WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.195 --> 00:00:01.485 This is off track. 2 00:00:03.005 --> 00:00:05.125 I know you put money on Splendido or whatever. 3 00:00:06.045 --> 00:00:07.725 s Pandora, Same thing. 4 00:00:08.875 --> 00:00:10.765 It's not. Splendido is a different horse. 5 00:00:11.765 --> 00:00:14.445 I won my first bet at the Breeder's Cup 6 00:00:14.545 --> 00:00:17.045 and then lost my next 67 bets. 7 00:00:18.175 --> 00:00:21.765 Hello. Welcome to Off Track with Generos Rossi, where yes, 8 00:00:21.985 --> 00:00:24.405 the boys are gonna recap their Breeders Cup experience, 9 00:00:24.405 --> 00:00:26.405 which I think Tim just summarized quite nicely. 10 00:00:26.945 --> 00:00:31.885 Uh, also sounds like most people's football bets this week, 11 00:00:32.385 --> 00:00:34.005 uh, based on the people I was hanging out with. 12 00:00:34.105 --> 00:00:38.105 So guys, hello. First of all, 13 00:00:38.405 --> 00:00:39.405 Who are you hanging from? 14 00:00:39.405 --> 00:00:40.425 Home Welcome with Bet's on Football, 15 00:00:40.535 --> 00:00:41.745 Fish and Depu and Connor. 16 00:00:42.485 --> 00:00:44.465 Oh, yeah. They're not very 17 00:00:44.465 --> 00:00:45.465 Good. 18 00:00:45.465 --> 00:00:47.305 I don't, I'm not like a, I I'm not a Sportsbet. 19 00:00:47.845 --> 00:00:49.025 It helps that LA 20 00:00:49.165 --> 00:00:50.785 or California doesn't have apps 21 00:00:50.785 --> 00:00:52.025 that let you Sports bet. Yeah, 22 00:00:52.025 --> 00:00:53.345 You would, you would be Otherwise 23 00:00:54.025 --> 00:00:57.425 I the point, I was literally in, in the process 24 00:00:57.565 --> 00:00:58.945 of making I feel like . 25 00:01:01.645 --> 00:01:03.465 Um, but yeah, Tim, 26 00:01:03.645 --> 00:01:05.145 You would totally bet a ton if you lived 27 00:01:05.145 --> 00:01:06.465 somewhere that it could let you do 28 00:01:06.465 --> 00:01:07.465 It. . 29 00:01:07.465 --> 00:01:11.185 Yeah. Um, , I don't know if I, I don't if I can go back 30 00:01:11.185 --> 00:01:12.705 to horse horse race betting though. 31 00:01:12.775 --> 00:01:15.625 This is my first time doing it. I lost so much. 32 00:01:15.865 --> 00:01:18.905 I feel like I just, I don't think I can do it ever again. So 33 00:01:18.905 --> 00:01:19.905 You won your first bet? 34 00:01:20.085 --> 00:01:22.665 Mm-hmm . See, that's also what happened to me 35 00:01:22.665 --> 00:01:24.025 with my first horse race bet. 36 00:01:24.085 --> 00:01:26.265 And then I just never bet on horses again. 37 00:01:27.005 --> 00:01:29.345 See, that's the way I should have done it. Yeah. 38 00:01:29.405 --> 00:01:30.865 Now, don't get me wrong, I had a great time. 39 00:01:31.175 --> 00:01:33.105 It's Tuesday morning. We went Saturday. 40 00:01:33.725 --> 00:01:34.905 I'm still a little hungover. 41 00:01:35.425 --> 00:01:38.225 I haven't had anything to drink Sunday or Monday. like, 42 00:01:40.735 --> 00:01:41.945 Alright, well let's, let's, 43 00:01:41.945 --> 00:01:42.985 Tim, let's hear all about it. 44 00:01:43.085 --> 00:01:45.065 Tim did, uh, Tim did one of his events. 45 00:01:45.565 --> 00:01:47.065 You know, it's, uh, did he 46 00:01:47.065 --> 00:01:48.505 Fall asleep sitting upright, holding a drink? 47 00:01:50.575 --> 00:01:52.515 Pretty much. Pretty much. 48 00:01:52.855 --> 00:01:54.915 He was pretty, he was pretty sleepy at dinner, 49 00:01:55.015 --> 00:01:56.235 but he didn't fall asleep at dinner. 50 00:01:56.895 --> 00:01:59.275 But, uh, we got back to the hotel. 51 00:01:59.815 --> 00:02:01.515 Um, keep in mind we were in California. 52 00:02:01.615 --> 00:02:03.915 We had a 6 45 dinner reservation. 53 00:02:03.915 --> 00:02:07.555 So we were probably done with dinner around 7 45. 54 00:02:08.735 --> 00:02:09.915 Um, we got back to the hotel, 55 00:02:10.045 --> 00:02:11.045 Hotel. 56 00:02:11.045 --> 00:02:11.835 Wait, is this, this is Saturday night. 57 00:02:12.015 --> 00:02:14.315 Mm-hmm . Saturday night, got back hotel, post event. 58 00:02:15.025 --> 00:02:16.995 Post event. Got back to the hotel at eight 59 00:02:17.495 --> 00:02:21.355 and we were like in the top of the fifth, no, probably top 60 00:02:21.355 --> 00:02:24.075 of the seventh of game seven of the World Series. 61 00:02:24.295 --> 00:02:26.355 Mm-hmm . And went back to the room 62 00:02:26.935 --> 00:02:28.355 and it was like, this is, this is 63 00:02:28.355 --> 00:02:30.355 incredible. And Tim, we had 64 00:02:30.355 --> 00:02:33.635 Almost a full pizza still from dinner that we were like, 65 00:02:33.635 --> 00:02:34.515 we're gonna go back to the room, 66 00:02:34.525 --> 00:02:35.715 watch the game and eat. That's 67 00:02:35.735 --> 00:02:36.735 Not, not we. 68 00:02:36.735 --> 00:02:40.475 Anyways, you, I tried to keep you up and wake you up 69 00:02:40.575 --> 00:02:41.755 and tell you to pay attention. 70 00:02:41.935 --> 00:02:45.555 And all you kept saying was, I don't give a about baseball. 71 00:02:46.655 --> 00:02:49.075 i's true. Don't care. I couldn't care less. 72 00:02:49.665 --> 00:02:51.555 Stop bothering me about it's all true. 73 00:02:51.555 --> 00:02:53.915 And I'm like, this is game seven of the World Series. 74 00:02:53.945 --> 00:02:56.955 It's in extra innings. Like, this is awesome. Stay awake. 75 00:02:57.105 --> 00:03:00.085 It's eight 30. Anyways, he did not. 76 00:03:00.465 --> 00:03:03.525 Um, well, we had a great time. I had a great time. 77 00:03:03.745 --> 00:03:04.765 Did the Jays win? Um, 78 00:03:05.365 --> 00:03:06.365 I hate you Tim. 79 00:03:06.365 --> 00:03:07.565 You did not. I hate you so much. You did not. Did not. 80 00:03:07.565 --> 00:03:08.605 Because did you know that they didn't? 81 00:03:08.775 --> 00:03:10.405 We've already spoken about it this morning 82 00:03:10.745 --> 00:03:12.005 before we started recording. 83 00:03:12.355 --> 00:03:14.845 That was mean, that was cruel. And it was unusual. 84 00:03:14.905 --> 00:03:16.005 That's, and it was me. 85 00:03:16.065 --> 00:03:17.165 Here's, here's the thing. 86 00:03:17.805 --> 00:03:21.205 I, um, I, I never, I never was into baseball. Mm-hmm . 87 00:03:21.285 --> 00:03:23.805 Um, we have a very good friend who's super into baseball. 88 00:03:24.365 --> 00:03:26.405 I never could really get behind it. 89 00:03:27.665 --> 00:03:31.045 Um, I found myself falling in love 90 00:03:31.045 --> 00:03:32.045 Play. 91 00:03:32.045 --> 00:03:33.325 Sorry, was the very good friend who's super into baseball. 92 00:03:33.785 --> 00:03:36.005 Are you talking about George Steinbrenner the fourth? 93 00:03:36.395 --> 00:03:38.325 Yeah. Yeah. He likes it. How'd 94 00:03:38.325 --> 00:03:39.325 He get into it? 95 00:03:39.405 --> 00:03:42.205 I fell in love with playoff baseball and the Blue Jays 96 00:03:42.505 --> 00:03:45.365 and I feel like I could, I can be a fan of the Blue Jays 97 00:03:45.365 --> 00:03:47.005 because I'm, I'm married to a Canadian 98 00:03:47.185 --> 00:03:49.165 and most of the people in my life are Canadian. 99 00:03:49.305 --> 00:03:51.245 So I feel like it's acceptable to be a fan 100 00:03:51.245 --> 00:03:52.685 of the Blue Jays. So yes, I'm 101 00:03:53.435 --> 00:03:54.645 Currently, 'cause like, 102 00:03:55.065 --> 00:03:57.285 but I've never watched a baseball game 103 00:03:57.285 --> 00:03:59.885 before, so it's not like, I don't know. 104 00:04:00.365 --> 00:04:02.485 I had allegiances to other teams. Right. 105 00:04:02.485 --> 00:04:04.925 Like, I've never even been to a base. That's not true. 106 00:04:04.955 --> 00:04:06.805 I've been to three innings of a baseball game. 107 00:04:07.425 --> 00:04:09.925 Um, were you throwing first pitch? I was, 108 00:04:10.435 --> 00:04:11.435 yeah. , 109 00:04:12.465 --> 00:04:15.965 um, dude, look that while we're on the topic, 110 00:04:16.015 --> 00:04:17.085 we'll get back to Breeder's Cup. 111 00:04:17.085 --> 00:04:21.165 But while we're talking about the World Series, that was one 112 00:04:21.165 --> 00:04:22.925 of the most electric series 113 00:04:23.515 --> 00:04:26.245 that has happened in a long time. And I'll openly 114 00:04:26.245 --> 00:04:28.085 Admit, so I asked this question and everyone was like, no, 115 00:04:28.085 --> 00:04:30.925 no, it's usually like this, like playoff baseball. 116 00:04:30.925 --> 00:04:32.565 Like regular season baseball's, dumb 117 00:04:33.115 --> 00:04:34.405 Playoff sports, right? 118 00:04:34.515 --> 00:04:36.805 Like everything levels up. Play off hockey. 119 00:04:36.835 --> 00:04:39.165 Well, maybe not football, football seems like it's, 120 00:04:39.165 --> 00:04:40.525 if it's a good game, it's a good game. 121 00:04:40.545 --> 00:04:42.245 But like playoff, hockey's a different level. 122 00:04:42.245 --> 00:04:44.085 Playoff baseball is a different level for sure. 123 00:04:44.665 --> 00:04:46.725 Um, playoff nascar, we'll get to that. 124 00:04:47.225 --> 00:04:51.045 Um, anyway, I, so, you know, 125 00:04:51.125 --> 00:04:52.405 I grew up in the Toronto area. 126 00:04:52.905 --> 00:04:54.925 My family had season tickets to the Jays. 127 00:04:54.985 --> 00:04:59.045 We used to go to 20 games a year and I loved it as a kid. 128 00:04:59.225 --> 00:05:01.845 We were there for, you know, not like in the stadium. 129 00:05:02.665 --> 00:05:03.725 The parents took the tickets 130 00:05:03.955 --> 00:05:05.085 when they were in the World Series. 131 00:05:05.245 --> 00:05:08.965 I went to a World Series game, um, you know, 132 00:05:09.045 --> 00:05:11.885 when I was a kid, loved the team, loved everything. 133 00:05:12.225 --> 00:05:14.245 And honestly what happened for me was, I don't you, 134 00:05:14.245 --> 00:05:16.045 I dunno if you know this, Alex, in 1994, 135 00:05:16.045 --> 00:05:17.245 there was a player strike 136 00:05:17.865 --> 00:05:19.685 and baseball didn't run for a year. 137 00:05:20.865 --> 00:05:23.245 So the Jays won the championship in 92 138 00:05:23.345 --> 00:05:26.445 and 93, the World Series in 92, 93. 139 00:05:26.445 --> 00:05:27.685 And then baseball stopped. 140 00:05:28.345 --> 00:05:29.885 And when we came back a year later, 141 00:05:30.055 --> 00:05:31.125 everything was different. 142 00:05:31.125 --> 00:05:32.645 We weren't as good. And the, 143 00:05:32.645 --> 00:05:35.285 the whole strike put a sour taste in a lot of people's mouth 144 00:05:35.285 --> 00:05:36.565 and they kind of turned 'em off baseball. 145 00:05:36.565 --> 00:05:38.405 And, and I was just kind of one of 'em. 146 00:05:38.405 --> 00:05:40.685 It was also right around the time I discovered go-karting. 147 00:05:40.685 --> 00:05:42.325 And so a lot of my priorities changed. 148 00:05:42.525 --> 00:05:45.245 I kind of fell out of love with baseball for a while. 149 00:05:46.065 --> 00:05:49.325 And I guess a little shamefully it took, 150 00:05:49.325 --> 00:05:51.125 the Jays getting really good for me 151 00:05:51.145 --> 00:05:52.205 to kind of get back there. 152 00:05:52.425 --> 00:05:55.525 But this, this off season, sorry, this playoff season 153 00:05:56.145 --> 00:05:57.965 has really made me fall back in love. 154 00:05:58.025 --> 00:05:59.605 Not just with the Js but with baseball. 155 00:05:59.675 --> 00:06:02.765 Like, I understand the game now so much more than I did 156 00:06:02.765 --> 00:06:05.045 as a kid in, in my career. 157 00:06:05.365 --> 00:06:06.645 I got to meet a bunch of players 158 00:06:06.985 --> 00:06:08.605 and being friends with them, 159 00:06:08.875 --> 00:06:10.325 I've learned more about the game anyway. 160 00:06:10.325 --> 00:06:12.165 And so now having kind of like a reason to watch 161 00:06:12.265 --> 00:06:13.365 and an understanding of 162 00:06:13.365 --> 00:06:16.085 what I'm watching has made the whole thing a lot more fun. 163 00:06:16.745 --> 00:06:18.725 So I'm, I'm back man base. 164 00:06:18.795 --> 00:06:21.645 This World Series got me like back in love with baseball 165 00:06:21.825 --> 00:06:23.485 and I am all on board. 166 00:06:24.025 --> 00:06:27.125 Um, again, 162 games is way too many games. 167 00:06:27.265 --> 00:06:28.845 I'm not gonna pretend like I'm gonna watch all those, 168 00:06:29.065 --> 00:06:31.165 but, uh, I'm definitely gonna be paying more attention 169 00:06:31.385 --> 00:06:33.765 and supporting the team in a huge way. 170 00:06:34.025 --> 00:06:36.005 And I am happy about that 171 00:06:36.485 --> 00:06:37.805 'cause it really brings Canada together. 172 00:06:38.385 --> 00:06:39.565 And I include you in that. Alex, 173 00:06:40.025 --> 00:06:41.325 as an honor Canadian. Thanks man. Thanks 174 00:06:41.325 --> 00:06:42.325 Man. 175 00:06:42.325 --> 00:06:43.605 You, no, you brought up a good point when we were together 176 00:06:43.785 --> 00:06:48.405 the other night where like, it does bring Canada 177 00:06:48.925 --> 00:06:50.885 together because there's, there's one team, right? 178 00:06:50.885 --> 00:06:53.085 You look at Canada as a country 179 00:06:53.085 --> 00:06:54.645 and there's a bunch of hockey teams and everything, 180 00:06:54.705 --> 00:06:56.685 but you can be on the west coast of Vancouver 181 00:06:56.825 --> 00:06:58.165 and see someone wearing a Jay's 182 00:06:58.165 --> 00:06:59.325 hat and be like, wait a second. 183 00:06:59.425 --> 00:07:03.685 And then realize, oh wait, yeah, no, you cheer for them too 184 00:07:03.755 --> 00:07:05.805 because you're in Canada, right? 185 00:07:05.825 --> 00:07:07.005 Um, so no, this is like a 186 00:07:07.005 --> 00:07:09.325 Toronto guy that's in Vancouver, that's a Vancouver guy 187 00:07:09.325 --> 00:07:11.605 who just loves the, the Jay's. Yeah. 188 00:07:11.705 --> 00:07:13.205 And I, and I also just, um, 189 00:07:13.845 --> 00:07:15.645 I thought the storyline was cool. 190 00:07:15.705 --> 00:07:19.045 You know, you've got the Dodgers, which are the, 191 00:07:20.145 --> 00:07:21.765 the benchmark of everything, right? 192 00:07:22.065 --> 00:07:24.365 And the pen spend money of baseball 193 00:07:24.625 --> 00:07:26.485 and they, they have, you know, the, 194 00:07:26.545 --> 00:07:27.805 the highest profile players 195 00:07:28.065 --> 00:07:31.045 and they've got all of the pedigree and everything. 196 00:07:31.505 --> 00:07:34.965 And then you have the Jays who maybe were this team 197 00:07:34.965 --> 00:07:36.405 that was supposed to get blown out 198 00:07:36.505 --> 00:07:38.925 and it was this kind of David versus Goliath story 199 00:07:39.065 --> 00:07:41.685 and it came down to Extra Indians of, of Game seven, 200 00:07:41.685 --> 00:07:44.285 which is just why it was Yeah, that you're right. 201 00:07:44.285 --> 00:07:46.165 That's why it was such an electric series is 202 00:07:46.245 --> 00:07:48.285 'cause the backstory of the teams. 203 00:07:48.425 --> 00:07:50.445 It wasn't Dodgers Yankees, right? 204 00:07:50.465 --> 00:07:52.805 It was, it was Dodgers, blue Jays who, 205 00:07:52.805 --> 00:07:54.125 who have had a, a drought for a while. 206 00:07:54.125 --> 00:07:58.245 Anyways, um, very cool, uh, loved it. 207 00:07:58.595 --> 00:08:01.005 Breeder's Cup. Quick summary, um, 208 00:08:01.235 --> 00:08:02.845 with all this, I wish I would've seen it. 209 00:08:03.025 --> 00:08:06.485 You should have kept me up. Okay, Tim. Alright. 210 00:08:06.485 --> 00:08:08.565 So Breeder's Cup, your horse was not there. 211 00:08:08.825 --> 00:08:09.845 My horse was not there. 212 00:08:10.145 --> 00:08:12.165 Um, but it was, it was very cool 213 00:08:12.165 --> 00:08:15.565 because there was a lot of, there was a lot 214 00:08:15.565 --> 00:08:16.845 of storylines going into it. 215 00:08:17.185 --> 00:08:21.805 Um, so the, the Breeder's Cup classic, the main race, um, 216 00:08:22.185 --> 00:08:26.325 you had the returning podium finish from last year. 217 00:08:27.585 --> 00:08:30.485 You had, um, the, 218 00:08:30.855 --> 00:08:33.845 going into the event you had essentially a, a horse 219 00:08:33.875 --> 00:08:37.945 that was unbeatable, um, who unfortunately 220 00:08:39.085 --> 00:08:43.465 was scratched, um, by the vets going into the race. 221 00:08:43.465 --> 00:08:46.345 And, and this was kind of a, a big topic of discussion 222 00:08:47.245 --> 00:08:49.025 and there's, there's two sides to it. 223 00:08:49.485 --> 00:08:52.495 Um, and I'm, I'm firmly on one side. 224 00:08:52.675 --> 00:08:57.605 So for the past five-ish years, um, 225 00:08:57.695 --> 00:09:00.605 horse racing has, has taken a, a huge 226 00:09:01.275 --> 00:09:03.525 step in initiative in protecting the horses. 227 00:09:04.185 --> 00:09:06.205 Um, because there was a period of time where 228 00:09:07.025 --> 00:09:08.565 horses can't talk, right? 229 00:09:08.785 --> 00:09:12.005 So even if a horse what they can now, no. 230 00:09:12.305 --> 00:09:15.405 But even if a horse appeared to be normal, um, 231 00:09:15.465 --> 00:09:16.765 and with all of the money and, 232 00:09:16.765 --> 00:09:19.645 and the stakes that are on the line for, for everyone, uh, 233 00:09:19.645 --> 00:09:22.885 trainers, owners, jockeys, et cetera, um, 234 00:09:24.055 --> 00:09:25.965 there was incidents that were happening and, 235 00:09:25.985 --> 00:09:29.245 and horses, when they get injured, like you don't, you, 236 00:09:29.265 --> 00:09:30.485 you don't really fix 'em, right? 237 00:09:30.505 --> 00:09:33.045 If a right, if a horse breaks its leg, it's, it's, it's kind 238 00:09:33.365 --> 00:09:35.365 of a, a life altering situation. 239 00:09:36.345 --> 00:09:39.725 And so there was, um, 240 00:09:39.725 --> 00:09:43.925 introduced was independent vets, um, into the sport where 241 00:09:46.045 --> 00:09:49.555 every single day, every single horse is evaluated 242 00:09:49.555 --> 00:09:50.635 by independent vets. 243 00:09:50.655 --> 00:09:52.795 And that involves blood work. 244 00:09:53.025 --> 00:09:56.915 That involves visually watching them behave in their 245 00:09:56.915 --> 00:09:58.115 stall and walking around. 246 00:09:58.735 --> 00:10:02.395 It involves scans on their legs and everything. 247 00:10:02.855 --> 00:10:05.595 And it is to, they have to sign a, 248 00:10:05.825 --> 00:10:07.755 basically approval for them to go race. 249 00:10:07.865 --> 00:10:11.035 Well the main, the, the big daddy horse, 250 00:10:11.095 --> 00:10:13.515 his name was Sovereignty, he was the, the heavy favorite. 251 00:10:13.655 --> 00:10:15.555 He had beaten everyone. 252 00:10:16.015 --> 00:10:18.315 He was a, he won the derby, I believe. 253 00:10:18.315 --> 00:10:21.515 Um, so he was he the right horse? 254 00:10:23.095 --> 00:10:26.475 And he had a fever when he arrived in Del Mar, um, from, 255 00:10:27.145 --> 00:10:28.395 from Kentucky I believe. 256 00:10:29.655 --> 00:10:32.595 And this was three days before the race. 257 00:10:32.975 --> 00:10:35.155 And it was just a fever. He was acting completely fine. 258 00:10:35.155 --> 00:10:37.715 He was eating. That's a big sign of whether a horse is sick 259 00:10:37.715 --> 00:10:39.155 or not, is, you know, if they've stopped eating 260 00:10:39.215 --> 00:10:40.835 or whatever, he was behaving fine, 261 00:10:40.835 --> 00:10:43.715 eating fine fever, blood work was ran. 262 00:10:43.775 --> 00:10:45.795 He had a small, like cold, 263 00:10:45.795 --> 00:10:47.395 essentially like a small infection. 264 00:10:47.695 --> 00:10:49.595 And they pulled it and they're like, absolutely not. 265 00:10:50.495 --> 00:10:53.675 Um, and that came under a lot of scrutiny 266 00:10:53.825 --> 00:10:56.155 because it was like this, this horse could run 267 00:10:56.745 --> 00:11:00.235 because he's not, he has a cold, there's a lot of athletes 268 00:11:00.235 --> 00:11:02.155 that perform just fine with a cold 269 00:11:02.735 --> 00:11:05.755 and his fever had reduced by the time the race came around 270 00:11:06.255 --> 00:11:07.515 and they didn't let him run. 271 00:11:08.495 --> 00:11:10.515 And I think that that is 272 00:11:11.175 --> 00:11:13.635 an incredible stance. 273 00:11:14.305 --> 00:11:16.355 Obviously if I was an owner of that horse 274 00:11:16.375 --> 00:11:19.035 or the trainer of that horse, would I feel that way? 275 00:11:19.515 --> 00:11:21.235 Probably not. But I think ultimately 276 00:11:22.255 --> 00:11:24.595 in these situations you have to have a black 277 00:11:24.595 --> 00:11:26.035 and white sort of line. 278 00:11:26.175 --> 00:11:27.315 And there's no gray area. 279 00:11:27.465 --> 00:11:30.515 It's like the horse either meets the requirements and, 280 00:11:30.575 --> 00:11:33.355 and the health conditions at the timeline 281 00:11:33.355 --> 00:11:34.875 that we specify or he doesn't. 282 00:11:34.885 --> 00:11:37.835 Right? There's no judgment call made by someone. 283 00:11:38.105 --> 00:11:41.275 It's yes or no. And are there 284 00:11:41.275 --> 00:11:42.395 still incidents in horse racing? 285 00:11:42.455 --> 00:11:45.515 Of course. But has it gone down drastically? It has. 286 00:11:45.655 --> 00:11:48.315 And I think that that's just a really good thing 287 00:11:48.665 --> 00:11:53.075 that takes a lot of effort, um, to, 288 00:11:53.785 --> 00:11:57.605 to actually execute and and protect the animals. 289 00:11:57.605 --> 00:12:00.405 So anyways, um, just wanted to get that out there. 290 00:12:00.755 --> 00:12:02.525 Otherwise it was an amazing event. 291 00:12:02.785 --> 00:12:07.325 The horse that won was, um, a horse from Japan who, 292 00:12:07.745 --> 00:12:12.215 uh, finished third in the race last 293 00:12:12.215 --> 00:12:13.375 year in the Breeders Cup. 294 00:12:13.595 --> 00:12:15.535 But everyone kind of thought he was a little bit robbed. 295 00:12:15.955 --> 00:12:18.015 He finished second in the derby. 296 00:12:18.685 --> 00:12:21.015 He's been like kind of there thereabouts 297 00:12:21.015 --> 00:12:22.935 and grade one stakes races. 298 00:12:23.475 --> 00:12:26.415 Um, but like a Japanese horses had never really been able 299 00:12:26.415 --> 00:12:28.975 to break through on the US stage for whatever reason. 300 00:12:29.715 --> 00:12:33.655 And so Japanese horse won a Japanese pitcher, 301 00:12:34.355 --> 00:12:36.455 won a Japanese hitter. 302 00:12:36.515 --> 00:12:39.055 It was big day for Japan. Uh, big weekend for Japan. Yeah. 303 00:12:39.055 --> 00:12:42.055 So, um, big sports, a very cool event. We had a great time. 304 00:12:42.195 --> 00:12:43.655 Tim got introduced to horse racing 305 00:12:44.115 --> 00:12:46.535 and all in all it was, I got 306 00:12:46.535 --> 00:12:49.335 to see my favorite horse run in his last race. 307 00:12:49.715 --> 00:12:52.895 Um, he's off to stud and, and have his retirement. 308 00:12:53.345 --> 00:12:55.975 Who's that? Which is cool. His name is Fierceness. 309 00:12:56.675 --> 00:13:00.175 He is fierceness second most successful 310 00:13:00.955 --> 00:13:03.855 three-year-old Colt in US horse racing history 311 00:13:04.345 --> 00:13:06.135 After Sea Biscuit. Um, 312 00:13:06.795 --> 00:13:10.215 No, after I think Sierra Leone. 313 00:13:11.315 --> 00:13:14.735 Sierra Leone. Hmm. So not the country. 314 00:13:14.825 --> 00:13:17.095 Jokes aside from me earlier. I had a blast. 315 00:13:17.155 --> 00:13:19.655 It was really cool. Thank you again, Alex, for including me. 316 00:13:19.915 --> 00:13:22.855 It was this awesome event, great weekend. 317 00:13:23.395 --> 00:13:25.335 We had a good Halloween with Hazel. 318 00:13:26.155 --> 00:13:27.615 Got to meet Elizabeth Banks 319 00:13:27.675 --> 00:13:29.495 and Brian Baumgartner from the office. 320 00:13:30.515 --> 00:13:32.135 It was, uh, yeah, it was really cool. 321 00:13:32.735 --> 00:13:34.055 I wanna touch on that for a sec. 322 00:13:34.435 --> 00:13:38.175 So you were introduced to this woman in your area, 323 00:13:38.495 --> 00:13:40.335 I guess wherever you guys were hanging out and 324 00:13:40.335 --> 00:13:41.695 You started, he just, he was just talking 325 00:13:41.695 --> 00:13:43.495 to p random people and then he turned to me. 326 00:13:43.595 --> 00:13:44.815 He was like, I think that's 327 00:13:44.815 --> 00:13:46.615 Elizabeth Banks. And I said, which 328 00:13:46.975 --> 00:13:48.895 I didn't realize until she started talking 329 00:13:49.175 --> 00:13:50.415 'cause she was wearing big glasses. 330 00:13:51.245 --> 00:13:53.615 Like I was just talking to the people around us, 331 00:13:53.785 --> 00:13:56.375 which really I think annoyed Alex throughout the day. 332 00:13:56.565 --> 00:13:58.735 Well, he's a big fan of talking to strangers. 333 00:13:58.735 --> 00:14:01.815 We know that. Um, so you're just talking to random people. 334 00:14:02.155 --> 00:14:05.135 One of them happens to be Elizabeth Banks, you find out 335 00:14:05.145 --> 00:14:06.575 after initiating conversation. 336 00:14:07.195 --> 00:14:09.615 Um, I'm just wondering if it was as, 337 00:14:10.885 --> 00:14:13.525 I guess you realized it this time, I, I just, 338 00:14:13.645 --> 00:14:16.325 I always bring this back to your time where you tried 339 00:14:16.325 --> 00:14:17.765 to pick up Lady Gaga at a bar, 340 00:14:17.765 --> 00:14:18.925 not knowing she was Lady Gaga . 341 00:14:19.595 --> 00:14:20.885 Yeah. That was less that, 342 00:14:21.115 --> 00:14:24.365 that it was just general actual conversation about, 343 00:14:24.615 --> 00:14:25.645 about the ponies. 344 00:14:26.015 --> 00:14:27.245 Right. About the ponies . 345 00:14:28.185 --> 00:14:30.245 And uh, and then you just sort of established 346 00:14:30.275 --> 00:14:31.605 that she was Elizabeth Banks. 347 00:14:31.605 --> 00:14:33.165 Did you ever like, corroborate it? 348 00:14:33.225 --> 00:14:35.725 Did you say like, Hey, you look Yeah, familiar. 349 00:14:36.105 --> 00:14:37.285 So I will I go to Alex? 350 00:14:37.805 --> 00:14:39.565 I was like, pretty sure that girl I've been talking 351 00:14:39.565 --> 00:14:40.765 to is Elizabeth Banks. 352 00:14:41.285 --> 00:14:44.645 He was like, yes, that would make sense given the context of 353 00:14:44.645 --> 00:14:46.325 where we are right now mm-hmm . 354 00:14:46.405 --> 00:14:50.445 And I was like, okay, is it okay for somewhere like here 355 00:14:50.445 --> 00:14:52.245 for me to ask her for a photo? 356 00:14:52.705 --> 00:14:54.685 Mm-hmm . And he was like, he thought about it, he goes, 357 00:14:54.995 --> 00:14:56.565 wait till after this race. 358 00:14:57.105 --> 00:15:00.945 So after the race, and she's there with like a group right. 359 00:15:00.945 --> 00:15:03.705 Including her dad who I'm now talking to. 360 00:15:04.325 --> 00:15:06.625 And I was just like, Hey, weird question. 361 00:15:07.445 --> 00:15:11.145 Are you Elizabeth Banks? And she was like, yes. 362 00:15:11.585 --> 00:15:15.545 I was like, ah, cool. Could I have a photo ? 363 00:15:16.525 --> 00:15:17.665 And she's like, of course. 364 00:15:18.365 --> 00:15:19.465 And then, but that like, 365 00:15:19.845 --> 00:15:21.505 but I sh obviously I shouldn't have, right? 366 00:15:21.505 --> 00:15:23.505 Because we had been talking for like 15 minutes 367 00:15:23.565 --> 00:15:24.945 and that just completely ended it. 368 00:15:25.055 --> 00:15:27.505 That was just like that. And here are the last words. 369 00:15:27.565 --> 00:15:29.385 We will speak to each other. Yeah. 370 00:15:29.385 --> 00:15:30.985 Mm-hmm . But you got your photo. 371 00:15:31.325 --> 00:15:35.105 Um, I did, I I was really hoping you were gonna say when 372 00:15:35.105 --> 00:15:36.185 she said, yes I am. 373 00:15:36.935 --> 00:15:38.105 Good gig. If you can get it. 374 00:15:38.845 --> 00:15:41.625 Oh, I should have, which famously you're lying to Lady Gaga, 375 00:15:41.625 --> 00:15:43.345 which you asked what she did for a living. 376 00:15:43.565 --> 00:15:45.425 And she said, well, I'm Lady Gaga. 377 00:15:45.925 --> 00:15:48.305 I'm sorry. Good Tim. Much funnier Tim in seriousness. 378 00:15:48.925 --> 00:15:50.505 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. We were at an 379 00:15:50.505 --> 00:15:52.345 after party at Indy and Yeah, yeah. 380 00:15:53.245 --> 00:15:54.305 You're Hear the story. Sorry. 381 00:15:55.005 --> 00:15:57.105 She, she went up to Yeah, you were busy. 382 00:15:57.565 --> 00:16:00.865 She went up to the bar and Tim was also at the bar 383 00:16:01.445 --> 00:16:04.385 and I mean, she was like wearing uh, you know, 384 00:16:04.385 --> 00:16:05.745 black T-shirt and jean shorts. 385 00:16:05.745 --> 00:16:07.105 Like she was just dressed like a normal person. 386 00:16:07.105 --> 00:16:09.145 We did, we did numerous shots together, 387 00:16:09.595 --> 00:16:10.595 Right? 388 00:16:10.595 --> 00:16:12.585 And so they were just chatting at the bar, ordering drinks. 389 00:16:12.645 --> 00:16:13.825 And he got to the point where he was like, 390 00:16:13.825 --> 00:16:14.865 so what do you do for a living ? 391 00:16:15.185 --> 00:16:17.265 And she goes, I'm leaving Kaka. 392 00:16:17.685 --> 00:16:21.145 And typical then the, the horror sets in of what he's done 393 00:16:21.145 --> 00:16:22.225 and the mistake that he's made. 394 00:16:22.405 --> 00:16:24.145 And he just goes, good gig. 395 00:16:24.145 --> 00:16:25.785 If you can get it, have a good night. 396 00:16:25.835 --> 00:16:27.225 Takes his drinks and walks off . 397 00:16:28.855 --> 00:16:30.025 It's one of my five favorite 398 00:16:30.025 --> 00:16:31.025 Stories. 399 00:16:31.025 --> 00:16:31.265 I told story so many times. I, I've told 400 00:16:31.265 --> 00:16:33.865 that story numerous times on this podcast, , it's, 401 00:16:33.975 --> 00:16:34.975 It's still one of my favorites. 402 00:16:35.065 --> 00:16:36.065 I don't, I don't listen to you, 403 00:16:36.065 --> 00:16:36.785 Tina doesn't listen to this podcast. 404 00:16:36.815 --> 00:16:39.425 It's fair. Even while we're recording it. 405 00:16:40.045 --> 00:16:44.585 Um, well good, I'm glad you guys had a, a fun weekend 406 00:16:45.085 --> 00:16:48.785 and, uh, congrats to who won again. Japan's 407 00:16:49.525 --> 00:16:50.545 Uh, forever Young 408 00:16:50.895 --> 00:16:54.805 Forever Young great song. Um, 409 00:16:55.675 --> 00:16:57.005 Halloween was also great. 410 00:16:57.115 --> 00:16:59.965 Alex looked amazing in his costume. Well 411 00:16:59.965 --> 00:17:00.965 Yeah. 412 00:17:00.965 --> 00:17:01.285 'cause you couldn't see his face. Oh, 413 00:17:01.285 --> 00:17:02.285 Exactly. 414 00:17:02.285 --> 00:17:04.485 So here's a, here's, here's a funny story, James. 415 00:17:05.155 --> 00:17:08.645 Okay. So I ordered a Halloween costume to mm-hmm . 416 00:17:08.785 --> 00:17:11.445 Tim Taos because I I wasn't gonna travel 417 00:17:11.445 --> 00:17:12.725 with it, right, right. 418 00:17:12.865 --> 00:17:14.165 And it was like, we're going trick or cheese. 419 00:17:14.165 --> 00:17:15.765 So I was like, okay. So we'd run upstairs 420 00:17:15.765 --> 00:17:16.845 and put our costume on. 421 00:17:17.445 --> 00:17:21.285 I try for eight minutes to get the shirt on 422 00:17:21.465 --> 00:17:24.645 and I, I cannot, like, it is, it is far too small. 423 00:17:24.845 --> 00:17:28.325 I ordered a large, I guess I needed an XXL 424 00:17:28.875 --> 00:17:32.165 Halloween costumes run small, the pants barely fit. 425 00:17:32.665 --> 00:17:35.485 The pumpkin head was fine, but like the shirt didn't work. 426 00:17:35.485 --> 00:17:39.325 And I was like, well I I all just wear the pumpkin head 427 00:17:39.345 --> 00:17:41.005 and normal clothes and like that's good enough. 428 00:17:41.005 --> 00:17:42.645 We're just walking around the neighborhood. 429 00:17:42.675 --> 00:17:43.805 It's not like some contest. 430 00:17:45.105 --> 00:17:48.245 And um, before we were about to go out the door, I was like, 431 00:17:48.245 --> 00:17:52.165 Tim, you wouldn't, you wouldn't happen to have like anything 432 00:17:52.675 --> 00:17:53.845 that resembles this. 433 00:17:54.625 --> 00:17:56.505 He was like, I might. 434 00:17:57.485 --> 00:18:01.585 And the second drawer he opens is essentially the exact 435 00:18:01.585 --> 00:18:02.705 thing that I needed. 436 00:18:03.325 --> 00:18:06.945 And I was like, of this is the only house of any 437 00:18:06.965 --> 00:18:08.785 of my friends that I could ever go to 438 00:18:09.015 --> 00:18:10.385 that yes could pull this off. 439 00:18:10.925 --> 00:18:12.945 Yes. Yes. That is, uh, it 440 00:18:12.945 --> 00:18:14.225 Did have a little bunny tail on 441 00:18:14.225 --> 00:18:15.265 the back of it though. Well, 442 00:18:15.805 --> 00:18:20.225 But the front looked the same . Anyways, 443 00:18:20.635 --> 00:18:22.305 There was nothing surprise to me about that. 444 00:18:22.845 --> 00:18:24.425 It has nothing that surprised me about that. 445 00:18:25.525 --> 00:18:28.945 Um, You know what I was thinking too, over the weekend, 446 00:18:29.185 --> 00:18:30.585 'cause obviously we had daylight savings time 447 00:18:31.095 --> 00:18:33.225 here in the good old North America. 448 00:18:34.335 --> 00:18:37.025 Well yeah. Kind of a how do we feel about it, 449 00:18:37.085 --> 00:18:40.425 but b can we just talk about like how much harder it was 450 00:18:40.445 --> 00:18:43.505 to not miss the next day before all phones 451 00:18:43.765 --> 00:18:45.545 and clocks just changed themselves? 452 00:18:45.735 --> 00:18:47.145 Like you had to be very aware 453 00:18:47.145 --> 00:18:48.345 that it was daylight savings time. 454 00:18:48.415 --> 00:18:50.985 Make the conscious effort to reset your clock 455 00:18:51.045 --> 00:18:53.905 to the right time or set your ar your alarm 456 00:18:54.005 --> 00:18:55.625 for the appropriate hour earlier 457 00:18:55.725 --> 00:18:57.225 or later or whichever way it was going. 458 00:18:57.325 --> 00:18:58.745 Not in this situation. You would just be, 459 00:18:58.805 --> 00:19:01.305 be there aggressively early. Well 460 00:19:01.305 --> 00:19:02.945 Say Yeah, but either way, right? Like 461 00:19:03.555 --> 00:19:04.345 Right. I 462 00:19:04.345 --> 00:19:05.425 Just wanna know who's still, 463 00:19:05.635 --> 00:19:08.425 Who's asking for this still, why are we still doing this? 464 00:19:08.765 --> 00:19:11.145 We do need to, to stop this, but what do 465 00:19:11.145 --> 00:19:12.985 They even care anymore? I 466 00:19:12.985 --> 00:19:14.425 Think so they just follow the sun 467 00:19:14.825 --> 00:19:15.945 regardless of what the time is. 468 00:19:16.365 --> 00:19:17.705 No, because it, you're 469 00:19:17.705 --> 00:19:18.705 Growing stuff. 470 00:19:18.705 --> 00:19:19.225 Times are the amount of, 471 00:19:19.645 --> 00:19:23.785 No, the amount of hours in the morning 472 00:19:24.055 --> 00:19:26.825 that would be in darkness otherwise. 473 00:19:27.465 --> 00:19:29.505 'cause they gotta like have stuff out the door 474 00:19:29.645 --> 00:19:31.865 for deliveries by a certain time. 475 00:19:31.875 --> 00:19:35.505 Right. And so when the days get shorter 476 00:19:36.005 --> 00:19:39.505 by moving the time back, it allows them 477 00:19:39.505 --> 00:19:42.025 to have a bit more daylight in the morning. Public 478 00:19:42.025 --> 00:19:46.225 Support for eliminating the practice is 62 to 74% 479 00:19:46.225 --> 00:19:48.185 of the US according to recent polling. 480 00:19:48.385 --> 00:19:51.265 I would love if there are any farmers listening, 481 00:19:51.605 --> 00:19:53.825 if we have any farmer fans to chime in on this. 482 00:19:53.965 --> 00:19:55.065 Uh, that's a hundred percent message. 483 00:19:55.065 --> 00:19:57.305 Why it message Tim on Twitter? I would love to know if 484 00:19:57.305 --> 00:20:01.665 that is accurate and if that is why we do it. 485 00:20:01.665 --> 00:20:04.065 And also if you are still in support of it 486 00:20:04.165 --> 00:20:05.425 or if there are workarounds 487 00:20:05.455 --> 00:20:08.825 because it is a weird practice, um, 488 00:20:09.445 --> 00:20:10.825 in a lot of ways for a lot of reasons. 489 00:20:10.925 --> 00:20:12.505 But hey, if, if you guys need it, 490 00:20:12.525 --> 00:20:15.145 it doesn't really actually affect me all that much. 491 00:20:15.565 --> 00:20:18.585 So, or really anybody. It's just a minor inconvenience. 492 00:20:18.645 --> 00:20:21.225 So if it actually has some real impact on the farming 493 00:20:21.235 --> 00:20:22.785 world, I say we keep it. 494 00:20:23.485 --> 00:20:25.785 Um, I also was doing a lot of like, 495 00:20:25.945 --> 00:20:27.185 'cause I've been home for like a week 496 00:20:27.185 --> 00:20:28.425 for the first time since May. 497 00:20:28.565 --> 00:20:30.945 As you and I were talking about Alex longest 498 00:20:30.945 --> 00:20:32.065 stretch in my house. 499 00:20:32.085 --> 00:20:34.665 And that amount of time leads to doing a little bit of like, 500 00:20:34.765 --> 00:20:37.225 you know, chores around the house and cleaning some stuff up 501 00:20:37.245 --> 00:20:38.585 and fixing some stuff or whatever. 502 00:20:39.405 --> 00:20:41.425 So we go to Lowe's to buy some stuff 503 00:20:42.725 --> 00:20:43.865 to fix things around the house. 504 00:20:44.245 --> 00:20:46.785 And then one of the things wasn't right, so you go back 505 00:20:46.785 --> 00:20:48.515 to Lowe's and you return it 506 00:20:48.515 --> 00:20:51.475 and you're like, cool, I'm getting X dollars back. 507 00:20:51.985 --> 00:20:55.115 That feels nice. But then from the walk 508 00:20:55.115 --> 00:20:57.435 to the return from the returns back to the exit, 509 00:20:57.645 --> 00:20:59.475 especially if you have Becky with you, 510 00:21:00.255 --> 00:21:02.075 you end up collecting a few more things 511 00:21:02.575 --> 00:21:04.035 and then when you go to check out again, 512 00:21:04.415 --> 00:21:07.355 you've now spent more than you returned 513 00:21:07.495 --> 00:21:08.515 and you're still net down. 514 00:21:09.055 --> 00:21:10.475 And then we go home and something in 515 00:21:10.475 --> 00:21:11.675 that batch of things wasn't right. 516 00:21:11.695 --> 00:21:13.315 So I got to go back to Lowe's again 517 00:21:13.455 --> 00:21:14.835 and return something and I was like, yay. 518 00:21:14.835 --> 00:21:16.755 Money back until I walked back to the store 519 00:21:16.815 --> 00:21:19.155 and collected more stuff and left money down again. 520 00:21:19.225 --> 00:21:20.955 It's quite a, quite a system they've got there. 521 00:21:21.295 --> 00:21:24.755 But there's also something about like when you something 522 00:21:24.775 --> 00:21:25.915 and you get that money back, 523 00:21:26.055 --> 00:21:28.115 it is like having money you never had before. 524 00:21:28.665 --> 00:21:31.195 It's, and I don't know what that is. It's like, because 525 00:21:31.195 --> 00:21:32.955 I just Returned something from Amazon 526 00:21:33.215 --> 00:21:36.355 and it was like 85 bucks I didn't have, yeah, let's go out 527 00:21:36.355 --> 00:21:37.115 Because you had already 528 00:21:37.115 --> 00:21:38.555 committed that money, that money was gone. 529 00:21:38.615 --> 00:21:40.235 You were never seeing it again. You didn't need it. 530 00:21:40.295 --> 00:21:42.435 You had accepted that it was not something that you needed 531 00:21:42.435 --> 00:21:44.955 to survive and now it's just magically 532 00:21:44.955 --> 00:21:46.195 back and that's a cool feeling. 533 00:21:46.775 --> 00:21:49.235 But yeah, then you go and spend even more and 534 00:21:50.055 --> 00:21:51.675 Can I return sports betting tickets? 535 00:21:52.615 --> 00:21:53.955 You may not do that. 536 00:21:57.855 --> 00:22:01.315 Oh, okay. Before we get to the NASCAR race, which 537 00:22:01.955 --> 00:22:03.875 I think will be important, but it'll also be 538 00:22:03.955 --> 00:22:05.155 a somewhat lengthy discussion. 539 00:22:05.615 --> 00:22:07.155 Uh, couple small things. 540 00:22:07.995 --> 00:22:11.785 RLL announced that Cal Sagan 541 00:22:11.785 --> 00:22:14.745 and Brian Barnhart are leaving McLaren 542 00:22:14.745 --> 00:22:16.665 and heading over there, which is interesting. 543 00:22:17.405 --> 00:22:18.545 Uh, Alex, you 544 00:22:18.545 --> 00:22:22.225 and I have both worked with certainly Brian directly. 545 00:22:22.685 --> 00:22:25.815 Um, and you, was Kyle there when you were there? 546 00:22:25.925 --> 00:22:27.495 Kyle was there when you were there, right? Mm-hmm . Yeah. 547 00:22:27.495 --> 00:22:30.815 Mm-hmm . Didn't, yeah, it's gonna be, it's a good get for, 548 00:22:30.875 --> 00:22:33.535 uh, RLLA lot of respect for both those guys. 549 00:22:33.735 --> 00:22:35.455 A lot of, uh, a lot of years in the sport. 550 00:22:35.455 --> 00:22:37.535 Obviously we've talked about Brian a lot on this show. 551 00:22:37.535 --> 00:22:38.655 We've had Brian on this show. 552 00:22:38.995 --> 00:22:41.535 Um, we've had Kyle on this show, haven't we? No. 553 00:22:41.535 --> 00:22:42.695 Didn't meet Kyle on once to 554 00:22:42.695 --> 00:22:44.655 Talk about no Pit stop stuff. 555 00:22:45.095 --> 00:22:49.175 I don't think so. Um, I I'm curious if it was a 556 00:22:49.685 --> 00:22:50.815 package deal 557 00:22:51.805 --> 00:22:55.575 because it's, I don't know, it's weird for them both 558 00:22:55.595 --> 00:23:00.415 to leave McLaren and then immediately show up at the 559 00:23:00.415 --> 00:23:01.415 Same thing at the same place. 560 00:23:01.525 --> 00:23:04.695 Yeah. Yeah. Um, which if it is fine. 561 00:23:05.395 --> 00:23:09.375 Um, also there's a lot of people leaving McLaren. 562 00:23:09.375 --> 00:23:11.055 It's, it's, it's kind of interesting, um, 563 00:23:11.715 --> 00:23:16.175 and I don't really know why, like my, my front end mechanic, 564 00:23:16.755 --> 00:23:19.935 um, for the two years that I was there, uh, was 565 00:23:20.155 --> 00:23:22.255 who was incredible and it was like on a fast track 566 00:23:22.275 --> 00:23:23.975 to become a crew chief. 567 00:23:24.195 --> 00:23:28.375 Uh, got moved to the five car this past year, 568 00:23:28.515 --> 00:23:30.815 it was on the rear end and won a bunch of races 569 00:23:30.915 --> 00:23:32.415 and finished second in the championship. 570 00:23:32.595 --> 00:23:33.735 And you would've thought 571 00:23:33.735 --> 00:23:35.975 that he thought racing was pretty cool, 572 00:23:35.975 --> 00:23:38.975 especially on the career trajectory that he was on. 573 00:23:38.995 --> 00:23:40.695 And he's outta there. 574 00:23:41.115 --> 00:23:43.335 Um, and you know, 575 00:23:43.525 --> 00:23:48.095 Kyle came on just in 2024 and he's already out of there. 576 00:23:48.835 --> 00:23:53.655 Um, and I don't know, it's, it's a, it's an interesting one 577 00:23:53.655 --> 00:23:58.415 because, you know, we've talked about it a lot on the show. 578 00:23:58.645 --> 00:24:01.935 It's, it's really hard to find people in, 579 00:24:02.395 --> 00:24:06.055 in IndyCar in all positions, engineers, mechanics, whatever, 580 00:24:06.275 --> 00:24:07.455 all positions except drivers. 581 00:24:07.595 --> 00:24:10.135 It would seem and, um, excess of those. 582 00:24:11.395 --> 00:24:13.615 And, uh, so because of that, teams do a 583 00:24:14.335 --> 00:24:17.545 like really try hard, um, to keep their people. 584 00:24:17.685 --> 00:24:20.945 Now obviously, you know, people need to get let go or fired 585 00:24:20.945 --> 00:24:23.065 because of reasons X, Y, and Z. 586 00:24:23.065 --> 00:24:24.345 But, but that wasn't the case here. 587 00:24:24.345 --> 00:24:26.905 It was two people deciding that they wanted to change. 588 00:24:26.925 --> 00:24:29.545 And it's just, it's hard to find replacements 589 00:24:29.565 --> 00:24:32.185 for people like a Kyle Sagan or a Brian Barnhart. 590 00:24:32.285 --> 00:24:33.865 Um, so I don't know. 591 00:24:34.025 --> 00:24:36.505 I I just find it, uh, a little bit of a weird one. 592 00:24:36.565 --> 00:24:40.025 But also McLaren has the most depth in terms of personnel. 593 00:24:40.025 --> 00:24:41.465 So if any team can afford 594 00:24:41.465 --> 00:24:43.145 to lose people, it's gonna be them. 595 00:24:43.205 --> 00:24:45.665 And it seems like RL L's picking up a lot of people too. 596 00:24:46.205 --> 00:24:48.345 It seems like they're adding to the roster. 597 00:24:48.735 --> 00:24:49.945 Yeah, that's and that's true. 598 00:24:49.965 --> 00:24:52.905 Um, you know, testing guys like Mick Schumacher, 599 00:24:53.045 --> 00:24:54.145 it seems like they're trying to make 600 00:24:54.185 --> 00:24:56.665 a, a big run for things. Yep. Um, 601 00:24:57.325 --> 00:25:00.785 The other news was, uh, Olivier Boon 602 00:25:01.325 --> 00:25:04.625 who was Marcus's engineer, um, 603 00:25:04.765 --> 00:25:06.585 and Roma's engineer at Andretti, 604 00:25:06.585 --> 00:25:10.625 basically the 28 car engineer for the past four years, um, 605 00:25:11.405 --> 00:25:15.065 has left and gone to McLaren, um, to, to be in charge 606 00:25:15.065 --> 00:25:18.705 of their damper program to, to create a damper program, 607 00:25:19.145 --> 00:25:21.305 I think, uh, which is scary 608 00:25:21.775 --> 00:25:24.945 because McLaren does a lot of very good things 609 00:25:25.085 --> 00:25:29.025 and gets a lot of very good results being pretty far 610 00:25:29.025 --> 00:25:31.745 behind on the damper program compared to other teams. 611 00:25:32.085 --> 00:25:34.025 Mm-hmm . And so now if he's able 612 00:25:34.025 --> 00:25:37.265 to impart some good andretti knowledge, uh, 613 00:25:37.645 --> 00:25:39.225 in this off season, that's gonna be, 614 00:25:40.415 --> 00:25:42.625 it's gonna be tough for everyone. But, uh, yeah, man, 615 00:25:42.625 --> 00:25:44.745 If McLaren started doing really well on street courses now 616 00:25:44.745 --> 00:25:48.345 because they've got the, the trick damper program, Uh, 617 00:25:48.345 --> 00:25:51.025 that Andretti's had, that's, that's not good for everybody, 618 00:25:51.645 --> 00:25:53.225 um, except McLaren. 619 00:25:53.605 --> 00:25:56.065 Um, and on the Andretti side, they announced 620 00:25:56.065 --> 00:25:57.345 that they resigned Kyle Kirkwood. 621 00:25:57.505 --> 00:25:58.865 I don't think any big surprise there. 622 00:25:59.245 --> 00:26:01.825 Uh, young man's been doing a great job team wants 623 00:26:01.845 --> 00:26:03.385 to make sure he's there for the long term. 624 00:26:03.565 --> 00:26:06.265 So congrats Kyle on the New Deal. Multi-year. 625 00:26:06.265 --> 00:26:08.625 Obviously there's no details about this, that or the other, 626 00:26:08.645 --> 00:26:11.825 but, um, not a super shocking one. 627 00:26:12.725 --> 00:26:16.345 Uh, yeah, I think that's kind of IndyCar news. 628 00:26:17.165 --> 00:26:19.825 So let's we go to nascar. Congrats Kyle Larson. 629 00:26:19.975 --> 00:26:21.265 Kyle Larson won the championship. 630 00:26:22.655 --> 00:26:24.625 Kyle Larson did not lead a single lap at Phoenix. 631 00:26:25.765 --> 00:26:30.395 Denny Hamlin won or led over 200, was cruising 632 00:26:30.395 --> 00:26:31.835 to victory in both the race 633 00:26:32.135 --> 00:26:35.555 and the title battle until a caution was three 634 00:26:35.555 --> 00:26:39.035 to go forced in overtime pit stops happened. 635 00:26:39.785 --> 00:26:41.675 Danny's crew chief made a call for four, 636 00:26:42.055 --> 00:26:44.915 or sorry, the 11 team made a call for four. 637 00:26:45.055 --> 00:26:46.675 The five team made a call for two. 638 00:26:47.225 --> 00:26:49.795 That track position gave Larson the advantage. 639 00:26:50.395 --> 00:26:51.515 I think he finished third in the race, 640 00:26:51.545 --> 00:26:53.755 then he finished fifth in the race, restarting fifth 641 00:26:53.755 --> 00:26:56.195 and 10th and the championship. 642 00:26:57.455 --> 00:26:58.675 It has brought up many questions. 643 00:26:59.335 --> 00:27:03.925 It has been a interesting sort of four, 644 00:27:03.925 --> 00:27:05.285 eight hours in the NASCAR world. 645 00:27:05.285 --> 00:27:07.405 Really more than that because it sort 646 00:27:07.405 --> 00:27:08.685 of goes back to Saturday night's. 647 00:27:08.685 --> 00:27:11.805 Xfinity race, Connor Zi had, 648 00:27:12.595 --> 00:27:13.845 This is the bigger one for me. 649 00:27:14.345 --> 00:27:15.605 It well, it's it is, but it's 650 00:27:15.605 --> 00:27:16.685 it's the same conversation, right? 651 00:27:16.785 --> 00:27:18.805 So, so Connor zilch it isn't, it 652 00:27:18.805 --> 00:27:19.805 Isn't. 653 00:27:19.805 --> 00:27:20.325 But, but let's, let's get into 654 00:27:20.565 --> 00:27:21.565 It. 655 00:27:21.565 --> 00:27:25.605 Let's get into it. So Connor Zi had a, um, 656 00:27:26.555 --> 00:27:29.205 once in a lifetime, once like once in a sporting 657 00:27:29.995 --> 00:27:33.125 history season in Xfinity, won like 10 races, 658 00:27:33.305 --> 00:27:34.805 won everything dominated, 659 00:27:35.025 --> 00:27:37.085 Not, not only won 10 races 660 00:27:37.085 --> 00:27:40.045 and dominated, he led every single metric. 661 00:27:41.265 --> 00:27:43.605 Yes. Like highest starting position. Top top fives. Yeah. 662 00:27:43.915 --> 00:27:46.165 Highest average finish running position. 663 00:27:46.315 --> 00:27:48.885 Laps led everything, every single metric 664 00:27:48.885 --> 00:27:50.525 of the season it was him. Yeah. 665 00:27:50.975 --> 00:27:53.365 Right. So you go to this format 666 00:27:53.785 --> 00:27:55.845 and he's obviously in the championship four, 667 00:27:56.505 --> 00:27:59.325 and he just doesn't finish first of the guys 668 00:28:00.185 --> 00:28:04.405 and the, the dude that wins the championship, um, Jesse Love 669 00:28:05.065 --> 00:28:09.005 has had a fairly muted season enough obviously 670 00:28:09.005 --> 00:28:10.845 to get himself there, but in comparison to, 671 00:28:10.985 --> 00:28:13.485 to zic like nothing, it's very tough for people 672 00:28:13.485 --> 00:28:16.845 to wrap their heads around this to have a like hall 673 00:28:16.845 --> 00:28:18.085 of fame Xfinity season. 674 00:28:18.825 --> 00:28:21.725 And yet you can't say that you're an Xfinity champion, 675 00:28:22.435 --> 00:28:23.765 doesn't really seem right. 676 00:28:24.725 --> 00:28:27.005 I get that there is this whole 677 00:28:29.525 --> 00:28:30.855 concept of the playoffs 678 00:28:30.855 --> 00:28:32.895 of the underdog can still win, right? 679 00:28:34.435 --> 00:28:37.135 But is motorsports the same as stick 680 00:28:37.135 --> 00:28:38.615 and ball sports in that case? 681 00:28:39.845 --> 00:28:44.705 Is it a cool story that the little guy beat the big guy 682 00:28:45.325 --> 00:28:47.305 or is it a depressing story that the team 683 00:28:47.305 --> 00:28:50.385 and driver that performed absolutely top all season long 684 00:28:50.385 --> 00:28:53.665 consistently, maybe Phoenix just isn't their track. 685 00:28:54.125 --> 00:28:56.345 And this is what's always bugged me about this system 686 00:28:57.515 --> 00:28:59.135 is when it comes down to one race, 687 00:28:59.355 --> 00:29:00.535 if you're just really good at, 688 00:29:00.675 --> 00:29:03.775 and it's always at the same track, I just don't, 689 00:29:04.415 --> 00:29:05.815 I just don't think that's right in racing. 690 00:29:06.055 --> 00:29:07.375 I don't think that's right in motor sports. 691 00:29:08.195 --> 00:29:10.735 The, the thing about the cup deal, 692 00:29:11.435 --> 00:29:12.975 and I'm curious to your point, so 693 00:29:14.125 --> 00:29:16.935 Kyle Larson under the old point system would've been the 694 00:29:17.095 --> 00:29:19.275 champion, I believe is 695 00:29:19.275 --> 00:29:21.675 what I understood from all the people on Twitter, right? 696 00:29:21.695 --> 00:29:23.635 So they're like, so the right guy did win. 697 00:29:24.105 --> 00:29:28.315 It's like, well if your defense of the playoffs is that, 698 00:29:28.315 --> 00:29:31.235 well, the guy who would've won in the old system won anyway, 699 00:29:31.815 --> 00:29:34.395 but the guy who should have won based on the playoff 700 00:29:34.395 --> 00:29:35.635 system didn't win. 701 00:29:35.735 --> 00:29:38.755 But that's not true. I I, yeah. Okay. 702 00:29:38.825 --> 00:29:40.635 Fine Racing, it's not happens 703 00:29:40.655 --> 00:29:41.885 and there's green race 704 00:29:41.885 --> 00:29:43.165 checkers and that happens all the time. 705 00:29:43.305 --> 00:29:44.365 Racing is horrible. 706 00:29:44.865 --> 00:29:47.405 And Kyle didn't win the championship on a 707 00:29:47.405 --> 00:29:49.405 technicality for something. No. Like 708 00:29:49.745 --> 00:29:51.845 He made a good call, Kyle drove well, and 709 00:29:51.955 --> 00:29:55.365 Kyle, Kyle was leading the points. 710 00:29:56.595 --> 00:29:59.005 Kyle beat him in the race. 711 00:29:59.865 --> 00:30:01.165 You should not be a champion 712 00:30:01.165 --> 00:30:03.725 because you led 200 laps to the final race. 713 00:30:04.315 --> 00:30:07.525 Like I wanted Denny to win. Like I would that that's a cool 714 00:30:07.525 --> 00:30:08.525 Story. 715 00:30:08.525 --> 00:30:08.605 Yeah. Emotionally, I think 716 00:30:08.605 --> 00:30:10.005 a lot of people wanted Denny to win. And, 717 00:30:10.065 --> 00:30:12.405 And so for two and a half hours you're watching on TV 718 00:30:12.425 --> 00:30:14.525 and you're like, oh my God, he's finally gonna do it. 719 00:30:14.675 --> 00:30:17.565 This is amazing. And then he doesn't, 720 00:30:18.265 --> 00:30:20.445 so the default is the playoff system sucks. 721 00:30:20.505 --> 00:30:23.605 And it's like, well no, because Denny wasn't the 722 00:30:23.605 --> 00:30:24.765 Kyle of the series. 723 00:30:25.215 --> 00:30:28.605 Denny, Denny wasn't ahead in the points on the old system. 724 00:30:28.775 --> 00:30:30.365 Denny was like seventh, right? 725 00:30:30.625 --> 00:30:32.165 So he was only in that position 726 00:30:32.515 --> 00:30:34.765 because he was good through the playoffs. 727 00:30:35.505 --> 00:30:38.885 And so had it worked out, a lot of people would've been, 728 00:30:39.325 --> 00:30:40.645 I think excited for Denny 729 00:30:40.645 --> 00:30:42.405 because he would've been the people's champion. 730 00:30:42.505 --> 00:30:45.325 And he's been so good for so long and so good at Daytona 731 00:30:45.425 --> 00:30:48.725 and has, has everything on his resume except a championship. 732 00:30:48.745 --> 00:30:50.405 So people would've been pumped, right? 733 00:30:51.945 --> 00:30:54.005 But that's not the right guy winning. Yeah, no, 734 00:30:54.005 --> 00:30:55.005 I, you're right. 735 00:30:55.005 --> 00:30:56.565 I i I don't actually disagree with that part. 736 00:30:56.885 --> 00:30:58.765 I think he, there was definitely an emotional element 737 00:30:58.945 --> 00:31:01.885 for a lot of people because of Denny's story and, 738 00:31:01.985 --> 00:31:03.565 and everything for sure going into that race. 739 00:31:03.985 --> 00:31:06.605 But it's still, it still kind of begs the que so, okay, 740 00:31:06.605 --> 00:31:08.405 so let's say that caution doesn't come out. 741 00:31:08.735 --> 00:31:11.445 Denny does win, then all the Kyle Larson fans are like, 742 00:31:11.445 --> 00:31:13.005 well, Kyle would've won on normal points. 743 00:31:13.505 --> 00:31:14.645 The playoff system's dumb. 744 00:31:14.905 --> 00:31:17.005 The playoff system is really stupid. 745 00:31:17.905 --> 00:31:20.245 And so that is, that is the point that needs 746 00:31:20.245 --> 00:31:22.765 to be made regardless of who won a championship or not. 747 00:31:22.785 --> 00:31:24.965 And so this is it, right? This is kind of the, the, 748 00:31:25.345 --> 00:31:27.725 the question that I, I posed to people on Twitter. 749 00:31:27.845 --> 00:31:30.565 I did a poll and it was, you know, what is more important? 750 00:31:31.795 --> 00:31:35.185 Because we did not know who the champion was gonna be 751 00:31:35.185 --> 00:31:36.745 until the last corner of the last lap. 752 00:31:37.405 --> 00:31:40.705 In that sense, it created excitement, it created that, 753 00:31:40.815 --> 00:31:42.545 that game seven feeling, right? 754 00:31:42.915 --> 00:31:45.305 Where the, the next pitch could end. 755 00:31:45.305 --> 00:31:46.585 The game could end the series, right? 756 00:31:47.485 --> 00:31:49.505 The next corner could determine the champion. 757 00:31:50.285 --> 00:31:53.065 Is that what people want in Motors sports? 758 00:31:53.885 --> 00:31:56.505 Or do you want to reward the team 759 00:31:56.505 --> 00:31:59.865 and driver that performed the best over the course of the 760 00:31:59.865 --> 00:32:02.065 however many race season your season is? 761 00:32:03.205 --> 00:32:05.425 And if you look at the comments online, 762 00:32:05.855 --> 00:32:09.505 it's fairly overwhelming that while this attempt 763 00:32:09.685 --> 00:32:13.725 to keep it exciting down to the last race is good, 764 00:32:13.725 --> 00:32:17.445 in theory, most of the fans that replied to me, 765 00:32:17.725 --> 00:32:20.845 apparently Mark Martin had just done a similar uh, poll. 766 00:32:20.845 --> 00:32:22.125 Someone else had done it as well, 767 00:32:22.545 --> 00:32:25.165 and it was ni it was like 92 to 8%. 768 00:32:26.905 --> 00:32:31.225 Now, a few caveats in that one, most of my, the people 769 00:32:31.335 --> 00:32:33.025 that follow me on Twitter are race fans. 770 00:32:33.025 --> 00:32:34.185 They're diehard race fans 771 00:32:34.185 --> 00:32:36.065 and they're gonna default to the more pure 772 00:32:36.245 --> 00:32:37.345 way of going racing. 773 00:32:37.705 --> 00:32:40.645 I think that's a fair thing to, to kind of deduce 774 00:32:40.785 --> 00:32:42.565 for my fan base on Twitter. 775 00:32:44.345 --> 00:32:47.525 The other thing is, is we can't see the data in terms 776 00:32:47.625 --> 00:32:52.165 of the TV viewership, um, in in, in terms of, 777 00:32:52.405 --> 00:32:53.605 'cause I said, I said maybe this helps. 778 00:32:54.005 --> 00:32:55.445 'cause the whole point was this was supposed to help keep 779 00:32:55.445 --> 00:32:58.525 people interested into the late part of the season, 780 00:32:58.525 --> 00:33:00.045 especially during football, whatever, whatever. 781 00:33:00.045 --> 00:33:03.165 Mm-hmm . And everyone loved posting these things saying, 782 00:33:03.275 --> 00:33:04.405 look at the steady decline 783 00:33:04.405 --> 00:33:08.005 of overall viewership since the playoffs were introduced. 784 00:33:09.195 --> 00:33:12.165 Fine. You cannot know that 785 00:33:12.165 --> 00:33:14.125 that wouldn't have been even worse if 786 00:33:14.125 --> 00:33:15.445 there wasn't a playoffs system. Yeah. I 787 00:33:15.445 --> 00:33:18.245 Mean there's at the same time there's a steady increase of 788 00:33:18.765 --> 00:33:21.525 NFL viewership over those past six years since 789 00:33:21.525 --> 00:33:22.565 the playoffs have been introduced. 790 00:33:22.625 --> 00:33:24.285 So, so that it's fair, that's a 791 00:33:24.335 --> 00:33:25.605 right, that's a messy metric. 792 00:33:25.645 --> 00:33:28.085 I don't really, I don't really look into that one. Right. 793 00:33:28.705 --> 00:33:32.725 Um, maybe the series, the networks, whatever, 794 00:33:33.115 --> 00:33:35.685 have some information we don't that shows if we didn't have, 795 00:33:35.845 --> 00:33:39.165 'cause I'll be honest, man, I, I'm a very busy guy. 796 00:33:39.285 --> 00:33:41.245 I don't have time to watch 36 NASCAR races. 797 00:33:41.325 --> 00:33:43.285 I do love the sport, I respect everybody in it. 798 00:33:43.365 --> 00:33:44.645 I follow it as best I can, 799 00:33:45.425 --> 00:33:47.285 but I do make an effort to tune in 800 00:33:47.505 --> 00:33:51.125 or at least try to catch the end of elimination races 801 00:33:51.945 --> 00:33:53.285 and the final race. 802 00:33:54.585 --> 00:33:57.605 And if, if, if Larson had locked it up with three to go, 803 00:33:58.285 --> 00:33:59.885 I would've made no effort to watch Phoenix. 804 00:34:00.065 --> 00:34:02.395 That's true. Because, you know, 805 00:34:02.615 --> 00:34:05.595 I'm not a diehard single person guy that I'm, you know, 806 00:34:05.825 --> 00:34:07.155 rooting for week in and week out. 807 00:34:07.505 --> 00:34:09.435 Yeah. So does it work? 808 00:34:11.335 --> 00:34:12.505 Okay, interesting. 809 00:34:12.625 --> 00:34:14.785 'cause I'm, I'm the complete opposite, you know, 810 00:34:14.785 --> 00:34:16.865 we're both race fans, we are both 811 00:34:18.495 --> 00:34:20.145 fair weather NASCAR fans. 812 00:34:20.215 --> 00:34:24.185 Like, I'm gonna watch Daytona, I'm gonna watch Talladega, 813 00:34:24.205 --> 00:34:25.465 I'm gonna watch Bristol. Yeah. 814 00:34:25.635 --> 00:34:26.745 Gonna watch, I watch five to eight a year. 815 00:34:26.845 --> 00:34:30.105 Yes, exactly. I, 816 00:34:30.985 --> 00:34:33.185 I intentionally tune out during the playoffs. 817 00:34:34.045 --> 00:34:35.825 Um, not intentionally, 818 00:34:36.045 --> 00:34:38.945 but no, sorry, I subconsciously tune out during the playoffs 819 00:34:38.945 --> 00:34:41.105 because I don't like the gimmick. 820 00:34:41.515 --> 00:34:43.745 Right? Right. Is it entertaining? 821 00:34:44.015 --> 00:34:46.065 Sure, I can get entertainment this time 822 00:34:46.065 --> 00:34:48.545 of year from seemingly any sport now 823 00:34:48.545 --> 00:34:50.065 that I love baseball, right? . 824 00:34:51.085 --> 00:34:54.185 And so I don't need my motor sport to fulfill 825 00:34:54.215 --> 00:34:55.425 that adrenaline. 826 00:34:55.925 --> 00:34:58.585 What's gonna happen next, like this is fall. 827 00:34:58.765 --> 00:35:00.705 You've got football, you've got, 828 00:35:01.605 --> 00:35:03.305 you've got the NBA season starting, 829 00:35:03.445 --> 00:35:06.025 you've got the World Series, you've got plenty of things 830 00:35:06.325 --> 00:35:09.105 to keep you interested from that standpoint. 831 00:35:11.175 --> 00:35:13.235 Racing, and we've talked about this before 832 00:35:13.375 --> 00:35:16.115 and we don't, we don't need to get into the, the, the rhyme 833 00:35:16.115 --> 00:35:20.935 and reason why I don't believe it works, but, but stick 834 00:35:20.935 --> 00:35:24.845 and ball sports, you're, you're one-on-one essentially. 835 00:35:25.785 --> 00:35:29.785 So you have to have a playoff format because it doesn't work 836 00:35:29.785 --> 00:35:34.345 otherwise in racing, you're having to beat 27 to 40 people 837 00:35:34.875 --> 00:35:36.505 every single week and every time 838 00:35:36.505 --> 00:35:37.625 you show up at the racetrack. 839 00:35:38.125 --> 00:35:40.185 And that should be rewarded more than 840 00:35:40.185 --> 00:35:41.225 just beating another team. 841 00:35:41.725 --> 00:35:44.785 And it, it, it's not, it's not apples to apples. 842 00:35:44.855 --> 00:35:46.425 It's much harder to win a motor race 843 00:35:46.425 --> 00:35:47.465 than it's to win a football game. 844 00:35:47.605 --> 00:35:49.105 I'm sorry. It is. 845 00:35:49.725 --> 00:35:54.255 And so that, that 846 00:35:55.005 --> 00:35:58.335 performance from that entire organization throughout a 847 00:35:58.335 --> 00:36:01.725 season should not be undermined because of gimmicks. 848 00:36:01.725 --> 00:36:05.765 And, and that's just, that's my point on it. Um, yeah, so 849 00:36:06.395 --> 00:36:08.045 It's, there's a lot of, and again, 850 00:36:08.125 --> 00:36:09.125 I co I completely agree. 851 00:36:09.145 --> 00:36:11.205 I'm not a fan of the playoffs. I think the, the team 852 00:36:11.205 --> 00:36:13.285 that does the best over the season deserve the championship. 853 00:36:13.285 --> 00:36:15.285 Motorsports is different than those other sports. 854 00:36:16.065 --> 00:36:21.025 Um, one of the other things that was a, a common comment 855 00:36:21.365 --> 00:36:22.505 or common reply 856 00:36:23.045 --> 00:36:25.705 to your point was these quote unquote gimmicks that 857 00:36:26.365 --> 00:36:27.985 NASCAR have have added over the years. 858 00:36:28.835 --> 00:36:30.825 Stage racing green, white checkers, 859 00:36:30.855 --> 00:36:32.025 like over time, all that stuff. 860 00:36:33.005 --> 00:36:37.575 People don't even like those a lot more than I, I realized 861 00:36:38.095 --> 00:36:39.575 I didn't, I didn't understand, 862 00:36:40.175 --> 00:36:42.335 I don't think anyone like hated stage racing, right? 863 00:36:42.335 --> 00:36:44.095 Yeah. It's dumb. I didn't think anybody 864 00:36:44.115 --> 00:36:45.135 in the sport liked it. 865 00:36:45.255 --> 00:36:47.775 I didn't realize that that fans watching at home were quite 866 00:36:47.775 --> 00:36:48.895 as passionate about it. 867 00:36:49.705 --> 00:36:52.615 Green white checker. Again, I get the concept, 868 00:36:53.775 --> 00:36:55.495 I get the idea behind the concept 869 00:36:55.885 --> 00:36:59.415 because fans also do like to bitch when races end. Caution. 870 00:37:00.095 --> 00:37:01.615 I don't mind, I don't mind the overtime 871 00:37:01.615 --> 00:37:02.735 green, white checkered as much. 872 00:37:03.535 --> 00:37:05.215 I think you could have ended that sentence a little 873 00:37:05.215 --> 00:37:07.415 earlier there, James fans like that bitch, 874 00:37:07.705 --> 00:37:08.705 Right? 875 00:37:08.705 --> 00:37:10.255 That is true. And that's why, and that's 876 00:37:10.765 --> 00:37:11.765 Twitter race. 877 00:37:11.765 --> 00:37:13.575 That's not No, no, that's not, that's ev that's everything. 878 00:37:13.635 --> 00:37:15.855 All fans like to give their opinions on things 879 00:37:15.855 --> 00:37:17.855 that usually comes across as complaint. 880 00:37:18.685 --> 00:37:21.065 And so I think that, you know, NASCAR 881 00:37:21.205 --> 00:37:23.385 and any racer, any sport series, any, any, 882 00:37:23.565 --> 00:37:26.625 any league can't just, you know, listen to Twitter polls 883 00:37:26.625 --> 00:37:29.065 because again, people are emotional 884 00:37:29.085 --> 00:37:30.865 and not always rational in those moments. 885 00:37:31.445 --> 00:37:33.945 But I think it's time to take a little bit of a look at it 886 00:37:33.975 --> 00:37:37.585 because even though there's a good argument, you know, like 887 00:37:37.585 --> 00:37:40.385 that the right guy won the championship in cup this year, 888 00:37:40.855 --> 00:37:43.145 there's no doubt that the wrong guy won no 889 00:37:43.145 --> 00:37:44.305 offense to him at all. 890 00:37:44.655 --> 00:37:46.305 It's just like that was a generational 891 00:37:46.685 --> 00:37:47.865 season from Zillow, right? 892 00:37:47.865 --> 00:37:51.625 Like everybody gets that, um, that there's a tweak. 893 00:37:51.925 --> 00:37:54.385 So one of the proposed things is 894 00:37:54.625 --> 00:37:56.705 'cause if, if there is data that supports 895 00:37:56.735 --> 00:37:59.505 that playoffs keep ratings, you know, higher 896 00:38:00.135 --> 00:38:03.505 than without them into the fall, how do you feel? 897 00:38:03.665 --> 00:38:06.585 'cause I guess it used to just be the 10 race championship, 898 00:38:06.585 --> 00:38:09.455 essentially you'd get to the break point 899 00:38:10.075 --> 00:38:11.655 and then it was 10 races. 900 00:38:12.015 --> 00:38:13.175 I think this is like, when it first started, 901 00:38:13.235 --> 00:38:15.415 it was then just like a 10 race run to the finish 902 00:38:16.635 --> 00:38:18.455 and then people could still wrap that up 903 00:38:18.455 --> 00:38:20.215 with more than one race to go. 904 00:38:20.295 --> 00:38:21.455 I think Jimmy did that a couple times. 905 00:38:22.195 --> 00:38:24.015 Um, so one of the things 906 00:38:24.015 --> 00:38:25.895 that was proposed was still eliminations, 907 00:38:25.995 --> 00:38:30.385 but rather than going to a a final single race, 908 00:38:30.615 --> 00:38:31.825 it'd be like three three 909 00:38:31.925 --> 00:38:35.485 and then a four race run with, you know, 910 00:38:35.775 --> 00:38:36.925 eight cars or whatever. 911 00:38:37.345 --> 00:38:42.185 And best over those four is the champion, is that a, is 912 00:38:42.185 --> 00:38:44.505 that a compromise that you could get behind? 913 00:38:44.565 --> 00:38:46.225 Is that a happy medium? I don't know. 914 00:38:46.455 --> 00:38:49.425 Sure. Because I guess ultimately someone who sucked 915 00:38:50.085 --> 00:38:54.895 or was average, that's, that's unfair. 916 00:38:55.255 --> 00:38:57.135 I I'm not talking about Cup at this point. 917 00:38:57.315 --> 00:38:59.455 I'm, I'm switching back to the Xfinity thing. 918 00:38:59.815 --> 00:39:01.775 I don't think Jesse Love is even in the 919 00:39:01.775 --> 00:39:03.095 conversation at that point. 920 00:39:03.355 --> 00:39:08.295 So yes, I think I I could be on board with 921 00:39:08.295 --> 00:39:11.415 that, but also I just, I don't 922 00:39:14.595 --> 00:39:17.495 who, who decides if, if the majority 923 00:39:17.755 --> 00:39:21.575 of people's polls on the internet, which is not 924 00:39:22.655 --> 00:39:25.215 a huge sample size, but it's a big enough sample size 925 00:39:25.235 --> 00:39:27.215 to get an opinion if the majority 926 00:39:27.215 --> 00:39:28.735 of people are like, this all sucks. 927 00:39:29.845 --> 00:39:32.895 What is preventing NASCAR from just going back to 928 00:39:33.735 --> 00:39:35.185 just a traditional points coin 929 00:39:35.185 --> 00:39:36.665 system, I guess is my question. 930 00:39:36.735 --> 00:39:37.705 Like why does it need thing 931 00:39:37.705 --> 00:39:38.745 need to be compromised? Only thing, 932 00:39:38.855 --> 00:39:41.065 Only thing I can think is that they either have evidence 933 00:39:41.205 --> 00:39:42.505 or really strongly believe 934 00:39:42.615 --> 00:39:45.505 that the ratings would be even worse without it now. Yeah. 935 00:39:45.505 --> 00:39:47.305 I mean, race series do know all 936 00:39:51.015 --> 00:39:52.225 Traditionally speaking. 937 00:39:52.525 --> 00:39:56.265 Mm-hmm. The, the thing that I think is 938 00:39:57.185 --> 00:40:00.605 almost overlooked in, in the whole thing is the, 939 00:40:00.705 --> 00:40:01.965 the bigger problem to me, 940 00:40:02.145 --> 00:40:04.405 and this is not a a NASCAR problem, 941 00:40:04.595 --> 00:40:07.005 this is a every bracing series, 942 00:40:07.185 --> 00:40:11.805 but Formula one problem is the drivers aren't stars. 943 00:40:13.665 --> 00:40:15.885 Not the way they used to be. And 944 00:40:16.605 --> 00:40:18.605 I mean, Ryan, What draws popular? Ryan Sweeney 945 00:40:18.605 --> 00:40:19.605 There. 946 00:40:20.445 --> 00:40:22.215 He he did that. Mm-hmm 947 00:40:22.435 --> 00:40:23.435 That's impressive. 948 00:40:24.195 --> 00:40:26.295 That's impressive. Most people don't 949 00:40:26.295 --> 00:40:27.375 know who Ryan Blaney is. 950 00:40:27.565 --> 00:40:28.855 Yeah, it's City 951 00:40:28.855 --> 00:40:30.135 Swee does. City Sweeney. Yeah. 952 00:40:30.235 --> 00:40:33.615 Yes. That is cool. And Like more of the connection, 953 00:40:33.615 --> 00:40:36.935 They're the cross pollination of, of motorsports people 954 00:40:37.555 --> 00:40:39.735 pop culture is, is good. 955 00:40:40.635 --> 00:40:43.815 Um, they're not, they're, it's just not how it used to be. 956 00:40:44.035 --> 00:40:46.175 And, and I know that all this series know that 957 00:40:46.275 --> 00:40:48.855 and I know that all the series are trying to, you know, 958 00:40:48.855 --> 00:40:50.735 all their marketing efforts are going towards it, 959 00:40:50.755 --> 00:40:52.375 but it's, they gotta think outside the box. 960 00:40:52.375 --> 00:40:54.375 They gotta do something different 'cause it's not working. 961 00:40:54.515 --> 00:40:56.655 And if you make people care about the drivers, 962 00:40:57.125 --> 00:41:00.015 they will tune in regardless of the time of year, regardless 963 00:41:00.035 --> 00:41:01.575 of whether there's a championship on the line or not, 964 00:41:01.755 --> 00:41:03.015 or someone's gonna get eliminated. 965 00:41:03.205 --> 00:41:05.655 It's about making these guy stars. Right. 966 00:41:05.825 --> 00:41:07.015 Great point. James F1 967 00:41:07.015 --> 00:41:08.255 Is objectively boring. 968 00:41:09.355 --> 00:41:12.775 The Poles sitter has won 70% of the races this year 969 00:41:14.685 --> 00:41:18.515 and it continues to grow because people are Leno nor fans 970 00:41:18.535 --> 00:41:20.755 or their max for Tapin fans or the Oscar Pache fans 971 00:41:20.755 --> 00:41:23.075 or the Louis Hamilton fans or their Charlotte la CLA fans 972 00:41:23.095 --> 00:41:24.475 or they George Russell fans. 973 00:41:24.855 --> 00:41:27.835 Or it's really cool to watch an F1 race 974 00:41:29.525 --> 00:41:30.525 In person. 975 00:41:30.925 --> 00:41:32.425 No, on television. 976 00:41:32.765 --> 00:41:36.815 It looks so good and I will die on that hill. 977 00:41:37.555 --> 00:41:41.055 Can you mean you have that on visually? It looks incredible. 978 00:41:42.355 --> 00:41:44.615 It is. It is something that you turn it on 979 00:41:44.615 --> 00:41:45.855 and whether you're paying attention 980 00:41:45.875 --> 00:41:47.415 or not, you can stare at it. 981 00:41:48.325 --> 00:41:50.525 It's like the masters at Augusta, 982 00:41:50.915 --> 00:41:52.765 it's the most boring thing on earth, 983 00:41:53.385 --> 00:41:54.925 but you are looking at the visuals 984 00:41:55.145 --> 00:41:57.005 and you just, you can stare at it for an hour 985 00:41:57.005 --> 00:41:58.165 and a half because it's like that. 986 00:41:58.165 --> 00:41:59.845 This is, this is great. You saying 987 00:42:00.245 --> 00:42:01.245 Relaxing. 988 00:42:01.245 --> 00:42:03.405 The tracks look good, everything's like painted well, 989 00:42:03.425 --> 00:42:04.645 the banners are everything. 990 00:42:04.955 --> 00:42:06.165 Like well put together the 991 00:42:06.165 --> 00:42:09.805 Quality of the cameras, like it's all like super high hd. 992 00:42:09.875 --> 00:42:12.685 Like it's just, it's pretty to look at 993 00:42:12.825 --> 00:42:14.125 and I think that goes a long way. 994 00:42:14.305 --> 00:42:16.165 So yeah, for you it's not even that. 995 00:42:16.165 --> 00:42:19.125 Like the cars are spectacular to watch around a track. 996 00:42:19.155 --> 00:42:22.285 They are, but it, that's not, that's not the differentiator. 997 00:42:23.555 --> 00:42:25.605 It's the quality of the, of the places. 998 00:42:26.105 --> 00:42:29.005 It is how they make it look visually 999 00:42:30.065 --> 00:42:32.725 and every event looks like an event. 1000 00:42:33.505 --> 00:42:35.565 Alex's thumbs up, tell me that he agrees. 1001 00:42:35.985 --> 00:42:37.805 Um, yeah, it's interesting. 1002 00:42:37.965 --> 00:42:41.125 I, I don't, this conversation's come up a bunch in the last 1003 00:42:41.125 --> 00:42:42.845 however many years since the playoffs started. 1004 00:42:43.305 --> 00:42:44.805 It does seem to be louder this year. 1005 00:42:45.145 --> 00:42:47.645 And I do think more of that honestly is 1006 00:42:47.645 --> 00:42:49.605 because of what happened in Xfinity than Cup. 1007 00:42:50.145 --> 00:42:52.795 But the whole thing is being highlighted 1008 00:42:52.975 --> 00:42:54.675 and it'll be very interesting to see if it leads 1009 00:42:54.675 --> 00:42:55.835 to discussions in the off season 1010 00:42:55.975 --> 00:42:57.235 and any changes for next year. 1011 00:42:57.665 --> 00:43:01.835 That said, uh, cup is done, which now means we are down 1012 00:43:01.835 --> 00:43:03.555 to solely Formula one in terms of, 1013 00:43:03.815 --> 00:43:05.315 uh, the racing that we cover. 1014 00:43:05.875 --> 00:43:07.115 I head to Brazil tomorrow. 1015 00:43:08.135 --> 00:43:10.235 Um, what do you got? What do you got on this weekend, 1016 00:43:10.825 --> 00:43:11.825 Boys? 1017 00:43:11.825 --> 00:43:13.115 Max, max by a million. 1018 00:43:13.775 --> 00:43:16.075 I'm going to Phoenix do some tire testing, 1019 00:43:16.205 --> 00:43:18.795 which is gonna be wild to do tire testing right 1020 00:43:18.795 --> 00:43:21.315 after 75,000 laps run there over the weekend. 1021 00:43:21.455 --> 00:43:24.395 Really weird time to choose to go tire testing. 1022 00:43:24.745 --> 00:43:26.035 Good point, but good point. 1023 00:43:26.545 --> 00:43:28.915 I'll let you know how it goes next week. Can't 1024 00:43:28.915 --> 00:43:29.915 Wait. 1025 00:43:29.915 --> 00:43:31.835 Can't wait. Tim, what are you up to this weekend? Got 1026 00:43:31.835 --> 00:43:32.835 A parent, Suay. 1027 00:43:35.675 --> 00:43:36.675 Okay, 1028 00:43:39.825 --> 00:43:40.825 See you next week guys. 1029 00:43:42.315 --> 00:43:43.885 This has been off track with Hinch 1030 00:43:43.885 --> 00:43:45.405 and Rossi Off Track is part 1031 00:43:45.405 --> 00:43:47.725 of the SiriusXM Sports Podcast network. 1032 00:43:48.145 --> 00:43:49.325 If you enjoyed this episode 1033 00:43:49.325 --> 00:43:51.525 and want to hear more, please give a five star 1034 00:43:51.525 --> 00:43:52.565 rating and leave a review. 1035 00:43:53.205 --> 00:43:55.405 Subscribe today wherever you stream your podcasts. 1036 00:43:55.585 --> 00:43:58.205 We are at Ask Offtrack on Twitter and Instagram. 1037 00:43:58.385 --> 00:44:01.045 And if you wanna follow us on Twitter, we're at Hinch Town 1038 00:44:01.045 --> 00:44:02.445 and at Alexander Rossi. 1039 00:44:02.825 --> 00:44:04.285 If you wanna follow them though, 1040 00:44:04.305 --> 00:44:05.965 we have no idea why you would. 1041 00:44:06.395 --> 00:44:08.685 He's at the Tim Durham on Twitter. 1042 00:44:09.275 --> 00:44:11.245 Find us on YouTube and subscribe to our channel 1043 00:44:11.265 --> 00:44:12.445 for exclusive video content. 1044 00:44:12.945 --> 00:44:15.925 Off Track is produced by Tim Durham, and by that we mean fi.