Speaker 1: This is off track.
Hello everybody. Welcome to Off Track with Hinch and Rossi.
James is on a yacht in The Bahamas. So here I am with Tim.
I'm conducting a Tuesday episode,
but, uh, so lucky to be joined by um, someone
who I've known for, for quite a few years now, um,
but is kind of making her her debut, um,
and her mark in Indie Next, uh, Hailey Degan.
Thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for having me.
I wouldn't mind being in
The Bahamas on a yacht. It sounds pretty
much Speaker 1: .
I know, right? It sounds
way better than whatever we're doing.
Yeah. Um, so let's, let's get right into it.
Um, why don't you, for those that don't know, um, there's,
it's not a coincidence.
So Deegan is your last name.
So Brian Deegan's, your dad, um, obviously, uh,
hugely successful in, in the world
of motocross and, and dirt bikes and everything.
Was racing kind of always on your radar
and was it always cars or did
dirt bikes ever cross your mind?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I started racing when I was about eight,
and that was at the time my dad just started getting
out of Modo.
And, um, he was still doing X Games but not racing.
He was doing the freestyle stuff
and made the transition to off-road racing.
And that's when I kinda took interest in it.
'cause I saw kids my age doing it, which is like such a,
there's so little people
that have come from like the off-road sinks.
It's so West Coast, it's, it was like its own little world.
Like it felt massive at the time
because like obviously you're a part of it.
And then like now looking at
it, I'm like, man, that was crazy.
Like, it was just its own little form of racing like that.
That's all we knew. And there's a few kids I've gotten out
and like gone to NASCAR and different things
and done a bunch of different stuff,
but like, it's very, very small amount.
But I had, uh, saw other kids my age racing
and like I was the type kid, I see you do it as a kid.
I wanted to do it. And so I just from that moment
was I begged my parents
and I was like, please, please, please, you know,
like first kid spoiled rotten by my mom and, and, um,
and so it was perfect timing
because my dad, my dad was there already
and it was kind of, I can be, I was there, I was
with my family hanging out, so why not?
Speaker 1: And so what, what age was that?
Speaker 2: That was at I, for my eighth birthday.
I got my first off-road truck ,
that was my birthday present .
Speaker 1: And so you talk about the off-road racing
and stuff, you know, I have a little bit of awareness of it.
Um, but are you, for our listeners, are you referring
to like the the score type of championship
or like kings of hammers and everything?
So yeah, so that's part kind your, your trophy truck esque
Speaker 2: Type of thing.
Yeah, so I would say it's pretty much same type
of vehicles, but it was a short course.
Okay. And so it was like on like a, almost like a,
what people would say, like road course style mm-hmm .
Um, but it was just like a shorter course minute, lap times,
something around that.
And um, but it was like Baja style on a short course. Right.
And then that series kind of has fizzled out now,
so it's not like much you can look up anymore .
Speaker 1: Right. And then, so you started that at eight
and was the goal you just,
at this point you just wanted to drive mm-hmm .
Cars and, and trucks 'cause your dad was doing it
and it seemed like a cool thing to do.
Got it. So then at what point in your life did you decide,
all right, this is something that I
wanna continue as a profession.
I'm good enough at it and like let's lay out the roadmap
for, for what I'm gonna do as as an adult?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think obviously my dad was really good at
everything he did when it came to racing.
Like whatever form of racing he was in, he succeeded at.
And like, I saw my dad doing that, so I'm like,
okay, I wanna be like my dad.
I wanna do the same thing. I wanna succeed.
And so, um, I think he really like instilled in me a lot
of like, drive when it comes to that.
Like figure it out, like
however long it takes,
whatever you gotta do, try to figure it out.
And so, um, he obviously helped me a lot.
And so when I really started winning, like when I,
when I was like 12, 13 years old,
that's when it went from this is fun to, this is serious to
where like, I wanna beat everyone out there.
I don't care to make friends type of deal.
And so I think it really changed a lot for me
around like my young teen years.
Speaker 1: So then was you're, you're kind
of transition into road racing, correct me if I'm wrong,
but it was really through kind of the ARCA
championship. Was that,
Speaker 2: Was that the first Yeah, it was, uh,
KNN back when it was KN
mm-hmm Speaker 1: . Yeah. And then
Speaker 2: Now it's all with arca.
Speaker 1: And so looking quickly, um, kind of at your resume,
'cause I didn't want to get anything wrong.
I was blown away with the amount of races that you've done,
not only in KNN and ARCA and trucks mm-hmm .
Xfinity to, to a certain extent.
So all of those years and,
and all of those races that you did, you know, are kind
of on a, on a ladder and a progression to get to cup, right?
Mm-hmm. That's everyone's goal, you know, it's obviously a,
it gets very finite towards the top of mm-hmm.
Of only so many drivers. You're doing it.
Where then did the idea for kind
of the open wheel stuff come about?
Speaker 2: I mean, I've always loved road course racing.
Like I, I gotta do with Ford
and I'm still with Ford to this day.
Um, and with Ford I gotta go do the GT four stuff and Im a
and um, I fished on the podium there, one of the races,
like it was gen I genuinely, like, I really enjoyed
that stuff, had a blast doing it.
And it was just like a great experience.
And I've always like, I love go-karting.
Like I just loved it.
And so when I kind of saw an opportunity like, oh, I kind
of wanna check this out, like see how it is
and kind of like learn and build myself as a driver.
See if I get better at something.
Like, say I feel like for me, I just, I love racing.
I'll race whatever I can.
People offer me a dirt late mall ride. I'll go drive it.
Like I really don't care.
It could be a street sock and I'll go drive it.
Like I, I really do not care. I'll drive anything .
And so I think that's kind of where I see it as, okay,
this is like a different avenue to try out
and I know I'll build my skillset to the driver
because it is a challenge. It is hard.
Speaker 1: And, and I guess that,
that leads really well into my next question.
So what is like the biggest adaptation that you've had?
You know, you mentioned you did some of the GT four stuff,
which is kind of a, a pretty nice stepping stone,
if you will, from a true stock car into a, a car
with downforce and, and an open wheel, a car and stuff.
So what's been the biggest kind of hurdle to overcome?
Is, is so much of your background has been kind of in the,
the stock car side, a lot of oval racing stuff.
Like what's been the big learning curve this year?
Speaker 2: Honestly, I think the biggest hurdle
for me is the physical side.
Okay. And, and like I've always worked out my whole life.
Yeah. Just because I love it. I enjoy going to the gym.
I enjoy working out and my family obviously trains a lot.
And my brothers and my dad, everybody.
I mean, even my mom, it works out every single day.
And so I always did that,
but I never really trained with a purpose.
'cause I never had to. I've, NASCAR stuff is not physical.
Physic very physical at least. Sure. Yeah.
And so I think if you just work out,
you're in great shape for nascar.
Whereas this stuff, I,
I think I underplayed the lack of power steering.
Mm. So much that I was like, it was a big eyeopener for me
and like still is to this day.
So we've made a lot of changes to the car to help with that.
But obviously you lose some
of the ability in the car when you do that
'cause you're catering so much to
just trying to be able to survive.
And so that's where for me, like I feel like I'm, like, I'm
behind in time of training and trying to get stronger
and trying to just build up my strength
for having no power steering.
It is such a big difference when you've come from racing
with power steering to make that transition to not have it.
Speaker 3: Do you have any workout tips for Alex
so he can stop being such a weak little bitch?
Speaker 2: obviously he's doing way better than me. .
Speaker 1: Thanks pal. Um, so what, uh, on the physical side of it,
like what do you find so indie next, you know,
they do all the same types of, of tracks that we do, right?
Mm-hmm . You've got your, your ovals,
your road courses, your street courses.
What's, what's like the hardest type of course for you?
Speaker 2: Oh, for sure. Obviously like the,
the road courses are very hard
and like, like Barber was bad for me.
Like physically I'd be like, okay, I'm not
that far off when we get to practice
or qualifying, whatever it is.
Like I'm be okay.
I'm not bad, but like the longevity for me. Sure.
I, I'm dying like
after practice, the second practice I'm back at like the
Airbnb with my hands in like an ice bowl of water.
Just trying to like get some sort of strength back
because I was just like, uh, dying in pain .
And so from just being sore.
So I think tracks like those were hard.
Um, I don't think St Pete, I was like in enough of a rhythm
to like, for it to be hard yet some
Speaker 1: Kind.
Because that would've been your very first like street
course race you've ever done, right? Yes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ever. I never did one
on the NASCAR side.
Yeah. I didn't do Chicago or any of those race. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: And do you, do you enjoy, do you enjoy that type of track?
Speaker 2: I think I actually St Pete,
I didn't mind it a whole lot physically though.
It was definitely hard.
And I, for me, I don't like the, I'm not the biggest fan
of not being able to like, push yourself
and make a mistake in rebound from it.
And so that was one place it's
Speaker 1: Very hard to learn.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Like I'm like, I have to drive at 90%
'cause like, there's no way I can destroy this car right
now trying to figure it out.
Like, and so I was just trying to get through that one.
But like Detroit ended up getting,
there was a massive pile up that clogged everything up
and ended up getting damage at Detroit on lap one.
And so I was, it was that race was kind of whatever.
So like I feel like I haven't really got, now
that I have a little bit of experience,
like a true street course,
I would like to do it again if I could .
Speaker 1: Understood. So let's talk about that.
So obviously you mentioned your, your connection with Ford,
which has been going on for, for a couple of years now.
Um, you're, you're a monster athlete, so you know, a lot of,
a lot of, you know, name brand recognition attached to,
to your name kind of by yourself, right?
You know, obviously being a DE's great, but,
but you've made a name for yourself.
What, what do you envision, um, your path is going forward?
Or is it, or is it, you know, we're in August,
it's a little bit too early to tell,
but like, if you don't have that, what would your,
your dream scenario be?
Speaker 2: Oh man, it's, it's hard to say because I, I'll go
and race whatever, like if an opportunity rose back on the
NASCAR side, I would take that.
Like I, I will do pretty much anything.
I just wanna race, I love racing.
And then also it is hard like with it being in August
to say like, because most sponsors don't even have their
budget set, they're just talking about
budgets for the next year.
And so to be able to say like, Hey guys,
can you approve my deal for next year? ,
it's just so early for companies.
And that's also something that is hard though
because like testing with teams and stuff starts so early
and so it's like October, I'm like,
my deal ain't even done yet.
Like . And so it is kind of weird the timing of everything,
how it happens because when you do have
to bring sponsor money, it's, it makes it very difficult.
'cause these sponsors
and these companies can't fork up
that type of money in January.
Speaker 1: But you also, at the same time, like you said,
you don't want to be behind the eight ball to guys
that have a budget and do start testing.
Yeah. I mean it's, it's the,
it's the worst part of our sport.
You know, we've talked a lot about it on the show.
You know, how much money ultimately is,
is the deciding factor for so many people,
and it shouldn't be like that.
Mm-hmm. It's, it's something that, that we all have to deal
with at some time or another.
Okay. So let's, let's take a couple steps back.
Um, I'm always super curious about kind of the,
the relationship that exists between a parent athlete
and a child athlete and, and,
and talk us through like kind of
how you've managed that with your dad.
'cause you know, my, my father, um,
wasn't a race car driver,
but he's been my manager kind of since day one.
And so through the 20 plus years
that we've been on this journey, you know, you have
that sometimes it's hard to separate the, the business guy
and then the dad guy.
But I imagine that's even more convoluted when it's someone
who like has an opinion because they've done it.
Mm-hmm . So walk us through how you guys,
how you guys do that so successfully.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think growing up it was really funny
because we were all so competitive growing up.
Like me and my little brother Hayden were so competitive.
It was always, and even between my dad, like it was,
we had this kind of like bar counter at our house growing up
in California and it was like whoever has won the last race
gets their trophy up there.
Yeah. And so it was like we were constantly kicking
each other off the bar counter.
That was like a big deal. And like, we had a part
of the house, there was a whole room in the house just
for like our trophies and it was like a constant like,
oh my trophy's up this week on the bar counter type of deal.
And it was like between literally my little
brother, me and my dad.
And so I think we all were, we're kind
of on the same, like, we loved it.
And like that's how we kind of,
I feel like our relationship is
so strong is because of racing.
And so like, like I couldn't imagine if I did like,
because I did whatever, say I went to college
for volleyball, whatever it is.
Yeah. Like, I couldn't imagine trying to talk
to my dad about that because like, I feel like so much
of our relationship has been built off racing
and our experiences in racing.
And so I think that it's made us very, very close
and very strong on that side.
But like, I think we're all, our mentality is all the same.
Like, I'm very tomboy mentality, aggressive personality.
Like I'm not Miss Princess girl. Sure.
Like I just, I don't talk like that.
I talk like one of the guys like Yeah.
And I think that's why I'm able to get along
with crew guys also so Well,
and so like a lot of the crew guys, it's pretty funny.
Like when I go to a new team
or somewhere, they're like, okay,
like we don't know what we can say around here.
We don't know if she's gonna be like offended about this
or that and like, whatever.
And like immediately me and my crew guys always click
and they're like, wow, we didn't expect you to be like this.
I'm like, what'd you guys expect me to be? Like, .
And so I think that I just, I, I see myself
as pretty much the same as everyone else.
And I think coming from family to raise teams, whatever
that is like, and I can kind of,
I feel like my personality gets along
with a lot, a different type of people.
Speaker 1: I mean that's awesome because it's, it's always,
it's always cool when you hear that answer versus like,
oh yeah, it's, it's, you know, I I feel like I kind
of lost a parent through the process
'cause there was so much pressure and stress mm-hmm .
So it's, it's nice that that family dynamic, especially
with your brother and, and your mom as well has,
has stayed intact through all this.
Um, because for sure it's not always easy, right?
There's always mm-hmm .
A lot of, of stress and,
and uncertainties that come with it.
So you mentioned a little bit about getting along so well
with, with crew members and people you compete against
being a woman in the sport.
You know, we've talked to, to Catherine, um,
leg quite a few times on this show
and she always kind of struggled to grapple with, okay,
do I want, do I want to not bring attention to that
or do I want to bring attention to that?
And, and, you know, have somewhat of a leg up in terms
of getting potential partnership deals and, and brand deals
and, and endorsement deals and that sort of thing.
And it, I imagine it's, it's quite a,
a fine line to walk, right?
Because you want to be viewed as, as one of the guys
and you just wanna be viewed as another competitor,
but at the same time you've got some leverage
that the others don't have.
Mm-hmm . Has that been difficult to kind of find your way?
Or has it been pretty, pretty seamless?
Speaker 2: I mean, and like there is certain, like,
and I feel like when you talk about this type thing,
in my eyes, how I see it is like, okay, partnering
with certain brands, stuff that aligns with your image
and who you wanna portray yourself versus just like
accepting every deal that comes your way.
And so, uh, for me,
I'm super big on like, I won't work with people.
I've turned down quite a few deals
because it just doesn't align
with either I don't like the brand,
I know I won't use a product
or it's something that like, I'm like, that is not me.
I do not wanna be associated with that whatsoever.
And so I think there's a lot of that that does happen.
It's always the ones that like you do not wanna be
associated with looks bad, like
with your image that wanna pay the most.
It's always, always.
And so I think when it comes to that side of things, it,
I've tried to stay true to myself.
Like I'm so thankful that like the deals I do have
with Monster, like I'm a caffeine addict,
like start to finish.
I drink at least one energy,
you drink a day, everyone always asks me.
They're like, oh, it's water in your can.
So I guess there's like a stigma talking about that.
I'm like, no, it's not like, no. Yeah.
I'm like, when you see me walking to the grid
with like a white monster, the monster ultra in my hands,
like I'm genuinely drinking it.
And so I think when it's working with brands like that,
like my dream car when I turned 16, I,
I wanted a Ford Raptor, like,
and there's so many different things.
I love cooking. I cook everything from scratch.
And so having a partner from
that's like pit boss grills that I have.
Amazing. And so I, I try to align myself with brands
that are going to, that are going
to truly portray me and I'm gonna use a product.
I won't do it if I'm not gonna use it.
Speaker 3: Amazing. That's good to hear.
Speaker 2: Yeah. , Speaker 3: There's, there's been a lot
with drivers on social media over the last, you know, decade
or so, as, as drivers figure out that they need
to use social media to reach fans
and to, to have a presence for sponsors.
I mean now you have kind
of a pushback like Joseph Newgarden unfollowing everybody on
social media or some drivers getting trouble,
including his wife for liking stuff, including his wife.
He had to actively unfollow his wife. Wild. Yeah.
Um, I don't know if she was still pregnant at the time
or if that was after the baby was born,
but it's a wild move.
Um, but you, you like have taken to social media
seemingly really naturally
and have a, like a large following and,
and are able to stay in touch with fans.
So how, how do you balance, you know, putting
that out while also focusing on the craft?
Or is that just second nature at this point?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think, and I, I truly like, I think my dad
for this side of things, 'cause like my dad was popular
and like back on the marketing side
before there was social media.
Now marketing is so easy,
it's like at everyone's fingertips.
But like back in my dad's day, it was hard.
Like, like you had tv like
and just the presence of you being around.
And he like made this massive fan base
that supported his clothing brand
and a massive clothing brand, um,
with Metal Musha back in the day.
Like it did amazing.
It was in Macy's, Dillard's, um, Tillies,
like all these places that he was able to do
that off his marketing
and his like tactics with that without social media.
Now it is just like, nope.
I post on social media and I get views
or go viral, whatever, whatever.
And people are like, oh, you're a mastermind in marketing.
It's like, no, it's just at your fingertips now.
And so I truly thank my dad for that side of things
because he is so knowledgeable on that side.
And uh, when it comes to posting on social media,
like I've always just been super real and myself
and it's done well.
And like obviously I have a name because with my dad
and everything that gets me like somewhat of a following.
But I feel like I've started to find my, like,
niches on social media stuff I like posting
and I just like be honest.
And I, it is pretty funny
'cause I feel like I hit the wave on the NASCAR side, like
with my YouTube channel to where like at first when I,
it was me and my, like my fiance now, um, now fiance, um,
back then when we were dating
and stuff, like he, he raced too.
He raced back. We met racing K and n and arca.
And when he stopped racing she was in
the der for diversity deal.
So it was a free program pretty much.
And um, he just went out there and raced.
Well, he didn't have a sponsor might obviously go further,
which you have to have in racing.
And so he was helping me out on the social side
and like, I feel like people kind of made fun
of us in the beginning, like within the garage be
because of me filming like YouTube and doing everything
and having a camera on 24 7.
And then next thing you know,
like it's people texting us like, hey,
when are you guys posting the next YouTube video?
And like, kind of getting on us about it a few years later.
And it's, I was like, it's funny how the tables like turn
with that and now everyone has a YouTube channel in NASCAR
and is posting on that and trying to figure it out
and hey, let's collab, let's do this.
And I'm like, it's funny how things change once you start
seeing like the power of it,
Speaker 3: You can like and subscribe to our YouTube
channel. Speaker 1: .
So Tim, so Tim, Tim wrote a children's book, um, .
So he thought it was the marketing
that was the problem on social media.
It turns out it was not . Um, it was just terrible book.
Anyways, ,
Speaker 2: I'm sure it was great. I'm serious,
Speaker 1: Which you can buy on Amazon. I
Speaker 4: Was taken out.
Speaker 1: Um, so anyways, that's, uh,
that's all the time we have for now.
We don't wanna take any more of it,
but thank you very much for coming on
and um, you know, we will be following very closely
what you do in the future, um, and,
and we love everything you're doing. So keep it up.
Speaker 2: Thank you. I appreciate it.
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