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This is off track.
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Yeah. It turns out you can drive
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through a gate if you drive fast enough.
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Gates. Yeah. Gates aren't that strong.
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When, when faced with a car at speed, you know,
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inertia is a hell of a thing. .
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So Tim, you had a fun night. So
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Yeah, I was in the middle of telling you guys about it.
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Uh, tried to get to bed early last night.
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Went to sleep when Hazel went to sleep.
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Thank you both for eating. Um, .
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Not cool story about,
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I woke up, I woke up, uh, to my windows rattling
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because a helicopter was very low over my apartment.
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And then I looked out the window
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and like five cop cars were tearing down the tiny ass road
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in my apartment complex.
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So I naturally thought the Russians were invading.
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Uh, it turns out the cops were chasing some people
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that I guess had done something
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and then in their like trying to flee, they stole a car
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and drove it through one of the gates
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of my apartment complex and then ditched the car.
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So for the next two hours there was LAPD overhead cop cars
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going through, circling off areas of the apartment.
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But Alex, you missed this
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'cause you're getting coffee at about one in the
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morning, one 30 I
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Heard.
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Yeah, the helicopter starts yelling out
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or on the megaphone, like, you know,
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we're releasing the canine unit.
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This is your last chance to surrender
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before the canine unit is out.
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And then they're like, the canine unit is loose.
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If you're apprehended by the canine unit, you know,
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we recommend you stop to avoid further injury.
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Those guys did not, uh, heed the lesson
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and they're both in the hospital with dog bites.
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So, um,
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Do you know what lesson I learned from this?
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What's that?
Dogs are awesome.
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You need thicker windows. ,
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I have like new windows.
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They're pretty good, but I also sleep with my windows open.
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So I think that was part of it.
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I mean, to be fair, a chopper hovering
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above your house on a megaphone that is designed
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to be loud enough to reach the ground so people can hear
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what you're, I don't think the windows are gonna make a huge
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difference in that case. Also,
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Like I didn't shut the windows.
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I was like here for the show.
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I was . Uh, yeah. You also texted your neighbors
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because you tried to get in on the show.
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Yeah, so there were a couple things.
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Um, the first one was, yeah, well we have like a group chat
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with all the neighbors and I live in a very
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large apartment complex.
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So like, it was happening in the other half,
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so I was texting with the guys who lived over there,
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but we got like a bulletin that was like,
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suspect is a white male and a black hoodie.
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So I was like, I'm definitely throwing on a black hoodie
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and taking Teddy for a walk just to see what's going on
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As you do.
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I was trying to convince the other neighbors
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who were on the other half who maybe had had a few drinks
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last night before they had gone to bed
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and were woken up by this,
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that they should go ask the police if they could pet the
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canine or if they could like pet the police dogs.
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Um, I have a question.
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Serious question about how this works logistically.
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What if you were just out walking Teddy,
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let's say you had been out at the bar and you got home
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and you're like, I'm gonna take Teddy, Teddy for a walk
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before I go to bed.
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How do the canines know
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which white guy in a black hoodie to go after?
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I feel like that's why they get on the megaphone
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and give you plenty of heads up of what's coming.
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You think dogs are going based on the color of the hoodie?
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James
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But I'm just saying that like they're not, they they,
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they probably don't have anything to like,
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give these dogs a scent of.
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'cause they haven't caught these guys yet. Otherwise
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How are they catching them?
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They're not just letting them go
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and whatever human they find first is what they're
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Attacking.
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But that's what I'm saying. Are they just waiting
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until they see a guy running in the opposite direction
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and then they say like, whatever the command is
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and it can't just be, how would they, what do I guess?
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I don't know. I don't know.
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I maybe it is like, hey, we, they surrounded an area.
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Go find anybody who's, who's
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outside in this area who cooperated.
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Like yeah, yeah.
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Know, no scent guys. Come on.
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I feel like, you know, you, you guys talk about how
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everybody talks about like their, their their silly belief
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that like, oh, I could lay on this plane
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or I could take a bar a fight.
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Yeah. I feel like if police dogs are
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after me, I could, I could calm him down.
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I'd be like, no, who's a
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Good boy?
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That's most insane . Like, that's almost as insane
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as you claiming that you could be an Olympic level
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curler in three months.
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Stand by it. I stand
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By that.
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I know you do and you still stand in the wrong
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part of this conversation. ,
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this is just not even, it's ridiculous.
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It reminds me of a, it reminds me of a funny story.
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So, so we're moving
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and yesterday we went to
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the new house to look at something
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and the previous owner was there.
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So we met the guy and we were just like, just chatting
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and catching up whatever.
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And we're like, oh, so where'd you, where'd you move to?
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And he moved to a different part of Indianapolis and um,
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and he was like, yeah, it's an adjustment.
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You know, it's definitely different. We were here
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for a while and now it's a totally different neighborhood.
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And he was like, you know, here you would check the ring cam
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and see a family
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of deer walking across the front yard in our new place.
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You check the ring cam
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and it's like, oh, we saw the shooting
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and oh, there's pit bulls fighting on our front lawn .
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I'm like, okay man, where'd you move?
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They moved to Connecticut.
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They're still in Indianapolis.
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But is there a tough way
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to say you're from Connecticut? No,
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Absolutely not.
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It's gotta be our least tough state, right?
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Delaware,
Rhode Island mania. I
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there's some blue collar parts of it.
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I feel like Maine is, I don't know, big Delaware.
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There's some backwoods people.
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Yeah. Maine not would say has some, has some tough people.
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Rhode Island. I think Alex was right. That one.
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That one's not that tough. I both are,
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But Connecticut's like bougie. Like, like
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It, yeah.
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That's just,
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but I'm from Hartford, man.
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Like that's not, you're not intimidating anybody. Stan
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Tino's from Connecticut.
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Oh, well now it's gonna feel like I was making a joke
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about that when I was literally just
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making fun of that state.
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Yeah. I'm not gonna retract it.
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No. I wonder how many listeners we have from Connecticut.
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I'm not saying they're bad.
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I'm just saying like, I wouldn't be dissuaded from fighting
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somebody if they're like, you don't wanna mess
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with me, man, I'm from Connecticut.
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I'd be like, Hmm. That's actually pushing it the other way.
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Like I'm feeling more confident going in doesn't
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Signal like a particularly rough
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upbringing.
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Like there's even parts
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that's lived in West Hollywood next to the Grove
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for the past 12 years.
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Man, I just told you about all the cops
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that were in my apartment complex twice yesterday.
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I'm from the main streets. Great
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Point.
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The mean streets of LA bro.
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Yeah, I um, I I was thinking about this the other day.
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Uh, 'cause I feel like we've talked about this
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and this is a travel podcast, so did we
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or did we not have a discussion?
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Breaking is over, isn't it?
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Oh, it's, yeah, no, this, we have a laundry list of things
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to talk about that have nothing to do with motorsports.
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But have we, did we
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or did we not talk about how on a flight, on the
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in flight entertainment thing, right?
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It should like only show you movies
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that you still have enough time to watch.
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No, I disagree. But you, you
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Like, you understand, I've, I've had this conversation
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with someone then, and like, it's a,
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it's a concept that makes sense.
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Like as you're getting closer to landing,
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let's say you're on a long flight.
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Let's say you're cross the Atlantic
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and you're on a long flight, so you watch one movie
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and then like, it's time to watch that second movie
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and you know, it could be a 90 minute, you know, whatever.
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Or it could be Oppenheimer
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and you're like, oh, I'm not gonna finish Oppenheimer,
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but like, you're an idiot.
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So you try and you're like, ah,
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maybe it was taxiing and stuff.
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It'll still, and so I've,
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I've heard someone say there should just be a thing
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where like, it just eliminates movies as the time goes down.
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You, you should have that option,
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but it shouldn't automatically do that.
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Now what it, now what some of 'em will do is you can,
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like on Delta ones, you can sign in on your account
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and you can pick up where you left off.
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Because what if it's your first of three flights that day
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and you're like, oh, I'm gonna watch like 40 minutes now
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and I'm gonna finish it on the next one.
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That's a good one. So you used to have the ability
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to pick up where you left off.
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Well, United had a good little trick,
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and I don't usually say much good about United,
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but it had a thing where like when I hit play on a movie,
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it popped up and said, Hey,
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you do not have enough time to finish this.
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And so then it's up to you. Right.
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So you're like, but it's like I went into it. No.
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'cause I knew it was on the edge and I went in
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and they were like, nah, you're not gonna finish this.
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And you know what they were right.
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Or you can be an adult with a functioning mind.
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And when it shows the description and the rating
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and it shows how long it is, you can be like, huh,
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it's two hours and 18 minutes.
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Mm-hmm . I have an hour and 20 minutes left. Mm-hmm .
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I'm not gonna finish it. Mm-hmm . That's also an
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Option.
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No, you could. Yeah. It is an option. Option. You
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Could, but who wants to live their life that way? Yeah.
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You know, that's a sad,
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sad cold existence that you're talking about. Alex,
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I really hope that your new house has better internet .
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Yeah. Well
We're watching all eight pixels of
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you
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It's all
Frozen and blotchy, so
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I don't get it.
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I The Internet's right there. It's right there. That's
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Not how
Internet works.
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I it's you're in a mood today. You're kind
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of grumpy. What's going on?
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I'm not grumpy. It's just, we're talking
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about ridiculous things.
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We were talking about really stupid things.
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Sorry that I got woken up
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by a police helicopter last night
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and wanted to discuss it with my friends.
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But now we're talking about the least tough states
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and how it's bull that airlines don't tell you
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how much time you have left in a flight
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for the mayor. You have
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Available to
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James, we should just apologize. What would you like
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to discuss, Alex?
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We'll, we'll we'll turn the conversation
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to you. What would, have
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You ever had one armpit That smells really bad.
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The other guess we won. Doesn't, we
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Won't.
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No, no.
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I had that issue. Sounds like a medical issue. I
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Know.
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I should probably get that looked at. Sorry. Do you
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Sweat on on one side?
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No, I, walking home from the track in Abu Dhabi.
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Did you forget to put early? I was very on both.
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Yeah. Oh, I don't think I've ever, could you imagine?
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I did. I did not put sunscreen on one arm once.
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Okay. As I put it out the arm,
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You put deodorant on one armpit.
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I just don't think I've ever, I don't know.
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I feel like that's such a, you
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Probably got a phone call
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a, it's such a good natural,
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Like, I don't know, ,
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What kind of, how do yours work? ?
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What kind of deodorant are
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I was more on the other one.
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Alex, how was your weekend
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Pal?
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Uh, my weekend was great, James. Um, I saw you. Yeah.
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Um, we, we all went out in a sun, no storm
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to, uh, celebrate yours and Connor's combined birthday.
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Mm-hmm . Which was a nice treat.
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Uh, we had a special guest show up in Won
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Patto Award, which is always entertaining for all involved.
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Um, and the day
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before that we, uh, popped downtown quickly
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to see friends who had a, had a, had a wedding.
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Um, they kind of did the, the courthouse wedding
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and then had a reception for their friends afterwards.
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Um, and those two things were significant
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'cause that was the first time that Kelly, uh,
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left the house in the nighttime without Ben.
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Um, so she got outta the house
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for the first time in seven months
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to do things like an adult.
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So that was, that
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Was cool because that was, that was her first
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two times. Like not
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Not putting him to bed.
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Putting him to bed, right. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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And how did it go? Was it like stressful?
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Was she freaking out? Was she she
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Was not freaking out.
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She did great itching to get home.
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She was a little annoyed that, uh, both, both
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of those nights he slept better than he has in a while.
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So she was a little
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Taking it personal. A
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Little pissed about that .
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Um, but
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no, it was a nice weekend.
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We, we had a good time as parents out on the town,
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so thanks for giving us a reason.
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They're Jimbo dude. Of
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Course.
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Thanks for, uh, thanks for those gin martinis.
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Those were delicious. Mm-hmm.
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Those
Were delicious. Um, uh, the, the funny,
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the funny part about, you know, as you say, the kind
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of unexpected gas paddle we had, uh, messaged him saying
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that, Hey, we're did I like go downtown tonight.
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And he said, oh man, I just landed back in Indy.
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I'm sitting on the, on the runway taxiing.
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We've been stuck here for 45 minutes.
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'cause again, that was the big day
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of the storm, like you were saying.
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Mm-hmm . And he says, yeah, I'm still, you know, I'm,
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and we're like, well, why don't you
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just come straight from the airport?
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Just, and he goes, I am pretty hungry.
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And so Patto just came off the plane, got a card,
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came straight to the restaurant for dinner,
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which I thought was a pretty, uh,
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pretty good move on his part.
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He just got home. Kid loves a
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Meal. Kid loves a
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Meal.
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Yeah. He does love a meal. He just got home from, um,
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filming his new Fox commercial, so he couldn't really like,
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give us details, but he said it was very
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Good.
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He said he was a garbage man, which is not the, uh,
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demographic I would've chosen for young potato, but
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Not, not sure profession.
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Yeah. I'm sure there's a, uh,
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there's some, some logic to it.
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There is, I'm sure I'm looking forward to seeing it. Um,
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Do I know what I'm looking forward to seeing?
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Oh wait,
The, so you know, IndyCar
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uh, released the schedule.
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Yes. Um, a couple months ago at this point.
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Yet we still have no idea like what time races are.
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Like, I'm looking forward to seeing that
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because it is very hard to, I don't know, plan your travel
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and scheduling, especially with a
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infant when you dunno when the race is.
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So I really don't understand what the delay is.
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Well, it's so they didn't,
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the broadcast schedule didn't come out, eh,
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it's just the like the date. Just
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The date, yeah.
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Oh, interesting. I don't think
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I actually really appreciated that. Yeah.
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It's very, very annoying.
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And you ask and they're like, we have no idea. So cool.
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Awesome. I'll just book two flight options then.
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Are you, are you like one of these guys
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that books the first like half of the season
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before the season starts
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and then the second half of the season?
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Like no, before May, but
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Like, no, but once we get through Christmas we are,
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we're two months out guys.
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You're in it. It's, you're deep in it. It's coming.
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So like I was booking flights to Sebring,
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which is like middle of February
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and booking flights to Phoenix, which is middle of February.
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And then I was like, whoa, <inaudible>
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10 days after that is St.
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Pete. So I might as well book that.
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And then I was like, well wait, I don't know what time
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I can leave Sunday because I
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have no idea what time the race is.
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And then I was like, well just,
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Just stay Sunday night.
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No, I won't do that. I have no interest in doing that.
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are, do you not, you don't fly your plane to that one.
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Is that too far? It's not
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Too far.
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It just doesn't, it is not a time saver.
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Oh right. 'cause you can get a direct
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to Tampa and so it's Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Good call. So if
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You fly, if had your own plane, you wouldn't, we only fly
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The, we only fly the PT putt when um,
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it is more efficient than commercial.
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That makes sense. That's
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what I've always liked about you and your piloting.
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I remember asking you this very early.
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I was like, do you do this for the sheer joy of piloting?
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Do you just love aviation and love flying
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and you're just at one with the plane
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and soaring through the beautiful crisp blue sky
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and the sun shining and some wispy clouds off in the
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distance and you're like, no time efficiency.
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Get me where I need to go as quickly as possible.
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Get me home as quickly as possible. Thank you very much.
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I respect that. Mm-hmm . I respect that. Um,
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Okay, so to appease Alex
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and wanting to talk about racing,
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there is racing stuff hopefully,
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since we haven't recorded it yet,
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the Tuesday episode will be with Doug Bulls
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and we'll have talked about the new officiating stuff going
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on in car, but in other racing news F one's returning
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to Portugal, Colton Herda just spent his first time in
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an F two car.
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Well we got some stuff we can talk about.
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We do, we do. Um, let's start with Colton.
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I have not spoken to him personally since the test.
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Alex, I don't know if you have
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I have not too scared to ask
.
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Yeah. On paper in some respects it didn't look awesome.
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Just, I'll just text him in the text in the sense of, um,
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what was he like 15th?
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I think on combined times
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for the two days, something like that.
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No lower than that. Okay.
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Look, wasn't the fastest car. That's fine.
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It's his first day in the car.
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The thing that I found both positive
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and negative, there's a double-edged sword in this story,
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which was he was ahead of his teammate who's like a fairly
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rated driver, had some, got a good CV and,
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and so good that he's ahead of his teammate.
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Mm-hmm . Why are, why is the team so slow? . Mm-hmm .
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Look, maybe this was not a, uh, go out
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and set super fast lap times kind of thing.
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Days you think he'd want to test? Yeah.
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Some qualifying stuff. Maybe, maybe not. I don't know.
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You gotta practice race runs you, first of all,
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you gotta get comfortable in the car.
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So Colin's never been in the car.
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He is gotta get comfortable with the car,
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he's gotta figure the thing out.
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That takes a day, right?
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You're not just gonna like the morning gets you
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physically comfortable in the car.
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Probably adjusting seats and pads
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and pedals and stuff like that.
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The afternoon you start
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to get comfortable in the driving of the car.
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But then as we've always talked about, right,
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you sleep on it overnight
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and what kind of takes so much mental thought
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on day one just kind of happens by second nature on day two.
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Once you marinate it overnight, you can get in the car
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and do everything you were doing the day before
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but with 20% capacity left over to look at the finer points.
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So then at that point, you know, you do have to go
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through a bunch of setup changes
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and start building up Colton's database of
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what a spring change feels like,
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what the wing change feels like, what toes and cams
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and tire pressures, changes, feel like
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you've gotta do long runs.
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You've gotta figure out what a race distance is.
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They don't pay points in qualifying.
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They pay points in the race. So there is some logic
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to like not just focusing on single lap pace.
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The other side of it is achieving single lap pace in an F
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two car is quite challenging because the tire is so peaky
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and it is like kind of one lap
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and like push cool push cool push session done.
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So you do have to learn how to do that.
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Um, but Alex just thinks he's slow. So
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I didn't say that , um, I don't think Colton is slow.
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I think he, you brought up a very good point.
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So his teammate I think
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was either a super formula champion or vice champion
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or something, uh, obvious.
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I obviously in an open wheel car
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and was a step behind Colton.
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Um, and let's, let's say
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the theory turns out to be true,
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which again, we've talked about testing
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at length at this podcast.
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You can't read into it, but you,
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you can infer some things.
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So if the team turns out to not be
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what they were expecting, what do you do?
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Because ultimately there's no
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other seats in F two available.
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And what's wild about all of this is right
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around the same time this Abi Dhabi test was happening,
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the FIA has awarded much more points
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to IndyCar than previously given in years past.
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Now, is there the potential that Cadillac
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and the hers, et cetera could
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petition the FIA
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and be like, Hey, based on this
511
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that came out in 2025, I already have my
512
00:20:28.865 --> 00:20:30.145
qualifications to get a super license.
513
00:20:30.645 --> 00:20:34.535
And do you pull the ripcord on this? Like, is that even a
514
00:20:34.775 --> 00:20:35.775
Consideration?
515
00:20:35.775 --> 00:20:37.175
And do what? Go back to IndyCar. I mean his seats go, sure,
516
00:20:38.045 --> 00:20:39.045
Okay.
517
00:20:39.255 --> 00:20:40.305
They can run four cars.
518
00:20:41.405 --> 00:20:45.265
My point is, if, if they
519
00:20:45.405 --> 00:20:47.645
as a group come to the conclusion,
520
00:20:47.825 --> 00:20:51.845
and again this is all, we are all making assumptions here.
521
00:20:52.105 --> 00:20:53.285
If they come to the conclusion
522
00:20:53.675 --> 00:20:56.765
that Holy <inaudible> I'm gonna finish 18th next year.
523
00:20:57.395 --> 00:21:00.165
Like why would you expose yourself to that? Okay,
524
00:21:00.665 --> 00:21:03.485
So high tech finished second in the team championship
525
00:21:03.945 --> 00:21:04.965
in F two this year.
526
00:21:05.475 --> 00:21:08.485
Okay. So I don't think the team's bad and I don't think
527
00:21:08.535 --> 00:21:10.925
after one two day test you pull the rip record
528
00:21:11.225 --> 00:21:12.405
in that kind of panic fashion.
529
00:21:13.205 --> 00:21:15.525
A large part of what he's doing over there is learning
530
00:21:15.525 --> 00:21:17.405
tracks, learning culture, learning cadence
531
00:21:17.405 --> 00:21:18.725
of the weekends, all those things.
532
00:21:18.725 --> 00:21:20.205
Mm-hmm being available for fp ones
533
00:21:20.205 --> 00:21:21.525
and sim work and yada yada yada.
534
00:21:21.545 --> 00:21:23.925
So we've, we've said from the get go,
535
00:21:23.925 --> 00:21:27.285
we don't really believe that Colton's finishing position in
536
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F two is going to be the deciding factor on his eligibility
537
00:21:31.725 --> 00:21:34.085
for an F1 ride, you know, from the team's perspective.
538
00:21:34.825 --> 00:21:37.685
Um, so no, I think,
539
00:21:37.805 --> 00:21:38.685
I think you say the course look
540
00:21:39.025 --> 00:21:40.005
one test man, that's one test.
541
00:21:40.105 --> 00:21:41.485
I'm sure there's, I'm sure there's a lot
542
00:21:41.555 --> 00:21:43.965
that we don't know about what happened and why
543
00:21:44.025 --> 00:21:46.405
and as long as Colin's happy with the, the team
544
00:21:46.405 --> 00:21:48.125
and the progress and whatever, then off you go.
545
00:21:51.685 --> 00:21:54.285
Portugal, as you said is back on the F1 calendar.
546
00:21:54.345 --> 00:21:57.165
Did you have a race port in Mount Alex? Yes. In World
547
00:21:57.165 --> 00:21:58.285
Series. Oh nice.
548
00:21:58.285 --> 00:21:59.445
That'd be a fun card. That track.
549
00:22:00.035 --> 00:22:02.085
Sure. I was
Is do you like it?
550
00:22:02.325 --> 00:22:04.485
I won.
Doesn't actually always
551
00:22:04.955 --> 00:22:06.525
correlate with liking it. Yeah,
552
00:22:06.825 --> 00:22:07.825
It was cool.
553
00:22:07.825 --> 00:22:08.285
Okay.
554
00:22:08.825 --> 00:22:10.565
It comes at the cost of Zan Vort,
555
00:22:10.565 --> 00:22:12.525
which I don't Great atmosphere.
556
00:22:12.705 --> 00:22:14.085
Not a great racetrack for F1.
557
00:22:14.425 --> 00:22:19.045
No there's not, there's quite a few of those though. Tim,
558
00:22:19.045 --> 00:22:20.245
You can just say that to me.
559
00:22:21.445 --> 00:22:23.725
I was
Figuring it'd be more successful if I texted it
560
00:22:23.725 --> 00:22:24.965
and we didn't have to make a thing out of it,
561
00:22:24.985 --> 00:22:26.125
but that clearly didn't work.
562
00:22:26.505 --> 00:22:28.365
I'm just saying stop on the popcorn chips.
563
00:22:29.625 --> 00:22:31.965
so good though.
You're so good Tim.
564
00:22:33.285 --> 00:22:34.125
I haven't eaten on this podcast
565
00:22:34.225 --> 00:22:35.445
in a long time. I felt like I had to do that.
566
00:22:35.535 --> 00:22:38.525
Tim's just a Debbie downer. What from you?
567
00:22:40.225 --> 00:22:41.845
I'm sorry Pod have you met Kettle ?
568
00:22:42.685 --> 00:22:44.965
I don't mind if he eats popcorn chips.
569
00:22:45.515 --> 00:22:49.365
Yeah, but you're donor about everything else, like
570
00:22:49.365 --> 00:22:51.725
what your name is.
571
00:22:51.725 --> 00:22:51.965
Hello .
572
00:22:57.645 --> 00:22:58.645
I said hello .
573
00:23:02.075 --> 00:23:03.605
True. It
Could have been worse.
574
00:23:04.015 --> 00:23:05.645
Could have been a lot worse.
Yeah.
575
00:23:05.875 --> 00:23:09.965
Anyways, um, lot of, lot of tracks in F1.
576
00:23:10.985 --> 00:23:14.755
Um, I are cool tracks
577
00:23:15.655 --> 00:23:16.675
not great races.
578
00:23:17.875 --> 00:23:20.715
I feel like that's true when you have as many events
579
00:23:20.775 --> 00:23:23.475
as F1 does though, like adding a track to the calendar
580
00:23:23.615 --> 00:23:24.675
or a track returning
581
00:23:24.675 --> 00:23:26.795
to the calendar is just not, it's not interesting.
582
00:23:26.795 --> 00:23:28.795
Whereas if that happens in IndyCar, it's like,
583
00:23:28.795 --> 00:23:30.235
it's pretty, it's exciting.
584
00:23:30.855 --> 00:23:32.795
You know, it's something new,
585
00:23:32.795 --> 00:23:34.555
something different in F1 it's like,
586
00:23:34.985 --> 00:23:36.075
wait, we don't race there.
587
00:23:36.105 --> 00:23:38.475
Like it's just, there's so many tracks that it's like okay.
588
00:23:39.055 --> 00:23:40.475
And they also used to race there.
589
00:23:40.665 --> 00:23:43.115
Like they raced there in 21 I think was the last time.
590
00:23:43.115 --> 00:23:44.835
Right, right. It's not so it's not even like it's,
591
00:23:44.835 --> 00:23:47.365
it's like they've got that Mad Street race coming.
592
00:23:47.645 --> 00:23:49.405
I think people are pretty excited about that. That
593
00:23:49.405 --> 00:23:50.685
Is exciting because
It's something different.
594
00:23:50.905 --> 00:23:52.805
Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm Just funny
595
00:23:52.805 --> 00:23:56.165
that Tim clearly googled new Motorsport news.
596
00:23:57.305 --> 00:23:59.445
No, I did significantly less than that.
597
00:23:59.765 --> 00:24:02.325
I just opened Twitter and those were the things that I
598
00:24:02.465 --> 00:24:03.465
saw
.
599
00:24:04.075 --> 00:24:07.285
Cool. So while Tim brought up F1, there's something
600
00:24:07.285 --> 00:24:09.125
that I'm curious about 'cause we haven't really talked about
601
00:24:09.125 --> 00:24:10.725
this, uh, since the season ended,
602
00:24:11.265 --> 00:24:14.015
but big depth
603
00:24:14.075 --> 00:24:16.495
of talent in the rookie field in F1 this year.
604
00:24:16.865 --> 00:24:20.735
We'll be curious on who your rookie of the year is between
605
00:24:21.965 --> 00:24:26.575
Hija, Bearman, Antonelli, BTO Lawson,
606
00:24:27.525 --> 00:24:28.625
and I guess, I mean,
607
00:24:28.865 --> 00:24:29.745
I don't think Kop Pento
608
00:24:29.745 --> 00:24:31.145
counts actually. I think he did too many races.
609
00:24:31.845 --> 00:24:34.785
Um, Bearman by a mile
610
00:24:36.075 --> 00:24:37.075
Inter.
611
00:24:37.075 --> 00:24:41.025
Okay. That is also mine, but I wouldn't have said by a mile.
612
00:24:41.165 --> 00:24:42.545
So why? Okay.
613
00:24:43.445 --> 00:24:48.085
Um, well I think the,
614
00:24:48.225 --> 00:24:53.015
the next, the next one you go to is Isaac or
615
00:24:53.015 --> 00:24:54.575
however the hell you say his name.
616
00:24:55.005 --> 00:24:57.855
Isac. Yeah. Um,
But then it, when I think about him
617
00:24:57.915 --> 00:25:01.935
and it's like, well the racing bull is pretty good, clearly.
618
00:25:02.155 --> 00:25:03.695
Um, clearly right,
619
00:25:03.695 --> 00:25:06.935
because anyone that looks good in the racing bowl that goes
620
00:25:06.995 --> 00:25:09.975
to the A team gets absolutely smoked.
621
00:25:09.995 --> 00:25:12.575
And it's not even that they get smoked by Max, it's
622
00:25:12.575 --> 00:25:13.935
that they're worse than they were
623
00:25:15.075 --> 00:25:16.975
in the racing bowl in the previous team in the racing bowl.
624
00:25:16.995 --> 00:25:21.455
Yes. So the fact that he, you know, had
625
00:25:21.455 --> 00:25:23.135
as many top sixes
626
00:25:23.135 --> 00:25:26.415
and top tens as he did is not a wow factor for me.
627
00:25:26.515 --> 00:25:27.815
Um, he's clearly very good
628
00:25:27.835 --> 00:25:30.015
and I think he will be, it'll be interesting
629
00:25:30.015 --> 00:25:31.375
to see how he does next year.
630
00:25:32.595 --> 00:25:36.315
Um, Kimmy uh, he's in a Mercedes
631
00:25:37.535 --> 00:25:38.955
and so the fact
632
00:25:38.955 --> 00:25:41.835
that he got a couple podiums throughout the year is like,
633
00:25:41.835 --> 00:25:43.235
okay, you're in a Mercedes.
634
00:25:43.495 --> 00:25:46.595
He also got pretty, pretty smoked by George.
635
00:25:47.575 --> 00:25:49.635
Um, K Pinto doesn't even register
636
00:25:49.775 --> 00:25:50.835
for me in that conversation.
637
00:25:50.835 --> 00:25:54.155
Neither does tto. Um, so here we are at,
638
00:25:54.155 --> 00:25:55.195
Neither does tto.
639
00:25:55.255 --> 00:25:56.475
Why not Punto,
640
00:25:57.875 --> 00:26:00.575
he tied Holgenburg in qualifying,
641
00:26:00.785 --> 00:26:04.055
which Holgenburg buried Magnuson in qualifying was kind
642
00:26:04.055 --> 00:26:05.855
of seen as like a Saturday specialist.
643
00:26:06.325 --> 00:26:09.615
Yeah. He had, I don't know if it was four
644
00:26:09.615 --> 00:26:11.055
or five Q3 appearances,
645
00:26:11.875 --> 00:26:15.615
scored points every time he was in Q3 scored points another
646
00:26:15.615 --> 00:26:16.615
time when he wasn't.
647
00:26:17.195 --> 00:26:20.935
Um, he just took a guy in Nico who was very highly rated
648
00:26:20.935 --> 00:26:23.455
after last year and you know, was picked up by Audi
649
00:26:23.515 --> 00:26:25.655
to be the, the future and, and the face
650
00:26:25.675 --> 00:26:27.735
and the front man of that new team.
651
00:26:28.555 --> 00:26:32.095
And as his first year in like a, in an underperforming car,
652
00:26:32.595 --> 00:26:34.415
the worst car, well that's not fair.
653
00:26:34.415 --> 00:26:36.735
The LPs worst car, um, they finished ninth.
654
00:26:37.355 --> 00:26:40.655
Um, he had no TPC program.
655
00:26:40.915 --> 00:26:44.045
He didn't come into this year like Ptri did
656
00:26:44.105 --> 00:26:47.325
or like Antonelli did with, you know, gobs of miles.
657
00:26:48.065 --> 00:26:50.565
Um, I don't think he'd ever driven to sour
658
00:26:50.565 --> 00:26:53.245
before the open test at the start of the year.
659
00:26:53.245 --> 00:26:55.005
Okay. They'd done some fp ones in a,
660
00:26:55.425 --> 00:26:56.605
in a McLaren the year before.
661
00:26:56.745 --> 00:27:00.285
But, um, that seems like a pretty,
662
00:27:00.625 --> 00:27:03.245
pretty not terrible run.
663
00:27:03.715 --> 00:27:06.085
Well James, clearly you
664
00:27:06.995 --> 00:27:09.365
because you're paid to, um,
665
00:27:09.475 --> 00:27:11.325
paid a little bit more attention to those.
666
00:27:11.445 --> 00:27:14.005
I follow this a little closer, 12th and below.
667
00:27:14.345 --> 00:27:17.725
Um, so I, I did not know most of those things
668
00:27:17.725 --> 00:27:21.325
because like Alpine, as you mentioned, saber was not really
669
00:27:22.485 --> 00:27:26.445
involved in anything positive except for I guess a couple
670
00:27:26.505 --> 00:27:29.485
of Q3 appearances, um, throughout the year.
671
00:27:30.955 --> 00:27:34.675
What the reason I go to, to Beerman is
672
00:27:34.675 --> 00:27:39.355
because, you know, when he,
673
00:27:39.905 --> 00:27:44.765
when he filled in for Carlos, um, at Ferrari, he,
674
00:27:44.825 --> 00:27:45.845
he did a really good job.
675
00:27:46.625 --> 00:27:50.245
And so there was this, this
676
00:27:51.195 --> 00:27:55.045
expectation from him that he is, he's kind of one of the,
677
00:27:55.265 --> 00:27:57.725
the elites and, and the star of the future sort of thing.
678
00:27:59.065 --> 00:28:02.925
And his time at Haas didn't start out particularly good.
679
00:28:03.425 --> 00:28:08.165
Um, his, he he made quite a few rookie mistakes,
680
00:28:08.255 --> 00:28:10.325
which I don't hold that against him,
681
00:28:10.905 --> 00:28:14.245
but honestly wasn't doing anything of any sort of
682
00:28:15.435 --> 00:28:16.765
spectacular fashion.
683
00:28:16.995 --> 00:28:21.495
Whereas I think with the expectation
684
00:28:21.495 --> 00:28:23.895
that people had from him that was missing.
685
00:28:24.715 --> 00:28:28.945
And then we got to the last
686
00:28:29.675 --> 00:28:32.305
third of the year, last half of the year,
687
00:28:32.505 --> 00:28:36.505
whatever you wanna call it, and all of a sudden this kid was
688
00:28:37.535 --> 00:28:39.385
leading rounds of qualifying.
689
00:28:40.245 --> 00:28:44.425
He was qualifying, he was making Q3 every single weekend.
690
00:28:45.445 --> 00:28:48.985
He at one point had four consecutive points finishes
691
00:28:48.985 --> 00:28:50.345
for Haass, which was the most amount
692
00:28:50.345 --> 00:28:52.225
of consecutive points, finishes Hass had ever had.
693
00:28:53.285 --> 00:28:56.025
The only reason he didn't have five. Oh he was five.
694
00:28:56.325 --> 00:28:57.345
He was five. So the only, only reason,
695
00:28:57.565 --> 00:28:58.985
the only reason he didn't have six is
696
00:28:59.105 --> 00:29:01.305
'cause his car actually failed I think in Brazil.
697
00:29:02.445 --> 00:29:07.345
Um, he was making Ocon completely reconsider his
698
00:29:07.345 --> 00:29:09.625
life choices in the latter part of the year
699
00:29:10.205 --> 00:29:12.465
and was like, I forgot how to drive a race car
700
00:29:12.895 --> 00:29:15.065
because the disparity was so large
701
00:29:15.685 --> 00:29:18.745
and it came off the back of a, a rocky start to the season
702
00:29:18.795 --> 00:29:20.745
where all of this expectation was there.
703
00:29:20.965 --> 00:29:23.305
And then he at as a teenager
704
00:29:24.525 --> 00:29:27.545
had the mental capacity to kind of block that out
705
00:29:27.685 --> 00:29:29.865
and not overcompensate from it
706
00:29:29.965 --> 00:29:32.865
and just fall back into, again, outside looking in,
707
00:29:32.975 --> 00:29:35.265
fall back into what he knew how to do.
708
00:29:35.805 --> 00:29:37.465
And it immediately produced results.
709
00:29:38.445 --> 00:29:43.045
And I think that the Haas is, is obviously a decent car,
710
00:29:43.705 --> 00:29:44.805
but it's not a good car.
711
00:29:45.625 --> 00:29:48.045
And he was, like I said, the,
712
00:29:48.045 --> 00:29:49.725
what blew me away was there was, there was,
713
00:29:49.815 --> 00:29:53.055
there was a couple qualifying sessions towards the end
714
00:29:53.055 --> 00:29:54.735
of the year where heat was quickest in Q1.
715
00:29:54.955 --> 00:29:58.655
Mm-hmm and like that's not just sneaking in to Q3
716
00:29:58.655 --> 00:29:59.695
because people crash
717
00:29:59.755 --> 00:30:02.015
or people have problems that's showing legitimate pace
718
00:30:03.035 --> 00:30:04.575
and he was doing
719
00:30:04.575 --> 00:30:07.375
that when his teammate was not even making it out of Q1.
720
00:30:07.435 --> 00:30:11.705
So those are the reasons why, um, I was super impressed
721
00:30:11.705 --> 00:30:15.905
with him and maybe I should have given um,
722
00:30:17.125 --> 00:30:18.785
BTO a better look but I didn't.
723
00:30:18.925 --> 00:30:21.105
So that is how I come up to my decision.
724
00:30:21.785 --> 00:30:22.985
I think you still picked the right guy.
725
00:30:23.225 --> 00:30:25.545
I mean I, um, I do, I do agree.
726
00:30:25.565 --> 00:30:29.265
He, for me was was that uh, was rookie of the year
727
00:30:29.265 --> 00:30:30.665
for a lot of those exact same reasons.
728
00:30:30.765 --> 00:30:31.785
You know, you, you,
729
00:30:31.785 --> 00:30:35.225
You
The other kind of obvious one, like when you talk
730
00:30:35.225 --> 00:30:36.985
to other people in the paddock, HADR was sort
731
00:30:36.985 --> 00:30:38.305
of the other popular answer to that.
732
00:30:38.365 --> 00:30:39.825
And again, that's not a shot at Kimmy,
733
00:30:39.825 --> 00:30:41.865
it's not a shot at Gabby, it's just you kinda looked at
734
00:30:41.865 --> 00:30:43.505
their relative to performances
735
00:30:43.805 --> 00:30:44.865
and those were kind
736
00:30:44.865 --> 00:30:46.345
of the two guys that stood out a bit more.
737
00:30:47.125 --> 00:30:50.385
And the thing for me about Hija is kinda like you said like
738
00:30:50.385 --> 00:30:51.945
that racing bulls car's clearly pretty good.
739
00:30:52.765 --> 00:30:55.505
And who was he ever really up against?
740
00:30:55.655 --> 00:30:58.025
Because he had Yuki for the first two races
741
00:30:58.025 --> 00:30:59.305
and Yuki buried 'em, but he should have,
742
00:30:59.385 --> 00:31:02.105
'cause it was his first two races then you had Lawson.
743
00:31:02.485 --> 00:31:04.985
Lawson they didn't think was good enough to be at Red Bull
744
00:31:05.285 --> 00:31:08.105
and took a couple races to kind of find his groove. It
745
00:31:08.105 --> 00:31:09.545
Was clear he wasn't like it was,
746
00:31:09.775 --> 00:31:12.065
that was probably the worst Red Bull experiment,
747
00:31:12.595 --> 00:31:13.595
Right?
748
00:31:13.595 --> 00:31:18.105
So it out qualifying him and like,
749
00:31:18.105 --> 00:31:20.665
and like Lawson and once he kind of found his footing at
750
00:31:20.665 --> 00:31:22.625
that team again the last say quarter of the season,
751
00:31:23.325 --> 00:31:25.345
he was getting up into q threes as well
752
00:31:25.485 --> 00:31:26.705
and he was fighting for points.
753
00:31:26.805 --> 00:31:30.315
And so is was, was Lawson just kind of
754
00:31:31.245 --> 00:31:34.235
underrated and in a bad place in Red Bull And he is actually
755
00:31:34.235 --> 00:31:35.915
pretty good if you think that hijas that good
756
00:31:35.935 --> 00:31:39.275
or do we just not really know what Hijas true level is
757
00:31:39.505 --> 00:31:42.435
because he hasn't really been put side by side
758
00:31:42.435 --> 00:31:43.835
with somebody in the same car.
759
00:31:44.375 --> 00:31:46.555
That's what is gonna be interesting about next year.
760
00:31:46.975 --> 00:31:48.915
And you know, maybe I'll look back on this
761
00:31:48.915 --> 00:31:51.275
and be like, nope, had Jar's just absolutely incredible
762
00:31:51.275 --> 00:31:52.355
because he is the closest guy
763
00:31:52.355 --> 00:31:53.635
to Max ever and blah blah blah.
764
00:31:54.175 --> 00:31:56.995
But then on the bearman side, like you say, you've got a,
765
00:31:57.075 --> 00:32:00.755
a car that was not as consistently as quick as a racing pole
766
00:32:01.375 --> 00:32:04.515
and you were up against a race winner, right?
767
00:32:04.635 --> 00:32:06.355
I mean like Ocon a Grand Prix winner.
768
00:32:06.455 --> 00:32:09.515
He finished on the podium last year in an alpine in the wet.
769
00:32:09.515 --> 00:32:11.315
Like he's a shoe, he knows how to get it done
770
00:32:12.015 --> 00:32:13.195
and Ollie came in
771
00:32:13.195 --> 00:32:14.875
and once, yes, he got some
772
00:32:14.875 --> 00:32:16.155
of those rookie mistakes outta the way
773
00:32:16.695 --> 00:32:18.315
was just leading the program
774
00:32:18.735 --> 00:32:21.195
and could take the car to a place where,
775
00:32:22.075 --> 00:32:23.715
I mean I think a couple times it probably shouldn't have
776
00:32:23.715 --> 00:32:25.915
been even when he was complaining of issues.
777
00:32:25.985 --> 00:32:27.475
It's not like he's like, damn the car's magical
778
00:32:27.935 --> 00:32:30.515
and then you know, he's up there sometimes he's like,
779
00:32:30.515 --> 00:32:31.995
yeah this is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong.
780
00:32:31.995 --> 00:32:34.035
And he was still pulling off Q threes, you know.
781
00:32:34.255 --> 00:32:38.315
So, um, for me there's, there's a lot of potential in
782
00:32:38.315 --> 00:32:40.915
that kid and I think everyone's
783
00:32:40.915 --> 00:32:42.035
sort of thinking the same thing, right?
784
00:32:42.035 --> 00:32:43.515
As soon as Lewis hangs up his helmet,
785
00:32:43.995 --> 00:32:46.875
I think there's a pretty natural progression there
786
00:32:47.215 --> 00:32:48.515
and uh, it's gonna
787
00:32:48.515 --> 00:32:49.515
Be cool.
788
00:32:49.515 --> 00:32:51.835
Well I think, I think, I don't think it's out of the realm
789
00:32:51.835 --> 00:32:53.915
of possibility that there's two seats at Ferrari
790
00:32:54.425 --> 00:32:55.835
open at the end of next year.
791
00:32:56.895 --> 00:32:59.955
You think, you think Shar will bail a if it's bad
792
00:33:01.515 --> 00:33:04.035
W wouldn't you
For sure.
793
00:33:04.305 --> 00:33:07.075
It's just right. He's, and maybe he's just saying it
794
00:33:07.155 --> 00:33:08.395
'cause that's what you say, but like the number
795
00:33:08.395 --> 00:33:09.515
of times he's been like, I want,
796
00:33:09.515 --> 00:33:11.915
like I only wanna win a world championship with Ferrari
797
00:33:11.915 --> 00:33:13.475
and I wanna bring this team back. Of course everyone
798
00:33:13.665 --> 00:33:14.665
Does.
799
00:33:14.665 --> 00:33:17.315
Every race car driver has a dream of driving a Ferrari
800
00:33:17.315 --> 00:33:19.235
and being successful with them at some point.
801
00:33:19.295 --> 00:33:21.195
But it also like time is ticking
802
00:33:21.575 --> 00:33:22.955
and it ain't getting better for him
803
00:33:23.015 --> 00:33:25.955
and he is without a doubt like one of the one percenters.
804
00:33:26.495 --> 00:33:27.995
So like why is he wasting his time?
805
00:33:28.355 --> 00:33:32.935
I, I saw this thing, um, that was at the end
806
00:33:32.955 --> 00:33:35.815
of 2019, like Max
807
00:33:35.875 --> 00:33:39.015
and Char both had two Grand Prix victories
808
00:33:39.015 --> 00:33:40.295
to their name or something like that.
809
00:33:41.515 --> 00:33:45.055
And at the end of 2025 Charla's eight
810
00:33:45.595 --> 00:33:49.575
and Max has 71 . Dude.
811
00:33:50.365 --> 00:33:52.135
Exactly.
It's a tough dude.
812
00:33:52.495 --> 00:33:53.815
Char just did his fourth
813
00:33:53.995 --> 00:33:55.775
of seven seasons at Ferrari
814
00:33:56.525 --> 00:33:59.035
without a win. Think about that.
815
00:33:59.215 --> 00:34:00.915
That's
Like the team leader
816
00:34:00.915 --> 00:34:01.915
Ain't, that ain't his problem.
817
00:34:03.525 --> 00:34:05.265
It ain't him. Mm-hmm.
818
00:34:05.685 --> 00:34:08.265
It and I would just, it makes me wonder so much, right?
819
00:34:08.385 --> 00:34:12.185
'cause he is got this like the, the most disjointed poll
820
00:34:12.325 --> 00:34:14.105
to win ratio of all time
821
00:34:15.325 --> 00:34:18.385
and everyone kind of sees it as like, as much as no
822
00:34:18.505 --> 00:34:20.185
'cause will also wins. Right?
823
00:34:20.525 --> 00:34:21.825
But I bet the ratio's the same.
824
00:34:22.335 --> 00:34:26.985
It's like 20 28, 29 to eight where will's like
825
00:34:27.685 --> 00:34:30.665
87, 3 to 20 something.
826
00:34:31.365 --> 00:34:33.545
No Will's won more than 20 something races.
827
00:34:34.245 --> 00:34:35.945
Has he He used to win six a year.
828
00:34:36.695 --> 00:34:38.265
Yeah dude, Will's,
829
00:34:38.265 --> 00:34:39.825
Will's probably got are you looking it up?
830
00:34:40.045 --> 00:34:41.785
Mm-hmm Tim do something.
831
00:34:42.075 --> 00:34:45.865
45, you're right.
Okay. 45 wins off how many poles? 70.
832
00:34:48.695 --> 00:34:51.345
71. Yes. Yeah,
833
00:34:51.345 --> 00:34:52.345
That sounds right.
834
00:34:52.345 --> 00:34:54.665
All right, so that's better. Yeah. Not even close . Yeah.
835
00:34:54.665 --> 00:34:56.145
Alright. But is it
836
00:34:56.145 --> 00:34:58.345
because Charles just really good over a lap or is it
837
00:34:58.345 --> 00:35:02.865
because he just can hang on to a a, a not great car,
838
00:35:03.625 --> 00:35:06.145
a new tires for one lap, but over a stent and race distance?
839
00:35:06.165 --> 00:35:07.225
You just, I think Ferrari,
840
00:35:07.225 --> 00:35:08.785
even when they have a good car still
841
00:35:08.785 --> 00:35:09.905
find a way to bone it up.
842
00:35:10.245 --> 00:35:11.245
So
843
00:35:13.055 --> 00:35:14.665
That is, Hmm.
844
00:35:15.445 --> 00:35:17.345
So okay, so where would he try to go?
845
00:35:17.745 --> 00:35:18.905
I guess you don't know until end
846
00:35:18.905 --> 00:35:20.425
of 26 when you see what the pecking order
847
00:35:20.425 --> 00:35:21.425
Is, right?
848
00:35:21.425 --> 00:35:23.785
I mean Aston Red Bull. Yeah.
849
00:35:24.135 --> 00:35:25.345
What is it about Ferrari?
850
00:35:25.465 --> 00:35:27.385
'cause I feel like that's been, as somebody
851
00:35:27.385 --> 00:35:30.465
who tertiary keeps track of F1 like that,
852
00:35:30.485 --> 00:35:32.265
that's been the ongoing thing of like
853
00:35:33.585 --> 00:35:36.505
Ferrari's gonna find a way to up their strategy
854
00:35:36.605 --> 00:35:38.965
as best they can or they're gonna find a way
855
00:35:38.965 --> 00:35:40.325
to like disappoint people.
856
00:35:40.795 --> 00:35:43.725
Like how does a storied brand with that much history
857
00:35:43.725 --> 00:35:45.165
of racing success just
858
00:35:45.825 --> 00:35:49.005
so consistently over the last decade it all up?
859
00:35:49.955 --> 00:35:51.815
Or how do they fix it if we wanna be more
860
00:35:51.815 --> 00:35:53.095
optimistic? I think
861
00:35:53.235 --> 00:35:56.815
If they do answer Tim, I don't know that it would still be
862
00:35:56.815 --> 00:35:57.815
happening.
,
863
00:35:59.595 --> 00:36:02.215
the, the thing is, I don't remember the numbers,
864
00:36:02.475 --> 00:36:05.255
but like in, I think they compared it to,
865
00:36:05.315 --> 00:36:06.975
to Christian Horne when Christian was still
866
00:36:07.035 --> 00:36:08.055
at Red Bull, right?
867
00:36:08.075 --> 00:36:12.615
So let's say before this year, red Bull had come in, in 2005
868
00:36:12.675 --> 00:36:15.015
or whatever it was, and to 2025,
869
00:36:15.015 --> 00:36:17.055
Christian was the only team principal, right?
870
00:36:17.195 --> 00:36:19.175
So for 20 years they had one guy
871
00:36:19.275 --> 00:36:21.455
and in that time they had boatloads of success,
872
00:36:21.485 --> 00:36:23.655
four driver's titles and constructors titles
873
00:36:23.655 --> 00:36:27.375
and all the stuff, sorry, eight driver's, titles, whatever.
874
00:36:27.915 --> 00:36:31.825
Um, in that same time, in
875
00:36:31.825 --> 00:36:34.785
that same 20 year period, I think Ferrari had been
876
00:36:34.785 --> 00:36:36.185
through eight teepees
877
00:36:37.665 --> 00:36:41.675
and it's consistency's a big deal, man.
878
00:36:41.675 --> 00:36:43.195
We've talked about that a lot, right?
879
00:36:43.265 --> 00:36:45.675
Like having a consistent driver lineup,
880
00:36:45.675 --> 00:36:48.235
having consistent engineering staff, consistent leadership
881
00:36:48.585 --> 00:36:50.795
that helps you identify issues
882
00:36:51.335 --> 00:36:54.235
and, You know, apply solutions.
883
00:36:54.935 --> 00:36:57.875
If it's, if it keeps changing, it takes the new person
884
00:36:58.265 --> 00:37:00.435
however long to really identify the issues.
885
00:37:00.495 --> 00:37:01.955
And then you gotta come up with solutions
886
00:37:02.055 --> 00:37:04.715
and then it takes the solutions a while to kick in
887
00:37:04.715 --> 00:37:06.555
because that's just the nature of Formula One.
888
00:37:07.575 --> 00:37:09.475
And they just haven't been patient enough
889
00:37:09.475 --> 00:37:10.875
to give people the time.
890
00:37:10.875 --> 00:37:15.795
Like when they fired, uh, bono, I was shocked
891
00:37:16.035 --> 00:37:18.435
'cause he had taken them like for two years up in the
892
00:37:18.595 --> 00:37:19.715
construction championship every year
893
00:37:19.715 --> 00:37:20.795
and then they got rid of him.
894
00:37:21.175 --> 00:37:25.875
So I'm not entirely sure what the thinking was there,
895
00:37:26.535 --> 00:37:29.475
but I think that's, that's definitely part of it.
896
00:37:30.055 --> 00:37:31.115
Fred's there for a while.
897
00:37:31.115 --> 00:37:32.555
He signed a new long-term contract,
898
00:37:32.555 --> 00:37:34.675
so hopefully this is the beginning of something new.
899
00:37:35.015 --> 00:37:37.595
You know, the new rules set gives him a huge opportunity.
900
00:37:37.775 --> 00:37:39.875
But yeah, it's, I don't know man.
901
00:37:39.945 --> 00:37:40.875
It's gonna be interesting to see.
902
00:37:41.525 --> 00:37:42.435
Gonna be interesting to see.
903
00:37:42.495 --> 00:37:45.675
The real question, Alex, is can anybody
904
00:37:46.695 --> 00:37:50.295
on the IndyCar side stop the train
905
00:37:51.005 --> 00:37:53.055
that is Chip Canas you racing and now it's below?
906
00:38:02.415 --> 00:38:04.535
Probably not.
Okay. That's
907
00:38:05.315 --> 00:38:06.775
No, I like how you
Thought about it though.
908
00:38:06.835 --> 00:38:08.175
You put some thought into it. 'cause
909
00:38:08.365 --> 00:38:11.135
What would give anyone the ability to say
910
00:38:11.135 --> 00:38:13.575
that there's not a single thing changed. There's nothing's
911
00:38:13.575 --> 00:38:14.575
Changed.
912
00:38:14.575 --> 00:38:17.255
Right, exactly. So if there was anything new,
913
00:38:18.315 --> 00:38:22.895
if his team was different, if there was
914
00:38:23.805 --> 00:38:26.055
four new tracks, if there were, if
915
00:38:26.055 --> 00:38:27.135
The car was different, the
916
00:38:27.135 --> 00:38:31.335
Car was at all different, then yeah, you'd like to say
917
00:38:31.685 --> 00:38:35.055
that potentially someone could figure it out more than him.
918
00:38:35.385 --> 00:38:40.295
But based on the, the fact that that's not happening
919
00:38:40.355 --> 00:38:42.335
and what we've seen over the past four years, like
920
00:38:43.355 --> 00:38:46.575
no one can say that until they go out and do it. So the
921
00:38:46.675 --> 00:38:49.175
The frustrating thing about him is you get the sense
922
00:38:49.175 --> 00:38:52.815
that like when you see the jump from 23 to four, four
923
00:38:52.815 --> 00:38:55.135
to five, you get the sense it's kind of like Max,
924
00:38:55.165 --> 00:38:57.215
he's still getting better, right?
925
00:38:57.215 --> 00:38:58.655
Like he hasn't, I don't even know if
926
00:38:58.655 --> 00:38:59.895
he's actually even peaked yet.
927
00:38:59.995 --> 00:39:01.735
Mm. And so everyone's already playing catch up.
928
00:39:01.735 --> 00:39:03.855
If he hits a ceiling, then fine people can figure it
929
00:39:03.855 --> 00:39:04.935
out and, and catch up to him.
930
00:39:04.935 --> 00:39:06.135
That's kind of how sport works.
931
00:39:06.275 --> 00:39:08.175
But if he's still getting better, that's,
932
00:39:08.555 --> 00:39:09.895
that's bad for everybody.
933
00:39:11.235 --> 00:39:12.695
We do have two new tracks next year.
934
00:39:13.145 --> 00:39:14.575
Maybe that'll throw a curve ball
935
00:39:15.455 --> 00:39:16.785
even though I did pretty well at Thermal,
936
00:39:16.805 --> 00:39:17.805
Didn't he?
937
00:39:17.805 --> 00:39:19.865
What are the two We have ar Oh, Arlington and Markum.
938
00:39:20.855 --> 00:39:25.785
There's three. Phoenix.
Phoenix isn't new. It's
939
00:39:25.785 --> 00:39:26.785
New to him.
940
00:39:26.785 --> 00:39:27.545
No, it's new. New to him. Yeah.
941
00:39:27.695 --> 00:39:31.465
Yeah. Okay.
New to this car with the hybrid. That
942
00:39:31.465 --> 00:39:32.465
Is true.
943
00:39:32.465 --> 00:39:33.665
That is true. So maybe, maybe,
944
00:39:33.975 --> 00:39:37.065
well unfortunately didn't he win by more than three wins
945
00:39:37.125 --> 00:39:38.505
or something last year? So
946
00:39:39.175 --> 00:39:40.175
Yeah, I know that.
947
00:39:40.175 --> 00:39:42.985
And, and also, like when Thermal was a new track, he, he,
948
00:39:43.015 --> 00:39:44.705
he's won every time we've gone there, so.
949
00:39:44.775 --> 00:39:48.785
Sure. Yeah. Hmm. Well that'll be fun.
950
00:39:48.785 --> 00:39:50.905
Anyways, anyway, uh,
951
00:39:51.775 --> 00:39:53.785
next week we'll talk about the new governance structure
952
00:39:53.805 --> 00:39:57.065
of IndyCar among other things Christmas and Christmas
953
00:39:57.065 --> 00:39:58.185
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954
00:39:59.655 --> 00:40:01.025
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