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This is, is off track, man, I haven't, I don't,
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I wish we had something to talk about. ,
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what do you, yeah. What's, how's your week been, man?
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Well, I wanna start
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with the first thing on my list, which, okay.
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I, I had no idea. I had no idea what was to come, um,
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when I first started my list on Friday.
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So I got, I got a lot of, a lot
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of very angry comments in the comment box.
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Um, or the suggestion box, I should say.
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Um, very nastily worded letters. Um, sorry, what comments?
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What was I'm talking about? With the safety crew? Yeah.
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With the safety crew. Yeah. Yeah.
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Oh, and I just want to tell everyone, uh,
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to <inaudible> off , um, because ,
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because here's the thing.
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I feel like, um, especially on this show,
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and I'm not saying that people
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that watch the broadcast listen to this show, um,
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but I would, I would, they should, I would like to say that
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all of the IndyCar drivers, um, are nothing ever
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but publicly incredibly appreciative about the A MR safety
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team and IndyCar Medical and everything that they do.
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And we are constantly, um, recognizing them,
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um, whether it's drivers teams, tracks,
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series officials as the best in the business.
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Because the fact of the matter is they are, um,
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and a lot of what they do
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and why they're the best in the business is
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because of the response time, um, that they have,
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especially when we're on these high speed ovals, right?
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Big hits, James, you know, firsthand like
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what that can mean for a driver.
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And you never know the severity of the situation
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until you get there, obviously.
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Um, but there, there is, there is cause
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and effect to things that happen.
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Um, and I want to give a little bit of background, um,
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to this whole situation that occurred on Fast Friday
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because people that think
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I was upset at the safety crew
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because I had to abort a qualifying sim no, or
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because I had no, no, no, no, or
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'cause I had to go slower in pit lane or,
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because all of these other things, um,
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have really no semblance of a clue as to what we do.
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Um, and also they don't have any understanding
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of my personal relationship of what happened to a teammate
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of mine in 2015.
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Uh, Jules Bianchi when he died,
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because he went under a recovery vehicle going into Fast
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Friday, um, what people do on Fast Friday is Fast Friday is
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all about qualifying simulation, right?
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You are doing everything that you can to prepare yourself
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for the next two days, qualifying day.
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Um, and it's a very unique day because usually in qualifying
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or not usually all the time in qualifying,
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you are a single car, single car on track.
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Um, you're taking these high risk, uh, decisions, um,
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at four laps, kind of at the limit of yourself in the car,
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and you're by yourself.
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So really the risk that you have is for yourself
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and yourself Only when a car hits the wall,
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safety's rolling immediately getting to that person,
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attending to that person.
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No big deal in practice.
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Um, when there's a car that hits the wall, um,
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you're in group running, you're at slower speeds in the
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race, you're in group running, you're at slower
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speeds, all these sort of things.
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The other thing that happens on Fast Friday,
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aside from being at high speeds,
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the lowest down force setting you're gonna be on all week
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is, um, you pull the brakes back.
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And what pulling the brakes back means is
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it doesn't mean you don't have brakes.
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What it means is that in practice
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and in the race when you go to hit the brake pedal,
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you've got instant stopping power in qualifying.
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And in fast Friday, you don't, you have
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to actually pump the brakes up
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and get the brake pedal firm enough
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because the pads are pulled back from the
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rotors. Yes, James, and,
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And just for, just for reference, the reason you do
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that in qualifying runs is you do not want the pad
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to touch the rotor at all at any point during your run,
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because that creates friction, slows you down.
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It's a common practice. Correct.
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But yes, it means you gotta pump the pedal two, three times
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before the pads actually reach the rotors
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and it it does anything to stop the car.
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Correct. And so what occurred on Friday in this particular
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instance was a, was a, was a multitude of factors that,
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as we like to say in the aviation world,
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the holes in the Swiss cheese lined up.
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There was a lot of things that happened
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that were just unlucky in a lot of circumstances.
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So number one, um, I was on track with two other cars.
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Um, Kiffin was about eight seconds in front
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of me starting a Q sim.
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Um, pretty wild to have an accident, um, starting a Q sim.
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But again, that's the,
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the challenge of these cars right now.
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Um, I was also beginning a Q sim.
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So I, the engine was all the way turned up.
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I was coming to green, so I was at basically full chat
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through turn three in the short shoot.
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And so I got the call and the notification
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and everything that yellow, yellow, yellow,
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there's a crash in four.
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Lot of debris pit off a four.
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The other thing that happens under yellow
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conditions is you pit off a four.
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The other thing that hasn't happened at any point in the
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weekend at all
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Was pitting off
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Pitting off a four, especially at speed,
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you pit off a four when there's a crash
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or a, a track inspection or whatever.
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Yellow for debris, yeah. You're going
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80 miles an hour in second gear coming into pit lane.
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So I was in the short shoot looking for a car, trying
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to pump up brakes, driving through a debris field
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and pitting off four for the first time.
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Meanwhile, a two ton diesel Chevy pickup is rolling
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to Kiffin to the incident site, trying
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to get to 'em as soon as possible.
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There has been a lot of discussion
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that I have had internally with IndyCar
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and the A MR safety team as a result of this accident.
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And I'm gonna tell you the conclusion of it here shortly.
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But one of the things that they do
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and they're trained to do, um, that I was not aware of, um,
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is they actually make a block.
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Yeah. They block the car to protect,
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To protect the car.
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Yeah. That is exposed in pit lane.
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What I saw from my side is a car is a truck rolling,
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and in their defense, um, they did not know where I was.
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And this is something that came out of the meeting.
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They don't have the information that you would expect
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that they would have, like all the teams have
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with marching ants
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and a network connection and all this sort of thing.
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And the problem with that is because previously if they were
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just using the NTT IndyCar app, there's too much latency
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and too much delay for it to be useful for them.
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So they were not aware of where I was,
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which was in the middle of four when they were rolling,
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they then saw me and put the block on.
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I was trying to move, which these cars are very hard
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to move right in the first place.
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So I was trying to move in the opposite direction of they
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that they were while trying
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to get the car slowed down, all this sort of thing.
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Therein lies the frustration as to what happened
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because I saw a truck that was weaving back and forth
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and all I was trying to do was follow the rules
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and pit off a four and get into pit lane.
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Fast forward to conversations that were had with IndyCar
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and the MR safety team.
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I'm not gonna get into the
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details 'cause it does not matter.
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It ended up being a very positive conversation.
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And what came out of it was Microsoft Surface tablets
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for all the trucks, a network connection
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and the potential for ovals, uh, there
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to be spotters in terms of one
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and three for the safety trucks that are rolling
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to identify other cars that are on track.
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So all of you that are yelling at me about my frustration
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for a situation that was in the cockpit, quite a scary
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and sketchy situation.
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This is all an actual incredibly
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positive thing that came out of it.
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And none of it was negatively directed at the people
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that we know protect us and save our lives.
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So that's all I have to say.
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Thank you for clearing that up. Hmm.
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Uh, I was one of the people
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that was confused at the hand gesture
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because we didn't see the, we didn't see your relationship
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to the truck on the broadcast.
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We just kind of saw you slowing down a, waving your hand.
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You could kind of deduce what roughly had happened.
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But getting the full thing is, is important.
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I love, I love the spotter idea.
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That's an act that's actually crazy
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that no one had thought about that up to now.
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But it's a great thing that has come out of that for sure.
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The tablet thing, I'll be honest, IndyCar Network,
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not necessarily the most reliable thing in, in the world.
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Very, very true. So I actually like the spotter idea better.
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Um, that's a, that's, it's weird that like there's a,
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a situation where technology is actually more reliable than
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human when normally everything else that we're doing in,
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in the world is replacing humans with technology
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to avoid human error.
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Um, but that's one where the humans still play a big part.
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The other thing that I take outta that story is,
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so, you know, like the January
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or December meetings, whatever, right?
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There was a time, so like I hear you say, I did not know
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that was the procedure, that the car,
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the truck blocks the car.
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There was a time where those meetings were a full day
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and the drivers heard from the marketing department,
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the PR department, the competition department,
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the safety team, the medical department,
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and it was like a full all round,
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all encompassing drivers getting up to date on everything
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that's happening with IndyCar.
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And they stopped doing that at some point, I forget
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what year, but it turned into,
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it's like basically purely a competition meeting, right?
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Mm-hmm . For the last few years it's been J Fry
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and the drivers and you run through the issues from the last
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year and things that in car
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thinking about for the next year, whatever.
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But like I know that that's the procedure for a safety car
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or for the safety team, not
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because of my relationship with the safety team.
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Because there was a time when the head
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of the safety team would come in
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and do a half hour presentation for all the drivers on,
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Hey guys, here's what we do.
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Every, every when a car hits the wall,
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there is a choreographed routine
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and everybody in the truck has a role
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and everybody's gonna do this.
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So that way as a driver, if you have an accident,
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you almost know what to expect more
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for the driver inside the car.
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But in this case, it also could have some relevance
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for other drivers outside of the accident
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that are coming up on the accident
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to understand maybe the movements of the truck
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and be able to predict a little bit what could be coming.
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So I would love to see in car go back to that
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because I thought it was super relevant for drivers
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to have an understanding of the commercial
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health of the sport.
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I thought it was relevant to speak
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to the safety team, to the doctors.
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One of the things we used to do is we used to have,
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at the time it was Terry Tramell would come in
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and go through every accident from the previous year
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and any injuries that came from it
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and what information they gleaned from that.
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Because Indy IndyCar is taking information from every
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situation to, to make IndyCar safer.
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And it why wouldn't you educate the drivers on
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what was happening in that realm?
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So while the competition meetings
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that they have become have been very productive
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and very helpful in a lot of ways, I think
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that there's a lot more that we could also be doing still in
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that meeting, um, that we used to do.
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So unrelated but kind of related. Yeah.
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So thanks for clearing that up.
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I'm glad that we all know. Um,
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Is there anything else that we can get mad at you about
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that you'd be like, yeah, fair enough.
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Just 'cause like, I don't wanna spend the rest
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of this week not hating on you online.
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I mean there's, I'm sure there's something,
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probably something I'll say today, so, okay.
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Alright. Oh, I know, I know.
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Something can't wait for this.
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We were promoting, we were promoting your Java house
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appearance yesterday being, we're filming this on Tuesday,
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yesterday being Monday after practice, us being open
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to the public, which apparently it was not,
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I didn't even know what it was.
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And honestly it was kind of a waste of time.
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So, I mean, I don't, I'm sorry.
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Like I did, I did, we're doing with my mom.
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We're doing, we're doing a, uh, we're doing our final,
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we're doing our final ECR driver meet
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and greet at a Java house in Clay Terrace tomorrow.
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Well, no one's gonna know because it happened Wednesday.
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This comes out Thursday. So nevermind.
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You missed your chance. Hope you were there.
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See you next year. Yeah. I
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Hope you were there. .
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Okay, so we've talked about Fast Friday.
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We don't need to go through Fast Friday.
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Um, let's just get to qualifying. Yeah. Qualifying Saturday.
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How was your day? Other than bro,
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I mean, we
Mildly frustrating.
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It was, it was, it was. I don't, it was very hard.
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Um, so I know you said we're done with Fast Friday,
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but you can't talk about qualifying without
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going back to Fast Friday.
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So Fast Friday, super hot, super windy. Yes.
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Um, we, I couldn't, well a lot
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of things happened to us.
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So we were supposed to go at the drop at the green.
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Um, we, the track was gonna be at its best,
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if you will, and, and leave.
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And there was an engine calibration issue.
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So we had to abort that run, um, come back in,
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you gotta cool the car down, blah, blah, blah.
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So it's kind of a 40 minute situation that happens.
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Then we went out again, the whole Kiffin medical
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truck situation happened.
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So another 45, well that was a wall repair,
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so it was like an hour and 20 minutes,
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gotta cool the car down, all this sort of thing.
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We went out again, um, at the downforce
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that we were expecting to do at the start of the day,
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which was far too light, um, for the conditions
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and it kind of spiraled from there.
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And we never really got a complete run in so fast forward to
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Saturday, uh, where the conditions were completely
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different, much better in a lot of respects in terms
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of track temp, ambient temp, still a little bit gusty,
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but the, the major factors were gonna be better.
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Um, so we practiced Saturday morning, which a lot of teams,
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um, you know, usually don't do.
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But because the conditions were so different, we saw a lot
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of takers Saturday morning. And
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Were you, were you on board with
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that decision? Because I know that's
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Hundred percent like that was my decision. Yeah,
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Just, just because the conditions were so different.
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Conditions were so different
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and we didn't actually get a run in on Friday and you
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Weren't happy on Friday. Okay.
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So, and we, we knew approximately
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what downforce level we wanted
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to be on based on the open test
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where we were running one five boost
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and we knew approximately where we wanted
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to be based on a QI we did on race boost lower in the week.
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Anyways, long story short, um, we went out
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and our first run was, uh,
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I wanna say that the downforce level this year, um,
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seemed to be a much smaller deciding factor in whether
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or not you are successful
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as the just general balance of the car.
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So the balance of the car was really,
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really hard to get right this year.
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Right. Um, it was very much either a huge amount
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of takeoff under steer or you were saving your life in the
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middle of the corner with Oversteering the rear.
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And so the, the downforce level that we went out on a lot
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of other cars successfully ran.
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So it's not like we were trying to be incredibly aggressive.
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We thought we were taking a, you know,
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non-conservative approach,
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but a, a reasonable approach based on
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what we had previously completed.
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And it was 65 degree ambient temp.
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I think it was like 88 degree track temp at the time.
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And we thought this is gonna be, we need to make a step
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because this is gonna be our best chance
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to get in the fast 12.
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'cause we had a great draw. We, we were rolling off, uh,
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fifth and so we were, we were kind of going for it.
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It wasn't a good run. Um, I had to start lifting kind
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of from that two
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and was really fighting the balance of the car,
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Which end was going, um,
The rear.
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Okay. Um, the rear was going on lap one, so it was,
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I knew it was in
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for quite a ride when I was loose in turn one lap one.
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Um, and so then we did three subsequent runs of
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varying down force levels that quite honestly,
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even though I was flat, um, didn't really go any quicker.
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Like, we did improve slightly by like 0.1 of a mile an hour.
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Um, but we weren't able to break through into the top 12.
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Um, which was really honestly, um, we fell short,
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you know, ECR qualifying at Indianapolis,
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the expectation is there's gonna be at least one car in the
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fast 12, if not in the pole shootout.
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Um, there has been for the past decade. Yeah.
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So it, uh, it was really a not a good day, um,
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Saturday evening, um, when none of the three cars made it.
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And there's been some, a little bit of understanding as
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to why already in the, in the postmortem.
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Um, but certainly there's
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Been, I assume nothing that you can share,
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Nothing we can share.
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Um, but, uh, a huge emphasis
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and demand has been placed on the team from the ownership
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that this never happens again.
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So there's gonna be a lot of focus on Indi qualifying, um,
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back in for 2026.
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So with the understanding that full transparency, I don't,
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you and I have not talked about this offline,
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so I don't know what you're referring to,
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but, um, was it something
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that was like human error? No,
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Procedurally no, no human error.
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I think we set up philosophy.
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We, um, we just didn't, um,
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turn over all of the rocks, let's put it that way.
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So there was no errors, there was no mistakes.
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Um, there was just maybe not as much, um,
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as much study done potentially as other teams.
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So that is, uh, what it boils down to.
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We ultimately, you're, you're dealing
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with fractions of a second.
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Like, it's not like we were miles away, you know, for
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to be pissed off with 14th, 16th and 19th.
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Like, it's not like it was a disaster.
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Um, but certainly again, by the team standards, it,
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it fell pretty, pretty far short.
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Yeah, that's, that's understandable.
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Um, we'll, we'll get to the fact
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that you're not starting 14th in a sec,
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but let's just cover off the rest of qualifying.
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Yep. Um,
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Some big shunts,
Some big shunts, you know,
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obviously <crosstalk>, some amazing
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Recoveries
In practice.
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Uh, Colton's crash was tough to watch.
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Colton's crash in actual qualifying tough to watch Armstrong
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Qualifying practice
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Armstrong in qualifying practice on Saturday.
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Tough to watch. Um, all the guys, you know, obviously,
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you know, we already talked about what Kiffin
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and I mean, coming to the green,
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like I I've never seen a car wreck come into the green.
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I know, and as you said, just highlights
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how difficult these things are and,
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and I've had somebody ask me, they're like,
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why are we seeing more wrecks this year than normal?
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And I was like, it's not just
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that you're seeing more wrecks, it's
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that you're seeing more wrecks from really quick cars.
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Um, it's not just inexperienced guys that are crashing
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because to be quick with this generation of car,
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and I'm calling it the hybrid generation, right?
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You mechanically have to have the thing so loose
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to just dial some under steer out of it
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that this is happening to the guys that are going quickly.
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It's not happening to the guys that are struggling
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to make it, you know, the 23rd.
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Yeah. It's, it's fast cars.
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So, um, is bit of a unique situation. Is
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There any concern with how many
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of these have gone airborne?
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Yes, there sure is.
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So, but I mean, what is, I feel like since, I don't know,
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since this car came out, if you back into the wall at Indy,
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it's not uncommon for the car to flip
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after it hits the wall sort of thing.
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Like, Colton got a little bit higher than I was expecting.
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Marcus got a little bit higher than I was expecting.
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Scott got a little bit higher than I was
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expecting. But when you look at,
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I mean, ulti ultimately they all came down pretty
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nicely. Uh, they
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Didn't go that high.
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I know that sounds awful to say that high, but still,
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I think, I think though there was a huge amount
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of effort from IndyCar, um, especially
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after, what was it, 2016?
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No, 2015. 15, um, 15 when there was a lot of cars flipping.
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Um, when we were in the case, dude,
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LIOs flip outta one was still one
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of the most wild things I've ever seen.
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And so there was holes put in the floor,
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there was anti lift devices put on the diffuser.
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There was a lot of things. And, and for a while it kept,
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and I'm not saying it still isn't keeping, it's keeping them
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on the ground for the most part and in check.
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I think this is just, again, another example
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of when there is that little bit of air that gets
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underneath the car now with more mass, right?
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And more mass further away from the center line of the car.
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It's just, there's, you've got that pendulum
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of inertia, right?
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That's, that's bringing the back end of the car.
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Does that make sense though? Because the weight's in the
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back and it's the back of the car that's lifting up though,
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Right?
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Because when air gets under it
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and it gets the momentum going, it's, it's a bigger lever
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that's, it's going, but
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It needs more energy to lift a heavier
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Object.
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I mean, you've watched an a three 80 take off
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that weighs like 95 tons, 95,000 tons and
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It could do it at a hundred miles an
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Hour, right? And these
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Cars do it twice that,
Right? Yeah. Yeah.
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I guess. Okay. Um,
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High and low pressure is a, is a hell of a hell
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of a science cut, hell of
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A drug.
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Yeah. Uh, luckily all the drivers walked away.
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All the drivers were fine. All the drivers
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were cleared to get back in.
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Um, huge efforts from all, all of those crews.
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Nessi, Andretti, Penske, I mean three
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of the base teams having to rebuild cars
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or put together programs to get their cars,
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their drivers back out.
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Um, I wanna give a shout out to Colton.
504
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Yes. And I, I love Colton.
505
00:21:49.785 --> 00:21:53.405
Um, and he is,
506
00:21:53.765 --> 00:21:55.245
I wouldn't expect anything less of him.
507
00:21:55.505 --> 00:22:00.085
Um, I feel like though our previous broadcast partner,
508
00:22:00.945 --> 00:22:05.665
um, forgot and you guys are a part of that
509
00:22:05.725 --> 00:22:07.785
and I, and I kind of pinned this on you a little bit.
510
00:22:08.485 --> 00:22:09.485
Um,
511
00:22:09.905 --> 00:22:10.945
I mean personally or
512
00:22:11.175 --> 00:22:14.505
Yeah, I, IIII, I feel like there was a lot of
513
00:22:15.055 --> 00:22:18.265
talk about like how incredible that was and, and it, it is,
514
00:22:19.365 --> 00:22:24.225
but let's not forget least we forget 2024 Reuss
515
00:22:24.325 --> 00:22:25.825
VK crashes in turn three
516
00:22:26.565 --> 00:22:29.185
in his qualifying attempt destroys a car.
517
00:22:29.885 --> 00:22:32.825
Not only do they get him back out, he goes out,
518
00:22:32.825 --> 00:22:36.465
runs four lot flat and doesn't qualify 20 whatever.
519
00:22:36.805 --> 00:22:38.505
He makes him the fast 12, right?
520
00:22:38.525 --> 00:22:40.665
So like this isn't something
521
00:22:40.665 --> 00:22:41.985
that no human has ever done before.
522
00:22:42.135 --> 00:22:44.185
This isn't something no team has ever done before.
523
00:22:44.365 --> 00:22:48.225
And not at all, quite honestly, like what they did,
524
00:22:48.485 --> 00:22:50.385
and I'm not just saying this 'cause I'm now their driver,
525
00:22:50.385 --> 00:22:52.065
like ultimately, if anything Renis
526
00:22:52.065 --> 00:22:53.265
and I, for obvious reasons,
527
00:22:53.265 --> 00:22:55.185
wouldn't be the best of whatever.
528
00:22:55.245 --> 00:22:56.545
Why is that
So?
529
00:22:56.765 --> 00:23:00.305
But like it's, that is also what indie car drivers do.
530
00:23:00.485 --> 00:23:01.825
That's what Yeah, a hundred percent.
531
00:23:02.065 --> 00:23:03.705
I mean it's not, Colton did, it did,
532
00:23:03.925 --> 00:23:06.185
Did, did we not give Reus credit for doing that?
533
00:23:07.625 --> 00:23:08.905
I don't feel like as much credit
534
00:23:09.245 --> 00:23:10.865
as has been given to others.
535
00:23:11.325 --> 00:23:12.545
But anyways, that is,
536
00:23:12.765 --> 00:23:15.065
As someone that I know for a fact doesn't watch back on
537
00:23:15.065 --> 00:23:16.305
the broadcast, I'm calling Bull.
538
00:23:16.645 --> 00:23:18.145
You can't say that until you tell me.
539
00:23:18.145 --> 00:23:19.625
You go back and watch qualifying
540
00:23:19.625 --> 00:23:20.625
From whatever it was.
541
00:23:20.625 --> 00:23:23.345
Alright. Yeah, last year. Okay. It's not that far ago.
542
00:23:23.465 --> 00:23:24.705
Whatever it was last year. Yeah, well, yeah.
543
00:23:24.705 --> 00:23:28.465
And you still haven't watched it anyway, again,
544
00:23:28.575 --> 00:23:30.585
I've done it Uhhuh and I know how hard it is.
545
00:23:30.845 --> 00:23:32.065
And so I wanted to give him the props.
546
00:23:32.095 --> 00:23:35.305
Yeah, read us in 2024. Mad props buddy.
547
00:23:35.445 --> 00:23:38.625
Not say, look, Rita's 2025 mad props <inaudible> man.
548
00:23:38.645 --> 00:23:39.825
He had to like go against his
549
00:23:40.025 --> 00:23:41.185
teammate in last Chance's qualifying.
550
00:23:41.185 --> 00:23:42.545
That was awful. And
551
00:23:42.565 --> 00:23:43.565
It sucks.
552
00:23:43.565 --> 00:23:45.285
Now he did some weird stuff though, I must say
553
00:23:46.665 --> 00:23:47.665
Poland, dude.
554
00:23:48.345 --> 00:23:49.445
And apparently so slower.
555
00:23:49.445 --> 00:23:50.965
We talked to go slower Abel to, we talked
556
00:23:50.965 --> 00:23:53.165
to Abel in, uh, on Monday.
557
00:23:53.345 --> 00:23:55.165
He came into the booth and we chatted to him
558
00:23:55.705 --> 00:23:57.645
and he said that was Reina's call
559
00:23:57.645 --> 00:24:01.005
because their hybrid system either didn't function correctly
560
00:24:01.025 --> 00:24:03.925
or he just didn't use it correctly on his qualifying run.
561
00:24:04.305 --> 00:24:05.725
And so he wanted to go back at,
562
00:24:05.885 --> 00:24:06.885
'cause he thought he could go faster
563
00:24:07.305 --> 00:24:09.565
and try to put somebody between him
564
00:24:09.565 --> 00:24:13.325
and Abel to give Jacob the chance to then go faster
565
00:24:13.465 --> 00:24:16.405
and knock, I guess would've been Armstrong out of the race.
566
00:24:16.945 --> 00:24:19.125
So like, it was selfishly motivated,
567
00:24:19.225 --> 00:24:22.205
but I also feel like there's a tiny percent chance
568
00:24:22.365 --> 00:24:24.245
that it was kind of benevolent,
569
00:24:24.845 --> 00:24:26.845
benevolently motivated as well.
570
00:24:27.075 --> 00:24:30.885
Because, you know, Reina drives for the team.
571
00:24:30.905 --> 00:24:33.205
He wants both team members to be in the,
572
00:24:33.265 --> 00:24:34.365
in this, in the race.
573
00:24:34.945 --> 00:24:36.005
He want, you know, he and
574
00:24:36.005 --> 00:24:37.125
Jacob had become very good friends.
575
00:24:37.125 --> 00:24:39.005
He didn't wanna knock his buddy out, all these things.
576
00:24:39.825 --> 00:24:41.405
It was a terrible idea.
577
00:24:41.585 --> 00:24:43.445
It was a terrible idea from the get go.
578
00:24:43.775 --> 00:24:46.165
Never should have done it. The fact that he went slower,
579
00:24:47.035 --> 00:24:48.245
even if he had gone faster.
580
00:24:49.085 --> 00:24:51.565
Terrible idea. And he is so lucky.
581
00:24:51.945 --> 00:24:54.245
So <inaudible> lucky that he's in this race
582
00:24:54.245 --> 00:24:56.125
because that was just a terrible decision,
583
00:24:56.505 --> 00:24:57.925
but pulled it off.
584
00:24:58.715 --> 00:25:01.285
Good for him, bad for Jacob. I really feel for Jacob.
585
00:25:01.485 --> 00:25:03.965
I thought he handled the whole situation incredibly,
586
00:25:03.965 --> 00:25:04.965
Incredibly well.
587
00:25:04.965 --> 00:25:06.365
Classy. His interview, his interview, like,
588
00:25:06.925 --> 00:25:08.725
I remember when Graham got knocked out
589
00:25:08.825 --> 00:25:11.045
for the whatever it was two days.
590
00:25:11.785 --> 00:25:13.605
Um, you know, he handled it with Grace,
591
00:25:13.755 --> 00:25:16.085
obviously you exceptional.
592
00:25:16.545 --> 00:25:21.445
Um, but also somewhat to be expected from guys
593
00:25:21.465 --> 00:25:23.165
who have been around the speedway, right?
594
00:25:23.165 --> 00:25:25.925
To understand what this race is and the tradition
595
00:25:25.925 --> 00:25:27.125
and the history of 33.
596
00:25:27.265 --> 00:25:30.005
And you know, if you didn't get it done,
597
00:25:30.005 --> 00:25:31.565
your team didn't get it done, whatever,
598
00:25:31.625 --> 00:25:33.405
you didn't deserve a spot for a rookie
599
00:25:33.505 --> 00:25:34.805
to handle it as he did.
600
00:25:35.185 --> 00:25:39.285
And to have the, the,
601
00:25:40.545 --> 00:25:45.085
the mental fortitude to represent himself, his team,
602
00:25:45.185 --> 00:25:46.325
his sponsors and the way
603
00:25:46.325 --> 00:25:48.005
that he did in that moment was incredible.
604
00:25:48.105 --> 00:25:49.285
So a huge problem. Him, and
605
00:25:49.285 --> 00:25:51.045
There's and there's a maturity there too, right?
606
00:25:51.545 --> 00:25:53.045
He was a kid, you know, and, and uh,
607
00:25:53.065 --> 00:25:55.765
and he, I, yeah, I think he earned himself a ton of fans
608
00:25:56.665 --> 00:25:57.805
and you know, he was reminded
609
00:25:57.805 --> 00:26:00.965
that guys like Pat Award didn't make it in the 500 his first
610
00:26:00.965 --> 00:26:03.445
time and Nolan Siegel didn't make it in
611
00:26:03.445 --> 00:26:04.485
the 500 his first time.
612
00:26:04.545 --> 00:26:06.245
And those guys are both driving
613
00:26:06.545 --> 00:26:08.325
for the same team at a very high level
614
00:26:08.545 --> 00:26:09.845
and in the show and all these things.
615
00:26:10.065 --> 00:26:11.965
So he's got a bright future ahead of him.
616
00:26:12.045 --> 00:26:14.325
I feel really bad for him. You know, we were chatting
617
00:26:14.325 --> 00:26:15.805
and he goes, I never thought I'd be looking
618
00:26:15.905 --> 00:26:17.165
so forward to going to Detroit .
619
00:26:17.565 --> 00:26:18.605
And I was like, well yeah, enjoy it
620
00:26:18.725 --> 00:26:20.005
'cause you'll never feel this way again.
621
00:26:20.035 --> 00:26:21.165
Yeah. But a hundred percent.
622
00:26:21.425 --> 00:26:24.845
Um, so yeah, pros to him and Prophet arenas for getting in
623
00:26:24.945 --> 00:26:27.325
and of course Marco and Marcus for, uh,
624
00:26:27.325 --> 00:26:28.325
for getting their cars in as well.
625
00:26:29.225 --> 00:26:32.125
Um, let's go to the other side, um,
626
00:26:33.345 --> 00:26:35.765
and talk, oh, 'cause just the last thing on Jacob,
627
00:26:35.775 --> 00:26:38.325
which again we'll add on to the last topic we'll cover.
628
00:26:38.745 --> 00:26:42.805
Um, when questioned about the situation
629
00:26:42.805 --> 00:26:46.165
that developed on Sunday, he said, look, I don't want
630
00:26:46.165 --> 00:26:47.325
to get in on a technicality.
631
00:26:47.685 --> 00:26:49.565
I I wanna be one of the fastest 33.
632
00:26:49.625 --> 00:26:51.885
And he acknowledges that regardless of what was happening
633
00:26:51.885 --> 00:26:53.485
with other cars, that wasn't them.
634
00:26:53.785 --> 00:26:56.365
And again, that takes a tremendously big human being to do.
635
00:26:56.955 --> 00:26:59.965
Okay. Uh, fast. 12, no one cares fast.
636
00:27:00.145 --> 00:27:03.685
Six oh oh no, three cars didn't participate in fast.
637
00:27:03.685 --> 00:27:06.205
12 one crash two got tossed. We'll talk about that later.
638
00:27:06.745 --> 00:27:11.405
Um, so fast 12 is basically fast nine going for six. Mm-hmm
639
00:27:13.405 --> 00:27:14.435
Again, no one cares.
640
00:27:15.065 --> 00:27:17.435
Yeah. No care, no surprises. Four. Let's fast.
641
00:27:17.625 --> 00:27:18.675
Four except
642
00:27:18.815 --> 00:27:20.675
for the one surprise which ended up
643
00:27:20.675 --> 00:27:21.915
being the biggest surprise
644
00:27:21.975 --> 00:27:22.975
Of this year.
645
00:27:22.975 --> 00:27:27.715
So I a a surprise to those tuning in.
646
00:27:27.975 --> 00:27:30.355
Um, for sure. So of course we're talking about Ramish. Are
647
00:27:30.355 --> 00:27:31.955
You gonna jump on the I raced in Europe.
648
00:27:32.075 --> 00:27:33.715
I know how good Prema is train right now.
649
00:27:34.795 --> 00:27:36.435
Absolutely not. Prema,
650
00:27:36.475 --> 00:27:38.555
I mean if anything this year like that Hmm.
651
00:27:38.775 --> 00:27:41.035
Not not awesome for the brand. They've, they've
652
00:27:41.035 --> 00:27:42.795
Underperformed for
Sure, for sure.
653
00:27:43.495 --> 00:27:46.315
Uh, I will just say that as being involved,
654
00:27:46.315 --> 00:27:47.995
especially being in the Chevy camp
655
00:27:48.095 --> 00:27:51.915
and seeing a lot of, you know, Chevy data share reports
656
00:27:51.935 --> 00:27:56.075
and everything like that car all week, um, was
657
00:27:56.665 --> 00:27:58.955
towards a lot of top of the list.
658
00:27:58.965 --> 00:28:02.915
Right? And so when he did his, um,
659
00:28:03.575 --> 00:28:06.715
run on Saturday to get in, he rowed off fourth,
660
00:28:06.835 --> 00:28:07.995
I think he was the car directly in
661
00:28:07.995 --> 00:28:09.035
front of me, maybe third whatever.
662
00:28:09.575 --> 00:28:12.915
And he had the two fastest overall laps of the day.
663
00:28:12.935 --> 00:28:15.195
Faster than Paolo, faster than McLaughlin
664
00:28:15.195 --> 00:28:16.715
who were obviously the, the benchmark
665
00:28:16.715 --> 00:28:18.235
pacesetters come the end of Saturday.
666
00:28:19.075 --> 00:28:21.595
I was like, man, he's actually like a real threat
667
00:28:21.595 --> 00:28:24.355
for this thing because like the car speed's there,
668
00:28:24.455 --> 00:28:25.555
now it's up to the team
669
00:28:25.555 --> 00:28:27.315
and up to him to choose the right trim level
670
00:28:27.375 --> 00:28:30.035
and to survive, you know, two more rounds
671
00:28:30.035 --> 00:28:31.155
of this and all that sort of thing.
672
00:28:31.235 --> 00:28:33.035
'cause it's especially this year, no easy feat,
673
00:28:33.135 --> 00:28:36.795
but I don't think internally, especially in the Chevy camp,
674
00:28:36.825 --> 00:28:38.995
like it was a surprise to see him in the fast six.
675
00:28:39.135 --> 00:28:41.755
I'm not gonna go so far as to say it wasn't a surprise
676
00:28:41.755 --> 00:28:43.435
to see him on the front row, but seeing
677
00:28:43.435 --> 00:28:45.155
that car in the Fast six made a lot of sense.
678
00:28:49.255 --> 00:28:50.595
No, no, I was just gonna say like,
679
00:28:50.935 --> 00:28:52.835
um, we haven't even said his name.
680
00:28:52.835 --> 00:28:54.395
We're talking about Robert Schwartzman, obviously
681
00:28:54.515 --> 00:28:55.515
I said his name.
682
00:28:55.515 --> 00:28:58.275
Oh, you did? Sorry. Who was very gracious in coming
683
00:28:58.295 --> 00:29:00.195
by our show on Tuesday to Thanks bro.
684
00:29:00.195 --> 00:29:02.555
Talk about all this bro. So yeah, really appreciate that.
685
00:29:02.735 --> 00:29:04.875
And uh, low key shout out to Darren
686
00:29:04.875 --> 00:29:06.235
and Melissa Hickey for setting that up.
687
00:29:06.735 --> 00:29:11.595
Um, no one else was a surprise. You had uh, no,
688
00:29:11.975 --> 00:29:13.075
Why
You had polo.
689
00:29:13.195 --> 00:29:16.035
You had Dixon lie. Oh what Kuma. Yeah, Kuma.
690
00:29:16.225 --> 00:29:17.715
Yeah, that's fair. That's actually kind of
691
00:29:17.715 --> 00:29:18.715
Fair.
692
00:29:18.715 --> 00:29:20.835
Can we talk about that's another, that's another thing
693
00:29:20.945 --> 00:29:25.275
that like it's it's getting a little bit
694
00:29:25.305 --> 00:29:26.595
lost in all of the chaos.
695
00:29:26.735 --> 00:29:28.315
No, this isn't Fox. It's getting lost. Lost.
696
00:29:28.315 --> 00:29:29.475
No, no, no, no. I'm just laughing.
697
00:29:29.475 --> 00:29:32.035
You like lie, lie, lie. You're right. Yeah. Yeah. ,
698
00:29:32.385 --> 00:29:33.635
It's getting lost in the chaos
699
00:29:33.815 --> 00:29:35.195
of everything that came this weekend.
700
00:29:35.435 --> 00:29:39.835
A a rookie driver slash rookie team on pull, obviously all
701
00:29:39.835 --> 00:29:42.725
of the chaos that went around, uh, team Penske,
702
00:29:42.985 --> 00:29:45.965
but like Kuma Auto, 49 years old,
703
00:29:46.215 --> 00:29:47.485
48, 48
704
00:29:47.485 --> 00:29:50.245
Years old, had a badass car
705
00:29:50.395 --> 00:29:53.685
that was destroyed in the open test, smashed it up, driving,
706
00:29:53.685 --> 00:29:56.765
driving for a team who quite frankly has struggled
707
00:29:56.765 --> 00:30:00.085
to get cars into the race, um, for the past several years
708
00:30:00.625 --> 00:30:02.205
are him last year.
709
00:30:02.985 --> 00:30:06.205
Um, but we all know the blood, sweat
710
00:30:06.265 --> 00:30:10.565
and tears that go into preparing indie specific race cars.
711
00:30:11.265 --> 00:30:13.045
And to think
712
00:30:13.225 --> 00:30:16.525
and assume that the car that he was gonna be
713
00:30:16.925 --> 00:30:20.565
provided for the month of May was gonna be anywhere close to
714
00:30:20.565 --> 00:30:23.365
what he had at the open test in April.
715
00:30:23.905 --> 00:30:25.965
No one believed that was possible because Correct.
716
00:30:26.515 --> 00:30:27.845
It's the difference of three weeks
717
00:30:27.865 --> 00:30:29.845
of preparation versus 12 months,
718
00:30:30.145 --> 00:30:31.565
11 months, whatever you wanna call it.
719
00:30:32.345 --> 00:30:36.965
And the fact that not only did they build a car
720
00:30:36.965 --> 00:30:39.565
that was good enough to safely get in the race
721
00:30:39.595 --> 00:30:40.725
with no questions asked,
722
00:30:41.035 --> 00:30:42.845
he's on the <inaudible> front row man.
723
00:30:42.995 --> 00:30:45.685
Like that beating nessi, beating Penske,
724
00:30:45.685 --> 00:30:47.445
beating Andretti, beating McLaren.
725
00:30:47.445 --> 00:30:49.525
Like that is unbelievable to me.
726
00:30:50.065 --> 00:30:51.605
It is unreal. That's, that's a valid point.
727
00:30:51.775 --> 00:30:53.125
First and second in this race.
728
00:30:53.315 --> 00:30:55.485
Make no sense to anybody on paper.
729
00:30:56.225 --> 00:30:59.045
Um, the Kuma one makes slightly more sense
730
00:30:59.285 --> 00:31:00.645
'cause obviously very experienced
731
00:31:00.825 --> 00:31:02.525
and is with a team that's done it before.
732
00:31:02.715 --> 00:31:04.925
He's won it with this team before. Mm-hmm .
733
00:31:06.425 --> 00:31:08.005
Do you know every single time you start in the top
734
00:31:08.005 --> 00:31:09.085
five? He's won. He's won.
735
00:31:09.225 --> 00:31:10.445
Uh, I'm aware. I'm aware.
736
00:31:10.825 --> 00:31:13.885
Um, you gotta remember what my job is.
737
00:31:13.885 --> 00:31:16.125
There's not a stat that you know about the general
738
00:31:16.295 --> 00:31:17.565
field that I haven't heard.
739
00:31:18.065 --> 00:31:19.485
Uh, it's just my job.
740
00:31:20.625 --> 00:31:23.845
You specifically your team specifically. Chevy specifically
741
00:31:23.845 --> 00:31:24.845
Maybe, but Oh really?
742
00:31:24.845 --> 00:31:26.845
What was Callum's warmup lab? I shouldn't have said that on
743
00:31:26.925 --> 00:31:27.925
Saturday.
744
00:31:27.925 --> 00:31:29.445
Yeah, I said Chevy specific. Uh, 2 14 8.
745
00:31:29.905 --> 00:31:32.205
No.
Oh, that's a good guess though.
746
00:31:33.865 --> 00:31:35.245
Do you know what Calvin's wear mouth was?
747
00:31:35.395 --> 00:31:37.245
Obviously not.
Oh, okay.
748
00:31:37.245 --> 00:31:39.605
So that's, so there's nothing you know, that I don't
749
00:31:40.035 --> 00:31:41.405
that you haven't that you've heard that I have.
750
00:31:41.405 --> 00:31:42.765
Shut up. Statman idiot.
751
00:31:42.905 --> 00:31:47.685
Anyway, . Anyway. Rookie team, rookie driver.
752
00:31:47.835 --> 00:31:49.005
It's literally never happened before.
753
00:31:49.265 --> 00:31:51.525
And all the people that are like, oh, the very first race,
754
00:31:52.145 --> 00:31:53.725
oh, shut up The first race.
755
00:31:53.945 --> 00:31:56.885
No, no. The first race they qualified based on the order in
756
00:31:56.885 --> 00:31:58.485
which they submitted their entry.
757
00:31:58.485 --> 00:32:00.365
There was no qualifying. That's how they started.
758
00:32:00.985 --> 00:32:02.565
Man. Wish we could do that. So
759
00:32:04.345 --> 00:32:07.165
, why would it'd be a race to the mailbox, race to FedEx .
760
00:32:07.835 --> 00:32:09.845
Like, Yeah.
761
00:32:09.985 --> 00:32:12.645
Anyway, um, I'm glad we don't do that
762
00:32:12.765 --> 00:32:13.765
'cause this is much more exciting.
763
00:32:13.985 --> 00:32:17.725
But dude, okay, rookie team, rookie driver, all that stuff.
764
00:32:18.885 --> 00:32:23.525
Absolutely insane. There are years at the track where
765
00:32:24.505 --> 00:32:28.205
one car is just, it's just, it's just fast.
766
00:32:28.355 --> 00:32:29.765
It's just faster than the rest.
767
00:32:30.315 --> 00:32:31.885
It's faster than the rest to the point
768
00:32:31.885 --> 00:32:33.805
where they can run it comfortable.
769
00:32:34.105 --> 00:32:36.925
And I'm gonna use air quotes when I say comfortable to drive
770
00:32:37.195 --> 00:32:39.165
because it's never comfortable qualifying
771
00:32:39.290 --> 00:32:40.330
an IndyCar at the Speedway.
772
00:32:40.625 --> 00:32:43.205
But in relative degrees
773
00:32:44.385 --> 00:32:47.485
it can comfortably drive around faster than everything else.
774
00:32:48.355 --> 00:32:50.565
When you watched, we didn't have an onboard forum,
775
00:32:50.625 --> 00:32:54.005
but when you watched Schwartzman's qualifying attempts
776
00:32:54.065 --> 00:32:58.485
and not just the one for poll top 12 on Saturday,
777
00:32:59.665 --> 00:33:01.245
he was driving the thing, man, like
778
00:33:01.245 --> 00:33:03.005
that thing wasn't just so fast.
779
00:33:03.145 --> 00:33:06.365
It was buttoned down, easy to ju like easy, flat turned
780
00:33:06.365 --> 00:33:08.085
and left not adjusting the tools.
781
00:33:09.665 --> 00:33:10.885
He was wheeling the thing.
782
00:33:11.185 --> 00:33:14.365
And for me, that's probably the most impressive part
783
00:33:14.365 --> 00:33:16.165
of it all because Prema
784
00:33:16.225 --> 00:33:17.885
for all the issues they've had this year,
785
00:33:18.155 --> 00:33:19.845
they have some very experienced engineers.
786
00:33:19.845 --> 00:33:21.205
They've got an experienced team manager,
787
00:33:21.205 --> 00:33:22.365
they've got Ryan Briscoe
788
00:33:22.365 --> 00:33:24.165
as a sporting director slash driver coach.
789
00:33:24.195 --> 00:33:26.245
They've got, uh, some mechanics that have been doing this
790
00:33:26.245 --> 00:33:27.285
for a while in IndyCar.
791
00:33:27.875 --> 00:33:28.965
They have a lot of the elements
792
00:33:28.965 --> 00:33:30.045
that you need to be successful.
793
00:33:30.945 --> 00:33:32.165
The unknown was the driver.
794
00:33:33.305 --> 00:33:34.885
And on a, on a year
795
00:33:34.885 --> 00:33:36.885
where drivers are saying it's trickier
796
00:33:36.885 --> 00:33:37.965
than it's been for a while.
797
00:33:38.345 --> 00:33:40.125
You gotta, you gotta really hustle the thing.
798
00:33:40.125 --> 00:33:43.165
You gotta wheel it. He got in and got the job done.
799
00:33:43.305 --> 00:33:44.365
And I gotta say it's,
800
00:33:44.435 --> 00:33:46.525
it's probably the most impressive part of the whole thing.
801
00:33:46.595 --> 00:33:49.845
More even so than the team is the fact that he could do it
802
00:33:49.845 --> 00:33:52.485
and compete against sodo
803
00:33:52.485 --> 00:33:56.845
and Array Hall Patto into McLaren Polo and Dixon in IES
804
00:33:56.945 --> 00:33:58.445
and Felix in an MSR car.
805
00:33:58.905 --> 00:34:01.445
It was a truly remarkable day
806
00:34:01.865 --> 00:34:05.765
and he's got a great view in a turned one on Sunday.
807
00:34:07.675 --> 00:34:10.965
Correct. No notes and
That was it. No,
808
00:34:11.035 --> 00:34:12.925
There's nothing else to talk about with qualifying,
809
00:34:14.185 --> 00:34:18.565
So I wish
810
00:34:18.565 --> 00:34:19.725
that had been like a bourbon or something
811
00:34:19.725 --> 00:34:20.925
that would've had more impact.
812
00:34:21.745 --> 00:34:24.245
Um, okay, Alex.
813
00:34:25.395 --> 00:34:28.925
Okay James,
What do you want to say on the topic? I'm
814
00:34:28.925 --> 00:34:29.925
Just gonna hammer it all.
815
00:34:31.115 --> 00:34:32.965
when you can. Alright, I wasn't expecting that.
816
00:34:32.965 --> 00:34:34.085
This is great. Gid up.
817
00:34:34.435 --> 00:34:37.045
Yeah guys, this is what you tuned in for. Let's be honest.
818
00:34:37.505 --> 00:34:38.885
Uh, we're here now. Let's go.
819
00:34:39.325 --> 00:34:43.125
Everyone knows at this point that uh, the two in the 12,
820
00:34:43.545 --> 00:34:47.955
um, failed, uh, a tech inspection,
821
00:34:48.455 --> 00:34:50.875
um, for Fast 12 qualifying on Sunday
822
00:34:51.735 --> 00:34:55.435
and originally were, uh, well pulled the cars from line.
823
00:34:55.655 --> 00:34:59.115
Um, there's conflicting reports as to the conversations
824
00:34:59.115 --> 00:35:00.715
that went on that led to that point. But
825
00:35:00.815 --> 00:35:02.275
The chronology of events, all,
826
00:35:02.375 --> 00:35:04.635
All of the things that matter is the cars had
827
00:35:04.825 --> 00:35:06.075
some issues on it.
828
00:35:06.775 --> 00:35:08.915
The team tried to rectify it on pit lane,
829
00:35:09.055 --> 00:35:11.755
but the only thing you can do once you clear tech, um,
830
00:35:11.975 --> 00:35:14.195
on pit lane is a wing adjustment
831
00:35:14.195 --> 00:35:17.195
and tire pressures, um, taking a blowtorch
832
00:35:17.255 --> 00:35:20.515
and a knife is not allowed, um, as you would expect.
833
00:35:21.055 --> 00:35:23.995
And so the team chose to withdraw those two cars
834
00:35:24.815 --> 00:35:28.795
and as a result by um, the way
835
00:35:28.905 --> 00:35:31.195
that Indie 500 qualifying works
836
00:35:31.335 --> 00:35:33.955
and James, we were all in group texts talking about
837
00:35:33.955 --> 00:35:34.995
this blah blah, blah.
838
00:35:35.415 --> 00:35:39.605
And it is a valid point is unlike
839
00:35:39.715 --> 00:35:42.965
what Patto was saying, um, unlike what a lot
840
00:35:42.965 --> 00:35:44.125
of people on the internet was saying
841
00:35:44.125 --> 00:35:48.085
and unlike my initial opinion was, oh they need to,
842
00:35:48.225 --> 00:35:49.725
you know, they're not in the race.
843
00:35:49.795 --> 00:35:54.485
They need to go requalify, um, in the LCQ against the cars
844
00:35:54.485 --> 00:35:55.805
that are fighting to get in the race.
845
00:35:56.385 --> 00:35:59.685
But the difference is they were definitely locked
846
00:35:59.915 --> 00:36:01.045
into the race on Saturday.
847
00:36:01.075 --> 00:36:04.245
That is the whole purpose of Saturday is
848
00:36:04.265 --> 00:36:05.925
to lock in the first 30 cars.
849
00:36:06.545 --> 00:36:09.285
You then have four cars that fight their way into the field
850
00:36:09.285 --> 00:36:11.765
and then you've got the top 12 fighting their way for pull.
851
00:36:11.765 --> 00:36:15.165
But regardless of how the order of the top 12
852
00:36:16.305 --> 00:36:18.645
shakes out, those 12 cars are in the race.
853
00:36:18.805 --> 00:36:19.845
'cause they did their job on Saturday.
854
00:36:20.945 --> 00:36:25.005
And so the penalty that was, uh, initially seemed
855
00:36:25.025 --> 00:36:26.965
to be passed down and was passed down.
856
00:36:27.545 --> 00:36:30.485
Um, at least when we all went to bed on Sunday night was
857
00:36:30.555 --> 00:36:33.925
that, um, the, uh, two
858
00:36:33.925 --> 00:36:36.085
and the 12 were gonna start 11th to 12th.
859
00:36:36.195 --> 00:36:38.805
Obviously Scotty never got a chance
860
00:36:38.865 --> 00:36:40.685
to do anything 'cause his car was destroyed.
861
00:36:40.705 --> 00:36:42.765
So the Penske cars were gonna be filling row four
862
00:36:43.545 --> 00:36:45.965
and that made, that made some sense.
863
00:36:45.965 --> 00:36:49.285
There was some argument of, again, despite of what I said,
864
00:36:49.285 --> 00:36:51.765
some argument towards the contrary.
865
00:36:51.825 --> 00:36:54.405
And there's always, you know, some,
866
00:36:54.835 --> 00:36:57.445
there's always some truth to all of these sort
867
00:36:57.445 --> 00:36:58.445
of situations, right?
868
00:36:59.665 --> 00:37:01.965
Um, and you can then fast forward to Monday
869
00:37:02.585 --> 00:37:06.045
and the, the news comes out that they are sent to the two
870
00:37:06.045 --> 00:37:07.525
and the 12 are sent to the back.
871
00:37:07.985 --> 00:37:12.325
Um, because a, the, uh, the uh, three
872
00:37:13.215 --> 00:37:14.285
never went through tech
873
00:37:14.385 --> 00:37:17.525
and presumably they said, um, that they went
874
00:37:17.525 --> 00:37:19.445
and inspected that car after the crash
875
00:37:19.585 --> 00:37:22.725
and the modified device was not on the car.
876
00:37:22.725 --> 00:37:24.965
Whether that's true or not, it's pretty irrelevant
877
00:37:24.965 --> 00:37:27.445
because again, that car never even saw a tech bridge.
878
00:37:27.865 --> 00:37:30.925
Um, so it couldn't have failed because it didn't go through.
879
00:37:32.865 --> 00:37:35.205
I'm gonna let you talk in a minute. I'm just gonna ramble.
880
00:37:35.305 --> 00:37:36.765
I'm gonna get all my thoughts outta my head.
881
00:37:37.505 --> 00:37:41.645
Um, what I will say is the following,
882
00:37:43.025 --> 00:37:45.885
number one, I feel bad for the drivers
883
00:37:47.115 --> 00:37:52.005
because the drivers unlike whatever side you chose
884
00:37:52.025 --> 00:37:53.525
to take last year in March,
885
00:37:54.465 --> 00:37:55.965
the drivers had nothing to do with this.
886
00:37:57.525 --> 00:37:59.285
I highly doubt. Number two,
887
00:37:59.695 --> 00:38:01.005
there is a performance advantage.
888
00:38:01.615 --> 00:38:04.205
There might be, but that would surprise me.
889
00:38:05.845 --> 00:38:07.085
I feel bad for Roger
890
00:38:07.675 --> 00:38:08.925
because I,
891
00:38:09.885 --> 00:38:13.245
I can almost guarantee he certainly didn't have eyeballs on
892
00:38:13.355 --> 00:38:16.365
said decision to do whatever modification
893
00:38:16.465 --> 00:38:17.645
was to the Attenuator.
894
00:38:19.465 --> 00:38:24.005
And I feel bad because in this day
895
00:38:24.005 --> 00:38:26.445
and age, whether it's motor sports
896
00:38:26.505 --> 00:38:29.805
or not, optics are half of reality.
897
00:38:30.665 --> 00:38:32.645
And the problem that Roger has
898
00:38:33.495 --> 00:38:37.405
right now is there's an optics issue that
899
00:38:38.545 --> 00:38:39.995
there's a conflict of interest.
900
00:38:40.975 --> 00:38:43.715
And so all of the resulting decisions
901
00:38:43.715 --> 00:38:46.675
and drama that has unfolded is because of that.
902
00:38:46.775 --> 00:38:48.675
If this is CGR right?
903
00:38:49.065 --> 00:38:51.955
That has this issue, it's not really a, a thing.
904
00:38:51.985 --> 00:38:53.995
Like there might be a fine, there might be a penalty
905
00:38:54.135 --> 00:38:55.195
or whatever, but
906
00:38:55.195 --> 00:38:59.515
because this individual owns the speedway, a series
907
00:39:00.795 --> 00:39:02.435
arguably the best team and is in charge
908
00:39:02.435 --> 00:39:05.235
of the biggest race in the world, there's an optics issue.
909
00:39:05.535 --> 00:39:07.395
And the fact, the fact
910
00:39:07.395 --> 00:39:10.275
that it has happened twice in two years is a problem.
911
00:39:10.625 --> 00:39:12.275
Okay. Um,
912
00:39:13.255 --> 00:39:17.515
and the final thing that I will say on this topic,
913
00:39:17.885 --> 00:39:20.315
there has also been a lot of people that have reached out
914
00:39:20.375 --> 00:39:23.595
to me and Connor specifically about why are you guys not
915
00:39:23.595 --> 00:39:25.835
pissed off or are you guys pissed off
916
00:39:25.835 --> 00:39:28.515
or you should have been in the top 12 on
917
00:39:28.515 --> 00:39:29.675
Sunday and all this sort of thing.
918
00:39:29.795 --> 00:39:32.355
'cause those cars weren't legal. Okay?
919
00:39:32.815 --> 00:39:34.115
But no, not okay
920
00:39:34.115 --> 00:39:37.955
because for example, Connor's car failed tech on Saturday.
921
00:39:38.335 --> 00:39:41.435
And what does that mean? It means you time gets withdrawn,
922
00:39:41.575 --> 00:39:44.515
you've got however many hours are left in qualifying,
923
00:39:44.775 --> 00:39:46.995
you fix the problem and you go drive again.
924
00:39:47.295 --> 00:39:50.435
So this exact situation would happen to those two cars.
925
00:39:51.015 --> 00:39:53.435
Had they failed tech at some point on Saturday,
926
00:39:53.765 --> 00:39:55.235
their times would've been withdrawn.
927
00:39:55.345 --> 00:39:57.115
They would've rectified the issue
928
00:39:57.255 --> 00:39:58.515
and they would've gone out again.
929
00:39:58.575 --> 00:40:01.035
And presumably, I mean there's no guarantee you can crash,
930
00:40:01.055 --> 00:40:02.275
you can blow an engine or whatever,
931
00:40:02.295 --> 00:40:05.715
but presumably they would've still gotten into the top 12.
932
00:40:06.215 --> 00:40:10.955
So I didn't feel that I was, um, robbed of anything
933
00:40:10.955 --> 00:40:14.555
because ultimately in the way indie qualifying works,
934
00:40:14.585 --> 00:40:15.755
they could have attempted again.
935
00:40:15.935 --> 00:40:17.715
So those are my points on it all.
936
00:40:17.975 --> 00:40:20.275
I'd love, I can't wait for the discussion.
937
00:40:20.295 --> 00:40:21.475
I'd love to hear your thoughts, James.
938
00:40:22.385 --> 00:40:24.795
Okay. I've been making notes so that way we can compare.
939
00:40:24.865 --> 00:40:28.955
Okay. Start at the top drivers. I completely agree.
940
00:40:30.015 --> 00:40:31.915
The drivers had no knowledge of this.
941
00:40:32.575 --> 00:40:34.115
We don't know what our car builds are.
942
00:40:34.615 --> 00:40:36.115
We don't know what they're bolting on.
943
00:40:36.705 --> 00:40:37.835
This has nothing to do with
944
00:40:37.835 --> 00:40:40.395
drivers the performance advantage.
945
00:40:41.115 --> 00:40:44.555
I completely agree. It's one of those things that
946
00:40:46.665 --> 00:40:49.035
it's not, it's not a performance disadvantage.
947
00:40:49.465 --> 00:40:53.355
Okay? No. It was done to increase performance.
948
00:40:54.015 --> 00:40:57.915
The marginal gain that you, it's an immeasurable gain.
949
00:40:58.305 --> 00:40:59.795
What they did was one of those things
950
00:40:59.865 --> 00:41:02.195
that when you combine it with
951
00:41:02.825 --> 00:41:05.075
nine other small things,
952
00:41:07.765 --> 00:41:10.945
you have 10 things that together create some kind
953
00:41:10.945 --> 00:41:13.145
of meaningful advantage, right?
954
00:41:13.645 --> 00:41:16.145
In isolation. It's such a small piece.
955
00:41:16.825 --> 00:41:18.145
I really don't think it has any effect on
956
00:41:18.305 --> 00:41:22.025
anything to that point.
957
00:41:22.285 --> 00:41:23.705
And you didn't mention this, but
958
00:41:23.705 --> 00:41:27.265
because we're kind of on it, I'm just gonna say anybody that
959
00:41:27.965 --> 00:41:30.825
thinks that that piece was on the car last year,
960
00:41:32.185 --> 00:41:33.735
maybe it was, maybe it wasn't.
961
00:41:34.275 --> 00:41:36.215
Yes. We've all seen the pictures from the museum
962
00:41:36.435 --> 00:41:37.695
and it's on those cars.
963
00:41:38.755 --> 00:41:40.815
You don't know if that's the exact pieces
964
00:41:40.845 --> 00:41:42.855
that were on the car last year when it ran the
965
00:41:42.855 --> 00:41:43.855
Race.
966
00:41:43.855 --> 00:41:44.495
I mean there are actual pictures
967
00:41:44.495 --> 00:41:46.415
of the car at the yard of brakes with it. So
968
00:41:46.735 --> 00:41:47.735
Terrific.
969
00:41:47.735 --> 00:41:48.855
It was on the, it was on last year.
970
00:41:49.355 --> 00:41:51.295
We just both agreed it's not a
971
00:41:51.375 --> 00:41:52.855
meaningful difference in performance.
972
00:41:52.855 --> 00:41:56.095
No, sure. So do I think that it helped him win the race?
973
00:41:56.775 --> 00:41:59.295
I do not under any circumstances think
974
00:41:59.295 --> 00:42:00.655
that it helped him win the race last year.
975
00:42:01.045 --> 00:42:04.315
Okay. Was it not legal? No, it wasn't.
976
00:42:04.735 --> 00:42:08.075
So do you wanna argue that he won with an illegal car? Sure.
977
00:42:08.255 --> 00:42:10.755
You can argue that that's a, that's a valid argument.
978
00:42:11.135 --> 00:42:13.355
Do you wanna argue that the illegality
979
00:42:13.355 --> 00:42:15.275
of the car increased performance
980
00:42:15.275 --> 00:42:16.475
enough that it helped him win the race?
981
00:42:17.025 --> 00:42:18.355
I'll fight you to the grave on that one.
982
00:42:18.595 --> 00:42:20.315
'cause I just don't buy it. This has been an ongoing
983
00:42:20.315 --> 00:42:22.035
discussion since 2020.
984
00:42:22.635 --> 00:42:25.835
Hmm. This became a highlighted discussion in 2024. Hmm.
985
00:42:25.935 --> 00:42:29.275
And in my opinion, there have not been enough efforts made
986
00:42:29.375 --> 00:42:32.795
to mitigate the very blatant conflict of interest
987
00:42:32.825 --> 00:42:34.915
that exists in owning everything that he owns.
988
00:42:35.345 --> 00:42:36.345
He's choosing to do it.
989
00:42:37.335 --> 00:42:40.995
And can I I agree completely with what you're saying.
990
00:42:42.035 --> 00:42:43.515
I, when I said I feel bad for Roger,
991
00:42:43.995 --> 00:42:47.035
I was referencing the fact that this specific correct
992
00:42:47.515 --> 00:42:48.835
Situation, he did not know that was correct.
993
00:42:48.895 --> 00:42:51.075
He was not aware of it and green flagged
994
00:42:51.075 --> 00:42:52.155
it and that sort of thing.
995
00:42:52.215 --> 00:42:55.315
Yes. Sorry. This, this would've been a stunning phone call
996
00:42:55.315 --> 00:42:57.435
revelation to him that he then had to deal with.
997
00:42:57.455 --> 00:42:58.715
Yes. That was a complete surprise.
998
00:42:59.125 --> 00:43:00.275
Sorry. Okay. That's all I'm saying.
999
00:43:00.275 --> 00:43:01.595
So we're, we're on the same page there. Yes.
1000
00:43:02.055 --> 00:43:05.475
The irony is, is that in this already tenuous situation
1001
00:43:05.475 --> 00:43:07.235
that people have already had a lot of issue with,
1002
00:43:07.585 --> 00:43:09.635
it's his own people that are making his life <inaudible>
1003
00:43:09.705 --> 00:43:11.715
hell by doing the things that they're doing.
1004
00:43:11.715 --> 00:43:14.675
Correct? Yeah. The the irony is comical.
1005
00:43:14.895 --> 00:43:16.475
Yes. Completely.
1006
00:43:16.575 --> 00:43:17.035
I'm gonna leave that,
1007
00:43:17.415 --> 00:43:18.635
I'm gonna leave that there, I'm gonna leave that there.
1008
00:43:18.705 --> 00:43:19.755
That you have to believe
1009
00:43:19.755 --> 00:43:22.155
that this was a mandate from I agree.
1010
00:43:22.215 --> 00:43:26.755
The top, no from the top to penalize the cars to show
1011
00:43:27.185 --> 00:43:30.155
that there isn't a conflict of interest. So, but that's
1012
00:43:30.155 --> 00:43:31.475
What I'm so glad you said that
1013
00:43:31.745 --> 00:43:33.235
because that's what makes it worse.
1014
00:43:34.905 --> 00:43:36.105
I, okay. Yes.
1015
00:43:36.615 --> 00:43:38.305
Okay. So let's say, let's say the three didn't have it.
1016
00:43:38.305 --> 00:43:40.345
Fine. Okay, cool. Three didn't have it.
1017
00:43:41.205 --> 00:43:44.905
The rules, as you mentioned, the car passed the tech,
1018
00:43:44.965 --> 00:43:47.185
the cars passed the tech on Saturday mm-hmm .
1019
00:43:47.265 --> 00:43:50.505
When the timing official signs the official sheet mm-hmm .
1020
00:43:50.585 --> 00:43:51.705
The results are official.
1021
00:43:51.765 --> 00:43:54.865
The field is locked in from mm-hmm . One to 30 mm-hmm .
1022
00:43:54.945 --> 00:43:57.025
In terms of who's in the race. Mm-hmm . Okay.
1023
00:43:57.785 --> 00:43:59.785
13 to 30 start where they qualified one to 12,
1024
00:43:59.785 --> 00:44:01.905
gotta go fight it out tomorrow on, at
1025
00:44:01.905 --> 00:44:05.225
that point it is IndyCar's fault that they didn't find it.
1026
00:44:05.525 --> 00:44:06.905
It is not Penske's fault
1027
00:44:06.905 --> 00:44:09.105
that there was an illegal part on the car.
1028
00:44:09.205 --> 00:44:10.745
Mm-hmm. I mean it was,
1029
00:44:10.925 --> 00:44:13.705
but it's not, you're right As far as the order goes.
1030
00:44:13.805 --> 00:44:17.065
Yes. Yes.
So I'm in the minority that thought
1031
00:44:17.065 --> 00:44:18.705
that those cars should start 11th and 12th.
1032
00:44:20.385 --> 00:44:21.705
I wouldn't say you're in the minority.
1033
00:44:22.865 --> 00:44:25.385
I think, I think publicly. I think within the pad. Sure.
1034
00:44:25.385 --> 00:44:27.745
People maybe saw the, the, the, the relevance of that.
1035
00:44:27.905 --> 00:44:29.225
'cause we live this every day, right? Mm.
1036
00:44:29.375 --> 00:44:30.385
They got away with it.
1037
00:44:30.745 --> 00:44:31.765
I hate to say it that way,
1038
00:44:31.825 --> 00:44:33.965
but guys, everybody pushes the limits.
1039
00:44:34.025 --> 00:44:36.005
Oh, a hundred percent. If you wanna rip apart every
1040
00:44:36.035 --> 00:44:38.245
component on every car in that field
1041
00:44:38.705 --> 00:44:42.525
and try to hold it to within 0.01% tolerance
1042
00:44:42.525 --> 00:44:43.965
of the rules, they're all going on.
1043
00:44:43.965 --> 00:44:47.845
You could probably find something on every car that maybe
1044
00:44:47.845 --> 00:44:48.845
Not a coin car.
1045
00:44:49.945 --> 00:44:52.445
Who knows? . I'm just saying it's
1046
00:44:52.445 --> 00:44:53.445
Part of the story.
1047
00:44:53.445 --> 00:44:54.925
The, the only, the only truly legal car
1048
00:44:55.065 --> 00:44:56.085
is the one that went home.
1049
00:44:57.275 --> 00:44:58.685
It's the nature of the sport.
1050
00:44:59.385 --> 00:45:03.405
So, so here, so for me, Saturday qualifying was set
1051
00:45:04.225 --> 00:45:06.525
and when asked
1052
00:45:07.385 --> 00:45:09.885
why Jacob Abel was not now being considered
1053
00:45:09.885 --> 00:45:13.325
to be allowed into the race, the answer was the rule state
1054
00:45:13.325 --> 00:45:15.925
that on Saturday we set one through 30 in terms
1055
00:45:15.925 --> 00:45:19.475
of who's in the field yet Monday morning
1056
00:45:20.865 --> 00:45:23.515
they put those two cars to 32nd and 33rd.
1057
00:45:24.015 --> 00:45:26.035
So they broke the own, their own rule
1058
00:45:26.545 --> 00:45:29.115
that they said is the reason that Abel wasn't allowed
1059
00:45:29.115 --> 00:45:30.715
to be considered to be in the show.
1060
00:45:33.115 --> 00:45:37.085
Pick a lane. To me they overcompensated
1061
00:45:37.715 --> 00:45:40.365
because of the conflict of interest optics
1062
00:45:40.705 --> 00:45:42.045
and it actually looks worse.
1063
00:45:42.235 --> 00:45:43.245
They should have put their foot down
1064
00:45:43.245 --> 00:45:44.445
and said, no, these are the rules.
1065
00:45:44.945 --> 00:45:48.165
In a fair world where everything is the same for all people,
1066
00:45:48.415 --> 00:45:50.205
those cars should started 11 to 12.
1067
00:45:50.765 --> 00:45:52.485
I think that indie car tech needs more help.
1068
00:45:53.915 --> 00:45:55.645
That is a group of people that have a,
1069
00:45:55.645 --> 00:45:57.245
they have a very difficult job to do.
1070
00:45:58.465 --> 00:46:00.445
It is, I, I'm not saying they did wrong.
1071
00:46:00.625 --> 00:46:02.205
I'm not blaming anything on Indy car tech.
1072
00:46:02.425 --> 00:46:04.765
I'm saying that they are under resourced to do the job
1073
00:46:04.765 --> 00:46:07.325
that they have to do to keep everything on the level.
1074
00:46:07.785 --> 00:46:09.165
And that's why I don't blame them
1075
00:46:09.165 --> 00:46:10.165
for missing it on Saturday.
1076
00:46:11.345 --> 00:46:12.685
But it was found on Sunday.
1077
00:46:13.305 --> 00:46:15.525
And again, however it happened from
1078
00:46:15.525 --> 00:46:16.645
there, that's up for debate.
1079
00:46:16.805 --> 00:46:17.925
'cause there are different stories on how
1080
00:46:17.925 --> 00:46:19.165
it actually was all uncovered.
1081
00:46:19.945 --> 00:46:23.485
But IndyCar needs to invest in technology and resource
1082
00:46:23.485 --> 00:46:26.685
and people to make sure that tech, at least for the 500
1083
00:46:27.585 --> 00:46:31.205
is a more scientific, more equipped setup
1084
00:46:31.745 --> 00:46:33.845
to avoid situations like this.
1085
00:46:35.265 --> 00:46:37.925
Um, and then, yeah, I mean ultimately
1086
00:46:37.925 --> 00:46:39.525
what I wanna know is who actually caught it?
1087
00:46:39.525 --> 00:46:41.365
Because we heard three different stories from three
1088
00:46:41.365 --> 00:46:43.765
different people in terms of the car pass tech.
1089
00:46:43.765 --> 00:46:46.765
It didn't pass tech, the car, past tech,
1090
00:46:46.865 --> 00:46:49.005
but we were going to revisit it later.
1091
00:46:49.345 --> 00:46:51.845
At the end of the day, we have the setup
1092
00:46:52.105 --> 00:46:54.885
for what's gonna be I think a tremendously
1093
00:46:54.885 --> 00:46:57.005
entertaining Indie 500. Well,
1094
00:46:57.075 --> 00:46:59.325
It's gonna be, it's gonna be probably one of the best.
1095
00:47:00.045 --> 00:47:01.045
I don't want this.
1096
00:47:01.305 --> 00:47:04.685
Uh, we've talked about it, we did it on qualifying weekend.
1097
00:47:04.835 --> 00:47:06.685
This whole week is probably gonna be about that.
1098
00:47:06.745 --> 00:47:09.005
But at the end of the day, we're gonna wake up on Sunday.
1099
00:47:09.585 --> 00:47:12.005
The cannon's gonna go off at six's, gonna six degrees,
1100
00:47:12.005 --> 00:47:13.085
filing the race, race track.
1101
00:47:13.085 --> 00:47:14.085
Degrees. Degrees. It's gonna be
1102
00:47:14.355 --> 00:47:15.965
beautiful conditions for racing.
1103
00:47:16.225 --> 00:47:17.365
Bit chilly for people in the stands,
1104
00:47:17.545 --> 00:47:20.005
but be beautiful for action on the race track,
1105
00:47:20.015 --> 00:47:21.525
which is gonna benefit everybody.
1106
00:47:22.505 --> 00:47:24.765
The complete sellout, the free show.
1107
00:47:24.765 --> 00:47:28.005
That blackout we have planned is great. We have no blackout.
1108
00:47:29.265 --> 00:47:30.845
We have a rookie on pole.
1109
00:47:31.585 --> 00:47:32.605
We have a one-off,
1110
00:47:32.625 --> 00:47:34.725
two time winner on the front row. We have a
1111
00:47:34.725 --> 00:47:36.125
Two, we've got two of the best cars in the back.
1112
00:47:36.125 --> 00:47:37.565
Second place finisher, two time,
1113
00:47:37.565 --> 00:47:39.365
second place finisher on in the front row.
1114
00:47:39.365 --> 00:47:41.685
And third, we have two of the best cars in the back.
1115
00:47:42.105 --> 00:47:43.965
We have the guy that's gonna win starting 12th.
1116
00:47:44.505 --> 00:47:46.725
The guy that's gonna win qualified 14, starting 12th.
1117
00:47:47.905 --> 00:47:52.565
You know, it's guys, this is not the story of the race.
1118
00:47:52.875 --> 00:47:54.765
Okay? It was a story for a couple days.
1119
00:47:55.105 --> 00:47:57.045
And look, there are gonna be lingering effects of this
1120
00:47:57.045 --> 00:47:59.165
because there's a greater issue for sure.
1121
00:47:59.545 --> 00:48:03.525
But we can all agree that for the 24 hours that is
1122
00:48:04.505 --> 00:48:09.125
for 12:01 AM on Sunday, May 25th
1123
00:48:09.215 --> 00:48:13.245
until 11:59 PM on that same day, all
1124
00:48:13.245 --> 00:48:16.765
that matters is the 33 drivers that are gonna line up
1125
00:48:16.865 --> 00:48:19.685
and take the green flag for the 109th running
1126
00:48:19.705 --> 00:48:23.685
of the Indy 500 presented by Cambridge live on Fox
1127
00:48:24.565 --> 00:48:27.365
starting at 10:00 AM Guys, look, I'm stoked, Alex.
1128
00:48:27.645 --> 00:48:28.885
I know you're stoked, buddy.
1129
00:48:29.265 --> 00:48:31.805
We cannot wish you any more luck.
1130
00:48:32.505 --> 00:48:35.365
And uh, this is where I'm allowed to be unbiased
1131
00:48:35.565 --> 00:48:36.965
'cause I'm not wearing my hat Yeah.
1132
00:48:36.985 --> 00:48:40.725
In the booth. But kick some ass, have some fun. Enjoy it.
1133
00:48:40.725 --> 00:48:41.845
As always. It's gonna be,
1134
00:48:42.435 --> 00:48:43.805
It's gonna be, it's gonna be,
1135
00:48:43.805 --> 00:48:45.365
there's gonna be some pucker moments out there.
1136
00:48:45.365 --> 00:48:46.885
So I think I'm gonna bondo my butt
1137
00:48:46.885 --> 00:48:47.885
crack
.
1138
00:48:48.625 --> 00:48:51.485
Is that legal? All right.
1139
00:48:51.505 --> 00:48:53.405
Hey, let's just, uh, start a trend, Alex,
1140
00:48:53.425 --> 00:48:55.565
you'll win every sold out Indy 500.
1141
00:48:56.305 --> 00:48:57.965
That's my plan on one for one.
1142
00:48:59.715 --> 00:49:01.805
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1143
00:49:01.885 --> 00:49:05.165
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1144
00:49:05.585 --> 00:49:06.765
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00:49:06.765 --> 00:49:08.965
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