Speaker 1: This is, is off track.
What's up everybody? Hello And welcome
to Off Track
with Vincent Rossi.
Speaker 2: I thought you were home. Where are you now?
Speaker 1: No, I left. I was home, uh, for 18 hours
after a 31 hour travel day. Why
Speaker 2: Were you home so long?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it, I just, because I had three loads of laundry
to do and not just the typical one.
So extended the trip a little bit.
Speaker 3: I, I texted James today
and I was like, Hey man, since you're back,
do you wanna go play some rackets porch, maybe some golf.
Enjoy the nice weather. And he was like, ah, I'm on a plane.
And I was confused
because we had a whole conversation yesterday about him
flying home from Minneapolis
and getting confused that Minneapolis is not Indianapolis
or Annapolis or any of the,
Speaker 1: Or Annapolis Speaker 3: Metropolitan
Speaker 2: That place.
Speaker 3: This Speaker 1: Is Annapolis. Annapolis is
Speaker 3: Definitely a thing.
Speaker 2: Is Annapolis a place where Speaker 3: Yeah, North Carolina.
Speaker 1: North Carolina. Speaker 2: I've never heard
Speaker 3: Of know this.
Speaker 2: Annapolis? Speaker 1: Yes. KN Annapolis.
Speaker 2: I've never heard of that. I feel like you guys are
both just messing with me right now.
Speaker 1: No, I would love, I would love you to, to find us on this.
No, don't. I bet you a thousand dollars.
I bet you a thousand dollars
by typing it in. You're agreeing.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not agreeing.
Um, I'm now,
I'm just curious if we have any listeners in Kannapolis.
Speaker 1: I'm actually Alex, I gotta be honest, man. I'm impressed.
Well, first of all, I was gonna piss Tim off,
but I was late hitting record on my side.
So the audio file's gonna be like really annoying at the
beginning and then, uh, if it cut
in into good stuff, but I'm used
Speaker 2: To you being awful. It's all right.
Speaker 1: I, I am genuinely impressed with us that we know something
that Tim doesn't
and like fairly normal st not like some super
obscure thing. This is like
Speaker 2: A, I have never heard of that.
I've never heard of that, that place.
Speaker 1: I, we, we understand that. You sure? You sure haven't.
Speaker 3: There's another one in Pennsylvania,
and I forget what it is,
but I know that, you know, when you're watching the election
and it pops up, cities, like that was always one.
I was like, oh, that's another poli that I didn't know of
Speaker 1: Another apples.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess that makes senseis,
like there's a lot of polis.
It means city, but I've just never heard of, there's not,
Speaker 3: I think there's like six.
Speaker 1: Well guys, if you live in a polis
or Annapolis, um, that we haven't mentioned, make sure
to flood Tim's inbox and social media channels
and let us know what you're in.
But yes, that all stemmed from the fact
that I was sitting like two gates away from my
gate to avoid people.
And you know, I was supposed to be boarding. I get you, bro.
Like, yeah, exactly. You're rubbing off on me. Yeah.
And this was like, this was like 22 hours, I think,
into my travel day.
So I was just a little over everything.
And um, and,
and I heard over the thing from Annapolis final boarding,
and I was like, I thought we didn't
start boarding for five minutes.
And I like jumped out from my chair
and panicked mad dash to the thing just to realize
that right next to us was Minneapolis. I'm like,
Speaker 3: Got it.
And they're, sir, is this your first time traveling?
And you were like, in fact, it is
Speaker 1: In my first time traveling this hour.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Speaker 1: But then dude, so I got, yeah, so I got home for
18 hours, which was wonderful.
Slept in my own bed. Alex, you and I had this conversation.
Mm-hmm. Well, I'm sorry, the rest of the world,
but North American beds, they just, they're
so much better than everywhere else in the world.
Everywhere on earth has totally missed
Speaker 3: Beds. Mm.
Speaker 1: Okay. Mm-hmm. Except Speaker 3: Sweden.
Speaker 1: Really? Yeah. That's funny.
'cause I've slept in a couple Ikea beds and they were pretty
Speaker 3: <inaudible>.
Okay. So I just came back from England.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, you haven't been to
Sweden lately. Doesn't
Speaker 3: Mean that I feel like he's definitely been to Sweden.
I have not ever been to Sweden. What?
Speaker 1: Man, that's recent. Speaker 3: What
Speaker 1: Is going on today?
He sucked on today. You're so dumb today. It's amazing.
Speaker 3: Hey, you're an idiot as I'm Speaker 1: Go.
Speaker 3: See you next week, . But, uh,
but, uh, Sweden does make, uh, mattresses and, um,
Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're talking about this super duper,
like no, sorry, carry on.
This one that like cools you from the inside,
one that you got.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Oh, okay. Sorry,
Speaker 3: Karen.
That's an American Silicon Valley for
Speaker 1: Intervention.
Okay, got it. Got
it. Speaker 3: , ,
no, no, no. Uh, so was in England and went to Herod. Right.
And her is a, is a tourist, uh, attraction if,
if you are into that kind of thing.
Um, but also it's fun to just meander around.
And we ended up in the, uh, the home section
of Herod's and Okay.
Uh, walking through patio furniture and everything.
And we get to beds and we're like, oh, these, that's,
that duvet is beautiful.
Like, wow. I is it double stuffed?
Because you know, when you go to like, restoration Hardware
or whatever, , like, and they give you Oreos. Find
Speaker 1: Oreos or Duvets. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
When you go to Restoration Hardware,
they give you the tray of Oreos.
Right. They're always the thin ones.
'cause they're watching. No. Anyways.
So, um, RH usually double stuffs the duvets
to make it look more appealing and presentable. Right.
Speaker 1: But like, that's not how they sell them.
That's just how they show them. That's
Speaker 3: Not how they sell them.
Yes. Got it. Yes.
Um, and so Kelly was like, oh, this,
this thing must be double stuffed.
And it wasn't. And so we're like, man, this duvet is sick.
And so we, we kind of walk
and explore this brand a little bit.
And, um, we get to the bed
and it's this bed that's kind of in, in this, it's
the center of the showroom, if you will.
Okay. Um, imagine a car showroom.
It's got the down lighting on it
and everything. And it's, it's,
Speaker 1: It's, it's the number one.
It's the, it's the big, big boy.
Speaker 3: It's the bed, it's the big boy bed. Right.
And so you look at like the, the bed frame. Right.
And it's kind of got some of those like rivets
that you would see on like a Louis Vuitton trunk
or whatever, but it's not leather, it's just,
it's very nicely done.
It's a very night beautiful bed.
And Kelly sits on it and she's like, yeah, it's, it's nice.
And, but like, I don't really get it.
And so then we walked to the, the window sticker. Right.
And, um, James, what would you think
an astronomically ridiculous amount of money
to spend on a bed.
Keep in mind it comes with all the sheets, all
Speaker 1: All the pillows.
So sheets, mattress, bed frame.
Does everything do anything that you haven't,
haven't revealed yet?
Or like, is there a It doesn't,
Speaker 3: No, it doesn't.
Its not like electronic head.
It doesn't, no, we did walk by a headboard
that had speakers built in and I'm just like, why?
Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, brain sounds you do like
Speaker 3: I do, but your sounds night.
My phone is for, for the free. Right.
Um, and like, if you really want to get advanced
speakers are a couple hundred bucks.
Yeah. An that's true. Astronomical number
Speaker 1: $23,000.
Speaker 3: Keep in mind, we're inheritance.
No, that's not, see, that's not right.
Because I had this conversation with your wife. Yeah.
And she kind of threw out a number like that.
I'm like, all right. You can spend eight grand
on a Tempur-Pedic mattress.
Okay. Yeah. You can then spend 10 grand on the
restoration hardware that frame.
Right? Yeah. So you're already
at tax at 23. So we're, oh, we're
Speaker 1: You la Okay.
Speaker 3: No, I'm not saying that's not a ridiculous amount.
I'm just saying Yeah. That, that you can achieve
without trying that hard, that
Speaker 1: Hard. Right. Okay.
Speaker 3: At home, this is Herod right. And everything's stupid.
Speaker 1: This $54,000 Speaker 3: You're getting there, but no,
Speaker 1: I honestly thought your reaction when he said 23 was you
were like, okay, pick a certain number one more about it.
Open that. Yeah. Yeah. I, same thing. So sorry.
Am I still under at
Speaker 3: 53,517,000 pounds Speaker 1: ?
What? Okay. Does it come with a house?
No, it's,
ah, the finest bed house included.
Um, okay, so what, okay,
so those rivets are 24 karat gold.
Nope. And the duvet is stuffed with unicorn
fur tail hair.
Mm-hmm . And it's, I'm angry. 8,000 angry about that.
It's eight pound sheets. What is a half a million K?
So what is it? What are we doing? What is it?
Speaker 3: Um, well first of all, it's uh,
it's made outta horse hair.
Speaker 1: Okay. Speaker 3: So the idea
Speaker 1: Bad bad Speaker 3: Is, I mean, clearly good.
And so the idea is that like,
it's a bed that'll last a lifetime, which you'd hope fucking
Speaker 1: Better. Speaker 3: .
Speaker 1: That's not enough lifetimes.
Speaker 3: Actually, actually, as I read more about it,
is like a generational bed.
Like you could pass it down, but
Speaker 1: That's just weird.
Why would you wanna use that?
Speaker 3: It is. Nope. It comes Guy used a guy on this thing. .
Yeah. A guy flies out from Europe every year
to flip it and like, good.
Make sure it's evenly like distributed and stuffed.
Um, and really, that's it. Oh my God.
That's really all you're all you're getting.
Um, it's, it's fireproof.
So like some people, uh, apparently put valuables
underneath it instead of like a safe deposit box.
They just put Oh yeah. Because they,
Speaker 2: They can't afford a safe for that amount of money. .
And
Speaker 3: Like a couple people bought 'em, like Drake bought one.
Um, and some like aristocrats, you could just,
Speaker 2: You could hire somebody at a hundred thousand
American dollars a year to just watch your stuff
for almost seven years
Speaker 3: Without having to buy that Van .
Yeah. Um, so anyways, I just, I found that to be,
um, pretty incredible.
So I was blown away
and I figured you would be too,
considering you thought a ridiculous number is
$23,000. No, no. Which I stand
Speaker 1: By. I stand by that
Speaker 3: 690,000 US dollars.
Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna the by the fact
that Kelly's reply
or response as sitting on the bed was, yeah.
It's nice. I'm just, I'm gonna stay by my claim
that North American beds still just are the best value
for money in terms of comfort.
It doesn't matter, man. I've been to South America, Europe,
Asia, you've been, you've been all these places too.
The, the like baseline bed comfort level at like,
let's say you just go to like a middle
of the road hotel chain that if that is
what we're calling like typical standard of bedding
for that country, just there's nowhere close,
there's nowhere close. I'm at a fair,
Speaker 3: I completely Speaker 1: Agree in suites.
And I can tell you that this twin bed behind me is going
to be infinitely more comfortable than anything
I slept on Italy
Speaker 3: Or France.
Couldn't agree more. Couldn't agree. I don't get it.
Speaker 1: Why? Speaker 2: This is just upsetting me.
Speaker 1: Why don't Europeans like themselves,
why don't they want to be more comfortable?
Speaker 3: Well, some of the Swedish people do
Speaker 1: A little too much
if you ask me. Right. A little too much.
Speaker 3: Right? Like, like like $650,000 too much.
Speaker 1: Roughly. I mean, right. Arguably more than that, but yeah.
Sure. Um, wow. Okay.
So you Wait, I do have one trouble related
Speaker 2: Story.
I'm legitimately angry that this exists.
Like I I I, this isn't even
Speaker 3: Like, well Speaker 2: Tim playing it up for the show,
Speaker 3: Like I'm angry at that.
Yeah. I mean, here's the thing.
The thing is, um, that's out of a lot
of people's price range. , right? Yeah.
Speaker 1: Understatement of the year.
Speaker 3: And, and, and so there was one on sale.
Speaker 1: Okay. Oh, what as you can see Bargain City. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Um, Speaker 1: And this, how many balloons was
Speaker 3: This?
This, sorry, I'll hold it up to the screen.
This one was only 128,051 pounds.
Speaker 1: That Speaker 2: One better at least come with a condo.
Speaker 1: Somebody peed on that one. I think I would love to just,
I feel like I know somebody, Becky knows somebody
that knows Drake pretty well.
I feel like we should ask them
to ask Drake if it was worth it. Really?
Speaker 3: Do think he even knows how much it cost
Speaker 1: Person, I don't care if he knows how much it cost
Speaker 3: To be like, get the best,
Speaker 1: Whatever, the best bed. I just wanna know, how
Speaker 2: Do you advertise that?
Like, you know, there was a story I heard years ago
that they stopped trying to advertise
or like have booths for Rolls Royces at car shows
and instead they now like try to convince you
to buy a Rolls Royce while you're buying a private jet.
Right. Because they're just like,
if you're dropping a couple million on a jet, it makes,
you know, you'll drop a quarter
of a million on a Rolls RoCE. Well that's,
Speaker 3: That's why you can't, why where they do that.
They don't, they don't want to degrade the brand. So
Speaker 1: I had one annoying travel experience,
which actually wasn't on my 31 hour
trip back from Singapore.
It was, uh, also a NA hell of an airline. Wow. Wow.
Wow, wow. That was impressive.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing, Europeans don't do
mattresses, but they do airlines. Yeah. Well
Speaker 1: That one's Japanese.
Speaker 3: Well, sorry, but yes. Anyone but America does airlines.
Speaker 1: I know, man. American airline, international
planes are lately have been pretty solid.
Yes. And I've flown on a couple Lufthansa flights,
which planes were a little old.
Little, little dated, but this a and a Wow.
What a, what an experience.
What an interesting layout they had.
Anyway, um, this morning flying to Atlanta,
I it's just, this is, this is gonna go in the book, man.
This is another one that goes in the book
that we are gonna write about plane etiquette.
Right? So we land, you have had
to put your carry on baggage
further back on the plane than your seat.
It happens. Right?
If you are in a rush of some kind to catch a flight,
a connecting flight, I get it.
You kinda have to do whatever you gotta do.
And that's, that's fair play.
But when you have absolutely nothing to rush to, here's
what I, here's what I I don't love
is once everybody stands up,
this person didn't even like try to be quick on the draw.
And like as soon as the belts went off, pop the belt
and sprint back as far as they could.
Right. Everybody was standing
and then it was kind of the, oh hey, my bag's four,
five rows back that way.
And the guy in the aisle was kind of like,
okay, sure.
And so moved kind of outta the way
and then this person had to like size their way
through all the people to get to where their bag was.
Speaker 2: Oh, I know where this is going and I already hate them.
Speaker 1: Kind, kind of annoying, but like whatever the then side
to carry the suitcase back through all said people
to get back to their original row.
Nope. Uhuh, arrestable offense. Arrestable offense. .
You, you got back there against the grain,
pissing people off, rubbing up against people, got your bag
and then carried it almost overhead,
but couldn't quite get it all the way overhead.
So it was like almost dragging it across people's
heads to get up there.
<inaudible>, you absolutely not.
And I then followed this person off the plane.
No rush whatsoever. Not even remotely in a rush. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Inexcusable. There. You, I think every, everybody
who hits a certain tier of frequent flyers,
you should be able to designate one person
for the no fly list.
Like for every a hundred thousand miles you fly.
I think you should get one where you, you just be like,
you're not allowed to fly anymore.
Speaker 1: No, I just think they should hand out book.
I think I feel like we should write this book
and then we'll do a deal with all the airlines
that every time once a year, if you book an airline ticket,
you have to read this
manual Speaker 2: . It'll be like the
Speaker 1: Gideon by questionnaire. But for
Speaker 2: Planes . Right.
Speaker 1: And everybody should have to read it.
And look, there are exceptions to the rule. To all rules.
This was not one of 'em. And this person, oh man,
really didn't love it.
Didn't love it. How do
Speaker 2: You feel about like it asking somebody like, Hey,
mine's like right there.
It's a row behind. Like, could you grab it past
Speaker 3: Me? It be 75 years old
Speaker 1: If it's one row back
and I can reach it from where I'm standing.
I don't, that's fine. I don't care. That doesn't bother
Speaker 2: Me.
So I feel like I've been asked a lot
and I've never minded. I've just been like, no,
Speaker 1: That, that doesn't bother me.
But like, again, that person didn't have
to go against anybody.
I didn't have to elbow anybody outta the way to get it.
Nobody was really inconvenienced in that exchange.
But like, wait until everybody was up going against the
grain, going up river and then carrying the bag back.
Just stand there. Just stay there. Just wait.
It was full rows and you weren't going anywhere.
What are we doing speaking of travel?
You had a nice long flight back the other day from
jolly old London.
Speaker 3: I did. Oh, you oh, your flight.
Speaker 1: I was a little Benny boy. Speaker 3: I, I don't have any,
I don't have any travel stories guys.
Everything was incredibly smooth. Ben was great.
Speaker 1: Saw some adorable pictures of him just
sleeping on your chest while you were
Speaker 3: Watching every, everyone Speaker 2: It's very cute.
Speaker 3: Everyone, uh, loves him.
I was rapped a lot of the flight, but that's okay. Nice.
Enjoy, enjoy those moments. Well mm-hmm .
I got 'em, um mm-hmm .
And yet we got back Tuesday night
and everything.
Babies do get jet lag. I will say that. I will say that.
Oh that makes sense. They do, they do understand time zones.
Um, so he's a little, so was he,
Speaker 1: He's up early.
Speaker 3: It's not that he was up early.
Um, 'cause he is always kind of up early.
It's that at two o'clock he was like, put me
to bed and we're like, oh,
Speaker 1: Interesting. No,
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Speaker 3: Sorry pal. We're gonna go for a walk.
We're gonna play, we're gonna read books,
we're gonna do everything but go to bed.
Um, so that's been interesting.
I don't know how that's gonna go the next couple days,
but, uh, that's fine.
Speaker 1: Is it hard? Like, is he just get super cranky
and you have to just find the ways to keep 'em.
'cause like don't baby just cry when they're tired or hungry
or poopy or whatever.
Speaker 3: Yes. But you know,
Speaker 1: They're a lot like me in that regard.
Oh, . Yes. I know. I wasn't gonna say it, but
Speaker 3: All babies have cues.
Um, and you learn to, to read them.
His, when he is tired is he rubs the <inaudible>
outta his eyes and yawns.
So it's pretty, I
Speaker 1: Feel like it's a pretty normal
human response to being tired. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Pretty, pretty universal. So, um, it's
Speaker 1: Gonna be super cute when he does it though.
Just
Speaker 3: Yes.
And they're all red and bloodshot.
You're like, oh my god, I'm so sorry. Bad poor guy.
But no, we had a wonderful trip. Very glad we went.
Um, and yeah, back, I'm kind
of on your program a little bit, not to your extreme,
but I leave tomorrow, go to Charlotte in the sim sim sim
and then, uh, exciting.
Get to drive a race car on Monday, actually.
Hey, I'm getting to drive a race car a ton this winter,
which is very weird considering testing was supposed
to be, uh, less. Yeah. But
Speaker 1: It's, why do you get more?
What, what else are you testing
or why, why, when, where and how?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we're doing a team test at, uh,
indie Road course on Monday.
And then the following week I'm doing a two day, uh,
indie car, uh, series
test at the Speedway.
And then, um,
first week in November I'm doing a two day
Firestone test at Phoenix.
Speaker 1: Oh, cool. Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean it's awesome getting a lot
of time in the car during this down period, which is great.
Um, yeah, it's a very good problem
to have. So pretty, pretty
Speaker 1: About that un expectancy time is always good.
Um, yeah. On that, on that note,
the Monday tests at IMS Road course,
you also have, uh, a couple others joining you.
Mm-hmm. So Christian's with you obviously mm-hmm .
Uh, Andre Global's got Lockie Hughes driving
the car, which is cool.
Good for him. Happy to see that.
Uh, Kos Hollinger has James Rowe.
So a couple of the, uh,
indie light guys getting an opportunity.
Speaker 3: Foyt has Colette again,
Speaker 1: Fo has Colette again.
Dale's got Hauger again.
Speaker 3: And RL and then Speaker 1: RLL arguably
with the headline grabbing one,
it's got old Mick Schumacher making a return
to high powered open wheel race cars, which is kind of cool.
What do we think about, uh, old Mick giving it a run?
Speaker 3: I am I'm curious to know what the purpose is.
Like is he, is he evaluating IndyCar as an option
because that's pretty cool?
Um, or is this more, you know,
there's been a couple European guys that have come over just
to do the test
because I think they were sought out by teams.
You know, holgenburg came over.
Um, there's another one that I'm forgetting
that there was really no interest in
racing the championship.
It was just like, oh, they're really asking me to do this
and they want me to do this, and why
the hell not, why wouldn't I?
So I'm curious if it's that situation
or if this is like Mick scene, if it goes well,
if it's something that he would consider pursuing in 2026.
So I don't know. But it'd be nice to find
Speaker 1: Out.
It'd be cool. I mean,
you should ask them while you're there. I will
Speaker 3: In my best. Maybe he's,
Speaker 1: Wait, it's on Speaker 3: Monday.
Deutsche? Yes.
Speaker 1: Um, might swing by Michael. Say hi. Hmm. Okay.
Well, interesting. Again, it's a, it's, it's,
it's a crafty move on the RAHA team part
because F1 slash two slash three drivers always
kill it at IMS Road course.
So like, and so does that team.
So he is gonna go over and be like, oh my God, I'm, he won
by Mile IndyCar's.
Awesome. I'm definitely in .
That's not always how it goes,
but, uh, I mean, like, they took Holcomb convert to Barber
and he needed one test and he was like, absolutely not.
We're not, I'm not doing that . That's, that's really hard.
I'm not doing this. They, taking a barber is great.
It's, it's really fun. It is really fun when you get it.
That's funny. I, so yeah.
I'm, I'm going to, I'm gonna try to swing by
'cause that'd be fun to see how that all goes.
Lucas had his first test in the Penske car at Gateway.
Gateway. Must be nice
that Penske's allowed to run their driver.
I don't know if you've been keeping up with, uh,
Xfinity racing at all, uh, before.
We'll, we'll touch on F1 in a sec,
but yeah, Connor Village is pretty good at driving stuff.
Speaker 3: I don't, I've never watched an Xfinity race.
That's not true. The only Xfinity race series I've ever
watched, or the ones that Connor seen Connor Sage.
Um, but I,
I don't know anything about it other than every Monday it
seems, I read the headline that Connor Zilla wins again.
And I'm just like, is he that good
or is he just that good? He's the
Speaker 1: Who fell off the car, right?
Yeah. Yes. And he's come back,
didn't won his first race back,
I'm pretty sure and has won everything.
He's won 10 races in Xfinity.
Like it's, that's from a guy who didn't race ovals
until like two years ago, bro. He didn't come up. Like
Speaker 3: He, he might be the best race car driver in North America.
Speaker 1: Like he's on the list, man. Like, it's free.
I mean, I'm right here free. Fascinating.
We know Tim, we know. And how is he a Mario Kart?
He's one in prototypes.
He's, he's like unstoppable
and this is gonna sound stupid, but just bear with me here.
MX five Cup, he would drop in
and like that type of racing, like the Racecraft require is
so specific and so unique and he would just drop in
and beat the regulars.
Very good racer, went into Ovals, was good in trucks,
was good in Xfinity,
obviously he is already been told he is going up
to Cup next year, like kid's killing it.
And then, and he is a track house development driver.
And then I'm pretty sure SVG won the Cup
race for Track House.
So they're having a pretty good run.
Justin Marks is good at stuff, man.
He's pretty, he's a pretty switched on dude.
I like his, I like the cut of his jib. Mm.
I like the way he's gone about that. No. Anyway, I,
Speaker 3: It's, it's, uh, it's pretty incredible.
Like I do, we do know that in Xfinity there is,
there's a lot of differentiation in equipment
right there. Good equipment,
Speaker 1: Bad equipment for sure.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of manufacturer supported engines
that are tiered and certain ones with certain amount
of horsepower kept for certain individuals.
But even so Motorsports as we know, is a very fickle
and there's a lot of variables.
And so the fact that he is good enough
with the equipment to over because
Speaker 1: He not the one with the equipment, the variables,
Speaker 3: Right?
No, but I I I he's not, you're absolutely right
Speaker 1: Because like when he's not,
when when Cup guys were allowed to go run
as many Xfinity races as they want.
Right. And guys like Kyle Bush would go
run the entire series.
Mm-hmm . Like Kyle Bush might not even win 10
of those a year or like maybe he did.
Yeah, he would. But you've gotta be,
you gotta be Kyle Busch good.
Like in that's a good sign in
Speaker 3: In right, Speaker 1: In
Speaker 3: Good equipment, but also yes, in Gibb's equipment. Like
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Yeah. But I'm saying like, this is a kid I,
who does not have cup championships under his belt coming
back and playing with the kids anyway, dude, I know.
Really impressive. I know. I wanna see him run the Indy 500.
I would love to see Zi run the 500.
I wanna see what he can do in an Indy car
because there's literally nothing put him in that he can .
Yeah. Fair. I mean, not, yeah.
Maybe, maybe not for you,
but, uh, for the entertainment value
and my job, it would be great.
Um, so let's, let's make that happen.
Uh, let's come on everybody, you know, uh,
he's a Red Bull athlete.
Let's go Red Bull and let's go Chevrolet.
And let's get him into an IndyCar from bro.
Well Alex, this Red Bull and
Speaker 3: R used to have a relationship.
Did they? Yeah, ed was a Red Bull driver in IndyCar.
Speaker 1: I had forgot that actually.
So you go, you've got Chevy power team
with a Red Bull relationship
that a really good speedway sounds pretty quick. Go.
Speaker 3: Let's see what he, he does. Okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I'll, uh, make some calls. So
Speaker 3: This weekend, F1 I, I'm sorry, I watched not a single lap.
Speaker 1: Oh wow. Really? I did the, the old F1 TV, 30 minute recap.
Always, always a, always a money way to do it.
It's a, it's a banger way to catch a race.
Um, well let me fill you in then.
Speaker 3: I mean, I know what, I know the results and I know
Speaker 1: Qualifying results, Speaker 3: So
I'm pretty sure I know what happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you do. You do.
Uh, except if you don't know what happened in turn one
and it's something that I really wish
you had seen a clip of.
'cause I'd love your opinion on Do we wanna just pause
Speaker 3: Real quick and he can watch it.
Speaker 1: So Russell was on pole. Max was second.
Very, very interesting. Qualifying. So impressive man.
Like, kudos to you for racing an F1 car around that place.
Like I, I said this to you
after I did the test in the car, I was like, I don't know
how anybody drives those things
around a track like Singapore and you did that.
So good for you because that's a handful of the race car
to run around that place.
Georgia's lap was great President qualifying fine, whatever.
Lando was up until like basically the second to last corner
and ended up fifth and Oscar was third.
So championship implications, right? Lap won.
Lando gets a awesome start, goes past Oscar on the inside
of turn three as he fires it up the inside, which, you know,
he got around the outside of two, he had the lines
for three brushes, the back overshoots a tiny bit,
brushes into the back of Max, which causes an oversteer.
So he bumps wheels with Oscar
and goes by Oscar doesn't hit anything.
Oscar doesn't have any damage.
Oscar does not lose more than just that one position,
which he had every right to lose
because he left the door open
and ano got, he then got on the radio
and was saying, oh,
so we can just run into our teammates now.
Like, should we not swap those back? This isn't fair.
And all these sorts of comments, which
did not seem like very Oscar esque comments
because normally he like will make one comment for the sake
of like making fun of the papaya rules
and then get on with his day job.
But he like kept leaning into this one.
And if you watch it, it's not really that egregious,
a maneuver like teammate to teammate,
maybe it makes it one degree more egregious,
but like, it wasn't that bad at all. It was just
Speaker 3: Racing.
I get it from the viewpoint that
Oscar would've had in that moment, having
Speaker 1: Not been able to see the replay
Speaker 3: In, in his mind in that moment.
Right. You know, it's, it's tight quarters.
He leaves the door open for his teammate,
the next thing he knows he's being hit
and has to avoid hitting the outside wall, loses a spot.
And he's like, what the <inaudible>, why are we doing that?
And he's pissed.
So I I don't have a problem with it, I guess,
Speaker 1: But why, what did he want?
Did he want them to swap positions?
Like, did he think that that was actually something
that the team was gonna entertain?
Speaker 3: Well, there's been a lot of discussion
and a lot of things made about these papaya rules,
whether there are any rules or not.
Who knows If there is a rule that if you hit your teammate
and gain a spot from it, you have to give that back.
I mean that very well could be rule six.
Speaker 1: or rule one. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. Right. Maybe
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's just such a, it's just,
I feel like even if you want to bitch about what he did,
it seems like a, a futile battle to try
to make anything change in the right.
Like if the stewards didn't see an issue with it,
which man heard rules in F1?
There was nothing with it. I
Speaker 3: Think McLaren has made such a, had,
they've created such a situation for themselves. Right.
Speaker 1: Um, I'm not saying this is their bed now, not
Speaker 3: Rightly or wrongly, but like Yeah, yeah.
They're switching positions all the time, so
why wouldn't he expect that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe I, yeah, I don't know. I was surprised.
I thought, uh, yeah, you asked once
and kind of assumed that nothing's gonna happen
and then just go
Speaker 3: On.
What I like, what I like is he, he wasn't the,
he didn't take the George or the Alban approach
and just like scream and stories out.
Yeah. He's off the red limiter. No, he was just like, man,
that doesn't seem right man.
That's kinda <inaudible> up man. Yeah. Really. And not
Speaker 1: Like very, very calm.
Speaker 3: Yes. So like yeah, I feel like he had a right
to express that. I think that's
Speaker 2: Fine.
And I feel like you guys even flagged this as an issue
with McLaren doing this kind of swapping spots
that this was gonna cause trouble down the line.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, there's a precedent for sure.
Speaker 2: Like, because if there's one team that might be like,
yeah, you're right, all right.
Swap positions back, like it could be
them Speaker 1: .
Speaker 2: So, you know, so Speaker 1: I wonder, kudos to
Speaker 2: You guys for predicting this. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean it was, look, it's a lot of people did.
It is easy to see 'cause it's just, it's a bit
of an unprecedented situation.
And I wonder though, like, is la is Oscar just kind
of being crafty enough that he's thinking like,
is he thinking long-term enough?
Is he playing chess, not checkers,
and thinking if I make a big enough deal out of this,
it might buy me some favor in a
different situation moving forward.
Because if he feels really wronged
or like the perception is he feels really wrong within the
team, the way they've tried so hard
to keep everything fair and balanced.
Like maybe he's just filling up his, his sympathy tank
for the team for so that next time they're like, uh,
I remember in Singapore though, like we didn't help him out
and maybe this time we like,
maybe he's like actually like a stone cold killer
and thinking this could help me three races down the line.
Speaker 2: Okay. If that is the case.
So not saying it is or isn't,
but if that is the case, do you respect a
driver for playing that game?
If it is part of the game,
Speaker 1: Of course. Anything that helps. There's you win
Speaker 2: Trophy, right?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Anything that helps you win
a championship, gotta do it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Gotta do it. Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: But I, but I, I hesitate to think that's the case.
I think if anything he was a little
embarrassed that he got done
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: By his teammate Yeah. In that situation
and was probably trying to rectify it so he didn't Yeah.
Have to look back on it and be like, man,
I'm an idiot for giving up that spot.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It would be cool if in like 15 years he writes a
biography and that's like in it, that,
that was a conscious thing
because you hear stuff like that man.
Like some of the mind games these guys play
and like back through history, some of the, some
of the stories that you've heard and
that's not just in the sport any athlete.
Right? Uh, so anyway, that was,
that was kinda the one drama.
Um, some really good drives.
I mean mean science got, you know,
bill Williams got disqualified in qualifying
and had to start at the back,
which as you know, there sucks.
And science did like a 50 laps stint
and then pit with 10 to go
and with fresh tires just cut through the field into points.
Very impressive. Bearman got points. It was very impressive.
Alonzo got good points, which was good.
There was one kind
of frequent complaint though I saw
after the fact. And I do wanna touch
Speaker 3: On it.
I saw this, I saw this,
Speaker 1: The complaint was twofold.
The complaint was that there were some big misses
from the director laying the race in terms
of OnTrack action mm-hmm .
Which they then parlayed into,
which I think is a completely separate thing.
But the internet is dumb.
And so they, they kind of put these two together.
That too often the camera shows shots of celebrities
and driver partners
during the broadcast when there's racing happening on track.
I wanna address the, the second one first.
Well, wait, do you have, what's, what's, okay do you,
do you agree that these are separate issues
and that in this particular situation it was,
it was a confluence
because people were just wanting to be mad.
Speaker 3: Um, Speaker 1: I know you didn't,
you didn't watch the race, but like Yeah,
Speaker 3: No, I, I agree.
It's separate. They are separate.
I don't think they're separate issues
because I don't think it's an issue.
The celebrity better half
situation. I think it's an issue. You don not
Speaker 1: Think it's an issue.
Speaker 3: No, I think it's right. It's an issue.
Not issues an unfair word
because um, no human being can see everything
that's happening all at once.
But I do often think that there are a lot
of good battles that are missed.
Not necessarily because people are
focusing on pretty people, but
because they're focusing on the leader or Right.
Okay. They're focusing on Yes. The championship cars.
Speaker 1: Yes. So, okay.
So I I wanna address the,
the partners thing first and celebrities thing first.
Okay. All the people
that complain about those people getting any airtime,
I think are ignoring two facts.
One, that there are a factor faction of the fans
that do enjoy seeing that.
So to ask the broadcast to never show it
because you don't like it, that's,
that's a little bit shortsighted.
The second point is simply that guys,
90% of 90% of these races are actually quite dull
and they're just driving around in a line flashing away
to other things every once in a while is not a problem.
You're not missing anything.
Now, I understand in Singapore there were some concerns
about late in the race you missed some of Carlos's passes.
You missed some of, uh,
the Fernando Alonzo Lewis Hamilton thing
'cause Lewis's brake were failing there.
There are two things again I wanna bring up on this.
Everybody, every single person
that complained about this has never directed a race
from a television broadcast standpoint.
You don't know that? I No, I'm confident.
I'm con I don't know that Alex, you're right.
But I'm fairly confident the reason that's difficult is, is
'cause like, because someone, what triggered me was someone
was like, oh, well this never happens in other sports.
Yeah dude, in other sports there's one thing happening.
There's one ball, there's one player in possession
of said ball or puck or whatever.
And you just have to follow it around.
In a confined space, motor racing is not the same.
And it is impossible, even with multiple people
watching multiple screens
to catch every battle all the time.
This is a unique situation
because all of the things that were being claimed
to have been missed
were happening right at the end of the race.
What everybody that I saw complaining seems
to completely miss, fails to realize was that at the front
two of the championship contenders
were less than a second apart.
And there was a battle for second place happening.
So Carlos passing from 12th to 10th
probably wasn't gonna be enough to draw the attention away,
lest you miss Lando firing up the inside of Max somewhere.
So had this all happened earlier in the race,
they would've had time to find these
replays and get them through.
If you watched any of the post-race, we covered all that.
But to sit there and on the director
or the decisions of the gallery
because your guy made a couple sick passes
that didn't make it on screen.
You have to understand there's a bigger picture here.
Also, it kind of speaks to the state of F1 that just
because four passes
were missed, the whole world's up in arms.
'cause that's like 80% of the passes
that happened at a track like that.
But I just, I'm just, I'm throwing out a, a, a bit of love
to anybody that has a direct motor sports.
'cause it's very, very hard to do.
And that was a, that was a, again, a unique set
of circumstances where it was
all happening at the end of the race.
There was something important potentially happening
at the front of the field.
The field. So breaking away, at no point in the last 10 laps
were they cut into shots of, well I shouldn't say that
'cause I don't remember necessarily.
I don't think cutting to any shot of a celebrity
or a partner cost them missing any passes.
Right. Did some passes not make on the broadcast. Yeah. Man.
Do you have any idea how often
that happens in every other form of motorsports?
Alex, how many sick passes have you made for six
that nobody saw on the broadcast?
How many sick passes have you made? Point 13th.
That's what it's, it happens all the time. Yeah. Yeah.
So you guys just have to like, people just have to accept
that it's not an easy thing to do.
And motorsports is really, really different man.
And if you wanna just watch your guy buy F1 TV Pro,
throw on his onboard and just watch him.
If you wanna watch the actual broadcast,
you're gonna miss some stuff. Well done.
Speaker 2: Well done. Turning that into commercial podcast.
Not brought to you by F1 TV Pro but shows tv.
I hope tv You're like, you plugging us as hard
as you plug F1 TV on here.
Speaker 1: I want you to know that you actually plugged it first
by saying you watched the half hour recap. .
Speaker 2: That's fair. That's fair. Speaker 1: I thought this was what
Speaker 2: We were doing.
Did you account him? Are you supporting James in paycheck?
Yeah. Speaker 1: . I like how you use account's account
and Alex didn't even use his account to watch.
Speaker 2: Somebody had Speaker 3: To use it.
I've never used that account. I'm
Speaker 2: Just account making sure you get bang
for your buck. Alex, do
Speaker 3: You wanna know what pissed me off actually?
Do you wanna know what was done? Everything
really rubbed me the wrong way.
Tell me is I made an effort.
Um, because my, I was in England, right?
So I was on the correct time zone. Oh
Speaker 1: For Yeah, Speaker 3: Set events.
Speaker 1: G Geo blocked in England and
Speaker 3: Oh, <inaudible> so pissed.
I was like, oh, I'm actually gonna use,
'cause it was Saturday afternoon and I had missed it
and I was like, oh, I'm gonna watch it back.
Kelly's getting ready for dinner or whatever.
I go to my F1 TV app, put in all my credentials, log in,
can't watch it, can't do it.
And I was like, this noise,
Speaker 1: I was hoping that you were gonna say that you logged in
and it said too many devices logged in because Tim used it
and you weren't allowed to use it. .
Speaker 3: No, just Speaker 1: That would've been funny. Just
Speaker 3: Geo blocked.
Speaker 1: Well, look, it was a, it was not a super exciting race,
but George Russell did an amazing job
and won Max did an amazing job in the finished second.
Lando did a good job to get on the podium
and close the gap a little bit.
And, and I dunno if I, I don't think we mentioned this
or I talked about it James, but I seen didn't anyone
Speaker 3: Do a really job?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the INE were pretty bad. Hmm. LP were pretty bad.
Um, Kinberg crashed I think because of one of the Alpines,
but yeah, there was a couple, the Ferrari weren't
particularly strong, you know, that's all relative.
It's all relative and yeah, I did, I did my first weekend
leading the, the pre and post show stuff.
Oh yeah. Which was a very cha very big change. Yeah.
So our regular lead presenter, Laura Winter, uh,
was not able to make this race.
And our other presenter, Nikki Shields, had a conflict
and they basically ran out of options.
And so they gave me the big microphone
and I had to lead all the pre and post-race shows
Speaker 3: Because Tim couldn't make it from LA to s that
Speaker 1: Quick.
'cause Tim couldn't make it. Tim was unavailable. Right.
Dude, unrelated the video
that you posted from the Tuesday episode, I've seen
so many comments about people, uh, and your hair.
Your hair just got so much. Yeah. Flack this week. Hey,
Speaker 3: Weird.
Looked like easy.
Speaker 2: Okay. Speaker 1: I was, yeah, I was just gonna say comments,
engagement around your hair. I'm not gonna No,
Speaker 2: I understood what you meant.
I understood. You didn't need to
Speaker 3: Clarify oh's also what I meant,
Speaker 2: But he said it in an nicer way also.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well I'm a nicer guy.
Speaker 2: I I do have two things I need to bring up just 'cause
before we wrap up, uh, we, we all got sick in the,
in the Durham household.
Um, so I unfortunately had
to miss DJ Clark's bachelor party.
Uh oh no, because you don't know.
DJ is usually doing the,
the podium announcements at IndyCar race
and he does a lot of the stuff like on the,
on the big boards for IndyCar.
So dj, sorry, I missed that.
Um, excited for the wedding though.
And more importantly,
Taylor Swift made a song about Travis Kelsey's being huge
and I feel like we need to like that just, we need to
Speaker 1: Not really talk about it again.
Speaker 2: Mention that it's, it's a, I mean,
would be playing's a nonstop if I were him.
Yeah, it's a redwood. Um,
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's, it's, it's a funny
Speaker 2: Because weird way to describe it.
Speaker 1: When I, I watched part of the podcast, part
of his podcast when she came on and announced the album
and all that stuff and
Speaker 2: Was favorite songs.
Speaker 1: He was like, some of their songs,
he is like there, some of these are bangers.
They're bangers, real bangers.
I'm like, I know which one he's talking about now. .
Speaker 2: Yeah. I didn't have anything to add to the discourse.
I just thought it was important to mention.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's, that's why we don't let you, um,
think very much.
Well, uh, on that bombshell, thanks for listening.
Um, next week we'll hear about Alex testing IndyCar at the
Speedway, which will be fun.
Speaker 2: And then we'll cover Nashville.
Speaker 1: Oh and no. Yeah, and I'm at Petit la Ma I'm
racing Petit La Mall this weekend.
I forgot where I was. I forgot what I was doing.
So we've got some racing and some testing to cover.
Oh, you actually get to drive. Thank God.
Yeah, I get to go drive. Yeah, it's gonna be fun.
I'm excited. Well, good luck. Luck Anne. I hope.
Thanks dude. I hope you remember how it works since March.
I just sit in the car today and
like relearn all the buttons.
I was like, what we do again. Yeah.
And if I have to do this, I push that one, right? Yeah.
Okay, cool. Yeah, so I think we're good.
Yeah, I'm sure it'll be fine. It'll be fine. Should be fine.
Yeah, it'll be fine. It'll be great. Nashville next week.
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