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Hey everybody, Tim here.
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So what you're about to hear was supposed
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to be our Thursday episode, our main episode this week.
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And between, uh, then
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and now, uh, I got some communication, had some, uh,
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special opportunity come up.
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So we're actually doing a special episode
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that will be released a little later on Thursday.
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So we figured we'd give this to you, uh,
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for our Tuesday episode.
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Enjoy, and, uh, see you Thursday.
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You, you don't wanna miss that one.
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This is, is off track.
Oh, lost Alex.
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That I love not having the worst internet
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anymore.
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Hello and welcome to Off Track with Hinch
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and Tim Rossi was here momentarily and now he's left.
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Okay. Wasn't he having internet problems the other day too?
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Yeah, I mean this with every bit of respect, James,
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you look exhausted.
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You know what, Tim? I accept that with every bit
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of respect, , because it's an accurate description.
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Um, I am exhausted.
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It's exhausting, uh, doing television,
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live television for lots of hours, uh, on a,
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on a day in a weekend in a different country when
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you're not been sleeping great.
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You know, uh, Brazil is, is is a beautiful place.
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Uh, it has a lot going for it.
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What I can tell you is
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that the specific hotel in Brazil in which I am staying, uh,
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on this, on this endeavor here with, with the Grand Prix,
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not the most comfortable bed I've ever slept in,
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if I'm being totally honest with you.
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Um, and I've been here for a minute now.
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And so it's a lot of, not the best sleeps followed by a lot
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of long days of the track, but, um, you know, you know,
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you also look like <inaudible>, but for no reason. So, ,
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Yeah, I've been painting, uh,
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I've been painting the walls in my apartment
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because I've been here like 12
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years and I've never done that.
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So like, there's just scuffs and stuff all over.
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I don't think I'm supposed to be paying in it,
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but I figure I've been here 12 years.
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I'm not getting the safety deposit back anyway.
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Um, yeah, I don't think they're going
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to hold back your safety deposit money
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for making it look nicer. I don't think that's,
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I mean, we'll, we'll see.
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Actually, I did give you a lot of credit though.
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80 degrees. You did all the painting yourself.
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Yeah, but it's like 80 degrees,
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so it's kind of warm today.
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So I just finished putting on another coat
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of paint on the walls above the stairs and I'm hot.
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That's why I look like that.
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I just generally don't care about my appearance.
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That was more of that. I didn't think you looked.
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It's different than normal. Yeah. Um, alright. Assume
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We got Alex back. Where are you Alex?
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I'm at my house. Tim. It's in Kelly's
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Office.
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Kelly's office. That makes sense.
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So Alex's screen name is not, not tired.
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And based on the general demeanor that we're seeing in front
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of him, we thought maybe I was the more tired one,
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but I I don't think that's true.
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Um, how, how you doing, pal? I'm fine.
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I don't have internet. That works.
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What's the latest with that? Why is that a thing still?
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I don't know, James. Anyways. All right. Here I am.
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Uh, I'm gonna be honest.
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I didn't watch, uh, I didn't watch F1. How'd it go? Well,
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Even if you did, your opinion would probably
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be very wrong. So just trying
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To get the conversation going.
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Good to see you too though,
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pal.
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I mean, Alex, do we wanna start with, with you?
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And, and well, let's start with you. Let's start with you.
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I don't care. I, I I just wanna start with you.
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I wanna start with, first of all, just, just how you do it.
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'cause fine. You, you seem, you seem, well, your,
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your name says you're tired.
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I'm not gonna say you seem tired.
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I'm gonna say your name says you're tired.
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Are you, are you tired, pal? No.
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Are you okay?
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Um, okay, we'll go all the way back there,
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but we'll go all the way back to Phoenix.
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Uh, you were in Phoenix, uh, not that long ago.
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Doing some tire testing for Firestone, um,
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for our triumphant return to Phoenix in a double header
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extravaganza with NASCAR next day.
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Mm-hmm . April, I think
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March,
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or, yeah, March. March May set. Yeah,
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Definitely March.
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Um, definitely March. Yeah. No, you would know.
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Uh, how'd it go? How was it? How was it? How was it?
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The tire test itself, uh, went great
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because it was, I have to um,
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Tip your hat because he's tipping his hat.
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Folks tip my hat on iPhones and Apple watches
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To Firestone
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because I think that rightly
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or wrongly, tire manufacturers come
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under a lot of criticism.
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Um, and there is a lot of expectation that
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they have placed on them, um, to solve a lot
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of the problems of racing.
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Whether that be, um, the quality of the racing,
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the general dis distinguishing factors between compounds,
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um, all while their company
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bottom line is directly affected by whether
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or not the tires fail.
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Um, because if Firestone Tires are failing,
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that will have a direct impact on, you know,
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Firestone sales on Monday.
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If Firestone tires don't degrade enough
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or degrade slightly too much,
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that's not gonna have an impact
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on Firestone sales on Monday.
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So it's a, it's a difficult job for all manufacturers
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because the series and the drivers
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and the teams are looking to them
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to create a tire that makes great racing.
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Um, and that feels good and that it performs well.
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Um, and ultimately they want to do that as well.
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But their number one priority is the safety of, of the cars
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and the drivers and, and the end product
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being durable enough to, to meet the standards.
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Um, so with that being said, they brought,
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I wanna say almost 20 different types of tires.
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Oh my God. That is ranging from compounds to constructions
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that's ranging from sizes stagger.
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Yeah.
Which is, which is in the stagger realm
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and also in wits,
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which is something Oh, very new.
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That is super new. Um, super new.
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And I don't want to get into a lot of the details
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'cause I don't know how much of it will actually come back,
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um, for the race in March
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because they have to do a lot of post-test analysis of, of
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how these varying tires and,
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and those combinations held up.
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So they'll take all the tires back, they'll cut 'em open,
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they'll put 'em under a microscope and,
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and kind of look through all the data and,
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and see, okay, that tire may have been great on track,
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but we're not confident in, in its durability across 26 cars
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for a whole stint, that sort of thing.
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So I'm not gonna go into what was good or what was better
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and what was worse, but the fact that there was
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so many options
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and that there was such an effort put into this test, um,
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really was cool to see.
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And, and talking to, to Scott, um, Dixon about it,
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he was like, man, I haven't met a part
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of a tire test like this in a better part of it decade.
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You know? Um, and, and there's a lot of reasons for that.
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You know, there's sometimes a tire test that is happening
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because there's a very clear directive, um,
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from either them or from IndyCar.
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Like, we have to solve X problem, that's it.
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that solves X problem is the tire we're gonna go with.
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This is a little bit unique in the sense
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that we're going back to a track that we haven't been
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to in, in 10 years.
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Right. Um, the car is wildly different than, than it is,
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than it was last time we were there.
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But also I think Firestone is very aware that they,
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they have a, a huge influence on our racing product,
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especially on the short ovals.
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I think, in a, in a lot of ways.
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And so it was a two day test.
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Um, we did between us, I think over a thousand laps.
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Um, wow. So it was, it was, it was really cool to be a part
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of and, and I left there being pretty blown away with the,
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the effort that everyone put into to that test.
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So two thumbs up from me, that
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Is a monumental effort.
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'cause I've, I've been part of tire tests
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that I've never heard those kind of numbers.
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I mean two days, 20 different tires to bring. Um,
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And I never, I never left pit lane once.
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Once. So we, the first, second one,
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the first day we had two sets of tires
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to get the balance right, right?
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Like, we haven't been there in forever.
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We have no idea what a balance you need, right.
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Height, whatever, that sort of thing.
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Um, Scott and I had to get our eye, eye in and,
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and figure that out after that.
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Which was, I want to say five runs across two sets of tires.
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I never once left pit lane on a non new set of tires.
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What's the best part about tire testing?
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Oh, is you just to just throw in new boots at it all day
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long and you just be like,
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feel like Superman, but that's what they need. Right?
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We even, even even did a highline session.
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Um, we did a lot of things. It was bad ass.
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Okay. I have so many questions.
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Um, so I mean with that, with that amount of tire,
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okay, well let, let's backtrack a little bit
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for, for Aunt Linda.
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So when you're doing a tire test, right,
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obviously they've brought this wide
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variety of different things.
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What is it that they're asking of you?
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What is it that you're trying to feel
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and like, what's the sort of specific feedback
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that you're trying to give them?
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So the first day was all short runs.
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Um, so it was ripping through all
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of the options that they had.
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And those runs were, they wanted seven laps,
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so nine laps including an out in seven laps
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Q sim esque meaning, okay, it's obviously not a Q sim
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'cause it's more than two laps,
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but as fast as you can go, um, light fuel
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basically just as you would in an
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outing of a practice session, right?
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You're feeling it for 10 laps and you're,
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and you're just pushing the whole time.
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Um, and come in
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and give us feedback on grip balance
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and any other characteristics.
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Like is is how quickly they come in.
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Is there any vibration coming? Is there any sort of dig?
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How quickly do they come in, that sort of thing.
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So day one was really focused on the
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short run side of things.
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Um, at the end of day one, we did one
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half tank group run, um, group run two cars,
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but group of two cars we left, we left, we left together
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and um, we did a 25 lap run just to kind of see, all right,
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what's the, what are we working with here?
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This was also kind of an IndyCar test as well.
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'cause they wanted to, to get an initial impression of, um,
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downforce levels and,
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and what they needed to be at for what the spec is gonna be.
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You know, does this fall in a, in a,
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um, St.
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Louis 2025 spec or does it fall in a St Louis 2023 spec?
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Like, like where is Phoenix at from a grip
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standpoint and, and race ability.
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And then day two was, um, uh, another
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group run, but we wanted to do it
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after a highline session, um,
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because we wanted to at least give ourselves a chance, um,
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to use lane two if, if it became viable.
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And then after that it was 55 lap runs.
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So you go out on a set 55 laps pit,
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another set on 55 laps, another set 55 laps.
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So you just hammering, um, for,
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for most of the day, day two.
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And, and that was really, um, they cared about your comments
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a little bit, but it was really for them to see
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what the right front tire was doing from
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a temperature standpoint.
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Um, 'cause obviously, you know, the right front,
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ever since the arrow screen has come on board
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has been under, um, a lot of extra stress, uh, with just
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with the added weight, um, over the front axle.
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So the right front tire has been the tire
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that has had failures.
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If, if that's gonna happen.
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Um, so for them and, and,
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and they're very aware of it,
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it's at this tire temperature that it fails.
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So we wanna see over the 55 laps does it even get into that,
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that zone or, or trending towards that zone.
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Um, so yes, that was, that was the, the purpose
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of the two days and the run plan.
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You, you got to do the highline practice,
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which is was probably like some kind
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of a first in in that type of test.
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But selfishly just from my own knowledge
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and hope, like were you guys able to kind run close
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and like could you kind of make the second lane work?
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'cause that was never really something we were able
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to do at Old Phoenix.
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So because the tracks changed too, right?
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It's a slightly different configuration.
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I mean not really. The numbers have changed
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but the tracks, the track's the same.
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Um, I would say no, but not
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because the Highline didn't work.
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When we went and did the Highline session, it was
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six tenths slower, seven 10th slow.
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Well it depends on the set of tires.
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So let's call it six tenths slower than
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the normal racing line.
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A lot of grip, it was comfortable to run up there.
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It wasn't a problem. When you have two cars,
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lane two's never gonna work because lane one's faster.
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And so if you run lane two, you're gonna get left
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because you're still six tenths slower.
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Both Scott and I agreed that if the leader had come up on
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traffic six tenths slower is viable to to be an option.
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Yeah. Um, it just, and,
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and this is the thing with short over racing, it's a matter
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of will someone be up there early enough
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to protect it from getting marbles
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by the time the leaders catch the back.
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But because it, it's not bumpy up there, um,
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it's not like grooves like it's just,
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it's it's the same as lane two.
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Um, and the good thing is,
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or sorry, it's the same as lane one.
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The good thing is the only other series
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that really races there is cup
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and Cup either runs below the yellow line like on the apron
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or they run up against the wall.
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So it's not like
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our racing line is the rubber up gripped up line,
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like over events and events and years and years.
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So the difference between lane one
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and lane two is really not that much
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because a lot of other series don't actually run
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where Indy cars run.
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Um, so I think that's a,
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the other reason why it was actually about the same.
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Um, you're just covering more distance sort of thing.
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So I I, I'm, I'm cautiously optimistic like we have to,
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we have to get the right tire
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'cause there were some tires that
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were way worse than others.
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Right. Um, and we have to get the right downforce package
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because there were some downforce levels
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that were way worse than others.
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But I believe that they have the solution to
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what they need to make it a
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fantastic race when we go back there.
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So there, there's, there's two things for me on that.
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I mean we, we kind
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of made the comment last week when you said you were going
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there that it's like, oh yeah, we're gonna go pound around
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after cup's just been there and done 3000 laps.
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Well we're racing there on a cup weekend.
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So like there actually is gonna be a bunch of
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that rubber in those places.
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So maybe there was some, some, you know, uh,
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some premeditated, believe it
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Or not, man, doing there was no rubber down.
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I mean there's something I there's, it's not
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Very little, it's because their tires like
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turned to dust apparently. So like,
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Oh yeah, I have heard
That.
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It it, you I have heard that would be stunned.
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Like the track looked clean. Yeah, it was like, did it rain?
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That's fine. Yeah.
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So the, the other thing for me was, I was gonna ask
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that question about Arrow.
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So this was also not, this was not just an IndyCar
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or sorry, not just a Firestone thing.
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IndyCar was also there testing arrow packages 'cause
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or has anyone else run there yet?
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No, just on the IndyCar side.
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Okay, so you guys were doing that as well.
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That's also good to know.
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'cause I wasn't sure if it was,
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it was only with a tire test.
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You set the car up, you do your five runs or whatever
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and then you don't get to touch it for the rest
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of the two days in terms of setup.
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But IndyCar was there
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and they were assessing different,
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different configurations for era
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They were.
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Um, but a lot of it, so IndyCar reading between the lines
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and, and I don't think I'm oversharing here.
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IndyCar wants more downforce
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because they know that that makes the racing better.
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Firestone does not to a, to a point
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because that puts more load on the tire,
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which brings it closer to a failure point.
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So both are aware of each other's wishes,
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both are aware of each other's concerns.
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Um, and you gotta find,
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you gotta find a happy medium, right?
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So again, there was some that were clear, there was like,
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that would be awesome, but obviously that's not gonna work.
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And there was some that was like, that is horrible,
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please don't ever think about bringing that.
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And then there were some that were, eh,
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and there were some that were quite good.
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So again, super successful, very cool to be part of it.
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They Firestone will be back, um,
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with two more cars in January, um, with like
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probably three options to kind of do a final run
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and make their final decision
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before the open test in February.
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Um, but I mean, they've put, like I said, super impressed
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with the effort that they put into it.
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And because of all of this homework, I do think
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that it's going to be a very different race
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and product than what we had in March.
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Um, which, or sorry, than what we had in 2018 in March.
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And that's, It's low key, super important
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because it's, it's a doubleheader weekend gonna be a lot
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of eyeballs on IndyCar
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and we need to make a very good impression.
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So one thing, one thing I learned that's disappointing,
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but it is what it's, are you
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or are you not under the impression
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that it is a Saturday night race?
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Well, I was until you just said that. Yeah.
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The way you said that makes me think it's not now,
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but you, you were under the
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impression it was a Saturday night race.
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Are we a Saturday day race? Well,
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What do you classify noon as like, is that night? Um,
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It's the daytime of the night. Like
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Exactly the daytime of the night,
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The day time, the night is an
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Illusion.
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It's some would call it lunchtime doubly. So,
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Uh, it's like, yeah, it's like mid day, the
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Opposite of
Midnight and night, right?
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Yeah. Right. Yeah.
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So, so
No, not a night.
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Good news is you can get home Saturday night.
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You mean we have more time for Applebee's Saturday night?
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Yeah, I, I don't want a red eye home, so I'll just,
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I'll hang out with Tim at the
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Applebee's of Goodyear, Arizona .
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Um, well look, here's the, here's the good news, man.
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If you look back through our, our year, uh, in IndyCar,
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short ovals, we kind of did pretty well at
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as a series more night
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Firestone
Did a pretty good job
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and the, in the series did
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a pretty good job of the arrow package.
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We've had to tweak a couple things over the years,
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but like this year was pretty solid.
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All those races were pretty good.
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So if we could just draw off all of that experience
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and as you said, put on a good show.
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Um, yeah, that is a bummer. It's not a night race though.
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It'd be cool if they, we had one,
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but hey, if the downforce package is right, honestly
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It doesn't
Matter.
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Daytime races. Yeah, daytime races mean usually a kind
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of more DG and that can honestly make
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better racing than sometimes anyway.
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So man, there were some, there were some tires
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that the dag holy
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like seconds,
Like let's say
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a fast lap was a 21 Oh
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and you were falling off to 24 fives.
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Yeah. That's like gold Iowa, right?
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That's skin would get that bad. Yeah.
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Like start. Did you
Guys like those
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ones or was that too much?
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No, you start, you start the stint flat in one and two
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and you end the stint the third gear one and two.
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Wow. Yikes. All right. Yeah.
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Did you like, were you
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and Scott both pretty consistent on which ones you liked
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and which you didn't and feedback was pretty close?
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I think it would've been
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because wildly enough every single set,
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we were within half a 10th
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of each other, like lap time-wise.
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So like, I would imagine they didn't tell us,
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but like we would do like midday meetings
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and end of day meetings and everything.
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And like we were saying the same thing. So
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That's the hard part though about tire testing, right?
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Is you're sitting there and like the
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debrief at the end of the day.
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So like you go and do a run and you give your feedback
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and then you go do another run different tire
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and you give your feedback, you go do another run different
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tire, give your feedback and it's like, yeah,
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this one's slightly more front grip mid corner
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or hey, this one warms up a little bit faster,
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but the peak grip's not as high.
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And then you go through it all and then you do like the
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midday or the end of day
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and you've probably done 14 sets of tires in that time.
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And, and they're like, okay, so, so set 11
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B you said you said this so that was better
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that you're like, uh, fool.
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Uh, I don't know man, by like the eight set, they all kind
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of went to get whatever I I said it's,
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It's like wine tasting. It's like wine tasting.
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Yes. Yes. Dire testing is just like wine tasting. Yeah.
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It doesn't matter after the fifth class. Mm. Yeah.
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You know, you're just not really performing
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at you. You just dunno
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What's happening.
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So what you're saying is I would be really
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good at tire testing.
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No, because you're not good at wine tasting. .
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I'm phenomenal at wine tasting
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.
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It's, it's, it's the feedback of the wine
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that you struggle with, Tim.
506
00:22:04.705 --> 00:22:05.965
You are just like, this tastes good
507
00:22:06.075 --> 00:22:07.485
Generally pro. Yeah. .
508
00:22:08.035 --> 00:22:10.205
Yeah. I like that
Guys
509
00:22:10.385 --> 00:22:11.385
For it.
510
00:22:11.385 --> 00:22:12.325
I'm a big, I'm a big tire guy.
511
00:22:12.625 --> 00:22:14.045
Uh, I'm happy with all of these.
512
00:22:14.315 --> 00:22:16.085
Well this is all very good. I, um,
513
00:22:16.385 --> 00:22:17.405
I'm, that's, that's good.
514
00:22:17.565 --> 00:22:21.605
I also am now cautiously optimistic by that, that feedback.
515
00:22:22.245 --> 00:22:26.055
I, I gotta say man, I completely understand
516
00:22:27.305 --> 00:22:30.125
the thinking, the philosophy, the mindset of
517
00:22:30.745 --> 00:22:31.845
any tire company in racing.
518
00:22:32.165 --> 00:22:34.125
'cause this is like a universal truth across them all
519
00:22:34.395 --> 00:22:36.205
that tire failures look bad.
520
00:22:36.205 --> 00:22:38.205
It's bad, bad pr, right?
521
00:22:38.505 --> 00:22:42.485
But I mean, are people really gonna buy less of a given tire
522
00:22:42.555 --> 00:22:46.245
because under extreme conditions in a very competitive
523
00:22:46.245 --> 00:22:49.165
motorsports environment, there's a failure or two.
524
00:22:49.165 --> 00:22:50.325
Like, are you gonna really
525
00:22:50.905 --> 00:22:53.325
Um, I think so James, because I guess
526
00:22:53.345 --> 00:22:55.485
We need,
We know, we know for better
527
00:22:55.485 --> 00:22:58.245
or worse race fans are opinionated.
528
00:22:58.345 --> 00:23:03.045
Mm. And so if they deem something to be bad,
529
00:23:03.675 --> 00:23:06.005
then I could see it influencing their decision.
530
00:23:06.185 --> 00:23:09.445
But I almost feel like, I almost feel like if if,
531
00:23:10.225 --> 00:23:12.485
and I'm, I'm just gonna say tire company X, right?
532
00:23:12.485 --> 00:23:14.285
Like, 'cause this is a universal thing.
533
00:23:14.945 --> 00:23:19.405
If, if a tire, if a, if a tire vendor for a given series
534
00:23:20.665 --> 00:23:24.365
was, was protecting so much against failures that it just,
535
00:23:24.505 --> 00:23:26.245
the racing wasn't good and all the teams
536
00:23:26.245 --> 00:23:27.445
and drivers were complaining
537
00:23:27.445 --> 00:23:29.205
that the racing wasn't good because of a tire.
538
00:23:30.285 --> 00:23:33.245
I almost feel like fans would be more inclined
539
00:23:34.185 --> 00:23:37.095
to revolt about that.
540
00:23:37.925 --> 00:23:40.615
Then we've pushed the limits on making the racing good.
541
00:23:40.855 --> 00:23:42.775
Occasionally a tire fails, you know,
542
00:23:43.395 --> 00:23:47.355
but like maybe if their favorite driver's tire fails while
543
00:23:47.355 --> 00:23:49.235
he is going for a win or she's going for a win
544
00:23:49.255 --> 00:23:50.795
and maybe, maybe, I don't know.
545
00:23:50.915 --> 00:23:52.195
I don't know. I don't know. So
546
00:23:52.515 --> 00:23:53.515
I guess it's just bad for us.
547
00:23:53.515 --> 00:23:56.995
I mean I was, I'm obviously fairly involved in the sport
548
00:23:58.175 --> 00:24:03.115
and uh, when Pelli took over from Michelin
549
00:24:03.725 --> 00:24:06.755
while Bridgestone, but whatever,
550
00:24:06.755 --> 00:24:07.995
Bridgestone, Michelin, when they became
551
00:24:08.145 --> 00:24:10.875
Your sole
Supplier, when Pelli took over in in Europe
552
00:24:10.895 --> 00:24:14.275
in Formula One, their initial couple years
553
00:24:14.495 --> 00:24:15.915
was pretty bad.
554
00:24:15.915 --> 00:24:17.395
Rough, Rough, rough.
555
00:24:18.135 --> 00:24:21.515
And I at the time owned an Audi sedan
556
00:24:21.895 --> 00:24:23.515
and I had to go get new tires.
557
00:24:24.215 --> 00:24:25.675
It was a performance car. Right.
558
00:24:26.845 --> 00:24:31.105
And I specifically chose against getting P zeros
559
00:24:31.965 --> 00:24:34.225
and getting Michelin SuperSports
560
00:24:34.225 --> 00:24:35.585
or whatever they're called, like the,
561
00:24:35.645 --> 00:24:37.385
the performance equivalent from Michelin.
562
00:24:37.965 --> 00:24:40.305
Now that was because I had some personal firsthand
563
00:24:40.305 --> 00:24:43.665
experience of being wildly annoyed with Pelli
564
00:24:43.885 --> 00:24:47.785
and the tire that was being given for GB two cars and such.
565
00:24:47.965 --> 00:24:50.945
And I was like, f this I'm pissed.
566
00:24:51.725 --> 00:24:54.265
But like I also could understand that
567
00:24:54.325 --> 00:24:57.745
that's gonna have no impact on 30,000 miles
568
00:24:57.775 --> 00:24:58.905
that I put on Right.
569
00:24:58.905 --> 00:25:02.285
My road tire, but I still Right. Didn't buy it.
570
00:25:03.075 --> 00:25:04.845
Yeah. I guess it's all marketing, right?
571
00:25:04.845 --> 00:25:07.205
Like it's, everything's just marketing. And so if if the,
572
00:25:07.205 --> 00:25:08.565
It's it's the, the image and,
573
00:25:08.585 --> 00:25:11.125
and the the idea the messaging company comes company
574
00:25:11.125 --> 00:25:12.845
that you have in your head. Yeah, yeah,
575
00:25:13.335 --> 00:25:14.335
Yeah.
576
00:25:14.505 --> 00:25:16.905
Interesting. Well hey look, they're doing,
577
00:25:16.905 --> 00:25:18.065
they're doing a good job at the moment.
578
00:25:18.565 --> 00:25:20.185
And uh, they would know,
579
00:25:20.185 --> 00:25:21.665
they would know these things more than me.
580
00:25:25.185 --> 00:25:28.105
I, I tell you what would influence my next purchase
581
00:25:28.105 --> 00:25:31.825
of tires if a tire manufacturer were to sponsor off track,
582
00:25:32.265 --> 00:25:34.585
I would uh, I would then become
583
00:25:35.695 --> 00:25:36.945
that guy. What about, and you know what
584
00:25:36.955 --> 00:25:39.065
About,
What about a brake sponsor, Tim?
585
00:25:39.925 --> 00:25:43.185
Oh yeah. So this is funny. Um, oh boy.
586
00:25:43.295 --> 00:25:47.265
Alex and I were driving down to the breeder's cup
587
00:25:47.365 --> 00:25:49.265
and Alex was driving because of the two of us.
588
00:25:49.575 --> 00:25:51.825
He's the professional driver and just barely.
589
00:25:52.045 --> 00:25:54.385
But
I don't, I don't really drive all
590
00:25:54.385 --> 00:25:55.705
that much in my day-to-day life.
591
00:25:55.705 --> 00:25:59.505
Pretty much only drive three miles to take Hazel to school
592
00:25:59.505 --> 00:26:01.225
and the three miles to pick Hazel up.
593
00:26:01.295 --> 00:26:03.945
None of that's highway. Alex noticed that
594
00:26:04.475 --> 00:26:05.475
Pause.
595
00:26:05.475 --> 00:26:06.945
This is how much Tim knows about vehicles.
596
00:26:07.425 --> 00:26:09.505
I was like, when he tells this story, I was like,
597
00:26:09.505 --> 00:26:10.825
well it'll be covered under warranty
598
00:26:10.945 --> 00:26:14.465
'cause you're like, this is under five years old and by
599
00:26:14.465 --> 00:26:15.225
The way, it wasn't, it's under 50,
600
00:26:15.325 --> 00:26:16.185
it was not covered under
601
00:26:16.425 --> 00:26:17.425
Warranty,
It's
602
00:26:17.745 --> 00:26:18.745
Whatever.
603
00:26:18.745 --> 00:26:20.065
Um, and under 50,000 miles.
604
00:26:20.125 --> 00:26:22.305
And he was like, it's got over 50,000 miles on it.
605
00:26:22.445 --> 00:26:26.625
And I'm literally looking at the OD that says 28,897. I
606
00:26:26.625 --> 00:26:28.425
Had just made the service appointment on the app
607
00:26:28.425 --> 00:26:30.145
and I thought it said 60 something.
608
00:26:30.285 --> 00:26:31.585
So I was just going off that.
609
00:26:31.805 --> 00:26:35.305
But anyway, on, so Alex noticed that, uh,
610
00:26:35.415 --> 00:26:37.745
when he was applying the brakes on the highway,
611
00:26:37.895 --> 00:26:39.785
like you have to do in LA traffic a lot,
612
00:26:39.785 --> 00:26:41.065
it had a bit of a shimmy.
613
00:26:41.695 --> 00:26:42.985
Most highways at some point
614
00:26:43.005 --> 00:26:44.045
point, Tim, you have to hit a
615
00:26:44.045 --> 00:26:45.125
break. A shitty, it's not just an LA
616
00:26:45.125 --> 00:26:46.125
Thing, not a shitty James.
617
00:26:46.715 --> 00:26:48.725
Like it felt as though, you know,
618
00:26:48.725 --> 00:26:50.605
when sometimes an airplane lands
619
00:26:50.605 --> 00:26:51.645
and there are hard on the brakes.
620
00:26:51.645 --> 00:26:53.965
Yeah. And the overhead compartments are like Absolutely
621
00:26:55.185 --> 00:26:55.685
Yes. Yeah.
622
00:26:56.025 --> 00:26:57.725
It was that warped
Rotor feeling. Yeah.
623
00:26:58.225 --> 00:26:59.525
Oh,
So funny.
624
00:26:59.525 --> 00:27:02.405
You should mention that , because Alex goes,
625
00:27:02.665 --> 00:27:06.085
you got a warped rotor, it could maybe be the brake pads,
626
00:27:06.085 --> 00:27:08.365
but it's not making any like squeaky noises.
627
00:27:08.385 --> 00:27:11.045
So it's probably a warped rotor. So that was Saturday.
628
00:27:11.245 --> 00:27:13.325
I made an appointment at the dealership on Friday
629
00:27:13.425 --> 00:27:16.845
and he was like, but but you need to tell me what it is
630
00:27:17.215 --> 00:27:18.285
after you take it in
631
00:27:18.285 --> 00:27:21.525
because like if I'm wrong on this, it's pretty embarrassing.
632
00:27:21.865 --> 00:27:25.045
So I get in, I explain the noise, the guy's like,
633
00:27:25.045 --> 00:27:26.045
sounds like a rotor issue.
634
00:27:26.045 --> 00:27:28.765
Could be the brake pads. We'll check an hour later they call
635
00:27:28.765 --> 00:27:30.805
back, they're like, yeah, so you got a warp rotor, you need
636
00:27:30.805 --> 00:27:32.525
to get that, we're gonna replace that.
637
00:27:32.585 --> 00:27:33.845
It was not under warranty.
638
00:27:34.185 --> 00:27:36.325
But uh, yeah, I was, I was very impressed to, uh,
639
00:27:36.425 --> 00:27:40.285
Alex's ability to, uh, diagnose the issue in the car.
640
00:27:40.705 --> 00:27:41.765
I'm now less impressed
641
00:27:41.795 --> 00:27:44.445
because James was able to diagnose it,
642
00:27:44.615 --> 00:27:46.365
secondhand hearing about it from
643
00:27:46.365 --> 00:27:47.365
Just the description.
644
00:27:47.545 --> 00:27:49.525
No, no. Just be more impressed with me.
645
00:27:49.525 --> 00:27:50.685
You don't have to be less impressed with
646
00:27:50.685 --> 00:27:51.685
Him.
647
00:27:51.685 --> 00:27:52.765
No, but he did was very present. No, here's the thing.
648
00:27:53.045 --> 00:27:54.445
I think everyone knows that
649
00:27:54.545 --> 00:27:55.545
Tim
.
650
00:27:56.365 --> 00:27:59.205
Yeah, I didn't know this
Actually. Exactly. That's
651
00:27:59.365 --> 00:28:00.365
Actually the point, Tim.
652
00:28:00.515 --> 00:28:02.525
It's not that either of us did anything oppressive.
653
00:28:02.525 --> 00:28:04.165
It's sounded shockingly un impressive.
654
00:28:04.225 --> 00:28:06.005
And, and the fact,
Don't even know the fact that,
655
00:28:06.065 --> 00:28:07.605
The fact that you didn't realize it.
656
00:28:07.805 --> 00:28:09.965
I, I made a comment as we were pulling out
657
00:28:09.965 --> 00:28:12.805
of your neighborhood, which is under a quarter mile
658
00:28:13.155 --> 00:28:14.365
from your garage.
659
00:28:14.515 --> 00:28:17.565
Yeah. He said the, the brakes were very sensitive.
660
00:28:18.785 --> 00:28:20.765
And then
You just said sensitive.
661
00:28:20.865 --> 00:28:22.445
It wasn't until highway that you were like,
662
00:28:22.445 --> 00:28:23.485
oh, you got a problem here, .
663
00:28:25.115 --> 00:28:27.605
Anyways, my bad car, trouble aside,
664
00:28:27.695 --> 00:28:29.405
there was an F1 race, I assume
665
00:28:30.185 --> 00:28:32.255
There was No, I came or you just on vacation.
666
00:28:32.395 --> 00:28:34.535
Brazil for Yeah. Giggles.
667
00:28:34.955 --> 00:28:39.335
Um, there was, there was Alex, did you, did you catch any
668
00:28:39.335 --> 00:28:40.335
Of it?
669
00:28:40.335 --> 00:28:42.255
I catch, I caught catched.
670
00:28:43.655 --> 00:28:47.375
I, I did not catch sprint qualifying.
671
00:28:47.935 --> 00:28:49.655
I caught sprint race.
672
00:28:51.135 --> 00:28:54.685
I caught Q1
673
00:28:55.305 --> 00:28:57.565
of normal qualifying and I caught the race.
674
00:28:57.565 --> 00:29:00.005
Mm-hmm . So yeah, I'm pretty caught. That's the
675
00:29:00.085 --> 00:29:01.085
Majority.
676
00:29:01.085 --> 00:29:01.405
That's a good amount. Yeah. Yeah.
677
00:29:01.465 --> 00:29:06.255
So, um, sprint race then let's start there
678
00:29:06.255 --> 00:29:08.995
because that kind
679
00:29:08.995 --> 00:29:11.915
of had a big impact on things of a lot of people
680
00:29:11.975 --> 00:29:13.655
Impact
Literally.
681
00:29:13.885 --> 00:29:18.215
Yeah, dude, that Boto crash, my god looked
682
00:29:18.635 --> 00:29:21.495
so violent and so outta control, destroyed
683
00:29:21.495 --> 00:29:23.455
that car, destroyed that car.
684
00:29:23.455 --> 00:29:25.455
Some of the pictures out of it were ridiculous,
685
00:29:25.995 --> 00:29:27.175
but luckily he was fine.
686
00:29:27.355 --> 00:29:30.975
Car Lesso, RIP car, but no, uh, up at the front.
687
00:29:31.115 --> 00:29:32.975
So yeah, mixed conditions kind of to start.
688
00:29:32.975 --> 00:29:35.695
Well I say that it was dry, but wet patches
689
00:29:35.755 --> 00:29:37.415
and damp whatever, front
690
00:29:37.415 --> 00:29:38.415
String was
Pretty wet.
691
00:29:38.415 --> 00:29:40.015
Uh, there was some, yes, there was some,
692
00:29:40.125 --> 00:29:42.485
some heavily damp patches on the front straight
693
00:29:42.505 --> 00:29:44.405
and like turn one was even still a little bit damp.
694
00:29:44.465 --> 00:29:46.885
But long story short, you've got Lando running first.
695
00:29:47.025 --> 00:29:49.245
You got Antonelli running second kind of hounding him
696
00:29:49.385 --> 00:29:50.805
and then Ptri third
697
00:29:51.665 --> 00:29:54.235
and you know, this run
698
00:29:54.235 --> 00:29:57.315
that land's been on taking points away from Oscar
699
00:29:57.815 --> 00:30:00.515
and Oscar was a little bit closer, you know,
700
00:30:00.515 --> 00:30:02.035
and paced to Orlando this weekend.
701
00:30:02.365 --> 00:30:05.075
Still not that close. Just fewer people in between them.
702
00:30:05.775 --> 00:30:08.235
And then, yeah, turned three, got up on the curb,
703
00:30:09.425 --> 00:30:10.565
turfed it off into the wall.
704
00:30:12.715 --> 00:30:14.765
It's tough man. And it was just kind of the beginning of,
705
00:30:14.825 --> 00:30:17.685
it wasn't in the beginning, it was the, the next stage in a,
706
00:30:17.705 --> 00:30:19.045
in a rough weekend for him.
707
00:30:19.665 --> 00:30:22.645
Um, two other guys did the exact same thing right
708
00:30:22.645 --> 00:30:26.765
after him, which was, I don't know, do you feel better at
709
00:30:26.765 --> 00:30:28.645
that point if you've made a mistake as a driver
710
00:30:28.825 --> 00:30:31.605
and then like your car comes to a stop and you look up
711
00:30:31.605 --> 00:30:33.765
and two other cars have also bend it off in the same point.
712
00:30:33.765 --> 00:30:36.325
You're like, okay, so clearly it's not easy right now.
713
00:30:36.705 --> 00:30:40.285
So I, I had that exact situation Silverstone, I, uh,
714
00:30:40.285 --> 00:30:43.445
it was a, it was a drying race and you're on slicks
715
00:30:44.065 --> 00:30:47.165
and I was running like fifth or something
716
00:30:47.665 --> 00:30:50.605
and I fired it off in a, in a brake zone.
717
00:30:51.325 --> 00:30:53.585
And I was like in the wall like head in hands
718
00:30:54.245 --> 00:30:56.865
and then I got pounded by three more cars
719
00:30:57.805 --> 00:31:00.465
and I was like, oh wow.
720
00:31:01.345 --> 00:31:04.305
I mean clearly I'm not the only one.
721
00:31:04.495 --> 00:31:06.305
Yeah,
Clearly it was
722
00:31:06.305 --> 00:31:07.585
impossible to get through that corner .
723
00:31:08.265 --> 00:31:10.145
So yes, it, it does make,
724
00:31:10.185 --> 00:31:11.385
I mean obviously it still feels <inaudible>,
725
00:31:11.605 --> 00:31:15.185
but there's at least that's slight bit of relief
726
00:31:15.295 --> 00:31:18.025
that it was a hard situation.
727
00:31:18.845 --> 00:31:22.455
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, felt bad for him.
728
00:31:22.615 --> 00:31:24.615
K Pinta went off there, Kinberg went off there.
729
00:31:25.075 --> 00:31:27.095
Max also went through said damn patch
730
00:31:27.115 --> 00:31:28.855
and had a massive moment and didn't crash.
731
00:31:29.195 --> 00:31:30.335
So it was possible
732
00:31:30.955 --> 00:31:35.125
Orlando also had, uh, sprayed come off his tire in
733
00:31:35.125 --> 00:31:36.845
that same spot seconds before.
734
00:31:37.155 --> 00:31:40.525
Well do you not think so Lando used a lot of curb.
735
00:31:40.525 --> 00:31:42.565
There could be Lando used a lot of curb there. Yeah.
736
00:31:43.105 --> 00:31:45.965
And the subsequent cars that went
737
00:31:45.965 --> 00:31:49.205
through there all kind of fired it off. So the, the
738
00:31:49.205 --> 00:31:52.005
The, the point that it kind of made me think like, yeah,
739
00:31:52.005 --> 00:31:53.405
that might have had something to do with it.
740
00:31:53.405 --> 00:31:54.965
It was when you're on Antonelli's onboard,
741
00:31:54.965 --> 00:31:56.685
who's running second and he's right behind Orlando
742
00:31:56.745 --> 00:31:59.485
and there's this, like the onboard camera gets like this
743
00:31:59.585 --> 00:32:01.325
big, big amount of spray on it
744
00:32:01.465 --> 00:32:03.205
and then the next car goes off.
745
00:32:03.785 --> 00:32:06.565
So that was, that was tough for uh, for Oscar.
746
00:32:06.565 --> 00:32:09.645
Orlando wins the sprint race, um,
747
00:32:10.115 --> 00:32:11.165
over Antonelli and Russell.
748
00:32:11.985 --> 00:32:15.205
And then in the Grand Prix you missed,
749
00:32:15.205 --> 00:32:19.165
you said you missed Q3 Lando, uh, he obviously got pole,
750
00:32:19.265 --> 00:32:21.725
but it was, you know, he was 10th going to the last run
751
00:32:21.925 --> 00:32:26.125
'cause he botched his first attempt and big pressure.
752
00:32:26.795 --> 00:32:29.005
Ptri was P one at the time. He was P 10.
753
00:32:29.665 --> 00:32:31.605
Big pressure, you know, situation.
754
00:32:32.465 --> 00:32:34.005
And that's something that I feel like a lot
755
00:32:34.005 --> 00:32:36.445
of people have given Lando about, you know,
756
00:32:36.445 --> 00:32:39.045
this year is he doesn't handle those high pressure
757
00:32:39.085 --> 00:32:40.965
situations, especially in qualifying as well.
758
00:32:41.585 --> 00:32:44.485
But he pulled it off, man had like a massive gap to P two
759
00:32:44.505 --> 00:32:46.125
and looked like it was gonna be kind
760
00:32:46.125 --> 00:32:47.365
of Mexico City all over again.
761
00:32:48.755 --> 00:32:52.375
Max is out in Q1, the first time
762
00:32:52.375 --> 00:32:53.895
that he's been out in Q1
763
00:32:55.765 --> 00:32:58.355
based on pure performance in his entire career.
764
00:32:58.625 --> 00:33:00.675
He's gone out because of accidents
765
00:33:00.735 --> 00:33:03.755
or like mechanical failures or PU things or whatever.
766
00:33:04.145 --> 00:33:06.675
He's never just been one
767
00:33:06.675 --> 00:33:08.995
of the slowest five cars in his entire
768
00:33:08.995 --> 00:33:10.475
career until this weekend.
769
00:33:11.065 --> 00:33:12.195
That is insane. That's
770
00:33:12.195 --> 00:33:13.195
Why I turned it off.
771
00:33:14.505 --> 00:33:18.195
like he's done no one to, no one to threaten. So,
772
00:33:19.185 --> 00:33:20.875
Well I was thinking about this,
773
00:33:21.035 --> 00:33:25.275
I was thinking about why do I want Max who has dominated
774
00:33:25.985 --> 00:33:28.755
this sport for the past four years,
775
00:33:30.095 --> 00:33:31.955
why do I want him to win again?
776
00:33:32.245 --> 00:33:36.235
Right. And it's because it's cool.
777
00:33:36.465 --> 00:33:38.795
It's cool to watch. It's, and
778
00:33:38.935 --> 00:33:41.255
and there's countless episodes
779
00:33:41.255 --> 00:33:42.575
where we've gone on about this, right?
780
00:33:43.035 --> 00:33:45.535
You're seeing something that you might not ever see again.
781
00:33:46.115 --> 00:33:49.495
And so when he, when the car let him down,
782
00:33:49.495 --> 00:33:53.335
because I knew that through the sprint,
783
00:33:53.925 --> 00:33:56.335
through practice, sprint, qualifying sprint race, whatever,
784
00:33:56.335 --> 00:33:57.735
like the Red Bull wasn't that good, right?
785
00:33:57.835 --> 00:34:01.895
So I, I watched qualifying for the sole purpose of, I wanted
786
00:34:01.915 --> 00:34:06.495
to see how far up the grid he could wrestle that thing
787
00:34:07.315 --> 00:34:09.215
to at least put the McLaren's under pressure.
788
00:34:09.215 --> 00:34:11.375
Like I knew he didn't probably have a shot at the front row,
789
00:34:11.835 --> 00:34:13.815
but I was like, can you put it third, fifth?
790
00:34:13.815 --> 00:34:15.495
Like he's done so many times, right?
791
00:34:16.115 --> 00:34:19.855
And when he goes out in Q1, it was just like all
792
00:34:19.855 --> 00:34:22.255
of my joy from this qualifying session has
793
00:34:22.255 --> 00:34:24.135
disappeared and I don't wanna watch it.
794
00:34:24.915 --> 00:34:29.375
And that's a, that's a weird thing considering another part
795
00:34:29.375 --> 00:34:32.815
of me really wants, you know, Orlando or Oscar to win.
796
00:34:33.085 --> 00:34:36.135
It's so cool to watch someone just punch so far
797
00:34:36.145 --> 00:34:37.855
above the, the weight of their car.
798
00:34:38.465 --> 00:34:41.415
Which brings us to Sunday afternoon.
799
00:34:41.755 --> 00:34:45.095
You must have loved today then you must have absolutely
800
00:34:45.095 --> 00:34:47.015
loved today because dude
801
00:34:47.025 --> 00:34:48.375
we're all saying the same thing, right?
802
00:34:48.375 --> 00:34:49.455
We're like, all right to
803
00:34:49.635 --> 00:34:51.055
to have kept this championship alive.
804
00:34:51.055 --> 00:34:53.255
He had to beat them in every race for months onwards.
805
00:34:53.315 --> 00:34:55.855
And he was doing that until Mexico still be one of them.
806
00:34:55.855 --> 00:34:58.705
But Lando wins and now Lando iss on pole.
807
00:34:58.885 --> 00:35:01.185
He ends up starting from the pit lane 'cause he is like it.
808
00:35:01.205 --> 00:35:02.985
I'm down in 16th, I'll take a new engine,
809
00:35:02.985 --> 00:35:04.945
I'll do some setup changes 'cause obviously the setup's
810
00:35:04.945 --> 00:35:07.185
garbage, which I want to get to in a second.
811
00:35:07.405 --> 00:35:11.225
And he dry, he has a punch, starts the race,
812
00:35:11.555 --> 00:35:12.625
makes up a couple spots.
813
00:35:13.265 --> 00:35:16.035
He's already running like 13th, a handful of laps in,
814
00:35:16.265 --> 00:35:20.825
gets a puncture, has to pit out a sequence and,
815
00:35:21.445 --> 00:35:22.865
And and has to bail on the tire.
816
00:35:22.865 --> 00:35:24.265
That was gonna take him deep into the race.
817
00:35:24.505 --> 00:35:25.545
'cause I think they were gonna stop
818
00:35:25.545 --> 00:35:26.545
It.
819
00:35:26.545 --> 00:35:27.185
Yeah, it was the worst, it was the worst tire
820
00:35:27.325 --> 00:35:29.265
to have this happen to early in the race.
821
00:35:29.565 --> 00:35:30.625
And then he is back at the back
822
00:35:30.765 --> 00:35:32.465
and now it's just like, ah, I'm just gonna go for it.
823
00:35:32.465 --> 00:35:34.185
Just gonna wa me. He was always going for it.
824
00:35:34.815 --> 00:35:37.865
Dude, the drive up to third, like
825
00:35:38.505 --> 00:35:41.985
a second away from second place from pit lane
826
00:35:43.265 --> 00:35:44.485
was one of the coolest things.
827
00:35:44.665 --> 00:35:46.525
And like remember last year when he went from 17th
828
00:35:46.545 --> 00:35:48.605
to first in the wet, that was impressive.
829
00:35:48.605 --> 00:35:50.605
But even that he had kind of help from a safety car
830
00:35:50.625 --> 00:35:51.805
or a red flag or something.
831
00:35:52.185 --> 00:35:54.365
Safety car, red flag, red flag. He was a red flag.
832
00:35:54.365 --> 00:35:56.605
He had to do a free pit stop basically under red.
833
00:35:57.185 --> 00:36:00.405
And so that helped his super impressive charge to the field.
834
00:36:00.465 --> 00:36:01.525
It was impressive nonetheless.
835
00:36:01.825 --> 00:36:03.445
But he did have that, he didn't have that today.
836
00:36:03.625 --> 00:36:06.565
He got bone by a puncture, had to make three stops
837
00:36:06.585 --> 00:36:07.685
to everyone else's two
838
00:36:08.065 --> 00:36:09.925
and was still only 10 seconds behind the leader.
839
00:36:10.265 --> 00:36:12.645
22 seconds lost on pit late do the math.
840
00:36:13.465 --> 00:36:17.555
That was an unbelievable drive.
841
00:36:17.785 --> 00:36:19.315
Yeah,
It just made it look easy.
842
00:36:19.455 --> 00:36:21.835
He made passing cars look so easy there
843
00:36:22.415 --> 00:36:24.115
and it was like, there was a, there was a,
844
00:36:24.395 --> 00:36:25.355
I don't really thought he was gonna win it
845
00:36:25.435 --> 00:36:26.435
'cause Lando was just too good.
846
00:36:26.735 --> 00:36:27.795
But like I thought
847
00:36:27.795 --> 00:36:29.995
for sure he had second at one point I thought he was
848
00:36:29.995 --> 00:36:31.035
gonna track Danny Antonelli.
849
00:36:32.065 --> 00:36:33.405
So what's, what's so
Stayed out.
850
00:36:34.025 --> 00:36:36.925
What's so weird is I, um, thanks to F1 tv,
851
00:36:37.855 --> 00:36:40.225
well thanks to the massive dispute
852
00:36:40.225 --> 00:36:42.425
between ESPN and YouTube tv.
853
00:36:43.205 --> 00:36:46.625
My only option to watch Formula One is on F1 tv.
854
00:36:47.045 --> 00:36:49.105
And I must say you're welcome. Y'all do a very good job.
855
00:36:49.765 --> 00:36:50.865
So thank
856
00:36:50.865 --> 00:36:51.865
You.
857
00:36:52.065 --> 00:36:54.625
I I was forced to switch over
858
00:36:55.525 --> 00:36:56.665
but I actually quite enjoyed it.
859
00:36:57.085 --> 00:36:59.705
But what I'm getting to is, is I was toggling
860
00:36:59.705 --> 00:37:01.305
between the onboards of,
861
00:37:01.865 --> 00:37:04.185
'cause you can watch an onboard from your favorite
862
00:37:04.185 --> 00:37:05.425
driver for the whole race if you want to.
863
00:37:05.905 --> 00:37:08.265
I was toggling between the onboards between Max
864
00:37:08.325 --> 00:37:10.045
and Yuki, right.
865
00:37:10.625 --> 00:37:13.385
You know, Yuki was last on pace
866
00:37:14.045 --> 00:37:18.065
and Max was a threat to second and on the podium.
867
00:37:19.365 --> 00:37:22.545
And I'm pretty good at like understanding what's going on
868
00:37:23.045 --> 00:37:24.265
behind the wheel of a race car.
869
00:37:26.065 --> 00:37:30.175
Max's car looked, eh, like it, it didn't look good.
870
00:37:30.175 --> 00:37:33.775
Like it, it wasn't the, the front end wasn't really sharp,
871
00:37:34.595 --> 00:37:36.215
you know, the power down was okay.
872
00:37:36.805 --> 00:37:39.135
Like it didn't look hooked up on rails.
873
00:37:39.135 --> 00:37:40.855
Like you expect a formula in one car to look.
874
00:37:41.275 --> 00:37:42.415
And I looked at Yuki's
875
00:37:42.475 --> 00:37:44.135
and like it looked the same like it did.
876
00:37:44.205 --> 00:37:46.775
Neither car looked good yet somehow
877
00:37:47.475 --> 00:37:50.135
Max is like almost a second quicker
878
00:37:50.515 --> 00:37:53.255
and I couldn't depict how he was achieving it.
879
00:37:54.325 --> 00:37:55.825
So that's a stick he has.
880
00:37:55.965 --> 00:38:00.105
He has this like ability to find lap time in ways
881
00:38:00.105 --> 00:38:02.705
that I can't even really deduce.
882
00:38:03.605 --> 00:38:06.455
Yeah. Well it's important to remember
883
00:38:06.455 --> 00:38:08.415
that he won't have had the same setup as Yuki
884
00:38:08.535 --> 00:38:09.775
'cause he got to make changes.
885
00:38:10.285 --> 00:38:12.895
Fair. But still it didn't look any different right?
886
00:38:12.895 --> 00:38:14.575
It wasn't like an obvious thing.
887
00:38:15.735 --> 00:38:19.075
But the, the, the setup thing is, is, is interesting.
888
00:38:19.255 --> 00:38:22.315
So Red Bull have this, this dilemma in a sense, right?
889
00:38:22.315 --> 00:38:25.395
They've got four cars, they have four
890
00:38:25.475 --> 00:38:29.355
and a half drivers, half being the linblad, you know,
891
00:38:29.355 --> 00:38:30.915
the driver linblad in F two.
892
00:38:31.695 --> 00:38:34.995
Um, and they're, they're not entirely sure what to do with
893
00:38:35.040 --> 00:38:36.325
with anybody but Max right?
894
00:38:36.945 --> 00:38:38.965
It seems to be pretty universally understood that
895
00:38:40.455 --> 00:38:44.275
Hotjar is gonna go up to um, red Bull to partner Max
896
00:38:44.895 --> 00:38:46.115
Yuki's clearly not done enough.
897
00:38:46.245 --> 00:38:50.235
Right before today Red Bull had scored 351 points
898
00:38:50.235 --> 00:38:51.395
in the constructors championship.
899
00:38:51.625 --> 00:38:55.575
Yuki had scored 28 of those 28.
900
00:38:56.035 --> 00:38:58.015
So Max had single handedly, by the way,
901
00:38:58.235 --> 00:39:01.495
ripple passed Ferrari in the constructors championship today
902
00:39:01.555 --> 00:39:03.615
on the basis of, of Ferrari double DNF
903
00:39:03.615 --> 00:39:06.175
and Max on the podium out of control
904
00:39:06.605 --> 00:39:09.175
that they're in third in the constructors. So you mean
905
00:39:09.275 --> 00:39:10.695
Max is in third in the constructors? Yep.
906
00:39:11.315 --> 00:39:12.975
Max is so almost single handedly in
907
00:39:12.975 --> 00:39:14.095
third in the construction championship.
908
00:39:14.095 --> 00:39:18.545
Mm-hmm. So there's been a lot of debate around Yuki, right?
909
00:39:18.705 --> 00:39:19.985
'cause obviously that second Ripple bull is not easy
910
00:39:19.985 --> 00:39:22.225
to drive and all the things that we, all the things we know,
911
00:39:22.845 --> 00:39:24.265
but there was still an argument
912
00:39:24.265 --> 00:39:27.025
that you'd keep 'em in the system next year it's 2026
913
00:39:27.085 --> 00:39:28.185
is a brand new reg set.
914
00:39:28.185 --> 00:39:30.545
Having some guys with experience of probably a good thing,
915
00:39:30.545 --> 00:39:33.145
even if you bumped 'em back down to racing bulls, whatever,
916
00:39:33.565 --> 00:39:35.945
rather than bringing in a limb lad who's a complete rookie
917
00:39:36.045 --> 00:39:38.665
and having not the most stellar season in F two.
918
00:39:41.355 --> 00:39:44.005
What happened this weekend was in the sprint race,
919
00:39:44.235 --> 00:39:45.325
Yuki started from Pittling
920
00:39:45.605 --> 00:39:47.565
'cause he was P 19 I think in qualifying
921
00:39:48.745 --> 00:39:50.485
and they tried a new setup on him.
922
00:39:50.565 --> 00:39:52.485
'cause the car was not good on Friday. They both qualified
923
00:39:52.485 --> 00:39:54.885
poor 16 and 19 in the sprint.
924
00:39:55.345 --> 00:39:56.965
So the sprint race he started for pit lane
925
00:39:56.965 --> 00:39:58.005
and got to change all the cars.
926
00:39:58.065 --> 00:40:02.125
So he did some setup changes, directionally came back in.
927
00:40:02.125 --> 00:40:03.685
His feedback was this is better,
928
00:40:03.855 --> 00:40:05.525
let's do this for qualifying.
929
00:40:06.185 --> 00:40:10.365
So Max put on Yuki setup, okay, probably
930
00:40:10.365 --> 00:40:12.125
for the first time in the
931
00:40:12.235 --> 00:40:13.915
however long they've been teammates
932
00:40:16.085 --> 00:40:17.265
or the first time Max has done that
933
00:40:17.265 --> 00:40:19.065
with any teammate since Ricardo
934
00:40:21.055 --> 00:40:23.995
and Max gets eliminated in Q1 on pure
935
00:40:23.995 --> 00:40:25.395
performance for the first time in his career.
936
00:40:28.865 --> 00:40:30.225
I didn't not know those details.
937
00:40:30.525 --> 00:40:33.145
The biggest Yuki supporter within that team
938
00:40:33.565 --> 00:40:36.905
and was trying to justify keeping him in the system in any
939
00:40:36.925 --> 00:40:38.225
way we could.
940
00:40:38.895 --> 00:40:42.345
That to me is such a nail in the coffin. Oh, that's worse
941
00:40:42.345 --> 00:40:44.545
Than really anything else that could have happened.
942
00:40:45.535 --> 00:40:47.135
Spinning, crash on a white curb.
943
00:40:47.405 --> 00:40:51.675
Like yeah,
One time they were relied purely on his
944
00:40:51.915 --> 00:40:53.675
feedback and it was the worst qualified
945
00:40:53.675 --> 00:40:56.035
performance of Max's career.
946
00:40:57.925 --> 00:41:00.085
I don't know. I don't know. We'll see what they're gonna do.
947
00:41:00.475 --> 00:41:02.685
They're, you know, they're dragging their feet on if they
948
00:41:02.685 --> 00:41:04.205
say they're gonna make a decision before Abu
949
00:41:04.205 --> 00:41:05.525
Dhabi and that's coming up.
950
00:41:05.985 --> 00:41:08.165
Um, but again, I it's not a slam dunk
951
00:41:08.165 --> 00:41:09.445
that Lin Blad should get that seat
952
00:41:09.445 --> 00:41:11.565
because I dunno, we're getting, we're getting way off track,
953
00:41:11.825 --> 00:41:12.965
uh, of, of that.
954
00:41:13.065 --> 00:41:14.085
We can go to that later.
955
00:41:14.635 --> 00:41:17.725
What I do wanna touch on though is the Ptri penalty, right?
956
00:41:17.945 --> 00:41:19.845
So Ptri ends up the, the Grum pri in,
957
00:41:19.845 --> 00:41:21.165
in fifth of the points gap.
958
00:41:21.185 --> 00:41:24.525
Now 24 points Lando nice,
959
00:41:24.825 --> 00:41:27.525
but doesn't matter, I mean you can make, you can lose
960
00:41:27.525 --> 00:41:28.525
that in one race, right?
961
00:41:28.545 --> 00:41:29.885
That's not even a race buffer.
962
00:41:30.025 --> 00:41:32.165
So like this is by no means cruise control.
963
00:41:32.235 --> 00:41:34.845
This is by no means protecting your lead or whatever.
964
00:41:35.365 --> 00:41:38.885
Everyone's still gotta push. But, but Oscar qualified fourth
965
00:41:39.705 --> 00:41:43.045
and did a pretty <inaudible> stout move on a restart
966
00:41:44.485 --> 00:41:45.745
to, to get up into second
967
00:41:45.845 --> 00:41:47.465
and be right on on Orlando's gearbox.
968
00:41:47.465 --> 00:41:48.465
And he got a penalty for it.
969
00:41:49.045 --> 00:41:50.785
It was three wide antonelli in the middle
970
00:41:50.845 --> 00:41:51.985
of Claire on the outside.
971
00:41:53.045 --> 00:41:56.665
He fired on the inside, slight contact with Antonelli,
972
00:41:56.665 --> 00:41:58.985
pushed him into Le Claire, ended Le Claire's race.
973
00:41:58.985 --> 00:42:01.985
The other two kept going. What was your view on that?
974
00:42:02.005 --> 00:42:03.665
He got a ten second penalty for it.
975
00:42:04.335 --> 00:42:05.385
What was your view on that?
976
00:42:05.815 --> 00:42:08.875
Well, what my view was,
977
00:42:09.915 --> 00:42:11.735
he shouldn't get a penalty. Why
978
00:42:11.735 --> 00:42:12.735
Not?
979
00:42:12.735 --> 00:42:15.095
But because Antonelli squeezed him pretty hard.
980
00:42:16.035 --> 00:42:19.335
Um, yes, Oscar had a lockup going on,
981
00:42:19.355 --> 00:42:21.295
but like it's three cars into one.
982
00:42:22.745 --> 00:42:24.215
Oscar was gonna make the corner.
983
00:42:24.285 --> 00:42:25.695
It's not like he was so locked up.
984
00:42:25.795 --> 00:42:28.095
He was, you know, roja at Portland
985
00:42:28.675 --> 00:42:31.535
who thought it was meters instead of feet,
986
00:42:31.925 --> 00:42:33.255
like too soon, you know?
987
00:42:33.725 --> 00:42:36.495
Well it wasn't like a, like a brain fade, right?
988
00:42:36.555 --> 00:42:40.135
It was a a, an aggressive move on a corner that's downhill.
989
00:42:41.525 --> 00:42:42.785
It drops away from you. The left
990
00:42:42.785 --> 00:42:43.905
front's always gonna lock up there.
991
00:42:43.905 --> 00:42:45.465
And, and he was in control of the car, right?
992
00:42:45.485 --> 00:42:47.425
And he bumped Antonelli, which happened
993
00:42:47.425 --> 00:42:49.745
to put him into a slide that he caught.
994
00:42:49.885 --> 00:42:52.745
But in catching it, it hit Charles's left front
995
00:42:52.845 --> 00:42:54.265
and ended Charles's day.
996
00:42:54.345 --> 00:42:58.305
Charles' unlucky bystander, antonelli, no damage to his car,
997
00:42:58.305 --> 00:43:00.705
kept going, PTRI, no damage to his car, kept going.
998
00:43:01.165 --> 00:43:03.265
It wasn't this big kerfuffle, right?
999
00:43:03.325 --> 00:43:08.215
So based on that, yes, Charles' day was over,
1000
00:43:08.315 --> 00:43:10.375
but you can't penalize Oscar for that
1001
00:43:10.845 --> 00:43:15.145
because on that, there's an equal amount of possibility
1002
00:43:15.145 --> 00:43:17.345
that Antonelli could have had an over steer moment at the
1003
00:43:17.375 --> 00:43:20.905
apex of one and his right rear hit Charles's left front
1004
00:43:20.925 --> 00:43:22.105
and caused the same situation.
1005
00:43:23.285 --> 00:43:27.785
So in my mind, the contact was between Oscar and Kimmy.
1006
00:43:27.895 --> 00:43:29.025
Both cars continued.
1007
00:43:29.365 --> 00:43:30.745
You can't penalize Oscar
1008
00:43:30.805 --> 00:43:32.425
for Charles going out in that situation.
1009
00:43:32.445 --> 00:43:34.145
In my mind. That's why I thought it was too much.
1010
00:43:34.255 --> 00:43:35.945
Yeah, I mean I, I thought that,
1011
00:43:36.105 --> 00:43:37.465
I thought basically the same thing.
1012
00:43:37.625 --> 00:43:39.065
I thought that the penalty
1013
00:43:39.665 --> 00:43:41.545
probably stemmed from, so it's two things, right?
1014
00:43:41.605 --> 00:43:44.785
The outcome for the all the drivers involved, quote unquote.
1015
00:43:45.525 --> 00:43:46.945
And so Char obviously is involved in
1016
00:43:46.945 --> 00:43:48.025
that and he's outta the race.
1017
00:43:48.225 --> 00:43:52.565
I get that Oscar was in, okay, Oscar was trying to pass
1018
00:43:53.245 --> 00:43:55.405
Char in the sense that they were ahead,
1019
00:43:55.425 --> 00:43:56.885
but like he wasn't really trying to pass Char,
1020
00:43:56.885 --> 00:43:58.205
he was trying to pass Kimmy, right?
1021
00:43:58.485 --> 00:44:00.565
Char happened to be the three, the like the third guy
1022
00:44:00.565 --> 00:44:01.605
to three white situation.
1023
00:44:01.605 --> 00:44:04.725
Mm-hmm tough to tough to make that work either way.
1024
00:44:04.965 --> 00:44:07.085
I mean, at Brazil, the way that geometry
1025
00:44:07.085 --> 00:44:09.085
of those first couple corners is, you can make that work.
1026
00:44:10.185 --> 00:44:12.045
But as much as Char was trying to pass Kimmy,
1027
00:44:12.045 --> 00:44:14.405
he probably had a sense by looking in his mirror
1028
00:44:14.405 --> 00:44:15.485
that Oscar had a run
1029
00:44:15.545 --> 00:44:19.045
and was probably gonna chuck it up the inside Kimie crowded,
1030
00:44:19.505 --> 00:44:21.165
uh, pry immensely.
1031
00:44:21.185 --> 00:44:23.285
He had a lot of room to his right
1032
00:44:23.585 --> 00:44:25.405
to open up more and give him more room.
1033
00:44:26.085 --> 00:44:28.005
I do fully believe he knew he was there
1034
00:44:28.005 --> 00:44:30.285
because he gave him almost enough room, but not quite.
1035
00:44:30.995 --> 00:44:33.295
But I do feel like the damning piece of evidence
1036
00:44:33.435 --> 00:44:35.055
for the stewards in, in,
1037
00:44:35.475 --> 00:44:38.215
or uh, working against Oscar was the fact that his
1038
00:44:38.215 --> 00:44:39.255
inside front was locked up.
1039
00:44:39.675 --> 00:44:42.775
But to your point, I completely agree it was locked up,
1040
00:44:42.775 --> 00:44:44.255
but he was not out of control.
1041
00:44:44.325 --> 00:44:46.975
There's a big difference between having a locked tire
1042
00:44:47.035 --> 00:44:50.215
and having lost control of the car momentarily.
1043
00:44:50.755 --> 00:44:51.775
If Kimmy wasn't there,
1044
00:44:51.915 --> 00:44:53.495
he would've made the corner perfectly fine.
1045
00:44:53.555 --> 00:44:55.775
He was right at the apex, right on the apex.
1046
00:44:55.835 --> 00:44:57.855
He didn't under steer out into Kimmy.
1047
00:44:58.065 --> 00:45:00.895
Kimmy came down onto him and it created that contact.
1048
00:45:01.275 --> 00:45:02.935
So I'm a hundred percent with you, man.
1049
00:45:03.395 --> 00:45:06.415
And I think it's, I think it's a, it's a real bummer.
1050
00:45:06.915 --> 00:45:08.695
Um, it doesn't take away from Orlando's win.
1051
00:45:08.815 --> 00:45:10.095
'cause obviously he was still in front
1052
00:45:10.115 --> 00:45:11.415
and probably was gonna stay there,
1053
00:45:11.715 --> 00:45:13.415
but it would've been, you know, obviously
1054
00:45:13.415 --> 00:45:15.535
for the championship much better if Oscar
1055
00:45:15.535 --> 00:45:16.895
had finished second instead of fifth.
1056
00:45:17.555 --> 00:45:19.975
Um, it's kind of the second bogus penalty
1057
00:45:20.165 --> 00:45:23.095
that Oscar's received this year.
1058
00:45:24.235 --> 00:45:27.015
And, you know, for that guy he must just be in this position
1059
00:45:27.015 --> 00:45:28.175
of feeling like, man, like
1060
00:45:28.485 --> 00:45:30.295
what else could go wrong for me at this point?
1061
00:45:30.355 --> 00:45:31.695
You know, it's, it's been, uh,
1062
00:45:31.805 --> 00:45:33.095
it's been a tough stretch for him.
1063
00:45:33.235 --> 00:45:34.255
It has and,
1064
00:45:34.275 --> 00:45:37.415
and now is when the conspiracy theories all start to, to,
1065
00:45:37.435 --> 00:45:40.975
to begin and, and that sort of thing, which there's never a,
1066
00:45:41.085 --> 00:45:42.735
there's never a dull moment in racing.
1067
00:45:43.165 --> 00:45:45.895
Someone who, who said the quote that like,
1068
00:45:47.125 --> 00:45:50.715
motor sports is drama mystery
1069
00:45:50.775 --> 00:45:53.155
and intrigue interrupted every seven days
1070
00:45:53.215 --> 00:45:54.435
by a motor race or something.
1071
00:45:54.505 --> 00:45:57.595
Like, there's , it's a famous quote by, by someone
1072
00:45:57.655 --> 00:45:59.235
who was in, in the sport a while ago.
1073
00:45:59.375 --> 00:46:01.385
Um, and it's true, Tim
1074
00:46:01.385 --> 00:46:02.385
Woke that up in the fact check,
1075
00:46:02.925 --> 00:46:06.705
But, uh, it's setting us up for a good final three.
1076
00:46:07.145 --> 00:46:09.545
I still think Max is gonna make a run at it
1077
00:46:09.545 --> 00:46:12.585
because as we said last week, he doesn't lose in America.
1078
00:46:13.405 --> 00:46:16.265
So he is gonna win in Vegas. Um, he's
1079
00:46:16.265 --> 00:46:17.265
Got a really good shot in Vegas
1080
00:46:17.765 --> 00:46:21.065
And I don't know, I still think there's some, some,
1081
00:46:21.415 --> 00:46:25.145
some DNFs to unfold here in our future. But, uh, time
1082
00:46:25.255 --> 00:46:27.465
He's, he's got, yeah, McLaren's not
1083
00:46:27.465 --> 00:46:28.625
traditionally great in Vegas.
1084
00:46:28.865 --> 00:46:31.745
I know it's a small sample size and McLaren
1085
00:46:31.745 --> 00:46:33.705
and Ferri can be, so they could get in the mix.
1086
00:46:33.705 --> 00:46:35.665
If Red Bull's up there and McLaren have a bad day
1087
00:46:35.665 --> 00:46:38.185
and the other two slash four are up in the mix there,
1088
00:46:38.215 --> 00:46:39.385
that could swing things.
1089
00:46:39.905 --> 00:46:42.705
I do think Qatar is still gonna be more of an Oscar track.
1090
00:46:42.935 --> 00:46:44.345
He's just, he's very quick there.
1091
00:46:44.365 --> 00:46:45.385
Not that Lao's not,
1092
00:46:45.445 --> 00:46:48.225
but it's more suited to his kind of style
1093
00:46:48.405 --> 00:46:51.345
and, um, the strengths that we've seen outta him this year.
1094
00:46:52.085 --> 00:46:54.185
And I think that's gonna be a, a big test of,
1095
00:46:54.725 --> 00:46:56.105
has Lando just freely improved?
1096
00:46:56.245 --> 00:46:58.185
Has Oscar really sort of lost his way a bit?
1097
00:46:58.485 --> 00:47:00.985
Um, just 'cause it's one where you kind of expect that,
1098
00:47:01.045 --> 00:47:02.145
but I don't know.
1099
00:47:02.155 --> 00:47:03.225
We'll see. It is exciting.
1100
00:47:03.255 --> 00:47:04.345
It's, it's good to see, you know,
1101
00:47:04.445 --> 00:47:06.345
at one point in the season, you know, midseason,
1102
00:47:06.405 --> 00:47:07.625
we thought Oscar was gonna have this
1103
00:47:07.625 --> 00:47:08.665
thing locked up by Austin.
1104
00:47:08.965 --> 00:47:12.385
And so I'm, I'm super stoked when you're working these
1105
00:47:12.395 --> 00:47:13.825
races, it's a lot better when there's a
1106
00:47:13.825 --> 00:47:15.545
championship battle going on. Oh, hell
1107
00:47:15.545 --> 00:47:16.545
Yeah.
1108
00:47:16.545 --> 00:47:16.885
Um,
1109
00:47:17.295 --> 00:47:19.905
Huge congrats to Kim Antonelli best finish
1110
00:47:19.905 --> 00:47:21.345
of his career up on the podium.
1111
00:47:21.565 --> 00:47:24.185
Had some crazy pressure from Vertin at the end there
1112
00:47:24.185 --> 00:47:25.785
and he did not put a, a wheel wrong.
1113
00:47:26.095 --> 00:47:29.885
It's great to see that. And, uh, yeah man, it's,
1114
00:47:29.905 --> 00:47:31.205
it was, it was an exciting race.
1115
00:47:31.245 --> 00:47:32.965
I mean, that track is known for having a lot
1116
00:47:32.965 --> 00:47:35.365
of overtaking it's way above the season average.
1117
00:47:35.785 --> 00:47:36.805
And I, I mean,
1118
00:47:36.825 --> 00:47:39.125
max alone I think passed more cars than the season
1119
00:47:39.125 --> 00:47:40.245
average so far this year.
1120
00:47:40.825 --> 00:47:43.085
So, um, yeah, entertaining race,
1121
00:47:43.085 --> 00:47:45.805
even though it was a sprint weekend, which normally can lead
1122
00:47:45.805 --> 00:47:48.805
to a boring Grand Prix, it was, uh, it was a banger.
1123
00:47:49.235 --> 00:47:51.405
What, uh, what do you have coming up in the next week?
1124
00:47:52.515 --> 00:47:56.625
Well, James, it's snowing outside, which is crazy.
1125
00:47:56.865 --> 00:47:58.065
I heard, like,
1126
00:47:58.665 --> 00:48:00.145
I dunno if you can see that I'm kind of excited.
1127
00:48:00.925 --> 00:48:03.865
Um, I leave tomorrow morning to go to Charlotte,
1128
00:48:04.205 --> 00:48:08.575
Monday in Charlotte, back Monday night, back
1129
00:48:08.575 --> 00:48:13.135
to Charlotte on Wednesday, so yeah, a lot of, of Charlotte.
1130
00:48:14.195 --> 00:48:18.145
Um, but that's okay. That's, but yes. Anyways, I
1131
00:48:18.145 --> 00:48:19.105
Don't know what we're gonna talk about next week,
1132
00:48:19.105 --> 00:48:19.825
but we'll see you then.
1133
00:48:19.825 --> 00:48:21.305
Thanks. Thanks for coming along. Bye.
1134
00:48:22.935 --> 00:48:24.905
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1135
00:48:25.165 --> 00:48:28.425
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1136
00:48:28.845 --> 00:48:30.025
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