'cause that's a banger. Okay.
1182
00:49:16.965 --> 00:49:19.085
I hate that you have the power to do that,
1183
00:49:20.315 --> 00:49:21.315
Guys.
1184
00:49:21.385 --> 00:49:25.045
Um, talk to you next week when we have a five
1185
00:49:25.045 --> 00:49:26.405
time world champion.
1186
00:49:26.865 --> 00:49:29.205
Cannot wait. . Alright. Calling it I saw you meant he
1187
00:49:29.205 --> 00:49:30.245
Was gonna be on here.
1188
00:49:30.725 --> 00:49:32.965
I was like, no. Wait, are we getting mad? Definitely not.
1189
00:49:33.995 --> 00:49:36.325
Look, I know we're a news, we're a news breaking outlet
1190
00:49:36.325 --> 00:49:38.125
now, but I don't think we can get the, uh,
1191
00:49:38.905 --> 00:49:40.085
the world champion on.
1192
00:49:40.485 --> 00:49:43.285
I got all excited. I got all excited that I was like, no,
1193
00:49:43.285 --> 00:49:44.605
you would've known before now.
1194
00:49:44.795 --> 00:49:45.925
Like that would've been .
1195
00:49:46.425 --> 00:49:48.085
We would've been like, Hey, we're talking to Max.
1196
00:49:48.355 --> 00:49:50.765
Like he's not gonna reveal
1197
00:49:50.765 --> 00:49:51.765
That.
1198
00:49:51.765 --> 00:49:52.685
Imagine I just told you we had a guest lined up.
1199
00:49:53.075 --> 00:49:55.125
Imagine I told you we had a guest lined up
1200
00:49:55.125 --> 00:49:56.325
and just didn't tell you who it was
1201
00:49:56.345 --> 00:49:58.485
and it just happened to be like Mac. Yeah.
1202
00:49:58.485 --> 00:50:01.125
You kind of did that once you guys gave me like a day
1203
00:50:01.125 --> 00:50:02.885
notice that we were doing the big, uh,
1204
00:50:03.245 --> 00:50:04.485
Andretti announcement one .
1205
00:50:06.105 --> 00:50:07.685
Oh, that's, that's plenty of time.
1206
00:50:07.805 --> 00:50:09.485
I mean, like, literally we log on, I'm like, hey,
1207
00:50:09.485 --> 00:50:11.245
just send this, uh, send the link to this email
1208
00:50:11.345 --> 00:50:14.405
and I'm just like, m for step1@aol.com. ,
1209
00:50:16.265 --> 00:50:20.085
Uh,
Tappin thirty3@aol.com gmail. I
1210
00:50:20.085 --> 00:50:23.005
Would like it if he was like Gmail, like four, like there,
1211
00:50:23.035 --> 00:50:25.725
like he was the fourth tappin to get to it.
1212
00:50:25.915 --> 00:50:27.245
Yeah, I'm sure he wasn't the first
1213
00:50:27.805 --> 00:50:29.925
because like he's a he's a kid, right?
1214
00:50:29.925 --> 00:50:32.005
Yeah. Like email addresses started a while ago.
1215
00:50:32.005 --> 00:50:34.565
Anyway, we're getting off track. Yeah. What, what Alex said,
1216
00:50:36.075 --> 00:50:37.485
This has been off track with Hinch
1217
00:50:37.485 --> 00:50:39.045
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00:50:39.045 --> 00:50:41.245
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00:50:42.725 --> 00:50:45.005
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