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This is off track.
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That's early long time. No. See James, how you doing pal?
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I haven't seen you in hours. I'm doing well. I
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Haven't seen you in hours.
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I got a nice, I got a nice sleep last night.
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A nice properly length sleep last night, thanks to you.
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No problem. I didn't, no, no fault of anyone's.
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I just that so much, so much caffeine on a Sunday
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that like I just can't sleep.
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So is that like just your typical race day,
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like caffeine boost or did you take extra caffeine
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'cause you were flying home after a race?
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Um, yes. Got out,
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Got out.
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I think, I think a banana might be the worst thing
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to eat while recording a podcast.
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Just in terms of the sound,
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Please feel almost time.
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It's breakfast time guys. .
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It's, we're doing this on Monday morning,
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which we don't normally do.
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We, we haven't even done a Tuesday
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Morning at 9:00 AM Yeah,
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we're doing it Monday morning on
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9:00 AM after a race weekend.
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'cause we care that much about you.
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And we were actually, James
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and I were talking about this on the way
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to the airport yesterday, Sunday, um, after the event.
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And we are still, still blown away
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and also appreciative of all you who listened to this show.
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Um, because it is, it's now everyone
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that I come across at the track, every single one of you,
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um, mentioned the show and how much you despise Tim.
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So, you know, it's just a win on all fronts. Yeah.
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For really all of us. And it's great. Yeah.
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So thank you. Maybe
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Not all of us.
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I get Look. No, Tim also admit
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You're back. So
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I'll admit I get the odd person asking like if you're
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here, um, oh, me
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Too.
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Because they just so they can find you and make fun of you.
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Well they, a lot of them want like the picture trifecta.
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Right. A a lot of them want a picture with all three of us
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to say they've done it, which is greatly appreciated.
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My, my usual is thank God no, you know, .
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Um, but um, they do ask, they do ask.
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It's not, it's not that they care, but they do ask. Okay,
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So you had a big weekend, Tim, you uh, you ran a race
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for really no reason.
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Um, yeah. Do you wanna talk about that?
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I mean, same could be said to you pal. .
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I mean,
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Get paid to do the race.
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You did it outta just, I don't know.
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Did you at least raise money
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for some worthy cause or something? No,
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I sure didn't.
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I spent, um, I, I thought about it like the amount
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that I spent to get here
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and then also like pay the registration.
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Let's break that down. So, I mean,
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obviously we're talking about the Indy Mini Marathon.
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It's a half marathon here, uh, in Indianapolis.
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Let's, from from the day you decided to do this,
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At least a thousand dollars
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because you, I don't know if it's at least,
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But it's gotta be close.
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Let, let's talk about the pure financial commitment.
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Nevermind the emotional and physical commitment.
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Uh, yeah, I mean the registration
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and then I, like I bought all the pre stuff.
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Like I brought, I got the, the pre photo package thing,
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which I don't know how to get.
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I, I got like the, IIII paid to get my, my metal engraved
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with my name and my time beforehand.
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Yep. But Tim, but I didn't find where to do
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that. But . But for
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For sure you spent like $185 on shoes, right?
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Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
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It's for sure. You spent $500 on flights?
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Probably. No, probably
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Thousand booked in advance. I booked in advance.
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I'll, I'll pass, I'll pass.
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I'll give him a pass on the flight.
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'cause he comes to Indie in May.
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No, but he's coming back. Oh
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Right.
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He's going home. That go tomorrow. Yeah.
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No, this was just for this. No,
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that was okay. Mm-hmm. Yeah. You're
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Mean.
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I stayed with family, right?
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So I didn't have to pay for lodging.
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You're in this a k maybe
A little. What about less? But
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What about all of the beers you consume yesterday
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to replace the calories you burned
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That courtesy of our good friend Depu . Oh, nice.
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Deep. Got his credit card out.
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. I went and watched, uh, I watched the race, uh, with BI
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and Depu and uh, so that, that part,
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Let me guess.
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No, there were Ubers there started with Coach
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And we did not go to coaches.
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We went to, we went to Bischoff's Place.
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I, it's funny because I was,
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I was actively texting with them.
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I was actually actively texting with B
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and Deep with the entire
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race ever once mentioned you were there.
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Yeah, we were talking about,
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'cause we really wanna know why Jack Harvey is called
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dj because that was
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Just, yeah.
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I also don't uncomfortable.
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I do love that Nolan threw that out there.
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And we will now investigate that .
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Are you sure that Nolan didn't get Jack?
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No. Confused with actual dj?
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No, no, no. That, that's what I thought happened. Okay.
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So when Jack was doing his grid walk, he found Nolan
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and Nolan just put his helmet on
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and they, they did a quick interview
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and he goes, Hey, what's up dj?
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And in that moment I was like,
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oh no, that's so bad. You thought it was
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DJ Clark? Yeah.
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Yeah. And then, um, and then,
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and then Jack kinda looks at the camera.
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He is like, luckily nobody knows why. That's my nickname.
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And kind of keeps going.
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And so it was like immediately which
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Way worse. Now we need
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Yeah, you've totally just opened Pandora's Box there pal.
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We will be finding out
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and we will be broadcasting it on this show,
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which we now know is listened to by a lot of people.
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Um, so I, I do want to touch on,
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on the off track listeners,
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because there was some funny things
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that happened during many, first
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Of all, phrasing.
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Please don't, I mean we're gonna get gonna get you a lot
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of trouble if you start ing on the off track
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Listeners.
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That's right. Not without consent, obviously , um,
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there was, so there was somebody
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before the race who recognized me from the podcast.
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And, and that was, that was cool.
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And then as I was running up Main Street in Speedway,
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somebody goes, Hey, it's Tim Durham.
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And I was like, that's awesome.
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Like somebody from off track is, is recognizing me running.
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At the end of it, people were
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like, come on Tim, you got this.
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And I'm thinking, man, a lot
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of people recognize off track not realizing
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that I had a piece of paper with my name on it.
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It's written. Yeah. Right there. Like they were just being
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supportive 'cause they could tell I needed it.
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That was just, that was just strangers helping strangers.
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'cause I looked like I was about to die.
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Fair. Like that was just the,
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the the last mile support system. Yeah.
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And I, and I needed it . What
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Um, I, I went in thinking that like I would, I just wanted
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to go faster than 12 minute miles.
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Okay. And I did 1155 minute miles. Oh
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So, so were you like, do you have one of those apps
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that was like giving you speed updates?
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My, my reverse or whatever.
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My, my trend is terrible. Right?
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, it was like, I started at like 10 40, then 10 45,
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then 1115, then 1150 .
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Like I just, I fell off, uh,
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right on the north ch of the track.
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I fell off hard. Did
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Right after you sent us a text message with a picture
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of you running across the bricks.
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Yeah. Yeah. Um, did you
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stop running at any point and walk
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or did you stay forward? No, I
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Forward
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Okay. Forward momentum the whole time.
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I did think I might throw up at one point and didn't. Okay.
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So that I almost did, but no stayed.
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I was getting passed by people
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who were like pushing other people
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because they have this, like, they have this program
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where if people can't run it, they, they're like in their,
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they're running wheelchairs or whatever
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and a volunteer will push them the length of the course. .
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And I was passed by one of those guys,
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which was not great. ,
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I'm sorry you did it. I didn't.
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I'm not, I'm not, that's, I'm not gonna, I picked
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My base back up after that happened. I was like, I least
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Yeah. That's a s nice motivator. That's a nice shot. Oh man.
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So, um, would you ever do something like this
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I, right after I finished I said never again.
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And then like two days out I was like, yeah, maybe.
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It's like, it's like doing Daytona. Yeah. .
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It could be a fun tradition, right?
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Like I gotta, I have a very easily beatable pr , you know,
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You got a goal, you got a benchmark.
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Now. Uh, Tim, if if, if it's a free weekend next year
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and you do it, I will do it with you.
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How about we both do it. I don't wanna do it with you.
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That was the mistake I ran with my brother
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and he was like a much faster pace than I was.
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So that's where I think I hit that wall.
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Oh, you tried to keep up at the, at the beginning. Yeah.
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I did that once. We did the, the Turkey trot,
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which is just like a 5K on Thanksgiving morning.
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Yeah. Um, but I did it with Dixon
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and this was when I was younger and I
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wasn't as big a runner.
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Not that I would be able to keep up
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with him even in my running prime,
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but I was like trying to keep up with Dixon
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for the first like 2K and that was a big mistake.
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K three and four were not
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fun.
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I kept up with him for the first eight miles,
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which is why the last That's solid man.
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Last five miles were terrible . Yeah. Yeah.
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Well good. Congratulations buddy.
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That's actually a huge deal. What
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Did you do?
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You, I'm gonna wear the hell out of this hoodie, by the way.
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As you should. Um,
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you burned 2200 calories or something during the run.
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Yeah, yeah. 2,240.
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So how did you, what was your go-to replacement meal?
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Margaritas. Hmm.
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They hit.
I love your health
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and fitness journey you're on.
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It's really, it's really inspiring for, for all
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of us, you know, know does this
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Running for no reason and, uh, just months
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Of training, placing
It with alcohol and sugar.
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Boom, boom.
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Look, here's the way I look at it. You for sponsoring that.
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I was going to have those margaritas either way,
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so like at least I balanced it out.
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You were a couple days earlier. Today's Cinco de Mayo.
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That's true. I'm also gonna have those today.
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What are we doing later, James?
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I don't know. We should probably go find somewhere to,
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I guess this is the worst day to go try
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to find somewhere to have tacos.
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So we're probably not gonna do that.
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Oh, maybe I get Becky to make her salmon tacos.
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She makes bal salmon tacos. I'll be you. Anyway.
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Um, congrats. That was good.
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Um, speaking of food, I got, I have a,
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I have a little grind my gears thing here.
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Do you ever, Alex, do you ever buy soup from like,
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like not canned soup, like, you know, whole
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Foods?
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Foods or soup? Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
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I, I mean, I have, you have,
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I don't make a habit out of it.
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It's a, it's a desperation play if like, I'm, yeah.
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Yeah. So I'm not a big guy in general,
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but I do like having one of those on deck
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for like an emergency last minute
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lunch or something. If I'm
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In between like refrigerated. Yeah,
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That's a bad idea. Don't check in the fridge. Why?
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Well, because that's not meant
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to be stored. It's got no like,
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No, for like, for like a week.
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Like, I, I got, I do one a week. I
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Do one a week still that's pushing it, but okay,
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Whatever.
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So do you, do you remember how like,
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so they were in like the plastic jars,
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but then they've got like the plastic seal on the top?
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Yeah. It's sort of like how like a yogurt thing
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would have like the foil, right?
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Yes. But it's this plastic seal and it's un rippable.
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The lip that they give you to pull on it is too small.
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The glue is too strong.
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The structural integrity of the plastic jar is weak.
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So as you try to, you, you are like,
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you are like pinching it as hard as you can
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with this tiny little lip.
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And then as you try to pull it back,
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the thing's just folding in
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and you cannot actually rip
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infuriating the plastic off infu.
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You have to get like a knife out and
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stab the plastic and rip it off.
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And it's a mess every time.
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And I am, I'm
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so mad at whoever invented these things. You clearly don't have the same,
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I'm a hundred percent with you
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James
. Okay. No, I
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I I've never done that.
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When I thought you were talking about the, like the hot soup
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that goes in the paper cups with
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The lids.
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No, no, no. I'm not keeping that in my fridge
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For a week.
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Right. That's why I was like, you are a psychopath . Uh, no.
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So I've no, I've never bought plastic soup. I'm
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Gonna buy you a plastic soup thing
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'cause I just want to see your level, your particular brand
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of frustration would be extra entertaining
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while trying to open one of
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These things. .
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It would just nothing but
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patient
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I'm laughing too hard at that. I'm sorry.
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No, I think you were laughing the
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appropriate amount. That's
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Rude .
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I think, I think that was fair.
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Oh guys, I am in a weird mood right now. Mm.
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A way too laughy mood for this time in the morning.
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I, um, so I had a very nice flight home,
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which we'll talk about in a sec.
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My flight out to Barbara, you know
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how we always talk about the early morning flights
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and people leaving the, the shades open?
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This was happening
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and I, when I noticed it was happening,
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I was like, you've gotta be kidding me.
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And I looked over and this guy is passed out face
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smeared up against the window
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with the sun just beaming like straight in.
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I'm like, how is that guy even asleep?
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Definitely that guy was in, he was in bad shape man.
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But I just, I was like, I can't even,
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I can't even be mad at him.
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Like he's literally gonna get a,
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like a sunburn on his face from this flight.
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So I went down to Charlotte, um, on Wednesday
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to get in the sim before Barber I was on 4:30 AM
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or no, I woke up at four 30.
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I was on a 6:00 AM flight. And um, I was supposed
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to just be in the sim for the morning
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and a little bit of the afternoon
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and be on a two 30 flight home.
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Had some stuff to do in indie
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and then was gonna fly my plane down with Ed Thursday,
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early afternoon sort of thing.
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So get an extra, you know, 18, 20 hours at home.
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And, um, so I board the plane in Charlotte
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and we pushed back.
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And Charlotte, Charlotte is a very busy airport these days,
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especially in kind of the afternoon hours.
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And so it was like a, it was an hour
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and it was like a 58 minute flight, uh, flight time.
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But ultimately, like the slot they had booked from like your
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departure to arrival time was like an hour and 40 minutes.
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So clearly they're putting a big buffer in for kind
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of traffic, uh, on taxiways
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and just getting up in the air, right?
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And so we were on the, we were on the taxiway for a while
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and I, I wasn't bothered by it
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'cause like that was to be expected and everything was fine
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and they weren't saying anything over the PA system.
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And uh, my window shade was down
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and I was just watching a show and whatever.
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And then like, it was about 50 minutes had gone by
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and I was like, this is, I mean, we should be,
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we should be pretty much like number one,
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number two in line to take off here.
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And I open the window and I look
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and we are next to the taxiway
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and there's a line of like six planes that is just kind
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of shuttling in front of us.
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And I'm like, okay, we're in one of those super small,
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like we regional jets.
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Yeah. And I'm like, all right,
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we probably are getting boned.
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Like it's it's size prejudice here.
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We're probably getting boned
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because they're trying to get the bigger planes out
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and you'll, they'll get to us when we can.
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So I let it go and another 20 minutes goes
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by still nothing on the, on the intercom.
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And I'm like, okay, like now we're gonna be late.
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Like, okay, fine, 10 minutes late.
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But like, it's weird that no one's saying anything
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and kinda let it go.
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Another 20 minutes goes by still no one's saying anything.
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Wow. And planes are just going by
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and then all of a sudden I look to my left
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and there's no planes
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and I'm like, alright, well surely now it's our time.
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Still didn't move. The next movement the plane made
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was turning around.
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Good, good. And going back to the gate. Good.
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Still nothing on the radio
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or that's nothing on the, on the intercom.
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And I'm like, this is really strange.
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And so finally like people are start, I mean,
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it's a tiny plane, so people in row, like 15, you can hear
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and people are starting to like, like kind of get frustrated
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and antsy or whatever.
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And so the flight attendant, I'm sitting like,
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the left side is only in the single
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seat and I'm in like row three.
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So I'm like four feet from the flight attend .
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So she, she picks up the phone and calls the, the cockpit
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and is like, hey, like people are getting
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restless or whatever.
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So finally the, the captain comes on
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and is like, Hey guys, sorry.
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Um, we had an a PU issue that we were trying to get reset
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and maintenance wants us to be safe.
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A PU is auxiliary power unit.
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It's the little engine in the back
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that controls all of the auxiliary stuff.
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So it's not like super essential for flight,
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but like, you want it, I mean it's, you want, dude,
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they won't fly with the toilet not working, right?
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If the EPU isn't working, they ain't going out.
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Well they can, but anyways, right? Um, so they didn't.
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And so we go back and, uh, they're like, no information.
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They're just like, get off the plane
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and someone will update you.
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And I'm like, that's pretty <inaudible> customer service.
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Like, right, it, I understand there's maintenance failures,
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I understand there's things that happen.
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You gotta keep people a little bit more informed of that
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and not just get off the plane and someone will talk to you.
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Right? So anyways, we stand around the gate for a little bit
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and there's nothing, nothing, nothing.
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Finally they're like, go to gate E 15, there's a new plane.
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Cool. So at this point we were only back in the terminal
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for like 30 minutes, even though we're now like an hour
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and a half delayed, but we're getting reboarding
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and it was a fairly fast turnaround
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for getting a new aircraft.
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So not a big deal. Get on it and push back.
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And again, dealing with like a lot of traffic and,
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and all that sort of thing.
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So the same sort of thing happens
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and we're sitting on the taxi wave for like 30 minutes
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and I'm like, all right, like
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to be expected watching my show again.
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Then we're getting to the 50 minute mark again,
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still nothing from the pilots.
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So nothing, nothing. And I'm running outta shows
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here, right?
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And uh, the next move the plane makes is turning around
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and they're like, uh, so this plane has an a PU fault.
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Um, so we have to go back to the gate
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and now poop are pissed.
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Oh yeah. So at this point, it's the same crew.
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And I'm like, there's no way.
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I think this crew, they gotta clock out soon. No, no.
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I just think this crew sucks, right?
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So anyways, we go back to the gate
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and I'm like, at this point it's,
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I would be getting into India at 10 o'clock
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and I'm like, this is dumb.
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So I get off, I go to the gate agent, I'm like,
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cancel my ticket, I'll figure it out.
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I'll go to barber tomorrow.
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I'm gonna get stay the night, have a nice meal,
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get a full night's rest, all this sort of thing.
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So I'll pause on my future travel adventure
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after I tell this story.
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So I, I'm naturally curious
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flying airplanes and all this sort of thing.
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So I want to keep track of when this plane, you know,
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actually got to where I was supposed to go anyways.
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It was midnight after two missed approaches.
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Like they, and it was no bad weather.
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So I truly think these pilots were completely inept.
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Not only did they go through two
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airplanes, Tim, you're muted.
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Um, not only did they go through two airplanes in order
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to get on the, to get off the ground the first time,
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they couldn't get on the ground
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after two attempts at landing.
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So, uh, probably a good thing I wasn't on it.
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I can't imagine the passengers
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and the frustration they would've had when they
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were on their third attempt
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To land like the first one.
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And then, yeah, this, and after the second time when you
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just feel the guy just hammer the throttle back
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down and like, take off again.
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You're like, you have got to be kidding me. Yeah.
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So my day just went,
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and this is where I believe I have a lot of patience.
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'cause through all this, I was like, this is a a,
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a minor inconvenience, but I don't mind.
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Like what, who cares many.
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I'm gonna, it's where I need to go.
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Let's say you hadn't switched off of that flight.
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How many failed landing attempts before you walk up
508
00:19:03.065 --> 00:19:04.225
and you're like, Hey, I can do
509
00:19:04.225 --> 00:19:05.585
it.
. No,
510
00:19:05.885 --> 00:19:07.025
That's how you get arrested.
511
00:19:07.725 --> 00:19:11.785
Um, so, uh, I,
512
00:19:12.565 --> 00:19:14.785
my engineer and some of the, and Christian
513
00:19:14.785 --> 00:19:16.785
and some of the people were staying at a hotel by the sim.
514
00:19:16.785 --> 00:19:18.785
So I texted them like, Hey, let's go to dinner.
515
00:19:19.405 --> 00:19:22.585
I'm gonna get a room. So I'm in the Uber 25 minute Uber back
516
00:19:22.585 --> 00:19:25.465
to where they are booking a room on the Marriott app.
517
00:19:25.725 --> 00:19:28.105
No problem. 150 bucks, all good.
518
00:19:28.965 --> 00:19:31.785
Get there, go up to the front desk.
519
00:19:32.005 --> 00:19:33.905
I'm like, hand her my ID checking in.
520
00:19:33.915 --> 00:19:36.305
She's like, oh yeah, uh, we don't have you on the system.
521
00:19:36.405 --> 00:19:39.345
I'm like, well here, here's, here's the, the confirmation.
522
00:19:39.455 --> 00:19:41.585
Here it is, it's me and here I am.
523
00:19:42.245 --> 00:19:45.145
And uh, she's like, oh, if you just booked it, yeah,
524
00:19:45.145 --> 00:19:46.585
we're having like a system issue
525
00:19:46.645 --> 00:19:49.265
and we're actually in, in negative capacity.
526
00:19:49.565 --> 00:19:51.345
Uh, so I can't honor that booking.
527
00:19:51.445 --> 00:19:52.785
Um, I'll refund it right now,
528
00:19:52.785 --> 00:19:54.265
but I don't have any rooms for you.
529
00:19:54.365 --> 00:19:56.105
And I was like, oh, cool. So I'm, I just,
530
00:19:56.565 --> 00:19:58.025
I'm now homeless in Charlotte.
531
00:19:58.525 --> 00:20:01.185
Um, so, uh, that,
532
00:20:01.255 --> 00:20:03.265
that was just my adventures getting to barber.
533
00:20:03.785 --> 00:20:06.345
I, I thought I handled it with a lot of grace.
534
00:20:06.705 --> 00:20:07.825
I couldn't get to Birmingham.
535
00:20:07.885 --> 00:20:10.225
So I actually had, did you bunk up with Christian and Drive?
536
00:20:11.045 --> 00:20:12.185
Um, so where did you stay?
537
00:20:13.285 --> 00:20:15.745
Across the street. Okay. There's plenty of hotel
538
00:20:16.615 --> 00:20:20.665
That is just, dude, I, so flying down,
539
00:20:21.465 --> 00:20:25.385
I was on the same trajectory as, uh, Kevin Lee.
540
00:20:26.125 --> 00:20:27.505
And we had a stop in Atlanta
541
00:20:27.505 --> 00:20:28.665
and then we were going to Birmingham
542
00:20:29.485 --> 00:20:31.385
and we had a, we had a similar kind of thing.
543
00:20:31.405 --> 00:20:33.505
We pulled over on the taxiway leaving Indy
544
00:20:34.605 --> 00:20:37.305
and we kind of sat there for a minute.
545
00:20:37.365 --> 00:20:39.025
I'm like, that's not great. And I
546
00:20:39.025 --> 00:20:40.145
was watching the time disappear.
547
00:20:40.145 --> 00:20:41.905
It was a pretty tight connection in Atlanta anyway.
548
00:20:42.925 --> 00:20:46.385
And, uh, they had, they're like, I forget
549
00:20:46.385 --> 00:20:47.405
what problem they said they had.
550
00:20:47.405 --> 00:20:48.525
They're like, yeah, we had some problem.
551
00:20:48.705 --> 00:20:52.005
But we looked at it out there like, we just, you'd be fine.
552
00:20:52.025 --> 00:20:54.325
Sat there, it's fine. I'm like, I don't love that.
553
00:20:54.525 --> 00:20:56.485
I don't love that, but like whatever.
554
00:20:57.625 --> 00:20:59.125
So, uh, so we take off
555
00:20:59.125 --> 00:21:00.365
and like we're doing the math in our head.
556
00:21:00.365 --> 00:21:01.445
We're like, we gotta switch terminals.
557
00:21:01.445 --> 00:21:02.525
Like this isn't gonna be good.
558
00:21:02.745 --> 00:21:04.285
So we're like texting each other on the plane
559
00:21:05.565 --> 00:21:07.225
and we both had our Delta app up
560
00:21:07.225 --> 00:21:08.705
and we're like, they're offering us another flight
561
00:21:08.865 --> 00:21:10.625
'cause we're not gonna make like, like we can
562
00:21:10.625 --> 00:21:11.745
maybe make it if we sprint.
563
00:21:11.765 --> 00:21:14.145
Do we try? And we both was like, nah, pull, pull the shoot.
564
00:21:14.145 --> 00:21:16.705
And we did the in flight adjustment to the next one.
565
00:21:16.965 --> 00:21:18.745
So that was kind of nice. And look,
566
00:21:18.745 --> 00:21:19.745
while we're talking travel,
567
00:21:19.765 --> 00:21:22.345
before we get into racing my flight home,
568
00:21:23.065 --> 00:21:24.105
I wanna talk about my flight home.
569
00:21:24.785 --> 00:21:29.665
I had a great trip here, street home, . It was not the best
570
00:21:29.665 --> 00:21:31.585
smelling trip I've had in the air.
571
00:21:32.485 --> 00:21:36.385
Um, but it was so, uh, Alex
572
00:21:36.605 --> 00:21:38.025
and Ed were flying home
573
00:21:38.165 --> 00:21:42.945
and graciously, uh, agreed to let me hitchhike a ride back
574
00:21:43.325 --> 00:21:44.625
to get me home significantly,
575
00:21:44.625 --> 00:21:46.025
sooner than I would've been otherwise.
576
00:21:46.805 --> 00:21:50.375
And, um, it was, there was some weather,
577
00:21:51.745 --> 00:21:54.385
I don't know like where that rates on your weather
578
00:21:54.515 --> 00:21:55.545
experience, Alex,
579
00:21:56.605 --> 00:21:57.905
At the bottom, that was not weather
580
00:21:57.905 --> 00:21:59.025
at the bottom. That was just some clouds.
581
00:21:59.495 --> 00:22:00.825
Some clouds. But like there was some
582
00:22:00.835 --> 00:22:02.225
turbulence in the clouds.
583
00:22:04.305 --> 00:22:05.515
Dude, there's no turbulence
584
00:22:05.515 --> 00:22:07.395
until your head is literally pounding the ceiling
585
00:22:07.455 --> 00:22:09.835
and the autopilot disconnects. So no.
586
00:22:10.535 --> 00:22:12.395
So that's happened.
Oh yeah.
587
00:22:13.615 --> 00:22:16.355
And that's okay with you .
It's fine.
588
00:22:16.985 --> 00:22:19.875
Okay. Yeah. I'm not gonna lie, it was, there was a few,
589
00:22:20.295 --> 00:22:23.995
few, like jostle in the back, you know, back in steerage, ,
590
00:22:24.855 --> 00:22:28.515
uh, that was, uh, some of the bigger like
591
00:22:29.315 --> 00:22:31.355
movements I have felt in a small aircraft.
592
00:22:31.815 --> 00:22:33.715
And like, I wasn't worried, like I was fine,
593
00:22:33.775 --> 00:22:35.515
but it was just like, oh yeah, like it's clouds
594
00:22:35.575 --> 00:22:36.635
and small aircraft.
595
00:22:36.865 --> 00:22:38.795
Like they're not a, they don't love it. Well,
596
00:22:38.795 --> 00:22:39.795
No.
597
00:22:39.795 --> 00:22:41.355
So that's why, you know, so what we were flying
598
00:22:41.355 --> 00:22:42.355
through was green
599
00:22:42.495 --> 00:22:44.515
and we've discussed the color scale, right?
600
00:22:44.535 --> 00:22:46.395
Yes. Purple back.
601
00:22:46.595 --> 00:22:49.995
I mean, moving, moving a, a significant amount, right?
602
00:22:50.015 --> 00:22:51.595
But like completely within
603
00:22:51.595 --> 00:22:53.315
the threshold of the plane, right? Not a problem.
604
00:22:53.655 --> 00:22:55.315
Not a
Problem. Then you've got, then you've got yellow,
605
00:22:55.315 --> 00:22:58.715
which is like, you're, you're moving more,
606
00:22:58.855 --> 00:23:00.835
but still, well, within the threshold of the plane,
607
00:23:01.305 --> 00:23:02.955
then you've got the specs of red
608
00:23:03.205 --> 00:23:05.115
where your head's gonna hit the ceiling
609
00:23:05.135 --> 00:23:06.515
and the autopilot's gonna disconnect.
610
00:23:06.735 --> 00:23:10.275
But still, as long as you are like at the maneuvering speed,
611
00:23:10.275 --> 00:23:12.235
and as long as it's not like solid red,
612
00:23:12.235 --> 00:23:15.155
it's just little flickers of red again, you're fine.
613
00:23:15.865 --> 00:23:19.075
Okay. Purple. You dead, you die. Right? .
614
00:23:19.275 --> 00:23:21.515
So like, if you, if you think about the scale,
615
00:23:21.785 --> 00:23:24.155
like you were at a one out of four, right?
616
00:23:24.375 --> 00:23:27.595
So you can imagine why the four is so bad, right?
617
00:23:27.655 --> 00:23:29.515
And why it rips wings off. I can. Yeah, dude,
618
00:23:29.555 --> 00:23:32.355
I don't even wanna, I I I would have nightmares even
619
00:23:32.355 --> 00:23:33.355
trying to imagine
620
00:23:33.745 --> 00:23:36.715
what red would be like based on that being green.
621
00:23:37.895 --> 00:23:40.075
So, um, I was, let's put it this way,
622
00:23:40.115 --> 00:23:42.995
I was very happy I had not cracked my diet coke that I had
623
00:23:43.235 --> 00:23:45.445
'cause I would've been wearing it , uh,
624
00:23:45.505 --> 00:23:49.045
and I would've I would've owed you a it bad.
625
00:23:49.425 --> 00:23:51.965
No, no. There was a couple that like, it would've,
626
00:23:51.965 --> 00:23:53.805
like the coke can would've hit the ceiling again.
627
00:23:53.805 --> 00:23:55.125
Oh, I thought you were saying that the
628
00:23:55.125 --> 00:23:56.365
carbonation would've exploded.
629
00:23:56.865 --> 00:23:58.485
No, no, no. If if it was an open can,
630
00:23:58.665 --> 00:23:59.925
it would've been everywhere for sure.
631
00:24:00.065 --> 00:24:01.325
But I want to clarify. You're saying
632
00:24:01.325 --> 00:24:03.805
that if you had spilled the diet Coke on his plane,
633
00:24:03.905 --> 00:24:06.405
you would've owed him for spilling rather than he would've
634
00:24:06.405 --> 00:24:07.845
owed you for the diet Coke?
635
00:24:08.265 --> 00:24:10.685
Yes, I would've because I, it's because it's his flying.
636
00:24:11.105 --> 00:24:12.765
But I, no, no, it wasn't.
637
00:24:13.015 --> 00:24:15.965
First of all, ed was actually piloting, um, okay, okay.
638
00:24:16.145 --> 00:24:17.365
And I was observing.
639
00:24:17.745 --> 00:24:20.045
You were, well, no, no, this leads to the next part
640
00:24:20.045 --> 00:24:22.445
of the story where you had a very active role in
641
00:24:23.755 --> 00:24:28.205
descent Jx.
642
00:24:28.285 --> 00:24:29.845
I would like you to explain to everybody
643
00:24:30.415 --> 00:24:34.085
after this for me, a fairly choppy, bumpy ride home,
644
00:24:34.545 --> 00:24:38.285
you know, and then there's like some what, see this is okay,
645
00:24:38.625 --> 00:24:40.885
the previous, the previous like,
646
00:24:41.325 --> 00:24:42.605
I don't wanna say sketchiest,
647
00:24:42.605 --> 00:24:44.365
but like, one of the,
648
00:24:44.395 --> 00:24:47.045
like things I've been on my toes about in a smaller craft
649
00:24:47.145 --> 00:24:48.485
was with these two flying back,
650
00:24:48.645 --> 00:24:51.725
I think from Barbara a couple years ago, , it was when Alex,
651
00:24:51.915 --> 00:24:55.205
when Alex pulled off like a cross wind landing
652
00:24:55.555 --> 00:24:56.765
that was so impressive.
653
00:24:56.825 --> 00:24:59.365
We came in at a 45 degree angle and he,
654
00:24:59.465 --> 00:25:02.525
and I'm like, okay, this is, hmm.
655
00:25:03.105 --> 00:25:05.365
And the two of them are just like back and forth.
656
00:25:05.365 --> 00:25:06.965
They sound like they're so calm.
657
00:25:07.125 --> 00:25:10.325
I was so impressed at the communication reading off this,
658
00:25:10.325 --> 00:25:11.325
that, and the other, whatever.
659
00:25:11.325 --> 00:25:13.125
Alex is just like raw dogging this thing
660
00:25:13.125 --> 00:25:14.645
down sideways into the air in the airport.
661
00:25:14.695 --> 00:25:16.965
Crazy dude. So, and that was fine.
662
00:25:17.025 --> 00:25:19.045
So my, that was my previous benchmark.
663
00:25:19.345 --> 00:25:21.685
So now we've had some like turbulence, which
664
00:25:21.685 --> 00:25:22.805
for me was kind of turbulent.
665
00:25:23.425 --> 00:25:24.885
And, uh, and then we're coming in
666
00:25:24.885 --> 00:25:26.725
and we're like, now we're landing in pure clouds.
667
00:25:26.945 --> 00:25:28.845
Let me also just preface this by saying
668
00:25:29.505 --> 00:25:30.685
an hour left in the flight.
669
00:25:31.145 --> 00:25:32.685
I'm listening to all this banter back
670
00:25:32.685 --> 00:25:33.765
and forth about the weather.
671
00:25:34.105 --> 00:25:35.485
And it's like, mm, I don't think
672
00:25:35.485 --> 00:25:36.805
that the airport we're supposed
673
00:25:36.805 --> 00:25:38.125
to be landing at, it's gonna be good enough.
674
00:25:38.145 --> 00:25:40.805
We should divert to the, to the international airport.
675
00:25:41.025 --> 00:25:42.165
And there was this back and forth,
676
00:25:42.185 --> 00:25:43.205
and then the decision was made,
677
00:25:43.205 --> 00:25:44.365
okay, we're gonna go to international.
678
00:25:44.395 --> 00:25:45.805
Like, okay, we're taking the safe route.
679
00:25:45.985 --> 00:25:47.565
I'm just sitting in the back silent, I'm not asking
680
00:25:47.805 --> 00:25:49.565
questions, I'm just kinda listening and observing.
681
00:25:50.025 --> 00:25:52.605
And then, and then we get 20 minutes down
682
00:25:52.705 --> 00:25:54.285
and there's some chatter back and forth.
683
00:25:54.745 --> 00:25:57.645
And apparently things have have improved slightly at,
684
00:25:57.785 --> 00:25:59.605
at the other airports we're like, well, you know what,
685
00:25:59.605 --> 00:26:01.845
It's, it's not so, it's not so much they improved, it's
686
00:26:01.845 --> 00:26:05.245
that, so the weather reporting is, while it's,
687
00:26:05.305 --> 00:26:08.405
it is accurate, it is still a automated device
688
00:26:08.405 --> 00:26:11.365
that is reporting passing clouds, right?
689
00:26:11.425 --> 00:26:15.605
So it's not, it's, it's, it's, it's real.
690
00:26:15.745 --> 00:26:18.805
But it's also the reason why we decided to go back
691
00:26:18.805 --> 00:26:20.085
to the original airport was
692
00:26:20.245 --> 00:26:23.365
'cause two planes, five minutes in front of us touched down
693
00:26:23.425 --> 00:26:26.885
and were actually able to cancel kind of their IFR clearance
694
00:26:27.025 --> 00:26:28.285
before they even got on the ground.
695
00:26:28.285 --> 00:26:32.005
Which means they busted out of the kind of cloud layer
696
00:26:32.705 --> 00:26:34.445
before like the minimums,
697
00:26:34.445 --> 00:26:36.645
which meant it was more than good enough to get in.
698
00:26:36.705 --> 00:26:37.765
So it wasn't right.
699
00:26:37.945 --> 00:26:40.765
It was more that we, we would've, we would've still gone
700
00:26:40.765 --> 00:26:44.765
to the international airport had, um, two other planes,
701
00:26:44.895 --> 00:26:46.125
Those two planes not just in front of us.
702
00:26:46.435 --> 00:26:48.645
Yeah. So you had like, like immediate real time
703
00:26:49.325 --> 00:26:50.325
Feedback.
704
00:26:50.325 --> 00:26:51.845
Pilot reports from someone that, it's like when you go
705
00:26:51.845 --> 00:26:54.685
to indie and your teammate goes out first at minus two
706
00:26:54.825 --> 00:26:56.045
and is like, it's fine.
707
00:26:56.185 --> 00:26:57.685
You can come in at minus three if you want,
708
00:26:57.865 --> 00:26:59.405
and then you go to minus three and go out.
709
00:26:59.465 --> 00:27:01.845
That's the racing equivalent of this now.
710
00:27:01.845 --> 00:27:03.325
But, so in my head, I didn't know the
711
00:27:03.325 --> 00:27:04.365
details of that until after.
712
00:27:04.505 --> 00:27:06.165
So in my head it's like, oh,
713
00:27:06.165 --> 00:27:07.805
the weather's not good at this one.
714
00:27:07.815 --> 00:27:09.925
We're gonna go to, now the weather's good enough,
715
00:27:09.925 --> 00:27:11.085
now we're gonna give it a whirl.
716
00:27:11.265 --> 00:27:13.605
So we now we head to the original one. I'm like, okay.
717
00:27:13.785 --> 00:27:15.485
And we're flying through clouds and now we're coming down
718
00:27:15.485 --> 00:27:16.685
and we're just like, I'm looking out the window
719
00:27:16.705 --> 00:27:19.805
and I can see the wing almost, right?
720
00:27:19.805 --> 00:27:21.605
Like I can almost see all over the way .
721
00:27:22.385 --> 00:27:25.245
And so they're coming out and then something is going on.
722
00:27:25.325 --> 00:27:27.565
I can tell something's not entirely right
723
00:27:27.595 --> 00:27:29.685
because Alex is like, I got it, I'm on it.
724
00:27:29.825 --> 00:27:31.045
And then like, they're just back and forth
725
00:27:31.065 --> 00:27:35.245
and it's like, I'm like, nah.
726
00:27:35.545 --> 00:27:37.925
And then Ed says something and Alex is like, I got it.
727
00:27:37.925 --> 00:27:40.365
Just do that. And Alex was like, I got it. Fly the plane.
728
00:27:40.365 --> 00:27:41.445
This is on me. And they're like,
729
00:27:41.445 --> 00:27:43.445
and he's like pretty active and moving around.
730
00:27:43.625 --> 00:27:45.085
I'm like, okay, okay.
731
00:27:45.355 --> 00:27:47.325
Then we broke through the clouds and the landing was fine,
732
00:27:47.465 --> 00:27:48.725
but there was a moment there where I'm
733
00:27:48.725 --> 00:27:49.805
like, I don't know what's happening.
734
00:27:49.805 --> 00:27:52.165
And I'm just looking down out of the window, like waiting
735
00:27:52.165 --> 00:27:53.325
for the ground to be right there.
736
00:27:53.825 --> 00:27:55.525
Anyway, got down. Totally fine.
737
00:27:55.595 --> 00:27:59.405
Alex, do you wanna explain what happened that required you
738
00:27:59.465 --> 00:28:01.205
to get so involved in the landing?
739
00:28:02.225 --> 00:28:04.605
Uh, so on an instrument approach,
740
00:28:04.625 --> 00:28:07.085
you've got lateral and vertical guidance.
741
00:28:07.865 --> 00:28:11.365
Um, and there was,
742
00:28:12.975 --> 00:28:14.965
there, there has been an off
743
00:28:15.245 --> 00:28:19.405
and on issue with the autopilot, um,
744
00:28:19.745 --> 00:28:22.485
and capturing basically the vertical glide slope.
745
00:28:22.585 --> 00:28:26.685
So it's, it's using GPS to vertically descend you
746
00:28:26.685 --> 00:28:28.565
and keep you at the correct descent rate
747
00:28:28.565 --> 00:28:31.165
and to keep you at the correct altitude above any towers
748
00:28:31.165 --> 00:28:32.445
or terrain or, or that sort of thing.
749
00:28:34.025 --> 00:28:38.965
The, that all was working in terms of the GPS
750
00:28:38.965 --> 00:28:40.965
and, and the plane was receiving the information
751
00:28:41.105 --> 00:28:42.885
for the lateral and vertical guidance.
752
00:28:43.585 --> 00:28:44.605
For some reason,
753
00:28:44.665 --> 00:28:47.565
the autopilot itself was not flying the vertical guidance.
754
00:28:47.865 --> 00:28:50.285
So the autopilot was tracking the center line of the runway
755
00:28:50.305 --> 00:28:53.125
and it was just fine, but it wasn't descending.
756
00:28:53.705 --> 00:28:55.485
Um, it wasn't descending,
757
00:28:55.485 --> 00:28:57.245
so it just basically leveled out at an
758
00:28:57.365 --> 00:28:58.525
altitude and it wasn't coming down.
759
00:28:58.985 --> 00:29:02.165
So the only thing that I was doing was I was just manually
760
00:29:02.495 --> 00:29:06.405
descending the plane myself following the glide slope with
761
00:29:07.025 --> 00:29:08.645
my hands and eyes.
762
00:29:08.865 --> 00:29:11.645
So just adjusting the altitude to track the glide slope.
763
00:29:11.745 --> 00:29:13.805
So it was, it was not a big deal.
764
00:29:15.005 --> 00:29:17.205
Ed could have also just disconnected the autopilot
765
00:29:17.225 --> 00:29:19.485
and hand flown the plane to the needles,
766
00:29:19.485 --> 00:29:21.445
which is the lateral and vertical guidance.
767
00:29:21.545 --> 00:29:25.325
So it wasn't, it wasn't as bad as it may have seemed, um,
768
00:29:25.325 --> 00:29:27.245
because where it would've been bad
769
00:29:27.265 --> 00:29:29.845
as if we weren't getting any glide slope indication in the
770
00:29:29.965 --> 00:29:31.205
first place, but we weren't getting
771
00:29:31.205 --> 00:29:32.525
exactly where we needed to be.
772
00:29:32.705 --> 00:29:34.965
It just wasn't doing it automatically. Right.
773
00:29:35.065 --> 00:29:36.605
So it was fine. Yeah. So
774
00:29:37.105 --> 00:29:40.285
In retrospect, James, do you, are you glad
775
00:29:40.285 --> 00:29:42.365
that you were listening in to hear all this?
776
00:29:42.505 --> 00:29:45.045
Or would you have preferred to have just landed in ignorance
777
00:29:45.105 --> 00:29:47.165
and not known that Alex was like,
778
00:29:47.165 --> 00:29:48.925
or would you have seen him doing something?
779
00:29:49.225 --> 00:29:50.605
I'm still very conservative, so
780
00:29:50.605 --> 00:29:51.645
what we were doing was fine.
781
00:29:51.715 --> 00:29:54.205
Ignorance is bliss. Ignorance is always bliss.
782
00:29:54.705 --> 00:29:56.165
You, I, I like being blissful,
783
00:29:56.505 --> 00:30:01.405
but I, I'm also, I'm also, you know, weirdly fascinated
784
00:30:01.405 --> 00:30:02.725
with the flying thing.
785
00:30:02.825 --> 00:30:05.085
And so I was happy to listen and uh,
786
00:30:05.085 --> 00:30:07.525
but yes, no, like I would've felt better if
787
00:30:07.565 --> 00:30:08.685
I didn't know what was happening.
788
00:30:09.265 --> 00:30:11.005
But I was fine. I was fine.
789
00:30:11.105 --> 00:30:12.845
I'm a good passenger. You were great in
790
00:30:12.845 --> 00:30:14.405
Those situations anyways. Race cars.
791
00:30:14.905 --> 00:30:17.285
So back to, yeah, now that you've listened to 30 minutes
792
00:30:17.345 --> 00:30:19.285
of a travel podcast, let's talk racing.
793
00:30:19.515 --> 00:30:24.155
Barbara. Uh, Alex, good job. That was
794
00:30:24.155 --> 00:30:25.355
A good day. Thanks James. That was
795
00:30:25.355 --> 00:30:26.355
A good day.
796
00:30:26.355 --> 00:30:27.515
I know that's your, yeah, that's kind
797
00:30:27.515 --> 00:30:29.115
of your tone about the whole thing, but
798
00:30:30.855 --> 00:30:35.025
Uh,
Listen, I,
799
00:30:35.145 --> 00:30:36.345
I don't really want
800
00:30:36.345 --> 00:30:39.545
to talk too much about my weekend itself.
801
00:30:39.685 --> 00:30:41.425
Um, 'cause there's a lot of underlying things.
802
00:30:41.805 --> 00:30:45.905
Uh, the, the Cliff notes are, we, we had a test, um,
803
00:30:46.925 --> 00:30:49.585
and like most of my IndyCar career, uh,
804
00:30:50.535 --> 00:30:51.705
anytime you have a good test,
805
00:30:51.765 --> 00:30:53.545
it usually means the race weekend's gonna be.
806
00:30:54.215 --> 00:30:55.305
Yeah. Um,
807
00:30:55.845 --> 00:30:58.695
and so we, we had some, we,
808
00:30:58.715 --> 00:31:01.295
we just were really chasing our tails all weekend.
809
00:31:01.555 --> 00:31:02.775
Um, I think we,
810
00:31:02.795 --> 00:31:04.815
we easily should have been in the top 10 qualifying.
811
00:31:04.895 --> 00:31:07.775
I didn't, I I locked the front tire and turned nine and,
812
00:31:07.955 --> 00:31:09.775
and missed the transfer by six hundreds.
813
00:31:09.775 --> 00:31:11.415
And that's just the way it is in the series.
814
00:31:11.435 --> 00:31:13.575
And, and it was my mistake and that's fine.
815
00:31:14.315 --> 00:31:17.655
So I was upset that, that I underperformed in qualifying.
816
00:31:17.795 --> 00:31:19.735
Um, so that was motivation for me.
817
00:31:19.955 --> 00:31:21.975
Uh, especially in the first stint when I,
818
00:31:21.975 --> 00:31:23.175
there was a tire offset.
819
00:31:23.715 --> 00:31:27.295
So the team did a good job, uh, on pit lane especially.
820
00:31:27.295 --> 00:31:28.375
We were fifth in the pits.
821
00:31:28.435 --> 00:31:29.815
The strategy was called perfectly.
822
00:31:29.835 --> 00:31:32.135
So we finished eighth, um, which I think was kind
823
00:31:32.335 --> 00:31:33.335
of our pace all weekend.
824
00:31:33.455 --> 00:31:34.495
I don't think we were better than that.
825
00:31:35.235 --> 00:31:38.495
Um, but so going into the weekend, there was a lot
826
00:31:38.495 --> 00:31:40.695
of conversation that we've had on this podcast.
827
00:31:41.235 --> 00:31:44.935
Um, Nathan Brown put out an article that uh,
828
00:31:45.615 --> 00:31:47.255
referenced this podcast, which is totally fine.
829
00:31:47.255 --> 00:31:48.455
And, and I stand by everything that,
830
00:31:48.455 --> 00:31:49.495
that we said, and I love Nathan.
831
00:31:49.495 --> 00:31:52.575
And, and that's fine. Uh, there was a lot of comments that,
832
00:31:53.045 --> 00:31:55.175
that I saw kind of come out of that.
833
00:31:55.435 --> 00:31:58.015
And, and it was referencing kind of my,
834
00:31:58.475 --> 00:32:00.335
my quote post long beach of how like,
835
00:32:00.375 --> 00:32:02.055
I don't like this style of IndyCar racing.
836
00:32:02.275 --> 00:32:06.175
And you know, my take on why there hasn't been any yellows
837
00:32:06.195 --> 00:32:07.855
is because, um, you know,
838
00:32:07.855 --> 00:32:10.455
the street course tire in particular, you can't,
839
00:32:10.755 --> 00:32:12.935
you can't push on the red can't hustle it.
840
00:32:12.935 --> 00:32:14.015
Yeah. You can't hustle it.
841
00:32:14.015 --> 00:32:15.535
So everyone's kind of driving to a,
842
00:32:15.555 --> 00:32:18.295
to a tire target, lap time target.
843
00:32:18.435 --> 00:32:21.495
And so you're kind of at 85% of the capacity of the car.
844
00:32:21.555 --> 00:32:23.935
And when you're that far under the limit,
845
00:32:23.935 --> 00:32:26.775
like you're not taking risks and it's easy to not crash.
846
00:32:26.775 --> 00:32:31.335
Right. Going into barber, I was really expecting, uh,
847
00:32:31.335 --> 00:32:33.255
because ultimately the tires remained
848
00:32:33.565 --> 00:32:35.175
unchanged from the alternate standpoint.
849
00:32:35.175 --> 00:32:38.575
The primary was actually more robust, um,
850
00:32:38.765 --> 00:32:40.165
than it had been in years past.
851
00:32:40.425 --> 00:32:42.565
And this has always been an alternate race.
852
00:32:43.185 --> 00:32:46.565
Um, for the most part there's negative DG on the red now
853
00:32:46.565 --> 00:32:48.965
with the hybrid there, there was some dig,
854
00:32:48.965 --> 00:32:51.205
but it was still without a doubt the preferred tire.
855
00:32:52.105 --> 00:32:54.925
But the point is, um, everyone was gonna go into this race
856
00:32:55.425 --> 00:32:57.965
as a three stop, no fuel save.
857
00:32:58.305 --> 00:33:01.605
And because the, the red tire was as strong as it is and
858
00:33:01.605 --> 00:33:03.845
because the primary was actually even stronger,
859
00:33:04.145 --> 00:33:05.565
not from a performance standpoint, but
860
00:33:05.565 --> 00:33:06.925
but from a durability standpoint,
861
00:33:07.265 --> 00:33:08.405
it was gonna be a flat out race.
862
00:33:08.725 --> 00:33:11.045
Everyone was gonna be a hundred percent the entire day.
863
00:33:11.625 --> 00:33:14.405
And I was like, they're for sure gonna be yellows
864
00:33:14.405 --> 00:33:15.445
because it's a flat out,
865
00:33:15.445 --> 00:33:17.765
it's a flat out three stopper and people were just gonna hammer.
866
00:33:18.785 --> 00:33:20.685
And there was no yellows. So no yellows.
867
00:33:21.065 --> 00:33:22.965
My whole point and my assumption
868
00:33:23.025 --> 00:33:24.285
of why there was no yellows,
869
00:33:24.655 --> 00:33:26.885
which I thought was based on pretty good logic
870
00:33:27.105 --> 00:33:29.485
and facts was turned out to be completely wrong.
871
00:33:29.765 --> 00:33:31.845
I am, I am, I don't know what it is, James.
872
00:33:31.925 --> 00:33:35.645
I don't know why we didn't have a yellow and barber.
873
00:33:36.045 --> 00:33:39.565
I don't know why there is,
874
00:33:40.955 --> 00:33:43.775
uh, the, the, the field, the,
875
00:33:43.795 --> 00:33:45.135
the field's always been talented.
876
00:33:45.745 --> 00:33:48.015
There are still some guys in the field I think
877
00:33:48.015 --> 00:33:50.425
that are like, I don't know,
878
00:33:50.545 --> 00:33:51.905
I don't know why it's different.
879
00:33:52.185 --> 00:33:55.025
A wood is your opinion. Like, I'm, I'm perplexed by it.
880
00:33:55.215 --> 00:33:56.345
Dude, we sat in the car
881
00:33:56.345 --> 00:33:57.385
for an hour and talked about this. No,
882
00:33:57.385 --> 00:33:59.105
I know, but you have to have our listeners. Like I
883
00:33:59.135 --> 00:34:02.105
Know we're, we are both, we were just,
884
00:34:02.125 --> 00:34:03.745
we got into the car and just kinda looked at each other.
885
00:34:03.745 --> 00:34:06.225
We're like, man, like what is happening right now?
886
00:34:06.855 --> 00:34:09.585
It's, you know, the one person I heard say, oh,
887
00:34:09.585 --> 00:34:12.145
well the cars are too hard to follow now,
888
00:34:12.245 --> 00:34:13.705
so you're not as close to passing.
889
00:34:13.885 --> 00:34:15.465
And they're always hard to follow.
890
00:34:15.925 --> 00:34:17.225
Uh, I I don't think it's any different.
891
00:34:17.305 --> 00:34:18.745
I don't think it's any different. And
892
00:34:18.745 --> 00:34:20.545
There was still a race and lunges, like
893
00:34:21.015 --> 00:34:22.825
Dude at a race like barber where,
894
00:34:23.285 --> 00:34:24.305
and we'll kind of, we'll kind
895
00:34:24.305 --> 00:34:25.705
of get into like the race itself,
896
00:34:25.805 --> 00:34:29.145
but there was, there was a lot of ebbing and flowing
897
00:34:29.305 --> 00:34:31.385
'cause the, the blacks were not as good as the reds.
898
00:34:31.385 --> 00:34:33.225
And so at some point you came out on blacks
899
00:34:33.225 --> 00:34:34.505
and people were getting passed and people
900
00:34:34.505 --> 00:34:35.665
were passing people, like there was
901
00:34:36.085 --> 00:34:37.085
On track action.
902
00:34:37.085 --> 00:34:38.065
Not everyone was on the same strategy. Right.
903
00:34:38.085 --> 00:34:39.865
So there was exchanges and like Yeah.
904
00:34:40.565 --> 00:34:42.265
And, and the pit windows were nice and big.
905
00:34:42.325 --> 00:34:44.305
So it was always happening throughout a, like it was,
906
00:34:45.325 --> 00:34:47.205
and we had incidents in practice.
907
00:34:47.205 --> 00:34:49.645
We had guys going off, look, we had two, we had,
908
00:34:49.645 --> 00:34:51.845
we had Ucci have a massive save outta three
909
00:34:51.845 --> 00:34:53.485
that could have very easily been a yellow.
910
00:34:53.625 --> 00:34:57.525
We had foster go off in 17. That was so nearly a yellow.
911
00:34:58.345 --> 00:35:03.045
But yeah man, I you, you guys are just driving good.
912
00:35:03.505 --> 00:35:06.805
Can you stop it? I don't, I don't think it's that either.
913
00:35:07.085 --> 00:35:11.965
I mean I, I'm very, I'm very, I'm perplexed. I don't know.
914
00:35:12.265 --> 00:35:14.645
We have not, so it was the last time we had three
915
00:35:14.795 --> 00:35:17.805
consecutive green races was 1986.
916
00:35:18.705 --> 00:35:20.685
And, and if we wanna be like weird about it,
917
00:35:20.685 --> 00:35:23.605
we've had 3.95 consecutive races.
918
00:35:23.805 --> 00:35:25.645
'cause it was the first five laps of St. Pete.
919
00:35:25.895 --> 00:35:28.845
First six laps of St. Pete. Were, were yellow.
920
00:35:28.905 --> 00:35:32.605
And we've been green since it's been, it's been 300
921
00:35:32.905 --> 00:35:36.245
and like 39 consecutive green flag laps.
922
00:35:37.245 --> 00:35:41.965
I don't know. Look, we're going to any GP next turn one
923
00:35:42.475 --> 00:35:45.365
turn seven something's happening.
924
00:35:45.365 --> 00:35:48.165
Something has to happen. It's just like a long of average.
925
00:35:48.325 --> 00:35:49.285
I mean something definitely ha something
926
00:35:49.285 --> 00:35:50.445
will definitely happen in the 500.
927
00:35:50.625 --> 00:35:52.805
The five hundreds. Dude, you say that, do you imagine,
928
00:35:52.825 --> 00:35:55.005
do you remember like 2018 or something?
929
00:35:55.065 --> 00:35:58.285
We went like 152 laps before the first caution. You
930
00:35:58.365 --> 00:36:00.965
Remember that until fricking bordea boned my chances
931
00:36:00.965 --> 00:36:02.245
of winning it was 2019.
932
00:36:03.365 --> 00:36:05.725
19.
Yeah, because he's over Simon. He's over it.
933
00:36:05.935 --> 00:36:07.845
Simon kept, Simon kept leading
934
00:36:08.145 --> 00:36:09.565
and like he wasn't having any fuel.
935
00:36:09.635 --> 00:36:11.485
Fuel and it was just like, oh, you're so hosed.
936
00:36:11.485 --> 00:36:13.325
And then he got that yellow. Anyways, so it's,
937
00:36:13.885 --> 00:36:17.045
IIII stand by what I said.
938
00:36:17.345 --> 00:36:19.765
Um, I just was wrong.
939
00:36:19.915 --> 00:36:22.965
Like I, I don't know why this is happening.
940
00:36:23.325 --> 00:36:27.365
I don't think that Barbara was a bad race.
941
00:36:27.595 --> 00:36:30.685
Like I think that no, it was actually a, a good race.
942
00:36:30.725 --> 00:36:32.485
I don't think it needed yellows to be a good race.
943
00:36:33.045 --> 00:36:34.965
I think you take polo out of the conversation
944
00:36:34.985 --> 00:36:36.605
and it was a great race, right?
945
00:36:36.705 --> 00:36:38.765
Um, you know, what he's doing right now is crazy.
946
00:36:38.905 --> 00:36:41.085
But I think throughout, I think the racing was good.
947
00:36:41.115 --> 00:36:44.845
Like you can, it's a high speed road course with a hybrid
948
00:36:44.845 --> 00:36:46.485
that's heavy and <inaudible>, we all know that.
949
00:36:46.485 --> 00:36:48.445
But you could still follow and you could still pass people
950
00:36:48.445 --> 00:36:49.525
and pretty much every corner.
951
00:36:49.625 --> 00:36:52.125
So like, I thought it was very reasonable
952
00:36:52.145 --> 00:36:53.245
and for me that came
953
00:36:53.245 --> 00:36:55.645
because you're, you're, you're kind of like,
954
00:36:55.745 --> 00:36:57.205
you have tires that you can actually drive.
955
00:36:57.425 --> 00:36:58.485
So I don't know. That's my,
956
00:36:58.485 --> 00:36:59.485
That's my, yeah.
957
00:36:59.485 --> 00:37:01.285
I look, I I don't think that your opinion on street courses
958
00:37:01.545 --> 00:37:03.445
is inaccurate because there were enough guys
959
00:37:03.445 --> 00:37:05.485
that dropped a wheel that had that been in a street course
960
00:37:06.015 --> 00:37:07.805
you'd be in the wall and that'd be a yellow, right?
961
00:37:08.065 --> 00:37:10.165
So when you can push that hard,
962
00:37:10.695 --> 00:37:11.845
those things are gonna happen.
963
00:37:12.225 --> 00:37:14.525
We just happen to have a green race. It happens here.
964
00:37:14.615 --> 00:37:15.725
We've had it at mid Ohio.
965
00:37:15.935 --> 00:37:17.165
We've had it at other road courses.
966
00:37:17.395 --> 00:37:19.605
It's, it's not a thing that's completely unheard of.
967
00:37:20.065 --> 00:37:21.805
Um, the race itself. Yes.
968
00:37:21.865 --> 00:37:23.325
Here's what I loved about this race.
969
00:37:23.545 --> 00:37:26.045
It was, it was a, it was imp if there wasn't a yellow off
970
00:37:26.045 --> 00:37:28.125
the start, no one was even contemplating a
971
00:37:28.125 --> 00:37:29.165
two stopper, right?
972
00:37:29.545 --> 00:37:31.885
So everyone was gonna be pushing the whole day,
973
00:37:31.935 --> 00:37:33.325
which is the best.
974
00:37:33.475 --> 00:37:35.525
It's what drivers love. It's what fans love.
975
00:37:35.625 --> 00:37:39.325
It makes good racing and it's fun. The, sorry, three things.
976
00:37:39.505 --> 00:37:42.205
The second thing was that the difference between the hard
977
00:37:42.205 --> 00:37:43.565
and the soft was pretty big.
978
00:37:43.955 --> 00:37:46.125
Massive. And at some point you had to, you had
979
00:37:46.125 --> 00:37:48.205
to swallow the pill that was the hard tire
980
00:37:48.345 --> 00:37:49.845
and figure out when you were doing that.
981
00:37:50.105 --> 00:37:52.925
And it wasn't like super obvious what the answer was.
982
00:37:53.025 --> 00:37:56.965
So bunch of different stints where people use the hard,
983
00:37:57.105 --> 00:37:58.125
so that mixes it up.
984
00:37:58.125 --> 00:38:00.685
Love that. And the pit windows were big.
985
00:38:00.905 --> 00:38:03.205
It wasn't like it was a three stopper with two lap windows.
986
00:38:03.345 --> 00:38:05.925
So everything, all the action happened.
987
00:38:06.345 --> 00:38:09.475
If you have an all green race, the only thing
988
00:38:09.475 --> 00:38:10.715
that saves it is big pit windows.
989
00:38:12.135 --> 00:38:13.855
'cause if everyone's pinned within the same two laps,
990
00:38:13.875 --> 00:38:17.055
you have follow down four laps of crazy train action
991
00:38:17.395 --> 00:38:19.575
and then 25 laps of follow the leader.
992
00:38:19.575 --> 00:38:22.695
Right? We did not have that. We had 13 lap windows.
993
00:38:23.155 --> 00:38:24.495
And so guys were pitting early.
994
00:38:24.595 --> 00:38:27.895
And how did the overcut versus the undercut and the blends
995
00:38:27.895 --> 00:38:29.975
and the out laps, like we had some really good
996
00:38:29.975 --> 00:38:31.735
racing not for the lead.
997
00:38:31.735 --> 00:38:33.735
Granted fine. But
998
00:38:33.735 --> 00:38:35.095
That's not IndyCar's fault. That's
999
00:38:35.330 --> 00:38:36.330
Alex's fault.
1000
00:38:36.330 --> 00:38:37.430
That's nobody's fault. That's Alex's fault. Yeah. Yeah.
1001
00:38:37.430 --> 00:38:39.725
That's
Or is it the rest of your guys' fault
1002
00:38:39.785 --> 00:38:41.245
for not stepping the up?
1003
00:38:41.245 --> 00:38:44.005
Dude, dude, I came, I came into, I came into the trailer
1004
00:38:44.425 --> 00:38:46.365
and you know, I was talking to Ed and,
1005
00:38:46.385 --> 00:38:47.605
and Matt and Christian.
1006
00:38:47.725 --> 00:38:49.365
I was like, man, we all
1007
00:38:49.435 --> 00:38:50.435
suck
.
.
1008
00:38:51.395 --> 00:38:52.845
Like this is getting embarrassing.
1009
00:38:52.955 --> 00:38:54.845
Like we are all not talented.
1010
00:38:55.365 --> 00:38:57.925
'cause this is absurd what he's doing to all of us.
1011
00:38:58.225 --> 00:39:00.285
It makes us look like fricking clowns.
1012
00:39:00.285 --> 00:39:04.725
He, he's the max for Stepin a IndyCar. He's just also in
1013
00:39:04.725 --> 00:39:05.725
A good car.
1014
00:39:05.725 --> 00:39:06.485
I, I really ho. No, I really hope so
1015
00:39:06.515 --> 00:39:08.685
because like I hope he's not like the fricking
1016
00:39:09.645 --> 00:39:13.165
I don't Alex Alban of IndyCar . 'cause that would suck.
1017
00:39:14.145 --> 00:39:16.525
Uh, I have two, two follow ups. Just one.
1018
00:39:16.685 --> 00:39:17.845
'cause I know Alex, you wouldn't
1019
00:39:17.845 --> 00:39:19.005
be able to contribute on this.
1020
00:39:19.245 --> 00:39:21.525
I thought Fox did a great job on the broadcast
1021
00:39:21.665 --> 00:39:23.965
of focusing on the mid-pack battles and
1022
00:39:23.965 --> 00:39:25.805
because if, if you were just watching the front.
1023
00:39:25.875 --> 00:39:27.325
Yeah, but I'm saying if you were just watching the front
1024
00:39:27.325 --> 00:39:28.765
there, there could have been an argument that
1025
00:39:28.765 --> 00:39:29.805
that was a pretty boring race.
1026
00:39:30.345 --> 00:39:33.045
You guys kept it entertaining by show, uh, showing
1027
00:39:33.105 --> 00:39:34.245
and highlighting a lot of that.
1028
00:39:34.545 --> 00:39:36.285
So I thought, you know, kudos to you guys.
1029
00:39:36.505 --> 00:39:39.165
You made it entertaining to watch. Thank you.
1030
00:39:39.185 --> 00:39:41.565
Um, the other point I'll bring up is there's a lot
1031
00:39:41.565 --> 00:39:45.135
of chatter online about like, would it be good
1032
00:39:45.235 --> 00:39:47.535
for the series if below were to hypothetically go
1033
00:39:47.535 --> 00:39:49.255
to F1 and, and, and go.
1034
00:39:49.255 --> 00:39:50.695
And I just wanted to hear your guys'
1035
00:39:50.695 --> 00:39:51.815
opinion on that. 'cause it's like,
1036
00:39:52.515 --> 00:39:54.535
No,
Would it be good to get rid of the best guy?
1037
00:39:54.605 --> 00:39:56.255
Like would it make it more entertaining?
1038
00:39:56.275 --> 00:39:57.935
But then what does that say? That's okay. Absolutely.
1039
00:39:57.935 --> 00:39:59.495
That was my opinion, but I just wanna hear. No, yeah,
1040
00:39:59.525 --> 00:40:01.775
Look, anytime, anytime someone dominates an F1,
1041
00:40:01.775 --> 00:40:03.895
they all get, you know, bitchy about it and whatever.
1042
00:40:03.895 --> 00:40:05.415
But it's, it's just part of the sport man.
1043
00:40:05.415 --> 00:40:07.415
Like Jimmy Johnson dominated an NASCAR
1044
00:40:07.415 --> 00:40:08.575
for like five straight years
1045
00:40:08.835 --> 00:40:11.735
and you know, NASCAR wasn't gonna benefit from losing him.
1046
00:40:12.475 --> 00:40:15.495
Um, so no, I don't, I don't think I, I, yes, I see the,
1047
00:40:15.575 --> 00:40:16.575
I see the theory in that,
1048
00:40:16.575 --> 00:40:17.575
but I don't think in practice
1049
00:40:17.575 --> 00:40:18.935
that actually works or makes any sense.
1050
00:40:19.475 --> 00:40:22.295
Um, thank you for the kind words about the broadcast
1051
00:40:22.295 --> 00:40:24.215
because that one from our seat felt
1052
00:40:24.915 --> 00:40:28.055
to me the whole weekend was the best weekend by far.
1053
00:40:28.475 --> 00:40:30.455
And you know, I've been saying this to you guys since St.
1054
00:40:30.455 --> 00:40:32.375
Pete. We're just gonna keep getting better and better.
1055
00:40:32.485 --> 00:40:33.935
More and more stuff's gonna come in
1056
00:40:34.315 --> 00:40:36.055
and I thought everybody did a great job.
1057
00:40:36.625 --> 00:40:39.335
Definitely the focus on the battles on track was great.
1058
00:40:39.555 --> 00:40:40.855
You know, our director Mitch,
1059
00:40:41.035 --> 00:40:44.095
is he came in here knowing nothing about Motorsport,
1060
00:40:44.875 --> 00:40:47.215
did an incredible amount of research in the off season
1061
00:40:47.715 --> 00:40:49.735
and has really, really started to figure out
1062
00:40:49.755 --> 00:40:50.815
how to cut these races.
1063
00:40:51.155 --> 00:40:53.935
And uh, and it was awesome.
1064
00:40:54.235 --> 00:40:57.215
We had stuff that was working, um, for the first time.
1065
00:40:57.365 --> 00:40:59.815
Like we had our deltas in qualifying, which was great.
1066
00:40:59.815 --> 00:41:00.815
That's been something we've been
1067
00:41:00.815 --> 00:41:02.015
working very hard at getting.
1068
00:41:02.555 --> 00:41:05.495
Um, I know it seems like it's something we should have
1069
00:41:05.495 --> 00:41:06.615
been able to have from the beginning.
1070
00:41:07.055 --> 00:41:08.535
I don't wanna talk about it doesn't matter.
1071
00:41:08.535 --> 00:41:11.615
It's here now and and we've just got more stuff coming.
1072
00:41:11.675 --> 00:41:12.775
That's gonna be great.
1073
00:41:13.435 --> 00:41:17.455
Um, so yeah, that, that was a, that's a, that's a,
1074
00:41:17.525 --> 00:41:18.935
it's a, it's a fun weekend.
1075
00:41:18.935 --> 00:41:21.775
It's a fun race to call because we had some challenges
1076
00:41:21.775 --> 00:41:23.735
and not having yellows and able to set stuff up.
1077
00:41:23.995 --> 00:41:26.495
We still had to fit in all the things that you have
1078
00:41:26.495 --> 00:41:27.535
to fit in, in, in a,
1079
00:41:27.535 --> 00:41:30.455
in a broadcast from a sales standpoint without any yellows,
1080
00:41:30.455 --> 00:41:32.135
which is tough to do when you've got a race
1081
00:41:32.135 --> 00:41:33.605
that's actually pretty good happening.
1082
00:41:33.985 --> 00:41:36.165
So I, I, yeah, I thought everybody did a great job
1083
00:41:36.185 --> 00:41:38.525
and it's just kind of great to see the whole team, you know,
1084
00:41:38.525 --> 00:41:39.605
leveling up every weekend.
1085
00:41:39.605 --> 00:41:41.485
And it's just getting me even more excited for the 500.
1086
00:41:41.995 --> 00:41:43.445
I've also been, you know, part of some
1087
00:41:43.445 --> 00:41:44.405
of the meetings about some of the
1088
00:41:44.405 --> 00:41:45.485
stuff that's coming for the 500.
1089
00:41:45.485 --> 00:41:47.085
There's some fun <inaudible> coming I think.
1090
00:41:47.365 --> 00:41:49.565
I think it's gonna be cool. Any, anything you can preview
1091
00:41:49.665 --> 00:41:51.805
or just all surprises? I cannot, I'll
1092
00:41:52.005 --> 00:41:53.005
Surprise.
1093
00:41:53.005 --> 00:41:54.965
So before, before the 500 we've got, uh,
1094
00:41:56.065 --> 00:41:57.765
the indie g which, you know,
1095
00:41:57.765 --> 00:41:59.885
thank God we only do it once these days.
1096
00:42:01.385 --> 00:42:02.565
To do it four times a year.
1097
00:42:02.835 --> 00:42:06.045
Yeah. And, uh, there's, there's something new coming.
1098
00:42:06.185 --> 00:42:08.965
So in, in lieu of all of these conversations,
1099
00:42:08.965 --> 00:42:11.725
whether people are vocal about it like us
1100
00:42:11.865 --> 00:42:15.805
or not, uh, it's the been the common consensus that prior
1101
00:42:15.825 --> 00:42:18.805
to Barber, the first three races weren't exactly
1102
00:42:20.035 --> 00:42:22.405
stellar from a burners, from Right.
1103
00:42:22.405 --> 00:42:23.685
From an entertainment standpoint.
1104
00:42:23.865 --> 00:42:28.165
And so there's a new rule, uh, coming for the gp
1105
00:42:28.785 --> 00:42:31.045
and I would like your opinion on it, James,
1106
00:42:31.045 --> 00:42:34.205
because while I commend IndyCar
1107
00:42:35.225 --> 00:42:38.005
for trying something, I don't know that it's the solution.
1108
00:42:38.005 --> 00:42:40.885
But again, like they're being, they're being proactive
1109
00:42:40.885 --> 00:42:42.085
and they're not waiting till like
1110
00:42:42.085 --> 00:42:44.565
20 27, 20 26, sorry, to do something.
1111
00:42:44.565 --> 00:42:46.125
They're doing it in race five.
1112
00:42:46.305 --> 00:42:47.805
So what's happening is
1113
00:42:48.745 --> 00:42:51.645
the tire rules in IndyCar have forever been, you have to run
1114
00:42:52.385 --> 00:42:56.485
one set of a new version of each tire in the race.
1115
00:42:56.505 --> 00:42:59.285
And then whatever you do after that is kind of up to you.
1116
00:42:59.995 --> 00:43:01.005
Well now technically
1117
00:43:01.005 --> 00:43:02.845
The rule doesn't say that the hards have
1118
00:43:02.845 --> 00:43:04.045
to be new, but okay,
1119
00:43:04.545 --> 00:43:05.545
The
Reds have to be new,
1120
00:43:05.965 --> 00:43:06.965
Whatever.
1121
00:43:06.965 --> 00:43:08.045
So you have to run a set of new alternates
1122
00:43:08.105 --> 00:43:09.685
and then, sorry, obviously a set of my,
1123
00:43:09.685 --> 00:43:10.885
Someone was gonna call us out on it.
1124
00:43:10.925 --> 00:43:11.805
I had to say it. My back.
1125
00:43:11.845 --> 00:43:12.805
I actually, someone was gonna call us
1126
00:43:13.085 --> 00:43:14.085
Actually.
1127
00:43:14.085 --> 00:43:16.205
I actually didn't know that. So , uh,
1128
00:43:16.205 --> 00:43:17.365
you learn something new every day, guys.
1129
00:43:17.365 --> 00:43:19.285
Hey, every day, 10:00 AM on a Monday morning,
1130
00:43:19.285 --> 00:43:20.405
already got in for the week, 10
1131
00:43:20.405 --> 00:43:21.405
Years into your career.
1132
00:43:21.405 --> 00:43:22.125
Yeah.
1133
00:43:22.815 --> 00:43:25.205
Relax nine. Um, so
,
1134
00:43:27.185 --> 00:43:30.525
Uh, so for Indie G they're mandating
1135
00:43:30.925 --> 00:43:32.165
'cause it's a three stop race anyways.
1136
00:43:32.905 --> 00:43:36.205
Um, they're mandating that we need to run two sets
1137
00:43:36.205 --> 00:43:39.765
of alternates and two sets of primes, which means
1138
00:43:39.765 --> 00:43:42.005
that everyone's ultimately gonna be on the
1139
00:43:42.005 --> 00:43:43.125
same tire strategy.
1140
00:43:43.345 --> 00:43:45.805
It does not mean everyone's gonna be on the same tire at the
1141
00:43:45.805 --> 00:43:48.125
same time, but everyone's gonna be on the
1142
00:43:48.125 --> 00:43:49.245
same tire strategy.
1143
00:43:49.585 --> 00:43:51.885
So what are our thoughts on this?
1144
00:43:52.025 --> 00:43:55.005
Do we think this is gonna move the needle?
1145
00:43:55.325 --> 00:43:57.005
'cause like in some ways it's like, okay,
1146
00:43:57.005 --> 00:43:58.485
it's putting everyone on the same strategy,
1147
00:43:58.945 --> 00:44:01.365
but in other ways it's like, well
1148
00:44:01.865 --> 00:44:04.645
for sure no one's gonna like save anymore
1149
00:44:04.645 --> 00:44:07.805
because you have, everyone is gonna be on a three stop
1150
00:44:07.805 --> 00:44:08.845
and everyone has to do that and
1151
00:44:08.965 --> 00:44:10.005
everyone has to hammer to the end.
1152
00:44:10.145 --> 00:44:11.885
So, I don't know. I
1153
00:44:11.885 --> 00:44:13.365
Assume you're asking my opinion, right?
1154
00:44:13.945 --> 00:44:18.525
I'm sure not
. So few thoughts.
1155
00:44:22.525 --> 00:44:23.725
I don't dunno. Which, which are Okay,
1156
00:44:23.725 --> 00:44:25.005
I'll start, I'll start on the last one.
1157
00:44:25.065 --> 00:44:29.555
So, um, NGP is a great example
1158
00:44:29.555 --> 00:44:31.885
because that's one where
1159
00:44:33.085 --> 00:44:35.685
historically there's been a favored tire mm-hmm .
1160
00:44:35.825 --> 00:44:38.605
But the odd car has actually been an outlier.
1161
00:44:38.835 --> 00:44:40.205
Just one of them,
1162
00:44:41.445 --> 00:44:42.445
I guess.
1163
00:44:42.445 --> 00:44:43.445
Okay. All right, fine. I'll throw
1164
00:44:43.445 --> 00:44:44.445
Fine just one of
Them.
1165
00:44:44.475 --> 00:44:45.405
I'll throw that point out 'cause
1166
00:44:45.405 --> 00:44:46.285
we've already had this discussion.
1167
00:44:46.285 --> 00:44:48.285
We won't get into that. We won't waste the time. Okay.
1168
00:44:49.465 --> 00:44:54.295
Um, I, I guess what I, okay,
1169
00:44:54.395 --> 00:44:56.815
so Yeah, well there's, that's
1170
00:44:56.815 --> 00:44:57.815
Kind of how I feel about it.
1171
00:44:58.085 --> 00:44:59.935
Yeah, it's, it's, it's very nuanced, right?
1172
00:44:59.935 --> 00:45:03.615
Because with, uh, the way the tire rules are now in terms
1173
00:45:03.615 --> 00:45:05.495
of having five sets of alternates
1174
00:45:05.495 --> 00:45:06.615
and five sets of primaries,
1175
00:45:06.715 --> 00:45:09.375
it does make this a little bit more plausible.
1176
00:45:10.075 --> 00:45:14.055
But let's say there's a situation like have they announced
1177
00:45:14.055 --> 00:45:15.455
this is gonna be for the rest of the year?
1178
00:45:15.755 --> 00:45:17.575
Or is this They're trying it today? No,
1179
00:45:17.575 --> 00:45:19.255
This is, they're trying it this weekend. Yes.
1180
00:45:19.325 --> 00:45:21.135
Okay. So I, I do think it,
1181
00:45:21.275 --> 00:45:24.055
it works here better than maybe anywhere else.
1182
00:45:24.355 --> 00:45:25.815
So if you're gonna try something,
1183
00:45:25.815 --> 00:45:27.575
this is probably the place to do it.
1184
00:45:27.975 --> 00:45:28.975
'cause for example, if you tried
1185
00:45:28.975 --> 00:45:30.575
to do it on a street course right, with
1186
00:45:30.595 --> 00:45:33.095
how bad the alternate was, it,
1187
00:45:33.115 --> 00:45:35.895
it would be a disaster, right? If one of the tires,
1188
00:45:35.895 --> 00:45:37.415
Well it would just, it would just become a four stop.
1189
00:45:38.165 --> 00:45:40.015
Yeah. But it would be, it would be a farcical one
1190
00:45:40.015 --> 00:45:41.855
because you'd be doing two laps on one set of tires,
1191
00:45:41.885 --> 00:45:43.335
pitting two laps on another set of tires,
1192
00:45:43.335 --> 00:45:45.495
pitting and then driving. Like it would be,
1193
00:45:45.515 --> 00:45:46.615
It would be, it would fuel a number. Yes,
1194
00:45:46.685 --> 00:45:47.685
Dude.
1195
00:45:47.685 --> 00:45:48.255
It would be, it would be farcical,
1196
00:45:48.255 --> 00:45:50.055
it would be terrible Here.
1197
00:45:50.475 --> 00:45:53.375
The, the alt the the, the hards are not that bad.
1198
00:45:53.375 --> 00:45:55.175
They're not as good as the softs.
1199
00:45:55.175 --> 00:45:56.615
So you're gonna wanna run the softs more,
1200
00:45:56.835 --> 00:45:58.015
but having to do two.
1201
00:45:58.245 --> 00:46:03.165
Yeah. Okay. Fine. Um, I don't think that
1202
00:46:03.745 --> 00:46:06.645
the, I don't count thermal
1203
00:46:06.965 --> 00:46:08.325
'cause it's such an outlier of a track.
1204
00:46:08.395 --> 00:46:09.485
It's such a unique place.
1205
00:46:09.625 --> 00:46:11.045
So we've had two street circuits
1206
00:46:11.045 --> 00:46:12.565
where we know there's an issue with the,
1207
00:46:14.515 --> 00:46:16.065
we've had two street tracks that's fair.
1208
00:46:16.065 --> 00:46:18.785
Where we know the tires behave a certain way.
1209
00:46:19.215 --> 00:46:22.545
That I think still plays perfectly into your
1210
00:46:23.165 --> 00:46:26.425
theory on why street races have gone caution free.
1211
00:46:26.865 --> 00:46:31.185
I don't think that's inaccurate. Right. So I I don't know.
1212
00:46:31.215 --> 00:46:33.065
It's, you know, that that's,
1213
00:46:33.065 --> 00:46:34.825
that's a kind of different issue. It's
1214
00:46:34.825 --> 00:46:36.345
A diff it's a different box for
1215
00:46:36.345 --> 00:46:37.345
Sure.
1216
00:46:37.345 --> 00:46:38.345
Right. Thermal is its own unique Yes.
1217
00:46:38.345 --> 00:46:40.145
Surface and has its own challenges, whatever.
1218
00:46:40.485 --> 00:46:42.065
So it's almost like,
1219
00:46:42.125 --> 00:46:43.705
and I know this decision was not being
1220
00:46:43.735 --> 00:46:44.865
made just based on Barber.
1221
00:46:45.085 --> 00:46:46.265
It was made before the weekend,
1222
00:46:46.965 --> 00:46:49.835
but we now have had a, a race at Barber,
1223
00:46:49.835 --> 00:46:51.835
which was a good race, which the tires were great
1224
00:46:51.835 --> 00:46:53.155
and you could push hard on 'em the whole time.
1225
00:46:54.295 --> 00:46:55.795
And we didn't have a caution fine.
1226
00:46:55.895 --> 00:46:57.315
But that's happened before at Barber.
1227
00:46:57.635 --> 00:47:00.715
I guess what I'm getting at is I think that in my opinion,
1228
00:47:00.975 --> 00:47:03.915
we do not have enough data points to really decide,
1229
00:47:04.055 --> 00:47:05.635
oh my God, we have an issue here.
1230
00:47:06.405 --> 00:47:08.115
Let's change a fundamental rule.
1231
00:47:08.955 --> 00:47:12.715
Hmm.
That said, I do agree with you that
1232
00:47:14.605 --> 00:47:15.845
I like the fact that they're thinking
1233
00:47:15.845 --> 00:47:17.125
and they're willing to try things.
1234
00:47:17.865 --> 00:47:19.725
In my opinion it's too early to try.
1235
00:47:20.225 --> 00:47:22.965
But I'm also very, very open
1236
00:47:23.185 --> 00:47:25.325
and happy to be proven very wrong.
1237
00:47:26.025 --> 00:47:27.845
Um, 'cause I, I, I'm not like,
1238
00:47:28.365 --> 00:47:30.955
I don't feel super strongly about this particular
1239
00:47:31.975 --> 00:47:33.835
format one way or the other.
1240
00:47:34.355 --> 00:47:35.755
I never like when you take less,
1241
00:47:37.145 --> 00:47:39.035
when you take decision making away from teams,
1242
00:47:39.985 --> 00:47:42.315
when it gives teams less freedom to decide what to do.
1243
00:47:42.505 --> 00:47:44.915
That to me, I don't love that. Mm-hmm.
1244
00:47:44.915 --> 00:47:47.595
But if it works, I'm, I'm happy for it.
1245
00:47:47.595 --> 00:47:48.835
The bigger thing for me is I think it's,
1246
00:47:48.835 --> 00:47:51.275
it's almost too early to make that call, but Yep,
1247
00:47:51.715 --> 00:47:52.715
I hear you.
1248
00:47:52.715 --> 00:47:54.755
We'll see, the the, the one thing that also is a little bit
1249
00:47:54.755 --> 00:47:56.515
of a, a, a wrinkle in it
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and we'll end on this, um, is with this new rule,
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there is no requirement to run new reds.
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So you can run,
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00:48:06.145 --> 00:48:08.555
your red requirement can be met on used tires.
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So while so,
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So sorry.
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So the way the rules have been one set
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of sticker reds is saved until the ra,
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00:48:16.695 --> 00:48:18.515
you are not allowed to use them until the race.
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00:48:18.515 --> 00:48:21.635
Correct. Are you now saying that that fifth set is free
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to use at any point the weekend?
1261
00:48:23.175 --> 00:48:25.995
Yes. There are no tire. Okay. Rule requirements.
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00:48:26.265 --> 00:48:27.555
Okay. So that's gonna make it
1263
00:48:27.555 --> 00:48:28.995
qualifying interesting too because,
1264
00:48:29.095 --> 00:48:30.355
Not really, because already
1265
00:48:30.355 --> 00:48:32.595
You could throw two sets in the F six if you wanted,
1266
00:48:34.055 --> 00:48:35.355
You could, but already
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00:48:35.355 --> 00:48:38.475
because of the extra alternates this year you're running
1268
00:48:38.545 --> 00:48:40.515
news in the F six. So it's kind what
1269
00:48:40.515 --> 00:48:41.515
I'm saying.
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00:48:41.515 --> 00:48:42.195
You could do two if you really would,
1271
00:48:42.495 --> 00:48:44.195
if the used reds were good enough,
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00:48:44.525 --> 00:48:46.275
which you don't know to warm up. You wouldn't.
1273
00:48:46.275 --> 00:48:48.635
Yeah, you wouldn't. Yeah. But I, I just think it's,
1274
00:48:48.655 --> 00:48:52.515
it is interesting because there is the potential
1275
00:48:52.825 --> 00:48:57.155
that cars, I guess to your point there is the potential,
1276
00:48:57.215 --> 00:49:00.715
the cars in the fast six will have no new reds
1277
00:49:00.775 --> 00:49:01.835
and there is a potential
1278
00:49:01.835 --> 00:49:05.275
that the car on 13th will have two sets of new reds.
1279
00:49:05.375 --> 00:49:06.395
So Right. There's a,
1280
00:49:06.395 --> 00:49:08.275
there's a bigger discrepancy potential
1281
00:49:08.275 --> 00:49:09.315
than there has been in the past.
1282
00:49:10.045 --> 00:49:13.995
Again, the used red is, is a pretty good tire in DGP,
1283
00:49:13.995 --> 00:49:15.635
so I don't think it's like a game changer,
1284
00:49:15.735 --> 00:49:17.275
but it, it is something to consider.
1285
00:49:17.415 --> 00:49:19.795
So anyways, it'll be interesting to see how it plays out.
1286
00:49:19.975 --> 00:49:22.875
Um, as we both said, good. The IndyCar is thinking.
1287
00:49:23.675 --> 00:49:24.675
I agree with you completely.
1288
00:49:24.995 --> 00:49:28.595
I don't know that this is the, maybe the time to
1289
00:49:29.405 --> 00:49:31.955
experiment with it in terms of what we've,
1290
00:49:32.055 --> 00:49:33.675
the sample size of what we've already seen.
1291
00:49:33.935 --> 00:49:34.995
Um, but it is what it is.
1292
00:49:34.995 --> 00:49:36.195
Same for everyone is certainly not gonna
1293
00:49:36.195 --> 00:49:37.235
make anything worse.
1294
00:49:37.695 --> 00:49:41.155
No. Um, so tune in to see how it checks out
1295
00:49:41.375 --> 00:49:42.835
or works out, I should say.
1296
00:49:43.115 --> 00:49:45.915
'cause it should be, um, there,
1297
00:49:45.915 --> 00:49:48.155
there will be different approaches to how people go about
1298
00:49:48.455 --> 00:49:50.755
and, and, and handle this, this rule.
1299
00:49:51.055 --> 00:49:53.875
And it should make for an exciting race
1300
00:49:53.895 --> 00:49:55.635
for second through 27th. It sure
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00:49:55.635 --> 00:49:56.635
Will.
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It sure will.
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